Victory Over The Wheel Tax
Congratulations to all the horn honkers, phone callers, sign holders and especially to those Commissioners who listened to those they represent. It was your efforts that forced the withdrawal of the Wheel Tax resolution. The resolution was withdrawn without a vote because of a lack of support from the Commissioners.
While we may not know with absolute certainty who the Commissioners were that would have voted for this odorous resolution we do commend those who said they were against it.
This is a victory for all the citizens in the county.
While we may not know with absolute certainty who the Commissioners were that would have voted for this odorous resolution we do commend those who said they were against it.
This is a victory for all the citizens in the county.
posted by Allen Barrett | 11:45 AM
191 Comments:
WAB,
I told you last week that they were going to delay the vote to talk to the citizens about it. You can find that in one of my posts. This morning had nothing to do with it. It will be voted on in the future.
DAW
DAW
Talk to the citizens my butt! If this Resolution had been voted on and passed, it was to have gone to the legislature for approval with no imput from the citizens which is why it was tried as a private act by Campbell and Holt. The kind of postings you made above DAW, is why most people don't set much store by your erroneous statements.
1:35,
It is the truth! They knew all along that they wouldn't have enough commissioner support to approve it. They decided that it would be best to let people know why it was needed and try to get more support.
They had a town hall meeting in Lynnville last thursday evening. Hardly anyone showed up. The commissioners in the 4th district are trying. I can't speak for the rest of them.
Thanks,
DAW
It sounded like some kind of Trucker's festival around the square at 8-45 this morning .
Which goes to prove that citizens CAN make themselves heard when they want to .
There needs to be more of that -maybe next time around the homes of the power-crazy commissioners who keep coming up with these stupid schemes to keep their cousins employed by the county . WHEN will G C government learn that budgets CAN be balanced by TRIMMING STAFF OR CUTTING WAGES/BENEFITS much easier than raising taxes. Business managers do it all the time .
WOOPS I forgot .......GC has NO business managers , just cousins and friends to feed and water . Welcome to the Giles County Family Benevolent Association ...they meet every weekday at the courthouse and annex !
No one has ask you to s-peak for them DAW. Since you do not know what you are talking about in the first place. As far as it coming up again you can count it dead in the water. Mr. Know It All.
3:10;
It will come up again. You should start to see some articles in the paper about it soon. Thanks for resorting to the name calling, as usual. But please tell me why you think it will not come up again? Another question, do you own property?
Thank You,
DAW
DAW
How did your meeting go with Allen Barrett?
I haven't met with him yet. I will let you know when I do.
DAW
WAB,
Can you tell me if you had a topic about Dr. Wynn and the police dept? I have had no luck in looking through the archives. The date of post would be helpful.
Thanks,
DAW
DAW
If the commissioners who sponsored the Wheel Tax Resolution knew all along they didn't have enough votes for it to pass, why did they introduce the resolution in the first place? Doesn't make sense.
As far as articles being in the newspaper re the need for a wheel tax, why did Highway department's Barry Hyatt state today that the county didn't need a wheel tax or a tax rate increase but that all departments should cut their budgets just as he did. Can it be Barry Hyatt is being used as a scapegoat on this wheel tax issue?
DAW
If the 4th District Commissioners announced that there was to have been a town haal meeting, say on the WKSR web site, peoiple would have shown up.
The 3 from the highway dept. said that in the past they had been able to repair about 100 miles of road per year. The last few it had reduced to 60. This years budget was at around 40, and according to Mrs. Garner, will now be less. Mr. Hyatt explained to everyone, the place in which cost had risen. He said that he had no way to cut the budget without decreasing service. Mr. Hyatt showed no opposition to the wheel tax during the highway meeting. I am sure that if he thinks that other departments cut budgets, the highway dept. should get the extra money for roads. I would agree with that.
When Mrs. Garner brought up the wheel tax, it was met with criticism and discussion for need. Two of the highway committee members said that we needed it, but they couldn't vote for it because they told people in their district they wouldn't when they ran for office.
Let it be known that I RESPECT them for that. They should never lie to the people that voted them in. However, if they know that it is needed, they should talk to people in the district before casting a no vote.
After the very short budget meeting, several other commissioners said that they knew it was needed, but would never vote for it because they thought it wouldn't pass.
It was pretty much known by all involved that there would not be enough support for it at this time. Mrs. Garner said that if the commissioners would talk to the citizens to let them know that they would be paying a tax on cars to go directly to roads, there might be positive feedback.
If a 60% decrease in service doesn't justify finding an increase in revenue, then I guess what I learned at MMC doesn't apply to todays business standards. Maybe the citizens can pitch in with their neighbors to have their roads repaired. Maybe the few miles that does get repaired will be the ones my family drives on to avoid the risk of injury or death.
Thanks,
DAW
DAW
I repeat - Barry Hyatt stated today the county did NOT need a wheel tax or a tax rate increase.
And what you leared at MMC a few years back certainly does not now apply in today's world. The whole world economy has changed, like it or not, and it will never return to what it was.
Did your prof at MMC tell you about the unemployed, sick and elderly in Giles county that just do not have another penny to give to Giles county government or was your prof living under the impression all people in this county have very deep pockets?
I spoke with several commissioners this morning and no one other than Commissioner Campbell admitted knowing the resolution had been pulled sometime last Friday.
This appeared on the WKSR website today.
"With the sound of car horns blaring from the street below, County Executive Janet Vanzant announced that Resolution 2011-28 would be pulled from the agenda of the Giles County Commission meeting today. The resolution, if approved, would have asked the State Legislature for permission to impose a $50 Wheel Tax in Giles County with proceeds going to the Giles County Highway Department.
Vanzant did not give a reason why the resolution was pulled from the agenda, but in an interview with WKSR, State Representative Eddie Bass stated that he felt there would not be adequate time to pass the resolution through the state legislature. Commissioner Tommy Campbell, one the sponsors of the resolution, stated that the resolution was pulled from the agenda late Friday."
Will this issue come up again you can just about bet it will, unless fiscal discipline is adopted and appropriate actions are taken to get control of the outrageously wasteful spending.
Certainly highways need to be maintained and there may be things the Highway Department could have done differently but the problem was not birthed in the Highway Department and that is the only Department in the system that has actually cut their budgets almost all the others have increased their budgets.
Last year the public was told that the budget of every department “WAS” cut 10%. I n a budget meeting I asked if they were all cut 10% why did they receive more money than the year before.
Now for the matter of informing the public in order to gain their support, I must ask the question if the leaders of this wheel tax movement won’t even answer their phones or speak to individuals about the wheel tax why would anyone actually believe they will meet with a group of citizens and allow questions to be asked and answered. Does anyone remember the public meetings for the Budget and the number of questions that were answered? Does anyone remember the County Executive ever staying at a political meeting during the campaign and actually answering a question? You can count on more attempts to be made to push the wheel tax down our throats but don’t hold your breath until any but a few commissioners allow us to ask and have questions answered.
I spoke with Mr. Hyatt this morning and his position as Highway Director appropriately is that he told the committee what the facts were with his budget and what that actually meant to his department. It is not his place to suggest how his department is funded therefore he took no position for or against the wheel tax. Speaking as a private citizen he expressed an opposition to the wheel tax proposal.
Last year I stated publicly that Mr. Hyatt must feel like a real sucker for having done the responsible thing with his budget while others snubbed their noses and increased their budgets and they were rewarded while his department suffered. I stand by that and believe that Mr. Hyatt must now believe that to some degree also.
DAW, you asked if there was a topic posted about the incident with Patrolman Estes and Dr. Wynn.
The situation arose from a May traffic stop. I posted, after the discussion was held in the City Council meeting, on 22 May 2010 titled "Information From City Council Work Session" because until that time everything had been pure speculation.
WKSR had a couple of articles about the situation and they can be found
in their archives from May 2010.
Hope this helps.
WAB,
Thanks! I just wanted to see what people on here were saying about it.
Also please answer this question. Would you rather have a wheel tax or a property tax increase? I know you don't want either, but if it was inevitable and you had to choose?
Thanks,
DAW
To DAW. You state that, "If a 60% decrease in service doesn't justify finding an increase in revenue, then I guess what I learned at MMC doesn't apply to todays business standards".
Certainly a 60% decrease in a valuable service, of "ONE DEPARTMENT" is cause for concern but in no way justifies an increase of revenue from citizens. There are far too many luxuries still available in other departments to justify any tax increase. Cut every department by the 10% that didn't take place last year; do away with the dead animal pick-up (that should be a part of the cost of doing farm business just as trash pick-up is for other industries; park Roger Strickland's truck for all but official business; do a real audit of every employee and either justify them or release them; do away with the position of secretary at the ambulance service, in fact contract the ambulance service with a private company; cut
the pay of commissioners.
If you had the same economic instructions I had in college and by real life experience managing the farm you know that you can only raise prices for your goods to a certain level before they become anti-productive. Basically if your farm is losing money it sounds simple to raise the price you sell your cows for but not many cows will be sold at a million dollars apiece. What this county has done is raise the level of taxes to the point the people, with a double digit unemployment rate and a diminishing fixed income, can not reasonably pay anymore.
Without the option of raising more income there has to be a re-examination of the spending. Common sense and economic 101.
Putting Mr. Hyatt and his department in the middle of this mess and using him as a scapegoat
to justify a huge new tax is not only unfair to one who has served the county well but is even more revealing of the few small minded individuals who have already proven themselves as having contempt for the will and well-being of county citizens.
To DAW.
You state, "Also please answer this question. Would you rather have a wheel tax or a property tax increase? I know you don't want either, but if it was inevitable and you had to choose?"
Well, first of all I don't agree with your premise for the question. There is no need for a tax increase when there is over 23 million dollars already coming into the county coffers. The second thing is unless greater spending discipline is adopted and justification given for the current budgets there will be a push for a wheel tax and a property tax increase. With the unrealistic property assessments that have been given recently the stage is set for a huge increase in tax revenue next year.
How much would a private ambulance service save the county? I have no idea, but would like to see some numbers. I would also like to know if the current employees would get to keep their jobs?
I think there should be a fee paid for every cow that goes through the stock yard in pulaski to pay for dead animal pick up. I imagine it wouldn't take much per cow to cover the costs.
How many departments are there? What would it save to decrease their budget by 10%?
I do not agree with cutting the pay for commissioners. The money that they receive hardly pays for the gas to get to the meetings. I also like the fact that they get paid to attend committee meetings that they aren't on, it keeps them more informed. Plus, it is such a very small part of the county budget. I didn't see a single commissioner that didn't care about this county at the committee meetings. They may have different opinions, but that always keeps us meeting in the middle. That is why we have government and debate.
Also, what is the percentage of citizens that you say can't afford a tax increase of $50 per vehicle per year vs. those who can?
It isn't a hard question. I just want to know which you think is the most fair tax to the citizens?
DAW
DAW
You know if the County Executive and the Commission had not over spent revenues to the tune of $1 million to $1.5 million per year for the past 6 years we would not have to choose between a wheel tax or property tax increase, or both.
Yes that is correct. When Charles Green left the County Commission we had a Reserve Fund of over $6.5 million. Now we have approxiamtely $100,000.00. This is very easy to check. Just go and look at the 2005 year end financial statement and compare it to this fiscal year's ending statement.
You like to ask questions...ask you grandfather what happened to the $6.5 million reserve fund??????
I am willing to bet if he answers at all he will say "We had to spend it"
That is one HECK of a way to balance the County budget.
Since there will be no whell tax and the County cannot take in more property tax revenue than last year; I am willing to be that the County Executive/Commission will use funds from the Hospital Fund. Now you may say that the Hospital Funds are untouchable because that aCounty Commission has previously passed a resolution to protect the $15 million. I am willing to bet that the County Commission will try to pass a resolution negating the "protection resolution" and thereby allowing use of theHospital Fund to artifically "balance" this cokming year's budget. I am also willing to bet that Jack Woodard will also vote to have this done.
I may be incorrect but time will tell.
You now have some serious questions to ask your grandfather.
Have a good evening - GTC
My grandfather gets very upset everytime someone mentions using the hospital money. I would appreciate you not lumping him into that category. He and my grandmother have worked all of their life and built a retirement fund that they live on. They do not rely on social security or any other government benefits. He was a supervisor at Fafnir until he retired. He knows what management is all about. They are very hard working people that know how budgeting works. They live on a farm and are so frugal that I would strive to be like them. My grandfather has as much common sense as anyone I know. If he tells me something, I believe it.
I think that you have asked some good questions and have earned some respect from me. Please son;t lose it by trying to throw my grandfather over the coals.
Thanks,
DAW
So the 4th district had a meeting about the wheel tax, funny I didn't know it so I didn't go to it.
Yes DAW told us the wheel tax had been pulled in one of his post...BUT you all know all the talk and plan for horns to blow had a lot to do with the pulling. Also a lot of Janet's yes men said NO!
Sometimes you have to tell your child NO!
What TV station was it watching a man using state car wrong. did anyone see it tonight. Maybe we need to call them they might be able to help us.
I tell you what GTC, I have been sitting here getting more and more upset with your last post. I would like to know what you do as a profession? What entitles you to say anything about what the commission or the county executive has done? I want to know everything that you would have done differently to prevent the current situation of the county?
I have tried to keep my composure to any of the negative posts that I have read. Nevertheless, you have really struck a nerve with me by making those comments. I am a very logical and smart person. I know a lot about business and what it takes to make one run efficiently. I am a conservative and a capitalist. I believe that the best man or woman should always get the job over someone that has seniority. I do not believe that unions have a place in America. I think that liberalism is a disease. I think that the only people deserving of my tax dollars are the sick, elderly, veterans of wars and the mentally handicapped. I believe that my tax dollars should go to paving roads, the prison system, prisons and most of all, school children. I do not believe in the death penalty because I think a man or woman should rot in a prison cell rather than have the easy way out. I do not think that abortion is an appropriate means of birth control. I think we should have a fee for abortions. I also believe that on the 2nd offense we should have the right to have women "fixed" in order for them to have the abortion. I do believe that some people know what is best for the majority. I consider myself to be sitting on the fence looking out for both sides on just about every issue. I am very open minded as I know that everyone doesn't have the same mental capacity as me. That is not being arrogant, it is a true statement. I think that T.V. is demonizing America to think that certain things are important and cool. Therefore, I do not, and have not had cable or satellite television in over 2 years. I have an almost 6 month old son and I will not allow him to see the garbage that is put in front of American children. I belive that we should be at war with the terrorists. I was happy the day that we killed Osama Bin Laden. I would not have negotiated for a second with him.
We live in a world where the globe is going to have to come together in peace and provide for each other. Each part of the world has resources that will benefit each and every one of us. I went to college with kids from all over the world. They were happy to be in America. Some people here should stop and take a look at how good we have it.
Mexicans come to the U.S. because they can prosper. I don't blame them. They work very hard. Yes, they are a burden to our economic system, but we will eventually find common ground and will be better for it. Lazy, complaining Americans are more of a problem than the mexicans.
I work hard every day. I spend my time in the heat and cold performing a job that most Americans would feel that they are too good to do. I manage a farm, but I also work on that farm. I work hard because my family brought me up to know that laziness is not an option. If I lost my job tomorrow I could find one the next day because I know where to look, and I got an education that gave me skills that are needed in this world. I worked 3rd shift at the Timken Company and completed my degree in 4 1/2 years. Not because anyone told me to, but because I wanted to do it.
I am the product of my grandfather. I am proud that I am. I would be honored to grow into the man that he is. All of these posts that just call names and have no consequence make me laugh. I am here to offer the people of Giles County an unbiased opinion and approach to local government. If the words I speak get people upset, then sobeit. But I will not stand and see a few people try to ruin this great county with continuous accusations. Live your life and be happy like I am with mine. I have decided that money isn't that important in the rand scheme of things. You might gain a few years and see that it isn't as bad as some make it out to be.
Respectfully,
DAW
DAW
Your life experiences sound so very similar to mine. I work hard to provide for my family and have never asked anyone for anything, including a college education. I earned it all.
I can especially relate to the comments you made in your last paragraph of the above post. I used to come here and do battle with these few who constantly call names, make accusations, and keep something stirred up. But I don't do that anymore since I was threatened with exposure by this blogmaster. Because of my family ties, I just had to let it go. I was bullied into submission, so I have to admire you so much for your willingness to stand up to them. Take care, and may God bless you and your family.
6:11 AM
The Enabler is back!
DAW @ 11:29 PM
I couldn't believe your comment about women who happen to have a 2nd child is considered an "offense" then you, as a male, want to have women "fized" so they can't have more. Here's a better suggestion: why not have the penus removed from every man that fathers a child out of wedlock and have them pay a fee for the government "fixing" them?
Stockyard is a totally different business from animal pick-up. Its not their business to worry about it nor would they have the time. You should know that managing a farm. (By the way, people assumed it is a cattle farm. Is that correct?)
As to the wheel tax being pulled from the agenda on Friday - if that truely happened then why did Campbell continue to tell people he saw over the weekend that he "might" pull it? Also if it was pulled on Friday why did Campbell and Vanzant not do WKSR the courtesy of informing them so they wouldn't continue to include it in Monday's news? I truly believe Campbell tried to get the Honkathon people not to show up and putting out that he pulled the resolution late Friday was a back-up in an attempt to save face if the Honkathon happened. I understand the honking wasn't only about a wheel tax anyway but was to say to the commissioners 'we have had enough. Time to listen to the public'.
Then you have Eddie Bass now saying there probably wasn't time to get the Act (should it have passed) through the legislature). A week ago he did not express that doubt. Again, I believe the statements made yesterday by Campbell, Vanzant and Bass were an attempt to save face.
DAWG
Should be spelt 'penis'. Sorry.
I still think DAWg doesn't really work as he states for if he did work as hard as he said he did on the farm he would be in bed at 11:30 at night instead of on this blog. DAWG get a job or at least try to be better educated on the subjects you speak on! You sound arrogant when you tell us how logical and smart you are. You're not proving that to me at all. Get a job!
10:59 You said it for me! Thanks
Daniel
If you are such a smart and bright cookie, didn't they teach at MMC you should give your employer 100% of your time? Instead you are lollying around on personal computer. Now that dont say much for your character.
I have seen Commissioner Woodard's reaction to suggestions of using the hospital fund and would be shocked if he ever voted to use it for anything.
He even opposed using it as a loan to pay for the wastewater treatment plant at the interstate choosing instead to make a different loan with 4% interest and keep the hospital funds drawing 1% interest. While I may question the logic in that it does show a strong determination to protect the hospital funds. I will also say in my experiences with him, we have both agreed and disagreed, I have yet to find him blatantly lying to me as some in county government tend to do.
To DAW. I found your personal history and outlook rather interesting. I too, am a conservative. Many claim conservatism but few actually seem to understand it and based on your words about yourself we apparently have different understandings of what a conservative is.
My idea of conservatism is based on the tradition and social stability of God’s Word not the modernist version of government instituted traditions. Like most of the founding fathers I believe in a very limited government with very limited regulations and very low taxes; a strong national defense and individual responsibility.
Your idea that “We live in a world where the globe is going to have to come together… and provide for each other” is in direct contradiction to my “conservative” beliefs. It’s the liberal who has taught that man must live and sacrifice for others. I believe that any sacrifice made should be by choice not mandate. If I choose to help someone it should be based on my understanding of their need. Here’s the difference to me, two people one has struggled all their life to take care of himself, his job goes away and his rent and utilities are due and there’s no food in the house. Second man has never shown any responsibility or done anything to help himself. He’s been content to party hardy all his life now his rent and utilities are due and there’s no food in his house. Both men have reached the same situation in life but which person is more deserving of help? The liberal philosophy and our government policy is they both “must” be helped equally but to me only the one who has tried is deserving of help.
I certainly agree most people in this country do not realize how well off they are just as many who live in this county, and never been anywhere else, fail to realize how backward it is to think what worked two hundred years ago works just as well today.
You state, “Mexicans come to the U.S. because they can prosper. I don't blame them. They work very hard. Yes, they are a burden to our economic system, but we will eventually find common ground and will be better for it. Lazy, complaining Americans are more of a problem than the Mexicans”.
While I don’t blame anyone for trying to better their lives I do strongly disagree with doing it illegally. One could make the argument that the drug dealer is just trying to “prosper”, the embezzler, etc are just trying to “prosper”. I’m sure you would not appreciate if someone broke into your house and stole all your stuff; well that’s exactly what illegals are doing to our country. While some work very hard many more come as parasites, gang bangers & people seeking to make the country part of Mexico. If you break into my country you deserve nothing more than to be treated like a person who breaks into my house.
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You say, “I work hard every day. I spend my time in the heat and cold performing a job that most Americans would feel that they are too good to do”.
I fear you are under a great misconception of liberalism. Most Americans don’t feel they are too good to do a job, they are simply unwilling to do certain jobs for the amount of money they are offered. I would not pick lettuce for three dollars an hour, unless there was nothing else, but I would readily take the job for thirty dollars an hour. An illegal that has never made more than fifty cents an hour is grateful to make five bucks an hour because it’s greater prosperity for him. Because of government intervention and the absurdity of union power, people are led to believe they are entitled to have everything given to them and work is an unnecessary interference for their lives. When you can be given “free money” there is no incentive to work. Class distinctions are strongest in controlled economies, capitalism killed slavery and racism for the most part. When capitalism is allowed to function properly everyone benefits.
It’s good to feel pride in family. Even the worst of people often have some traits that are worthy of emulation and please do not take that as a comment specifically about your family. I had a friend whose dad was a terrible mean drunk but I learned a great deal from him when he was sober.
If your goal is to offer “unbiased opinion and approach” then you are a dismal failure. No one not you or me or anyone else has an “unbiased” opinion about anything. Opinion by its mere definition is biased. While you may see someone’s attempts to better our government as an attempt to ruin it doesn’t make it so. Just as some may see you as arrogant with your offer of an unbiased opinion to fix things, doesn’t necessarily make that so either.
What I believe is needed is simply for a person to use reason and provide evidences for the things we say or claim. Examine every aspect of a matter then realize we still don’t know all there is to know, offer our opinion based on that evidence then allow others to make up their own mind as to what to do. Our mind is our means of survival and when we turn that survival over to any other means our minds are simply lost.
8:39,
I didn't say that a woman shouldn't have a second child. I said that they shouldn't be able to have a second abortion without some sort of consequence. I don't have a problen with them cutting off the male organ to prevent it either. Sorry that you misunderstood what I said.
WAB,
You keep talking about being a man of god, but I think the way you talk about people and say that they disgust you is anything but christian. I was very shocked when I read in the archives that you were a preacher.
I never heard anymore comments from any of you after I posted the articles about John Evans. I never got an answer from you about which tax is the most fair. As a matter of fact, there have been several questions in which I haven't gotten a response. For someone that claims to be so transparent and open, you are good at avoiding the tough ones.
I think that I did a pretty good job of explaining where I thought my tax dollars should go. If that isn't limited government, then I don't know what is? As far as working with people of other nations, I am looking far into the future. Long after you and I are gone there will be a well functioning global economy. I am not talking about giving anyone anything that doesn't deserve it. Don't you think that God would want you to promote the welfare of every nation? Do you think he would want you to be close minded to the mistreatment of women and children all over the world?
You can start pointing out where I am so unbiased. It won't hurt my feelings to see you say more about the topics rather than some long subjective overview that you feel trumps a post that some people might agree with.
I just feel like you are a very unhappy person. Negativity spreads like a virus. I hate to think that some innocent people have gotten caught up in all that you have to
say. You are not always wrong, but you are very bad at talking calmly with someone who disagrees with you.
I am going to let your family comment slide. It was a shot below the belt, but for some reason I expected it.
I will let all of you get back to the insults and name-calling. I can see that anyone that doesn't share your views isn't really welcome. I can only hope that some of what I posted has opened at least a few eyes to what is going on inside of here.
Thanks,
DAW
There was no victory over the wheel tax. It was pulled from the agenda.
WAB,
Nothing you said in response to DAW was in anyway unkind or insulting. DAW has a lot to learn about our county and life itself in my opinion. Each day presents a new challenge and with that new day we all learn something new. If DAW thinks he has all the answers, then he will be sorely disappointed down the road to find he isn't as knowledgeable as he would like to think he is. If I have learned anything in life, it is that the older I get, the smarter my parents become. I never wanted to listen to their advice and knowledge when I was younger and even was hesitant to believe they knew more than me on certain things, even though history had proved numerous times that I should have listened. He will learn the hard way I guess. One thing I am glad of, is that I never had a public blog to rattle about on that could recall my rantings. Because life and experience has shown me time and time again that what I thought I knew, I really didn't know at all. Technology can be a blessing and a curse all at the same time.
4:22 The pulling of the wheel tax was indeed a victory. Although I personally wish Campbell/Vanzant had let it go for a vote then perhaps we would have been through with it once and for all. It was not pulled prior to Monday's meeting. It was still on the agenda and being advertized and wasn't pulled until after the two arrived on the square and encountered the horn blowers. Even Bill Holt the co-signer, wasn't aware of it being pulled until Vanzant announced it.
To DAW
Lets just back up a bit here! Before you make such false statements as “You keep talking about being a man of god”, how about you showing me one single time you have ever seen where I referred to myself as a “man of God” in any medium. Show me one time I used that phrase to describe myself and I’ll apologize for calling you a liar for writing it. I am Not a Man of God or a Reverend just a servant.
I’ve never denied saying the behavior of some people is disgusting, if that’s un-Christian then you might want to challenge Christ about some things He said about people and their behavior. I try to understand the language and use it appropriately so if a person willfully and continually tells lies is it not appropriate to refer to them as a liar especially when you present the proof as I have done.
If you were shocked to learn that I was a preacher maybe it’s because you have a very limited understanding of what a preacher is. It must be really difficult knowing that Paul was a preacher.
I’m not sure if the comments about answering your questions were meant for me. I believe I answered every question that I understand you asked of me. The question you asked, “Would you rather have a wheel tax or a property tax increase? I know you don't want either, but if it was inevitable and you had to choose? I told you that I didn’t agree with your premise for the question as those are not the only viable answers. It’s like asking, “would you rather die from a gunshot or a knife cut”.
Your idea of global unity is rather disturbing, frightening and Obamaist. How do you work with nations that want to destroy you? Force must be met with force and especially so in a land where power is respected and everything else is considered weakness. You ask if I think God wants us to promote the welfare of every nation. My answer is a very emphatic no. By God’s Word every nation that stands against Israel is an enemy of God. Would God want us to promote the welfare of a nation that worships a false god?
Then you ask a very contradictory question, “Do you think he (God) would want you to be close minded to the mistreatment of women and children all over the world?” Please tell me how one could possibly justify promoting the welfare of a country where some of its citizens are systemically abused and mistreated while at the same time not being critical of the official doctrine of that government. Seeking to increase their welfare would only enable greater abuse .
You state, “You can start pointing out where I am so unbiased”. I have not found any post you have made that was unbiased. What I wrote was for clarification of terms you and I both claim help identify us but clearly we have different meanings for the same words.
You make two claims that are not only wrong but ridiculous when by your own words you admit that you not only don’t know me you have never even spoken with me. How would you know if I am happy, sad or semi-catatonic? What evidence can you offer to support the claim that I am “very bad at talking calmly with someone who disagrees with me”. If a person is trying to run a scam on me I certainly can’t be expected to let it go unchallenged. I have and will continue to treat people as I am treated.
I’m sorry you misunderstood what I was saying about learning from family and others. I even explained that the comment was none specific and had nothing to do with your grandfather. As I stated in another post Commissioner Woodard, while we have disagreed on a number of things, has shown greater integrity than several others.
I am surprised that you have such thin skin that you would give up simply because more people don’t share your views. Perhaps the problem is that you have become frustrated because people want some evidence to support the views you have and so far you have mostly provided only information that has been fed to you.
Now WAB is comparing himself to Christ and Paul! He is so full of himself.
I tried calling my commissioner to ask them to support the wheel tax. I did not get anyone to answer the phone. I did get one answering machine. I did not call all commissioners but next I will try that. I spoke to a couple of commissioners and told them that I supported the wheel tax and ask that they vote for it.
5:41AM & 5:44AM Good morning Enabler. We knew you wouldn't be able to stay away from this blog for long. Shows much about your character.
You also know who is feeding DAW a lot of info. I never saw one post where WAB said anything about being a preacher, but how many post did the enabler make those cracks at WAB?
His facebook page says that he has been a baptist minister since 1986.
If a man is a minister and a christian and adheres to the word of god, he is a man of god. But apparently it doesn't apply to WAB.
DAW
WAB,
When I get home this afternoon, I will get all of the questions that I had and put them in one post. That way there is no misunderstanding as to whom they were directed.
Thanks,
DAW
DAW,if you are a Christion conservative,why were you not in church Sunday? You spent the day posting on here. You also said at one time you had only known about this blog for three weeks or so,then you said you read somthing five years ago on here.Does the word "enabler sound familiar to you?You also said you worked on a farm,Your boss needs to know you are spending most of your time blasting people for thier beliefs.I wish I was half as smart as you think you are....JLS
To DAW
I've tried to respond to your posts in a reasoned manner but it seems you are determined to take the discussion to a lower level when you are confronted with things you can not explain or that do not fit in your well organized little box of preconceived notions. Your 9AM post is an example of your trying to turn a discussion in a different direction.
On Tuesday 17 May at 3:50 PM you posted this statement, "WAB, You keep talking about being a man of god,". I challenged you to show one single time I had referred to myself as "a man of God". I didn't bother to correct your erroneous spelling of God hoping it was merely a typing mistake instead of disrespect to God but your latest post where you continue to use small letters when spelling God and Christian shows it was no typing error. I am surprised that one who claims both to have graduated from a Christian college and is a conservative Christian would be so lax in the spelling of these two words especially.
I never denied being a man of God only that I had not identified myself by that term of exaggerative self importance as you claimed. Now you try and turn the conversation into a totally unjustified criticism of me.
Your claim that I am "very bad at talking calmly with someone who disagrees with" me seems misapplied in light of your current responses of angry antagonism.
If you are interested in an actual conversation where different ideas are explored with reason and supportive evidences I am more than willing but if you only seek someone to blindly agree with everything you say then you probably will be better off engaging someone else.
Barrett
Your arrogance knows no bounds.
3:25 Ms Enabler - GET LOST - and take the DAWG with you.
How old are you 3:55? Seriously?
DAW
3:25, HOW ABOUT YOUR STUPID ARROGANCE!!!!!!
4:12 and 3:55,
I know that I have been giving Mr. Barrett a hard time and questioning him, but the great thing is that he has been doing it right back. I am not mad at Mr. Barrett, because I think he and everyone else has a right to speak his or her mind. I may say some stuff that he does't want to hear, and he will come right back at me.
What I don't understand is why there are a few people on here that come to his rescue with childish nonsense like you just posted. The "I know you are but what am I" stuff is very bad. All the "go get a job", " who stays up until 11:30" and "get an education" crap is so distasteful that I hope Mr. Barrett doesn't condone that type of behavior. He is on here battling with people all the time and rather than keep to the subject, you all get hostile. Try to really help him out by backing him with discussion. Is that too much to ask?
To everyone who is questioning Mr. Barrett about how he should act as a preacher, I'm glad the not judging does'nt apply to you. DAW, WAB has ben answering your questions. Let me ask you this one question and if you answer it directly I will never question you again. Would you rather your mother die or your father? Whic one? Let's hear it.
DAW
He only condones that behavior when it is directed toward such people as Tommy Campbell, Mrs. Coleman, Mrs. Vanzant and select others who he dislikes or resents.
WAB,
Has anyone put together any figures of how much a private ambulance service would save the county?
Thanks,
DAW
DAW, don't ask anymore questions unti you answer mine. Thank you.
Lets get back to the wheel tax!
Let the people who want it Pay it and see how much money comes in.
We can call it TC's slush fund as he is need of it. How can he say he pulled the wheel tax after checking who was going to vote for it Is it against the sunshine law to do this
7:27,
Do you realize that you are no different than the "enabler"? If you feel you are, I would like for you to explain the difference?
DAW
4:57 Don't you realize that everyone is laughing at you and goading you on?
I like what DAW said on 7:56.
But I also want to say to DAW, Barrett can or not condone what is put on here, but for it to be free speech he has to leave it.
5:38 I thought you was threw posting.
To DAW.
Yes, a group of commissioners explored the situation with the ambulance service and while I don't have the exact numbers available at this moment the savings with the same level of service would be well over a hundred thousand dollars a year.
When you consider that if the service was contracted to a private company the entire amount budgeted for the ambulance service, over two million dollars a year, would be available for use in other areas of the budget. That's over half a million more than the proposed wheel tax would have brought in.
You raise the question of condoning posts on this blog. Of course I don't condone all the posts. I would estimate that at least half are personally objectionable to me, some are personally disgusting but except for those post that contain vulgarities I do not censure by deletion.
I don't understand, would it save the county $100,000 per year or $2 million per year?
Maybe you are saying that there are 2 different options of service?
One plan saving $100k and the other saving $2 million?
Thanks,
DAW
DAW
I see you have bought into the enabler lie Mr. Barrett started all because someone had the guts to stand up to him and point out thr wrongness of calling people names and making all sorts of allegations against them. I thought you were much smarter than that.
I don't understand the savings either. WAB you say it woudl save 100,000 then you turn around and say that it would save 2 million. Which one is it?
4:44
I haven't bought into it. While I may agree with what you say, I think that you should try to dispute the issues rather than the man. People will have their opinion of him without the help from you or I. I mean no disrespect to you.
Thanks,
DAW
Sorry if I confused folks, guess I was too brief in my explanation. I was speaking of three different savings that could be experienced if the county were to contract with a private ambulance service.
First situation: Currently the Ambulance Services loses over a hundred thousand dollars a year that must be made up by taxpayers. This is over and beyond the amount budgeted by the county.
If the county simply paid a private company two million a year to operate the ambulance service the county would not be liable for any over cost. A private company would have to absorb any lose at no expense to the taxpayer.
Second situation: If the county contracted this service out and subsidized the operation the county would realize a savings of over a million dollars a year, depending on what the negotiated contract required.
Third situation: If the county sold the ambulance service outright, just as they did with the hospital,
not only would the county realize a one time revenue the two million taxpayer dollars a year that is currently budgeted for the ambulance service could then be re-directed to the highway department or other needs such as rebuilding the reserves or a senior tax freeze on property taxes or even a tax reduction across the board.
So the bottom line is depending on what is negotiated a savings between $100,000.00 and $2,000,000.00 could be realized by the county each year.
I hope this clarifies the issue I managed to muddle.
WAB,
What has been the reasoning behind not selling the service? Would the current employees get to work for the new service?
DAW
Why is the ambulance service loosing money? Lots of people use Moore ambulance out of Lawrenceburg because it is cheaper.
Was the ambulance service loosing money before they built the two extra stations?
I may have misread WAB, but it looked like to me, the county would pay a private ambulance service so much a year and that would take care of the non paying patient??
Giles county ambulance service has always lost money each year. The best option would be for the county to sell the service outright to a private company. As to if the current employees would get to keep their jobs that would be up to if they were deemed good enough employees by the new company. A couple of years ago some commissioners invited an ambulance service to visit Giles county and look at the situation. They operate in other counties in TN. Right off the bat that company pointed out where the local service is losing money. The accounting dept was to provide figures to the interested company. Ms Vanzant stepped in and told the company 'she runs Giles county and they could not return here'! Giles county has since hired a private company to do their collections. Three people had been employed in the finance office to do this work. Only one person was let go. The collections company said they could bring in almost 100% of collections. Don't believe that is coming close. One reason some commissioners don't want to sell is because they don't think a private company would provide 'personal service' to our citizens. However, the law allows nothing but, who ever provides the service. Perhaps its time for the commissioners to re-address this problem and not just let it slide.
I am not opposed to it. However, there must be some reason that the majority of the commissioners feel that we wouldn't benefit other than the level of service? $2 million a year would solve the counties problems, and let the highway dept. catch up from the decreased service of the last few years. I would have to hear serious debate from both sides before making up my mind on the issue. How many folks are employed at the ambulance service?
Thanks,
DAW
To DAW
If the Ambulance Service was sold or contracted out there would still be a need for the employees in order to cover the county. It would not be difficult to negotiate a contract that would allow at least the full time employees to keep their jobs.
Many of those who work for the service are part-time and are making much more than the full-timers and that creates some dissension..
I have yet to speak with a single Commissioner whose opposition to selling the Ambulance Service was able to be presented in a reasoned and rational manner. Usually it's simply no, no, no we can't sell it.
Perhaps you could ask Commissioner Woodard why he is opposed since he's one of the most firmly opposed to its sale.
I would ask, "What are the county's responsibilities?" Is it a county responsibility to provide an ambualance service? Is is a county responsonsibility to provide an ambulance service in each corner of the county? Can the hour of the court house and annex be re-arranged to be more efficient? Are there ways to run things more efficiently.
I have spoken to people who run offices for the county who put more weight on not hurting anyones feeling by not letting them go than by running an efficient office.
I'm sorry, but we need leaders, and we do not have them. Our voters are getting exaclty what they deserve.
8:49 Right on! Do those 'leaders' ever stop to think about how they 'hurt the feelings' of the tax payers - I think not.
Anyone know if there is such a law that allows the whole county government to be run by a private company?
Is there anyone in county government you guys don't hate? Do you even realize the source of this hatred and division? I shouldn't even have to name him.
6:12 I was not talking hate. I was talking about leadership. I am not WAB or one of his followers. I do know that when tough decisions are required, it takes one who is not afraid of the consequences and one who is strong. You would probably have to agree that our county leaders are not in either category.
Mr. Barrett
Will there be a "Victory Over the Charter" thread started if we can defeat it?
I have read the proposed charter as posted on the Pulaski Citicen web site. What is so bad about the Charter?
Does it change the structure of the County Government? No.
Does it provide to the citizens power of the vote?? Yes.
Does it make County officials responsible and accountable to the citizens? Yes.
Does it make the County Executive, County Commission and Finance Department fiscally responsible? Yes.
10:57
Those things are already in place. Again, why do we need a charter?
7:02 How about you starting a blog for victory over the defeat of the charter?
I've heard a lot people saying, "I'm not voting for or against the charter." So guess it will depend on the amount of people each side can get to go vote.
Which ever side wins, the people that don't vote should just keep quiet then.
To 2:57
I agree that all my points should be in place; however, they are ignored by our Current County government. It is about time that the County Executive and Commission realize that they are responsible to all the citizens of Giles County they are not omnipotent. There is no oversight or accountability. They hold meetings whenever and wherever it is convenient for them and not the public. They spend, spend, spend. They have depleted the County reserve funds. How many commissioners have you heard explaining why they have overspent the past five annual budgets for over one million dollars per year? Why do me need a Charter? Because of the direct actions of our County officials.
4:34,
I would like for you to give some examples of where the county is overspending. Where would you cut the budgets so that they would balance? Don't just talk without saying something to help. I imagine most of the commissioners would tell you the reasons they are running a defecit. Unless the charter folks could find a way to raise taxes, they would also fail.
Thanks,
DAW
5:16
If they have been overspending, it's because they are being overcharged for the services they are attempting to provide Giles Countians. I know for a fact that all department heads have been asked to trim their budgets as much as they can, but still, the cost of doing business continues to rise. Postage stamps alone is a small yet significant increase when you look at the entire picture. Everything goes up at alarming rates and the few who cannot see that continue to whine that there's something sinister or dishonest with our county government. I just don't happen to believe that.
Again, why do we need a charter?
6:15,
We don't. It is that simple.
Oh yeah, I asked my grandfather why the hospital money was only drawing 1%. He said that they put the money up for bid, giving many banks the opportunity to get it, and First National was the only bank to submit a bid. They aren't loaning very much money right now and can get it just as cheap from the fed. We have to have it in a fixed account. We can't go out and put it in the market with high risks.
DAW
DAW
Don't worry about the Hospital fund. The County Commission has decided its future; it shall be used to balance the 2012 budget.
Where are we over spending? Look at the School system and the County Insurance expenses. Not bid out always passed thriugh the Alsup Associates.
Also why is it the Commissioners, or their friends and relatives who do not want a Charter?????
Does the Charter reduce the number of Commissioners? NO
Does the Charter reduce their pay? NO
Does it restruct their power? NO Actually it increases it, especially over the School System.
Does the Charter reduce the County Executive's power? NO Actually it increases the Excutives power by insuring the County Executive has veto authority. Oh yes, the Commission can override a veto by a 2/3 vote.
I am sure that some commissioners are afraid of a two term limit??? But wait !! if they sit out one four-year term, they can run again. If the people love that Commissioner, they will be voted back in ... or will they? Jack Woodard did this and he's not bitching ... good for him. He will undoubtedly do it again.
7:27,
I think you just did a really good job of sending a message that the charter isn't needed.
Thanks,
DAW
So the charter isn't going to change anything. Then why the bitching about it.
DAW
Then let's make a concerted and unified effort to defeat this thing before it gains a foothold here. Once it's in, we won't be able to get rid of it. Of course, those who are pushing the charter would tell people that we who are against it just want to hang on to some "good ole boy" system of corruption and deceit. Our job is to educate people before they go into the voting booths. You know, Obama promised change we can believe in, and look what we got.
Im in 6:22!
DAW
Start educating now, so far no one has educated me to be against it or for it.
To Suday 7:27 pm, how stupid can you get? The insurance is put out for bids.Don't blame Mr. Alsup for bidding on it.Why don't you idiots realize that fact and get over it?
You show you are as dumb as DAW.
Your right 11:09 DAW would be totaly lost with out his granfathers smart advise.As Mr.
Barrett always says,,,maybe he will get his head out of his abdomen sometime in his lifetime
Monday at 11:09 How stupid? Why then does the Finance Office "request bids" over a 2 week period? Such a short time that no insurance underwriting firm has sufficient time to prepare a proper proposal!
How Stupid? Why does Alsup refuse to disclose what he is billed by the underwriting company so that we can compare that cost to what he bills the County and Schools system?
Back to you ,how stupid,I bid on jobs for over forty years and most of the time I could do a bid in one day.I could do a big one in just a few days at the most.If someone can't figure one in two weeks they sure can't do the job.
How stupid can you get?
Plus it is nobody business how much Mr. Alsup makes. How much do you make?
11:09 and 11:18,
I show evidence and put websites for you to see. I think you should watch the name calling. I hope you aren't adults. Sorry that the info. I put out makes sense and you don't agree, but I never see you post anything worth anyones time.
Thanks,
DAW
Daw how do you know that i've ever posted before?You are name calling when you called both of us young adults. I wish you were an adult. Many of your web sites could be phony,how do we know? Why don't you admit that you are the enabler?
You said once that you had never been to this site until a few weeks ago,but then you said you had read something five years ago,can you explain? I only got "the head in the abdomen" thing
from our beloved-Rev Mr. Barrett himself.Go ask Grandpa how to respond.....
5:56,
Have you noticed the section on this blog called archives? It is that big list of dates on the left hand side of the screen. If you click on one, you can read topics from the time the blog started. My grandpa didn't have to tell me how to respond to that.
I am sure you have posted before. Your vocabulary doesn't extend much past the words "dumb" and "stupid" and repeating something like "I wish you were an adult".
You can also go to the websites by highlighting then copying and pasting them in the web address box. You then hit enter. A simple procedure will take you straight to them.
Thanks,
DAW
I don't think that what DAW said sums it up for 5:56. He didn't even give you credit for being a young adult. I think he may have implied that you are a CHILD.
To Monday @ 2:21
It is obvious that you have never attempted to insure, or acquire a proposal to insure an entity as large as Giles County. Any insurance underwriter worth their reputation would take 60-90 days to survey, evaluate and perform risk analysses on all the County property (building, contents, vehicles, etc), personnel (elected and hired), liability and workman's copmp.
If you are able to complete all of this in "just a few days at most" then you have an opportunity to be hired by every major insurance company within the USA. The initial survey and review requires the most time; after which annual updates take only a week or so.
The request for bid timeline is currently such to disallow any insurance company, other than the one provided by Alsup to prepare and submit a bid. Efectively making this a sole source bid.
I make approximately $48,700.00 per year and yes, it is our business to know haow much Alsup is adding to the insurance bid when he is being paid by public funds.
Why is it that Lawrence, Marshall and Lincoln Counties insure more assets, have comparible deductibles and coverage yet pay $300,000.00 to $700,000.00 less per year??? As proven by the County Commission in 2009. Do you support that Alsup is receiving 25-40% markup every year?????
Interesting no response to your post 10:25. DAW is stumped because he doesn't even know what insurance you are talking about. Quite funny actually! He certainly responded wrong at last mention of the "insurance debacle", by bringing up Mr. John Evans and a totally different insurance situation. Sometimes all I can do is sit back and laugh at how stupid and arrogant those in County Government are along with those who support some of our brain-dead elected officials.
10.25 you just show how slow you really are and why you would not get the bid.If someone needed your bid in a week what would you do? You could ask DAW's Grandpa.DAW says he knows everything.I wish I was half as smart as he thinks he is.Good night Grandpa, goodnight John Boy.
WRONG, WRONG 11:03. You have no idea what goes into a bid of this magnitude. Bids like this are not even expected in a week. Amazing how so many think they are experts in this area. Brain-dead is more like it! 10:25 is correct and those of us who know what really happened appreciate 10:25 bringing their expertise and knowledge on to this blog to share with those who do not know or understand. He or she is 100% correct in what they are saying and VERY knowledgeable on this issue. Thanks again.
11:03,
Why don't you meet me for lunch one day? That way you can tell me everything you know. I will then be an informed citizen. We can also invite 12:53. They have a lot to offer as well.
Thanks,
DAW
I thought you had reserved your lunch for Barrett. What happened to that meeting you were so anxious for until he said he'd meet you anywhere and anytime. I haven't heard you talk about meeting him since that time even when you siad you were at a meeting with him last week.
I never said that I was at a meeting with him. Basically I am hearing everything I need to know about him on this blog.
My concern is now with you. I want to know the source of all this great information. Someone with your knowledge shouldn't remain anonymous.
DAW
If you believe everything on this blog DAW your in worse shape that I thought.
I hardly believe anything I hear on this blog.
DAW
DAW, Didn't you write, "Basically I am hearing everything I need to know about him on this blog".
If what you hear on this blog is what you believe about Barrett are anybody else you are foolish even by your own words you say, "I hardly believe anything I hear on this blog".
I guess that means the only thing you believe on this blog is what you hear about Mr. Barrett, very interesting philosophy.
Don't know if you are as stupid as that makes you sound are if you just don't think when you are typing.
DAW (and anyone else) I am 10:25
It is really interesting to read (actually I have never heard anything on this or any other blog)what people think and what I know. I have spent the better part of my life gathering facts and preparing bids for major contacts (private and governmental). It is interesting how those who have lived in Giles County for all of their lives and never have experienced life anywhere else are so correct in knowing what is right or wrong.
DAW you have written some interseting points and I agree with some of them. You also have shown that you are a bit short on knowledge regarding the administration and management of a multi-million dollar organization.
Mrs. Vanzant is no smatter than you. Ms. Garner is no less qualified. She is an accountant and not savy regarding preparing and administrating a budget. All in all she is nothing more than an over paid book keeper.
Our collective Commission are people who, for whatever reason have run for and been elected to their current positions. Being an elected Commissioner does not provide that person with instant smarts. Some Commissioners are willing to set aside their personal agendas, others are not so willing.
There are many areas in which this County can save funds without wasteful over spending.
Directly to you DAW and your grandfather Commissioner : Why not demand that Giles County have a centralized procurement center that would purchase any and all items needed to run the County? For example Office supplies, fuel, maintenance supplies, etc. This would be for all offices (County government, school system, sheriff's office, highway dept, etc). Purchase the needed items (toilet items, cleaning items, office supplies, etc.) in bulk and then distribute them to those who need them? Why have every individual office conduct their own individual purchases?
Oh yea ..... demand that the County Finance Office allow sufficiant time for insurance companies to prepare and submit bids for the County insurance, in one bundeled package rather than piece meal. Said bids to be delivered, in a sealed envelope to the County Executive directly from the issuing company and not through an agent? This alone will provide sufficient savings to balance the budget at current spending levels.
Yes this will totally piss off Jimmy Alsup; but he can get over it.
8:17,
Do the insurance bids go through Alsup Insurance? I am asking because I don't know. The Finance Director spoke as if they come through her office.
I don't see a problem in having a centralized procurement center. Who in the county would deal with the purchasing of these items? At what location would they be stored? Purchasing in bulk is the only place that I could see that we would realize savings. As long as a person wouldn't have to be hired to oversee it and manage inventory we should try it. I will ask that my grandfather bring it up.
As for running a multi-million dollar corporation, business is business. I have ties to some very large companies and am very familiar with how they operate. Rather a business is small or large, the goal is profit.
As for government, the goal is to balance the budget. In business form it resembles a service industry. Citizens require a certain level of service and the county must provide through tax dollars. When citizens start to complain that the services have fallen short, we must realize that it is time to open the wallet and contribute. We are local government. We can't starve ourselves and then complain about it.
It is much less dificult to run a local government than a business on paper, but harder in practice due to the human factor. In business you can hire and fire at will to keep management and production running efficiently. In government you have to wait it out for a few years and then hope that you have worthy candidates that the people will vote into office. The problem is that it will never happen on a local, state or federal level. Most of the good ones are out making a living in the private sector. Sadly you are correct in stating that elected official doesn't equal smart. You can attend a couple committee meetings and see the blank stares on some of their faces.
Thanks,
DAW
Alsup wrote the specs for the insurance for Garner then bid on them through Garner's office.
Government is a business and while it may not make a profit only the socialist democrats look at the people as cash cows to supply unlimited services for others.
Only a socialist democrat sees taxes as a contribution when in fact they are confiscation of property.
You are wrong about hiring and firing some of the non elected need to be gone and there needs to be no nepotism in the county. Damron hired his niece without advertising the job.
I fully agree with the comments of the 10:39 poster.
The bids do go through the Finance office but when the spec's are written by Mr. Alsup do you not think that gives him an advantage especially when you severely restrict the time-frame for submission of those bids they are written by
If you think taxes aren't a contribution, then stop using the roads, never call an ambulance, if someone breaks into your home don't call the police and homeschool your children. Probably best you stay in your cave anyway.
Yes let's have a wheel tax so we can hire more help, then I want have to work so hard.
Why is it if anyone is against higher taxes, the tale is if we don't get it, the ambulance, police and roads are the one to be stopped. Never some one might even do their job and not have so much help?
I recall a time when the federal government was about to shut down because of needed tax revenues. I'm afraid taxes are a necessary evil, but it troubles me that politicians can't, first of all, see the need to cut back wasteful spending. Then they ask us to tighten out belts while they are voting themselves huge pay raises and flying around on their jets. We seem to be sliding into socialism or some form of caste system, and I really don't think they care. It troubles me greatly.
I used to proudly call myself a Republican, because I honestly thought GOP politicians cared for us. While I could never vote Democratic because of such issues as abortion and gay marriage, I will no longer vote for Republican candidates.
Our present governor along with certain other Republican politicians are the very ones who are trying their best to stick it to teachers here in Tennessee. I'm ashamed of them. Republican Paul Ryan and other GOP politicians are now proposing legislation that would deny VA health care to many veterans throughout this country. They make no bones about it that they are trying to balance the federal budget. Well, it shouldn't be done at the expense of veterans. Think about this; those fat cat politicians won't have to worry about their health care and cost of living raises, will they?
I can't vote for pro-abortion and gay marriage candidates, but I will NEVER vote for a Republican again. I will be a conservative and that's it.
6:11,
I understand where you are coming from on the federal level, but our concern for this blog should be Giles County. I too have a hard time with Republican Candidates anymore. Herman Cain seems to be a pretty good candidate though. But, of course, the media will screw us over on that one.
I think you will see that Governer Haslam is going to run the state in a very logical way. By the time his first term is over, we should be seeing positive change for TN. He is just the guy to make tough decisions that will make the state stronger. Sometimes that means getting some people upset. I respect teachers, but I hope they aren't doing it just for the pay and the benefits.
Thanks,
DAW
DAW
Haslam is the last Republican I will ever vote for. I can't vote for a Democrat, so I will confine my votes to local elections.
By the way, what happens to us on the federal level does indeed affect Giles County.
To the 3 June 9:22 poster having trouble understanding the difference between a voluntary contribution and involuntary confiscation.
To confiscate means to seize as forfeited to the public treasury;
to seize by authority.
A voluntary contribution means a willful payment without threat of penalty or retribution.
Taxes are not voluntary contributions as they carry the threat of penalty if they are not given.
Now you mention if I don't think taxes are contributions I should stop using the roads, never call an ambulance, if someone breaks into your home don't call the police and homeschool your children.
Let me clue you in to a couple of things, First every time a person buys a gallon of gas they are paying for the roads, in fact the government is making more off a gallon of gas than the oil companies are. If I call an ambulance I will be required to pay the fee for their services. The service could just as easily be provided by an inefficiently run government ambulance service as a private non government run service.
If someone breaks into my home do you really think they will come and stop the thief? At best they might come after the crime and with a lot of luck catch the criminal some day. If I'm home when the burglar comes I'll take care of him, if not he better pick the right door or window.
Now whether you homeschool your children or not you you do not have an option to pay for the school system. I understand I am paying taxes now for other peoples education and I would not mind that so much if they were getting an education instead of indoctrination. When more than half the children in high school can't tell you who the Allies and Axis powers were in WWII we have a problem; when high school kids can't even tell you what a budget is much less make one out there's a problem; when high school kids can't find nine out of ten states on a map you got problems; when more than half the kids that enter college have to take remedial classes you have a problem.
So even in a cave you still have taxes collected under false pretenses.
To the 4 June 6:11AM poster.
I would certainly be interested in knowing where you got the idea that Rep. Ryan's budget proposal will do away with VA medical care or any other medical care for that matter.
How is it that Republicans are trying to "stick it to teachers". Doing away with the union will open up the best opportunities in thirty years to advance the level of education and treat pay based on performance instead of existence. Getting rid of the dead weight in the teaching profession will once again allow it to actually be a profession instead of a union job.
Now I certainly agree with you about politicians in general and have absolutely no respect for a politician based on their party affiliation some republicans are just as liberal as the socialist democrats. I will always vote for the conservative whose ideas and principles are closest to my own.
Haslem has been a disappointment along with Ramsey simply by the way they have increased the pay of their closest allies.
Mr. Barrett
It just goes to show that you are not up-to-date concerning veterans affairs. There is a full-length article in a popular veterans publication that addresses this issue in detail. Yes, it is being promoted by Republicans, and Democrats are opposing it. I cannot vote for a Dem, but I applaud them for their efforts to stop this before it goes too far. These Republicans are trying to balance the budget partly of the backs of veterans, and I am vehemently opposed to that. You say you like to investigate things; well check it out.
Yes, Republicans, led by Haslam, are truly trying to stick it to teachers. Ask any of the hundreds of teachers we have here in Giles County or some of the thousands from across the state. These Republicans are going to make future elections a cake walk for Democrats. It's a shame.
I would agree with you on the fact that some Republicans are no better than liberal Democrats. That is precisely why I will no longer call myself a Repuhblican or a member of the GOP. I am a conservative and what people like Haslam, Ryan, and others are trying to do is going to destroy the party for years to come.
Haslam is asking the teachers to do a little for themselves. Teachers have no right to break the back of government. Unions have no place in America. It is also not too much to ask for teachers to work a couple extra years to EARN tenure. Most of the education students that I went to school with were only doing it because of the benefits. It is time to weed out the educators that are just along for the ride to retirement.
DAW
DAW
Why don't you run those ideas by a few teachers and see how they feel about it. They work years and years at low pay and criticism after surviving years of exhaustive college work. Go share your ideas with them.
And exactly how are teachers breaking the back of government? I thought you were much smarter than that.
2:25,
I know the kind of college work they do. It is no harder than getting any other degree. Most make between $28k and $40k per year, which is good pay. Their benefits are great. The hours are excellent. After hearing how much they get for a retirement income, I almost decided to switch majors. Depending on the date they start, most will get to retire in their early to mid fifties. All of this is paid by the taxpayer. The unions are always asking for more. We need more competition in the school system.
Thanks,
DAW
DAW
Then you should have become a teacher since you think it's such a cushy job. Again, I thought you were a smarter person that those who are constantly on this blog criticizing and calling people names. I'm sure you would be well received by professional educators.
To the 1:22 poster,
First of all there is nothing in the Ryan budget that has an adverse effects on veterans directly. Early on in budget discussions there were conversations about cutting the benefits for Veterans but even that only applied to category 7 and 8 Vets. These are Veterans that have no service connected disability. These are not necessarily people who “fought for their country”, as you claim, but for the most part are people who managed to spend merely 180 days on active duty and suffered no disability as a result of that service.
The second thing is the GOP budget approved by the House in February would simply not fund 10,000 new housing vouchers for homeless veterans this fiscal year.
Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer of California loudly and wrongly claimed the bill would result in "10,000 veterans who literally could be in the streets and die" but like most things she says it’s not true as the program has enough vouchers from previous years to carry it through fiscal year 2011. The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) says the program has accumulated nearly 30,000 vouchers since its inception in 2008 and it will take until November or December for them to be used for housing veterans. That’s after the 2011 fiscal year ends on Sept. 30.
As a fully qualified Veteran I could use the VA hospital for medical care but it would be as an absolute last resort. The care is atrocious because the system is too clogged with non disabled category 7 and 8’s that the more severely disabled get less than the premium care they deserve and have earned.
Now it’s easy to check these things out by just doing a "fact check" or google the Ryan budget or GOP budget. The fact is the VA groups are more concerned with what they expect in possible future cuts than what has actually been currently proposed.
The main problem with the Ryan budget proposal is that it doesn’t go far enough. It has been lied about in some of the most odious ways by people with no concern for the nation’s financial health. Example, the claim is made by the Chicago thugs in the White House that the budget proposes to kill old people by the Medicare cuts but it was the very same thugs that actually cut over 500 million from Medicare. Guess talking about a thing is much worse than actually doing something?
5:01,
I am sorry that what I am saying is affecting you personally. However, it is the truth. I am speaking of the system, not any one person. I'm also not saying that teachers are lazy and undeserving of praise. All I am saying is that I want my son to get the best education possible. I am not comfortable saying that would happen the way things are now. I have heard some professional educators tell me of those who shouldn't be teaching our children. Due to tenure, we have no choice. I wish I had the option to be bad at my job and keep it because I was backed by a union. Citizens have every right to voice an opinion on the school system because we pay for it.
I don't hear the teachers who love their job and are great at it complaining all the time about pay and benefits.
Thanks,
DAW
I never said they all fought for their country. Those, again, are your words. A small percentage of the veteran population was actually involved in war, myself being one of them. Even if I didn't suffer a disability while in combat, that should not disqualify me for health care. I think we earned that. No, I am sure we earned it.
I stand by what I said; I will never again vote for a Republican. However, I will remain a Ronald Reagan conservative. And you can argue til the cows come home about the likes of Ryan and/or Haslam, but they are killing the GOP in terms of future elections. Is it any wonder that the typical Democrat voter sees Republicans as being strictly for the wealthy? Of course, I know that's not true, but the perception is there.
DAW
Nothing you have said affects me personally. And I would agree with you that some teachers should not be teaching. However, Haslam and his cronies are asking teachers to prove themselves for FIVE LONG YEARS and then be evaluated at least four times each and every year therweafter. Outrageous. Perhaps teachers should be making what lawyers earn and vice-versa.
Yes, you have every right to voice your opinion, and you should do that when you have one. But there are a LOT of teachers out there(good ones) who would take issue with you.
6:33,
I am fine with them taking issue with me. I commend Haslam for wanting to make a teacher wait five years to get tenure to teach for the next twenty five or more. They should also be evaluated annually every year after that. Most employers give annual performance reviews. Four times is a little excessive. Please explain to me how making sure that someone is going to do a good job teaching our children is outrageous?
Thanks,
DAW
DAW
You are getting more and more like someone else I know now. Why don't you go pose your questions to a group of teachers who could defend themselves? I am certain you will be very popular with them as is Haslam and his buddies. Just sign me...
A former Republican but still a conservative
Looks like I am reading discussions now. They don't agree but at least it's not move, drinking kool-aid or sour grapes like one person writes.
Stay calm and keep posting.
9:04,
I am not afraid to say any of this to teachers. I have very good friends and several family members that are teachers. The teachers that do a good job have nothing to worry about. Just like anyone else that works hard and performs well. It is the ones that are mediocre that would have an issue with what I am saying. Most of the teachers already have tenure and wouldn't be effected, other than performance reviews. This would just ensure that incoming teachers are qualified and willing to do their job. It may also weed out the ones that are going into the profession for the wrong reasons.
You see, most people don't have a union backing them so they can complain about wages and benefits. Most of us are at the mercy of the employer. We may not like it, but we do it because it provides for our family. People working for unions have become so out of touch with reality that they have come to expect luxuries.
Some of the state governments are finally standing up to the unions. Anytime someone stands for change, their will be opposition. Haslam, Chris Christie, Scott Walker and some other state Governors are just what America needs to get us back on the right track.
There is nothing wrong with a teacher paying a portion of their benefits. There is nothing wrong with them waiting 5 years instead of 3 to pretty much be guaranteed a job until they retire. I can't believe that you would stand and argue the future of our children over some very slight changes in policy.
Thanks,
DAW
Part 1
DAW, I respected you when you first started posting. However, what you have just posted proved that you have jumped on the bash teachers bandwagon and you have NO concept of what it takes to be a teacher in the TN public school system. First of all, if you want your child to get a good education, then perhaps you should get the governor and his cronies to repeal the five year tenure law and the ridiculous evals. That would free up time to teach. Whoever told you that you can't get rid of a tenured teacher lied to you, an outrageous lie. Tenure is due process and simply means you can't be fired because T.J. is having a bad day. The problem is administrators are too timed or lazy or afraid or under orders from the hill to not document a "bad" teacher. (and yes there a some in the school system) There is no other professional occupation that requires a five year probationary period and then if that milestone is reached, the administration can yank the rug out from under the professionally trained teacher. Teacher's hours, you say....I know many, most in fact that go in early, for free, stay late for free, take work home for free, accept parent calls on personal time for free and most of these also work a second job to make ends meet. Oh I almost forgot, most teachers can't afford magic wands to clean and decorate their classroom before school starts, so that's another week out of their "cushy" schedule that's donated to the GC schools, but even that's not good enough for you DAW. Let's talk about the pay scale, but this round listen to the facts. Some teachers make good money, if they have advanced degrees (usually with a heavy student loan debt) and years of experience. You think $40 k is good money for a professionally trained person to teach your child. How much does you child's pediatrician make. Many of Giles teachers have an equal amt of education. Do attorney's make more? How about our CPA at the Financial Mgt office. What do they make.What would you pay a plumber to unclog your toilet, DAW? How come if GC teacher's pay is so great, it's not posted on the internet like all surrounding counties, DAW. Why doesn't the big powerful "union" make them post it. TEA is not a union. Intelligent people know that. GCEA is not a union. And by the way, even if they were, I am hard pressed to find anything that they have accomplished for the local teachers in many many years. Daw, tell me why an ethical employer would deliberately try to mislead it's employees and the public. Don't believe the director does that? It's in black and white.
end of part 1
Scared teacher
DAW
I told you that teachers would not appreciate your wisdom. You just didn't have a clue and, to a large degree, neither did I.
I'm wondering if this will humble you just a bit? It never works on the one who thinks he knows everything. I trust that you are a better person than he is.
12:07 is just a teacher with a chip on his or her shoulder that should have chosen another profession. If you got into it for the pay, then you deserve what you are making. Everyone knows that you aren't going to get rich. But I have yet to see any teachers living in the slums. I have yet to see them driving beat down cars or their kids look like they grew up in poverty. Don't give me all the poor pitiful me stuff. How much money does a teacher save on daycare because of the hours? How many teachers get summer jobs, and not because they have to, because they have the time to do it?
The majority of college graduates have student loan debt. That doesn't just apply to teachers. I think $40k a year is very good money to teach. If you are so intelligent and put in all the hours in college, why didn't you become a CPA or a Pediatrician. I know that Hiller Plumbing is hiring right now. Starts at $22/hr. Go ahead and call and start playing in toilets. The choice is yours.
If teaching was so terrible, we wouldn't have people lined up to get the jobs in Giles County.
DAW
DAW
I believe you to be almost as arrogant as someone else we both know from this blog. Seems to me that you are aligned with the likes of Haslam and his buddies.
That teacher didn't impress me as one who has a chip on the shoulder. He or she was just telling you some things you didn't know or consider, and it appears to me that you got a chip on the shoulder because of what was said.
Playing in toilets? Yes, you are getting just like him.
By the way, as I stated above, teachers that perform well don't have to be SCARED of the new policies that are being debated in the legislature.
DAW
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/tennessee/teacher-salary-in-giles-county-school-district/
Can anyone tell me how accurate this data is regarding the teacher pay?
Thanks,
DAW
Maybe DAW should get his child on the waiting list for the new private school when it opens in Giles county next year.
I think he needs to go share his thoughts at a teacher's meeting or convention.
DAW, I see you’ve gotten a taste of the enabler who thinks that anyone who knows more than him and proves it is arrogant. The only problem with the website you posted is it's too accurate. The amazing thing is I posted the same website a couple of years ago and got exactly the same reaction. Your comments about teacher pay and tenure is right on the spot. Problem is some folks just don’t like facts that mess with their preconceived notions and beliefs.
To the person who stated that the GCEA (Giles County Education Association) and the TEA (Tennessee Education Association) an affiliate of the NEA (National Education Association) aren't unions, that statement by itself should be grounds to question your teaching credentials and general knowledge. If you pay dues to them, they represent you in grievances and collective bargaining just what would you call them if not unions?
Excluding pre-school Giles County Teachers average over $40,000.00 a year for less than 200 work days; they have a lower student to teacher ratio than surrounding counties and lower than most Tennessee counties. Is their work hard, yes but not any worse than many other jobs and not as bad as many others. Consider a graduate of a Service Academy such as West Point with a degree in economics, any number of engineering disciplines, etc. They graduate and their starting salary is $42,030.00 a year. For that they are on duty or on call over 320 days a year. They may be sweltering in Afghanistan with people shooting at them or freezing in Korea with people waiting to shoot at them, they might even have a cushy job at the Pentagon or in a two year span they may be in all three places. The pay is the same. The point is everyone has difficulties to contend with in their jobs but they chose those jobs and since slavery has been outlawed one can choose to leave one job and take another. If teaching isn’t what you thought it would be do something else. Many teachers leave the profession each year, many are very good teachers who are dissatisfied with the restrictions placed on them and are unafraid of depending on their own abilities.
You say a tenured teacher can be fired and you are right but between the “weak” supervision and the strong union it is a monumental task and very rare. Even those who have committed serious crimes continue to be paid for months and months after their arrest.
I have substituted many times in both the regular schools and the alternative school. Not once did I experience a disciplinary problem, primarily I believe it was because I made it clear from the start what I expected from the students. One thing I learned at the alternative school. Students were sent there many times simply because their teacher had less patience and understanding than the student. In alternative school the students are prohibited from speaking to each other and must sit with there face to the wall with solid dividers separating each student. They spend the entire day completing assignments. Now the amazing thing is with those conditions there were a large number of students who expressed a preference to being in alternative school over being in their regular classes.
Finally you state, “Daw, tell me why an ethical employer would deliberately try to mislead it's employees and the public. Don't believe the director does that? It's in black and white”.
While I am not DAW and would not pretend to speak for him, he certainly seems able to do that for himself, I would like to ask you in response to your question, why do you let him get away with it?
Barrett
Are you implying that you know more than someone else? If so, that is classic arrogance. You are incredible. And I see you are still telling the lie that I am an enabler. Will you again threaten to expose me for speaking my mind?
To the 12:29 poster
What I stated was "I see you’ve gotten a taste of THE ENABLER WHO THINKS THAT ANYONE WHO KNOWS MORE THAN HIM AND PROVES IT IS ARROGANT".
Of course I know more than someone else about some things just as I know much less about something than many others.Don't you know more than someone else about certain things? How many people know what size shoe you wear? If you know the size then you must be arrogant based on your expressed statement because certainly there are many who have no clue about what size shoe you wear.
By the way I never threatened to expose you for speaking your mind, that's your though even after being told numerous times that the problem wasn't speaking your mind but making constant accusations and personal attacks without any supportive evidence, the problem was you were in your own obnoxious way preventing others from making use of the blog.
I find it very interesting that when you disagree with someone you make the claim that it's they who disagree with you because there's something wrong with them. You can't even take responsibility for your own insignificant opinions.
Barrett
Oh, you indeed threatened to expose me. Please don't deny it. That is exactly why I left this "free speech" blog. For reasons that are really none of your concern, I cannot afford to be "exposed", and it floored me that you didn't seem to have any respect for that. And don't bother trying to come back with something like I have something to hide or promote that is wrong or evil. Again, that would be a lie. Don't you find it just a tiny bit hypocritical to accuse me of making accusations and personal attacks on others?
Insignificant opinions? My opinions are just as important to me as are those you hold near and dear. I would think opposing viewpoints and opinions are the hear and soul of a discussion blog. Well, aren't they?
The contract between GCEA and the teachers states that under no circumstances will an employee be suspended with pay. If T.J. doesn't like you, he can suspend you. By the time your innocence is proven, you quite possibly would be bankrupt, homeless or both. Rumors and innuendos do not have to be true to ruin a teacher. I know of no teacher who thinks they have it worse than our honorable service men and women. They are severely underpaid. But I do not understand the teacher bashing and that's what it is. We "work" 180 days, on paper that is, because that's what we were hired to do. As for asking the director why the handbook lies about the step raises personally. I was at a public meeting when a teacher did just that. She was transferred at the next semester because suddenly there was a greater need for her services, (in the middle of the year.) GCEA lifted not a finger to help, nor did TEA. All of you experts about teaching conditions are very much like childless people who give advice to young parents. Things on the surface are not always the true picture. Gee, I think a doctor is super rich and can do whatever he wants to, choose his own hours, etc. Oh wait, never mind they entered the workforce approx. 10 yrs later that most folks, have enormous debt, have to build a clientele, etc. I haven't walked in their shoes, I have been to the doctor though. Does that qualify me to know how they should do their job. Just because you have been to school, that does not qualify you to tell educators how to do their job. All you experts on education are encouraging legislatures to add mounds and mounds of paperwork to a teachers job which takes away from instructional time. Did that ever occur to any of you? Do you think it might be a good idea for the governor to check with someone who actually teaches, before passing laws that create chaos, low moral, expensive paperwork and in the end are useless. You know, theory is a great thing and lots and lots of things work great on paper, practical implementation is where the rubber meets the road. It's hard to go to work everyday and help these students when every body out in the community is hoping and praying you will screw up so they can play holier than thou and point to the bad lazy teacher. I never thought I say this, but Mr. Barrette, your post shows you are no different from the other finger pointers. I really thought you were different. I have no clue what it takes to be a good minister, behind the scenes, although I do attend worship services. But everybody knows how to do my job better.
GO for it
Scared teacher, AKA Deanna
I'm done
3:29 PM Are you the one who goes regularly to the public library and posts on this blog so your true identity won't be exposed through a personal computer?
To 3:02 again you fail to either read the whole sentence or simply choose to ignore the more significant parts.
I'll try again. I never said I didn't threaten to expose you only that I didn't threaten to expose you for the reason you gave.
It's the same with your idea of hypocrisy. I never denied calling people names but each time I have I put the reason for the name with it, now you may not agree with the names I have referred to some by but as of yet you have not dis-proven or given any evidence as to why the names don't fit, including enabler. Now after Commissioner Harwell had his little moment on the square and you denied the whole thing happened until it was posted on U-Tube then you defended his calling another man a sexual slur I began referring to you as the enabler and have seen no reason to change now. Because you say it's not true means nothing compared to the evidence that you are.
You see the difference between what I have done and what you are doing is I have supplied reason and evidence while you just repeat over and over the same sad chant.
So the hypocrisy is firmly planted on you.
Deanna,
I don't think anyone has said that they hope you fail. It is the system all across the nation that is failing children.
DAW
To Scared teacher.
I'm sorry that i didn't make myself more clear in my post about teaching.
If you have followed my involvement with the school system you would have known that I have stood firm with the classroom teacher often referring to them as "heroes". Certainly some are not as good as others and the bad must be gotten rid of, but even the mediocre in the classroom is doing a job most many would not do. My complaint with the school system has been centered on a bloated administrative staff, a do nothing union and a leadership than can not be trusted. These things I have voiced many times to the school board and in County Commission meetings. The classroom teacher can be evaluated fairly without adding more paperwork or intrusions on their time. Classroom teachers need support not more restrictions and laborious paperwork. Discipline is missing from the classroom because many teachers are so unsure of what they can do and be supported by the administration. When I speak of the administration it does not necessarily include the office staff in the school.
Vindictiveness has governed the school system far to long in Giles County. They locked me and Fred up for trying to change the way business was done so I am well aware of the consequences you face but it must be done or nothing will ever change.
I don't know if you are aware that the largest property tax increase in the past fifteen years was done based on lies from the school system. Their claimed desperation became low priority and the money was spent on other things after they got it and the county has been paying through the nose ever since.
It's unfortunate but the fact is everyone in the school system too often gets lumped together and judged by the actions of a few. Based on your last reaction apparently I too am guilty.
What I ask of you is that you please check out my whole history with the classroom teacher before determining where my finger points.
If you use the computer at the library, do you not have to sign in and the library staff know who used which computer at what time?
No, they locked you and your buddy up for misbehaving.
No, you threatened to get an attorney and have me exposed...PERIOD! Do you not recall saying that I was perhaps just one post away from your seeing into doing that? And for what...or posting my opinions? I have a copy of the post you made, so please don't say you didn't threaten me.
Please don't lecture me on hypocrisy. And speaking of names that fit, I believe (my opinion) the term hypocrite more aptly describes you than anyone I know.
Question. If you knew for a fact that an individual was caught up in fornication, would you point fingers and publicly call him a fornicator? Just because something is true may or may not give you the right to call names.
I wish Barret would expose the enabler. I would like to know who acts like a small child so.
10:08,
If they exposed the enabler and didn't expose everyone else that posted anonymous, including you, there would be grounds for a defamation lawsuit. It would also be breaking privacy laws.
Maybe you would like to do away with the anonymous feature? I think it would be great!
DAW
DAW
So soon you have started drinking the kool-aid.
I wonder if the teachers would see you as an enabler of Haslam politics?
DAW, I posted 10:08 and agree with you, also I don't care if my name is told, but will post anonymous as long as the enabler does.
I thought you and the enabler might be friends but from 7:30's post looks like he's after you.
My reason for calling him enabler is only way I know to identify him and his kool-aid.
Oh yes, thanks for not being a coward and signing your name.
Will someone please give him a name other than the enabler? I don't even like to say it. Something like Pistol Pete or The Giles Countian would be better than the enabler. I don't care if they choose one themselves.
7:30,
Don't be dumb.
DAW
DAW
Please get over yourself. Conceitedness is not attractive.
To the 7:21 poster.
If you have a copy of my post please have someone read it for you and explain what the words mean. I never denied saying, "you were perhaps just one post away from being exposed". I meant it as a promise if you prefer to take it as a threat fine. I never threatened to get an attorney to expose you I would do it myself if it's decided to be done.
As for the reason I spoke of exposing you had nothing to do with your insignificant opinions but with the fact you were personally attacking private citizens with unfounded accusations and disrupting the opportunity for others to carry on intelligent conversations. Your opinions are not bothersome to me it's the multitude of lies you were posting that that was the problem.
You say, "Just because something is true may or may not give you the right to call names." It may surprise you to know that I agree with you but there is a huge difference in how public officials and private citizens are treated. I understand with your self expressed penchant for gossip why you would prefer to talk about a person without providing their names or proof of your claims, but I find it despicable. Perhaps you would prefer such people and Anthony Weiner not be exposed for their actions that show not only dishonesty and poor judgement but also contempt for those they serve along with their own family. We have some in Giles County politics who are just as dishonest and conniving as Weiner that you have chosen to protect.
11:03,
This isn't a beauty contest.
DAw
Mr. Barrett
Would you care to name those YOU find just as dishonest and conniving as Weiner?
What unfounded accusations and lies have I told? I think what really bothered you was the fact that I kept telling you that the name you were calling me was and still is a lie.
You mentioned my insignificant opinions? I suppose yours then are significcant? Do you see any arrogance at all there?
Look, I would rather be able to get along with you, but it doesn't seem likely. I find your attitude and behavior just as despicable as anything you might ascribe to me.
7:11 PM A persdon can't get arrested for 'misbehaving'. The arrests were made for 'disrupting a meeting' yet in court both men were proved innocent, having gone by the school board rules in order to have time to speak at a meeting. If you recall, Michael Gonzales and other members of the school board were proved at fault. Thank you.
Ever heard of contempt of court?
9:43 Why don't you tell us about it or do you know?
Who are "us"?
9:10 Could it be people that read this blog? I think I've seen that question from you before.
Maybe it means all Anonymous.
You must of been the one wrote 9:43 and it was meant to only one person, but who?
5:11
I did indeed post 9:43.
No, I wasn't referring to just anyone who might read this blog. I nelieve the "us" is a very small group of cheerleaders and whiners who just will not stop trying to make trouble. Are you one of them?
7:05 Poor thing, I wanted to know what you meant by contempt of court. Why post something if you can't explain it.
Did you mean WAB had contempt of the court judge? When I said us I meant me and anyone else reading the post.
Maybe everyone else understood, but I didn't.
Don't feel bad 7:41 are take it personal 7:05 is always shooting off their mouth with out any proof or explanation. The guy is so obsessed with WAB that everything in their life centers around what WAB has
done, is doing are might do.
He never answers questions just pretends he's obama and trys to make people think he's so smart they just didn't understand his answers.
7:41
Oh yes, I truly believe he had nothing but contempt for the judge. I also think (my opinion) he has a lot of contempt for Judge Jones. Let me think of a few others I think he has more than contempt for. Shall me start with Mrs. Vanzant? Others that come to mind are ALL District 7 commissioners, Mrs. Bassham and her staff, Stoney Jackson, and anyone who disagrees with his views or points out his behavior.
8:15 You may be right, but you also have nothing but contempt for WAB right?
8:09 I think you are right.
8:15 Were you the one reported the prayer?
10:16
Not only do I have contempt for Allen Barrett but also total disrespect. It is my honest opinion that he is the biggest troublemaker and hypocrite I have ever seen. That of course is merely opinion based on how he treats others.
2:11 What did Barrett do to you to make you dislike him so?
7:42
Oh please. It's his behavior, pure and simple.
But did he do something to you personally? Or are you just out to defend anybody except WAB? Like sticking your nose into something you shouldn't.
I think he must of did something to you.
9:23
Look, it is my opinion that the man is a total hypocrite and troublemaker who should not be allowed to go unchallenged when he calls people names and males all sorts of accusations and suggestions of impropriety. It is also my belief that much of the troublemaking is fueled by intense resentment and jealousy toward those who hold elected positions in the county.
The only serious disagreements I have ever had with Barrett are the issues of zoning and home charter. I think the first one we need and the latter we don't.
Anyway, I have told Barrett right here on this blog that it's the way he treats people that angers and alienates them. I believe he would have been eventually elected to some office had he used more tactful methods. But he won't listen to constructive criticism. Why is that? Here's my opinion again. He thinks he can do no wrong and that he is always right. Anyone who disagrees with him is somehow ignorant or intellectually inferior. That's classic arrogance.
No, Barrett has done nothing to me personally, other than to call me names. And that happens to be my business when he does. Furthermore, I consider it my business when he starts causing trouble and costing taxpayer money. I pay taxes. Some of the people he calls nasty names are my friends. Who wouldn't defend a friend? I will.
8:39 AM I am beginning to wonder about your sanity. You make the most outlandish statements against Barrett based solely on your opinion and resentment of the man. Hope I never meet you on the street as I would want to cross over and get as far away from you as possible. You could be dangerous.
It is stupid to say that a person is dangerous because they share an opinion that is the same as a whole lot of people. 5:37, you need to get a life and would you also try to develop a mind of your own?
6:40 I'm not the one you are posting to, but what makes you think you are so smart. There are a lot of people feel the same way as WAB same as there a lot don't like what he says.
Don't you say Barret is dangerous.
You also need to get a life.
One thing about Barrett don't stay on the blog as often as you do.
If you dislike him so why don't you stay off the blog.
9:07,
Would you like to be considered dangerous just because of your opinion about someone? I never said that I was so smart, I just have to agree with the enabler on this one. All of the cheerleaders are a disappointment. They take his side by making rediculous comments about people. I guess you will have to be included in that category.
I had rather be on Barrett's side as the enabler.
Barret gives reasons for what he says, all the enabler does is say things against Barrett.
7:30 must be Mrs Enabler.
7:38,
Cheerleader!
7:38
Could you be Mrs. Barrett?
Nope, don't know Mr or Mrs Barrett, just thought he was getting so much angry from one person need to challenge the enabler.
Shall we keep this up all night?
6:40 you said "it is stupid to say that a person is dangerous because they share an opinion that is the same as a whole lot of people."
Are you aware of what you said? Having the same opinion as others simply because they have it without any given reason or supportive evidence makes it a mob mentality. Seems like there was a lot of people of the same opinion yelling crucify once upon a time. Mob mentality lynched a lot of people, populated the KKK, and destroyed many reputations. Being a member of a mob is nothing to be proud of.
Logic is what is against Barrett, not the mob. The smart people in Giles County pay him no attention. You can't reason with a foolish person. Everytime something happens in Giles County, he throws a negative spin on it. I realized what I said or I wouldn't have said it. Thanks Cheerleader.
11:22
When I posted you could be dangerous I did not particularly mean physically, but of a dangerous personality. There are plenty of those in this county and I try to avoid them at all costs.
11:22
Your post is one of the better ones I have seen on this blog. You are absoluitely correct that smart people pay no attention to Barrett and that it is he who just has to put a negative spin on practically everything. I often wonder what might have happened in his life to cause him to be that way.
What does all this have to do with the wheel tax?
Why don't you start your own blog against WAB and stop trying to change the subject of every thread?
Mike G.
Having an open mind and the ability to think are indeed dangerous weapons
clearly 11:22 has come to the discussion unarmed.
9:45,
No, clearly he told the truth because you have to give your usual childish input. Why don't you try to say something important? Show us your acumen in the ability to think. The problem is that you can't. I feel sorry for you.
You can skip the right back at you post. I already expect it. Don't take all the time to one-finger type your post. You big ol' bad cheerleader.
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