WAB: Appointment of Mrs. Judy Roberts as interim Financial Management Director?
Right after the vote approving the Financial Management Act I went on record and said that the
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I also predicted that every effort would be made to install Mrs. Roberts into that position. This was met with firm assurance that it couldn’t happen because she didn’t meet the requirements. I took a lot of heat over that and even some friends denied the possibility. When Mrs. Vanzant appointed only commissioners to the Financial Management Committee instead of regular citizens people began to be less skeptical of my prediction.
After much foot dragging, useless expense, and misdirected advertising by the committee, WKSR reported on 12 April that presently there were no qualified applicants for the job of Financial Director. To remedy this, the proposal was made by Mrs. Vanzant to fill the position temporarily with Mrs. Roberts, surprise, surprise, surprise.
Here’s the problem, Mrs. Roberts is a very diligent, tireless worker that has contributed much to this county during her years of service, but she only manages budgets made by others. Basically what this would mean is “business as usual” but at a higher price.
One major purpose of the Financial Management Act is to have an independent person create budgets based on information submitted by the different offices. What this would help prevent is the massive manipulation of budgets that show one thing while actually doing something very different. If the Vanzant/Jackson machine is allowed to get away with this action the county will actually be worse off than before the Financial Management Act was adopted. -- Allen Barrett
I would be very interested in who WAB would like to see in that position. Laughing here.
Anonymous, Give him the applications and I'm sure he would pick someone that is QUALIFIED!
Let's see we need someone with at least 5 years of financial government experience, so let's try to recruit someone fresh out of college. Better yet, the next time we need to hire a teacher let's send applicants to everyone one the Tennessee Sex Offenders list.
The problem is that Mr. Barrett was right once again. Anonymous, is this yet another example of seeing the truth differently than do the "enlightened" ones."?
I think re[porter barrett would endorese the guy with the funny blue head...or someone else among the malcontents.
A simple question deserves a simple answer. I would very much like to see a Financial Management Director who is well qualified with the strength of character and moral integrity to do what's right and best for the county instead of what's convenient and easy.
As far as having someone in mind I do but the county couldn’t afford them. I have become familiar with some of those who are qualified but have no preference at this time.
As for the last part of your post it isn't really necessary to tell us every time you look into a mirror. Allen Barrett
So, you "suggest" that anyone who might not have YOUR approval for the job would be necessarily devoid of character and morals? How arrogant can anyone be?
I'm becoming very concerned for you anonymous. I don't know if you are intentionally twisting words to fit your agenda or if you're just stupid.
You asked who I would like to see in the position of Financial Director and I gave you a simple response that shows what I would prefer. I did not name anyone nor did I suggest that anyone who got the job without my approval would be "devoid of character and morals". There are no doubt many who would have very high character traits and outstanding morals but might not have the educational work experience. As far as I know each of those who have met the qualifications thus far is acceptable to me. I would just like someone who would not be an echo for the County Executive and the School Director. Allen Barrett
WAB...
Please don't concern yourself with my thinking. I merely pointed out what you implied. And, the funny thing is, I'm not sure you realized you were doing it. I think what really troubles you about the matter is that it's really NOT up to you, is it?
Yep, that is exactly what his problem is...they didn't ask him who he wanted.
I always love to remember that WAB came in dead last in a 4 horse race where 3 got elected!
To the poster at 5:55 & 7:54
To Dumb and Dumber
You only pointed out what you created in your little mind and tried to pass it off as something I implied. You are not merely a misguided buffoon but a vicious liar as has been revealed in numerous places on this blog.
I prefer to remember the election you describe as a "horse race", of at least being among thoroughbreds while a bunch of mules and jackasses sat on the sidelines complaining. Now which office did you run for? It is a far greater thing to have tried and failed than to never have tried at all. Running for the very first time and finishing a strong fourth while some very powerful folks were spreading vicious lies about me, I consider it a success. Allen Barrett
A strong fourth? There were only four of you! I'm not sure about the lies either. You do a pretty good job of shooting yourself in the foot.
wab...
A strong fourth? Oh, that's got to be the most outrageous thing you have said yet. Ok, since you "tried and failed", why don't you stop whining and trying to discredit those who succeeded? It just seems a timely and logical thing to do.
By the way, your calling people misguided buffoons sounds a little better than referring to them as anal buffoons. Wouldn't you agree?
Like it or not WAB DID come close, look at your election numbers. Anyway WAB, keep up the good work. You probably are contributing more to this county by NOT being a commissioner. We would never hear about lots of things that are going on if it wasnt for you.
Better to be a troublemaker and a sore loser than to be a commissioner? What kind of logic is that?
Anonymous, are you saying their the same thing?
WAB aint a sore loser and he aint a troublemaker just trying to get the word out and ruffling feathers on the ones who dont want that to haPPEN INCLuding some of the commissioners.
Laughable! What "word" is the reporter trying to get out? He has done nothing but whine, complain, and try to humiliate and discredit those who were elected last August when he came in a "strong fourth" in a four man district race. You have got to be kidding. Aren't you?
If more people had the guts to try to better our county like Mr. Barrett is doing we would be a lot better off.
Wrong again! He is just a trouble maker looking to be seen.
I find it very interesting that when WAB reveals what has really happened (and it has) it turns into a free for all about him and everyone is to forget what was reported. I have a few questions:
1. Why is everyone so quick to judge the messenger instead of the real problem?
2. Does anyone wonder why our local "real" newspaper has not done any investigating?
3. Why does everyone fixate on who is doing the revealing instead of WHAT is being revealed?
And yes I know numbers 1 and 3 are the same question just asked differently, I really would like to know the answers. And NO I am not a WAB supporter as I am sure you will write. I am a person that has read this blog since the beginning and I am getting tired of how the focus gets turned when the heat is on. We all need to go to every govermental meeting (or as many as you can attend) and start taking an active interest in what is going on, not just saying WAB is mad because he lost the election so the government agencies must be doing everything right. It has nothing to do with how you feel about WAB it has EVERYTHING to do with how you feel about our elected officials and how you feel about the job they are doing. Come on folks we need to grow up!
Amen, well said.
I'll second that! Whoops. Sounds as if I'm in training for you know what.
Yes, he really is angry because he came in a "strong fourth" in a four man race. At least that's the perception many have of him. Think.
I've known Mr. Barrett for a very long time and can assure you he is not the angry man anonymous tries to portray. I have found him to be very compassionate, considerate and an exceptional listener. He is consistent and true to his principles. He is not complicated, what you see is what you get and what he says is what he’ll try his best to do. Is he passionate about certain things, yes but not to the extreme. He does not abide a lie nor tolerate a liar. Is he perfect, of course not and he would be the first to admit it. The problem is Mr. Barrett is an outstanding young man being attacked and lied about because some can not dispute the things he is exposing. Giles County is as Mr. Barrett has stated many times a beautiful, wonderful place to live, it’s the only place he has ever chosen to live, but it has a very ugly underbelly. Some are in denial about this, some are simply unaware and some have a vested interest in not having this ugliness exposed. Being unafraid of those doing wrong is what makes him dangerous and a target for the poison tongues of those and their cronies whose positions are being threatened.
Well said also.
It is plain to see that some think if they can discredit Mr.Barrett, it will get the heat of the main issue. Maybe they have something to hide themselves. Thanks Mr. Barrett for keeping us informed.
Look, nobody I know of wants to do your hero any harm. We who have a problem with his arrogance and condescending attitude do NOT dislike the man personally or wish him misfortune. Furthermore, you are dead wrong in your assertion that we try to discredit the man (shoot the messenger) in order to take the heat off ourselves or some issue under his scrutiny. That is, as Colonel Potter said, horse hockey!
Then why do it?
Why not do it? We have just as much right to oppose as he has to expose.
Why would you oppose facts anonymous?
Please go back and read that post slowly. It was about rights and not facts. But the whiners always use that same old tired that those who disagree with them are oblivious to or unconcerned about facts or truths.
Those of my persuasion are opposed to arrogant know-it-alls who think they are the only ones smart enough to figure things out.
Let me ask you a question. Why do people stay here when they are obviously so unhappy with anything and everything about this wonderful county? It's a real mystery to me.
When I posed the question "then why do it" I was asking why try to belittle Mr. Barrett. Its great to oppose his statements but please in your opposition give us YOUR facts and not respond in a personal vein. I'd like to be able to weigh everything up. I'm not a "malcontent" just interested and since I've lived here all my life I don't understand why you think I should leave just because I may not agree with you. Sorry about that.
Okay, I'll volunteer to be a malcontent since no one else will.
To anonymous who said, " Please go back and read that post slowly. It was about rights and not facts. But the whiners always use that same old tired that those who disagree with them are oblivious to or unconcerned about facts or truths."
Okay, I read it slowly so many times I thought my jaw was going to lock up. Everytime I read it my mind jumps to the statement "It was about rights and not facts". Then you go on to say "But the whiners always use that same old tired that those who disagree with them are oblivious to or unconcerned about facts or truths." "It was about rights and not facts". I'm confused, is it about rights or facts? There you go, you say so many contradictive things you even have me confused.
Wait, I just looked up malcontent in the dictionary, I thought a malcontent was a male contestant in some kind of show. Sorry, I don't want to be a malcontent anymore.
Then stop whining!
IF EVERYONE WOULD IGNORE THOSE POSTS THAT TRY TO IGNORE FACTS AND TRY TO DISCREDIT OR ATTACK THE PERSON POSTING FACTS, THOSE POST WILL EVENTUALLY GO AWAY. LIKE THE KKK MARCHES, WHEN IGNORED THEY HAVE NO POWER. THIS INCLUDES RESPONSES BY THE POSTER BEING ATTACKED.
anonymous of April 22, 5;55 and7;54. Your post are the most arrogant post I HAVE SEEN ON THIS BLOG.
Those posts were not arrogant. They were just at odds with what you think.
Do you disagree with the concept of free speech? Or, is your philosophy of it such that I may voice my opinions and beliefs as long as they conform to yours?
To anonymous of the May 04, 2007 5:23 PM post.
One problem with your reasoning anonymous is that you simply don't apply the same rules of behavior to others that you seek for yourself.
Example 1: You state your post isn’t arrogant it was just at odds with what we think.
When others have written things with which you disagree, instead of attempting to add something productive to the conversation you simply claim they are arrogant, know-it-alls. Why can’t their post simply be “at odds with yours” instead of being arrogant? Why can’t you discuss the idea instead of making personal attacks?
Example 2: You state “Do you disagree with the concept of free speech? Or, is your philosophy of it such that I may voice my opinions and beliefs as long as they conform to yours?” There has been no one on this blog who has been more abusive of this statement than you. Over and over you have attempted to quiet people by attacking them on personal levels rather than to discuss the idea, present an opposing side and instruct on the reasoning that developed your idea. Instead you just attack the person and ignore the information. I think you could make a positive contribution to topics being discussed if you would throttle your anger and present some opposing views. Allen Barrett
ANONYMOUS 5;23 yEs I believe in free speach for everyone not just you.
ANONYMOUS April26,7;06 Just because our county is a wonderful county, do you have no desire to make it better?
Question: What would you propose doing to make this county a better place? Oh, let me guess. Get rid of everyone in public office who has a different viewpoint from yours. Then replace them with those of your persuasion who can really tell Giles Countians what's best for them. Is that pretty close to what you consider betterments for the county?
And wab, perhaps "we" have a problem with your reasoning. God gave brains to other people besides you. Just some food for thought there.
You suggest that I've been abusive and that I have atttacked people on a personal level in order to silence them. Hilarious. I seem to recall one of your recent posts wherein you called Mrs. Vanzant a liar. Oh, but that's different you would say. Here's something to consider. I may think you an idiot, but I would never call you one.
Anonymous, unfortunately those "other people" did not include you.
Sorry.
Anonymous there you go again engaging your mouth before putting your brain in gear.
You have intentionally missed the point on a number of my statements and requests of you. I have no problem with you calling me anything you can prove but if you can't show proof don't make a personal attack to cover your lack of evidence.
I have called Mrs. Vanzant a liar on several occasions and can assure you not once have I referred to her by any name not appropriate for her behavior based on the clear and simple facts. For instance what would you call a person who told several people she was a single mother trying to raise a handicapped child by herself when she is absolutely legally married and living with her husband Joe Vanzant in the Del Rose community? I may not be a shoe salesman but I know when one fits.
You ask, “What would you propose doing to make this county a better place? Oh, let me guess. Get rid of everyone in public office who has a different viewpoint from yours. Then replace them with those of your persuasion who can really tell Giles Countians what's best for them. Is that pretty close to what you consider betterments for the county?” Here even you should be able to see your problem. While claiming everyone who disagrees with you is arrogant, unwilling to accept that others have a point of view and a number of other absurd things you ask a direct question of someone then proceed to answer for that person. What could possibly be more arrogant and self-centered along with narrow-mindedness?
Then you say, “And wab, perhaps "we" have a problem with your reasoning. God gave brains to other people besides you. Just some food for thought there.”
One thing I can plainly say is that my reasoning whether a problem or not is out there for everyone to see, evaluate and respond to me by name. Where is your?
I have never disagreed with anyone expressing their “reasoning” in support of their idea. In fact I have asked you specifically a number of times to please supply some idea of your reasoning behind your objection to most everything others post. Specifically give me some “food for thought” as to why everything I post is wrong in your eyes but all you do is criticize and make personal attacks against me instead of making a reasoned argument for what you believe. I assure you I have never tried to prevent anyone from presenting their ideas or criticized others simply because their ideas were not the same as mine. Based on your continual inabilities to accept responsibility for “your ideas and reasoning” perhaps your “food for thought” would be better eaten by yourself since it’s obvious you suffer from a lack of “brain nourishment”. Allen Barrett
wab..
You got caught again! You said that your reasoning is out there for everyone to read, evaluate, and respond to. That's what I've been doing. The problem with your reasoning is that anytime someone calls your hand, you resort to name-calling and such. And you know you do.
As I have said numerous times, I have NEVER said you were wrong on anything. But you have been continually wrong in your arrogant and know-it-all attitude. Perhaps you could win the hearts and minds of those like me if you would learn a little humility. Furthermore, I'm not the only one around town who has this perception of you. Just ask around and you will see.
And no, I don't suffer from a lack of brain nourishment or knowledge.
As I said, I may think you an idiot, but I would never call you one.
Good post. The truth is there, WAB. Seek and ye shall find.
Mr. Barrett is very good at seeking. That is why he has found so much that needed exposing. THANKS MR. BARRETT THE COUNTY NEEDS YOU.
Well, it looks like the requirements for the Financial Director have changed. In spite of having at lest five fully qualified applicants we are now being told they are disqualified because they haven’t worked in Giles County for the past number of years. Somehow I thought not being a resident of Giles County wasn’t a problem as long as you held a “big” job.
The qualifications for this 70 to 90 thousand dollar a year job have been downgraded.
Basically what the qualifications are coming down to is graduate from the “Growing Tree”, count to one, currently work in the courthouse, have the initials J.R. and be able to say yes to the County Executive (before she finishes speaking is preferred but a three month training period is available). Folks the fix is in. Do we really want a Financial Director who has no accounting degree and no real experience with accounting procedures and laws instead of a person with an accounting degree and many years of government experience? This position will have a consequence on every person in Giles County. Allen Barrett
Just another trick the CO is pulling to throw a monkey wrench in the plan to keep it from working.
My mistake meant to say CE in above post.
I thought they were talking about filling the position with someone who wasn't originally from Giles Co so they wouldn't be beholden to somebody. What happened to change it?
The motion to lower the requirements was made by Mr Jackson and accepted by the rest of the committee.
Of course Mr. Jackson will do everything he can to please Vanzant. It may help him get more money. What is the reason for not pursuing the qualified applicants from the past job advertisement. If three advertisements are needed, it appears Mrs. Vanzant needs a lesson in advertising for job applicants.
The reason for not pursuing the qualified applicants, who incidentally have plenty of experience contrary to what has been said, is so Vanzant can get Judy Roberts in the job. Add to that, other than Howell the rest of the finance committee does exactly what Vanzant tells them so they are as poor as she is as far as leadership is concerned.
Anonymous...
So who should be the "leader" if Mrs. Vanzant is not qualified? I'm sure you could come up with somebody.
They should have elected one of the commissioners on that committee to chair it.
WAB
Have you heard how any of the applicants came out on this ratings thing, and how were they rated - was it like on a scale of 1 - 10.
The evaluation had a possible 300 point total. There were five applicants who received 200 or more points from the Southeast Regional Directors Institute, the agency paid by the county to do the evaluations. These are the top five applicants and their evaluation score Lisa White 260; James Murphy 250; Lorretta Garner 240; Dana Bowman 240; Elizabeth Sigmon 200. Four of these received Good or Excellent in each of the six categories they were graded in. Hope this helps. Allen Barrett
Well it looks like the county is one step closer to hiring Mrs. Judy Roberts as the Financial Management Director. At this morning’s committee meeting of the seven members casting votes she received six, this was more than anyone else. The amazing thing is of those who received votes she was the least qualified.
We have watched this evaluation process go from seeking a highly qualified person with a degree in accounting to lowering the requirements so that anyone presently working in the Courthouse could qualify. We were first told that the evaluation by The Fanning Institute had revealed no qualified candidates. It was this understanding that was used to justify lowering the requirements. Soon after that we learned that there had been qualified and highly qualified candidates. The people and the committee were straight out lied to. Even after learning of this disgusting deception the committee still allowed less qualified people to apply. To make things even worse and invite a lawsuit the last five candidates were not even evaluated by the same people or the same criteria. Basically it was a matter of if they applied they’re considered qualified. The plan is now for the committee to meet the applicants for interviews, I have to say that very tongue in cheek as the interview will actually consist of the committee listening as the Chairman asks questions from a list prepared by CTAS for someone fresh out of college. These interviews are scheduled for the 29th and 31st. These meetings will begin at 9am at a school location to be named later. Allen Barrett
wab..
Judy Roberts doesn't want the job. OK? By the way, who appointed you the judge of her qualifications? I think she is perhaps more qualified than others in terms of knowing what goes on. Oh, but would you then question her integrity if she had a change of heart and accepted the position?
Anonymous May 15, 5:01 p.m.
If Judy Roberts doesn't want the job then why did she turn in an application and resume?
I'm sure Judy Roberts does a good job as a clerical bookkeeper, but an Accountant she is not! Vanzant and this finance committee are putting Judy Roberts and the county in a very bad position. Think the public has had enough and might start doing something about it. Is this the way we want the county run?
To anonymous:
You state, “Judy Roberts doesn't want the job. OK?” Ms. Roberts turned the job down at $58,000.00 but it’s obvious that Ms. Roberts wants the job at $70,000.00. OK? Who do you think wrote and submitted her resume, a pink bunny rabbit?
You state, “By the way, who appointed you the judge of her qualifications?” When I became a legal resident of the county over forty years ago I was appointed and each time I pay my taxes that appointment is reaffirmed thank you.
You state, “I think she is perhaps more qualified than others in terms of knowing what goes on.” You may be right, unfortunately the qualification require a bit more than simply knowing what’s going on. Based on the requirements for the job she is the least qualified among those to be interviewed, not the least qualified among all those who submitted a resume.
You state, “Oh, but would you then question her integrity if she had a change of heart and accepted the position?” Not once have you heard me say or write anything questioning her integrity or any other part of her character. As I have written before I have found her at the very least to be a very pleasant, efficient lady and employee of the county. If she were offered the position of Financial Management Director I would be very much opposed, not because of her character or any portion of it but because she does not have an accounting degree and the job, to be done right, will require much more abilities than simply keeping a set of books. Allen Barrett
Well said Mr. Barrett.
Anybody know why the top rated applicant Lisa White is not even being interviewed?
If its the same Lisa White I know, like me she is Black. Do we have a bad case of racial discrimination? If not, someone tell me why she is not being interviewed?
I believe Lisa White has previous employment history with Giles County. Could it be that her previous work history has come into play and not the color of her skin?
Are you saying she was fired from Giles County or let go because she couldn't do whatever woprk she did here? This would all be in her employee file wouldnt it?
wab..
Your arrogance knows no bounds. Can you not get over yourself?
Why don't you launch an investigation into the Lisa White situation. Someone may be exposed?
By the way, Judy did apply for the position but later decided against it. Even YOU do not know everything.
Let me ask "your highness" one final question. Who would you like to see appointed to that position? It's a simple question that doesn't require a lengthy analysis. Who?
Anonymous 5-16- 4:39
So when did Judy Roberts decide against the position? As of Tuesday, she had not withdrawn her application and she is scheduled for interview.
Anonymous May 16, 10:50 am
It doesnt ring true that if a professional somebody had a poor work history they would later apply to work at that company again. Federal law requires evaluations, etc be signed both by the supervisor and the employee, whether or not the employee agrees with what is written. Can we be assured that Giles Co follows the law and any evaluations, etc relating to former employees would be in their file?
It would have saved the group of voters time and money if they had known Judy Roberts had withdrawn her application for finance director job, if that is really the case.
What are you talking about saving
Anonymous, anonymous, anonymous have you truly missed the boat on everything in your life.
You write, “Your arrogance knows no bounds. Can you not get over yourself? You are so wrong, my arrogance is completely limited by my abilities. As for getting over myself you may be right once I tried to do a “flip over” on the trampoline and almost broke my beautiful body. I almost got over on myself once when I borrowed a dollar from myself and refused to pay it back. Eventual I was forced to repay the loan after I threatened harm to myself.
You write, “Why don't you launch an investigation into the Lisa White situation. Someone may be exposed?” Done that and already warned the Financial Management Committee they are opening the county up to a very large lawsuit by the way they have and are handling the applications. They are unconcerned.
You write, “By the way, Judy did apply for the position but later decided against it.” If that is so then I guess the committee will have an open spot in their interview schedule. I guess we’ll just have to wait until then to see who is interviewed. I was wondering when the “later” was that she withdrew because yesterday she was very much being considered for the position?
You write, “Even YOU do not know everything”. You sure got me there, I been exposed. Hope that doesn’t send me into a deep, suicidal depression. Wait I should know the answer to that.
You write, “Let me ask "your highness" one final question”. That depends on how low you bow and if you kiss my ring?
You write, “Who would you like to see appointed to that position? It's a simple question that doesn't require a lengthy analysis. Who?” Since you don’t want a “lengthy analysis” I will simply refer you to the answer I gave you on 22 April 2006 at 2:47 PM. Allen Barrett
Saving their money and trip time when the handful of folks went to Columbia to consult with attorney Wed. morning about a predicted lawsuit. But the people who went were not any of the qualified applicants that were walked over in order to get unqualified Judy Roberts installed in the job, the visit to the attorney was made by some voters who were upset by Vanzant and the committee changing the criteria down from a degreed accountant and these folks feel they are getting shafted again. And no, it does not involve Allen Barrett and his bunch. So we can look forward to another lawsuit courtesy of Vanzant and her followers. Not only had Barrett predicted this would happen but so had a couple of commissioners so that tells us they knew it was wrong in how this has all been handled. Then we could have a double lawsuit on rthis, what if one of the slighted candidates decided to file suit as well.
Is Ms Roberts prepared to be named along with the committee members in this lawsuit? She must be desperate for the job.
If you truly respect and admire a good person, the last thing you should do is put them in harms way! I don't know of anyone who doesn't respect Judy, her character, or anything else about her.
We have a firm history of getting adverse audit opinions! If you know anything about accounting or internal control, you know it doesn't get any worse than that. If you know anything about management accounting, budgeting, resource economics, or integrating operations, you know the county failure is far greater than stinging annual audit opinions, year after year. Technical issues, disciplines, and a broad base of experience in and beyond accounting are fare greater than a high school or two year certificate, or long term limited experience. Guidance to maintain integrity must enforced. Dedication to removing any corruption or deceit must be above any personal consideration. What would applicants do about the school funding and spending situation?
This isn't Judy Robert's fault! She does what is expected of her with the tools she is given. She is not expected to refuse preparing the final drafts of a school and county budget (million dollar funding requisitions), or stop false funding requests. She would have been fired if she did! The problem is the guidance that directs her actions.
Out of the goodness of well intentioned hearts, we are about to throw her in a situation where she will fail. If she cures the problems at hand, she will no longer be the likable person she has been. Those who have loved her will turn on her. Life will become unbearable for a tender hearted person!
Things are going to change regardless of who wants status quo. Putting Judy in the middle of this mess is unconscionable! She will become the lightening rod. Further, she will be the lightening rod for any legal action by any candidate rejected. They can and would use the past audits as evidence of poor & unqualified performance. We all know the audit mess is real. We also know she has been put in harms way! We also know that those who put her there will throw her to the wolves. The rejection of not getting the brass ring is one thing. Being eaten alive while chained to it is far worse. What a horrible thing to do to a wonderful person who is respected! I am embarrassed by what is being done to Judy! Folks, it's time to clean this mess up before any more harm is done.
don m
Unbelievable! I would suggest that you actually read the Financial Management Act of 1981. Nowhere in the act does it give the fiance director as you would say the authority "to refuse preparing the final drafts of a school and county budget (million dollar funding requisitions), or stop false funding requests". The question to fund or not to fund is entirely up to the County Commission and local board of education and is not part of the duties of finance director.
The County Commission is most certainly aware of the fact the county recieves adverse audit opinions and if they were of a mind to remedy the situation would have already. Obviously,a two person finance office is limited in what it can accomplish. I for one dont believe the lack of properly fundng the budget office by the County Commission is a reflection on Judy Roberts ability to do the job of finance director if she is selected for the job.
Ole Hickory
Ole Hickory
What he was saying, was that the Fin Director should refuse to prepare fraudulent budgets which the schools are currently operating under. As far as the county commission remedying the adverse audits, they cant. The employees receiving the poor audits only get written up by State Auditors - then repeat the same thing next year! We need the legislature to pass a law slapping fines on these offenders. And what in the world do you need more people in the CURRENT budget office for?
Ole Hickory
What he was saying, was that the Fin Director should refuse to prepare fraudulent budgets which the schools are currently operating under. As far as the county commission remedying the adverse audits, they cant. The employees receiving the poor audits only get written up by State Auditors - then repeat the same thing next year! We need the legislature to pass a law slapping fines on these offenders. And what in the world do you need more people in the CURRENT budget office for?
Hickory, You are obviously not an accountant, which makes you no better nor worse than anyone else, including accountants. That doesn't make your financial comments true.
You are looking in the wrong place! All certified accountants, CPA, CMA, & various other professional certifications are oath bound to follow GAAP and GASB standards of reporting. Failure to do so can result in loss of certification and the right to practice. It carries personal liability. Knowingly publishing or failing to take exception to falsified data is right up there at the top of the list. The financial act presumes knowledge of that, plus impeccable integrity. Further, anyone in positions of financial authority, such as a corporate controller, or government financial director are bound by those same standards, whether qualified or not. Creating or participating in a false funding scheme is a criminal offense, whether you are the financial director, a board member, a council person, or anyone else!
To fund or not fund is not "entirely" up to the commission & board of education. I suggest you look at oaths of office & criminal conduct. If a financial director refuses to participate, prepare, or sign a falsified document, with just cause, anyone or group who overrides that decision is in unbelievable trouble. What I'm talking about isn't insignificant amounts of money, innocent errors, or poor management. Yes, the financial director can refuse to prepare or sign any document. If you are dumb enough to sign or prepare it for them, your life will change. If the director is intimidated or fails to toe the line, they are definitely not qualified for the job!
If the prior commission "had a mind to remedy the situation", the taxpayers wouldn't have had to pass the financial act! If we had no fraud in school funding, and integrity in their spending, this conversation wouldn't happen! Maybe you haven't seen what can happen to real good people when they are put in a job beyond their educational level OR in a position where they have to discipline others, fire someone, demote someone because they can't do a job, or especially put their job on the line for ethical reasons (very few will)! I have! The financial director's actions can and probably will result in those actions applied to people who do not report to the director. The "what's been done in the past" is an insurmountable mine field for Judy - NOT HER FAULT - yours & mine for letting it happen!
The financial director position is anything but a clerical position with an adding machine & long detailed list of every nickel spent. They must be the right arm of each department head and anyone else they can help. They must be up to date on current systems & processes. We're 50 years behind. They must insist on absolute integrity & openness to get open participation. They have the uncomfortable task of making bad things happen to bad people. It's not a low stress job with little hills to climb. Anyone who would set her up, with this set of circumstances, needs their head examined.
Don m
Go get yourselves a copy of the financial management act and READ it - start at 5-21-110 Budget - Preparation and Committee Review- (b) on request of the budget committee each DEPARTMENT or OFFICE of county government shall submit a proposed budget for the succeeding fiscal year and such other budget information requested by the director of the budget committee.
(c)(1) From information submitted the director shall prepare a consolidated budget document.
This says nothing about giving the finance director the authority to reject a submitted budget request.
There is not room to write all the act says - GO READ
Surely, you all dont believe the county employees are the ones receiving the adverse opinons- it is GILES County's Audit.
The current budget office with its two person staff is not adequate to properly handle the work load and be able to implement GASB 34 along with all the other new standards that is coming.
Ole Hickory
Ole Hickory you are an old fool.
If YOU would read the financial management act TCA you will read the people working as "bookkeepers" will be brought into the central accounting office to work under the Director, IF that person decides they are qualified to work in the accounting office. No if ands buts about it. Its the law. You were carrying on about 2 people in the budget office, which is what they have now but things change under GASB. Add to that Judy Roberts has stated in the past she knows nothing about GASB34 but wouldn't have to worry about it because she was retiring before the Act is required to be up and running, now tell me why she thinks she can now do the job and with only general office training. I'm surprised at you making such a comment about 2 people in the Finance Director's office when you have always seemed to be so knowledgeable in other matters.
If Vanzant and her finance comm puts Judy Roberts to head up the finance office and her unqualified, you can understand what Butch White referred to as "tired of all the lies" and why he resigned.
wab
Your arrogance is limited only to your abilities? And you don't see arrogance in that statement? So incredibly pompous. Had you tried some humility and good taste, you may have gotten elected last August and would therefore not be so bitter toward those who were successful.
Hickory - you completely missed the point. Unfortunately what you are saying is misleading to false.
A finance director's rejection of a budget has nothing to do with the council's obligation and function to approve funding requests. It has everything to do with sending a budget or any other formal financial document back to its originator for correction! The budget must be correct and proper when it is delivered to the council for approval. In cases of deception or fraud, the director has an obligation to protect the county and citizens. That includes steps to prosecute. Basically, accountants have no personal power to authorize expenditures, but they have almost unlimited power in how others authorize and spend - within generally accepted accounting practices & principles. That's where you eliminate corruption & impropriety before it has a chance to spawn.
What you said about the audit makes absolutely no sense. The department head or person in a named function is the one who is directly accountable for any write up. The controller or finance director of any operation written up is held accountable for ALL write-ups, by definition. The director of finance may not have known, wasn't involved, whatever - it goes with the turf, and it is one big incentive to be a pit bull with connivers. Those who do not keep it under control are tarred & feathered, then run off ... But that is in the private sector. The political sector either promotes them to get rid of them, or sends them to jail. It is definitely not a position for the meek or agreeable. I wouldn't want to be in her position for any amount of money - reread what I said before & here.
If you knew anything about the current state of technology, systems, accounting, and hardware, you would know that the process needs to be integrated with existing people, in the various departments where they work. You push a button to consolidate budgets! On line reporting eliminates just about anything you can imagine, while giving almost unlimited information and control throughout an organization. Itsy bitsy Mooresville Store uses bar coding for sales, inventory, etc. We want to spend millions for a 1920's style accounting center instead of a 9x12 office with $500 computer, a cell phone, and an answering machine. A good director will spend half of the time in the various departments, limited time in meetings, and a few minutes in the office. We have an opportunity, and it isn't throwing Judy Roberts to the wolves! I respect her - why don't you do the same?
don m
Thank you Mr Don. The only difference I know of is CTAS likes to see the finance dept together.
Your posting was great! Beneficial to all of us, including Ole Hickory.
Some of you need to read all the comments and not just a few. For the poster commenting about what I said about the current two person office - I was talking about how it currently is - not how it will be.
And as for you, Don, I suggest you take some courses on how government works- maybe the local CTAS representative- could recommend some good ones for you, but then I guess you would not have so much fun bashing everyone.
I suggest that if you all truly want honesty and accoutability in government that you elect those individuals to office. The finance director position is not going to work how you all are proposing - it will work according to what is stated in the act- nothing more or less.
Just stay tuned and you all will see-
Ole Hickory
And thats all everyone wants, done according to the law, not as the members of the finance comm twist it.
The deceit, lies and game playing on the part of our CE and some commissioners is what caused Butch White to resign, as he has stated.
Ole Hickory
Are you or have you worked in government accounting?
Seems several of you are trying to figure out who I am. Becareful, because I am probably not who you think I am. I choose to be and will remain anonymous.
Ole Hickory
Ole Hickory
I asked about your possible accounting background, not in an attempt to discover who you are but to weigh your accounting experience and or knowledge against that of Don m. I am not curious as to your identity, so would appreciate you answering my question. Thanks.
Not going there.
Ole Hickory
So do we assume you are not the accountant as Don m. is?
When the public VOTED to have Giles Co comply with this STATE LAW didnt they automatically (by virtue of what the TCA says ) REQUIRE that the person who is hired to perform the directors job must meet the qualifications DEFINED in the ACT ??
I dont remember there being a section on the voting machine that said "but Giles Co Commissioners are hereby given our (the voter's ) authority to downgrade the LAWs requirements to the point that anyone dragged in off the street can fill the criteria ". So what the 'experts' on the local committee are trying to do by setting themselves up to hire their favorite bookeeper is thus by definition totally illegal .
Where is the District Attorney when we need him to stop this action ??
Prune Juice ..making things happen
Hickory - There is & was no attempt to bash anyone. If you don't see the risk & potential devastation, you obviously haven't seen it happen before. If you think this about bashing Judy, you are dead wrong! How would you like a hundred random comments about you on the Blog & many more in the street! As for the school system, my name is on the data & comments. If you think it's bashing, defamation, or character assassination, you have a ton of information to throw back! If there is an error, let's correct it and move on with a solution that will eliminate the problem.
Government standards are minimum standards. Tennessee government is very good compared to other states. They put responsibility on local government, which allows people to think and improve without a boot clicking bureaucrat telling you when to get up & when to go to the bathroom! CTAS is a "union" of governmental entities, representing those entities vs. the citizens.
CTAS openly opposes and lobbies our government against full disclosure and open government. They function to raise revenue (taxes), increase spending, and make it sound good. On the brighter side, the person from Lincoln Co. and CTAS apparently made good things happen there. One thing is for sure, If you haven't tried & failed, you will never succed in doing anything worthwhile.
As for who is smarter that the other, it's an idiotic arguement. I'm not applying for a job, not trying to impress anyone, and not interested in politics. Don't ask for a resume and references. If you don't understand the information, won't read it, or ask questions, the train will eventually run over you. It isn't about me, it is a situation of corruption, deception, and false values within the governing body of our public education system. It will be corrected. I really don't see you as an adversary. Jump in, you may be the one who turns it around! If you want to be the one on the white horse leading the charge, I'll help any way I can.
don m
Betcha this is the kind of thing Butch was meaning in his statement of when he resigned. Vanzant's game playing, lies and deceit, along with her friends in the ditricts he talked about. They are on this finance comm and so besides causing a lawsuit over it theyre not making ANY PROGRESS FOR THE COUNTY because they are putting Judy roberts in the job which is not what the voters was expecting. Cant believe Judy Roberts would want to be a part of this but I guess THE MIGHT DOLLAR IS ALL IMPORTAnt to her but wont but much left when the lawsuit goes through.
You c an see whats happening Judy Roberts with limited education as finance director, she'll pull in Beth Sigmon as deputy then as soon as Roberts retires Sigmon will step into her job. Then Tee can pull the schools out. Corrupt corrupt corrupt. Theyre all in it together. I'm surprised at Judy Roberts getting involved in these shenanigins.
Poor Judy - almost a hundred birds on the wire
One more & we'll have 100 good reasons for ms judy hang this crap on the wall to never forget the idiots who made it possible.
If you know Ms. Roberts at all, you should know that the almighty dollar means everything to her. Limited education must not be important at all to the almighty commitee.
Just another person to hide all the corruption in county government by way of lack of knowledge. The ones in charge feel if they have someone who does not know what they should actually be doing they can tell them what to do and it will not be discovered what they have been up to.
News Flash for the Giles Rebel:
At the Monday Commission meeting something was said about the county needing to hire a fire marshal. It was stated that the the county executive would select someone and the commission would approve that person. One reporter (wab) burst out with a loud and rude laugh and thus exposed his rear end again. The word is that he made a jackass of himself.
I thought reporters were not given to such disrespectful outbursts? Is that not an ethical code they go by?
Anonymous 5-22,6:40 pm
Thanks, you just confirmed who I've been thinking you are!
Don't be accusing WAB of exposing his rear end. I've been hearing how you've done the same thing many times but literally.
a-nag-u-must didn't you think it was rather funny too, I saw you almost smile as you took your notes.
Read your own statement, "At the Monday Commission meeting something was said about the county needing to hire a fire marshal. It was stated that the the county executive would select someone and the commission would approve that person." Now the operative phrase is "the county executive would select someone and the commission would approve that person". Ever wonder what happened to posting job notices and having people compete for that job? It's only law but then what does that matter when the "boss piglet" wants her way.
By the way I understand it was actually a safety director to be in charge of the rescue squad, fire, sheriff, ambulance everything but the courthouse is that not right?
unsmart bart..
Obviously, I am not as well informed as you are about the meeting. I merely stated what I have heard people laughingly say about the incident involving the reporter and his outburst. The operative phrase surrounding that incident is that he did that, and those who were present heard it. Had you been there (I was not) you would have seen the reporter "expose" his rear end.
If you were not at the meeting, don't believe everything you are told. The truth is always stretched in matters like this.
Looks like the nice little lady is in the boat with MsVZ & Mr. T, about to shoot the rapids with no life preserver.
I know for fact the people who met with an attorney in Columbia were told their case is very strong. The filing of the suit is being held until the outcome of the interviews. Thank you JPV and all your followers on the selection committee.
9:16:00AM
What's the suit about? I'm sure you cant go into much details but give a little background.
The Financial Management Committee originally advertised for a CPA with 5 years government accounting experience or a BS with 10 years government accounting. Based on this, the citizens were expecting a degreed Finance Director and vocalized by Ms Vanzant. Then, to accomodate Judy Roberts, who has no degree whatsoever, merely a "bookkeeper" who trained on the job, this committee lowered the criteria, so we could end up the same "bookkeeper" and paying her an extremely high salary when she isn't even qualified for the job. Add to that, she never was "rated" along with the first 15 applicants, further to that the highest rated applicant was even passed over by this committee, doesn't even get an interview! That highly rated person even works in the State Auditor's office. What more could you want. In a nutshell, as Allen Barrett has stated, the citizens and original 15 applicants (with degrees) have been slighted and the whole process tainted because this committee has made it so. You cannot dismiss the fact the highest rated applicant is also Black.
Seems I recall that Abraham Lincoln had little formal education and yet, get this, he grew up to become President of the United States. A college degree does NOT necessarily make one competent or smart. Think.
And now, anonymous wants to play the race card. Shame on you.
The whole point is the fact that once again the county commissoners and county executive wasted tax payers money to go through the process and are ending up with the person that they wanted in the beginning, MS. Roberts. She should have just given her the title and $70,000.00 to start with!
From writer of Friday, May 25, 2007 9:26:00 AM to writer of Friday, May 25, 2007 4:35:00 PM ...
Thank You.
to 525 811
The difference is Lincoln did a LOT of reading and searching for knowledge and skills - He was a lawyer. He was a leader who made the decisions, guided others, and very definately wasn't afraid to take action. He was undoubtedly well beyond the mental capability of almost all of us!
Mrs. Judy has no degree to indicate knowledge or skill levels in accounting, that would qualify her for a management or director level accounting position. She is not a "Certified 'Public' Accountant". If half of the financial number problems on this blog is true we, we don't know whether we're comming or going. There is a world of difference in being able to take directions than giving them, making sure it's right, & making sure it's followed. That's usually the difference between a good clerk and a upper level manager or director. The state audits have been very negative - saying financial things are not right. Clerks don't make but half or less of $70,000. If what I think is happening is not true, someone needs to set us straight
Anonymous May 26, 1:17 p.m.
You are exactly right. It is happening.
From what I see, only a few people read this blog. people think you can't do anything about whats going on in the county. The laws aren't enforced - Jacksons still strutting around like a peacock. His golden nest is being built - the bus place is falling down ,& school roofs are caving in, & he is cutting books to add more administers. what a screwed up situation!
If Ms Van z can get a court order to move Mr. B to the back where he can't hear whats going on, maybe others can get a court order to whack Mr. J, - maybe even get the nice lady back where she belongs, before someone drops a hornets nest on top of her head.
May 26, 7:16
Why would you give a high salary to someone who is totally unqualified and unsuitable for the job?
May 25, 4:35
You gave a fairly good answer to the poster who wanted a little information about the lawsuit. Not the whole picture but thank you for responding on behalf of the plaintiffs.
5271005 Why not - we got the power & the money & the key to your check book. All you got is us, & we don't like you. Stuff it.
But Lincoln didn't "expose" his posterior in public. There is a small difference too, wouldn't you say?
This one needs investigating! We see "expose" and "Posterior". Smells Freudian. Was it something German, like the anal-it-i-cal fecalite mitderhandsinderfudge
Anyone in the know about the interviews held yesterday? Who was interviewed and how did they do?
Ole Hickory
To Ole Hickory,
Two people were interviewed yesterday
James Murphy and Dana Bowman. Both did well but the general impression, of the majority of all those present, was that Dana Bowman was by far the more impressive.
The next interviews will be on 14 June beginning at 9AM with the first interview to begin at 9:30am.
Mrs Vanzant and the committee did an excellent job. Allen Barrett
May 28 3;41 It is a shame you care more about power than what is best for the county. Could it be you are not a resident of the county?
WAB
Do you know what Dana's employment background consists of?
Ole Hickory
No, I think it was more anal buffoon than the other terminologies. Hope that clears up your misunderstandings.
One thing to get cleared up about Dana Bowman's employment background is that SHE DID NOT WORK FOR EITHER CITY OF lAWRENCEBURG OR lAWRENCE CO. as rumor has been spread. Checked out with both depts.
To Ole Hickory,
About all I know is what she said in the interview 15 years with the city of Placerville, Cal. (a town east of Sacramento larger than Pulaski but smaller than Columbia). She was the financial manager and later also the assistant city manager. Presently she works as Accounting Manager at Intermet here in Pulaski. This is the only job she has had since coming to Pulaski . Hope this helps. Allen Barrett
WAB,
Thanks for responding and for the information. What about James Murphy?
Ole Hickory
To anyone who may know
It seems the majoirty of the G.C. Commissioners want to do what the people of Giles County have ask for and that is to place a DEGREED/QUALIFIED person into the position of Financial Director. If that doesn't happen and they (JPV and friends) put JR in that position, they (The commissioners) are planning to remove JPV as Chairman of the Commission and replace her with either Bill Holt or Edwin Lovell. Has anyone else heard that besides me?
Mr. Murphy was interviewed and has a background primarily in auditing. His experience with city or county governments was very limited. The biggest drawback, for me at least, came when he was asked a simple question about ethics in accounting and he hesitated, then stumbled badly. The previous applicant had answered the same question with a firm "no". Other weaknesses shown by Mr. Murphy was his perceived motivation based on money rather than doing a job or meeting a challenge. His statement, "the county would be getting a bargain at $90,000", wasn't something I felt great about. He also was unable to make a clear commitment to take the job if it was offered to him and stated he hope to retire in ten years. Hope this helps. Allen Barrett
Anonymous May 31, 9:35,
I'd rather see Lovell as Chairman of the commission. Let's see if the commissioners put their money where their mouth is, and after Butch White's statement, the time is ripe. Citizens of Giles County have had enough.
Yep, I had heard about taking the CE off as Chairman of the commission but I forgot to post it. Surely she wouldnt allow her family to be embarrassed by such an event. Somebody better call her momma and let her talk sense into her daughter.
The talk of removing Vanzant from the Chair is absolutely true. This would be the best move for the Commissioners and the people of Giles County. I don't know of any Commissioner at this time who would not vote to remove her. She does nothing but lie and back-stab everyone who comes in contact with her. Anyone who has a conversation with her should carry a recorder because she will tell a lie about everything she says. All these promises she made to people during her campaign have now caused nothing but problems for this County. Anyone who has questions about the problems at the Ambulance Service should confront Vanzant and Roy Griggs. The lies will then start to stack one upon the other because there isn't enough room for all that these two will tell. The two of them, if not stopped, will lead us to the biggest lawsuit this County could even imagine.
There may be talk about removing her but talk ain't doing. There has been talk for at least two years about stopping Jackson and his activities but when the rubber meets the road the talkers whisper and increase his budget. It's gonna take somebody who ain't afraid of her to actually do something.
I can think of at least three men who are ready to do something about it.
If Judy Roberts does not have the qualifications she should, it would be in her best interest to not take the job. She will probably end up embarrassed if she can not do the job. If she fails she will probably be the laughing topic of the county.
I see one of the malcontents wrote a letter to the editor this week about Judy Roberts. It's shameful that these people resort to such derogatory tactics. Shameful, indeed.
Three men? I know of five and thats not even thinking about it - no make that six.
You consider the letter to the editor derogatory but its only what they brought upon themselves. What was written is FACT although Judy Roberts did get evaluated but that was after the writer had sent his letter in, and there are many people in Giles Co that were not aware of the situation until reading the letter. Many questions are now being asked about what is going on in county government. People who supported JPV in the past are now seeing the light and dont blame it on the writer of the LTE. Havent you heard ANYTHING about the problems at the Ambulance Dept. involving JPV & Griggs? And have you forgotten already what Butch White had to say when he resigned?
The financial act was passed to change records & reporting in Giles Co. & get rid of annual audit write ups.
Sounds like Judy would be a good candidate if you want things to stay screwed up. Nothing personal, she just doesn't have the education to know what to do, nor the personal strength to tell someone like Jackson to stuff his bag of tricks where the sun don't shine! Some are saying his books are cooked - does she even know what that means?
You know, it's a real crying shame that the people of this county have to go to such great extents to make sure our county government stays honest (i.e. Lawsuits). Just like the situation with hiring a financial director. It would seem so simple! Our leaders should have no personal agendas in anything they vote on. They are in their positions because the majority of G.C. people put them there. They are to serve us. Commissioners and other elected officials on the Finance Committee, do what's right. Put in the qualified degreed person so our county can progress in the positive and honest way we the citizens of Giles County so strongly deserve.
The only ones I know of who are running around here crying that the books are cooked are the same ones who are finding something wrong with anything and everything in this county other than themselves.
There you go a-nag-u-must showing that having no measurable brain activity is not a preventative to writing on this blog. You already expressed the fact that you don't know anything other than what you hear others say. Until your trainer tells you different you'll keep believing that "cooked books" means more soup.
bart..
You know very well that you are taking what I said completely out of context. That situation has been explained to you at least twice, which leads me to believe you are trying to impress your friends by attempting to belittle me. Small-minded people do that, you know?
And you talk about my brain wave activity?
and what do you think you have been doing almost every time wab post a statement? self examination is real pain ain't it?
Ridiculous statement. Don't you have anything better than that?
Ridiculous to even worry about brain wave activity - things that don't exist don't matter!
exception - have her & her handler hold hands & run a scan to see if there is any transfer of squiggles to the android.
Is it true that the only difference between an android and a hemoroid is which end gets scratched?
More superfluity of speech. Laughable.
Read the article about the finance director interviews front page of June 5 newspaper reads as if the committee doing the interviews took a break to discuss how to cover their butt then Jackson comes back and rewords a motion he had done before. This had to have been done becauwe they changed qualifications half way through to accomodate Judy Roberts. And that ladies and gentlemen is why the county is facing a lawsuit over filling this job with a person not qualified. Can you believe she turned the job down as assistant director then comes back and applies for the full position at much higher pay.
To put teeth in the law suit, it needs to be the person responsible, not the county - can't use county money to defend illegal personal actions.
So if the lawsuit is filed against the individuals I guess it would be six committee members. Read the article in paper and it reads like Howell was baulking against the others and not supporting their actions. Am I right?
wrong - don't have to chop the snake up - just whack the head off - maybe whack & take the rattles with it
County money has been used many times in the past to defend the lawsuits filed against the county and the county executive. Thats why the insurance rates are so high and getting higher. Most probably this lawsuit would be against the committee as a whole. After all, everyone serving on it is representing the county.
It has, but has isn't shouldn't. Malfeasance of office is not a legitimate action of office holders or their oath of office. If all did conspire to do something illegal, maybe all would be named. They are not entitled to anything other than a public defender, if they can't pay.
Agree with you. Cannot think of anyone on that committee who could not afford their own attorney.
Examples - Ford, cohorts, more cohorts, & de land shark are all payon personal dolla fro defence.
As u say, defence go all de way roun de prison. Whan in yous ain out!
Ebonics lesson here? Hilarious!
Good Grief - SHE SAID THE "N" word!
HEY!! Let's get back to the subject of this bit of the Blog .
This thursday at 9 AM at Southside elementary the second group of two applicants for Financial director are scheduled to be interviewed .
THIS is when Giles County will get shafted by Vanzant's handpicked committee . Watch for headlines in next weeks paper "Hometown woman wins top job " as they elect the ONLY interviewee who DOESNT MEET ANY of the criteria they originally set for the job .They dont want somebody in that job who will point out the fiddled budgets etc .
CALL your commissioners and tell them that you want a competent person doing that important job ,so will they please have the committee select one rather than another 'Friend of Janet"
Snodley
snodley..
Sounds like you had someone else in mind who is a more "progressive" thinker. Well, thanks but no thanks. We are seeing first hand the problems being created by those who think themselves smarter than the rest.
It also sounds like you are criticizing Ms. Roberts. Come on now, you can do better than that.
If you were doing the hiring, would you not prefer someone who has been doing the job and who can be trusted? I think so. Maybe she (Ms. Roberts) isn't a member of the malcontent gang, but she has already proven herself as a capable person. Please remember that formal education does not make one competent. Abraham Lincoln is a prime example of that.
Dont have anyone else in particular in mind only a progressive thinker who can do the NEW job. You say "thanks but no thanks" , meaning you are content to have a non-progressive thinker?
Anonymous.....
Wrong! We really cannot debate this point, because you see a "progressive thinker" as something totally different than I do.
You failed to answer my question about who you would hire. May I have your answer? Again, would you hire a the one that looks best "on paper" rather than the one who is experienced?
No. I'd hire someone with a degree. Period.
Thank you Sweetie.
Anonymous...
You presume an awful lot by calling me sweetie. Laugable.
I keep remembering the credentials Abraham Lincoln had. He didn't have the almighty degree, but he was a great leader, wasn't he?
If you would blindly hire the one with the degree and not look at other factors, then I'm glad you are not the one doing the hiring!
708 Read the audit reports! We have been failing miserably!
The financial act was passed to CHANGE WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING!!!!!
What has been happening is supposed to not happen anymore!
She will not have the education, skills, or temperment to change anything!
If you want to feed the lions, toss her in the arena!
anonymous...
Which assessment tool did you use to make the determination that Ms. Roberts lacks the education, skills, and temperament to do the job? Now THAT is an instrument I'd like to read!
I'm still glad you are not "in charge" of the hiring!
Shame on you for the last sentence in your post.
Anon of 8-42
You have been told repeatedly where to go to READ THE EVIDENCE . The State audit office publishes a report EVERY YEAR .
Quit your whining and go read them .
Giles Co has bought cars without either bids or purchase orders , paid twice for goods-received etc etc .Repeatedly . ALL reported by the state to the county . What did Giles Co gov't do ? Precisely nothing !
You're obviously content with that ?
Snodley
Hey Sweetie:
The county has received applications from 4 other people who have the EDUCATION, EXPERIENCE, SKILLS and ASSERTIVENESS to do the new job. These are not people who only went for 1 year to secretarial school and took key punch! That just dont cut it.
In case anyone wonders, the applications are public information documents.
Instead of all this bickering back and forth, folks should be thinking about the lawsuit that is in the wings waiting to be filed. Need to alert your county commissioners about this because a lot of them dont know about it. Due your duty.
snodley,
You are obviously not content with the August election. Get over it, please!
You can either run again next time (and probably be defeated ) or you can support whoever you want. It's the democratic process, right?
Can the one stating that Abe Lincoln had no degree, I would like to know what degrees were to be had back then.
Will someone please euthanize 1127? It's been writhing, gurggling, & drowning in its vomit long enough!
Anonymous...
You suggest that my life be ended (euthanized) because I do not agree with you? That sounds like KGB stuff to me, and people like you are terribly dangerous.
You ask about what degrees were available during the life of Abraham Lincoln. Surely you jest. Did you not know that there were institutions of higher learning back then?
Why would this hiring committee even think about putting Judy Roberts in the job. Lordy that woman is 66 years old I know we went to school together at beech hill. We're both older than dirt. Yeh, she looks younger from a distance but that dont change the facts. She's past eligible for medicare senior citizen benefits so she dont need the medical from the county. Didnt she plan to retire soon anyway. We would have great granny up there. Then the other counties would laugh more and more at Giles.
To 9:35pm, would you please name one institution of higher learning on the frontier that Lincoln might have attended? While Lincoln might have been a great president or not one might debate but one thing that is for certain as the world has changed and become much more complex he would not even be a candidate today.
Would you consider a person who never attended college to be qualified as a teacher? It wasn’t that long ago that there were many teachers in Giles County and surrounding areas without degrees. But again whether for the good or worse times changed and those without a degree aren’t even considered for teaching positions. So it is with accounting while Mrs. Roberts seems to be a qualified bookkeeper she is not qualified to work as an accountant.
"So it is with accounting while Mrs. Roberts seems to be a qualified bookkeeper she is not qualified to work as an accountant."
Well I've got a brain zap for you -Degree or not - Judy is the ACCOUNTANT for Giles County and has been for many years. She is a dedicated, loyal county employee.
Ole Hickory
Ole Hickory
Heres a brain zap for you -there is a BIG difference between a bookkeeper and an accountant. Judy Roberts has functioned as a Bookkeeper, work she learned on the job. Over the years she has never even been named budget director for the county, did you forget that? You should know seeing as you have been a commissioner all these years
Get a grip Ole Hickory, I'm sorry if I upset you but the facts are facts and Mrs Roberts is not an accountant, does not do the work of an accountant, or even play one on TV. You can not be an accountant without a degree and you can not be certified and present yourself as an accountant without passing the state test. You may call a sheep a goat all day but that does not make it so.
ZAP again. President Stonewall Jackson was also known as Ole Hickory wasn't he?
Sorry guys, you all seem to be the ones upset, you see i am just pointing out what is already there. Degree or no degree Judy is the head accountant.
For the fun of it, which commissioner am I? I would love to know- just for my future references.
Ole Hickory
Sorry Ole Hickory
No one is upset and you are wrong in what you attempt to point out - Judy Roberts is a Bookkeeper, nothing more. You insult those who have gone to school for four years to get their Accounting Degree. And if you think someone without a degree can be called an Accountant, I guess that tells the rest of the world that Ole Hickory is without a degree himself or you would have more brains than to make a statement such as you have already, not knowing the difference between a bookkeeper and an accountant. If Judy Roberrts was an accountant, why isnt she working in an accounting firm making the $70,000 plus she is asking for to do a job she is not qualified for?
Reckon Corky Wakefield will be at the interviews in support of Ms. Roberts? Remember, he was the one who placed her in that position, of Budget Director.
Old hickup, you need to sit up a little straighter & not fall asleap so much - you've missed the point - she ain't qualified - pretty & pleasant & sweet thang, but can't hunt, can't fetch, & won't growl.
Why did Corky Wakefield place Judy Roberts in a position? Wasn't the job advertised so anyone could apply or was that another example of playing favorites for some reason?
Howard...
Goodness, some of the best teachers in this world never set foot in a college or university. Teaching is something that just comes natural to some people. I realize that a person has to have a degree in education to teach in our public institutions. But that's not really my point. Would you also say that Sunday school teachers should not teach unless they have degrees? I think that would be a stretch.
As for a college or university Abe Lincoln could have attended on the frontier, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. But there WERE colleges even back in his day. Incidentally, would you say that doctors during Lincoln's day had no formal education?
Finally, I may be wrong, but I always thought a bookkeeper was an accountant of sorts. Is that not true?
Isnt the real fact of this job position that if by pure chance Giles Co gets someone who is competent in there they will automatically present a huge threat to the existing hierarchy ?.
If the county started ACCOUNTING for its money instead of coming along behind trying to BOOKKEEP it after its been squandered then that would upset the status quo in ante bellum and all the Queens cohorts
A bookkeeper does routine repetitive accounting work. A professional accountant has a four year college degree with a major in accounting. The major would include basic accounting practices & principles, auditing, costing, process systems, computers, etc., etc. It is a very tough course & very few people complete the program. There are many easier ways to make a living. A MBA may or may not add to those specific accounting credentials, but does offer additional skills to the MBA holder. A CPA means you have a degree and passed various formal tests and preliminary experience requirements. It is meaningful! Experience is a key value if it includes the ability to make productive changes, to insure accuracy and credibility, to provide information that people with other skills have put to use to improve their environment. The acid test is what was done with the BS degree, MBA, or CPA in terms of experience after basic education. Without rock solid ethics, you have nothing!
Today, bookkeepers are a thing of the past. Computers, on line information, and integrated systems have eliminated bookkeeping per se, at least 20 years ago, almost everywhere, except Giles County Government. The savings and productivity potential is extremely high. Unfortunately, unless you have been there & did it, you will not know that. Our education system certainly doesn't know that.
We are on a fast track to failure. No bookkeeper will have the disciplines, knowledge, or stamina to implement the changes needed in Giles County. A director over the accounting functions is legally presumed to be competent and knowledgeable. They are held accountable for the actions of others for any and all maladies. They are the watch dog, just like the policeman in front of the jewelry store. Their gun is rock solid ethics and a commitment to not allow financial inconsistencies. If they fail to do that, they are normally found to be complicit in whatever bad thing happened. It is a high risk, tough, thankless job - not for the weak at heart!
All of this is just so much talk in the wind, until the inevitable wake up call comes. We want to fail. In fact, I think we will excel in our mission of failure. I truly hope I'm wrong!
don m
don..
I suppose the county should have accepted your free offer.
What part of the message offends you most? - getting a qualified person (It will not be me!)? Does the ethics comment blow your mind?
Guess you have never offered to help someone or your community. If you had, you would not think anything of someone doing their own thing! But, that wasn't the point of your childish comment.
3:39:00 was my comment
don m
WKSR announced today that Judy Roberts has withdrawn her application for finance director job.
Don't really know the whole situation, but it looks like she showed a lot of class in what she did - a whole lot more than most of us would do. Got to respect that!
Anonymous...
You are right. Judy knew if she got the job that there would be a high price to pay. The encounter group would make sure they left no stone unturned in "exposing" anything they could on Judy and even her family if they could dig up anything! Shameful.
Yes, she showed a lot of class.
What in the h..l is an 'encounter group'?
It wasn't the "encounter group" who put Judy in harm's way. For the few who wanted her there, thinking they could continue financial manipulation - it really didn't matter. It really doesn't matter who gets the job, either.
There is four years of financial manipulation data out there - floating around in public view, easily understood by almost any qualified investigator. You'll know when, when it happens.
It's time to leave her alone and do some apologizing for letting anyone put her in harm's way! It's more than shameful~!
Can't see where class has anything to do with withdrawing her application. Do think it was the smart and right thing to do though. What a pity the committee changed the criteria for applicants. This charade would never have happened and it could have saved the county money for advertising unnecessarily. Ms Roberts change of mind has saved our family mega bucks we would have been spending on attorney fees had we had to file our planned lawsuit, we thank her for withdrawing but guess our attorney does not.
Why would "we" being planning a lawsuit? I don't think employers need your approval to hire someone.
Judy just knew the "group" would crucify her along with her family if she went ahead. Yep, shameful indeed.
This will be my last comment on this matter. "We" being our family and a few friends. None of us are members of any group unless you consider one spouse, a veteran being part of a "group" and several of us are church members. Does that make us "group" members? You miss the boat on what this was all about, and, I have to say your writing above makes it seem as if Ms Roberts had remained in the running she would have been given the job. Period. Enjoy your blog. You are in my prayers.
6-15, 3:35 PM
Employer in this case happens to be the people of Giles Co. The committee doing the hiring are only doing it on behalf of the people. They are being paid to do the work for us. The committee members are EMPLOYEES of the county as well. Don't lose sight of that.
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