Time To Start Work On A New County Charter
After having spoken with a number of folks who are suffering from voters regret, it may be time to break the malaise created from the defeat of the Charter and election of the Chicago thug and start work on a new Charter.
After the behavior and decisions of some in leadership positions it's easier to become re-energized to the idea of creating a new Charter. Certainly the wild spending that has taken place with the hospital funds being depleted to non existence, money disappearing, bills and personnel not being paid, and no one willing to take responsibility to fix the problems this should be a prime time to get a Charter passed. Especially now that we know to what lengths the opposition is willing to go. Much was learned from the last effort that encourages for the next effort.
I'll have more to say on this subject in the near future. In the mean time think about and consider what role you would be willing to consider in the monumental effort.
After the behavior and decisions of some in leadership positions it's easier to become re-energized to the idea of creating a new Charter. Certainly the wild spending that has taken place with the hospital funds being depleted to non existence, money disappearing, bills and personnel not being paid, and no one willing to take responsibility to fix the problems this should be a prime time to get a Charter passed. Especially now that we know to what lengths the opposition is willing to go. Much was learned from the last effort that encourages for the next effort.
I'll have more to say on this subject in the near future. In the mean time think about and consider what role you would be willing to consider in the monumental effort.
posted by Allen Barrett | 2:58 PM
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How many signatures are needed? I would be willing to collect at least 25 from my neighbors.
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5:29 was deleted because of comments indicating the encouragement of self mutilation.
Throw enough crap against the wall and maybe some will eventually stick. Go get 'em Barrett. Maybe you will won something in this county before you die.
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I think parents need to monitor their 2nd graders a bit more closely when they get on here. I mean really, is that what passes for intelligent conversation in y'all's household? No wonder our youths are faced with such challenges when they go out into the world. Y'all are just a bunch of big assed babies.
Ray Lanier
You tell 'em Ray. You act like such an adult. I totally respect how you use foul language. Your vocabulary is so extensive. How did you become so smart? Some folks will never realize that you enjoy your life in the slums. Some folks will never respect the jealousy and resentment you have for those who have done something with their lives.
Yep, 8:49, you're a role model, that's for sure. When I grow up, I want to be just like you, only smart like me.
It was the big assed baby remark that won you over, wasn't it? Maybe someday you'll be able to think of witty remarks like that. I'll be glad to teach you, for a small fee of course. All you have to do is hit your knees and ask nicely.
Ray Lanier
Lets get back on the important subject of if there is interest enough to try for another charter. I can help.
Judging by the intelligent remarks already made on this topic above , we have to assume that the intelligence level locally is such that folks wouldnt know to queue up for free money if it was offered . So how can these same Einsteins be expected to understand how a well written charter could save them money by curbing some of the crazy-stupid spending that Giles' government indulges itself in ? Locals will continue to listen to the threats from the knuckle-draggers and vote it down 'cuz it's bin this way fer 2 hunnert years ...
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Anything Barrett supports will fail .... Enough said!
10:57 Now that's an unintelligent and nasty comment to make. So you accept that if you and WAB were supporting the same candidate, referendum, etc you would count on failure? Shame on you.
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The problem is you are just too stupid to make an intelligent comment 5:10.
5:10 You must not of read them before they got deleted. What am I talking about you are probably the one wrote them.
I believe that Mr. Lanier's comments should be removed as well; surely that sort of language is out of place in a public discussion, no matter what side one happens to be on.
When will they learn. These same people are responsible for Financial Management which had the worst audit in history! I know, it is because they wrong people are in charge. Well if the charter comes the same people will be in charge. :-)
6:46 Your statements are totally ridiculous. Who was in charge of implementing Financial Management? Wasn't it Vanzant, Tommy Cambell, etc.? It was passed but sabotaged by many of your favorite public officials. Who was responsible for all the hiring? Look at the placement of Terry Harwell in the financial management office. They couldn't even forward teachers premiums to AFLAC and you try to blame citizens that had no involvement in the implementation of the act. Try blaming the ones who purposely sabotaged it because they believe they should not be held accountable for frivolously spending tax payer money.
The financial management act is solid and will soon be the required system state wide. The problem is just as 7:05 stated incompetent and selective administration. When a person "steals" thousands of dollars and continues in their job without even a reprimand it's not the program it's the people running it.
And if Financial Management had not been in place, many of the problems that have come to light in the past handful of years would never have been known by the public.
That's the problem 10:21 they don't want those activities made public, why do you think vanzant and company hate Barrett so much?
10:21, how can you say that? The audit has always been public knowledge, it has always been there for the public to see. They would always have been public. There has never been any problem like this before. There was never a credit card to abuse before Financial Management. That is where the problem came in. I understand a credit card might not be a bad idea, but just for making reservations but never out of control of Financial Management. No money should have been spent without a purchase order first. I agree someone should be reprimanded at the very least.
So what 5:19 is saying is that all the overtime that was paid and then time sheets doctored a year later was due to the issuance of credit cards? That is a joke. Financial management has no rules that credit cards have to be issued, or that they are issued with out restrictions and checks in place for governing their abuse. Try again. What about the teachers premiums that were not forwarded, the hospital fund being abused and robbed, the hiring of incompetence; that is all on the administration. The financial management is a benefit if those individuals who are in place to see it implemented are not trying to derail it.
Ray sure is asking guys to get on their knees alot. I am starting to think he may be a switch hitter.
Looks like someone can't post unless it's against Barrett or Ray What a joker.
Who's idea was the credit card?
7:05 What does teachers premium have have to do with administration? The premiums are taken out of pay checks, all checks are written at Financial Management and paid by them. That has absolutely nothing to do with administration. Actually the school system could have dropped out of the Financial Management because of bills not being paid. Financial Management got the credit cards. Overtime should have never been paid without time sheets. The Finanace office should have never paid it without documentation. Do I think that the administration in charge of allowing overtime should be punished in some way, yes. Do I think that someone should have to repay the outrageous charges that were put on the credit card, yes.
8:10, the credit card was Loretta Garner's idea. The idea was a good one because too many people won't take a purchase order. There was a lack of control of the use. No one should have been allowed to take the card on a trip and use it.
6:43
Who was responsible for best fit hiring practices versus most qualified, the administration. If the people you hire are incompetent or crooked and you defend them it is all on you and that is what I have seen in our counties administration. Why are you repeating mostly what I said and trying to make an argument out of it?
So, BACK to the question at hand
WHO IS READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO HELP WITH THE NEXT RUN AT PASSING A COUNTY CHARTER ??
Sitting at home muttering WONT make it happen
Who is willing to be the Focal ?
Need a NAME !!
If it doesn't get started it'll miss the next election cycle
J P (Ras) Berry
Oh 7:23, it pains me that you can't seem to grasp the most simple of concepts. I hit only one way. If I had been offering to get on my knees, then perhaps your point would have had merit. Bless your heart, nice try though.
Ray Lanier
It is the same to give or receive Ray. Someone as smart as you should realize that. Poor feller.
The charter failed last time, and will probably fail again. We need some intelligent, common sense minded folks re-writing the charter if we expect it to pass. IMO, it is just another way for some more "good ole boys" to get their hands in the local government.
Quit being stupid 10:48 the good ole boys are local government.
All you charter folks need to read the definition of insanity.
Why is it when the Financial Management passed these same folks said "The majority had voted so get over it." Well this time it is the same thing. The majority voted against the charter so GET OVER IT!
Here is the thing 6:02. I did not vote for the charter but after seeing the abuse and lack of accountability in our county government I believe a charter will be a good thing. So since I have changed my mind as I know other citizens in the county have, be prepared, there are a lot of citizens who believe a charter is needed.
What would make the charter issue go away? Simple, accountability by the county officials and employees who abuse their power and privileges.
We were voted in by a majority of people in our districts and there is not a damn thing you charter people can do about it. We are in charge and we know how to best run this county. We do not need a bunch of people whining. Just shutup and we will do what is right.
You haven't so far. Can you say hospital fund, because you can sure rob it.
The hospital fund is County money and we will use it for whatever we decide.
Hence a charter is needed.
Hence the arrogance of 739....you are so hung up on yourself. That's the problem. Are things going so well in this county? Are the finances and the accountability the way they should be? Jobs? Businesses? Schools? My bet is you'll say yes. I call that denial, you may like things status quo, but my bet is you must benefit somehow that the majority doesn't get to expeience. Charter or not- no one should be able to run things the way they have been-its wrong.
get over it, you are not in charge. We have been runing this county for years and we like the way things are. So do the people who keep us elected. We do not need trouble makers trying to change everything. Get over it.
Yes unfortunately we have to get through it for at least another 2 years. Until then we just have retirement , health, or moving as the usher of change. Remember though, one day you reap the benefits of what you sow and get exposed for what you are..
12:59 part of the problem is that most people don't realize what has been going on. Most people don't know that the hospital money has already been spent, that the commissioners have done nothing to discipline those responsible for the thief of tax money, or the total collapse of the budget, violations of civil rights and the plain mismanagement of county government.
The attitude of just shut up and take it is very much like that of commissioner Harwell who's motto has come to be "I'm a county commissioner now what you gonna do about it" after physical and verbally abusing citizens. You may think you are above the law now but just like other arrogant thugs your time will come.
The inbreds are getting ready with more spending when they vote in Miss Green. With her husband on the school board readily admitting he voted for everything Tee Jackson wanted! Harwell trying to discredit the other candidate.
Someone please write down who voted for her and see who the self interest people are.
The vote to fill the vacant seat in the 5th district went this way;
Commissioner Carpenter was absent sick, and Commissioner Cary abstained on the first vote.
Commissioners Flacy, Jackson, Beech, Reedy, Brown, Houston, Coleman, Campbell and Harwell voted for Greene.
A second vote was taken and Cary joined with the previous voters for Greene.
Each of the remaining Commissioners voted for Doggett both times.
While Greene may be fine an capable--it's apparent that the delay in filling this position was to enable some commissioners the time they need to "stack" the deck.
Now is a good time to see who is posting and let the light of day come on a commissioner.
4:45 apparently you have not been to very many school board meetings. Mr. Green did not vote for everything Jackson wanted. In fact he was very outspoken in the opposite direction. He speaks his opinion even when it was against his cousin Beverly Murrey. There are very seldom anybody at board meetings except a few teachers, commissioners unless there is a big controversy. Every gripes because commission meetings are not at night but if the school board attendance by the public is any example it would not make any difference. Doggett has a handicap by being backed by Barrett.
To 6:35 Jim Greene admitted at the meeting before Tee Jackson retired that he made mistakes backing Jackson. Check it out! The truth hurts.
The Greenes are building a new house are they moving out of the district.
Vanzant has been pushing Greene through Campbell and looks like the fix is in and more Vanzant servants will be on the commission. Why ain't one of the people who ran for that position considered?
looks like barrett is stiring the pot again with his hateful comments under bias in local reporting. Maybe thought no one would see them since it's a older topic.
6:35 I didn't know Barrett was for Doggett. I thought they didn't want him because he was a good Christian man.
cg is at it again. Maybe saying things against Barrett makes him happy. Sounds like what he lives for.
9:31 PM Would be a hoot to be vindicated.
Backing somone at times does not mean you have always agreed and went along with everything they did or said.
Some of you people are off on another personal issue with Barrett, instead of looking at the Charter issue. If 12:59 is really a commissioner it would have been nice to sign his/her name. Also if they are it's a hell of a way to govern. Again that running the county this way for years comes up. How is it people don't see the problem with that. Things have changed over the years. It's about time that corruption in Giles County comes to an end. The people running the county are against the Charter because then commissioners could do just what they want. You people need to wake up and call Barrett to see how you can help.
The last person I would call would be Allen Barrett. Why do you think there is corruption? Just because people don't do things your way does not make them corrupt. The majority has already spoken, get over it. And for those of you who have said they have changed their mind, I can assure you that more than that have changed their mind after voting for Financial Management.
Maybe you should call Barrett you would learn a thing or two. A lot have people have stated had they the opportunity to do it over they will vote yes for a charter. Live with the fact you will be voting for a charter again and many are wise to the lies that have been told.
6:39 Financial Management is a government accounting procedure and has zero to do with how the current administration has manipulated the laws to fit the needs of theirs and theirs friends in county government. f it hadn't been for Financial Management none of the things we have read about - even minutely would never have come to light. Instead of telling us what happened, it has been covered up. We need to vote a bunch of these folks out of office when the opportunity comes.
Does anyone really think that the same people running the government now would be any different with a charter? Nothing changed with Financial Management except the difficulty for the department to do every day business. Ask the teachers how they like Financial Management, they were forced to go to direct deposit and it is next to impossible to get a check corrected.
9:29 And whose fault is that? The employees in the financial management office, not the system. Call a commissioner and complain, there is one working in the office.
Financial Management that we have will be state wide within the next five years.
6:39 asked the question, "Why do you think there is corruption?"
Well, just look at the most recent state audit at the money that was stolen by the special ed director and the EMS office with Vanzant's blessings.
Look at all the money that is still unaccounted for and behavior of some current county employees and elected officials.
Why is there corruption, because people are allowed to get away with it. You might be better off with less concern about Barrett and more about the the county mayor and her stooges.
The majority has already spoken, get over it. so we have the Financial Management. Instead of getting over it, did they say, "We'll see it fails?"
The majority has already spoken, get over it. Don't you just love those words cg?
Apparently comprehension is not your strong point! Reread the post. The key word is "more" if you need a hint.
I saw more in two post which one are you talking about 11:53?
Dec. 12 @ 10:48
To those of you who worked so hard to defeat the charter the first time it came up, get ready to fight this thing again. We beat it handily the first time, and we can do it again. I've saved my NO CHARTER signs and hope you have done so as well. Let's defeat these people as many times as we have to for the good of Giles County. Be ready!
How many thousands of dollars did that first charter attempt cost this county? People ned to think about that and who is behind it...a VERY SMALL minority of people.
10:53
Don't you know it it takes money to make money? Who cares, it's only money.
And shame on you 4:24. How are our local sign making companies going to make money if you keep them old signs? Throw them away and buy new ones. Heck you sound like one of them dumb conservatives.
The voters didnt want the charter the first time around. Why would they want it this time? That's the point we who oppose it will be driving home to the people of Giles County.
6:17 People do change their mind.
Have you ever noticed a man run for president and get beat. Next time he runs he gets elected.
You never know what people will do.
People who worked for it just might work against it next time or the ones against just might work for it next time. You never know which way the wind will blow.
I'm sure the anti-charter folks by and large voted against Obama,and we all know how that turned out. Never take anything for granted.
Why does our County Executive shop at Wal-Mart during "normal business hours" when she is to be working for the Citizens of Giles County?
My wife cheked out Mrs. Vanzant's purchases yesterday at 2:17 PM.
Usually she does her shopping earlier must have been running late. So many people to threaten, intimidate and manipulate how does she do it all in just a five hour work day.
I guess the majority of the voters of this county haven't been crapped on enough to say "enough is enough", yet. Until this county goes to financial hades things will never get better.
7:37 Perhaps Mrs. Vanzant was there picking up supplies for her office or for some other county office? Why don't you call and ask her instead of trying to stir up needless trouble?
Why don't you call her and ask her, 3:18? You seem to want to be her champion, I'm sure she would tell you.
1L:23
Why should I call and ask Mrs. Vanzant? I'm not the one trying to stir up trouble.
You're the one always taking up for the corrupt officials, I figured you could ask her over one of yall's tattle sessions.
Come on, cg, just gonna leave me hangin' like that?
Why is it that you clal anyone who disagrees with the hate-mongering that goes on here a cg or whatever?
I clals it like I sees it, cg.
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We will fight the charter again if necessary. The people didn't want it before, and I am confident that it will just as soundly defeated again.
Sorry, 3:49, but it passed on a campaign based on lies and deceit. Many people have since learned the truth and I believe you'll be surprised at the outcome of the next vote. With the exception of yourself, most people don't like being made a fool of. You, however, seem to thrive on it.
What do you consider "soundly defeated?" By the numbers, over half of the voters were in favor of the charter,and that was without having an accurate picture of what the charter meant. Next time, voters will be more informed as to the benefits afforded by a Home Rule Charter.
With math skills like that, you must have gone to Giles County High, fool. If over half voted for the Charter, we would have it in place now.
12.02 Did you have to call him/her a fool?
I have to agree with you we would have the charter if over half of the votes was for it.
They must of meant a lot of people was for it but didn't vote.
No, 7:37, I suppose I didn't have to call the poster a fool. It was uncalled for and I apologize for my childish behavior.
9:10
In my opinion, the little group who keep trying to stir up trouble are the ones making fools of the ones who blindly follow them. They tried the same thing with this so-called charter, and it was (let me say this again) soundly defeated. It wasn't even close.
Come on, cg, get with the program. You know you want the charter to pass
"so-called" charter, 5:30? You mean it was something else disguised as a charter? That's definitely information that you should take to the authorities. I mean, that's the advice you always give others on here, isn't it? With great knowledge -- which you seem to think you have -- comes great responsibility. Perhaps this is a case of "do as I say, not as I do." A fine example it is that you are setting, cg. Fine indeed.
What's wrong, cg? Spending all your time at the sheriff's office reporting the "so-called charter" conspiracy? Gotta back that mouth up with a bit of action, don't you? laughable.
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