Giles Free Speech Zone

The purpose of the "Giles Free Speech Zone" is to identify problems of concern to the people of Giles County, to discuss them in a gentlemanly and civil manner, while referring to the facts and giving evidence to back up whatever claims are made, making logical arguments that avoid any use of fallacy, and, hopefully, to come together in agreement, and find a positive solution to the problem at hand. Help make a difference! Email "mcpeters@usit.net" to suggest topics or make private comments.

Wednesday, January 20, 2010

Commissioner Decides Not To Seek Re-Election?

The word is out that Commissioner Alan Faulkner from the 7th District is on of the first current Commissioners who has decided not to seek re-election. I have not been able to confirm this with Commissioner Faulkner but the sources are extremely reliable.
Will there be more who decide to retire? Allen Barrett

82 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great news. What about Mama?????

Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hope Bill Holt leaves and takes Campbell with him. Speer would have an fit!

Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh what a hoot 3:02 & 3:46. I totally agree with you both. Hoping you are not both the same person because we definitely need more Giles County voters who think this way.

Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you folks dont have a clue what you are talking about......none whatsoever.

Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:10
Oh, don't kid yourself. These people know exactly what they are trying to do. One of their tactics is to go after and discredit every single official they want out of the way. And I know what I'm talking about there. These people are quite clever and, in my opinion, dangerous if they ever get the power they so desperately seem to want.

Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tell me on thing that Faulkner has done that was not right? What about Mama? I thought she was a nice lady.

Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Alan Faulkner is a good Commissioner and Louise is a nice lady. And I know for a fact that she will vote the will of her people and won't be influence by so-called big wigs of this county.

Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But that's why some don't want them. They won't bow down to the big guys and gals. The big bad bullies like folks who will do what they say and want.

Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She is a nice lady but he voted to let beer joints be just 400 feet from a church or school.

Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heard a long time ago Allen was thinking about not running again because of the time it takes away from his job and he couldnt make all the meetings. Sounds the right thing to do.

Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lay off of Alan & Louise they are hard working christian people with common sense. We need more like them.

Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he is such a good Christian why would he vote to let beer joints be 400 ft from a church.

Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:19:00 PM
What?! Christians don't drink!? I never fail to learn something everyday on this blog.

Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I never said Christians don't drink just that very few would want a beer joint on the doorstep of their church.

Friday, January 22, 2010 8:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i know alan. He isnt running again b/c of the BS that goes with it. He had good intentions when he first decided to seek office. He wanted to try and make a positive difference in the community, but what he found is that it just isnt worth the headaches that go along with the job. He is tired of having to justify his decisions to every single person in giles county. You are always going to piss off someone, and ultimately, it just isnt worth the hassle. I know that there is no way that i would want to deal with the crap that they have to. Its hard enought to hear it from the educated, concerned folks(the minority) around here, but then you add in all the ignorant i-can-do-it-better-than-anyone-else people(the majority), and im quite sure that its unbearable at times.

Friday, January 22, 2010 9:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

9:19
The educated and concerned minority? The ignorant majority? Which group do you place yourself in?
You are wrong about your description of an ignorant majority. You see, the majority of people here are aware of what's going on, but they do not get on this blog and start accusing and trashing people like the so-called educated minority does. They are smart enough to recognize that elected officials are removed at the voting booth and not by witch hunts and cleverly designed assaults. Oh yes, they understand what's going on quite well.
As for the "I can do it better" mentality, I think that would better describe those more intelligent beings who wish they could be in charge. But they can't. Why? Because the ignorant majority, including me, will never vote them into office. They have tried and continue with "The Struggle", but it's not going to happen anytime soon.
Have you ever stopped to consider that some elected officials are getting out because of the constant assault being made by the malcontents (a very small minority)? You may argue that point if you wish, but I KNOW that has been the case in the past. I know some really great individuals from among the "ignorant majority" who would run for offices were it not for those who would attack them on every hand if they did not meet with their apporoval. Tell me how that is good for Giles County?

Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would place most....not all..that post on here to be a part of the ignorant majority...which i characterize as those that chime in here to simply criticize and ridicule others without offering any real solutions to our county's problem.

They bitch, whine, and moan about our elected officials, which would be fine if they were 100% accurate in their assesment..but what i see is that maybe 10% is factual, while the rest is nothing but hear-say and gossip that is fueled by nothing more than jealous and envy. The majority of posts are lacking in facts, or at least they never seem to post any REAL facts....just personal attacks that are insulting at best, and libel at worst.

As far as myself, i would place myself somewhere in the middle.
By the way, i do believe that the majority are ignorant. Notice that i didnt say 'stupid' as i dont believe that is the case at all. I just dont believe that most will put in the time and effort to learn the why, when, and where of how our tax dollars are being spent. If they(you, me, and anyone else) did that, then i believe that they would be surprised....and yes, definitely angry.

However, all i see on here is a bunch of crticism for the sake of criticism, offering up no real solutions at all...and in the process attacking others' character and credibility along the way.

If you are a lifelong giles countian(like me), then you know most everyone here. Now tell me that they are well versed in politics. You cant. Most dont have a clue about what goes on here. But they are mad....mad about no growth...mad about no jobs...mad about our public schools...mad about lots of things. There is nothing wrong with feeling that way, as times are hard, and ther doesnt look to be any 'real' relief anytime soon...but to lash out at others, trashing their character without firsthand knowledge and only relying on 'small town gossip' is wrong, in my opinion.

i am from giles county, and i do realize that there are a few wealthy folks that try their hardest to keep the 'status quo'. Until some things changs, there will never be any growth here, and pulaski will continue to die. I am very fortunate, in that my chosen profession allows my income to be in the top 1-2% of the county. That isnt meant to brag, b/c i have worked very hard to get where i am. I am from a very middle income family, and most of my friends/relatives are middle/low income, and that sucks. They stay here only b/c they are from here, and not because of any present (or future) job opportunites. If i knew of a way to help our county attract new jobs and industry, i would offer up solutions. Unfortunately, i dont. I just dont see that pointing fingers and trashing our elected officials' character helps the situation at all. Im not saying that when certain individuals screw up that they shouldnt be called out....on the contrary, im just saying that folks should stick to the facts without all of the personal attacks.

From what i read on here, it just seems like people are tossing stones carelessly, irregardless of who they hurt in the process. That is just my opinion.

Saturday, January 23, 2010 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:15
Excellent post. But I think most people stay here because of their families and friends. Add to that the fact that they simply love Giles County.
Many Giles Countians may be ignorant as to what is going on, but the fact that they are angry over the things you mentioned would seem, in my opinion, proof that at least a good number of them are informed about the politics of the county. They understand that problems can be corrected at the voting booth and not by cleverly concocting attacks on select individuals.
You are absolutely correct that trashing people on this blog is NOT the way to effect positive change. Those whiners you mentioned have done NOTHING for the betterment of Giles County. What they have succeeded in doing is the creation of distrust, hate, and alienation. In my opinion, those things are not conducive to growth and prsoperity. It seems that everyone is incompetent and crooked except for them. And it is very wrong that they would think that way.
I have suggested that those who are so critical of elected officials offer an olive branch instead of a cup of vinegar and show a will to work together. It amazes me why they think elected officials resent them. I would feel the same way were I a victim of what I see on this blog.
Thanks for a meaningful post.

Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:52 don't you get it you are a major part of what 11:15 is complaining about.

Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:53
I think what you and I have is a difference of opinion. I call it just like I see it. It's too bad that you can't.

Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish all you bashers would get qualifing papers and run for office. You will find out that it is not as easy to change things as you think. Stop bashing the officials & work with them.

Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:18
They can't get elected. But they would blame it on the ignorance of Giles Countians for not recognizing how smart they are. They have all the answers, and none of us are asking them the questions.

Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Howard said...

They have gotten elected in some districts and some things have changed for the better.
Those people you complain about as being "malcontents" are taxpaying people who have taken an interest in where their money is being spent and don't like what they see and have decided to do something about it. Too bad you don't take an interest instead of safely sitting back whining under your anonymous rock.

Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

howard...
You said "they" got elected in some areas. I think you just admitted that there is an organized effort underway to take control of Giles County by a little group who think they have all the answers.. Am I wrong?
Oh, by the way, I am a taxpaying AND law-abiding citizen who has a right to my opinions as well and to oppose you if I so choose.

Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to know how many of you went to church today? You need to get your mind off the anger and bitterness that some of you have. Ask God to help you help the ones in office and maybe things will be better for you. Also how many of you have ever talked to an elected official to their face and told them you were not happy about things. You know that is what they are there for to know what their district wants. Call them up and tell them what's on your mind. You will be surprised how much better all of you would feel. Thanks for listening and take what I have said to heart.

Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:39
Exactly! This is what I have been suggesting to wab and others who seem so filled with hate and jealousy. Why is it that they don't pray for them instead of constantly trying to stab them in the heart? This is particularly troublesome for those individuals who proclaim a kinship with God.
Excellent post.

Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:55:00 PM  
Anonymous wab said...

Let me assure you, as I have said before, I have no personal animosity toward any elected or appoint official in Giles County and I have never, never not one time stated any criticism of an issue without having spoken with the official with which I had a concern. I challenge anyone to identify them self and declare that I have not been fair with them. Yes I ask some hard questions and make some unpopular points but that is my responsibility as a citizen.
I have tried to approach officials in a reasonable manner to which I have been lied too, lied about, locked up, and denied the opportunity to exercise basic rights guaranteed under our Constitution.
There is no instance of me "attacking" anyone on a personal level, as has been falsely claimed by my anonymous nemesis. Everything I have written on this blog I have put my name to it and supplied evidence to support my statements, even my anonymous nemesis has stated he has no problem with the truthfulness of my statements only the manner and tone he perceives them to have been stated in. Because I may disagree with someone politically doesn't mean we can't be friends. Most of the people are very open to input from the public and are trying to do what they believe is best however as in all walks of life there are some who have grown lazy and arrogant in their responsibilities.
As for praying for people I pray for people all the time and hope they pray for me but I don't make a public issue of it after being told on this blog by a reader they didn't want me to pray for them.
I have been accused by people who have no knowledge of me or my background, of being hate filled, arrogant and unworthy of being in the ministry all of which is based solely on their personal feelings without any factual substantiation.
I try to stay informed about things and simply remain quiet when the subject is one I know nothing about. I am passionate about the things I believe, speak plainly and get frustrated with people who treat others as fools. I am open for discussion of any subject with any person and try to treat everyone with the same respect with which I am treated. I have a long record of standing up for what I believe is right, those in need and those being abused or taken advantage of. If you can't handle that I'm sorry for you but I hope to remain as I am until it is revealed to me that a change is needed. Allen Barrett

Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:39 Its none of your business who did and didnt go to church today. What authority do you have to even ask a nosey personal question?

Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 3:39 was not directed to mr. Barrett, it was to the one that seems to take things out of proportion. Why do some people get so angry when other express their views? If you are not sure something is true don't say it and I am sure Mr. Barrett checks out his stories before they are sumitted.

Monday, January 25, 2010 12:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12.06 Never thought your question was directed to mr. Barrett but to the public at large. Again, none of your business and not angry only pointing out your question was out of order.

Monday, January 25, 2010 6:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wab...
It is also your responsibility as a preacher to refrain from behaving as you do and from tolerating some of the vulgar language that's often posted on this blog. Both are outraqeous and extremely unbecoming of you.
You claim to have a long record of standing up for what is right. Well, what makes you think those in elected offices are not doing exactly the same?
Finally, I think there are several who have been trying to "reveal" to you that it's time for a change. And if you can't handle that, then I pity you. And I do not think Christ treated everyone with only the respect that was shown him. Do you?

Monday, January 25, 2010 6:24:00 AM  
Anonymous wab said...

To 6:24 You define the way you believe a "preacher" should behave and I'll define the way I believe one should behave. Seldom will there be full agreement among all people as to how anyone should behave. Many were appalled by the behavior of Jesus and Paul, even Billy Graham has had his critics. Martin Luther King Jr. was severely criticized for his behavior and Pat Robertson is currently under fire for comments made about Haiti. The only preachers that have never been criticized for their behavior are those who have never taken a stand on any issue.
You very well know that my policy is to delete "profanely indecent" language from this blog as soon as I am aware of it. Surely you are aware that vulgar is not necessarily profanity or indecent, yet you try to set up a smoke screen with the term vulgar in an effort to censor speech you simply do not agree with.
My claim to having a long record of standing up for what's right is very easily confirmed by simply looking at the facts of my life. I have absolutely no thought nor have I ever expressed any thought that there are people in public office who do not defend what's right or seek to develop what's right and better. However, there are some as I have shown by presented facts who do not have the integrity, honesty or character that seeks what is right for anyone other than themselves.
As for the behavior of Christ perhaps you need to do a bit more extensive study of Him before making claims about Him. While I certainly could never compare with the character of Christ I do not see a total disconnect between my behavior and His. What manner of respect was Christ showing to the money changers and merchants in the temple as he took a whip to them? What manner of respect was He showing to the Pharisees when He referred to them as "vipers", "hypocrites", children of the devil? Perhaps you should read Matt. 15:26 where Jesus refers to non-Jews as "dogs", was that respectful? You see the greater respect was to God not man.
Even greater comparative behavior might be that of Christ with lesser
men such as Peter, Paul, David, or any of the prophets. Do I fall short, certainly but the thing is, I will answer to God for my behavior not to you.
Now, barring further false accusation or until you can come up with something more substantial than your "feelings" and can develop the integrity to identify yourself with your unfounded and inane charges our conversation is ended. Allen Barrett

Monday, January 25, 2010 9:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 6:24 Do you attend church by yourself? I can not see anyone else being worthy of your self-righteous company. None are so blind as he who will not see.

Monday, January 25, 2010 10:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:24, Mr. Barret answered your train of thought~quite well actually~apparently you'll hear nothing you don't want to even sound reason I mean what does being a preacher have to do with not being able to point out lies? nothing~as for the vulgarity that happens~that's a perfect catch 22 for you, because if he edited out something written~you'd be the first to cry "fowl" or favoritism because he deleted an opposing view. This blog could be constructive were it not for distracters~if for nothing else being aware of what happens. Really, how would you know when you approached a commissioner/official about a subject but didn't have the knowlege about something they maybe had said at another meeting~that's how they become unaccountable sometimes~keeping people in the dark~I actually think that some of the people in question really can't keep track of their stories as they try to keep everyone happy~they unwittingly contradict themselves.

Monday, January 25, 2010 12:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:24 it takes a very small person to question anyone's behavior when your behavior is as cowardly and reprehensible as it is. You are an embarrassment to every thing decent and Christian.

Monday, January 25, 2010 4:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wab...
No matter how you slice it and regardless of the number of cheerleaders and apologists you have, the fact remains that your behavior is unbecoming of a preacher. You know that. But of course you would never in a million years admit it. Instead you place yourself in a group composed of such men as Revered King and Billy Graham.
You also know very well that Christ, the apostles, and others referred to people as dogs, vipers, hypocrites, etc. because they were were in rebellion to God and in need of conversion. In my opinion,that is not what you are trying to do. I would still ask why you don't pray for those you think so evil and corrupt instead of trashing them.
Lastly, I didn't accuse you of anything, false or otherwise. What I did do is offer my opinion, based on what I see. Admittedly, you have considerably toned down your rhetoric in the past few months, and that is commendable. I hope you will continue to improve in that respect.

Monday, January 25, 2010 5:14:00 PM  
Anonymous alf said...

So you didn't accuse WAB of behavior unsuitable of a preacher? It sure looked like you did to me. If lying isn't an act of rebellion against God why if it's one of the Commandmends.
I think WAB said he did pray for other people but I wonder how you would would know if he does or don't did God send you a vision?
I think WAB made it clear he wasn't comparing himself to anyone much less those he mentioned he just said they were considered troublemakers and criticized for their behavior.
You sir are one weird self righteous nut.

Monday, January 25, 2010 5:56:00 PM  
Anonymous curious carl said...

To: 5:14 , I am just curious as to your terminology: Why did you say, "Reverend King" and the more familiar "Billy Graham"? I think both men did much good work and just wondered why you made that distinction. I guess more importantly though is the fact that either man being referred to as "Reverend" bothers me a great deal because my BIBLE say that "Reverence belongs to GOD."
I apologize for the off topic comment. My curiosity got the best of me.

Monday, January 25, 2010 6:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

alf..
I surely did, and I make no apology for that. It's my opinion, remember? And you, sir, are a great cherleader.

To curious carl...
I'd be careful about using the label of :curious" if I were you. Some people might make hay with that one!
As for my reference to the Reverend King, I meant absolutely no slight to the Reverend Graham. And I would agree with you that reverence only belongs to God. But the title of reverend is a title that man has adopted, and I don't agree with it. I was merely showing my respect for the Reverend King and the Reverend Graham. Some preachers call themselves pastors as well, and I believe that is a designation meant for elders in the local church. But I'm not going to get all worked up over some term men use to describe themselves. Ok?
Why would you think Billy Graham is more noteworthy than Martin Luther King? Just curious.

Monday, January 25, 2010 8:57:00 PM  
Anonymous alf said...

To 8:57 I may be a cheerleader but you are a stupid liar I can stop cheering at any time but you will always be a stupid liar. You don't pay attention to the contradictions that come out of both sides of your mouth.
AT 5:14 you said "Lastly, I didn't accuse you of anything, false or otherwise" then you turn right around and say in response to the question "So you didn't accuse WAB of behavior unsuitable of a preacher"? and you say "I surely did, and I make no apology for that". Either you can't see the contradiction because you are too stupid or just too corrupt. On second thought you're just a stupid liar, my opinion of course.
The other proof of your cowardice is in your answer to "curious carl"
when you stated "I would agree with you that reverence only belongs to God. But the title of reverend is a title that man has adopted, and I don't agree with it. I was merely showing my respect for the Reverend King and the Reverend Graham".
If you don't agree with something why would you take part in it? If you don't think it is right why would you do it? The problem is that you are just too cowardly and unprincipled to take a stand. Too weak to do anything but go with the wind. What a sad little person you are no wonder you attack everyone from under your anonymous rock.

Monday, January 25, 2010 9:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

alf...
How ironic that you would, other than call me a nasty name, suggest that I can't stop posting on this blog. I say that, because I have been thinking about doing just that. Why? Because I know you guys wouldn't have anyone but one or two faithful left to oppose what you are doing, although I know the ones who are so wantonly crucified on this forum do not read this mess anyhow.
Should I decide to do that, one or both of two things will happen. You will start fighting among yourselves over which one of you is the most intelligent or the blog will die from lack of discourse.
Look, I meant what I said about the one you so greatly admire. I have zero respect for him and YES, he's arrogant and obnoxious. Just because you don't see him in that light does not make it a false accusation. I was describing his behavior...to use his terminology.
Now, I have never gotten on this blog and accused anyone of dishonesty, incompetence, corruption, infidelity, and etc. I simply point out the fact that it's wrong to trash people in a public way.
Look, if I had been so fortunate as to have introduced Martin Luther King or Billy Graham before a huge audience or just to my friends, I would use the title of reverend while making the introduction. I suppose you would just call them Billy or Martin? It's a matter of respect and courtesy.
You clal me cowardly and unprincipled. Oh, you couldn't be more wrong my equally anonymous friend. You don't know me at all. And no, I only attack the attackers. But if I decide to stop, I'll let you know so you can find sopmething else to do with your time.
Are we through splitting hair now?

Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:30
Don't stop posting the blog will die. What would we do for entertainment?

Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:10:00 AM  
Anonymous alf said...

To 6:30 Once again you begin with a lie. "How ironic that you would, other than call me a nasty name, suggest that I can't stop posting on this blog". Nowhere have I said anything suggesting such a thing so once again you have revealed your lack of integrity through your cowardly lies.
I'm sure all the readers of this blog appreciate your sacrifice, (martyr complex) to keep this blog alive and providing the necessary peacekeeping needed to keep readers from killing each other you are truly a humanitarian (great sarcasm intended).
You say "Just because you don't see him in that light does not make it a false accusation" nor does it make it a true accusation only your opinion. What people on here have asked you to do is simply give something other than your feelings to support that opinion. No one has criticized you having opinions only not being able to support them.
Your claim to have never gotten on here and accuse anyone of dishonesty is a complete distortion of reality. Many occasions exist where you called, referred or accused people of dishonesty, you have even on occasion implied Mr. Barrett is dishonest by simply claiming to be a minister of the Gospel.
Your comments seeking to justify your lack of character in using the term reverend is so spineless it pales in the light of cowardice. You said "Look, if I had been so fortunate as to have introduced Martin Luther King or Billy Graham before a huge audience or just to my friends, I would use the title of reverend while making the introduction. I suppose you would just call them Billy or Martin? It's a matter of respect and courtesy". If as you previously stated that reverence should be given only to God how can you justify this statement other than to say what men think is more important than what God has said. Were I to introduce such men I would do as I always have with others refer to them as Pastor or Brother.
You complain "You clal me cowardly and unprincipled. Oh, you couldn't be more wrong my equally anonymous friend". As the old saying goes "the proof is in the pudding" so far all you have proven is that you are cowardly and very unprincipled. I understand you are a legend in your own mind but thank goodness not everyone is of the same mind.
As for being anonymous I have at least put my initials on here so readers can at least follow what I write.

Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about Mr. Wheel? Will he be brave enough to run again?

Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Curious Carl said...

Curious Carl here: to whomever asked why I felt Billy Graham was more noteworthy than Dr. King. I apologize if I inferred that in my question. I wondered why the term Reverend was used for Dr. King and not Billy Graham. It seems the original poster did the same thing I did and gave an erroneous impression that one was favored over the other. I think I am correct in assuming that neither of us meant any slight to either respected minister. I mean no disrespect when I refrain from addressing a preacher as Reverend, but I am uncomfortable with the title. I also agree that according to my interpretation, pastor and elder are synonyms but pastor and preacher are not. The difference here, in my OPINION is that an elder may also be a preacher, (shouldn't we all be in a way) and there is to my knowledge no direct instruction in the BIBLE regarding the title of elder/pastor belonging to God. It's a judgment call in my opinion and I am not prepared to make that judgment.
Again, I did not mean to favor either great man referred to in the original post, and once again I apologize for the off topic comment.
Curious Carl

Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

alf...
I never accused wab of dishonesty. But I did suggest hypocrisy, and that is my opinion. Ok?
You continue to split hair with me and call me all sorts of nasty names. But that's ok. I don't need your approval of what I mean about reverends and reverence. I stand by what I said. I realize that reverence belongs only to God, but many preachers prefer to be called reverend. And, while I don't agree with it, I would call them Reverend Grham or Reverend King simply out of courtesy. What's so hard to understand about that? I think you want to play "gotcha" with me, and it's not working. But you go right ahead introducing preachers however you please; I'll do the same.
I never said I'm a legend in my own mind. Those are your words.

To Carl...
I think you and I would be in total agreement that, according to the Bible, a pastor is in fact an elder. They (elders or pastors) were put in the church for the purpose of overseeing the work of the local congregation. My referral to Mr. King as "a reverend" and not to Billy Graham was simply an oversight. I never meant to slight Mr. Graham in any way whatsoever. And, while I don't think that, in my opinion, a preacher should call himself reverend, I still respect the man-made title they attach to their names. For example, I would never refer to Dr. Balatico as Ferdinand. To me, it would be rude and disrespectful.
Thank you for the post, and I too apologize if I offended you. You seem a kind and rational person.

Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For the record, i am a dr, and while i appreciate the courtesy and respect, if i had my ruthers, I actually prefer my patients address me by my first name. Those that demand the "title" be attached to their name are being petty, imo.

Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:07:00 PM  
Anonymous carl said...

Carl here: I was not offended and am glad to know that I was correct in my assumption that it was simply an oversight. I do wish more folks would assume the best until proven wrong rather than the opposite. As far as referring to Doctors by the title, I personally believe that they have earned that title, and would never call a doctor by their first name unless they were a close friend or invited to do so. I have requested of some people to address me by my first name rather than title on some occasions but not on others. Familiarity has it's place as does formality.
Carl

Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:30:00 PM  
Anonymous alf said...

To 4:09 You must be putting on an act no one could be as dumb as you seem and not be hospitalized.
You state "I never accused wab of dishonesty. But I did suggest hypocrisy". What do you consider hypocrisy to be other than dishonesty? I suppose having spent your life immersed in hypocrisy you can't see a difference without having to admit your own dishonesty.
The word reverend is derived from the word reverence which means "worthy of reverence". To refer to someone as "reverend" implies that they are "worthy of reverence". As you have stated only God is worthy of reverence but then you say you are willing to compromise that belief in order to gain favor with man. It's like saying you are opposed to stealing but if your friend said it was OK you'd steal.
That is why you have no integrity, character or principle that you are willing to stand up for and that is what makes you a coward.
You have called me a cheerleader for WAB well the thing I see that is so different in you and WAB is the fact that whether you agree with him or not you have to respect the fact that what he believes he stands up for and puts his name on it you on the other hand have no reason for community respect because you have no self respect and never will have as long as you as just a vapor in the wind going in any direction the wind happens to blow in. Your behavior and cowardice are reprehensible.

Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:42
Oh alf, what am I gonna do with you? You are so venomous in your spewings. And yuou have the nerve to suggest that I need to be hospitalized? Ridiculous.
Ok, let's split hair once more. You mentioned that hypocrisy and dishonesty are one and the same. Wrong. Sometimes the hypocrite either doesn't realize his or her hypocrisy or is too egotistical to accept glaring proof of its existence. A dishonest person knows it from the start
Your attack on my integrity and character is offensive and rude, but that's fine. I try to overlook people like you and understand that there's nothing I could ever do to change them.
Look, your zeal for wab is commendable, but don't tell me that I am reprehensible, cowardly, unprincipled, lacking in community and self-respect just because I don't share your adoration for the one you so admire.
You really seem to be troubled by the anonymous posts. Well, who are you? That seems hypocritical as well, don't you think?

Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:07:00 AM  
Anonymous alf said...

To 6:07 the word HYPOCRISY means a pretending to be what one is not or to believe what one does not.
DISHONESTY is characterized by a lack of truth, or trustworthiness. It's deceitful, untruthful and unworthy of trust.

To me hypocrisy is clearly a matter of dishonesty and you fit the bill.
The hypocrite knows deep down what they really are and no amount of denial or rationalization will change that. That is why they continually fear being exposed.
Now I did not attack your integrity or character you simply have none to attack. Could you change that certainly as many others have by becoming people of character and principle.
I have no "zeal" for WAB as I said I have a certain amount of respect for him or anyone who has a belief and willingness to defend that belief. You are reprehensible and cowardly not because you dislike WAB but because you have no beliefs worthy of your defense. You are "a double minded man, unstable in all your ways", "a child tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the trickery of men in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting".
The thing about being anonymous isn't that you are unknown but that your writings can't be fully connected and you can make some of the most outrageous claims while maintaining denyability. Whither I identify myself by my name or initials or just a pseudonym you probably still wouldn't know who I am but would be able to follow my postings more accurately.

Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

alf...
Look, I have a dictionary, and I understand the definitions of the concepts in question. Yes, an individual can be so egotistical that he or she cannot see or accept that he may be a hypocrite. I suppose the same could be said about dishonesty, but that is much more unlikely to be the case. I think a dishonest person knows it, but I truly believe a hypocrite can be too puffed up to see anything hypocritical about self.
Yes, you DID attack my integrity by calling me a host of nasty names for which I am offended. Just because I don't see eye-to-eye with you doesn't make me any of the derogatory names you called me.
You mentiuoned the scripture wherein man can be tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine by the cunning and craftiness (trickery) of man. Isn't that a pretty accurate description of Hook, Line, and Sinker Syndrome for which you appear to be suffering? In my opinion, I believe it is.
Please don't talk down to me by saying I wouldn't even klnow who you are by your ridiculous pseudonym. You're not that smart, and I'm certainly not as dumb as you think.
Ok, your turn to spew.

Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:57:00 PM  
Anonymous alf said...

Glad you have a dictionary now if you would only read it.
I never called you a single name because you don't see eye-to-eye with me but because that is the behavior you exhibit.
The reference I gave you was a reflection of your lack of conviction to your stated beliefs. A person who is so compromising as to be moved by any ole wind that blows is a person who can't be trusted, maybe when you're not reading your dictionary you should try studying your Bible.
I apologize for making you feel like I was talking down to you the problem is trying to talk with someone under a rock it just naturally comes across as talking down. I agree I'm probably not that smart but are really that dumb.

Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

alf...
Wrong again. Be assured that I have lots of conviction when I see a small group of people in this county undertake to trash those individuals they want to get out of the way for whatever reasons. My conviction has been and remains to point that out and to oppose those tactics. Ok?
I'm sorry; I forgot that you were merely describing my behavior (wab's excuse) when you were calling me a coward, a reprehensible person, and etc. It was just an oversight on my part.
How dare you, in all your arrogance, suggest that I study my Bible! I do that regularly, although it's none of your business. Maybe I will come across some scriptures that teach me how to treat my fellow man. When I do, would you like me to pass some of them along to you?
You didn't make me feel bad by your condescending remark. I just asked you not to pull that stunt.
By the way, you can improve your smarts by starting to think for yourself and by no longer being a part of the hatred that is clearly seen on this blog. Did I say leave the blog? No. Just stop being tossed to and fro by the spewings of the ones who hate.

Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:25:00 AM  
Anonymous alf said...

Ok 6:25 I'll heed your last comment and stop responding to you. Oh if you are studying your Bible why wouldn't you already know how to treat others?
By the way changing the subject doesn't create any convictions in you that relate to the things you have demonstrated to be void of. You have a good day in your imaginary world.

Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bash - bash - bash + whine - whine - whine. There is nothing new under the sun.

At one time, I thought this blog served a useful purpose in which well meaning citizens could express their well-reasoned thoughts.

Alas, I was overly optimistic.

Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

alf...
Trust me, I do know how NOT to treat others. I don't go around trying to discredit and belittle those who may not agree with me. I was simply asking if you would like me to pass along some scriptures to you on how you ought to treat others.

Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

512 Pathetically, you simply do not value or consider right from wrong. Your only concern is "opinion", in a vacuum of understanding, civility, morality, or law.

You and satan can recite scripture very well, unfortunately only from the same twisted & deceptive "spin".

Monday, February 01, 2010 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:12 You said: I don't go around trying to discredit and belittle those who may not agree with me.

What do you call what you do to WAB and others you think agree with him?

Monday, February 01, 2010 12:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:06
Like I said, I don't go around trying to discredit and belittle those who might not agree with me. What I do is call those to task who do so. Why is that so hard to understand? For example, when one of them calls someone corrupt, I would suggest that, rather than call names, they pray for that individual or at least go to that person and discuss the matter. Is that not the Christian thing to do? You know it is. And I am astounded that one professing Christianity refuses to acknowledge that clear Bible teaching.

Monday, February 01, 2010 3:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:06
Like I said, I don't go around trying to discredit and belittle those who might not agree with me. What I do is call those to task who do so. Why is that so hard to understand? For example, when one of them calls someone corrupt, I would suggest that, rather than call names, they pray for that individual or at least go to that person and discuss the matter. Is that not the Christian thing to do? You know it is. And I am astounded that one professing Christianity refuses to acknowledge that clear Bible teaching.

Monday, February 01, 2010 3:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dufus - ever hear what happened with the mite infested doves & money changers? Don't like that story? Better get some asbestos underware? Didn't work for the panty bomber & won't work for you.

Monday, February 01, 2010 3:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:06 What a glaringly transparent description you wrote on justifying your own behavior which is identical to what you accuse WAB of. How arrogant you sounded when you stated "I call them to task". Why is it that so many do not get that this blog is for discussing public issues and stating opinions. NOBODY has to be right or wrong. State what you think and why. It's called blogging. If an individual has additional info that proves someone wrong, put it out there, without slamming the other poster's ideas. They, as will everyone figure it out. It is NOT anyone's job to run interference for any public official. If they choose to use this forum for their agenda, they let them. I'm fairly sure anyone smart enough to get elected would not be stupid enough to hire an anonymous poster to defend them. I just don't see where anybody has the right to assume they should police other's opinions. Personally when I see an anonymous person defending a public official against private verbal attack, I am NOT gonna support that person. If they can't speak up for themself, they don't deserve my vote. If they remain silent against anonymous posts, I respect that only until an anonymous takes it upon themselves to defend them.; that makes me suspicious. Some people need to learn that you don't have to agree or convert anybody...just speak your mind on issues, allow others their opinion, and maybe just grow up a little!
Carl

Monday, February 01, 2010 4:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

carl
I apologized to you once, but not this time. It IS my right to point out the wrongness of a select few individuals getting on a blog and calling people names and attempting to belittle and hurt them. It's not right, and I don't need you or anyone else telling me I shouldn't do it. And I'm no self-appointed defender of those who refuse to play this game. Furthermore, and finally, I'll be glad to grow up as you call it and stop posting altogether when all this mess stops. I have a right to post my opinions. If, in my opinion, it's wrong to call people names and try to ruin them in the community, do I not have the right to say it's wrong? I believe I have as much right to point that out as certain individuals do to openly clal others liars! Thank you.

Monday, February 01, 2010 6:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes you do and so does wab....
Carl

Monday, February 01, 2010 7:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

carl...
Yes, we both have a right to our opinions. And anyone, including me, has a responsibility to point it out when he starts in with the attacks and name-calling. But, as I've said before, he has toned down his rhetoric a lot in recent months, and I hope he will continue to improve and come to a realization that he, in his position, should not be party to such nasty mess.

Monday, February 01, 2010 10:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dufus - If you say it's right, it's gottabe wrong. If you say wrong everyone knows it's really right.

you're upside down & kattywampus. If your arms were were an inch longer, you could walk on your knuckles & skip along instead of waddle.

Got to have a sense of humor in this ozone layer dufus dominates

Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:33
I would call you irrelevant, but I'm not into calling names as you are.

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Since when!!!!!!!!!

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:52
Please cite examples (or facts) as to what names I've called anyone. But i will admit to "describing behavior" every now and then. I thought that was acceptable.

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 3:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Alan Faulkner does decide not to seek re-election he would be making a wise decision.

Friday, February 05, 2010 12:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He would have my vote. But I really don't think he will run. He's sick of the attacks by the VVM (very vocal minority). That's an opinion based on fairly accurate information.

Friday, February 05, 2010 6:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Bye Faulkner, Janet can take the heat.

Friday, February 05, 2010 9:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

615 - why don't you crawl back in your hole & deficate on yourself.

Sick of hearing your dribbling

Friday, February 05, 2010 3:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:56
Now if I did that, who would you have to argue with? Your life would become so meaningless.

Friday, February 05, 2010 4:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Carl said...

The following statement was copied and pasted because I wanted to make sure I read it correctly:
"I don't go around trying to discredit and belittle those who might not agree with me. What I do is call those to task who do so."
Now maybe I am slightly dense, but it seems to me that the writer of this redundant statement, 2/1/10 3:22 pm is a classic case of justification: Isn't what that sentence says in other words is "I don't belittle those who disagree with but I call them to task."? Interesting way to live life. Personally I don't belittle those who disagree with me, I discuss and sometimes agree to disagree. Different strokes I guess...
Carl

Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

carl..
No, you are wrong to accuse me of belittling others who may disagree with what I have to say. You seem to be the expert at that when you call people like me hypocrites, cowards, and on and on. And you have the nerve to say that you don't belittle others. Poppycock! So who is actually doing the belittling? I merely point out that it's wrong to do those things. Therefore, I stand by what I said. And, by the way, there are others who feel the same as I do about that.

Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Carl said...

Hey anon 3:07 your words, I just copied and pasted-But justifying what one does while pointing out how negative it is for another to do the exact same thing is something most of us are quite good at.
Carl

Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

carl...
No, you are wuite the expert. I simply point out your expertise at calling names. By the way, I hope you will keep your promise and not talk to me ever again. Thank you.

Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My, my 6:37 seems like you can't take a little criticism when your own words are used to provide that criticism. Maybe you need to toughen up or better yet just man up for once.

Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:15
Wrong again. Go back and read the post. What I said in that post is exactly what I am doing...nothing more. I simply call attention to the ones who are involved in the name-calling and nasty remarks. I hope this will clear up your misunderstanding.

Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The thing thatbothers me is people will run for commissioner and not have ever been to a commission meeting of any sort. How can you be qualifed if you don't know nothing about what the commission is doing? That seems to be the problem now to many commissioners don't know what they are doing. Even the county exec don't even know how to run a meeting

Wednesday, March 10, 2010 2:28:00 PM  

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