Principal At Minor Hill
The principal at Minor Hill school was bound over to the Grand Jury to consider an indictment. Her innocence or guilt can not be determined by this blog but the matter of whether she should continue in her position until this matter is resolved is open for discussion.
Some questions that you the readers can give feedback for are; should she have been put on administrative leave when charges were filed and should she now be on administrative leave while the matter is before the grand jury? Should she be on unpaid leave until the matter is resolved with money restored if she is found not guilty? Allen Barrett
Some questions that you the readers can give feedback for are; should she have been put on administrative leave when charges were filed and should she now be on administrative leave while the matter is before the grand jury? Should she be on unpaid leave until the matter is resolved with money restored if she is found not guilty? Allen Barrett
posted by Allen Barrett | 2:57 PM
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No. That would be months of paid leave before it gets heard in court.
A couple weeks ago I attended a work session. One of the items put on a "to do" list for Mr. Jackson was to resolve (or find a solution for) this "problem". I thought this would be discussed tonight at the school board meeting. Nope, not a word. If a teacher is accused of laying hands on a student in this manner, they would be fired before any charges were brought forth. Why is the principal still at work?????
It is a violation of the the schools board's OWN policy to place any employee on paid leave. I believe the wording is, "under no circumstances....." If Ms S is suspended, it must be unpaid. However is she prevails, she will receive back pay for months that she did not work....
The entire Giles Co School Board policy is online, at least for now. Go to the School's Home page, click on school services, and it should be there....After the board meeting tonight, though, wouldn't surprise me if it was removed, could be already.....
I was also at the board meeting on the 12th. Word on the street was the Director's evaluation was going to be detailed and tj was going to be held accountable for the 'things' he has NOT completed on the 'chart' made by board members at the board worksession. None of the above happened! Am I surprised? NO! It seems the board does not have the moxie to get their 'one employee' in line. It seems all people on the street hear from the board is 'give us time, it will happen.' THE TIME HAS COME FOR LESS TALK AND MORE ACTION! Allen Barrett spoke, in the TWO minutes alloted to him. He asked a few GOOD questions and then asked about the NEW letter tj sent to Bridgett Weisser with a follow up by the 'Complaint Manager' to her case. This is going to come as a surprise to all, but according to tj and the Complaint Manager, 'case closed.' tj said the board agrees with him. I have gone to every board meeting and worksession since November...must have missed the vote, motion, discussion whatever the board does to 'solve' violated board policies and violations of the teacher's contract.
Karen Moore also addressed the board, in the TWO minutes alloted to her. She spoke of her concerns to NOTHING being done about the negative emails sent by the Director of Leaps, which included her name. She spoke of NO FACTS just accusations! She spoke of the unfairness to her as a professional. She got the 'deer in the headlight', empty brain stare from the board and tj.
8:39 Hope you have 6 months to a year to follow this issue. Remember, the elephant moves VERY slowly!
While this may not be directly related to the situation concerning the Minor Hill principal it is indirectly related as it speaks to the matter of inaction on the part of the Director.
A letter dated 11 Feb 2009 from Mr. Jackson to Mrs Weisser was questioned during the School Board meeting. Attached to this letter was one to Mr. Jackson and signed by Yvonne Brown Complaint Manager. This statement appears in the letter from Mrs. Brown, "It appears to me that the issue has already been resolved. I will be happy to continue to aide Mrs. Weisser in finding closure upon your request".
Mr. Jackson begins his letter by writing, "The purpose of this correspondence is to share a copy of Mrs. Brown's report and to suggest that you put this issue behind you. the Board has listened patiently on three occasions as you have detailed your disagreement". Also in the statement from Mr. Jackson is this paragraph, "I have reason to believe that the majority, if not all, individual board members consider this issue closed and not proper for consideration or comment at any place on any agenda in the future. I believe that it is in the best interest of all concerned that this matter remain closed".
In my humble estimation this is a very demeaning, threatening letter filled with outright untruths.
The matter, based on conversations with board members, is not closed.
This is a clear matter of intimidation coupled with an indecisive, misguided approach to cover up the entire matter. It serves no good and indeed is a disservice to these teachers and the citizens of this county.
A full and complete hearing by an impartial group of citizens or teachers should be held immediately and this matter put to rest openly and completely. What should have been settled in a matter of minutes with openness has become a drain on the system, individuals and the community because of the desire to cover it up. The Director has clearly lost much credibility in this matter and the principal at Southside has lost the ability to lead.
Allen Barrett
All should recall that the principal at southside (another lincoln county resident taking home one of our top salaries) was handpicked by debbie braden - 2nd in command under tee jackson ??? nuff said?
5:00 Actually, the principal at Southside was 'hand picked' by David Little, because she is WEAK and he could push her around. Remember, Little's wife wanted to teach 4th grade at Southside and run the school. Thus, a spineless principal was needed to 'head' the school by the name of Swinford. Braden was moved NOT BY CHOICE to GCHS by Little. She WANTED to remain at Southside and was disturbed by the move.
WAB If the school board is aware of the lies and threats tj has written to Mrs. Weisser in a letter dated Feb. 11, WHY DON'T THEY DO SOMETHING! Didn't they get a copy of the two letters? Aren't they the ONLY boss of tj? It is all over this blog that Mrs. Weisser has requested meetings and fair play since October 2008....let me see now it HAS been four months! Glad the board is not the local fire department, the whole town would have burned by now! How can Mrs. Weisser get a 'full complete hearing by a group of impartical citizens or teachers' to get 'this matter put to rest openly and immediately.'? The blog says she has spoken to every supervisor she has and to the board several times, for which tj has threatened her job and threatened her with the Tennessee State Board Association lawyer. The school board KNOWS the board policies and teacher's contract parts that relate to IMPROPER email and internet use, but CHOOSE to turn a deaf ear! It seems to me the board must be afraid of tj or just doesn't give a rat's a--.
WAB I know Mrs. Weisser very well and she is grateful for your CONTINUED concern. One has to wonder why TJ has tried so hard to quiet and cover up the email 'incident'? Look at how much $$ is 'left over' from the Leaps and Bounds budget and who 'might' benefit from the overage......
The cancer continues to flourish. The good people on the school board hesitate to do something bad to a bad situation.
It seems that doing good things for bad not only sustains the bad, it tells the bad there are no boundaries or penalties.
An old tale says eliminate the bad & the good will prevail and reward those who are good.
DUMP TJ!
Ms. Weisser messed in her own pants and then wanted someone else to clean it up. I suggest that it also be dropped and ended. She made this mess, wanted things her way and then cried when she "had her feelings hurt." SORRY!
To Thurs 8:29 PM--Did you just graduate from IAH University? Obviously, you don't know rules, laws or common sense.
8:59, Yes, you are right....Mrs. Weisser made this mess. She went through proper channels to report an offensive odor in a public school building; How irresponsible is that? Nobody, yet has given an explanation as to why Polly was so offended by that report that didn't concern her in the least, but she broke several board policies, violated GCEA contract, and possible broke the law by her reaction....How dare Mrs Weisser stir up trouble like this. Very impertinent to be offended if Polly makes false accusations. Mrs Weisser exhibits severe lack of judgement for taking a public stand for ethical treatment. Everybody knows that ethics is not at the top of the priority list in this situation and everybody knows that Polly has more rights and is more important than anybody else. Yeah,8:59, Mrs Weisser should back off; the last thing Southside needs is somebody with ethics.
8:59 So, Weisser 'cried when she 'had her feelings hurt.'
Dear 'SORRY!' Weisser has in her possession a taped meeting between Polly, TJ, Swinford and herself. Polly said on the tape, 'you hurt my feelings on my 30th birthday.' Weisser asked Polly, on tape, how old she is now. Polly said, on tape, '35'. Want proof, call Weisser up, she will let YOU hear the entire tape. Also, the 'infamous' and offending emails, drafted and sent by Polly, say 'I just feel picked on.' WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
OFCOURSE Polly, TJ and Swinford want 'it' dropped. So do a few others who have LIED. My guess is the TRUTH will be told! Those that have violated state law, board policy and the teacher's contract WILL be held accountable.
Word on the street is Polly has her hands full and the apple did not fall too far from the tree....
Weisser would rather 'mess in her pants' than swim in 'mess' everyday. There is an old saying, you reap what you sow.
8:59 Your entry just shows what a low life you are! People like you need to stay away from impressionable children. If you can't talk anything but trash, keep silent! Do us ALL a favor....
7:44--Calm down. You may blow a gasket. It does not mean that much. It will all come out in the wash.
Mr. Barrett, you of all people should realize that Stogner is innocent until proven guilty. If a student was doing what was told and refused to come with her she had no choice but to physically grab him and try and evict him from the stands. What happended was an accident. I would say the problem is that there were no police officers at the game. Do you think the right thing to do was just watch the students behavior. Have you heard her side of the story? It could be as different as your side of the story at the board meeting.
Exactly what did WAB say @ the board mtg that could be construed as only "his side of the story"? I was there and have not read anything he posted here that was an opinion; he only reported facts. There should be recordings of the minutes for anyone who really wants to know and not just whine. There is a vast difference between opinions and facts; facts do NOT have different "sides", they can be proven. Frequently WAB offers his opinion, and anyone is free to disagree, but I didn't read an opinion of the events of the meeting on this particular thread.
I say let's nominate WAB for a Purlitzer or a Nobel Prize. If that doesn't work, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, ABC or WKSR is in need of a blood hound reporter.
Why is it that ANY thread that has anything to do with our school system ends up being about B. Weisser? Was THIS thread not about what's going on in Minor Hill?
Because of the injustice that has been done to her. It kinda takes precedence at the moment due to inaction on the part of our director or school board members. Are you saying you don't care? Maybe if this was happening to you or your loved one the amount of concern would be more. I would certainly hope so.
After reading about this for MONTHS now,I would like to know.....What exactly is it Mrs. Weisser wants the board to do? Have the "facts" not been given to the board members at multiple meetings? Interviews been done? Just because the board did not answer in the matter the way that Mrs. Weisser would have liked,doesn't mean they didn't do their jobs. Only thing that hasn't been done is the "sit down meeting" she requested.Are all the employees @SSE going to be called in to give their take on this matter? What good would that do? The way I see it...Mrs. Weisser isn't going to "be happy" any way it is handled. As far as precedence goes...it is a personal thing. I bet Ms. Stogner feels the same way. We,as humans,tend to think that whatever is going on in our life at a given time takes "precedence" with everyone,but it DOESN'T.
I too, have been watching this situation for months, which in itself is a very telling statement,as it never should have gone on for months! I can make an educated guess as to what Mrs Weisser wants, probably what anybody else would want if lies were published and their good name was defamed....Mr Jackson claimed to have investigated, yet he never even spoke to the other teachers involved, that's gossip which only adds slander to the proven libel. Finally the other teacher came forward at the boe meeting with proof of the lies that were told. Apparently there are written policies, the boe's OWN policies which prove that the rumors are true. I looked them up online, you can't lie about co-workers on school email, you can't even say bad things about co-workers even if it's true on school email. I think Mrs Weisser wants the board to acknowledge the wrong, and at the very least take measures to prevent this happening again. I couldn't believe what I was reading, when I looked up the information. The school board is lucky that Mrs Weisser or the other teachers have not brought a lawsuit against them. Defamation of character is a very serious action and the consequences can and should be expensive for the ones committing such acts. After the board meeting, I went home and check to see if what Mrs Moore said was true about the violations; The board is blatantly ignoring this which is basically condoning the slanderous emails. Apparently this is not the first time these kinds of things have been allowed to happen. Maybe that's why it is dragging out. It's not a question of the board not agreeing with Mrs Weisser, it's a matter of them knowing policies were violated but showing preferential treatment. The question is why? Read the policies for yourself, then ask yourself if certain people are "above" the rules. But citizens of Giles CO already know the answer to that and school board employees are extremely well aware of that answer also. You know people, it really doesn't matter which side you are friends with...wrong is wrong and if my friend was doing something wrong, or illegal, or unethical, I would call them on it in a heartbeat....basically because in this world you do "reap what you sow", and I care enough about friends to try and stop them.
Character and integrity mean doing the right thing, even if nobody is watching. Again the only question is what should be done if ANY employee knowingly and flagrantly breaks board policy and thumbs their nose at professional ethical standards? I don't think anybody that can read, doubts that this happened, the question is what are or should be the consequences?
So getting on this blog and defaming/attacking a person and her family is more professionally ethical than doing it by email? The online policy 5.611 states..." The responsibility to make any criticism of other staff members or of the school system directly
to the particular school administrator who has the administrative responsibility for improving the
situation and then to the director of schools, if necessary." Guess the policy should include "then get on blog". I think bottom line is....if you don't like the people you work with asked to be moved to another school. It's a shame how SSE employee morale is so low because "some" are looking to see who is talking to whom" and guessing what about. In the end...has BW been wronged anymore than SP has on here? justa thought
Board policy cannot police the blog; Board policy specifically prohibits what was said on boe owned school email. Public blog-freedom of speech; School email-no expectation of privacy. Read the policies. Character assination not allowed so why won't the board act??
The online policy 5.611 states..." The responsibility to make any criticism of other staff members or of the school system directly
to the particular school administrator who has the administrative responsibility for improving the
situation and then to the director of schools, if necessary." This policy is NOT specific to email. There is a seperate email policy. Freedom of speech gives NO ONE the right to defame/attack a person's family ANYWHERE!In an email or on a blog. Do you not consider what has been said on this blog about Mrs. Polly "character assination"?? I do. Looks like the "pot calling the kettle black" to me. As far as the "infamous emails"...why have they never been posted on here? Everything else seems to have been. They can't defame or attack Mrs. Weisser's character anymore than what Mrs. Polly has been attacked. I still asked the question...where have professional ethics been practiced on the part of B. Weisser? OR does that apply only to everyone else?
To 12:07, 2:51, 7:57
Bridgett Weisser WANTS Sherry Polly to put FACTS behind the 'infamous' emails. SHOW HER THE FACTS!!!! NONE NOT EVEN ONE ACCUSATION HAS BEEN BACKED BY ONE TINY FACT!! Polly has whinned and cried for months, BUT NO FACTS! PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!! PROVE Weisser is a bully, harasser and trouble maker at SES! JUST PROVE IT! The trouble is Polly CAN'T! BECAUSE IT IS NOT TRUE!!
Ofcourse, SP can complain to the Director or Weisser's supervisor IF SP thinks Weisser has committed a 'wrong'. HOWEVER, POLLY WAS DUMB ENOUGH TO DO IT ON A PUBLIC MEDIA - SCHOOL EMAIL. THAT VIOLATES SCHOOL POLICY, TEACHER'S CONTRACT AND HELLO!!! STATE LAW!
As for the morale at SES. Take an anonymous teacher survey. The moale HAS been going down for eight, count them, EIGHT years. Let me see...how long has Swinford been principal. OH!! Eight years! Polly is NOT liked by the 4th OR 5th grade teachers at SES. THAT IS WHY SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO TEACH AT RICHLAND AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR IF THE LOTTERY GRANT HAD NOT GONE THROUGH.
Now let's talk about trashing someone's loved ones and family on the blog...guess you don't remember an entry or two by Anna Polly that TOTALLY trashed Weisser's personal, professional and religious life. Wonder how Weisser' 'loved ones' appreciated it. Umh...'the pot calling the kettle black??' This is what amazes me...this blog is anonymous if one so chooses...why are you accusing Weisser of 'trashing' Polly and family on this blog when YOU don't know who is making the entry?
'Just a thought' Polly DID the wrong and BW wants the BOE to follow policy...for once.
Weisser is not as innocent as some of you think. She has manipulated so many of the facts and "what was said and done" that it's not funny. She wanted her way and has publically said so. Promise. I don't work at SSE, but know as many others do.
The question still remains, though, why did sp go off on those 3 teachers in the first place? That's what the whole situation is about. Her accusations came out of nowhere, unprovoked. She will admit that...She simply fired off attacks one day after swinford asked her to make sure her employees in the after school program weren't violating state law. All principals in the county were asked to do the same and none of them took it personal and used public email to attack teachers.These teachers didn't even know polly was carrying a grudge against them, but never the less, the question is this and only this, why is polly allowed to us SCHOOL EMAIL to publicly attack and defame these teachers? The blog is a separate, possibly civil issue. gcboe's OWN policies were broken for reason's that nobody knows and the board does nothing....that's the only issue that involves my tax dollars....we cannot hold tee accountable for the blog people, get over it....but he CEO of the schools and presumably he CAN read his own policies....
9:58 'Promise' you can call Weisser at home and she will give you a copy of the 'infamous' emails. 'Promise'! YOU will be able to read them for YOURSELF and see who is trying to manipulate who. She won't mind me putting her phone number here, 468-2521. She has made the SAME offer A LONG time ago on another thread. So, far NO takers. It seems 'some' people make BIG claims which turn out to be BIG lies because they have NO PROOF of ANYTHING! Because Weisser and the other two teachers at SES HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG! Weisser WANTS the TRUTH told for a change and the policies, laws and contract honored. Yea, that's manipulation if I have ever seen it. Give her a call and let's see if YOU think what YOU read is 'not funny'.
If Weisser 'wanted her way and has publically said so' give the FACTS - where, when and to whom did Weisser say she wanted her way?
This seems to be the REAL problem with the entire Weisser/Polly 'situation' - Polly HAS made A LOT of accusations with NO - NOT ONE FACT! Put FACTS where YOUR lying mouth is, 'promise' YOU will make a fool of yourself. Gee, YOU have already done that by making the 9:58 entry.
5:09 You give tj and boe too much credit. Surely they can read, but must have major comprehension problems.....
Why has the Southside email "conspiracy" been such a lightning rod? Who is going to benefit from all this? Are the children being taught while bickering is so prevalent?
7:00 You must not work at SES or visit often, if at all. THERE IS NO 'BICKERING' AT SES, AS IT RELATES TO THE EMAIL 'CONSPIRACY'. I NEVER hear it brought up at SES and I work there EVERYDAY! Come visit and see for yourself if the children are being taught. (I'll admit, some teachers could do a better job of teaching and disciplining the students, but I am not the principal.) Let me see...Bridgett Weisser is the School Counselor, she is doing her job; Karen Moore is a Title 1 Reading teacher, students are coming to her reading class everyday on schedule; April Blade is the Gym teacher, yes the students are attending gym on schedule.
However, there seems to be some type of 'conspiracy' to brush ALL the wrong doing by Polly, Swinford, TJ and the BOE under the rug. Some type of 'conspiracy' trying to say the 'infamous' email incident has damaged the education of the children at SES. In reality the ONLY damage the 'infamous' emails have done IS to the three teachers Polly slandered and LIED about in the emails.
'Lightening rod'? Because ALL teachers who are TREATED UNFAIRLY BY OTHER EMPLOYEES,SUPERVISORS AND CUSTODIANS (isn't that funny) just may benefit from a person with GOOD character and SOUND ethics standing up and saying - NOT ME! YOU ARE NOT WALKING ALL OVER MY GOOD CHARACTER, REPUTATION AND MY CIVIL RIGHTS! POLLY, SWINFORD AND TJ NEED TO SHOW SOME ACTUAL FACTS TO PROVE THE ACCUSATIONS.
the condescending, dismissive, contemptuous, patronizing,insulting, verbal and non-verbal attitude and body language is what is shown EVERY day by the person who has been "so wronged" at SSE. This is attitude is also displayed in post 8:18. Example #1-(I'll admit, some teachers could do a better job of teaching and disciplining the students, but I am not the principal.) Example #2- Because ALL teachers who are TREATED UNFAIRLY BY OTHER EMPLOYEES,SUPERVISORS AND CUSTODIANS (isn't that funny) just may benefit ....No one "benefits" from this type attitude! Our "ethical and professional" guidance councelor needs to take a long,hard look in the mirror and ask herself if SHE might be the one that has the problem....not everyone else. There always is the option for her to give up her "smoke-smelling"office for greener pastures elsewhere. Any volunteers to help her pack?
Move her where? No one wants her at the other schools.
7:38 and 10:31 You are SO sure that 8:18 is Bridgett Weisser... how do you KNOW this 'FACT'! Or is it more of the same, gossip and accusations with NO FACTS! YOU seem to be GOOD at blaming Weisser for MANY 'things'. But, YOU FAIL when it comes to giving anyone FACTS! Move her?? (Like to Richland where Polly was going at the first of the year....because no grade level wanted to work with her at SES. Remember the posting of a 'made up' fourth grade position at Richland last Fall?) Move her So YOU can have FULL run of SES?? YOU and YOUR little group of merry-makers. Then maybe you can 'LEAP' into her position and her 'smoke smelling' office? "No one wants her at the other schools." Have you talked, I mean gossipped to everyone at every school? That is really 'professional and ethical'. Or is this more LIES from that big, loud mouth of yours. Let me see....'they' want stinky breath, smoke smelling, I don't do my job, gossiping, whinning, over perfumed, I can do as I want employees instead? Who smile and stab others in the back. Who make public accusations, whine and cry when others defend themselves aganist blaten LIES. Who care about themselves MORE than the education of the students. Who think 'they' are SO special EVERYONE MUST speak to them EVERYDAY or their 'feelings' are hurt. Maybe 'they' do.....
"Condesending, dismissive, contemptuous, partronizing, insulting, verval and non-verbal attitude and body language is what is shown EVERY day" Your mouth is so full of discriptive lies you are beginning to look like a squirrel with a mouth full of nuts. MORE accusations and NO FACTS AGAIN!...yep, just full of nuts. GOOD with the slander and lible, WEAK on the FACTS!...yep, just nuts! Put some FACTS with your usual LOUD mouth LIES...yep, just nuts!
"No one 'benefits' from" a few 'people' who 'think' they can control others with LIES and MANIPULATION. Can't say that I know who you are...as you 'think' you know who I am, but YOU need to START stating FACTS for a CHANGE...if you know any.
Come to SES and see for yourself - spend a week roaming the halls, talking to teachers and students, visiting classrooms and in general seeing for yourself what is 'going on' at SES. See who works and who doesn't. See who spends most of 'their' work time in the school office, on the cell phone, smoking, coming in late, visiting the principals office every morning, leaving their students alone in the classroom. Listen to the echos of some 'teachers' and 'employees' fussing at students everyday in the school halls. See if YOU can figure out who is REALLY educating children and WHO is NOT. It won't take a rocket scientist...
And know this, there are many employees, as I am one, who respect the honest and hard working job Bridgett Weisser has done and is doing at SES. Before you continue to trash Bridgett Weisser, you "need to take a hard long look in the mirror" and see if your 'life' and 'values' have shown a good example or caused 'others' close to you to make mistakes that will last a lifetime.
7:38 & 10:31 My child is gone from Southside Elementary School. She had Mrs. Weisser for Guidance class for all three years. My daughter always spoke well of Mrs. Weisser. She always enjoyed going to Guidance class. I think Mrs. Weisser was and is a benefit to the children at Southside. She helped my daughter through a tough time in her life. It saddens me that some people on this blog are saying such awful lies about such a fine person. What has been going on at Southside the last few years?
Weisser IS guilty, guilty of reporting the objectionable odor of smoke in the building to authorities. She never accused, or implied or suggested where the smoke odor came from. NOBODY did. The director of leaps apparently didn't appreciate that report, tho it is anybody's guess why the report bothered her. She then broke the boe's own policy by insulting teachers on school email. READ THE POLICY! It doesn't matter whether what she said is true or not, although she lied, the policy says you CANNOT insult personnel on school email. Pretty cut and dried to me. What is so hard to understand. The problem has arisen because of weisser's second "offense". She defended herself against the lies. The issue has never been about smoking, never! What is so complicated. Presumably the school board is literate, jackson is literate, leaps director is literate, swinford is literate, have they read the school board policy? Strictly PROHIBITED to insult, does not make allowances for truth or lies, even tho in this case it was a pack of lies which is where the LIBEL comes in. Read a dictionary folks. Not about smoking, it's about a direct blatant violation of gcboe policy, so does the director continue to brush aside the ironclad charges or does he grow a backbone and do his 90 k job? Again, regardless of how you feel about the people involved, facts are facts whether we like them or not. Just because you ignore the facts does not change the facts; Now if history repeats itself, when leaps director is backed into corner, new "exaggerations" of the truth will suddenly surface. I do wish those people who feel so strongly one way or the other about this situation would answer one question and one question only: What is so horrible and unethical about reporting an offensive odor in a public school bldg? Facts ONLY please. Remeber another post that revealed that leaps director was seeking to use this blog in court? I for one would like very much to assist her in that endeavor, as I have read both board policy and dictionary regarding definition of LIBEL. Let it be known Mrs Polly and I will gladly come forward and aid you in this particular matter.
Speaking of who is running the school. Anybody else realize that Bill Holt has become almost invisible at Pulaski Elementary School? Ann Oaks is running the school. Principal Holt now has opportunity to do other stuff.
MMMMM............What other "stuff" is Mr. Holt doing?
8:17 Let it be known to date NO ONE has EVER contacted Bridgett Weisser for a copy of the emails. It just PROVES those that KNOW the truth KNOW it and those that HAVE lied KNOW they are liars.
There is a saying...You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. One can streach the truth like a rubber band until is breaks. However, lipstick on a pig is still a pig.....
What is Mr. Holt up to??
There is a state law that says any e-mails on school/county computers fall under the open documents law and are available for the asking. You have to ask for a list that shows the section on e-mails, From: To: and Subject: If a communication heading interests you enough, the contect of the e-mail has to be supplied.
7:52 Unless you are tj or the gcboe.......
I think that someone has made a determined effort to divert this section of the blog away from Mrs. Stogner. Perhaps clouding the issue that was addressed by the orignial post, or diverting our attention from Mrs. Stogner. Please if you want to discuss the Polly Weiser conflict do so on that section of the blog and not here.
11:30 Are you smoking wacky weed?? Or still on 'diet' pills?? School trouble is school trouble....anyone can bring up school issues on any thread. I think YOU are afraid 'someone' might reveal the TRUTH about Polly and YOU are making 'a determined effort to divert' the TRUTH - AGAIN! YOU neglected to mention the post about Holt and PES. 'Perhaps' YOU are NOT worried about 'clouding the issue that was addressed by the oringinal post' as long as it is NOT about Polly and her web of lies. Interesting.........
Maybe there should be a new posting all to itself...Polly and her little group of merry makers take over southside.
Mrs. Weisser/or group seems to have more to say....why not give her/them a thread of her/their own. That way those of us that have grown TIRED of reading her or her little group of "merry makers" posts could choose NOT to look at that thread. There are other topics people are concerned about/interested in. The Bridgette Weisser sago should NOT be on EVERY thread. Am I the only one that feels this way?
4:40 YES! Maybe more ppl than you think are interested in the TRUTH about Weisser and Polly. Maybe more ppl want to know if the school board is going to do their job or do what they have always done....nothing. Maybe more ppl are fed up with a 'few special ppl' running the school system and a 'few good ppl' always getting skrewed! "The Bridgette (Bridgett) Weisser sago (saga) should Not be on EVERY thread"...my how you streach and twist reality to fit YOUR needs. If YOU and YOUR 'little band of merry makers' don't like reading the blog...STOP LOGGING ONTO THE BLOG! IDOT! Let me see....have you posted about the principal at Minor Hill on this site or are you just posting about Weisser??????
More later....be sure to log on....
My,my!Aren't you a vicious one when someone disagrees with you. What "needs" do you think I might have?I have no "band of merry makers".What makes you think I do? I,along with the other ppl who read this blog, have the right to read about a topic that has not been taken over by another subject. I simply followed your lead and made a suggestion (like you in your post 3:09)of a thread all of your own where you can use all caps and call people names.That seems to be your purpose.The highlight of your day. One would have thought that would make you happy.If people wish to read/comment on that thread it would be by choice.An answer to your question...yes,I have posted about the TOPIC of this thread. Thank you very much for being so concerned to comment. As for my being an idiot;you need to take a long,hard look in the mirror before calling people names. You have no clue as to who anyone on here is. Your "style" is very immature and childish. May I make the suggestion to you that the world does not rotate around you or BW,and ppl ARE tired of hearing/reading your spewings,hence the need for your own thread.
5:16 I for one am very interested in what is going on at southside. I agree with 3:09, if you don't like what is on the blog...stay off! As for the name calling, that is just a reality check for you. Webster's dictionary defines 'itiot' as: "a silly or foolish person" - not name calling...reality check. As for looking in the mirror, please don't try it yourself...you will crack it. You are right, I don't know who you are and you don't know who I am. However, "may I make a suggestion" you need to look up the definition of "vicious" (idiot) because again like 3:09 stated...you are streaching and twisting "reality to fit your needs". You have the "need" to control and 'appear' as the 'hurt' one. Idiot. You are right again...you "have no band of merry makers". Reality check...they are evil doers. (The mirror on the wall knows you and many others do too.) How can you know my "purpose" when you don't know me? Idiot. Reality check....for someone who does not want to read about "BW" on 'this' site, you are spending a lot of your time doing just that! Idiot. Also, you are "commenting" on the very thing you object to. "Your style is very immature and childish", also. Idiot. Finally, keep your "suggestion" about BW being slandered and libeled by SP to yourself. ppl do not want to read it on this site...idiot. I know this entry won't offend you because you won't log on to this site. You are tired of reading the truth, aren't you? Idiot. More later....can't wait to see if the "vicious", whiney, control seeking, truth twisting, evil doer practices what it preaches.....
I am the author of 11:30 Saturday.
I am a teacher in the Giles County School system. I am not involved in the dispute at Southside nor do I teach there. There is a section that deals with the Southside issue and I would appreciate being able to read this section with out reading about Southside's problems. You will find those posts under Monday December 15, 2008--If There's Smoke Does There Have To Be Fire? Which is farther down this list.
I don't mind you discussing this there. I will go there when I am interested in following the Weisser Polly Saga.
As far as what the school board or TJ will do unfortunately I expect that they will do nothing.
To paraphrase a quote from Mark Twain: God created idiots first and that worked so well that he then created schoolboard members.
Take that for what it maybe worth.
8:24 When will you learn that teachers in Giles County have no right to request anything. Be it lawful or not. Good quote by Mark Twain. Here's a little saying, 'All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.' I for one am sick of 'evil' and I don't plan to stand by and do nothing. "Take it for what it maybe worth."
11:10 You certainly have that right----teachers have no right to request anything. Legal or otherwise not even fair treatment.
Principals also have rules to follow. People don't like them if their child is one doing wrong.
If the principal is to strick some complain others complain if they aren't strick enoung, some complain both ways because they like to complain.
As for Minor Hill School principal, how much damage can a 90 pound woman do to a child? Was he a kindegarten student? Why wasn't his parents at the game seeing her child behaved?
The way the child was removed is the problem. While the principal was very angry she went into the stands and grabbed the kid by the coar and jerked him down out of the stands. Upon doing so he hit the rail and got a bruise. She then made him clean the gym when people were leaving and then when parents went to hear her side she yelled at them. She apologized later and said she had had a long day and was tired. Don't we all have those days sometimes? This isn't her first incident, but the first parents brave enough to stand up to her for what she has done to their child and others. The parents wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt but she went off on them and that is where she went wrong. They know their child can be a pill sometimes and that is why they went to her first. She screwed herself.
As has been stated this ain't her first rodeo. The difference this time is that the parents got a good first hand look at what "having a long hard day" results in. If the incident had been limited to the behavior with the child probably nothing else would have happened just like so many times in the past but this time the parents were too strong and too abused. This principal needs to be out of a job and I don't mean moved to the main office with a made up job. The school system is without leadership.
2:01 You are SO right! The school system IS withOUT leadership!
Mrs. Stogner does a good job at Minor Hill. It's easy for some of you to get on here a judge what happened or what should/should not have been done. She is the principal and in being so, CAN and SHOULD demand that students behave when inside the walls of her school building. Far too many times, people want rules. The rules are great as long as they don't apply to little bad Susie or Johnny. Rules are to be applied fairly to all and in this case, the child was supposed to be following the rules of a school function. She has needlessly been dragged off to court to defend what she should have done to the little brat. She did not intentionally strike the child nor harm the child. He hit his hand/arm as he was made to leave his seat and "show" as he was doing wrong. Do you want discipline in your schools or do you want chaos. It seems that too many people can't control their own children and they don't want anybody else to try and help either. You are damned if you do, damned if you don't. Let us not forget what happens in disruptinve schools. I fear for teachers and students if good leadership is not in our schools. Good job at Minor Hill Mrs. Stogner. Don't back off doing your job. That's what some people want. Stand tall and stand up to those who feel they can come into your school and try to run it.
...A concerned citizen for our public schools....
...A concerned citizen for our public schools....
AMEN!!
What is up with trouble at a lot of the schools? The blog talks about the principals at pulaski elementary, minor hill, southside elementary and elkton. Does anyone know any facts? I hear giles county schools and principals are nothing to be proud of. If the grand jury is looking into something, it must be awful.
Have you heard any of these reports about bad principals at these schools from parents who want their children to be taught respect and how to behave in a civilized manner.
The principal that I teach under here in Giles County is wonderful and in 95% or more of the cases of problems with children the parents back him.
But you better believe that those who don't are very vocal about what a horrible person he is.
You have to know the background on most cases and then consider the source of complaints and what motivates these parents to express their negative feelings.
Unfortunately we find it much easier to just accept the stories that we hear without trying to find out what happened and what motivated the parents to express their negative feelings.
But worse than that we are quick to pass on the bad things that we hear but we rarely pass on the good things that happen in our schools.
9:46--You are THE Teacher!!! I am proud to hear you standing up for your principal, whomever He is. I hope he supports you as you have done here. Great to hear the support.
This is not about whether a teacher or principal is liked or disliked, whether they enforce or ignore the rules, it's about the fact that whether she is innocent or guilty she is charged before the grand jury after having appeared before a judge who obviously found reason to send it forward instead of dismiss.
This is not a minor situation but one of major legal concern. What would happen if this principal were charged, regardless of true or false, but charged with another assault while in this situation? What responsibility does the school system bear in such a situation? Can the school afford an even higher insurance rate caused by yet another lawsuit.
Gone are the days when a child misbehaved at school he got carried behind the barn when he got home.
Teachers and princpals be careful. You have a hard job, I pray for you
If you don't work in a school, you have no idea what the personnel has to deal with on a daily basis. Before any of you become so judgmental, try asking a few principals, teachers, assistants, bus drivers and so on what some of the problems are every day.
Yes, pray for the teachers and principals, bus drivers and assistants and all the others in trenches everyday.
Howard, You are so concerned about lawsuits and insurance premiums. On any given day, some one tries to sue someone in the school system for whatever reason. It didn't have to be Mrs. Stogner, it could have been anyone in the system. People are so ready to take someone to court especially when they don't get what they want. It's not as much about the actions of school personnel as it is with those who sit in judgment and not know what the heck is going on in the school each day.
11:46 If the public 'knew' what IS 'going on in the school(s) each day', the courts would have to set up shop at EACH school. Try telling the truth....if you yourself have ever been in a Giles County school.
5:18-You have NO idea what you are talking about. Do you go to the schools on a regular basis?
yes
8:44 Tell us what is going on in the schools. Since you visit regularly, be specific as to what you see when you go into each school. We would all like to know.
To 7:39 - for some reason 8:44 answered "yes" to your question, not me (5:18) However, my answer is yes, also. (8:44 please do not answer for me. Or at least make it clear you are not me.)
The BEST way for 'concerned citizens' to KNOW what is going on in ANY of the schools in Giles County IS to make a POINT to visit regularly. Just walk in, sign in in the office and check things out. Listen to what is being said and look around to see what is going on.
Parents with 'concerns' should band together, pick a spokes person and share 'concerns' about the schools in Giles County. Then the spokes person should take the 'concerns' to the board of education regular meetings. (Every second Thursday of each month.) If for some 'strange' reason TJ won't allow your group on the agenda you can speak without being on the agenda at the end of the board meeting. Remember, the spokes person will only be given two minutes to speak, after he/she states name, address and purpose of addressing the board that actually equals ONE minute. So, you might need about three speakers. 7:39 hope you attend such a board meeting, you might become enlightened and realize I DO KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!
For those of you who are planning on visiting the schools don't just make it a walk through get involved. Our schools need members of the public to be there as volunteers to work one on one with students. Students who really need someone who has time to show interest and to care about them more than a teacher can manage to do with 15 to 24 students in their class. Remember that each student with special needs increases the class load equal to about 4 to 5 extra students.
Oh, I almost forgot, we can always use substitutes. Maybe you could help out there. The pay isn't anything to brag about but you can really get a feel for the teacher student relationships that exist in today's classrooms when you sub.
But if all you have time for is a short visit be sure to not only pay attention to the teachers behavior and what they are doing but pay attention to the students. Ask yourself is their behavior what you expected? Are they acting the way you would act as student? Is this the way you would have acted as a student?
Let us know what you experience. I'm interested to see what you really think about the situations when you have been where we walk every day.
To, 5:18, I am 8:44 and I do apologize. I simply answered a question and didn't identify that I was not the poster to whom the question was addressed. I am sorry for the confusion, and I didn't mean in anyway, to answer for you and mislead others in to thinking I was either you, or speaking on your behalf. Please accept my apologies.
I do visit the schools regularly. Good days and bad as with any workplace. Discipline is lacking except when teacher is frustrated and then screams and yells in a small child's face is one example. I have NO problem with firm discipline, however the most recent incident I witnessed was a blatant case of bullying. The teacher has obviously lost control to resort to screaming in the hallway for anyone to witness; that's a regular occurance at ses and the principal apparently agrees even while spending major $$$ on a behavior program that requires hours and hours of meetings with committee members during instructional time. At another school, the teachers apparently don't need a principal as he/she is seldom visible; still another school, the principal is much more concerned with "cosmetic" appearances than leadership (just so things look good on the surface, all is well)
I focused on the negative because, let's face it folks, that's all the gen public wants to hear, but there is lots a good going on in our schools, (be fair people, even GCHS and SES have a lot of positives even though their reputations aren't the "best".) We do need a newsletter of some sort to keep your average citizen "up to speed" on the school happenings of our county, after all the average citizen is footing the bill the the system's operations.
Beverly, as pres of school board has the authority to place anyone on agenda with or without tee's o.k.-------Anybody wonder why she professes to want to help people get things done, yet has NEVER exercised this powerful option? My gracious, just think of the conniption fit this would cause tj and kn; might be worth doing this just for that reason alone
You are right 1:19. I have attended many school board meetings since murrey has been on board. She has strong convictions about not giving jackson his way but the appearance of her actions are somewhat lack luster at times. On more than one occasion I have witnessed her have his back against the wall but back off. I was confused to say the least. Maybe there is something I am missing here but I thought that jackson was accountable to the board. He is their only employee. Pardon me if I misspeak but I feel there is more that can be done but isn't. I don't know if the reason is due to fear, intimidation or just plain ignorance. My suggestion is call murrey and ask her any questions you may have. She has been more than willing to answer my questions when I have spoken to her. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt for the moment but, my eyes are wide open to what is taking place inside our county school system and I won't have a problem questioning murrey or any of the board members about the responsibilities they share in keeping jackson honest and earning his pay. I suggest all citizens get involved and keep these board members on their toes. After all, it is our tax dollars at risk here.
Okay, judgments for all the schools are being made on a visit to SES and GCHS. It still is hard for me to believe that every school is so bad and has so many problems that all should be labeled after visiting only two schools. Visit ALL of them.
6:49 you should go and see for yourself. Why are you waiting for someone on this blog to convince you.Do you have children in the school system?
I do have children in the school system, but why should I go into a school that I don't know and become some kind of school inspection person just to spread some gossip on here? That's what's wrong now, too many people trying to run the school and have no idea what to do or how to do it.
10:16 that is how you get firsthand information. If it truth it is not gossip. That is what is wrong with this county. No one wants to get involved. Especially if it doesn't involve them. Sit back and let corruption and wrong doing run amok but don't you dare complain later. You are shallow in your thinking. Just whose responsibility is it if it isn't your and mine??? What are you so afraid of. Make it your business!!! Your thinking is turn a blind eye and let someone else take care of the problem. What an upstanding citizen you are!! NOT!
You just might see some good things going on in the schools and be able to report as an eye witness that the schools maybe better than the gossips make them out to be.
Think about it!!!!!
No deal. Not wanting to get involved with a bunch of whining and complainers trying to get something started. Thanks, but no thanks. Still not my business to go into schools and look for things.
You are a complete idiot or maybe a coward better suits you. Always put it on the backs of others to look out for your best interest. I don't see how you think it is not your business. You tax dollars fund the school system. That makes it your business in case you didn't know that. Surely, you did! Either way people like frighten me being so ignorant.
People like you being so ignorant frighten me. My mistake! Guess you will have fun with that error! But,we know what I meant.
Anybody who pays taxes SHOULD care about how their tax dollars are spent. They should attend county and city government meetings and visit schools, if there is an interest there. When you give your money to something and it is wrong, you are supporting that wrong. The sick your head in the sand approach just gets you and everyone else into trouble. If there is nothing to be ashamed of in the Giles County Schools, all schools should welcome visitors any day of the week. Then folks would go out on the streets and enter on the blog the good things they discovered. Try going to the board meeting the second Thursday in March at 5:00pm YOU just might get an eye opener.
12:25, your statement that "if it's truth,it's not gossip" is a false statement. Frequently gossip is the absolute truth, doesn't mean it should be discussed. (I know of a teacher whose apparently enjoys gossip very much and has humiliated his/her co-workers on many occasions by blurting out personal facts, that were in true, which is the definition of a fact) That being said, the person who objects to going into the schools because they don't want to be a part of the "gossip". I agree that way too many people would prefer to sit back and not be "part of the solution," which in my opinion makes them part of the problem. They don't want the responsibility of find out info 1st hand, but will sure be there to criticize others as being "negative" if they simply report what they know.
Anyone who has any question about how the board works needs to go on line to Tennessee Code Annotated and go under education. The state government has tied the school boards hands in so many ways. The board would love to find ways to get Jackson gone but TCA stops that. Just read all the sections. We need our right to vote for super.
Anyone who has any question about how the board works needs to go on line to Tennessee Code Annotated and go under education. The state government has tied the school boards hands in so many ways. The board would love to find ways to get Jackson gone but TCA stops that. Just read all the sections. We need our right to vote for super.
Heard Stogners husband jumped a school board members husband because board members have asked why she isn't on administrative leave. Why wasn't he in his office doing his water works job instead of harrassing husbands?
I have an idea. How about all of you folks who want to go into the schools start meeting at a school and see how far you get by examining the school during the day when students are there in the building. Do you think safety is not an issue to start letting people into a school building and giving the right of way up and down the hallways? I often hear parents who have issues with their childrens' friends. Let's get them into the building to have a scene with some of these children. But safety is not an issue. You would be the first to complain and ask for someone's head if a bad situation occured in a building when people were there to "look" around. As I have said before, unless you know how to deal with children in a school situation, DO NOT go into a school asking for a tour just to be nosy.
What are you trying to hide or who are you trying to protect 10:38am. You aren't logical. Our school belongs to the people and we have a right to know what is going on? As far problems that could develop with students...speaking of GCHS, no one could do more damage than Hastings. Sorry excuse for a principal! No one should listen to you. I recommend being nosey, nosey, nosey!!!
What has Hastings done to get you so stirred up? He is supposed to be a good principal I hear.
YOu heard wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I heard he has great experience and is a real leader in education. What does he not do? Doesn't he have a clear command of the school at GCHS? He supports the football program too and that's important.
He over supports the football program and watches the girl students very close and the female teachers even closer. Leadership has taken a backseat to everything else as he just can't say no to Jackson.
10:38 You MUST have something to hide or know of others who do!! The school buildings DO BELONG to the taxpayers AND citizens CAN meet in the school buildings if prearranged! Study the law - idiot (silly and foolish person). Give some of the citizens of Giles County credit for having social manners and good character. NOT everyone who visits the schools will get into a verbal/physical fight with students and teachers; like you think they will. MANY school days angry parents come to the schools with 'concerns'. How many have YOU heard of that resulted in verbal/physical fighting? How many time has the local law been called to the schools for these types of situations? I am an educator in Giles County AND I WELCOME concerned VISITORS TO TOUR the schools and REALLY see what is going on. At my school, you could cut the tension with a knife. (Just a saying - don't flip out on me.)
As for Hastings, right on! Sports has ALWAYS taken 1st place over academics in Giles County. Just look at Sam Davis Field....then look at the school buildings, oh me! I have also heard that BH has an eye for the female's and his eyes 'sparkle' around Jackson.
Decent folks in Giles County who REALLY care NEED to step forward and DEMAND change. As long as you sit on your butts, all you will get is wide butts and sorry schools. The teachers have NO voice with out you! PLEASE HELP!!
11:54
There is a bunch of people who are trying for CHANGE in Giles Co. Have you and your fellow teachers signed the peition for the County Charter. This is the first step of much needed all around change.
We don't need a County Charter. We need people with morals, ethics, good character and sound principals in the local government positions. All that takes if for good people to run for office and good people to vote for them. It is time for the good people of Giles County to step up to the plate.
If only there were "people with morals, ethics, good character and sound principals in the local government positions" I would agree that there is no need for a County Charter. Since we live in an imperfect world where many voters pay little attention to those running for office there must be some means by which people can have accountability from those who possess less than sterling character traits.
A County Charter is needed in Giles County so elected officials will be accountable and responsive to the citizens more than with just a mouth full of honey and a handful of gimme. Allen Barrett
Where can a County Charter petition be found?
Medley's and Galbraith's animal clinic each have one for now and other stores and businesses will have them soon also look for someone to knock on your door soon with the opportunity to discuss and give opportunity to stand for better more responsive government in Giles County. Allen Barrett
WAB even if we had commissioners with all the virtues you hope for we still need a County Charter. Its more than just a wake up call for the current commissioners.
And the person who wants to know where to sign the charter petition can get one off the charter webpage. Download it and mail it in to the address on the top of the petition. I did that and sent in 3 signatures I got from my friends. Just google Gileshomerule.com.
I can't believe any normal human being can take up for Stogner, especially if they know her. I would love to know what kind of power she has over T. Jackson. She is all about ruling anything and everything. She does not treat all kids equal. I do understand that are schools should have strict rules. Stogner goes way beyond that. She is a control freak. She does not care about those children, she only cares about running the show. Mr Jackson, you are allowing her to do so. Does she know something on you. No wonder her husband jumped all over someone. That is probably her rule. "do as i say". He has got to be so embarrased to be married to someone that tells him everything to do and when to do it. That is where she gets her happiness from, being able to control. She has a major problem and should have been gone way before she grabbed a child up like she did, just to prove she is in charge. T. Jackson you should be gone too. You should be glad that us tax payers don't get to vote for you. And as far as the a kissin teacher or Stogner herself that wrote about how much damage could a 90 lb heartless woman do to a child. You must not have children, nor an education. It doesn't matter about weight. Hello, lets talk about age. He is a child and she is supposed to be an adult. She's got her favorites, and she's got the one's that are less fortunate than her workers children or grandchildren or hair dressers children. She is a mental abuser just as much as a physical abuser, and everyone see's and know's this. I would like to see the rule where a parent has to go to a ball-game with her child. All that Stogner cares about is if he paid to get in or not. I guess he didn't purchase enough at the concession stand. I do know that T. Jackson will be held accountable if parent's start taking matters in their own hands, due to you not doing nothing about it. (She has probably had over 1000 complaints, but you'll never mention it will you T?) Stogner, you will not get me to call you address you as a Mrs or a principle. You do not deserve to be able to even step foot near a school, nor less any children. Go find a job that requires you to be able to boss little innocent babies. Us parent's or shall I say myself will always call my children my babies, no matter what their age is. What happened in your life so bad to make you be this evil? You are so unfair to those children and do things that could ruin their lives. Is that in your job description? All I have to say to end this is if your only back up is your 90 lb weight, take the time to eat more, and give the kids a break. You don't fool me, just confused about what you and T are scared of leaking out. Does it have anything to do with what you drink. Just a rumor I have heard over and over from many differen't parents. Oh yea, and your neighbors too. Now that's sad.
Who in their right mind would want to run for public office in this county and have to put up with the verble garbage they would have to take. Could this be the reason the most qulified people don't run for office?
9:56 One can be 'qualified' and gutless at the same time....we need folks who are caring, ethical, possess good character, high morals, are concerned and brave to 'clean up Dodge'. The varmet problem is getting out of control.....
9:03 All you and four of your friends have to do is go to the board of education meeting March 12th at 5:00pm and be the first five to request two minutes to speak at the end of the meeting. Do this for about three months and maybe the board of education will take your concerns seriously. As far as jacko and soggner....ever heard the word 'kickback'?? Can't say I know anything, but money talks....
Anyone know when this case goes to court?
No, but the board of education meets this Thursday at 5:00pm. If you are anything more than mouth, show up and watch the show for yourself.
This Wed. but she doen't have to show up. The grand jury w/o judge present decides her fate.
This Wed. but she doen't have to show up. The grand jury w/o judge present decides her fate.
Is that grand jury "trial" open to the public? If so, what time?
Someone tell us was the case dismissed.
Did the lean, mean, manipulating machine get off????? Pray for the children at Minor Hill.
i don't know anyone on here, if they have children, or the specifics in the stogner case, but if she asked the child to do something and they did not then BRAVO!!!! to her for jerking them up. if more people would spend time disciplining their children instead of defending them maybe this would'nt have happened. i believe that a measure of a persons skills at raising a child could be how theirs turned out. i went to school with her oldest and know her youngest. both have been stand up people. always acted very good. even when mommy and daddy weren't looking.
The problem wasn't so much that she jerked the child but that when confronted by the parents she went off on them in her usual way and that is what pushed the charges.
The grand jury determined that there wasn't enough evidence to send the charges forward so the whole thing is dropped unless the parents want to bring civil charges.
Let's hope that when there is a frivolous lawsuit filed by the parents, Mrs. Stogner will in turn sue them. A vicious cycle. Remember the folks that sued another school teacher for nothing but publicity and lost. Those folks got lost and filed for bankruptcy after they lost the counter suit.
9:35
Thanks for the update. Are you surprised by the grand jury decision? Predictable.
How dare you say Bravo to Stogner for jerking up a child. It doesn't have anything to do with the parents. I agree in some cases that parents are the reason their children act the way they do, but do you take that out on an innocent child because his parents didn't teach him any better? I think that maybe a nice sit down heart to heart talk to a child like that, showing a little love(in case he doesn't get it at home) would go alot further than grabbing him up and treating the child no better. Accually worse. I don't think people are even considering what some kids go through at home, or what kinds of problems they are having to deal with. Stogner doesn't even want to take the oppertunity to have a sit down in a nice voice and nurture a child. That's because she doesn't care. She only likes to show she's boss hog. I am not a teacher but I have enough commpassion and common sense to know that if a child is acting like that, there is definetely a reason behind it. There is pain and hurt somewhere in that childs heart. Stogner only added to it, and you give her a Bravo. Well too bad your too old to have children at "HER SCHOOL", because that's what it is. I would love it if you did that way when she jerked your child up and screamed and acted worse and more immature than the child did, then I can say Bravo Stogner for grabbing this ladys kid up like you did. Good Job. Don't you think she deserves a raise? Of course her children you see seem to be great. HELLO, they probably have to be perfect or they will get beaten, but Bravo to you stogner for your own children being scared of you. There are other ways to disipline a child that doesn't have anything to do with leaving marks on a childs body. You should be ashamed of yourself, for saying bravo to her. I will pray for minor hill children and your kids, or grandkids, whatever you may have, because you obviously take disipline a little too strict yourself. How many bruises have you left on your children lady? Get a heart. What is wrong with you mental, physical abusers. You both need some therapy. These troubled children have already had such a rough life, that maybe all they need is a little love, or someone to act like they care. BRAVO
this is for the person at 5:25. one i am not a woman, two her children never acted scared, three i am 27. i have a ten month old and hope she is there when he gets there. yeah my mom and dad whipped my butt when i needed it. most of the kids that i grew up with that didn't get it still need it. your not supposed to be their friend. duh your their parent. 20 or 0 years ago were there as much violence in the schools? as many school shootings? i don't think so. wonder why? maybe cause when a child did wrong they got whipped. not abused, but whipped. what do you do when they don't do what you asked? now little johnny i nicely asked you to get up, now will you please do it. please. come on give me a break.
this is for 5:25, also if the cild is acting up, is the child innocent? the only thing that i may not like about it is how she treated the parents, but i wasn't there and she might have had trouble with them in the past. it is nice to get on here and trash someone when no one knows who you are. lets see, you say i have no compassion or common sense, i should be ashamed of myself, and that i am a physical and mental abuser that needs some therapy. you showed that your a big person attacking someones character anonymously. you go. you showed me. good job. maybe you should come hold my hand and explain to me why i am wrong instead of mentally abusing me. i need a little love, if someone just cared about me, if you just cared about me, maybe i would be better. i almost can't see to type for all the years of mental and physical abuse coming back to me. wipe a tear. ok i'm better. now back to 20 or 30 years ago. half the school population wasn't on ADD or ADHD drugs. i wonder why. hmm, maybe because they knew if they disrupted class they were getting a whipping. maybe? i am sure your going to come back and call me crazy, or worse let the name calling continue (not begin because you already started), because after my parents abused me i can take yours. (wiped another tear)
Oh! I must have hit the right spot. Truth hurts you so bad that you probably couldn't sleep so you had to get back up and right me back your opinion. I hate it that I made you lose your precious little sleep, but sir: just to let you know I remain anonymous because I have children that attend "The Stogner Minor Hill School" and everyone knows she would take it out on my kids, and then I would have to take it out on her 90 pound a.. So why don't you give me your name Mr, especially since you are taking up for her and agree with her abuse? If I had something good to say about her, then I wouldn't care to leave my name, but you and I both know I have nothing good to say about her nor do I like her. Tell me your name basher. I agree with spanking just as you do and I agree with you on "A child should mind, not because they are terrified of you, but because they love and trust you. That goes along way in my book. So be the man you said you were and leave your name next time, because we both know your 10 mth old will be safe for at least 5 more years, and by then, Stogner would have already been dismissed for the alcohol smell just as principle Clark did. Everyone gets caught sooner or later. I'll leave my name when Stogner is gone or my kids get moved. Who doesn't remain anonymous, I mean even you who worship this woman is scared to leave your name, and you bash me for me protecting my kids.
one i didn't lose any sleep. i was up with my son at around 6:15 this morning. it seems funny to me that you also have to bash someone else. what does mr. clark have to do with it. was there any reason to bring him into it? i don't think so. he was always nice to me and my brother in school. and now you are going to take it out on mrs. stogners 90lb a**. dang what happened to your compassion? maybe she just wasn't loved or hugged enough? maybe next time you go to school you should walk up and give her a hug. you haven't hit a spot with me. i just thought you weren't making much sense and the way you worded it, you needed someone to be a smart a** with you. now why do you want to know my name? are you going to come to my house and take it out on my 300lb a**. i don't think so. the only reason that i remained anonymous is that it takes less time. if you really want to know my name i will give you my email address. just be willing to leave your name and number when you send it. also are you now callin me a basher. you act like you have a screw loose. you going to whip mrs stogner and you call me a basher. please. on second thought maybe i shouldn't give you anything. you kind of scare me.
It is always those people who post on here complaining of principals who try to do the right thing. When you don't get your way, you fuss about it. Mrs. Stogner is a good principal and a good person. If any of you are such a great principal, there is one open at Richland Elem. Go for it.
I will apologize for bringing Mr. Clark up. I was only trying to say that it has happened before. I believe he is a great person and wish I would have worded that different. Please anyone who read that comment understands that I did not mean that the way it sounded.
The ones applying for Richland Ele principal are...well...some are not all that they are cracked up to be, especially the one up the road
Please elaborate on applicants for Richland Principal job. Maybe I am just dense; I get the "leaping" metaphor, but not "the one up the road." It will become public knowledge soon enough as interviews must begin soon, and I for one am very interested in who has ambitions in that direction. The vast majority of Master's Degrees held by the teachers of our county are in Admin and Supervision, so almost anybody with a Master's is eligible to apply. If anyone knows, FOR A FACT, who is/has applied, please let the general public know. I really am interested in facts only, please; not at all interested in speculation or innuendo. Thanks!
Concerned citizen
For real, I heard VN will probably get it 'from up the road'.
For real, then RES will suffer. She ain't at all what she wants people to think she is..she looks out for number 1
wab.....March 3 at 6:08
I just read your March 3 post and must say that it was among your greatest of inflammatory deliveries.
You stated that "if only" there were people with morals, ethics, good character, and principles (not principals) in local county government. Guess what? There ARE those people! But of course you would judge them harshly because they do not think in step with you. That's just too bad! You see, that same old arrogance comes through again.
Let's take one of your favorites, Roger Reedy, for example. There are more morals and character in his little finger than you have in your entire body. And Mr. Reedy is a fine Christian man who would never ever be on a public blog calling anybody a name. You could take some lessons from him.
Sorry, but I read that post and knew that there was no way on God's green earth that I would refrain from calling your hand on those remarks.
To the 3 April 11:14 poster.
There's nothing like taking a statement out of context and putting your own spin on it. If you don't pay any income taxes you might be able to get a job with the obama administration.
I wrote, "If only there were "people with morals, ethics, good character and sound principals in the local government positions" I would agree that there is no need for a County Charter. Since we live in an imperfect world where many voters pay little attention to those running for office there must be some means by which people can have accountability from those who possess less than sterling character traits, in response to a specific question and used the quote from the question that had been stated. Should I have stated
"if only there were more" instead of "if only there were" at the beginning of that statement, probably but I felt with the continuing flow of that statement most would be able to read it not in a strict literal sense but as a summation of interpretive thoughts as to the need for a county charter so all elected officials would be more accountable and responsive to the citizens.
There are a number of elected officials whom I have a great deal of respect for, some I have had strong disagreements with in the political realm but have good friendly, respectful relationships with.
Your feeble attempt to attack me through Commissioner Reedy is both groundless and feeble. While I have disagreed with some of Mr. Reedy's decisions, I have also agreed with many of his decisions, you have never heard me refer to him in any manner other than with respect so stop trying to make something out of absolutely nothing.
Far from calling my hand on the statement you simply made yourself look petty, nonfactual and rather dishonest. Allen Barrett
wab
look, you DID say "if only" and proceeded to make reference to elected officials. Go back and read YOUR OWN post, for Pete's sakes! No, I didn't attack you; I defended those you attacked. A subtle difference, wouldn't you say? And finally, I resent your suggestion that I am dishonest. Why don't you pray for me? Right!
OK already, get back to principal position at RES. Who is it going to be? And is MH principal leaving?
It is Velina Newton..wonder how Ronda Woodword feels? She wanted job and knows that school better than the little tweat.
Does anyone know why Stogner had police at her school today. I heard she made fun of a child who can't afford alot of clothes and he got back in her face when she asked him about his clothes.
Your question was valid, 10:21. Your complete and total lack of genuine interest is made glaringly apparent by your next statement. You do not care why the police were called to a public school, which only the thought of that happening scares normal concerned citizens, considering school violence events of the past. People who really wanted to know would not have posted that sentence. And even if someone, much less a school principal did that to a child, why would you want to add fuel to the fire of that embarrased unfortunate child by broadcasting an event that must have been devastating to him/her? Minor Hill is way too small a community for everyone not to know about this event, if in fact it were true. My guess is there is not a bit of truth to it, and you wanted a dig at Stogner so you thought of something a young child might say and hinted that principal said it. If you REALLY wanted the facts, you would have asked the question and waited for a reply. Do you feel powerful now that you've started or at least continued to spread a nasty rumor? And by the way, concerned citizen that you are, if stogner did that to a child, who exactly would have called the police? Humiliating a child is not a crime, should be, but it isn't. You didn't fool anybody with your concern.
burned out
8:53 - I also wonder how all the applicants feel that applied for the asst. principal's job at RHS and then the central office decides to "reopen" it after the April 30th deadline did not produce the "applicant" THEY wanted. Another example of how this backwards county operates - it is a shame that decisions are made that are usually NOT in the best interest of the children.
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