Is There A Pattern Forming?
Is there a pattern forming to deal with unacceptable results?
We saw it when the people made a clear statement that they did not want county wide zoning. We saw it with the Financial Management Act when the people voted overwhelmingly in favor of adoption. We saw it again when the people voted not to raise the sales tax to build Sam Davis Stadium. It seems if you are in charge and don't like the results of a vote you just cause it to be redone until its more to your liking.
What happened yesterday takes this process another step closer to a total detach from the people and even in this case from the County Commission. After the County Commission voted not to change the distance between churches/schools and places that serve alcoholic beverages the County Executive has taken it upon herself to nullify that vote and order the County Clerk to issue beer licenses to anyone applying for one with a distance greater than 400 feet between the seller and a school/church.
The County Executive gave a statement to WKSR, now posted on their website, in it she stated " she made a mistake in the meeting. “I used “Roberts Rules Of Order” to make the decision on the two-thirds vote, but after meeting with Doug Bodary with CTAS, it was learned that “Tennessee Codes Annotated” overrides my decision.” “I am very sorry for this confusion, In the future, I will make sure I study the Tennessee Codes and not rely entirely on “Roberts Rule Of Order.”
Several things need to be questioned about this decision.
1st after a vote is taken and the results recorded and announced and the meeting is adjourned in order to change that vote another vote must be taken.
2nd There is nothing in the CTAS manual that prohibits a 2/3 majority being required only identifies areas in which a 2/3 majority is required.
3rd The Tennessee Code Annotated states that in order to change a resolution already passed a 2/3 majority is required.
4th The history of CTAS reveals it to be nothing less than an instrument of whoever pays it's dues.
5th Making this arbitrary change without consulting with the County Commission places the County Executive in a position of power never envisioned by our rule of law.
6th Releasing this statement and making this change then not showing up for work so that questions might be asked of her is not only a cowardly political trick it is a slap in the face of every church/school in this county.
7th This appears to be nothing less than a political move to gain votes in the Campbellsville area by subverting the rules in order to allow the Campbellsville Store to sell alcoholic beverage for on and off premises consumption.
8th If after eight years serving as County Executive and still not knowing the rules required to govern can anyone make a legitimate claim of competency on the part of the County Executive?
Allen Barrett
We saw it when the people made a clear statement that they did not want county wide zoning. We saw it with the Financial Management Act when the people voted overwhelmingly in favor of adoption. We saw it again when the people voted not to raise the sales tax to build Sam Davis Stadium. It seems if you are in charge and don't like the results of a vote you just cause it to be redone until its more to your liking.
What happened yesterday takes this process another step closer to a total detach from the people and even in this case from the County Commission. After the County Commission voted not to change the distance between churches/schools and places that serve alcoholic beverages the County Executive has taken it upon herself to nullify that vote and order the County Clerk to issue beer licenses to anyone applying for one with a distance greater than 400 feet between the seller and a school/church.
The County Executive gave a statement to WKSR, now posted on their website, in it she stated " she made a mistake in the meeting. “I used “Roberts Rules Of Order” to make the decision on the two-thirds vote, but after meeting with Doug Bodary with CTAS, it was learned that “Tennessee Codes Annotated” overrides my decision.” “I am very sorry for this confusion, In the future, I will make sure I study the Tennessee Codes and not rely entirely on “Roberts Rule Of Order.”
Several things need to be questioned about this decision.
1st after a vote is taken and the results recorded and announced and the meeting is adjourned in order to change that vote another vote must be taken.
2nd There is nothing in the CTAS manual that prohibits a 2/3 majority being required only identifies areas in which a 2/3 majority is required.
3rd The Tennessee Code Annotated states that in order to change a resolution already passed a 2/3 majority is required.
4th The history of CTAS reveals it to be nothing less than an instrument of whoever pays it's dues.
5th Making this arbitrary change without consulting with the County Commission places the County Executive in a position of power never envisioned by our rule of law.
6th Releasing this statement and making this change then not showing up for work so that questions might be asked of her is not only a cowardly political trick it is a slap in the face of every church/school in this county.
7th This appears to be nothing less than a political move to gain votes in the Campbellsville area by subverting the rules in order to allow the Campbellsville Store to sell alcoholic beverage for on and off premises consumption.
8th If after eight years serving as County Executive and still not knowing the rules required to govern can anyone make a legitimate claim of competency on the part of the County Executive?
Allen Barrett
posted by Allen Barrett | 2:54 PM
93 Comments:
You hit the nail on the head with number 4. The same thing can be said about MTAS. All they do is rubber stamp what comes out of certain city officials mouth or agree with whatever their opinion happens to be.
Bless her heart!
That said, it is time that we elect a person (to be county executive) who is willing to read, study and learn before they act and or speek. The current County Executive is very comfortable when others stand before her and protect her from the public view. She reacts to those commissioners who really run the county.
I understand that she is running for a third term; what are her plans to move Giles County into the future? same as before, no change?
Boy do we need leadership that is willing to lead rather than react.
7:15, You just made an enemy.
That's what he/she says almost everytime WAB starts a thread.
Mrs. Vanzant has my vote if she does decide to put up with the planned attacks for another term. Frankly, I wouldn't.
so, are you against the County Executive, her procedure, beer sales or all three?
In my opinion, Janet is the worst county executive in the history of Tennessee......with the possible exception of Giles Collier.
no, im pretty sure she is worse than Giles Collier...LOL
All I can say is.....go Janet. Do not listen to this little band of complainers who try in vain to portray themselves as the very verbal majority of Giles Countians. They are not!
so, the two worst county executives EVER in the State of Tennessee are/were from Giles County?
I'm pretty sure that Janet knows she is not very good, but if you can keep getting elected, then why not???????
1:08
That's only your opinion, unless of course Mrs. Vanzant has told you that she doesn't think she is very good. I happen to disagree with you.
Amen! to the above post. Collier was the worst UNTIL Vanzant.
Bless her heart, she needs to be replaced this year.
And that's the truth.
Nuff said
2:46
My vote for Mrs. Vanzant will cancel yours out.
Nuff said.
here is another against hers....so youd better bring another family member out to cancel mine too.
Just did. You and your mama just canceled.
LOL..dont even know that other person...but i do know that vanzant is terrible at her job, and should be replaced.
11:47
Obviously, not everyone shares your opinion. I for one would differ with you, and my entire family is committed to Mrs. Vanzant. Oh, and that's not because we are related in ANY way.
And we are not ignorant enablers of corruption either. Thought I'd clarify before one of you starts the usual accusations
you have a right to your opinion as do i. I dont really think she is corrupt, just clueless.
8:31
And my opinion about Mrs. Vanzant's being clueless is polar opposite yours. I would say she knows very well what a few people are trying to accomplish. In fact, I'm sure she knows.
And what would they(a few here or a few big wigs...just who would 'they' be) tring to accomplish????
You know the answer to that question better than I do. So I'll not even labor the point.
So you arent going to answer the question....gotcha.
What has Janet done for Giles County that has improved the livelyhood of its citizens? What has she done to improve our collective life?
Please be specific when identifying what she, and she alone, has done.
Thanks you
Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:16:00 AM
Do you work for her?
2:00
That's all this blog is about...playing gotcha. Well, you didn't "gotcha" anybody, if you are talking about me.
12:46
Why don't you identify what you think Mrs. Vanzant has done that doesn't meet with you and a few other's disapproval?
1:26
Who I work for is none of your business. But I will tell you that I do not work for Mrs.Vanzant.
Gracious, the attack dogs are out in force this afternoon. It must b due to the bad weather.
12:46
Before you start criticizing my grammar, please allow me to make a correction. I meant to use the word approval rather than disapproval. Ok?
I'm sure you can find something "juicier" than that to use against me anyway.
Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:11:00 PM
I think you are the one they are after not Vanzant.
You are probably right it's the weather, everyone is staying in.
umm...when i said "gotcha" that is short for "i understand"...but go ahead and take it how youd like.
Take a poll and decide on who you would like to see run for County Mayor.
9:03
Hey, those people do not intimidate me like they do a few others around town. I don't fear one or all of them.
If they intimidate othes around town, why don't they post?
7:24
It's called class. Those most attacked would never get down to that level.
They must not think very highly of you then. It doesn't seem to bother you to get down to that level.
If they don't post, they must read the blog if they are intimidate.
If Vanzant was so right in her action to void the commissioners vote and impose her own will so that alcoholic could be sold just 400 feet from a church why has she now included it as part of a very expensive special called meeting for Feb 8th as announced on WKSR?
Fact, once again she got caught serving special interest, in this case Campbellsville Store, to the exclusion of everyone else.
Fact, she voided the commissioners vote and replaced it with her one single vote to allow beer sales next to a church.
You'd think a good Church of Christ member would be opposed to increasing the availability of alcohol especially next to a church , but since it's not her church guess it don't count.
I never said they were too intimidated to post on here. But I'm not. Again, they have too much class to get down to your level of character assassination, defaming, name-calling, and etc. That's why those bright people you would like to see in local elected offices can't get elected. People are not impressed by mud-slinging tactics.
I never said they were too intimidated to post on here. But I'm not. Again, they have too much class to get down to your level of character assassination, defaming, name-calling, and etc. That's why those bright people you would like to see in local elected offices can't get elected. People are not impressed by mud-slinging tactics.
They may have too much class, but you sure don't. Like I said before, they probably really don't think too highly of you.
6:11
Wrong. You are clueless.
Mr Barrett you are correct in that once a vote is made and the results announced, the result stands. No one can back afterwards and announce the result announced was wrong without it going back as another resolution for the whole commission to re-vote. Has anyone stopped to think what an impact it has had on the community and individual lives over the past years when our 'leaders' dont know what they are doing in the way of laws and their interpretations are accepted. Thanks Mr Barrett for speaking up for the community.
2:38
Your sarcastic remark about our "leaders" is par for the course here, isn't it? And, by the way, you are feeding his already swollen ego. If he really wants to do something to help this community, I think he should hold a county-wide revival. Isn't that more in tune with his job?
5:19
I can't agree with you more!!!!
I think that WAB should hold a County wide revival; and, I do believe he is doing just that. With the submission of petitions to have a the county citizens vote as to whether or not tey want a Charter form of Government is a big a revival we will ever have. REVIVAL is an excellent term to use in that we will revive the county.
You didn't realize that you had an excellent idea. THANKS!
8:55
You know very well what I mean by revival.
I find it rather odd that when the County Executive makes a statement about not knowing the rules she is responsible for following that anyone would get bent out of shape over 2 Feb. 2:38AM pointing it out then being referred to as "sarcastic" because they agreed with the county executive. Eight years of on the job training should prepare anyone for the most basic activity of their job. 2:38 didn't point out anything new they only put into words what many have questioned for a number of years now.
It is rather ironic to see 5:19 criticize someone other than me, about the use of sarcasm then turn on the sarcasm faucet full flow.
But then what more should be expected from someone who claims to know more about my job, my psyche, my life and my motives than I do. Oh well, I guess I should count it a plus having someone look after me so lovingly. Allen Barrett
wab
I do know what your job should be about. And you do as well.
wab
I do know what your job should be about. And you do as well.
7:09 The best that can be said about you is that you are one sanctimonious hypocrite. It't people like you that make people like me stay away from church. You know think you know everybodys business but your own. You condemn everbody but the ones who are the most evil.
10:21
Wrong. I only condemn (to use your word) a small group who are constantly trying to smear and malign those they have selected out as unfit for elected office. Oh, but when I do, I am demonized by people like you. It's ok for them to call others anything in the book, but God forbid that someone point that out! Now THAT I would call hypocrisy. Think.
10:21
Oh, and one more thing. You want to blame your not going to church on hypocrites? Well, I'd rather be in church with them than in hell. And churches are full of hypocrites from preachers right on down the line. They will have to give and account of thier actions and so will you. And many times even those in leadership positions within the church can be your greatest stumbling block. Think about that.
So 6:09 only you have been appointed to serve as judge not just of WAB but also all church leadership. Hummmm, how does your terminology identifying church leaders differ from what you claim WAB does with politicians?
8:46
I never said ALL church leaders are hypocrites. I was referring ONLY to those who show by their actions that they are hypocritical.
Excuse me 3:42 but when I read this statement from your 6:09 entry "And churches are full of hypocrites from preachers right on down the line" I must have misunderstood because since the preacher is at the top in most churches and you started with him and went right down the line I thought that would include everyone.
So would you please clarify what those words mean if not that everyone in the church was a hypocrite.
Oh, while you are at it would you please answer the question I actually asked, "how does your terminology identifying church leaders differ from what you claim WAB does with politicians?"
That's the question I am really interested in hearing about.
7:19
Ok, I'll split hair with you over terminology. Are you that dense? What I meant is simply that churches are INFESTED with (full of or filled with) hypocrites from the preacher right on down the line. And that doesn't mean that every single person in a church is a hypocrite. Would you have understood me had I used that word (infested) instead of full?
Oh, and by the way, elders occupy the top position in the local church and not a preacher. Of course some egotistical preachers exalt themselves to planes of superiority and ignore God's plan. Still, the elders are scripturally in the leadership role.
Now, as for your burning question, I will attempt to answer it. Ironically, a similar principle might be applied in both situations. Churches are INFESTED with or full of (filled with) hypocrites. Do we agree on that much? There are also some hypocritical people serving in government throughout this great nation. I would even concede that there may be a few in Giles County government somewhere, but I don't know any of them. That being the case, I would strongly disagree should you say our local government is "infested" with or filled or full of dishonest and/or incompetent people. Nevertheless, barrett and company have persecuted and attacked certain individuals they apparently see as somehow unfit. And that's their right to favor and disapprove of whomever they please. But everyone doesn't share their views, and that doesn't make those people wrong, ignorant, or enablers of corruption.
Perhaps a subtle similarity between the two lies with the fact that hypocrites in church and disliked politicians will all have to give account. The former will have to answer to God, and the politicians will be accountable to the voters on election day and not wab and his cohorts.
Let me share this thought before it eludes me. It is NOT up to me to identify hypocrites in church. But you and I both know there are plenty of them in every church, don't we? As for politicians, it is up to me to support those officials and candidates of my choosing and vote for them. That doesn't mean I run around town beating up on those I have no intention of supporting. I just vote against them.
I hope this has helped clear up your continued misunderstandings. If it hasn't, I'll be glad to split hair with you again.
One of the simplest things about politics is that people chose one person or another to support based on their like-mindedness. A campaign is then mounted to get the one, a person supports, elected. Within that campaign you show the weakness of the opponent via their voting record, ideology, public statements, character, etc so that an informed vote can be cast.
Sometimes people in an effort to prevent full disclosure make claims of dirty politics being practiced and try to cover up their political weaknesses. The presidential campaign of John Edwards is an example of such covering up of a persons true character. Attacking a candidate's family, because you can't legitimately attack the candidate is despicable, however anything backed up by factual evidence that reveals the record or character of the candidate should be open for public discourse. Voting for or against someone simply to cancel another person's vote is every bit as stupid and wasteful as not voting at all. For me it's an act of respect to cast an informed vote and an act of disrespect to cast an uninformed vote. That respect isn't just for or against a great nation but for or against it's great people and their sacrifice in making it great.
My children and grandchildren went into the voting booth with me from early childhood and were taught the history of this nation and what it took to give them the opportunity to cast a vote. They were taught that if one citizen is prohibited from casting a vote it is a vile mark against the whole process and that casting a vote without being as fully informed as possible is just as vile. Allen Barrett
Let me think. Hmmm. We pay a county attorney. And have a county mayor trying to read the law. Why doesn't the attorney determine the necessary votes required?
To Wed. feb. 6, 7:56:00 From your post one thing is clear you have very little bible knowledge. Elders or deacons were set in the church to be servants to the people and a help to the pastor or bishop. They are suppose to wait tables and minister to the needy. What you have stated is man made doctrine, organized religion, not God's way. You are Probally one of those deacons or elders that think way to highly of yourself. Try humble and you will find God's way
8:15
And you, sir, are guilty of judging me. Elders were ordained (sanctioned) by God in every church to feed the flock. I understand the qualifications of elders and deacons (aka pastors and bishops), so I really don't need a Bible lesson, ok? The point I was trying to make, if you are looking at some heirarchy within the church, is that those servants would be at the top and not some preacher. God knew what He was doing when this was set up. And even from a secular view, who do you think hires or discharges preachers?
How dare you to judge me just because we disagree! I think you may be the one who needs a huge slice of humble pie.
7:52 Exactly! Doesnt make sense does it?
I have dealt with many county executives in my career and Janet has been supportive to our community. Jnaet has been very supportive to the Elderly, disabled, and our community needs. It is apparent that a single honest mistake is judged by the community as serious as the Death Penalty. People should be more interested in our community. We ignore how our schools and how they manages crisis and termoil in our schools how our state system delivers service for the children and our court system handles juvenille issues and treatment options. We are so ready to point a finger a one person. What about taking an interest and working towards a better community.
Volunteerism in this county is almost non-existant. I don't go to church but maybe we should take a some knowledge from the Methodist churh and their support to Matthews. Volunteering to take care of our needy. Poor people in this county are discriminated against and Janet has been a driving force to help us in correcting issues with helping the people. Please rethink your ugly thoughts about our leader. Whether we like Obama or not is not a question but most people respect he office and that is the same with our County Executive position. SUPPORT OUR LEADERS IS AMERICAN.
2:53
Excellent post. But bear in mind that the ugly thoughts are coming from a very vocal minority (VVM) who apparently think it their mission to discredit those they want to see out of office. Their ugly agenda is clear.
To Feb. 6 8:24 You really do need a bible lesson because you don't know what the Bible says or you are fasley stating God's word. Either one is dangerous when given a public forum.
3:40
Although a preacher might qualify to be a pastor or elder, he is not a pastor just because he preaches. Would I be falsely representing the Bible if I said women are not, according to God's teachings, supposed to be preachers? I don't think so.
3:40 If what you say is true would you explain why the Bible refers to Philips daughters as Deaconesses and how they got away with preaching?
9:27
Would you be so kind as to refer me to the book, chapter, and verse? I'd like to look it up. My Bible always taught me that a woman was not to teach nor have dominion over the man.
9:47 are you saying that women shouldn't be teachers are that mothers shouldn't have any authority over there sons?
I think the 9:27 writer actually meant they had the gift of prophesy Acts 21:9 not that they were deacons but I can't say what they meant for certain.
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:09
I said dominion over the MAN. Don't be silly.
Women are supposed to have a sack over their head, keep their mouth shut, & sit in the back!
9:35
That is NOT what was suggested or implied. If you don't like what the Bible teaches, then it's your problem and not mine.
4:36 you have less in depth understanding of the Bible than anyone I have ever heard spout off about it in justifying your stupidity.
7:02
Please allow me to translate what you just said. I lack depth and understanding of the Bible, because I don't see it your way. Isn't that what you really mean? Such arrogance.
No 5:58 you lack depth of understanding the Bible because you use only small sections to try an justify your personal beliefs instead of using the Bible to form those beliefs. The real arrogance is in you pretending that only you can have the correct understanding of what the Bible says.
9:21
Your argument is not with me but with the clear teachings about the role of women in the church. Research it for yourself and then determine who is being arrogant in ignoring plain Bible teaching. Ok?
Different churches have different ideas of women in church. There are some religions that allow women to preach. And some don't allow women to take a big part.
Why does everything have to go to religion, because WAB is a preacher and someone wants to keep going about it.
It doesn't matter if you are a preacher or not. Everyone should act better than they do on this blog.
It doesn't matter if it's WAB or Janet V. you are running down same thing goes both ways.
And that would include "the preacher".
Seems most people miss the point of the Subject.
Our County Executive has proven many times over that she is not
truefull.
People by this time should have noticed she can not claim competency to serve in the position she holds, and also that she committed FRAUDE in running for the office as a resident of the County.
Wake up Giles County! It's Election Year. Time to get someone that will REPRESENT the People.
Both the D.A. and the Commission should do what is lawfull and Ouster her now.
7:55
Mrs. Vanzant has my vote, along with those of my extended family. And, because of what some of you guys are trying to pull off, be assured that I will be out campaigning for her. Keep it up. All your spewings are doing nothing but winning votes for her. Brilliant maneuver. Have you ever stopped to consider when it was that you started to be so angry and resentful toward Mrs. Vanzant?
By the way, wab's name came up during a large gathering not too long ago. Guesss what? You should have heard the crowd laughing. Does that tell you anything whatsoever?
Oh a gathering of Commissioners.
What WAB is saying hasn't convince me not to vote for Vanzant, you have with you smart no it all attitude.
7:20 pm, I included preachers and it certainly included you.
7:28
No, it was not a gathering of commissioners. Infact, it was a much much larger group, and the laughter was loud.
The know-it-all attitude belongs to someone besides me, and I think we both know who that is. I simply point out how wrong it is to do the things they do.
5:04 Who dey?
It's "dey" who think they have all the answers and nobody is asking the questions.
Which tells me nothing. How about an answer I can understand.
7:34
Ok. I'll take the bait. We both know that "dey" are the VVM (very vocal minority) who have been whining for the past few years. And they aren't going away. I wish to the Lord they would, but they are on a self-appointed mission to rid Giles County of corruption and run things the way they see fit. I'm just thankful that not too many people take them seriously.
Interesting. I have to differ with you about a minority of people in this area being unhappy with the local government. Obviously there must be many people. Didnt the city and county governments unite and finally put an end to the situation of the city mayor and economic positions being in conflict and bring about the change that so many citizens had complained about for several years. The two governments were forced to improve the situation and I doubt that would have come about if the complaints had only come from a minority. Then the public hearings about PES. Over 100 people attended those sessions. Changes for the better are still being made at PES and hopefully in both our city and county governments.
8:22 Amen. Cant see much changes in the city or county governt unless a crowd of disgruntled citizens protest. Cant be left to just a handful to get the changes we all want but the rest of us sit at home letting them try for the changes we want and I am just as guilty about that as anyone. Maybe we need a few tea parties here.
Still don't know if Barrett has a group or what but I do know he's done more to make positive changes in this place than anyone else. Seems like he's everywhere sometimes and bringing out things everyone else is afraid to even speak of. He's an inspiration to me and because of him I have become more involved and pay closer attention.
I first heard of Mr. Barrett when he got arrested at the School Board. I thought anyone willing to tackle that bunch of Jackals couldn't be all bad.
Since that time I have been a lot like Howard impressed with the fact he seems to be everywhere and doing everything. I have been in groups where his name has been mentioned and heard the curses from some rather important people in town. I have also been in groups where he has received nothing but praise from some of the same people. I guess it depends on whose Ox is being gored. The point is before Mr. Barrett got involved citizens were just not allowed to take part in the government unless they were the right kind of people.
Whether you agree or disagree with him, like him or dislike him you have to accept that he has made many changes for the better and has shown far more courage than I ever thought anyone in this town would.
I have met him two or three times at different places and each time found him to be very engaging, thoughtful and considerate. He is obviously passionate in his beliefs and well informed when he speaks, to some these are negatives but when compared to the mealy mouth circle talkers that have dominated this county since I was a child they are characteristics that are greatly appreciated and very welcomed by me and many others.
Thank you Mr. Barrett, thank you very much.
howard and wally
You are feeding his ego. And that is hardly productive to a better Giles County. It only encourages misbehavior and mischief. That's an opinion.
To 4:00 My ego is fine. I appreciate what Howard and Wally had to say and it is indeed encouraging but my actions are not dictated by either their support or your objections, it's just a matter of trying to do what's right, but you wouldn't know anything about that would you?
If you would get out and get involved you might take the same initiatives and become a productive citizen instead of sitting back whining about how terrible I am. Allen Barrett
wab...
Oh, but I beg to differ with you. Certainly, I know what's right and honorable, and so SHOULD you. And believe me, I am an active and involved citizen. It's just that I don't go along with what you guys are doing, so you feel that gives you license to speak badly of me. In my opinion, that's very unbecoming of a man who claims to be in the soul-winning business. Would you agree?
Why do you keep referring to Mr. Barrett's religion and profession. Why can't you challenge him on his ideas... is it because you have none?
Thus far you certainly have not shown any. Oh by the way knowing what is honorable and doing same are two different worlds. As the Bible says to know better and not do better is a far greater sin than simply not knowing. Shame on you.
6:36
Shame on me? Are you kidding? I'm not the one who claims one thing and does the opposite. With me, what you see is what you get. So shame on you for not being able to see what so clearly is in front of your eyes.
To 9:03 You are without question the most hypocritical person ever to write on this blog. You try to justify your contridictions by denying them when other can clearly see them. Your explainations are totally un-connected to questions asked about your contridictions.
If you are what you show to people you are indeed a very stupid and conniving person of dubious character.
1:43
Of course I seem stupid, hypocritical, conniving, and of dubious character to people like you. Why? Because I don't agree with you. And I don't see a hypocrite when I look into my mirror? Do you?
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