RESOLUTION ASKING FOR ELECTION OF SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENTS
The Commission today passed a resolution to be sent to the State Legislature in support of counties being allowed the option of electing their school superintendent instead of appointed. Commissioner Reedy spoke against the resolution saying that appointed school superintendents are better because School Boards appoint superintendents on their qualifications instead of being elected on popularity. Commissioners Reedy and Lovell voted against the resolution while Commissioners Holt and Brown abstained.
posted by Allen Barrett | 10:01 PM
74 Comments:
Yeah right Mr. Reedy, it seems that the School Board did a bang up job with this one. I find it humorous that our elected officials think we are really that stupid.
And I'm afraid they do think the public is stupid. How often have Lovell and others made the statement "THE PUBLIC DIDNT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE VOTING FOR"? Then we have commissioner David Adam's rebutal that his constituents knew exactly what they were voting for and he's not about to tell them what Lovell and the other musketeers think. Thanks David Adams.
Then take musketeer No. 2's statement about school superintendents and their qualifications. If he would read the Bill going through the state he would know the Bill contains a list of strong qualifications a person had to meet before they could put their name in the pot to run.
Is it only me or are there others in Giles county who would love to see the three musketeers from Lynnville replaced?
The three have voted for everything Jackson puts in front of them! Lovell love the wheel tax. Keep him in & he'll have it to.
It is spelled too! The ones who know how to use proper english support the current method of selecting a superintendent.
9:11
Your use of the word English should have been a capital E.
9:11 I know how to use proper English and I DO NOT support appointed directors!! First the school board has to learn their own policies and what they mean. Then they can take on the task of picking a director.
Reedy if you take away the people's right to vote, you take away their freedom. Like telling them what they can and cannot do with their land. Like telling them the govenment wants their land for x amount of $$ and there is nothing they can do about it.
Lovell has a close relative now working at the board of education. Let me see, she is tj's new secretary.
11:02
What is the relationship between TJ's secretary and Lovell?
the indifinitive to, can can imply destination as in "to ... do as he pleases with it".
In the case of a board with a history of not knowing right from wrong, the use of two, too, to, or tutti, is really irrelevant. Is truth all that proper, to the hungry grasshopper?
The roundabout comment that we had a good audit falls into that category. By the stroke of a pen all was changed to be what it was supposed to be, because that which was supposed to be wasn't that which we'll see.
Thus, What would be fired is summarily admired. And blessed be the fool, who calls this cool..
Sounds to me like the appointment (election) of a school superintendent will become a popularity contest again. That scares me.
Guidelines and qualifications for those who can run for superintendent will limit the risk of education being harmed by your feared popularity contests.
The cream of the crop of persons wanting to be ridiculed by the public for their stances on education will be just as respected as those appointed.
Did Giles County have a supertindent that you thought wasn't good when they were voted on?
All I've known were better than the last two.
Be sure to call Eddie Bass and tell him to support the bill to have the opportunity to vote. Also go on line under state legislature and see who is on the education committee. Email them and let them know how you feel. The director has 7 bosses, elected has the whole county as a boss. Tee will be grandfathered in since his time isn't up until 2011. So sad. Someone said the vote had been taken by the state and senate, but it hasn't happened yet, so get in touch with the education committee.
One problem with appointed school directors is they are not really appointed by the school board. The state "education" committee sorts out those they "feel qualified" then sends the names of those who can be picked from. If you knew "D" and wanted him but was offered "A","B" and "C" guess who you are going to get, certainly not "D". Truth is an elected director takes away more power of the state to control local communities. Allen Barrett
The state does not have to look at anything. The board voted to let the state screen the applications for them, in fact they paid the state to do so. There is no reason that the board cannot screen the applications themselves. They have not done a good job of it. Little did not even have the correct license.
To 5:28:00 PM
What did you find wrong with the supertindent that was voted on and won?
Did someone win that you thought wasn't qualified or did you loose?
If it happened in 2010 that we could elect, T Jackson would have one year left which surely we could afford to buy out. If not, let his contract run out and it would be worth the $30,000 it costs to put on a special election for a replacement. Then again, wasn't the unlawful renewal of his contract what WAB was arrested over when he tried to protest the extension. Maybe that could be pursued.
Why do we think we have to buy Jackson out of the contract? He has violated his contract by lying to the public and falsifying financial documents! Those charges are easily documented. If he brings suit, the county can demand a jury trial. The sales tax numbers were falsified with knowledge! The paper has old news articles with false statements! FIRE HIM NOW!
Give all the information to the school board and substantial evidence and see what happens.
wab
Would you agree with me that the state education committee would have better insight into the professional qualities and experience of a candidate? Can you not see that one who is elected by a popularity vote might turn out to be the one least qualified and experienced? I think you would honestly have to anwer yes to both questions. I await your response.
I'm not WAB, but NO!!! You are WRONG!!! Remember the State OKed Little....what a joke!
I heard that tjs secretary is Lovell's sister-in-law.....
Take away the right to vote and take away our freedom. First our vote, then our land, then our right to protect ourselves, then our free speech, then our money, then our GOD and finally communism!
Think about it.....not too far fetched.
9:44 Right on!
Would you like to know how many of the *three) Adams, Lovell and Reedy ask the Property Assessor McGill for a favor? To look at their tax bill and get it lowered?
You could ask Mr. McGill are maybe better ask some of the women that have been there before McGill got elected, since the women always know what is going on anyway.
I would not ask anyone McGill has hired since he got elected, since he is afraid of Mrs. Vanzant and his job!
Considering the fact that Jackson does not actually put the figures on the budget documents you could nto charge him with falsifying anything. The bookkeepers put those figures in. He has nothing to do with the keying of those figures.
7:28:00 PM
You're saying Goodman, Holley, Abernathy and Collins won by popularity vote. How about telling me what was wrong with them.
Everybody that writes on here isn't WAB either. I don't know WAB and I bet a lot of others that write on here don't.
Maybe America needs to be under dictatorship we're to dumb to vote for the best person on anything.
Too dumb to vote on any issue either, according to Lovell.
632 Your response is pathetic . It isn't about who keys the numbers in! They are not the people who create the numbers to deceive the council and public.
It is about the one who sets the numbers (Jackson), falsifies & lies about them to the budget committee, the council, the local newspaper, and to anyoneone who will listen to him, very openly & publicly! In addition, Any management accountant (CPA or GASB cert., or otherwise), with knowledge would be breaching their duties & ethical responsibilities established by AICPA, GASB, CMA, etc. It is very, very obvious and simple beyond imagination to detect!
You don't need criminal prosecution to fire him! It's the school system! Do you not care who directs the education of your child & is the icon of intelligence & goodness for Giles County! He'd pass for a texas longhorn!
Get real!
7:48
I never said ONE WORD against Mr. Goodman, Mr. Abernathy, Mr. Collins or anyone else for that matter. Who said wab is the only one who writes on here? It wasn't me.
I tend to agree with you about an informed electorate. And YES, the state made a mistake in appointing Little, and the problem was rectified.
Can't you find anything positive to say about anyone?
To
Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:05:00 AM
I'm sorry my mistake... I thought you were the one wrote this......
Anonymous said...
Sounds to me like the appointment (election) of a school superintendent will become a popularity contest again. That scares me.
Wednesday, March 18, 2009 5:28:00 PM
It's hard to tell who writes what since we are all such cowards and want sign our name.
Ponder this. Who is practically the ONLY one on this blog who posts his name with his post? Hope you catch my drift.
Ponder this. You are the only one on this blog who always has something to say about him. Hope you catch my drift.
2:45 (aka 2:42 on another thread)
Wrong! I'm certainly not the ONLY one who has a problem with the exalted one. Again I ask....why is it that when someone like me points out what you guys are doing we are accused of supporting lawlessness or picking on a private citizen, and when you guys do the same thing, you say you are "exposing" corruption? Please tell me why. I always heard that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Would you agree with that?
5:19, I would agree that you again did not mention the issue of this thread
11:53 RIGHT ON!! I TELL my CPA what figures to put on my income tax form. If I LIE and GET caught, I PAY the price NOT the CPA!!
632 - you are trying to get the general public to believe more Giles County cr*p! Or YOU ARE just plain stupid!
But you apparently disagree that the double standard exists. That smacks of hypocrisy.
By the way, calling one's hand to calling people names and trying to harm them in a public way IS fodder for the grist mill. People should not be allowed to get away with that. Ponder this. When you or certain others call people names on this blog, are you not departiong from the topic of the thread as well? I believe you are.
So there you have it. You have (as I know you must) the last word.
Trying to have a logical dialogue with someone who primarily embraces only the illogical is incredibly frustrating. Why I even try to interest you in reality is beyond my understanding but I will try once again.
Have I called people names and been critical of some folks on this blog, yes I have been very specific but in every instance I have supported that claim with factual evidence. So when I called someone a liar, to me a very serious charge, I gave the reason for that then signed my name to it so if anyone wanted to challenge my comment they knew exactly who was responsible for it.
The problem I have with your posts is that you make all sorts of claims and call me and others names but offer nothing in support other than your feelings or the catch phrase "I'm not the only one who feels this way".
Unless you feel pain from smashing your thumb with a hammer your feelings are totally subjective and irrelevant. If you would simply give some support for your accusations you might find a more receptive audience.
If you want to criticize me that's fine, I read most all the post and deleted only those that used unacceptable words. I try to pay close attention to those things that are explained in hopes of making improvements but those things based solely on your feelings are totally of no concern to me. Allen Barrett
To:Thursday, March 19, 2009 9:48:00 PM
As for your last paragraph:
LOOK OUT!!!!! THERE'S A COMMIE CRAWLING UP BEHIND YOU!!!!!!
wab
There you go again attempting (in your infantile way) to talk down to me. That is called arrogance. Please look up the word in a dictionary. You said, "why I even attempt to interest you in reality" is another example of your smarter-than-thou opinion you have of yourself.
By the way, what names have I ever called you......even back when you were calling people anal buffoons and etc? And, lastly, you are very wrong about my feelings; they are most relevant to me!
GEE, what's wrong with 2:28 post? a. not on topic
b. attacks wab
c. can dish it out, but won't sign name---not a lot of credibility in anonymous, you could be man, woman child, vanzant, garner, lovell, or a 3rd grader
If you know so much, how bout identifying yourself and we can be enlightened by you...ya know you think wab is so bad, but at least we know who he is, we are free to agree/disagree/or ignore, not so with you....you refer to wab as the "great one" and other condescending terms, what shal we call you, the "anonymous great deflector"....what do you know about the HUNTER SMITH situation?
753 She found a new word - fodder. Wonder if mudder will be next. Then maybe reunion> She needs to loosen up her girdle & let the bust & hinnie disappear in the middle.
1:39 Watch out! Spreading the wealth might mean I get part of your plunder. Be careful you don't trip on the sneaky commies.....
5:20
Gee, but I noticed that you posted anonymously as well. And you criticize me for the same thing. Isn't that hypocritical? It is, but I'm sure you would never admit it.
By the way, my post to wab was directed at him and not to you. That is, unless you have become his spokesperson. I can't say spokesman, because I don't know your gender either. What a laugh!
Yes, I most certainly do admit it now and have many times in the past. Never have I defended an anonymous post that I made....it is cowardly. As for your comment being directed at wab, if you truly cared then you would have contacted him privately and not on a public blog....do you think the ones who care about the issues are impressed with your "wit" and "cleverness"? I am concerned about our superintendent situation and I am a coward therefore I will post anonymously.....thank you for again proving that you cannot make one single comment on one single issue without bringing the object of your obsession into it. I am a coward, yes and probably a hypocrite, what kind of honesty can we expect from you regarding your character? And do you have any opinions at at on the current issue, that do not involve a private citizen who has so much influence over you that you cannot even keep up with the topic???
Maybe I should sign this, the "puppet master"....Watch and see fellow bloggers, this is becoming quite a fun game.
puppetmaster
There you go with that "private citizen" thing again. Why is it NOT considered an attack on a private citizen when certain people get on this blog and call Mrs. Vanzant, Mr. Reedy, Mr. Jackson, Mr. Lovell, and select other officials all manner of names? Please tell me why that's not an atack?
Yes, I suppose you are right that there's a certain level of cowardice in me for not posting my name. However, I do have good reason not to do so, and I would guess that to be true for many of us.
I'll not even bother to defend myself against your assertions that I could care less about issues and about Giles County. You wouldn't believe me anyhow. I know where my heart is at, and I don't need to toot my own horn to feel good about who I am. So, I remain anonymous.
7:11 When you run for public office you are no longer a private citizen but are under the scrutiny public. Goes with the territory.
Wouldn't the same principle apply to those who choose to become ministers? They are held to a higher (but not double) standard. Would you agree with that? Just because someone runs for and is elected to a county office does NOT give private citizens the right to smear and attempt to humiliate them in a public way. I thought we had a judicial system and an electoral process to take care of undesirables in office? Isn't that right?
No, they would be corrupt as well.
Is everyone CORRUPT?
Yes, I think that's the implication. That is, everyone seems to be corrupt other than the ones who are making the accusations.
To the poster of the 26 March 3:14
entry who stated, "Wouldn't the same principle apply to those who choose to become ministers? They are held to a higher (but not double) standard. Would you agree with that? Just because someone runs for and is elected to a county office does NOT give private citizens the right to smear and attempt to humiliate them in a public way. I thought we had a judicial system and an electoral process to take care of undesirables in office? Isn't that right?"
This was posted in reply to another poster trying to explain that there is a difference between being a private citizen and an elected official.
How does a minister fall into the category of an elected official responsible to the citizens?
A minister is held to a higher standard in some areas but certainly does not answer to an electorate as does a county official.
While no one has the right to smear [slander] or humiliate another person we each have the responsibility to observe words and behavior and demand consistency in them. Humiliation is most often the results of ones own behavior not that of another.
As for you comment that "I thought we had a judicial system and an electoral process to take care of undesirables in office" is a very naive and incomplete expectation.
The judiciary is very often a part of the problem more than a solution. It's the political system that is setting the salaries of the judiciary. It is clearly a violation of state law to take money raised through the gasoline tax and designated for highways and move that money into the general fund but it is done without out a whimper from the judiciary. With the electoral process waiting until the next election before a person is made to be responsible or accountable is a very dangerous thing. It was neither the electoral process or the judiciary that removed Governor Blagojevich, would you suggest that he should have remained in office for another two years? Allen Barrett
wab - you hit it. Dumbo is probably related to blogo
wab - you hit it. Dumbo is probably related to blogo
wab..
NO, my statement that we have a judicial system and an electoral process that addresses your concerns is not naive, so please stop the condescension. And your question about the former Ohio governor is absurd. Look, those who are in charge of financial appropriations (e.g. transferring money from one fund to another) perhaps do so because of something as simple as meeting an unexpected need or expense. Just because they do that doesn't mean they are doing something shady and underhanded. Such paranoia and distrust! I am one of those "naive" people who does not look at everyone other than myself and a select few as being corrupt and dishonest. Neither do I think that the end always justifies the means.
I would think that a minister would try to look for the goodness in his fellow man rather than to constantly belittle and further alienate him. Would you agree with that?
Oh oh giddy up Silver & off with Tonto she go! Dumbor is halucinating again - too much glue or tangled up in the weeds & can't find her way out!
Unexpected need - "moe money!"
Anonymous you seem to just get dumber and dumber with every effort to justify the unjustifiable namely you. There is a difference between looking for the good in our fellow man and understanding that not all men have good intentions. Have you found any good in Stalin or Amin or Pot? You and Obama just can't seem to understand that there is evil in the world and some are possessed by it.
Howard maybe "anonymous" & and Obama DO understand there is evil in the world, because THEY are evil themselves.....
howard..
Are you really that stupid? You again, in a mad frenzy to defend your hero, issed a simple point. NOBODY said one must not consider the bad in mankind along with the good. Those were your words. I still say that a "minister" ( and I use that term loosely) should look for the good in man instead of constantly trying to belittle and smear him in a public way. Now if that is inconsistent with your perception of how a minister should conduct himself, then perhaps you need to grab a dictionary or Google it to get a better understanding.
By the way, your cheerleader who posted just below your ridiculous post suggests that I, like odrama, am an evil person. Let me paraphrase what was said. I am evil because I disagree with you. How about that?
539 Agreed, You're not evil because you disagree with howard! You're evil because you're evil - an absolute you'll never understand.
5:39 from the 'cheerleader' How about that? (posting of 8:54 :-))
A bill is coming up for the Director to be dismissed from his position if 10% of his system is not making the grade with no child left behind. Giles has 4 schools of targeted position. I don't think that qualifies Jackson thought.
8:54
Wrong yet again. The only absolutes I know of in this life are death and taxes. I'm neither of the two.
No, you call me names because I am at odds with your thinking; it has nothing to do with evil. Besides, whether I am or not is none of your business anyhow.
How about that?
4-1-6:15 By your logic regarding transfer of fund, it seems that if you were working and a fellow employee had a financial mishap {large medical bills.a large property damage} it would be alright to transfer your salary to them.
1044 Absolutely Stupid & Simple
9:55
That's because I am at odds with your thinking. Too bad!
955 no you're what the cryptic says you are
GCEA is a mess! It is difficult to believe, the majority of the membership would vote for NO pay raise in THREE years, but vote YES to a principal raise! Who is fooling who? Were the votes manipulated. It appears only a few are controling the 'show'! Time for a change.
636 you got it right - no sense in what is happening
I believe you are mistaken. The votes were absolutely NOT manipulated. Unfortuantely, and I truely mean unfortunately, the membership saw the writing on the wall. It became evident after going to the table 12 times and being told 12 times NO raise for the teachers that it was time to stop. The teachers were told if they wanted a raise they needed to show up at the negotiation meetings with the board. One meeting had 50 teachers in attendance, except we have 300 teachers who are members. The board saw that only a few were interested in a raise. Be ready the negotiation process will begin again immediately. So if you want a raise - show up - do something other than getting on this blog and insulting the people who are doing something. We do have all our insurance paid for again, we do have a very nice differentiated pay plan in place, we did increase the sick days we will be paid for at retirement. Lets work together to get the raise we deserve this year instead of what has happened recently and that is to GRIPE and INSULT eachother and gain NO new money. Gosh what could happen if we worked together, a power of 300 people coming to the board at each meeting. I would imagine they might just listen.
Some of us can't afford to go to board meetings because we have to work second jobs....I attended the nego sessions and board meetings; actually that's a false statement; there was never any negotiation about anything. It was all decided ahead of time. I suggest gcea sue the board for negoiating in bad faith. Shouldn't be too hard to prove. By the way, thanks to all you "supportive principals" who proudly proclaim to be a part of gcea also. Enjoy our dues in your new paychecks.
burned out
Sorry but you don't expect raises when people are being laid off. How many school employees were laid off? I have not heard the numbers but know it happened.
Yet gcea "negotiated" and got raises for principals; And I don't remember and of the rank and file agreeing to any of the negoiating items. Yes I do expect raises for my children's teachers. Alabama pays anywhere from 10-18 k more a year; Yes they have state income tax; NO, they do not have lottery; Now I know someone will get on here and say, "well why don't you just up and move to Alabama, then. Yep, that's the answer, wouldn't want to open up the possibility of actual progress in GC by attracting better teachers, which create better schools, which creates a better, more prosporous community, which attracts more industry. Here's an interesting observation citizens , you don't need a green card if you are from Alabama, it's still part of the country, like Pulaski and we are quite capable of attracting the industry that our "neighbors" do; However, as time goes on it becomes crystal clear that most Giles County citizens do NOT desire progress. "If it was good enough for my grandparents, parents, me, then it's good enough for my kid." You're probably right and they will end up with a "good enough" job; Nothing more, nothing less.
foreigner in town
OK, well if times are soooooooo hard, why did principals get a raise?????? Duh? Did any or all of the principals show up for the all important call to the negotiations meetings. NO! If the gcea membership is a handful of control freaks, ya 'they' knew what was going on....the 'real' membership did not have a clue. Maybe that is why membership is the lowest in years. Duh? What is 'the writing on the wall'? The 'writing' I see says; ALL FOR ONE AND NONE FOR ALL!
So, teachers without tenure are getting pink slips today. Isn't that great? Is the school board planning to break state law and put 40 kids in a classroom so they can save more money for phase 2 of the central office renovation plan. It's never about what is in the best interest for the children of this county, only what they can do for the central office personnel.
and the raises the supervisors can get for themselves or put in their pockets....same crap every year.
Bill coming up this coming Wednesday at state level. IF YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS you better be making you calls to the education committee at the state level. Go on line to Education Committee, Tn Gov.
here are email addresses for representives on education committee. please send asap.
they all begin with rep.then name@capitol.tn.gov
rep.terri.lynn.weaver@capitol.tn.gov
john.windle, larry.turner, joe.tuwns,joe.pitts, mark.maddox, ron.lollar, ulysses.jones, joey.hersley, mathew.hill, ryan.haynes, divid.hawk, beth.harwell, john.deberry, bill.dunn, barbara.cooper, tommie.brown, kevin.brooks, judy.barker, jim.corley(secretary), leslie.winningham(sponsor of the bill) and harry.brooks (chairman of the committee)
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