Why The County Legislative Body Is Not A Court and The County Executive Is Not A Judge
Recently there has been several questions about the County Legislative Body being a County Court and thus the County Executive a judge. I can understand a normal citizen possibly not knowing that this term was changed in 1978 but there can be no excuse for the County Executive, the county attorney and a number of Commissioners not being aware of such a change. Only a complete ignorance of the State Code Annotated by an elected official or practicing attorney would leave one unaware of as simple a matter as the proper name of the Legislative Body for which they work.
Tenn. Code Ann. § 5-5-101 (Copy w/ Cite)
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Tenn. Code Ann. § 5-5-101
TENNESSEE CODE ANNOTATED
© 2011 by The State of Tennessee
All rights reserved
*** CURRENT THROUGH THE 2010 REGULAR SESSION ***
Title 5 Counties
Chapter 5 County Legislative Bodies
Part 1 Substantive Provisions
Tenn. Code Ann. § 5-5-101 (2011)
5-5-101. Basic legislative unit -- Name changes.
(a) The county legislative body is established as a basic legislative unit of each county of this state; provided, that the provisions of this subsection (a) shall not apply to counties that have already adopted the metropolitan form of government.
(b) Effective September 1, 1978, except in any county organized under the consolidated government provisions of the Tenn. Const., art. XI, § 9, the quarterly county court, county council and any other forms of county legislative bodies are abolished and all legislative powers that remained with such court, council and other forms of legislative bodies are hereby vested in the county legislative body. The county legislative body is further vested with all legislative powers and duties vested in justices of the peace prior to May 11, 1978.
(c) References to the quarterly county court, county council or other county legislative body appearing elsewhere in this code shall be deemed references to the county legislative body.
(d) References to the magistrates, justices of the peace, members or membership of such court, council or body appearing elsewhere in this code shall be deemed references to the members of the county legislative body.
HISTORY: Code 1858, §§ 4179, 4180, 4186 (deriv. Acts 1794, ch. 1, § 44; 1835-1836, ch. 6, § 1; 1837-1838, ch. 135, § 1); Acts 1875, ch. 70, §§ 1-3; integrated in Shan., § 5992; Code 1932, § 10193; Acts 1967, ch. 235, § 1; T.C.A. § 5-528; Acts 1978, ch. 934, §§ 7, 9; 1979, ch. 69, § 1; T.C.A. (orig. ed.), § 5-501.
Tenn. Code Ann. § 5-5-101 (Copy w/ Cite)
Pages: 2
Tenn. Code Ann. § 5-5-101
TENNESSEE CODE ANNOTATED
© 2011 by The State of Tennessee
All rights reserved
*** CURRENT THROUGH THE 2010 REGULAR SESSION ***
Title 5 Counties
Chapter 5 County Legislative Bodies
Part 1 Substantive Provisions
Tenn. Code Ann. § 5-5-101 (2011)
5-5-101. Basic legislative unit -- Name changes.
(a) The county legislative body is established as a basic legislative unit of each county of this state; provided, that the provisions of this subsection (a) shall not apply to counties that have already adopted the metropolitan form of government.
(b) Effective September 1, 1978, except in any county organized under the consolidated government provisions of the Tenn. Const., art. XI, § 9, the quarterly county court, county council and any other forms of county legislative bodies are abolished and all legislative powers that remained with such court, council and other forms of legislative bodies are hereby vested in the county legislative body. The county legislative body is further vested with all legislative powers and duties vested in justices of the peace prior to May 11, 1978.
(c) References to the quarterly county court, county council or other county legislative body appearing elsewhere in this code shall be deemed references to the county legislative body.
(d) References to the magistrates, justices of the peace, members or membership of such court, council or body appearing elsewhere in this code shall be deemed references to the members of the county legislative body.
HISTORY: Code 1858, §§ 4179, 4180, 4186 (deriv. Acts 1794, ch. 1, § 44; 1835-1836, ch. 6, § 1; 1837-1838, ch. 135, § 1); Acts 1875, ch. 70, §§ 1-3; integrated in Shan., § 5992; Code 1932, § 10193; Acts 1967, ch. 235, § 1; T.C.A. § 5-528; Acts 1978, ch. 934, §§ 7, 9; 1979, ch. 69, § 1; T.C.A. (orig. ed.), § 5-501.
posted by Allen Barrett | 5:36 PM
229 Comments:
You have to understand that we are in power and we are a Court and the Executiove is a Judge. Like it or not, we are in power and yopu will have to get use to it.
6:37 that is a scary statement and if it did come from a member of our governing body then all citizens should fear the dictatorship that is running the county.
Re: the first post
Who is this "yopu"? Why must "yopu" get used to it?
The author of this comment is what is known as a troll:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
Please, everyone, do not feed the trolls.
Thank you.
Way to go WAB!
Why can't someone proved wrong graciously accept the fact and say a simple 'thanks for pointing out the correction'?
6:37 that is the words of a very scary person who has no respect for individual freedom or even the action of the state government. Your true colors are coming out very clearly.
Howard is right on. the writer of 6:37 is a very scary person from the dark side. Apparently a communist/democrat at heart.
It is sad that so many have died defending 6:37 right to say something so against the Constitution and everything they died to defend. sad very sad.
watcher
Please allow me to share a different perspective on what I consider scarry people. To me, they are those who, in spite of their best efforts, cannot get elected to positions of power and influence here in the county. Thank God for that. In addition, they are the ones who are constantly trying to belittle and intimidate others who hold positions they so desperately want. They seem to think themselves smarter than the "normal" citizen and yet, nobody but a handful of their proselytes is listening. I truly believe this little band of "abnormal" people lead by the chief troublemaker is much of what's wrong with our county. It embarrasses me when someone from outside Giles County makes mention of those who are always cry8ing and whining.
I was born and raised here in Giles County and the only thing I can say about the ranting and raving from 7:09 is "Wow, what a lunatic, psycho." And for all we know the person that made those hate filled remarks has a position in our government. Very nice. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
7:09 I agree with you. It embarrasses me when someone from outside Giles County makes mention of the discrimination of a black woman from being interviewed for a county job, of which she had more qualifications than the non-blacks that were called in to interview for the position. The quiet settlement out of court. It ran in the local paper and on the internet. Should the news stop so the outside world won't know what is going on with the bigoted leadership of the county?
Our Government officials need to read the Constitution and not just use it as toilet paper.
7:09 people like you scare me, even when wrong you will fight to the bitter end to spread hatred and protect those that wish us harm.
All our elected officials need to be more concerned about what they can do to improve our county, not blowing their own horns about their POSITIONS.
8:16
No, the lunatics are that small band of complainers and finger pointers who wish they could take over, but that's never going to happen. Why? Because they can't get elected. Those are the lunatics.
You can not fix stupid. Voters need to try harder the next election.
8:57 I guess it depends on your view of who is entitled to freedom. I don't see any one trying to over throw government but make them accountable to the citizens they elevate themselves above once elected. The select few that scream and whine when any one challenges their opinion is truly what is wrong with this county.
Can anyone but the enabler defend the ignorance and stupidity of a county executive who either is to dumb or stubborn to stop referring to the commission meetings as a court with her as a judge?
The point about the county attorney not knowing what the proper name is really is disturbing as she is being paid to know these things.
You know maybe Barret is smarter that those in charge, it's certain that he's more in tune with the people and the law than both the idiots who refuse to accept reality and continue to impose their stupidity on the people.
janice
Please allow me to address each of your statements.
First of all, there is no enabler. That is a lie that was started by one who ought to know that telling lies is wrong. And you bought into it, didn't you? I don't enable or promote any wrongdoings that I am aware of. I just disagree and point out misbehavior and troublemaking and thus the lie was told.
Next, I can't speak for the county attorney, but...have you ever made a mistake? Probably not, but most of us do from time to time.
Lastly, If he is so much smarter than those in charge then why isn't he holding an elected office? Do I need to answer that for you?
Your name-calling is so uncool.
10:26 so you admit you can be wrong but you cry and whine to the death you are no enabler of wrong doings. Maybe you are to ignorant to know how your defense of those who wish to strip away our rights while putting up a front that they are fair and listen to all citizens only enable the continuation of this bigoted thought process. It does not better Giles County.
And your posts are what I and most readers are judging you by.
When someone gets their toes stepped they sure get upset.
My thoughts on an enabler is when you stand up for someone that does something wrong. It could be Janet or Allen doesn't matter.
I have no idea who the enabler is and I only used the name to respond to a specific "anonymous" writer. If you are the enabler I now understand how you earned your name. I agree anyone and everyone has made mistakes but would you agree a person being paid a handsome salary to know the law should at least know the most fundamental aspect of whom they are working. It's unlikely the attorney for Ford would support the CEO referring to themselves as employees of General Motors.
Would you consider it a mistake when you deliberately continue to do the same thing after having been corrected on other occasions?
This is your statement but I wonder if you have considered how utterly ridiculous it is. "If he is so much smarter than those in charge then why isn't he holding an elected office? Do I need to answer that for you?" Well, yes I would like for you to answer that for me and at the same time help me understand
why Abe Lincoln lost so many elections, was he not smart? I believe Albert Einstein was a rather smart fellow but he was never elected to anything was he?
I guess that Donald Trump must not be very smart since he hasn't won any election? Dr. Charles Krauthammer must be rather stupid since he holds no elected office.
Is it possible that a person could be intelligent but not be elected to a public office? It seems to me with few exceptions politicians are not exceptionally intelligent but very good at telling people what they want to hear.
11:09 Go girl, you are so right.
janice
Yes, I am the one that lie was told on, and I have every right to defend myself from such maliciousness. Just because I stand against troublemaking does not mean that I would go along with something wrong. I believe troublemaking is wrong; are you thus enabling them?
Ok, let me enlighten you as to why allen barrett doesn't have nor will he ever hold an elected position in this county. In simplest terms, he can't get enough votes to win an election. Oh, and he is certainly no Abraham Lincoln or Albert Einstein. Those two individuals were indeed intelligent.
to 10:41
Exactly what rights are our officials trying to take away from you? If you are referring to those who would disrupt a county meeting, I think it a stretch.
1:22 why is it that when you name call, only bring opinion, agree with government dictatorship and suppression of citizens rights you are standing up to the trouble makers? Do you see that every one that is in difference to you is in the same belief as the founding fathers that we are to have a government of the people and for the people, for all citizens. The great thing about this Republic is the Constitution provides for every one to have equal protection of the rights outlined in the document.
Although 99 people may want to violate that 1 person's rights, the Constitution, the highest law in the land, in which no other laws are to supersede, protects that individuals rights.
If the elected officials do not listen to but a few citizens then they are only governing those few and are forsaking the rest. But from the first comment in this post I have to believe there are those in our local government out to benefit themselves, their friends and family. Put the tax payers money to our good use.
Next year at election time, citizens that believe government should listen to its citizens, go up to any elected official that was in the room or refused to allow Mr. Barrett to address the commission; ask them simply why? and then go back and watch the videos. Government had a chance to step up but chose to cower back for what ever reason?
And you go along with it so you are an enabler of wrong doing.
2:50
While you are busy name-calling and criticizing those who see things differently than you, might I suggest that you lay off the hate and envy kool aid?
No hate, stating the obvious.
No hate. Now I've heard everything.
It's proper to write "now I've read everything", but 3:37 are you for or against an individuals constitutional rights?
You all complain and whine. Our County Court has run this County for over 200 years and we will continue to do so. It has always been called the court and will always be called the court. That is our way. We are elected because we know what to do and how to do it. I am proud to be a member of this fine group and when I decide what is best it is with the knowledge I have been given by my father and his father. Giles County is not changing to allow you outsiders to walk in and try to take over. We won't allow it.
Time for things to change.
To 1:22 who asked, "Exactly what rights are our officials trying to take away from you?"
In order to help alleviate some of the problems caused by your ignorance of the U.S. Constitution I offer this piece of information from that great document:
Amendment I
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
You may have to get someone to help you understand it, I would suggest reading some of the Supreme Court decisions related to this issue.
You might even find that political speech is protected even when YOU don't agree with it.
To 4:20 It's not surprising that you would be so cowardly as to exclude your name from your post but I do applaud you for telling the truth about the attitude of some members of the County Legislative Body. Your stubborn adherence to the antiquated terminology is reflective of your backward attitude toward other people, progress in the county and the basic single active brain cell
struggling in your inebriated head.
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:48:00 PM
Professor, You are so right I did read "No hate" I didn't hear it.
I read a lot of hate on this blog, by the enabler and others.
If any of you go to the watch the video be sure to watch some of the commissioners video from other places.
Have to say it made me proud of Giles County Commissioners, the didn't cuss like some other places.
barrett
Why don't you cut out the smart aleck and condescending remarks? How can they be productive? You are not nearly so bright as you seem to think. By the way, what lofty degree do you hold from which prestigious university?
Let's see; you called me stubborn, backward, cowardly, and inebriated. Did I miss any? And you wonder why people find you so distasteful and arrogant? Shall I call you naive and narcissistic?
wab
Aren't those typical of the names you call people who disagree with you or who challenge your misbehavior? I think so.
4:20 Bingo! Hi Tommy Campbell.
Allow the people to have a vote on whether or not to increase taxes on we the taxpayer. Allow the people to have a say in nepotism in our county government. Allow the people of Giles Co. to have more say in decisions made. Allow the people to have a say in excessive spending. Allow for a persons to be able to speak at meetings. Allow for term limits on these self-centered commissioners. Vote for the Charter next year!
Personally I think Mr. Barrett has already won an election, if every thing had been conducted correctly.
You're right 9:22 and I'd say Barret hit the mule on the head in his reply to 4:20. You see Barret are no one else has to be very smart to be way ahead of 4:20 the enabler deadhead.
7:19 Don't you mean Terry Harwell.
11:40 You could be right. Posted by the woman in the yellow t-shirt maybe?
8:39
Term limits for commissioners? Isn't that a clever way to get those out of the way whom the malcontents can't defeat at the voting booth? What a laugh. And you think an employer should not have the right to hire whomever he/she pleases? People are allowed to speak at meetings if they are on the agenda and if they have followed proper procedure to get on the agenda. However, there is a vast difference between speaking at a meeting and in disrupting it. Would you want someone up speaking in your assembly if you were pretty sure that person was going to cause a disturbance? Of course not. People have just as much say in decisions made here as they do inother counties. What do you want the commission to do - call and ask your permission on things they were elected to do? You can't be serious. Finally, Giles County does not need a charter. Does it not concern you that charter rule is being pushed by a quarrelsome person who cannot himself get elected to anything? Think.
But isn't Ben Cunningham the one who is actually stirring this pot?
In other words, only people that agree with the commission can speak. The commission can try to convince themselves they have the powers to see in the future but it still boils down to the county government showing that they are so bigoted against what a person might say that they would ignore a formal request to speak of it's citizens.
And 6:30 if an elected official can not hold true to the oath each and every one takes, to protect each and every citizens constitutional rights, regardless of their fear of what that citizen may say, then that elected official needs to be removed from office. But the citizens of Giles County can no more expect that of their government as they have all shown they are too weak to uphold the oath they swore to when taking office. Back bone and the desire to do what right are to be desired for our elected officials.
7:03
The only 0one I know of that has created all this turmoil about not being allowed to "speak" at meetings is allen barrett. It's not a matter of fearing what a speaker might say; it's about not wanting a disrupted meeting by one who might not know when to sit down and be silent.
It is my firm belief that out elected officials have the integrity to do what they feel best for the county. Unfortunately, what they do is not in harmony with what a few whiners want them to do.
7:03
You can choose to buy into the hatred and envy if you wish. That's your choice.
6:22 Or orange t-shirt.
To 6:30 I don't know if you are kidding around with you statement or just that completely out of touch with what's going on.
A charter will do much more for the county than apply term limits to a few elected officials with huge families and access to comatose nursing home patients.
I certainly agree an employer should be able to hire the best qualified person or the dumbest on in the state for their own business but when city/county officials are using their offices to hire family and friends instead of following the law that's a different story.
You say, "People are allowed to speak at meetings if they are on the agenda and if they have followed proper procedure to get on the agenda."
You are just plain wrong. The only people who are allow to speak are those who are believed to hold the same views as the county executive. She controls the agenda and regardless of whether a person meets the requirements to be on the agenda or not she makes the decision. In my case I meet every requirement she had imposed yet she still made the arbitrary and vindictive decision to violate my Constitutional Rights and this time she used the county attorney as her stooge to justify it.
There has never been a time that I was allowed to speak that I did not adhere to the time limit and the only disruption that has ever occurred is the objection to my words. Based on your statement not only are you in favor of violating another person's civil and Constitutional rights you also see no problem with censorship of those who "MIGHT" be disruptive. Maybe you would like to see those who "MIGHT" commit a crime be locked up before it happens? Perhaps you would benefit from a few third grade classes on the Constitution.
You say, "People have just as much say in decisions made here as they do inother counties."
If that were true there would be meetings in the evenings as in other counties, there would be a set time, without preconditions, for any citizen to address officials just as in many other counties.
Because of the many violations of basic citizen rights and the secrecy and deceit that has taken place it makes the need for a Charter all the more clear. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect and equality by those who serve the citizens in their government.
wab
Not true. And accusing me of favoring the denial of a citizen's civil and constitutionasl rights is a lie. You know, disruptive students are sent to the alternative school until they can learn to play by the rules.
Your consdescension and arrogance are noted.
the enablers have spoken. If you disagree with the commission you are a disruptive child. How absurd. Those that make statements like that are the ones that spread hatred.
The only ones that caused this are the commissioners and the county executive. Three to five minutes of time to hear from a concerned citizen and none of these posts would be on the blog but also the citizens would not see the childish actions of our government.
But if we let Mr. Barrett talk he may say something disruptive. We can't have that. Sickening.
And then the next citizen comes along and properly requests to speak. Oh but we the commission can not allow that because we are God and puny citizens you our fodder.
12:52
Your post is a stretch and totally untrue. Every citizen is not disruptive and quarrelsome.
12:52 But you choose to pick and choose who is disruptive and as you say quarrelsome. It's easy to label any one that challenges the system as disruptive and quarrelsome.
My eyes are wide open to the way our local government views its citizens, that only the chosen ones have the right to freedoms and to address the government but those who bring forth opposing view points label them disruptive and troublemakers so that we can feel justified in our decision to be bigoted toward that citizen.
Disgusting.
1:41
No, you are wrong again. I only call those disruptive and quarrelsome who do not know how to behave and treat their fellow man.
I'm sorry you don't know a troublemaker when you see one. Seems most everybody else has their eyes wide open when it comes to that.
And who made you God of etiquette to lay judgement down upon any one. It is pathetic that people who wish to ignore the rights of others elevate themselves above all others.
The only troublemakers I view are the ones that arbitrarily wield their authority as I have seen in our local government.
You all sound like a bunch of kids fighting over the swings on the playground. Next thing you know the whistle is going to blow to go back inside. Barretts rights were violated because he and a couple other people think so. Legally they were not violated because the county attorney would have informed the Executive that he was allowed to speak. The commission has heard all of the nonsense that they need from Barrett. You all are the ones holding the county back from progress. Get with the program or stay out of the way.
DAW
DAW
DAW again your opinion. Where is the fact. Provide the laws that state he had no right to speak. You are quick to name call and state opinion as fact in the protection of your relatives but I have not once seen a shred of evidence that can verify the statements you make.
It seems this thread has been hijacked with comments more appropriate to the next thread. I can understand that since since the enabler and his clan can't accept that their dear Mrs Vanzant and some backward commissioners are totally wrong about the County Legislative Body being a Court and she sits as judge.
Oh, I forgot as the posted comments from a self identified commissioner
so boldly stated they don't care what the state says, "You all complain and whine. Our County Court has run this County for over 200 years and we will continue to do so. It has always been called the court and will always be called the court. That is our way. We are elected because we know what to do and how to do it."
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To DAW, Really disappointed that you seem to have so little respect for the Constitution.
My rights were violated not because I said they were but because the County Executive used the power of her office to deny me the opportunity to exercise my free speech rights and prevent the free discourse of a citizen with their government.
I had met every requirement set forth to speak yet was denied. Now if it was illegal for me to speak to begin with why would there be requirements in place to control who speaks?
You state, "Legally they (my rights) were not violated because the county attorney would have informed the Executive that he was allowed to speak."
Surely you are not that naive. The County Attorney is used to give cover for a terrible decision. It was the same procedure followed that cost the county over $70,000.00 for violation of Mrs Whites rights. It was this same attorney that led the county into the mindless debacle of moving the distances for selling alcoholic beverages. After being promised a ruling by both the county attorney and the county executive, about the county executive's veto of the Commissioner vote, three letters requesting this ruling during the past six months has not been responded to.
Now, the whole matter can easily be cleared up by the County Attorney simply making a public statement announcing what Tennessee Law prevented me from being allowed to speak at the Commission Meeting. In her letter the county executive stated I was prevented by state law, so just produce that law or even the Annotated Code number and you won't hear anything else out of me about it. Now that should be fair wouldn't you think.
One other thing DAW you stated, "The commission has heard all of the nonsense that they need from Barrett.", so I ask you just which of my statements were nonsense. The letter appeared in the newspaper and is posted in the next thread topic so it should be easy for you to find that statement that was nonsense.
DAW DAW
Get Gramps to read his CTAS manual to you and you will know Vanzant and Henson were incorrect and Barrett correct.
12:52
And if anyone disagrees with you guys, he or she is called all sorts of names, imncluding enabler. By thwe way, that was a lie started by allen barrett.
If they were incorrect then sue them. That appears to be the only way we ever know the truth about what Barrett says vs. the County Government or anyone else.
What was the outcome of the appeal in Nashville over the commission seat? I have asked several times and gotten no response.
DAW
DAW,
Why is it that you expect every one to answer your questions but you answer no ones questions to you? Why is that?
If you want to know the outcome of a case it is public record and you could find out with one phone call, if it is that important to you.
12:37 and it is alright for you to call Mr. Barrett a liar when every one on this blog judges you on your written statements and not what Barrett may have said in the past. Your statements and your statements alone have earned you the title "The Enabler". I personally, judging you on your statements view you to be evil.
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:26:00 AM
Ya know, I've been seeing this for a long while, but I don't think anyone has said it yet. You are actually proud of the fact that you are called the enabler. I've noticed on this thread as well as others, that when someone mentions the enabler, you jump right in and say "I'm the one they call the Enabler. Me!! ME!!! Not them!!!!" It just goes to show how ignorant you really are. If you are not the or an enabler of evil, then why associate yourself with the name? Hmmmm???? I think you enjoy being the center of attention, the topic of discussions. You are such a wannabe.
7:45 GREAT POST. I agree 100%.
7:03,
I answer every question that is asked of me. I can't recall a time when I haven't. If you have a question, just ask. You should already know that I have nothing to hide. If you know the outcome of the case, why don't you say it. Save everyone the trouble of having to make a call. It seems that the tough questions that are asked of Barrett get avoided or you come in to his rescue to try and turn it around.
The outcome should be important to every citizen of the county. Win or lose.
DAW
daw
He is a liar when he calls me one who enables or promotes something I know to be wrong. I just don't think he should be allowed to go unchallenged when it comes to calling names and telling a lie. I would never go along with something I know to be wrong. I've told him that repeatedly, but he continues to tell that lie.
DAW,
Does your Grandfather know? I'm not rescuing any one it just seems all the questions you ask could be found out on your own.
But I have never seen you answer any questions with factual evidence, only your opinion.
If you do answer the questions to you then how about the ones Mr. Barrett put to you above in the comments?
Grand Daddy does not count as fact.
2:08,
If you have never seen anything I have written backed up by facts then you are either you haven't read much or you choose to be blind to the facts because they do not coincide with what WAB says. I an guess which of the two.
You would be just as well to leave my grandfather out of any conversation with me. That makes it personal and very hard for me to respond to you in a respectful manner. He is very knowledgeable about Giles County Government and I have heard enough stories from him about the little group that wants to gain control of everything, but for some reason can't get elected through the proper process. I have my own mind to make decisions without having to question him about WAB. If you have a personal problem with the way my grandfather makes decisions, I would just assume that you haven't a clue about what is best for the county.
I will also assume that Barrett did not win the appeal since you fail to give an answer. Maybe you don't want to be the one to inform the fine folks on this blog that the taxpayers have come out of their pockets to defend a useless lawsuit. I am also sure that it won't be the last time. Thanks for everything.
DAW
DAW
You have never answered the question, 'What happened at the meeting between you and Barrett'?
DAW
Although you have joined the feeding frenzy by calling me an enabler of wrong and even referred to me as evil, I hold no malice toward you. You really don't know the intents of my heart and how deeply I love Giles County.
I will say that your grandfather is a very fine man who is not very well appreciated by the little band of troublemakers here in the county. Nevertheless, I see him as an honest gentleman who acts on what he sincerely deems good and in the best interests of Giles Countians. You should be proud of him. It's unfortunate that the malcontents see him in a different light. They are wrong.
3:14,
I have no further desire to meet with Barrett. I have seen and heard all that I need to know about him. I can't imagine that a meeting between us would be very productive. The way he presents himself is very unbecoming.
To 3:17,
I called you the name to let you know who I was trying to address. I also suggested changing your name because I have grown tired of hearing the label "Enabler". I know you want to see the best for Giles County but you need to ease up a little on trying to prove your point about one thing. Most people in Giles County feel the way you do. I wouldn't let the words from the "crazies" on here affect you any. Stick to real information that matters and we will get along just fine. Just know that I don't always argue against something just because of the person on the other side. That isn't productive or progressive.
DAW
DAW,
If you do not want your grand father brought up in conversation then do not refer to him as you have done in past points when you tried to validate your opinion. I do not care what you take personally as I have seen you name call and belittle those that have a differing opinion of yours, as you did in the previous comment. I have not seen you present anything factual in opposition to Mr. Barrett, and I have read a lot on here.
But you still ignore the questions asked of you so why do you expect anything different for yourself.
So why do you fail to address this question by Mr. Barrett if you have nothing to hide.
""The commission has heard all of the nonsense that they need from Barrett.", so I ask you just which of my statements were nonsense."
Could it be that the citizens on this site are tired of your nonsense?
I apologize, you did answer one question about the meeting with Barrett but it seems you only answered that to throw in opinionated belittling remarks.
Anything that is asked of codes or laws to back your bigoted statements are conveniently ignored.
But I am glad to see the open alignment between you and the enabler.
equal protection for all
Mr Barrett when is your new house going to be ready to move into? It will be a breath of fresh air when such a trouble maker is gone. Or perhaps go to England with your friends, treat and say the things to the Queen, you say in our county,and about our county, see what she had done to you...
DAW
I suppose you are right about what you said, but it just bothers me deeply that this man thinks he can get away with calling me and anyone else of his choosing names whenever it suits him or whenever sopmeone disagrees with him. His calling me an enaqbler of wrong is a lie, regardless of who I am, and I just don't think he should get away with that.
You are right about the crazies; I should try to remember that when he or one of his followers calls me that name.
4:19,
You are a moron. I can say that now without feeling bad. You keep on hanging on to what WAB says and you will continue to get nowhere. Almost everything he says and does is nonsense. Does that answer your question? You nag people to death on this blog and it is childish and rediculous. You could just as well say nothing at all and it would mean the same thing. When I tell you something that comes from my grandfather it is fact, especially concerning the commission and the county. He shows no favortism and doesn't buckle to pressure from morons like you and your bunch. Guess that gets you upset. Well it makes for a good laugh on my end. Have a wonderful night.
Thanks,
DAW
DAW,
So you do not wish to back up your statements with written codes or laws, we are to take your word that anything your grandfather says is fact and not opinion. We see who the moron is.
If you ever grow up and write facts intellectual discourse might take place but as you prove over and over you only state opinion and are on here to belittle those whose opinion you disagree.
Show us any proof of what you say but I know you will not because you can not post what you do not possess.
equal protection for all
I am still wating for your proof you have not cost the county any money Barrett, you bash, call names, and have honestly distroyed your name in Giles County, with you lies, and belittle people have have a different mind set. I ask you why do you do this? It's not for the people, if that were the case you would spend this wasted time and effort on doing something good, and don't set and tell me all the wonderful things you have done, because I nor anyone else will believe you, you have lost Mr Barrett, lost your name, we have all lost faith in anything you could ever do, as a direct result of this blog, and seeing and reading the potty mouth things you say. I would hate to be you, when your time is up....
Is 8:15 DAW's granddad?
8:35,
I assure you that my grandfather does not get on this blog. He laughs when I tell him about the things that are said on here. Unlike me, he won't take the time to argue with people about rediculous things. He is too wise for such a thing. Like most other commissioners, he pays no attention to WAB or anyone in his circle. There are many more pressing issues that he has to deal with for the county.
7:50,
You are a coward for not posting your name. Until you can do that, I see no need in trying to have any conversation with you. I might just name you the Enabler. I think it fits you more than the person you tagged with it. To be honest, I think you may be Barrett in disguise. Afterall, Barrett is the biggest Enabler in Giles County.
Goodnight,
DAW
I think we will see DAW on the next ballot. He has already started his campaign.
DAW,
You make me laugh. You are like a bratty little kid that thinks they should be entitled to more because they are related to some one in office.
From what I've read on here that you posted I have no desire to meet you or have anything at all to do with you. But I will introduce myself to you around election time next year.
equal protection for all
Wonders if 10:39 isn't barrett?
I's like for DAW to answer one question for me....When do you work on that farm that you supposedly work on in Franklin. Seems to me you do very little because you're on this blog all times during the day. And your grandpa don't get on this blog cause he don't know how to use a computer. He would if he could just like you.
11:04
Why is what he does any of your business?
5:32,
It is the only thing that 11:04 can say to make them feel better. If you can't argue the truth then attack personally. It is what dumb people do when they are backed in a corner.
DAW
You should know. Seems to be the same tactic that you use.
DAW
First of all, please learn how to spell in order that your posts can be understood.
Second, the poster who suggests you must not have much to do on your farm job as you are on this blog at all hours of the day, is surely correct. Unless, of course, your job on the farm is to muck the stables which does allow time to play during work hours.
Lastly, your gramps does not have any important jobs to do for the county. He only gives lip service or raises his hand on behalf of voted out commissioner Ed Lovell who we know still runs the highway dept. If gramps is so important, why does he take time to discuss this blog content?.
By the way, is gramps chairman of any county government committee? (Please don't evade this question).
11:27
Why must you be so hateful and mean-spirited? Have you been drinking the hate and jealousy kool-aid?
12:15 again with the hate kool-aid? get a new tag line. DAW name calls and puts every one down he disagrees with. Words like,dumb, stupid, crazy, idiots, morons are words that flow freely to describe any one that opposes him and still not one shred of proof to back up any statement he has made. In fact the hypocrisy runs so deep that he does the very same things he wines that others do to him. If any one spreads hate on here it is the team of the enabler and DAW as they promote bigotry and hatred of those whose opinions differ from theirs which is basically any one that believes all Americans are entitled to all equal protection of all constitutional rights.
Equal protection for all
12:15
Why do you think 11:27 post is mean-sprited and hateful? Explain where you see that. Sounds factual to me.
11:27,
If you are going to play tough guy or gal you need to put your name on here. Your word has no credibility when you post anonymous. If you want to get personal be brave or I will just ignore you.
DAW
12:44
Ironically, that's exactly my opinion about allen barrett and his little band of followers. Anyone who disagrees with them is called an enabler of wrong and/or evil along with a host of other names. It's sad that this little faction finds something wrong with everyone but themselves. Well, thank God the voters of Giles County are smart enough to prevent them from gaining the power they so desperately crave. Thank God.
DAW,
You show your ignorance once again. Are you trying to turn this into a physical confrontation? Is that how you settle things on a free speech blog that you are a guest on? Are you a tough guy DAW?
You sign your name but there is no credibility to your statements. Mr. Barrett signs his name as others have and you ignore their questions to you and present no facts in your replies in favor of name calling. I find your hypocrisy ridiculously entertaining.
Equal protection for all
Explain how DAW is a hypocrite. I have never seen where he is one. I think you are just afraid that DAW tells the truth and informs the readers, in depth, of the real events that happen in Giles County. He also comes up with real solutions to problems rather than complain about it. It is funny that you belittle him without posting your name. That shows real courage.
as 3:08 shows real courage as well. Why are you afraid to post your name if that is the only reason people post anonymous?
But to answer the question, There are 3 questions to DAW on this post alone which he refuses to answer with anything other than condescending remarks. The laws and code that back Mr. Barrett's claims are posted on this blog as well as verifiable through government resources.
But the one thing I have not scene is any written document backing what DAW says. In fact the only so called proof he presents is his grand fathers word and this statement "Legally they were not violated because the county attorney would have informed the Executive that he was allowed to speak." meaning this is the criteria used in court cases to evaluate if a persons rights have been violated. again ridiculous, But maybe she made a mistake and thought she was interpreting the law correctly. But since the law to which they refer has never been shown then I have to call them on their smoke screen and nonsense.
My question is why do a few people scream and wine and fight in defense of the every ones freedoms under the constitution in this county. If every one only laughs and mocks Mr. Barrett and no one in the county takes him serious then why spend so much energy attacking him? Why not give him 5 to 10 minutes to speak, every one could get a good laugh, we all could use it, and then go on about their business.
For some reason the man is feared. And one more thing I do not agree with every thing he says and never will but I do know that when he presents something he has documentation to back up his findings and not just his grand dad's word.
Equal protection for all
Yeah, Barrett backs up his word with lawsuits that are lost and cost the county money. He makes a fool of himself at public meetings and gets arrested. He his a joke to everyone in county government. I don't really think he is feared. People are just fed up with him after giving him plenty of time over the years to state his case. No matter what the laws and codes are, Barrett did not meet them or he would have, by law, been allowed to speak. What part of that do you not understand? You are very childish to attack his grandfather. Typical of someone with nothing important to say. You must either be Barrett or someone kin to him. Also, when you told DAW that he needed to learn to spell, I guess you didn't know that you would be saying "the one thing I have not scene" actually should be spelled "seen".
Good one!
read the posts 4:31 because that was not mine on spelling. but nice you can read and make false statements just like this stupid one. "No matter what the laws and codes are, Barrett did not meet them or he would have, by law, been allowed to speak."
Time will only tell who is right.
Equal protection of all
In addition, didn't they find Barrett innocent when he was arrested and did not the court state that he should have been allowed to address the school board?
Maybe some one can answer this for me.
Equal protection for all
Hey equal protection for all, I think should post your name too. I bet you wouldn't talk to DAW like you do if he knew who you are. He may call people names, and sometimes they deserve it, but at least he signs his name and stands behind what he says. It does make you look cowardly. Especially talking about his grandfather like you do. Typical Barrett follower. I bet you don't have it in you?
Alan Flowers
Alan F.
Good post.
Mr, Flowers, if that is your real name and anonymous 10:49 your hypocrisy has no end. I reserve my right to maintain my privacy as you do and many others, but you will know who I am come election time as I stated in a previous post.
Just as those who post on here in defense of violating a citizens rights have their reasons for maintaining anonymity so do I.
Concerning the comments about DAW's grandfather, you need to go back and read my posts. I am stating that DAW needs to provide written, verifiable documentation for statements he makes contrary to when there is opposition to his views. His grandfathers opinions are just that opinions and not facts, especially when presented second hand by DAW. In court it is hearsay and would not be allowed. I know this is not court any more than our commission meetings but can we be sure DAW is presenting his grandfather's statements the way his grand father would and not weaving his own view points into the delivery.
For instance if I remember correctly, I may be wrong, but wasn't it Commissioner Woodard's opinion that the budget should not be passed and voted against it but the fact was it passed. I think Com. Woodard was correct in his vote but in the end his opinion did not turn out to be fact.
If DAW wants to interject his grandfathers opinions into the conversation as fact then he should not wine and get bent out shape when it is put back on him. In his own words he should get tougher skin especially if he is going to run for office.
And one last thing, how does knowing my identity change what you read of my comments. Does the meaning change? Does it prohibit you to discriminate against me because of who I may be?
Equal protection for all
10:34
You and the malcontents can cry injustice til the cows get home and accuse the commission of disallowing citizens to speak, but that's simply not true. I can certainly see why the commission would not want to hear one who disrupts meetings, and you and I both know we have a system in place for making our wants and wishes known to them. And if one cannot contact his or her commissioners by pghone, what's wrong with a letter? Isn't that the same thing you do when you want to contact your senator or congressman? Or would you storm their chambers and start trouble?
11:19 No, I don't write a letter. I am able to call them.
How do you know that DAW gets all of his info from his grandfather. I saw where he posted numerous websites the proved that comments made by Barrett and other were either completely false or heavily skewed to make people believe things were something other than honest. Would you not say that getting info from a commissioner would be a good source to find out what is happening in county government? I haven't agreed with all of his opinions but DAW makes sense and says alot more than the majority of posts. I think you have a dislike for him because he is not afraid to post his name. I applaud him for his bravery. He has also said, more than once, that he is not going to run for office.n
Alan Flowers
11:19 I think this will answer your point."And if one cannot contact his or her commissioners by pghone, what's wrong with a letter?"
from Mr. Barrett"s past post concerning his request to speak at the meeting.
"I naively presented a formal letter requesting to address the Full Legislative Body at the called meeting to discuss setting the tax rate and adopting the budget. When I returned home last night I had a letter from the county executive denying me the opportunity because of "State Law"."
If there is such a law or portion of a code as many people are defending the actions of the commission, can some one please provide the code or statute, number will be fine, so that we may read it. I can not find any thing in state law that coincides with that statement.
I am responsible for 12:06 post.
Equal protection for all
It's my understanding that one who wishes to speak at a regular commission must submit something like a synopsis or statement of what he/she wants to address and within the prescribed time limits.
Nevertheless, what happens if a huge group of people want to apeak at a meeting? There would be no end to it. That's why we have those parameters in place and this is why the county executive has to exercise sound judgment in granting those requests. Still in all, we have the opportunity to make our voices known by contacting our commissioners as well as Mrs. Vanzant. That's how it works, and it's regrettable that a few people think they should not have to abide by it.
Thursday, August 04, 2011 5:03:00 PM
The Queen of England doesn't rule England! lol
The British are quiet proud of their Queen tho.
12:48 make all the excuses you want but hypothetical situations are ridiculous as defense. Was there a large group of people that wrote in with requests to speak and were turned down as well? Is this what you are saying? Or are you clinging to more feeble excuses.
The commissioners and Mrs. Vanzant have the ability to make themselves unavailable to citizens, in other words ignore the citizens voices, especially the ones they find ridiculous as the posts on here state they do where Mr. Barrett is concerned. Every excuse just proves more and more that Mr. Barrett was refused because of the governments personal prejudice toward a citizen.
But which state code is referenced in Mrs. Vanzant's letter? Still not one person can produce it. Interesting, I wander if it exists? I have to say I'm starting to have my doubts.
Equal protection for all
6:07
Would you stop crying? Did it ever occur to you that Mrs. Vanzant and the commission are well aware of how barrett behaves when he speaks at a meeting? Could it be that they know he will create problems? Look at his past track record and argue that I am wrong about that.
Why can't barrett speak with his own 7th District commissioners about his concerns? You'll recall they are the three who defeated him soundly in his second unsuccessful bid for commissioner. Those commisioners are: Mrs. Coleman, Mr. Harwell, and Mr. Campbell.
6:33 if they are so clairvoyant then this County should be progressing under their reign, but that just isn't the case. We keep losing population, aka work force, and a lot of it is that people are sick of the nepotism and arrogant attitudes by a few.
6:38 Yeah, there are three understanding commissioners, lol. I'm sure they are not bigoted towards any citizen, what a joke.
But still excuses of clairvoyance by our elected officials and no written proof to back up the claims of the government.
Can some one call the county commission and get Saturday nights powerball numbers for me? I would call them again but I keep getting a voice mail that they are only willing to talk to certain citizens that they like.
Equal protection for all
7:50
Why not answer the questions I asked you at 6:33? Thank you.
8:10 Read my last post. I do not believe the commission to be clairvoyant so I think your opinion why he was refused is not very well thought out or follows the spirit in which our representatives are elected to serve.
If they were meant to pick and choose who they listen to based on that person's like ability then why do elected officials take an oath to protect every citizens constitutional rights, not just the ones they like? In my opinion the laws need to be followed by our governing bodies. So what do you not understand about that?
So now will you produce the code? Don't worry, I know it does not exist so you do not have to. I will await your rebuttal in opinion instead of fact.
Equal protection for all
8:41
What code? I have never said a word about any codes.
Since we are dealing with opinions here, please allow me to share another of mine with you. I sincerely be;ieve Mrs. Vanzant and most of the commissioners regard allen barrett as a nuisance and a troublemaker. I share that view. To me, he appears very much like a little boy who is spoiling for a fight because he can't get his way about something, and it just seems so pathetic. Look, do you enjoy being around people who have willfully gone out and tried to hurt you? Do you seek out the company of those who call you names and accuse you of anything from incompetence to oputright dishonesty? I wouldn't want him disrupting meetings either. And you KNOW he has done that in the past. Did he not show out the other day at a meeting? How do you defend that behavior?
Finally, can you tell me why he can't discuss his concerns with his own commissioners in his district? I await your opinion on that. Then I will give you some facts.
It is too bad that one man can cause so much trouble and that some people choose to listen to him.
Why doesn't Equal Protection For All just call the County Attorney and find out what the law is that gave the County Executive the right to deny Barrett to speak? He/She is going to get carpal tunnel from writing and complaining about it so much. It just seems to be the obvious way to get an answer. But then again, if he/she isn't given the answer they want, they will call the county attorney a liar and the mess starts all over again. Some people are never happy, EVER.
DAW
DAW
If there was a law that supported Vanzant's claim the county attorney would have stated that TCA in the response to Barrett. There is no code. Period.
I have raised questions that can be answered in fact and have received no facts to back the bigoted and prejudice statements.
And the same ones that are screaming against allowing a citizen to speak because he can not win a popularity contest with the commission will be the same ones screaming when some one new is elected and denies them their rights one day.
And Daw I do not need to call the County Attorney because I do my own research, I just knew no one would provide some thing that does not exist. And they haven't. But go ahead and keep defending those that arbitrarily wield there authority.
Equal protection for all
And DAW, read my posts before you go and make stuff up, I said in a previous post that there was a possibility she could have misinterpreted a code and if the code to which is referred would be presented the citizens can see for themselves.
In addition I was not there so I do not know if an actual meeting between the County Exec and Attorney ever took place, or if the County Exec misinterpreted the response and presented it in a letter to Mr. Barrett. There is the possibility the exec made some thing up to try to validate her arbitrary wield of authority. Or maybe the exec chose to ignore the opinion of the County Attorney as she did with the beer distance fiasco. Every one remembers that, right? The County Attorney advises not to issue a beer permit in the county because it would violate the distance rule written in the beer ordinances. She was ignored, the permit was rushed through and the distance rules were violated.
I have a right to question the ones that take home my tax money as their pay check or question any elected government official. I have the right to challenge those who arbitrarily wield there power and choose to ignore their oaths to the citizens. It is the American way.
above post is mine
equal protection for all
12:27
You honestly need to stop drinking the troublemaker's kool-aid. Can't you see that he delights in this sort of thing?
Nobody said a citizen hasn't a right to question those who hold elected positions. They should. However, you don't do that by calling them names and accusing them of doing things wrong. Again, stop drinking that kool-aid. Be a plus for our county and not a part of troublemaking. It needs to end.
12:51 Your an idiot. Same old broken record? Your such a controlling nut that you think you can tell me what to do. When you disagree with something or someone do you automatically hate them? Maybe you do.
We have the right to challenge our government, especially when we view their actions as wrong but you call that hate and trouble making. If you view your attitude and statements as being a positive find a dictionary because you are misinformed to the definition of positive.
The questions have been asked and there is one simple way to answer, present the code that was referenced by the exec instead of continuing to make excuses and attempting to redirect the subject of this post.
equal protection for all
equal protection (perhaps wab?)
There you go again with the name-calling. No, it's you guys who call names when someone disagrees with you. You guys are also the ones who sound like a broken record.
By the way, who is trying to control you? It's certainly not me or anybody else that I know of. You just can't get your way, so you become angry and quarrelsome.
Go ahead and question government. Nobody has said you can't...other than you guys.
I never mentioned a code, so you need to address that question to someone else.
More refreshing kool-aid perhaps?
2:24 I think you have hogged it all for yourself along with the hypocritical punch you are always guzzling.
equal protection for all
The question was asked why Mr. Barret doesn't contact his commissioners from the 7th district. I am from the 7th district and can not get anything from those three commissioners either. I have left messages on their answer machines but never had a single call back. They simply do not answer their phones.
Commissioner Campbell is stuck in the fifties and can not allow any progress to the county unless it empowers him personally.
Commissioner Coleman simply can't put three words together and make a coherent sentence.
Commissioner Harwell, after I saw him in action at the chili event, I would never ask him anything for fear he would go off and physically attack me and call me very ugly names.
My family has no representation on the Commission and that's why the cost to live here is going up faster and faster while the benefits are dropping more and more. One son already has left home to get work and two more will leave as soon as school is over. The county is dying from backward thinking, putting personal concerns above everyone else, draining the finances of everyone for the benefit of a select few, Someone wrote on here awhile back that Giles County was under a feudal system where the population is made up of nobles and serfs, I tend to agree.
Before you accuse me of being someone else or being a newcomer to the county My grand parents, parents and I have lived here all our lives except for short periods of time in the military and college.
T. Adams
E.P.F.A.,
Ma'am, you need to quit getting so upset and either call the County Attorney or the County Executive and find out why he wasn't allowed to speak. It is that easy. Must you post 100 times before you try to find the answer from the proper personnel? Please go away if you are not going to do that.
Both the county attorney and county executive have refused to discuss the matter both refused to pick up their phone when called but I hear the Vanzant tell her secretary she wasn't there when I called.
Wrong again Barrett!!! I do wished you could gets your ducks in a row, however you can't do that either. Mrs White was not hired for one reason and one reason only...she did not meet the requirements. One of the main requirments was that the applicant had to have a CPA, and she did not. How dare you throw Race into this equation. Shame on you...Get your facts in order before you throw race out there!!!
Sunday, August 07, 2011 3:28:00 PM
I'm not the one you posted too or any other post, just been reading and very much wish you would go away.
Or at least learn something new.
You make me think no one new should move into Giles County.
No wonder no new factory wants to move here.
If you aren't Janet Vanzant you have close ties.
Never meet the woman, but I did vote for her, and I did not vote you barrett.
I'll take the opportunity to answer 4:06 although I am not Barrett.
4:06 then why did the county pay Mrs. White upwards of $70,000 to settle out of court if they did nothing wrong?
And you need to get your facts straight, she had more qualifications than two others that were brought in to interview. When she had more qualifications than other applicants why was she denied the opportunity to interview?
Equal protection for all
Just shows how little you know 4:53
Lisa White met all the requirements needed to fill the position of finance director for Giles county. Lisa White scored the highest of all the applicants. She was denied an interview. I wish she had been awarded more than $70,000.
She did not have a CPA.
Is it true that barrett is the one who encouraged Lisa White to bring suit against the city? If so, then can we say he was at least partially responsible for costing taxpayers a large sum of money in addition to other lawsuits involving him?
Whether Ms. White was most qualified or not is not the point. An employer has the right to hire the best fit for the job regardless.
A CPA was not required. She was working toward her CPA at the time of interview. At that time she had a Batchelors in Accounting. She also had worked several years as an auditor with the state.
The former county bookkeeper had applied and she did not have a CPA or any degree in accounting.
Well, well, I had to leave town for an emergency this week end and looks like a whole bunch of folks took the time to attack and show their vicious sides along with some mighty far fetched ideas about right and wrong.
6:28 on 4 Aug DAW said “If they were incorrect then sue them. That appears to be the only way we ever know the truth about what Barrett says vs. the County Government or anyone else. What was the outcome of the appeal in Nashville over the commission seat? I have asked several times and gotten no response.”
I thought I was some kind of ogre for daring to sue the county and those responsible for breaking the law, now according to DAW that’s the only way to deal with the situation. The Appeal has not been decided yet.
9:53 on 4 Aug DAW said, “I answer every question that is asked of me. I can't recall a time when I haven't. If you have a question, just ask.”
Well, DAW I asked you a question actually I asked you several questions you have refused to answer. Maybe you missed a couple of those questions so I’ll ask again. In her letter the county executive stated I was prevented by state law, would you be so kind as to answer what state law that was? You also stated, "The commission has heard all of the nonsense that they need from Barrett.” So the question is just which of my statements were nonsense and will you kindly provide some documentation to show they were nonsense. The statement I tried to make to the commission appeared in the newspaper and on this blog so it shouldn’t be very hard to pick out those statements you consider nonsense.
I also asked you, that since the county executive stated I was prevented from speaking at the commission meeting by state law, to simply produce that law or even the Annotated Code number and you won't hear anything else out of me about it. Now that should be fair wouldn't you think?
3:10 on 4 Aug DAW said, “If you have never seen anything I have written backed up by facts then you are either you haven't read much or you choose to be blind to the facts because they do not coincide with what WAB says.”
Well, we can just stick to the post I mentioned above because you showed no facts in your claim of always answering questions addressed to you and your claim that “the commission has heard all the nonsense that they need from Barrett”. Individually there are a number of commissioners who still seek information from me.
That same post contained this statement from you, “I will also assume that Barrett did not win the appeal since you fail to give an answer. Maybe you don't want to be the one to inform the fine folks on this blog that the taxpayers have come out of their pockets to defend a useless lawsuit. I am also sure that it won't be the last time.”
Let me see here the man who deals in facts “ASSUMES” that I lost the appeal, because he doesn’t know the outcome of the appeal it’s only natural to “ASSUME” I lost? What happened to posting some facts with your comments? Oh, if it’s so costly to the county to be sued why would you encourage me to sue the county? Isn’t that a bit hypocritical DAW?
At 4:08 on 4 Aug DAW said, “I have no further desire to meet with Barrett. I have seen and heard all that I need to know about him. I can't imagine that a meeting between us would be very productive”. What, more assumption on your part? In reality you know nothing about me other than the gossip you have been fed.
End of Part one
Part Two
At 5:03 on 4 Aug. Anonymous suggested I go to England and talk with the Queen. Well, there isn’t much an Irishman has to say to the Queen who is only a figurehead. It seems you would have more to say to her than me, perhaps you could apologize for us stirring up so much trouble for her ancestors and doing away with their rule over us.
At 6:28 on 4 Aug DAW said, “You are a moron. I can say that now without feeling bad. You keep on hanging on to what WAB says and you will continue to get nowhere. Almost everything he says and does is nonsense.”
So now you are into calling people names without anything other than your opinion or assumption which ever you prefer. I have been criticized for calling people names yet there is not a person I called a name that I did not also post the reason for that name. So when I refer to the county executive as a liar I have given very clear reasons for that along with the facts to support that reason.
You also said in that same post, “When I tell you something that comes from my grandfather it is fact.” I disagree with those who have brought your Grandfather into the mix when trying to discuss with you. I believe that for the most part he does try to do what he thinks is best but in some things he is easily persuaded by those who expertly use lies and manipulations to get their way. An example of this is the change that was illegally made in moving the distance to sell alcohol. The thing is however, you Grandfather nor anyone else is 100% factual just because they happen to say a thing or even believe a thing.
At 7:21 on 5 Aug DAW said, “If you can't argue the truth then attack personally. It is what dumb people do when they are backed in a corner.”
The question is does that apply to you and the “Moron” comment since you failed to provide an example of my nonsense or any proof that what was in my statement in the paper was nonsense.
At 4:06 on 7 Aug anonymous said, “Wrong again Barrett!!! I do wished you could gets your ducks in a row, however you can't do that either. Mrs White was not hired for one reason and one reason only...she did not meet the requirements. One of the main requirments was that the applicant had to have a CPA, and she did not. How dare you throw Race into this equation. Shame on you...Get your facts in order before you throw race out there!!!”
Well, since I don’t have any ducks guess I’ll have to rely on facts. I have never claimed Mrs. White wasn’t hired for any reason. The problem wasn’t that she didn’t get hired it was that even though she ranked in the top five she wasn’t even given a interview. Now at the time Mrs. Vanzant had waived the requirement for being a CPA in order to have Mrs. Roberts qualify. I didn’t inject race into the mix Mrs Vanzant did when she denied the only non-white, highly ranked person form being interviewed. The Human Relations Board found in Mrs White’s favor and threatened to sue the county. The county settled out of court for a years salary as Financial Management Director or $76,000.00 half paid by the county and half by the insurance company and that is a fact you can easily check.
One other thing that some of you have once again taken up and that is accusing me of posting under names other than my own. I could care less whether some of you believe me or not but there may be some new folks to the blog who aren’t aware that I sign all my post and include my picture as authentication.
WAB,
First off, I would hope that you understand the "sue the county" remark as sarcasm. The context of teh statement was very clear. I do not agree with you suing the county and costing the taxpayers money.
I don't answer questions that are completely out of my realm. I am not a lawyer and have no clue what the code is. I just like to think that if The Executive and the County Attorney say something, I can believe them. I don't dislike them enough to accuse them of telling a lie everytime they open their mouth. So how could I possibly answer a question like that? Have you contacted the County Attorney? Possibly your own?
When I talk about you and your nonsense, I am talking about your attitude toward people. Your approach is nonsense and negative. It is also very unproductive. The loud bully approach never works when trying to negotiate with anyone. I am sure you have had some good ideas, but for years you have only made people mad and created an idea of the kind of person you are because of the way you talk down to people.
Lastly, Alan, I have formed my own opinion of you by reading this blog. I have read all of the posts since the beginning of the year and the majority of the posts from the archives. I have watched videos that showed your attitude in person. That gives me more than enough information to be able to make up my own mind without have to listen to gossip.
Thanks,
DAW
wab
You really like all this mess, don't you?
The point you miss about the England thing is that you would not be able to go over there and badmouth the Queen like you do those you resent here.
I believe someone asked when your house in Smyrna or Murfreesboro is going to be ready for you to move into. When will that be? We will certainly miss you here in Giles County, but we will manage to get by.
DAW
It's just sad. But maybe he will be moving soon.
DAW said, “I answer every question that is asked of me. I can't recall a time when I haven't. If you have a question, just ask.”
WAB said, "the question is just which of my statements were nonsense and will you kindly provide some documentation to show they were nonsense. The statement I tried to make to the commission appeared in the newspaper and on this blog so it shouldn’t be very hard to pick out those statements you consider nonsense."
DAW said, "I don't answer questions that are completely out of my realm."
Maybe it's time you stop making comments about things that are completely out of your realm DAW.
Interesting 10:48. Seems like "answering every question" is sort of different from "I don't answer questions" I don't like.
Seems like a person so smart that they don't even need to talk to another person would have everything within their realm. Maybe DAW don't know as much as he pretends to know, after all saying, "I just like to think that if The Executive and the County Attorney say something, I can believe them" seems to show an immense amount of
childlike thinking.
Somebody let the hens out of the coop this morning.
I was always told to more you stir the mess in the out house the more it stinks...This is outstanding that finally we all have the power to say what we think of the lies, and trouble, and money, Barrett is doing and costing us the People of Giles County. The man will not listen to anything anyone has to say, closed minded, and unyeilding. We all are sick of his mess. I some times think he lives in a make up world all his own...
You assume you speak for all of us 12:35. And make statements that are totally false because you do not speak for us. We are all sick of people like you that do stir the pot and blatantly lie. I applaud Barrett for standing up for what he believes to be right.
Equal protection for all
Well mister big mouth 12:35 why don't you just march your big butt over to his house and tell him face to face instead of whining on here from under your anonymous rock.
Why would anybody listen to someone as foolish as you.
Nor would people listen to DAW who has now joined the Enabler on assuming Mr Barrett is moving and hoping he goes soon. Now that doesnt show an adult attitude. Wish on suckers.
In my opinion, 12:35 is right about the man who started the lie about there being an enabler. Ouch! And there are MANY who hope his move out of town will be soon. The sooner the better!
Ouch "suckers" I don't think I have belittled myself to start name calling...You got yourself all twisted...I have just as much right to voice my opinion, as you do "suckers" and trust me honey their is more aganist than for this ruthless, childish nit picking BS that Barrett has going on constantly. It's about time people find out what he is all about, and trust me again, people are talking and we do know more and more. Just read this thread at how angry you people get over anyone having a different opinion, it just proves the point to all of us, it's all in the words you and your followes have written, read them....
6:12,
Don't be a liar and put words in my mouth. I have no idea if Barrett is moving. I don't care if he is moving. He could live in Giles County for the rest of his life and it doesn't bother me a bit.
DAW
9:16
You are right about one thing. More and more people are finding out how he really is. Let's just hope he moves soon.
The following is interesting experpts from the letter of resignation by former commissioner Butch White, a well respected member of the comminity. Printed in The Giles Free Press, May 17, 2007.
"The main thing is the people in this county need to wake up and realize that a bunch of the commissioners are not trying to help the people of Giles County at all. They focus on what they can't do, not on what they can do. The people have been lied to in every different kind of way."
White said commissioners have given Giles County Executive Janet Vanzant the power to run Giles County with no limitations.
"The County Executive is running everything, and she really doesn't care about what happens to Giles County......" "The commissioners are not doing anything. Like in budget meetings, she (Vanzant) is supposed to be an observer - but she is running the show. This county is a one horse show and Janet Vanzant is running everything."
"Basically I am tired of all the lies that have been told and continue to be told. No one will step up and try to help and I don't have time for game playing. Why wait and ask questions when they already know how they're going to vote before they get there. We have a group that is against any kind of progress for the county. I am for moving forward and doing what's right for Giles County." ..."It's time for someone to step up and say what they think."
If the commissioners do nothing (not true), then perhaps Mrs. Vanzant is the one who has to step up. I know she steps up when a certain individual tries to create trouble and disruption at meetings. Just a different perspective.
7:41 Very appropriate for the discussion at hand. Thanks.
8:09
I disagree. Mr. White's comments should be taken within the context of what was going on at the time and why he became angry at the Commission and at Mrs. Vanzant. But of course you know that, right?
8:15 You know so much tell us what was going on at the time not just remarks.
I'm a new comer to the county (2008) that you don't want moving in. I've taken no part, but read the blog to see what's going on.
Butch White's comments are far more meaningful now. With a commission far more worthless and a county executive that has been effective in lying to the people of this county repeatedly and getting away with it, when he wrote that letter, he had no idea how much worse it would get. I have spoken with Butch White in the past few months. Far from him just getting off the commission and his feelings are the same. If anyone truly knows Butch, you know he says what he means and means what he says. Thank you Butch! By the way 8:19, why don't you go make that comment to Butch White yourself? Would be real interesting to see the reaction on your face to what he would say. Don't assume you know anything, because you are dead wrong on this one!
10:02 AMEN
How amazing that so much evidence is provided yet the stupidity of some is so great they refuse every evidence.
The topic of this thread was about the name of the County Legislative Body. Even with the T.C.A posted detailing that it is not a "Court" the only thing that has changed for some is that they have exchanged their ignorance for stupidity.
10:02
You need to calm down; you sound just like another individual I know who loves to call people liars, enablers, buffoons, and a host of other derogatory names.
Take Butch White's comments in the proper context (four years ago) and stop drinking the hatred and jealousy kool-aid.
wab
Call it a legislative body if you wish. What difference does it make. I have heard it referred to as county court ever since I was a little boy. But that's not good enough for you; is that right? Again, what difference does it make anyhow? I think Tennessee Code Annotated has about driven you out of your mind.
I still call supper supper and dinner dinner...so what?
2:22 You post but never tell us anything.
What was the proper context of Butch White's letter? I don't remember.
I think you need something to drink, but what would help you?
Don't need any of the hate and jealousy kool-aid, that's for sure.
Looks like 2:22 don't know what the context of Butch White's letter.
4:27 You do need to calm down.
6:28
Oh, I am quite calm. However, willful troublemakers bother me a bit.
Don't sound to calm.
I have notice that Barrett has posted on several topics in the last couple of days and his remarks are very degrading and mean. I guess he is trying to dig out of the hole that he has been put in on his own blog. What happened to Mr. Professional? I wouldn't dare vote for a man that has made the remarks he has. A strong politician would brush it off and get back to business.
Y'all come to the county court whenever you like. It meets in the court room in the upstairs of the court house.
In a campaign speech made at the courthouse Barret made it very clear that he wasn't a politician just a plain spoken person with some concerns about what was happening in the county. As for making "degrading and mean" comments I have yet to read anything from Barret that even comes close to the degrading and mean things that have been said about him.
If the names he uses have upset your sensibilities then why haven't you done anything to stop the people who's behavior fits those names. Barret is the victim of a well organized attempt to destroy his and our rights so the queen of Lincoln County can have her way.
leslie
You say barrett is not a politician? Perhaps that's why he came in fourth in a four-man race not once but twice. You say you haven't read any mean and degrading remarks made by him? What planet have you been on? He calls people mean and nasty names at will. You say barrett is the victim of a well-organized attempt to strip him and us of our rights? Oh please, for Heavens's sakes. What happened in your life to make you so paranoid and distrustful...perhaps even resentful toward those in power? Is it the kool-aid? Just asking.
To all of you that seem to think that WAB is everything that you hear from the elected officials I would like to encourage you to go to some of the government meetings. I was born and raised here and I have to agree with some of the questions the man has asked. I have probably attended as many of these meetings in the last 3 or 4 years as anyone else in the county. While I dont always agree with his methods, he does raise some good points. We have even talked face to face and I found him to be knowledgeable and somewhat likeable. My opinion is that he gets so frustrated that he tends to slightly lose his cool. Mr Barrett if you want to know my name let me know and I will email you my contact info. I cant reveal much more without putting my job at risk, unfortunately that is the way it is. There is a school board meeting tomorrow (Thursday) at Minor Hill School at 5:00. I urge everyone to attend, especially all you who believe all the negative and none of the positive about the man.
I WAS THERE
Leslie do not worry about 3:09 she is just mad that nobody wants any of her kool-aid. She has a way of twisting statements as she did yours. Every one knows this and she will not use logic or facts in anything she states. Read some of her other posts. Many call her the enabler but I call her the kool-aid witch.
Barret does have some great points. But that is part of the problem, he won't get to the point and then shut up. The commissioners have heard him and he keeps saying the same thing and they are no going to change their mind so he needs to forget it. And I agree with 3:09 he calls people all kind of names. He is not a good example of a good Christian.
3:29
Unless my parents lied to me, I am a male. What difference does my gender have to do with posting on the "free speech" blog? None.
There is no enabler. Don't you know who started that lie?
5:27
Good post.
Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:21:00 PM
I will be there. I wish more people would come to the school board meetings. I wish more people would speak their minds. Politely.
Wednesday, August 10, 2011 6:11:00 PM
There you go again, claiming your title and not letting anyone else carry it. "No I'm the enabler, Me, Me!!!!!!!! Don't call them the enabler, that's my title!!!!!" You are so predictable. If you are not an enabler, then let it drop. Don't claim the title for yourself. Be a duck, let it roll off your back. But no, you have to get your knickers in a knot about it, get over yourself, you are not that important in the grand scheme of things.
7:38
Predictable? In what sense? I simply point out the lie the man told on me, and it seems to bother you. Oh, I forgot; he never lies, so I must be mistaken.
The grand scheme of things? And how important are you?
8:28 you seem to be the only one who thinks Barrett lied when he accurately stuck that label on you.
8:35
No, he told a bald-faced lie when he accused me of knowingly and willfully going along with wrongdoings. His pride won't let him acknowledge that falsehood, but I will point it out. Granted, I am anonymous, so it shouldn't matter, but I believe there's a larger principle here.
8:40 HOw do you know you were the one called enabler? To pop off every times must mean you think no one else disagrees with Barrett.
You seem to want everything to be about you.
8:35,
You are being an Enabler by making that comment.
8:35 watch she does not want one infringing on her territory.
I koinow who the lie was told on. It's that simple.
To 8:40 How could I tell a bald-faced lie when I have a beard? I am so disappointed that you haven't even noticed, especially since I have had it since 1985. I guess you were just blinded by the brilliance of my charming personality.
I did not lie about the enabler and each thing I have said about the enabler is provable. When I identified the enabler I gave the reasons, which were numerous, if you fit the character then that's your problem. Perhaps you should change your behavior so you'll not be confused with those who enable wrongdoing.
5:27 I could not agree with you more, a person who calls people names... it's just totally uncalled for. If a person can not speak their mind with out calling names, shows a true sign of no inteligence, or very little, and no self control what so ever. Would he be a person I would vote for NEVER! would he be a person I would want to stand up and Church and preach to me, or my family, or any of my friends, NEVER!!! This just goes to show you, the insane does walk amoung us. The man has no self control, he is rude, ruthless, lies, and has no worth to any of us. He is poison....
wab
No, I am the one you told the lie on that I willfully go along with and support wrongdoings. That was a lie then and it still is.
It is my opinion that you are an enabler of strife. Perhaps you wouldn't be confused with troublemakers if you changed your behavior.
To the one who says he is not an enabler: You keep repeating the same thing over and over as if you are trying to convince someone, perhaps yourself that what WAB says is not true. If it isnt true dont worry, the truth has a way of finding the light.
3:42
No, I am the one he told the lie on that I willfully go along with and support wrongdoings. That was a lie when he told it and it remains as such.
I don't worry about him telling that lie. But he should not be allowed to get away with it.
Your problem is 10:16 you just keep on proving that he was right about you being an enabler of evil.
10:39
I think you are an enabler of troublemaking. Although I post anonymously, the man told a lie about my going along with corruption and wrongdoings, and I will NOT let that go unchallenged. He lied; wrap your mind around that if you can.
7:55 AM
Since no one is positive as to your identity, what does it matter if you are called Enabler? Although, since you normally leave for work before 7:55 AM its obvious you are a county employee.
7:55 May I get in on this cat fight. How about telling why he lied instead of crying like a small child. You're not a female, you're not an enabler.
laughable.
8:55
You are right; it really doesn't matter per se since I am posting anonymously. The point I am trying to make is that nobody should be allowed to go unchallenged when they tell a lie on you. It may be obvious to you that I am a county employee, but did it ever occur to you that I am an early riser and that I am a retired person? Laughable indeed.
2:00 What has occurred to people is that you blindly defend the county executive and a few others while viciously attacking and labeling another person as a troublemaker all without any consideration of the facts. Is there any circumstance where you would openly criticize a specific county official or be supportive of WAB? The thing is no one is right all the time or wrong all the time but you seem to support government officials even when they are clearly wrong and condemn WAB even when he is clearly right. Why?
4:36
Wrong. I wouldn't blindly follow anyone, including my preacher. I would never support someone who was doing wrong. But what I will do is defend Mrs. Vanzant and select commissioners from horrific attacks by a troublemaker who is (my opinion) totally consumed with hatred and resentment.
You accuse me of making vicious attacks on the man? Wrong again. I point out his misbehavior and suggest that he stop it. How is that vicious? Please explain.
As for being supportive of barrett, there have been some ideas he has had that I agreed with. He knows that my problem with him has nothing to do with his opinions and ideas; we are all entitled to believe as we wish. But he calls me an enabler of wrong (a lie) and other names because my views are opposed to his and because I point out to him how he treats people. I frankly don't think anyone should be allowed to get away with such misbehavior.
You are no different than you claim Barrett to be except he seems more honest by putting evidence with his claims while you just repeat the same ole name calling.
What are your thoughts about Vanzant and Henson little stunt of lying to the commissioners and everyone in the county about why Barrett wasn't allow to speak at the commission meeting.
3:51
Wrong. I merely try to get him and a few loyalists to stop calling people names.
As for not allowing barrett to speak, here's what I think. Would you want to ehar anything a man has to say who has done nothing but ridicule you, call you all manner of names, and accuse you of everything from incompetence to outright deceit? NO! I wouldn't want to listen to a word he has to say either.
No one said you had to listen but the Constitution says he has a right to speak. Maybe the Constitution just don't mean anything to you but it does me and while I may not agree with what he has to say I have to defend his right to say it just as I would yours. When one person loses their Constitutional protections everyone loses.
9:16 I wouldn't run for office if I couldn't control my temper and ehar what the citizens have to say whether I liked it or not.
10:13
Please stop crying. NOBODY has said that citizens cannot speak and/or address their government. However, there are estab;ished procedures for doing so. As for barrett, he has spoken at many meetings, so I just don't understand why the grief. At the last particular meeting, he was not on the agenda, so there you have it. He knows this.
Question. Would any of you invite someone over to your home for a party whom you felt certain was going to cause trouble?
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