Is Zero Tolerance or Totally Ignored The Only Options School Problems?
A caller recently asked, "what kind of program does Richland School have in place to deal with the unusual number of extremely violent crimes that have been committed by students from there".
The question is whether some students and possibly staff may have known about the horrendous violence that took place by two students prior to it actually being committed? If this was known or suspected why wasn't it taken more seriously or did those involved feel there wasn't anyone they could tell. While hindsight is twenty/twenty and the past can't be changed, certainly every effort should be taken to prevent any possible future problems.
So now the question is asked, what kind of classes have been arranged so that all students and staff might be better equipped to deal with statements and behaviors that could indicate potentially severe problems. What classes have been arranged to help students and staff deal with the trauma caused by such problems?
It seems presently that there are no classes or training programs for both students and staff and that there is little interest in developing such programs, why?, are they thought to be unnecessary, unproductive, unmanageable or just no time?
How do you feel about this situation? What can be done to insure a more free flow of information between students, staff and the main office? Allen Barrett
The question is whether some students and possibly staff may have known about the horrendous violence that took place by two students prior to it actually being committed? If this was known or suspected why wasn't it taken more seriously or did those involved feel there wasn't anyone they could tell. While hindsight is twenty/twenty and the past can't be changed, certainly every effort should be taken to prevent any possible future problems.
So now the question is asked, what kind of classes have been arranged so that all students and staff might be better equipped to deal with statements and behaviors that could indicate potentially severe problems. What classes have been arranged to help students and staff deal with the trauma caused by such problems?
It seems presently that there are no classes or training programs for both students and staff and that there is little interest in developing such programs, why?, are they thought to be unnecessary, unproductive, unmanageable or just no time?
How do you feel about this situation? What can be done to insure a more free flow of information between students, staff and the main office? Allen Barrett
posted by Allen Barrett | 2:23 PM
136 Comments:
I think it might help if the county actually had a good counseling program in place. These people went to college and prepared themselves to handle many of the problems currently rampant in the schools.
wab...
Your insinuations regarding the Richland staff doesn't seem a very smart way to score points with them. In fact, were I a Richland staff member, I would fiercely resent what you said. And I think you would feel the same way.
To 7:11 if my main interest was to "score points with the Richland staff" I'd just feed them a line of bull like what comes from administrators on the hill, to me that would be an extreme act of disrespect. The teachers are much smarter than that and are very aware of what's going on, the problem is no one bothers to listen to them.
The truth is the most respectful thing you can say to a person what that person does with that truth is entirely up to them.
I believe ninety percent of the problems in school have more to do with the spineless administrators that stand in the way than with the teachers who are working under intolerable conditions.
My contention is really very simple
administrators should give the teachers every resource and support then get out of their way.
I have said many times most teachers are heroes who work under conditions that most of us would absolutely refuse. They are treated like the enemy more often than not by students, parents and administrators while expected to perform miracles with kids even their parents have given up on.
Allen Barrett
wab...
Your statement about administrators on the hill "feeding a line of bull" sounds very unbecoming of you to say the least. I'm sure you scored a three-pointer with them on that one. You just keep on making people mad at you, and the sad thing is that you can't see it.
I think Mr. Barrett's point is valid. What is being done to ensure the safety of our children, not only at Richland School, but at all Giles County Schools? Are the teachers and other staff members being prepared to handle these situations before they start? Are they being prepared to handle the aftermath also? I guess we need to look to the hill to find the answers.
Monday, December 21, 2009 7:11:00 PM, Monday, December 21, 2009 9:56:00 PM:
I have finally figured out the basis of your game, and yes it is a game. A childish one to be sure, but a game none the less. You take one thing out of what is being said on a thread and try to turn it into something bad that Mr. Barrett has said. Let's start at the beginning: What EXACTLY did Mr. Barrett insinuate about the Richland staff on the original thread? Please be specific. I know, you don't have to be, you are just here to point out the shortfalls of others, not have yours pointed out. Now as to your second comment, maybe the administrators on the hill are feeding everyone a line of bull. "I'm sure you scored a three-pointer with them on that one." Maybe they need to be hit upside the head to get there heads on straight and realize that a lot of the citizens of Giles County are concerned with the way things are being done, and we think that they need to either start fixing or start cleaning out their offices. Finally, as far as you are concerned, you care nothing of the issues. You like to take one point out of what is being said, blow it so far out of proportion that it eclipses the real issue being discussed, and then defend your petty childish behaviors with comments about free speech and your job to prevent others from saying bad things about others on this blog. Basically what it comes down to is that you are worse that a 3 year old. If someone says something you don't like, you want to run and tell, OOOh, I'm taelling Ms. Vanzant, or I gonna tell Mr. Jackson. Please, get off your high horse and do it. Let them come on here and defend themselves. They don't need a 3 year old to do their dirty work. Please, grow up and come back and have legitimate conversations with us and we can all enjoy this blog more. Otherwise, get out your Barbie dolls and play with them and leave the important discussions to those better qualified to handle them.
dead...
Here we go again. I post my opinion, and you jump on me. Please don't talk down to me as if I'm a child. That gets you nowhere.
May I refer you to wab's suggestion of the "possibility" that even Richland staff knew about the coming tragedy and did nothing about it? How would you feel about that statment were you on that school staff? In my opinion, it was a slap in their faces.
Now, as for the administrators on the hill, why would they need any further hitting on the head? You guys have been doing a masterful job on that for the past few years.
Let's move on, shall we?
Next, you lied when you accused me of caring nothing for the issues. I'll not even try to defend myself on that one. Why? Because it matters not to me where you think I stand on anything. I don't seek or need YOUR almighty approval. But I will tell you this; I stand firmly against the mean-spirited attacks I see on this blog. You and I both know that's not right and that we have processes in place for dealing with outlaws.
Look, Mr. Jackson, Mr. Lovell, Mr. Reedy, Mrs. Vanzant, Mr. Hyatt, Ms. Garner, and others who are routinely crucified on this blog by childish people JUST LIKE YOU will never be on here, so forget about that. It's called maturity and class. Ironically, you call me childish. What a continual joke you are.
I just had to laugh when you arrogantly suggested that I leave the important decisions to those better qualified to handle them. May I ask who you think those "better qualified" might be? Are you including yourself in the group? Hilarious!
dead...
I forgot to mention the hypocrisy of one of the false charges you made against me. You stated that I am just here to point out the shortfalls of others and not to have mine pointed out. Isn't that EXACTLY what you guys are doing? Of course, it is. It's acceptable for you folks to say all manner of things about others, but woe be unto anyone who takes you to task for that! I call that hypocritical.
dead...
I forgot to mention the hypocrisy of one of the false charges you made against me. You stated that I am just here to point out the shortfalls of others and not to have mine pointed out. Isn't that EXACTLY what you guys are doing? Of course, it is. It's acceptable for you folks to say all manner of things about others, but woe be unto anyone who takes you to task for that! I call that hypocritical.
Deadman, you sure hit the nail on the head. Think she's going to have a stroke. Sounded pretty mad to me.
7:43
Gender confusion again? What makes you think I'm a female? Trust me; I'm all man. You just don't like it because my views differ from yours. I'm not mad...just disgusted.
To 6:14 You asked, "May I ask who you think those "better qualified" might be?" I'm not deadman but it's easy to answer your question.... Anyone with the normal maturity and intelligence of a person above the age of two would be more qualified to handle issues than you are.
Anyone not living in denial is more qualified than you.
Anyone who has an interest in making their community better is more qualified than you
Anyone who is not so self absorbed as you is more qualified.
Anyone who is not so filled with jealousy as you is more qualified.
Anyone who is not so hypocritical as you is more qualified.
Anyone with more respect for the truth than you is more qualified.
Anyone with more integrity than you is qualified.
Anyone who is less supportive of wrongdoing is more qualified than you.
I believe ninety percent of the problems in school have more to do with the spineless administrators that stand in the way than with the teachers who are working under intolerable conditions.
As principal of a local school, I resent being labeled a spineless administrator. My teachers are great because I allow them to teach and I handle their problems. You don't make friends by spewing such rhetoric and garbage.
I would love it that you would know what you were talking about before you placed it on this blog.
So now the question is asked, what kind of classes have been arranged so that all students and staff might be better equipped to deal with statements and behaviors that could indicate potentially severe problems.
Add more positions that tax payers need to fund. How dare we taxpayers fund more positions to help students and teachers with emotional problems that originated in a home some place that teachers are now supposed to fix?
howard...
None of those qualifiers describe me. Sorry, but you are making false statements which are not appreciated. But that's par for the course on here, isn't it? If one disagrees with "status quo", he or she is a combination of many of the things you so arrogantly charged to me. Wrong!
9:49
Those positions are already in place and funded. They are just not used for the purpose intended.
Score points with Richland staff...pleaz..that is what they want, especially administration, present and PAST!!!! They are unfair, uncaring, and non-apoligetic unless you are one of their own. If you are an outsider, you will surely be persecuted, students and staff. Until they CLEAN out ALL of the "OLD TIMERS" in both administrations, it will never be any better there. And yet while they continue to be this way, they whine and complain everytime some other school in the county, especially the city schools, get media time. No wonder you don't get what you think you deserve...you have a sour grapes attitude, past and present.
Richland is not the only school in the county where certain staff members are made to feel unwelcome. That is a fact.
To 22 Dec 9:40 AM
You state, "As principal of a local school, I resent being labeled a spineless administrator. My teachers are great because I allow them to teach and I handle their problems."
You then are not among those I identified as "spineless administrators who stand in the way of the teachers" and are unfortunately in a minority among administrators.
Instead of being concerned about my making friends perhaps you might consider why so many of the teachers feel unsupported by the administration or why so many of the students fail to graduate and many who do can't read or write on a level above eighth grade?
When teachers are spending more time with useless paperwork than with students you have a problem. When memorizing things on the TCAP becomes more important than a child's ability to process information you have a problem. When teachers are afraid to speak up for fear of being transferred to a distant school there's a problem.
While there are clearly a number of outstanding teachers, principals, administrators and students the overall situation in the Giles County School system is disturbing at best. Allen Barrett
wab...
There you go again with the name-calling. Can you not see where you are much too offensive and abrasive? You offered somewhat of an apology to the principal who voiced resentment and then referred to the others as spineless. Who are they? Would you name a few?
Oh, what arrogance! It just amazes me that you cannot or will not see that. You continue to make enemies.
to 3:32
According to Mr. Barrett's logic, you could name three principals and at least two out of the three would be among the spineless since only the one who expressed resentment was excluded. Isn't that what was implied? I know better than that.
3:32 I wonder why you didn't respond to the other parts of Mr. Barretts statement. I an a teacher and Mr Barrett is right in this matter. The only principal that actually supports his teachers and demands more than students to simply show up is Mr. Smith. The comment from 9:40 could have easily and correctly been written by Mr. Smith.
Keeping things covered up is not the same as running a good school.
to 4:14
So are you saying that the principals at all the other schools in Giles County are apineless except for Mr. Smith? And of course you have personal knowledge of this? Can you not see how inflammatory such remarks made by you and Mr.Barrett can be?
By the way, I chose to respond only to what I believe can stir up more trouble here in Giles County. I didn't realize that one had to respond to everything said by whomever says it.
How is pointing out things that are wrong stirring things up? Aren't they still wrong even if people don't know it's going on? Can't you usually fix something only if you know there is a problem?
I agree about the principals, Mr. Smith is an awesome administrator and I wish we had someone like him as Director of Schools, alot of this crap going on now would disappear and not just get covered up and ALL would be treated fairly.
7:09
Who said that pointing out wrongs is the same as stirring up trouble? I didn't see that anywhere. But you and I both know that those inflammatory remarks CAN stir up trouble.
Let me ask you a question. Since you know there is "crap" going on and things being covered up, why don't you elaborate? To use your own words, your pointing out wrongs should not be construed as an attempt to stir up trouble. Right? This is your chance to let people know what is going on. Right?
5:16 why don't you grow up or at least stop being a part of the problem. Oh but you couldn't stand the thought of not getting credit for your imagined good deeds even though you're not willing to put in the effort to actually do something or even actually get to know know something. You are the worse kind of obstacle because like most liberals you really think you're the only one who knows whats best for everyone else while your life is a big zero, a nothing a failure.
Mr. Barrett,
All of the paperwork teachers and administrators have to do is not something the Director nor principals came up with. All of the paperwork comes from the State Dept or the federal government. How about stopping in at a school and ask a principal to show you what has to be done for the observation of each teacher. It is unbelievable the amount of paperwork that has to be done. Again, not by the principal's choosing nor the Director. I agree whole heartedly that all the red tape has taken from the education of our children. Teachers and principals are only following directives handed to them by someone else. Again I say, please be better informed before spewing harsh rhetoric and vicious haranguing.
8:51
I asked a legitimate question about those inflammatory statements and the so-called spineless administrators minus one. Would you care to answer it?
I don't suppose there's any use in my asking if you agree with the last sentence of 9:40's post which was addressed to Mr. Barrett? Do you?
9:40
Excellent and truthful post.
As a fellow principal, why do we all have to be spineless except for Mr. Smith? He does a good job, but so do the rest of us. Like other jobs, some have different styles and means of getting things done. We are not ALL spineless. That is not nice. That only causes hard feelings among fellow workers.
Yes, inflammatory remarks can surely stir up trouble.
Hummmm. Lets see here. You have very little parent involvement at GCHS. I find it amusing that teachers look surprised when parents actually show up for parent-teacher conferences. No PTO. Np parents volunteering to aid the staff. The booster club consists of about 10 people out of maybe 1700+ parents. There are maybe ten parents that help out with the band. Do you see a trend here. No parents. No parents. No parents.
Now, reckon why there are no parents. Of course there's the I'm too busy. I'm working, I'm a single parent, its the education systems responsibility to baby sit, teach, and discipline my kids group. But one of the real problems at GCHS is three years of parent training conducted by none other than the "Mr. Smith is an awesome administrator" character. It should take a parent about one day at the most to realize that you are not welcome at Mr. Smiths school. You are not wanted. Your questions are not important. Volunteers. At Mr. Smiths school? Your kidding right? PTO. Not in his lifetime in his school. Some of you people sit and bash selective elected and appointed officials for not listening to the opinions of others and then bang away at the keyboard praising Sir Smith. The resident dictator in charge. Sure he has discipline and backs his staff. But his mark on the system is the ability to distance parents from the school. He then graduates them to GCHS along with their parents training completed.
If you want improvement in the schools then you get the parents involved. You don't push them away. Society has done enough already to accomplish that. He belongs at the alternative school where his talents are needed. Pulaski Elementary, Southside. Parents helping. Mr. Smiths dictator school. Your not welcome anymore. GCHS. Reaps the hand-me-downs of Mr. Smiths teachings.
Now before you jump to the conclusion that I personally have had issues with my child and Mr. Smith, there were none. He would guess 5000 names and still not come close to my identity. My "issue" is with his style of management. Close minded and his opinion counts only method of operation. We need team players all over to correct our course. He is a one man team.
What did I tell you. NO matter how much one thinks of a principal or teacher, you will have those who have issuus with one's management and method of operation. Maybe, the last post didn't get his/her way with Mr. Smith. The guy is as fair as they come. He doesn't treat people different because of who they are or who they are not. Just can't please everybody. Hang in there Mr. Smith. I appreciate what you do and trying to keep my child safe at your school.
I served as the PTO president at BMS for three years. He encouraged all the parents to volunteer. As a matter of fact, he sent out a letter asking for volunteers at the beginning of each year I was there. We "VOLUNTEERS" conducted the candy sale each year. I found the volunteers to work the concessions at basketball games. We also had many people who volunteered to serve as chaperones to the Spring Fling (school dance for the children). Maybe the person who fussed about Mr.
Smith was not asked to volunteer for a reason. After reading the post, can you see why that person was not asked?
10:50. Just curious as to the years you were head of the PTO. Had two pass through those halls and NEVER got anything from anybody about a PTO.
Ok. Lets see again. Two fund raisers and a dance. Please list other involvement areas Mr. Smith allowed you to participate in. And to follow up on 11:18, how many members did you have in your PTO? Also, as President of the PTO, pleas forward ideas generated by the PTO members that Mr. Smith gave his blessings to and actually implemented.
I obviously typed way to much information for you to understand in one post. I never had any issues with my child and Mr. Smith. What he is blessed with is an excellent staff. Teachers were great.
Mr. Barrett....
Would you now at least admit that your remarks about spineless administrators have stirred up trouble? Would you likewise concede that you have made some additional enemies out there? I doubt it but just thought I'd ask.
To Tuesday 22 Dec 9:40 PM
I never claimed that all the paperwork was created by the Principals, Director or the local administration only that administration requirements have taken much away from teaching and that administrators should give every resource and support mechanism available to the classroom teacher and then get out of the way. One question is what have the local administrators actually done in an effort to make those in Nashville and D.C. aware of their displeasure over ever increasing paperwork loads, I fear little to nothing.
I have spent much time in the schools as a substitute teacher as a parent and grandparent, I still have one grandchild in the system. I regularly spend time talking with both students and teachers. Without even knowing me it seems rather pretentious for you to determine I "should be better informed" based on your misunderstanding of my statement.
To 22 Dec 9:53PM
Once again I did not say all principals were spineless in fact my comment didn't specify principals at all only administrators.
I have acknowledged, not just on this blog but in other venues as well, that there are some very outstanding principals, teachers and even administrators in our system. It's just as true that there are some very poor even incompetent people in each of those groups. The problem is as usual the bad seem to overpower the good not necessarily in numbers, partly because the good seldom stand up and speak out. Silence enables bad behavior and everyone suffers.
When students and teachers feel treated unfairly it creates resentment. When the leader spends more time talking with and looking at the girls and female teachers than actually leading a lack of respect is the result.
Personally I am more in tune with the activist Joe Clark style than the whiny hand wringing of most liberal educators.
To 23 Dec 6:19 AM.
I admit that my remarks have helped serve the purpose of opening a dialog about some of the problems in the school system. As for enemies, well if I spent all my time worried about enemies I'd end up like you, afraid to say or do anything but blindly support the status quo. Allen Barrett
Mr. Barrent.....
For your information, you know nothing about what I support. And I knew you would never admit that you have stirred up another instance of trouble. I think you thrive on contention. And you have the audacity to talk down to a professional educator by saying he or she is being pretentious? Unbelievable arrogance. I'll bet you aren't called to do any subbing at that school again...if you ever were.
I have to say I agree with it the above statements regarding administrators in this county - especially up at the Richland schools. Not impressed at all with the way things are handled at either of the two schools. Both schools take a "lets NOT take a stand for anything and just sit back and hope all our problems go away" approach. It is time for imrovements in our education system in this county and it begins with the Director to see that these improvements are happening. Being a teacher or an administrator in our country today is difficult to say the least, but if you can't stand the fire and don't want what is BEST for our future....get out of the kitchen! Please!!!!!
What about classes or programs to address teenage alcoholism? Obviously with Richland teenagers coming to ball games plastered - by the way - talk about zero tolerance - the teenager in question got early vacation days (OSS)at home then got to come back to school and pass all classes. Just think of all the other teenagers that will see this as fun....let's come to school drunk...we'll then get excused absences and makeup our work and pass our classes!! YIPPEE!!!!
10:06 everyone knows what you support.... NOTHING BUT THE STATUS QUO. You are a loser and have made it abundantly clear to every reader of this blog. You lost the IQ lottery but more than make up for it in hypocrisy.
To 23 Dec 10:06 AM
I stated to someone who had mistakenly interpreted a comment I had written that "Without even knowing me it seems rather pretentious for you to determine I "should be better informed" based on your misunderstanding of my statement."
You then come on here with this comment, ""the audacity to talk down to a professional educator by saying he or she is being pretentious? Unbelievable arrogance."
First there was no talking down to anyone it was just a response that you happen to find unacceptable to your very limited vocabulary and thinking processes. The word you found so offensive "pretentious" simply means to make a false claim. Clearly there was a claim made about my comment which I believed to be erroneous.
Perhaps if you spent a bit more time researching words and their meaning instead of being so eager to criticize every thing I say, you wouldn't feel everyone was talking down to you and your self esteem could begin to grow a bit. Allen Barrett
This is getting no where except to make a more devisive community.
No wab, you did talk down to a professional educator. Just because you find the statement the educator made as erroneous doesn't negate the fact that you showed an attitude of arrogance. Shame on you.
You see, no mater which school is mentioned, someone will disagree and complain about something at that school. It seems that each school has its distractors. And nothing good comes from this except to stir up problems.
7:05
You are so right. And this has stirred up trouble already.
There are classes for alcohol, drug and abuse started in elementary school. Ever heard of DARE? Second step programs are done in all our elementary schools. Teachers are trained in many different areas but they cannot save the world. Again the things like violence are often times learned at home. Teachers don't raise our children, they reinforce what we teach but if those children don't learn manners, compassion and behavior at home the teachers are not going to mean much. Don't blame the schools and teachers for the problems that children are raised with. I am not a teacher but a parent and I realize that I have to teach my child at home first. Teach your child love others, accept others and forgive others.
10:35
You are absolutely right.
Very Good 10:35, Very good!
There are going to be baout three posts coming up, this is the first.
MERRY Christmas to all, and God Bless you. No matter what we are all God's Children.
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:14:00 AM
Lets start at the beginning; as usual everyone else is to blame for what you said. I did not speak to you as a child, I spoke to you as someone who has completely uttered inane comments, and refuses to understand that others are not evil just because they disagree.
Next, Mr. Barrett did not insinuate anything, he asked a simple question. Is it possible that anyone knew something? There is always the possibility that someone knew something and did not do something or did not understand what was happening. Hence the reason and need for classes.
As far as the administrators on the hill, we all could use a hit in the head on occasion, but the reference was to someone getting there attention. By the way, I do know some of the people on the hill, and rather like them. Just because I don't agree with their politics doesn't mean I don't like them.
Now to a meatier subject, I try very hard not to lie, therefore beware of your unfounded accusations. I am speaking the truth. Your comments on this blog lend nothing to the thread, they are merely accusatory and inflammatory. They are usually directed at a few people, and are stated just to cause problems. Therefore, I am not lying. And as far as mean spirited attacks, you are have no room to talk. Nothing I said was mean spirited about this thread except to you, and that was well deserved.
Next you have just lumped us into a group that has no class, your words, and then again, I guess you have none either since you have deigned to join us.
No, I am not qualified to make the important decisions, but I am willing to listen....remember that word, you don't use it, and learn. Even from you. I have learned a couple of things from you. However, you haven't, learned anything and aren't willing to listen. Therefore you are being childish, which is not hysterical.
Tuesday, December 22, 2009 6:30:00 AM
Unfortunately you have it wrong again. You are the only one I took to task, and that because you took someone else to task over your lack of perception. You stated that Mr. Barrett insinuated soemthing, and you are the only one who did that. Your hypocrisy is the amazing thing. You so often accuse others of doing exactly what you consistently do. Please, let us try and plot the overthrow of the city and county governments without any future interference.
Oops, did I post that? Sorry for letting the cat out of the bag. You knew that already though. Didn't you?
Oh, Grow-Up, it was a joke. Putz.
dead...
So you deny that your hero talked down to a professional educator? You are smarter than that, so I must assume that you choose to misunderstand what he said. "There is always the possibility that someone knew something....." Your words.
Lumped into a group? Accusatory and inflammatory? Directed at a few people? Started just to cause problems? Does this sound like anyone we know? Answer...YOU GUYS. You just don't like it when someone points that out to you.
Here's a thought for you. If barrett didn't imply anything, then why did the educator respond in the way he or she did? Huh?
dead...
Oh, I know; it was a "lack of perception" on the part of the professional.
I have a hard time understanding why every post Mr. Barrett makes seems to cause a major conflict. I wish everyone would care enough to question the way things are and make suggestions on how to improve things.
When we moved here in 1997, my son was getting ready to start Kindergarten... I went to the school and specifically questioned the school security b/c of the shooting. They did not seem to
want to discuss it with me. I guess the subject was taboo... but, where my sons safety is involved... I want to talk about it! They do have an SRO officer and a supposed zero tolerance policy. I think they try, but I know more could be done. My son has been bullied and has also made idle threats in front of staff... but, they just let it go and move on. I am glad he hasn't been punished for the threats, BUT, maybe he should have been. Zero tolerance should mean zero tolerance. Just a thought. Kids pick on my son all the time. It has been that way for years. It happens in class, the bathroom, in the halls... he says sometimes in front of teachers. He says they just laugh it off and make a joke of it. To him, it isn't a laughing matter. It makes him angry... I wonder if that is how school shooters feel? Angry, hurt, and like nobody has heard their complaints? Of course, that is no excuse... I am just saying that there are usually signs before violent events take place.
It is important to take these thingsseriously... there is np reason for anyone to be offended b/c Mr. Barrett started a thread to discuss the safety of our children.
Stacey...
It's ok to start threads to discuss issues. But when he makes suggestive remarks HE is the one who is offending people like me. And no, I have nothing to hide and no hidden agenda.
Hey Dumbo, are you trying to say that a "professional educator" can't be wrong? That they can't possibly misunderstand something that is said by another person? Sorry but even "professional educators" are humans and they make mistakes.
Mr Shirey was a "professional educator" ask him if he should have handled the Jamie Rouse situation differently. Ask him if he could do it over if he would do it differently? Ask him if he wishes there had been professional training available for dealing with troubled kids?
You are so single-minded in your quest to trap MrBarrett you have lost your senses.
7:54
Must you always resort to calling names when someone such as I says somethign you don't like to hear? By the way, this has nothing to do with Mr. Shirey. And who said a professional educator could never be wrong? Those are your words and not mine. It amazes me that you apparently think wab is smarter than the professional about the professional's occupation. How arrogant is that?
Oh, have you ever heard of counselors in the schools? We do have them, and they ARE trained to deal with troubled youth. The only problem is they rarely get a chance to work with those youth from what I've been told.
Dec. 26, 7:54 I said several posts ago that this blog is going no where except to cause trouble. Bringing the Rouse case up and making insinuations about how Shirey handled that situation is not right. Actually, that is shameful and a low blow to someone who was shot at by a student. You have no heart to even bring that up on here. Shame, Shame Shame on you.
12:00
Ditto. My sentiments exactly.
Well I guess I have no heart because the Rouse situation has a lot to do with today's situation. If better measures had been taken at that time could there have been better results in the latest violence? The problem is most people were initially shocked by the act but then tried and still try to push it aside and pretend it never happened. I never said Mr Shirey was at fault and I'm sure it's something that haunts him everyday. The focus shouldn't be about what happened as much as how to prevent future incidents and I'm sure that Mr. Shirey would agree with that. You admit that school counselors are there but have little time with students so even you should be concerned and asking why isn't there time made for the students and the teachers. Why isn't there classes in place to at least introduce teachers and students to such indicators as drastic changes in behavior, code words that reveal underlying anger, etc.
Saturday 8:45 I would remind you that you're the one who was so offended that a "professional educator" was questioned, not me. I know of no one that is above being questioned when it comes to my life and family. I question doctors when they say I need certain treatments it not about being concerned about their qualifications but to make me more comfortable with their decisions by knowing what those decisions are based on. I have never had a doctor become offended because they were being questioned.
While I have had some teachers become defensive at some questions I haven't seen them become offended when they understood what the question actually was.
I stand firmly by my statement that your hatred for Barrett has blinded you to any clear thinking where he is involved.
834 you missed a point - dumbo isn't blind - she is like a brain dead windmill with a noise maker attached.
8:34
And I would remind you that the one you so admire is the one who insulted a professional educator. I merely pointed it out. And, as I said, if it wasn't insulting, then please explain to me why the educator posted that he (wab) should know more about what he's talking about before he goes to spewing off.
I stand by what I said about the Richland staff. If I were among them, I would find it totally insulting to have anyone suggest that some of the staff possibly knew of impending danger and did nothing. That's NOT the same concept as questioning your family doctor.
You falsely accused me of hating barrett. Excuse me, but that's a lie. I have no respect for him and have utter contempt for his behavior, but that doesn't mean I hate him.
5:10 you demonstrate all the qualities of an obama appointee.
To 27 Dec 5:10 PM
I gather that the comment you refer to as being from the "professional educator I insulted" was from 22 Dec 9:40PM as that is the only one I could find that mentions "spewing" in the context of your complaint.
It's unfortunate that you failed to read all of that person's comment as they agreed with me when they stated, "It is unbelievable the amount of paperwork that has to be done. Again, not by the principal's choosing nor the Director. I agree whole heartedly that all the red tape has taken from the education of our children."
As I wrote a in a later comment, I never limited the problem of obstacles placed in the way of classroom teachers as coming only from the local administrators.
Why would I apologize to someone who agreed with me?
Your problem my not be that you hate me but it certainly seems you have become obsessed with fabricating rather outrageous even laughable complaints about everything I write say or even at time think. Why don't you try looking at what I say with a bit of objectivity instead of with total objection. You might be amazed if you would simply check out the facts instead of just a blanket rejection. Allen Barrett
wab....
So you will admit that there was that one particular post? And I know it's very hard for a man of your intelligence to admit that he was wrong and render the apporpriate apology. The writer's post that there's an enormous amount of paperwork in education goes without saying. We all know that. But you DID offend the professional. Again, if that were not the case, then explain why he or she asked you to know what you are talking about before you go spewing.
To 10:02 I hope you're really not that stupid. Go read the post I made. The person who you claim was offended was in agreement with me and has not posted anything about a perceived offense since I posted that they had misunderstood what I had written.
Because a person is a "professional" doesn't necessarily say much other than they get paid for their services. You can be a professional mechanic as opposed to a guy who just attempts to fix a motor. You can be a professional carpenter as opposed to someone who merely builds a box. A professional educator is no different than a professional photographer when outside their chosen field neither necessarily has any more expertise than anyone else. There are good and bad "professionals" in every "profession" therefore none are above being questioned or making a mistake. I wonder why it is that the one you claim was so grievously offended has not put up any statement on this matter since I pointed out the misunderstanding?
Why don't you spend a little time actually reading my comments then respond to what is actually stated and not your biased feelings.
Allen Barrett
wab...
I'll not bother going back to quote you verbatim. We both know you talked down to a professional educator (presumed by one writer to be Mr. Smith, and he or she even asked you to know what you are talking about before you start spewing. The writer even described your words as vicious. I'll ask you again. If the writer was not offended, then why did he or she describe your words as vicious spewing?
You stated that neither outside his or her chosen field would necessarily have any more expertise than anyone else. That's equally true of you. I would think a professional educator would know just a little bit more about the field of education than you do.
You owe that individual an apology, whether you will admit it or not. In addition, I think you owe the Richland teaching staff an apology. Swallow your ego and pride and apologize.
Uh, wab, I think the educator actually pointed out your misunderstanding, but you failed to grasp it.
The information revolution has almost eliminated the need for the endless stream of "recordkeeping".
Unfortunately Almost is, everywhere except "education". When everything must be monitored by the head monitor and so forth down the ladder until one eventually finds a live brain cell, it's too late!
Thus the end result is monotonous conformity where everyone reaches their ultimate level of incompetence and uselessness.
Is there a single cost saving made in the past several years? Have we eliminated any bureaucratic positions? Nope - just more spending at about 2+ times the inflation rate.
WAB - there is only one "profession" as old as wizardry ... be gentle - they only love when you give them money
Hey, now there's an idea for a new topic thread! Let's discuss the pros and cons of legalized prostitution. Surely, that would be one in which Mr. Jackson, Mrs. Vanzant, and select other incorrigibles could be excluded from blame, accusations, and belittlement. What a thought!
The old saying goes "when you argue with a fool, it soon becomes difficult to distinguish between the two."
Time to move on....
4:51
That is a very true statement you just made. And I suppose you are right. I was just trying to get an apology from someone who apparently thinks he says and does nothing wrong.
When one is too proud to admit error and apologize, it's way past time to move on.
5:14, Are you the professional educator referred to in this thread? If not, then I would respectfully request that either you comment on the TOPIC or shut up. I am fairly certain, being one myself, that the professional educator can speak for themselves and don't need you to beg for an apology that doesn't even affect you. Do you know anything about this or any topic or do you simply enjoy picking apart wabs words? Everybody disagrees sometime, intelligent people offer alternative viewpoints; you just point out how bab barrett is...educate yourself and mind your own business.
5:27
It is my business when it comes to someone making inflammatory remarks about professional educators. Who are you to judge whether or not this affects me?
Look, all I was trying to do is get the man to admit he was wrong and to apologize for his remarks. But some people just cannot find the humility to do that I suppose. I'm amazed that you, being an educator, seem to be an apologist for such behavior.
Me, being an educator, knows that when I see someone else being talked about in a way I don't approve of, have enough respect for that person to speak up for themselves. I will say it again, if you aren't the one that is referred to and the one that was referred to isn't bothered enough by the remarks to speak up about it, then it's none of your business and it's rather condescending and arrogant of you to demand an apology for that adult professional. Maybe they weren't offended and you are just sticking your nose whee it doesn't belong. Who cares what wab thinks? Apparently you do more than anyone else. He offered his opinion on the issue. Are you educated enough to offer yours, or are you going to continue this tattling. My kids do this all the time at school..."little susie told little debbie to shut up". My response: "and how is that your business little mary?" You refuse to comment on issues, but constantly do to wab what you accuse him of doing....I repeat, apparently you are the only one who is hanging on to Mr Barrett's every word, gotta wonder why....
Educators at each other. Now it's really time to stop it. See, this has only caused trouble where there was none.
8:59
I think you need to read the 10:05 post just below yours. You will see that I'm not the only one who thinks the inflammatory remarks only caused trouble. And they have!
No, I am not the educator being referred to. However, that individual did tell wab that he needed to know more about what he was talking about before he spewed vicious things. Go back and read it for yourself. If that person wasn't bothered by the remarks, then why did he mention that they were vicious? Could you explain that one for me?
I wasn't "demanding" an apology from the one you so willingly defend. He owes me nothing. But he was clearly out of line, and I was simply appealing to him as a human being to do the right thing. He didn't.
If YOU are an educator, does it not bother you just a tiny bit what was said about the Richland staff? Does it not trouble you how he responded to the one who said his remarks were vicious in nature?
You mentioned the offering of opinions. I offered mine, and make no apologies for them. By the way, I did comment on the issues surrounding this thread and, as a result, have had to deal with people like you. Perhaps you have a "zero tolerance" for any opinions or views that are not your own?
Monday, December 28, 2009 11:08:00 PM
He didn't "SAY" anything about the Richland staff. He said that someone "May have known" and he referred to teachers and students. What kind of idiot are you? Think, for once, about this. Have you never in your life, looked back at a situation and thought, I knew that, or I saw that coming, but then you didn't when it was happening? If I am reading this right, Mr. Barrett is not saying anyone knew anything and refused to do anything about it, he is saying that someone may have known some thing and didn't do anything because they didn't know they knew. (Whew, that was rough.) You have so focused in on one thing that you refuse to see the big picture, or are you unwilling to because you are trying to turn the threads away from the stated issues. So you think Mr. Barrett is arrogant and talks down to others, so what? So do you. So you think Mr. Barrett is stirring up trouble? So what? So are you. So you think Mr Barrett doesn't give or have all the information? So what, neither do you. Do you not see? You and he are the same. Maybe opposite sides of the same coin, but you are the same. Don't you understand, you can both say what you want, but you direct you vile comments directly at him, and anyone that agrees with him, whether you understand their opinion or not. This makes you more tyranical and obnoxious than him. I know, I'm just defending my, what was it you called him? Oh yes, my "HERO", sorry, you once again have no idea what you are talking about. I have never met Mr. Barrett, and I am not a big fan of hero worship. I guess I'll just have to sit on the sidelines and continue to be a cheerleader. 2 - 4 - 6 - 8 who can we irr - i - tate? THE A-non-y-mous. (Only because they are to self important to let us know who they are.) By the way, I thought of your earlier explanation of why you don't use a name or identifier, and have come to this conclusion, you are simply an amoral, condescending, caterwauling cretin, and you are too cowardly to be identified. I know, I am hiding behind a nom de plume, ahh... but I am not you cretinous boor, as I have told you before, those who know me, will know this is me, those who don't..... well, maybe they will know too. However in your case, you don't want to know me, you just want to be the anonymous person everyone talks about, and you want to gloat because no one knows who you are. Well, I know. Maybe not your name, but I know you by your words, and your frivolous attempts to bandy words with more severe wits than yours. Your words are more like Dick and Jane to Hemingway or Chaucer. Enjoy your little games, good day, Neighbor.
dead...
You are right. He did SAY that someone on the staff may have known and did nothing about it. Oh, and teachers are included on a school staff. Did you not know that?
I had to get off the floor laughing at your comparison of Dick and Jane to Hemingway and Chaucer. I assume that you, Mr. nom de plume, are among the latter group? How laughably arrogant. And, by the way, you must be wearing out your dictionary finding witty names to call me. That's cool, but I'll not degrade myself by treating you the same way.
No, a person of your intellect should not sit on the sidelines. I would venture to say that you could stir up a lot more trouble in Giles County by actually giving up your cheerleading job and getting on the field of play.
Your problem with me continues to be the fact that I will stand against every single one who chooses to use mean-spirited attacks on people they disagree wit. If that includes you, Mr. nom de plume, then so be it! We both know that it's my right to offer opposing viewpoints anyhow.
dead...
You are right. He did SAY that someone on the staff may have known and did nothing about it. Oh, and teachers are included on a school staff. Did you not know that?
I had to get off the floor laughing at your comparison of Dick and Jane to Hemingway and Chaucer. I assume that you, Mr. nom de plume, are among the latter group? How laughably arrogant. And, by the way, you must be wearing out your dictionary finding witty names to call me. That's cool, but I'll not degrade myself by treating you the same way.
No, a person of your intellect should not sit on the sidelines. I would venture to say that you could stir up a lot more trouble in Giles County by actually giving up your cheerleading job and getting on the field of play.
Your problem with me continues to be the fact that I will stand against every single one who chooses to use mean-spirited attacks on people they disagree wit. If that includes you, Mr. nom de plume, then so be it! We both know that it's my right to offer opposing viewpoints anyhow.
dead...
Oh, and one more thing. This blog is about dead anyhow, but it survives largely because of this dispute between you and me. Shall we both just call it a draw and let this thing die?
Deadman,
You said it so good.
"So you think Mr. Barrett is arrogant and talks down to others, so what? So do you. So you think Mr. Barrett is stirring up trouble? So what? So are you. So you think Mr Barrett doesn't give or have all the information? So what, neither do you. Do you not see? You and he are the same. Maybe opposite sides of the same coin, but you are the same. Don't you understand, you can both say what you want, but you direct you vile comments directly at him, and anyone that agrees with him, whether you understand their opinion or not. This makes you more tyranical and obnoxious than him."
Noticed she had to post twice to get back at you, think you hit a nerve.
1:22
You are wrong on all counts. And please don't compare me with wab in terms of being tyrannical and obnoxious. I posted my opinions, and they stand without apology. It's just unfortunate that they are not in tune with yours. Oh well, isn't that what free speech is all about?
You still have this gender confusion issue with me. I wish you could accept the fact that I am a man. But you have more fun suggesting otherwise, don't you?
Why is it that you say someone "hit a nerve" when I say something in rebuttal? Horsehockey!
256 Obnoxious ? - yes. you're too ineffective & weak to be a tyrant. Maybe hydrant, as in fire hydrant, where every dog that passes whizzes on you. Guess that makes you a wizzard too???
tisk, tisky, tisk
Horsehockey!
I hate to hear anyone say something about the Richland staff knowing something. If they did do you not think they are feeling anything. If the parents did not know what was going on in their children's minds how can teachers. The parents should know what their children are capable of better than teachers. Have you ever heard anyone say they could kill someone. They don't really mean it. The staff is not responisible for what happened now or in the past. Some of these staff members are having a really bad time of it. It does not matter what kind of training you have things happen.
618 Bad things happen. Sometimes good people lose their perspective & become bad people. What happened was bad but rubbing it in compounds the bad.
If there is something to discuss & learn, then we need to do it. However that ball game is over & it's time make sure we are open enough & involved enough to make a positive difference.
Let's go back to 2008 & consider million dollar games played with financial results, open denial, open manipulation, & no one with the guts to fess up, discuss it & address the cause of that embarassing problem.
It's not the teachers, not the students, & not the parents. How can anyone expect anything good in such a screwed up environment - where zero tolerance is based on zero credibility and integrity?
There is a huge body of teachers, students, parents, and taxpayers - manipulated one plus a handfull. Why not correct it?
6:18
You are so right! Someone's face ought to be burning with shame for even suggesting such a thing about the Richland staff.
Excellent post!
8:42 I don't see where I was rubbing anything in. All I said was if the parents did not know then how could teachers or staff. I am not putting the blame anywhere but saying that things happen which children and adults and nobody knows what happened. I think that the staff systemwide does the best that they can with few exceptions. We all see things in the news every day and wonder what went wrong. Only God knows for sure.
Well parents have a tendency to overlook problems that their children are having because they just don't want to believe their child could be doing or going through something like that-THAT'S A FACT! And I do believe that I heard during the Rouse trial-which by the way was broadcasted live- that several people had heard him make remarks that should have been further looked into. So yes people had clues they just didn't realize what they meant or where they were going to lead.
Ok Mr Barrett expressed an opinion and I was offended so i expressed an opinion that he should know more about what he is talking about before writing anything. He then said I had mis understood what he had written I reread it and agree therefore I have not posted anything since then. What's the need for an apology,we both along with a number of other people posted our opinions. The only one who seems offended is the anonymous who wants to attack, attack Mr Barrett.
The question is if a person, any person at any school overheard a conversation where a person threatened to kill another person what would be the route for reporting such a thing? The second question is what kind of program is in place that allows teachers and students to be better prepared to see, understand and report such difficult situations. I believe this was basically the questions that started this thread.
8:07-If you are such a frustrated educator and agrees with WAB, you need to leave the profession. Obviously, you are not much of a professional and since you are in the system, you should know what is in place to report over-heard talk from students. I hope my child NEVER has you in your classroom.
to frustrated...
Ok, you need to go back and read my 7:09 post of December 28. And, while you're at it, read my 11:08 post on that same date. There are some questions that need to be considered.
I recall from your post that you asked barrett to "stop spewing harsh rhetoric and vicious haranguing". And now you side with this man and have the nerve to say that I ought to apologize to him? Not on your life!
If you are who I think you are, you just lost my respect. And you did have it, trust me.
frustrated educator:
Maybe you need to apologize to Mr. Barrett for your statements? You were right to begin with and didn't need to back-peddle one inch.
I am amazed at the lack of thought that was posted in the last two comments. Because I agreed that I may have misunderstood what Mr Barrett had said one person feels I no longer am a professional and would be horrified if their child was in my class. I never said "I sided with the man" only that I agreed with him that I may have misunderstood what he had originally said. I would appreciate you showing me where I said you should apologize to anyone including Mr. Barrett. Perhaps you need to read and think more than read and react. I don't know who you think I am but I'm sorry if I have disappointed you but I just refuse to be used by you or anyone else to attack Mr. Barrett or anyone else.
8:37
I am the one who posted at 5:35 this morning. On December 22 at 9:40 you posted that you resented wab's calling you a spineless administrator. He even stated that you were being pretentious. What did you misunderstand about those charges?
By the way, I must apologize to you for erroneously making a false statement about what you said. You did not suggest in any way that I apologize to barrett. My mistake.
I believe what Barret said about spineless administrators was clarified when he stated that if I wasn't one then it did not apply to me. As far as the term pretentious used in describing the making of a false statement I have to admit that what I said was as pretentious as what I claimed he had said.
One thing that has come from this that is very clear is that you have a much greater capacity for stirring up trouble than you claim Mr. Barrett has.
frustrated...
Are you saying that, since you were given a free pass, it was acceptable that the other administrators be considered spineless? I hope you don't mean that.
To me, one thing that has come from this is that this thread has stirred up trouble and has caused hard feelings. And you consider me the troublemaker just because I point that out? At this point, I suppose you may be just as disappointed with me as I am with you. That's unfortunate.
Frustrated eductor is not an administrator. Just to clear that up. So 6:45, you need to stop being disappointed in someone who it is not.
Principals are administrators. The one in question even claimed to be and said that he (or she) allows his or her teachers the flexibility to teach. Ok? So maybe you need to know more about what you are talking about before mouthing off.
Ok, 7:56, Frustrated Educator is not a principal, administrator nor a supervisor. You still have your assumptions incorrect.
8:14
My assumptions are based on the FACT that administrators and principals have been discussed in the same context on this thread. Go back and read some of the posts. By the way, those assumptions have nothing to do with the reality that this thread has stirred up trouble. And the instigator sits back and watches the fireworks as usual.
6:25
You stir the pot. The more you stir the more it will stink.
Every think when we keep quiet, it will die and the smell will go away?
But what would you do for fun then?
Monday, January 04, 2010 6:25:00 AM
So, is it your contention, that the only reason Mr. Barrett, or any of the rest of us get on this blog, is to stir up trouble? Also, are you implying that Mr. Barrett gets some sort of perverse pleasure from writing these threads, "stirring up trouble, and then sitting back and watching the fireworks?" Do you really think our lives are as pathetic as yours? Most of us do not have time to monitor this blog daily and respond with such banal ideas and diatribe. By the way, I am not "wearing out the dictionary", the words I come up with are words I have learned in a lifetime of dealing with pedantic sycophants such as yourself. I don't need to look up names to call you. They just start appearing whenever I read the drivel you post.
The real reason most of us get on this blog is to discuss things that concern us in Giles County. Now, some of that may be that we don't like the way that a county leader is performing his or her job. When we disagree with the way a job is done, it can sound nasty, arrogant, and bitter. This is our right. Now as disagreeable as it may be, it is also your right to also post your opinion, but must you always be so petulant about what is said? We don't need you to be our mother or father here. If someone in the county gets upset at what we say, then let them come deal with it. And my problem with you has nothing to do with the stand you take, it has to do with the fact that you use the same tactics you accuse everyone else of using. You are truly unbelievable, you have not one iota of sense. You are truly clueless to the fact that we say what is on our mind here, and are not trying to cause the problems you see. We are not out to rule the world as you see in your paranoid fantasies. So, please visit with us often, I am sure you learn from us, exactly what we learn from you. By the way, please do stop refering to me as a cheerleader. I am neither cheering nor condemning. I just calls 'em likes I seez 'em.
dead
Well, here we go again. Yes, it actually IS my contention that the one you so admire seems to delight in causing strife and contention. He either does it on purpose or in ignorance. Either way, trouble is stirred, and I think you know that.
Diatribe and drivel? Pedantic sycophants? Petulant? YOU are truly unbelievable.
No, your problem with me is the fact that I will not let you get away with the outright belittlement of others. As I've said, we have the criminal justice system and the electoral process in place to deal with undesirable elected officials. Why can't you with all your intelligence see that? Sounds pedantic, I know.
Visit with you guys? You bet. The Lord willing, I'll be keeping a close eye on what you are doing. Am I mistaken, or was it you who actually made a statement on this blog concerning the overthrow of county government? I could be wrong. Anyhow, please don't be a blooter.
"Strife, contention", "trouble", and belittlement of those who be little, is really an excellent situation! If rats be stirred, they won't be eating. If roaches be not safe when seen, be gone they'll be.
The bellweather of bemoaners, when mad, tis time for the good to be glad. So it be, the blooter is really a floater begging to be flushed.
Yes, I did use those words to describe you. Also, I neither babble nor am I a fool, except in your eyes. Other than you, who have I belittled? Just because we think there is a problem with the government, are we not allowed to discuss it? Or must we wait til the elections? Why can't we talk about it so we can share information.
Are you referring to this remark? "Please, let us try and plot the overthrow of the city and county governments without any future interference." If you read further, you might have picked up this little gem. "Oops, did I post that? Sorry for letting the cat out of the bag. You knew that already though. Didn't you?" I figured that might have sent your paranoid senses into over drive. However, if you continued to read MR. A, you might have seen this, "Oh, Grow-Up, it was a joke. Putz." So please, get over yourself, you are not the Giles County Avenger. You are closer to George Hamilton as Zorro.
dead...
HLS Syndrome has you in its clutches. You really should get some professional help. Do you realize that neing angry and disagreeable all the time can, among other problems, cause ulcers?
As far as taking someone like you seriously, oh be assured that I do. You people are dangerous, and I don't discount a word you say. So go ahead and call me names if it boosts your ego.
620 you door bell is ringing on the other line
What makes me laugh, is that you think that I am angry. I really do pity your paranoia.
dead...
Denial is a typical symptom of HLS Syndrome. I should pity you. Get some help.
1033 de Nile is a big river full of alligators - everytime you jump in, one bites you in the rear end.
You really need to call WAB, he might be able to help you get over it. Unlike you, he's sweet & compassionate - might suggest a better way of life for you.
Maybe you could plant an olive tree or squirt a little olive oil on the door post to keep the gremlins from tormenting you??
With a little luck, people might start calling you "Olive Oyle" & Popeye would come a calling & add a little light in your life??
3:36
You're such a silly goose. Have you ever considered being a comedian or a writer for professional publications such as MAD Magazine? You seem a natural. Oops, did I just call you a name by calling you a natural? My apologies.
3x55
From an old coot
who gives no hoot
we give no salute
but leave a toot
9:14
Here's one for you to consider and make the proper application.
For if a priest is rotten, whom we trust,
No wonder if a layman comes to rust.
It's the plain duty of a priest to give
Example to his sheep; how they should live.
He never let his benefice for hire
And left his sheep to flounder in the mire.
G. Chaucer
As we continue to discuss small minded personalities on this thread the problem continues for our teachers and students in the school system. Without a better program of counselling and training we can only count the days until another problem erupts. To me it's much like what's happening with the federal government and it's denial of a vicious enemy poised to attack at any opportunity. Instead of facing the reality of the problem they just put more restrictions on airline passengers while avoiding the necessity of profiling and dealing with the real enemy. For me a little politically incorrect embarrassment is not nearly as painful as mass funerals. Allen Barrett
Mr. Barrett, to true. To often we get caught up in the minor irritating details of day to day business and fail to pay attention to the big picture. Thanks for pointing that out. The thing is, it is not just Richland that may have problems dealing with these situations, all the county schools could potentially have a problem.
We need to reconsider zero tolerance. No fighting whatsoever for any reason has brought this country to its knees! Children who are now adults need a dose of reality that only good old WW2 history films can teach. We may think we are rewriting history to create a more tolerate & benevolent society, but the facts merely say we are repeating history in the worst possible way. If you can't protect self, family, and those who are weak, you will die by the sword. So be it from the earliest Biblical records to this day... Especially in this day!
Zero tolerance is being bent into total conformity where you either believe the propaganda or your free movement and thought will be corrected and smothered. Best example of this sick process was the jailing of Winkles & Barrett for "speaking" and "interrupting" "business as usual", in a school board meeting a few years ago. What can we expect out of political correctness, other than compliance?
10:27
I believe, if memory serves me, that those two individuals were thrown in jail because of their behavior. Thank you.
No 10:27 we were thrown in jail because of the arrogance and corruption of a system that was full of itself. One only has to read the transcript or listen to the tape in order to know that neither man was loud or abusive. There was far more disruption from some board members than from either Fred or myself. I would be pleased to let you listen to the tape recorded by the school system that night. As was stated in court the decision was made prior to the meeting as to what they would do and eleven seconds after I uttered the first word the police were being called. So if you ever get interested in the facts come read the transcript of the trial or listen to the tape of the actual event until then you might want to just stop showing your ignorance.
Allen Barrett
We need to add that the lowly people, those who work & pay taxes, were alive & well when it came time for a trial. They were in control, not the annointed ones who felt free to corrupt representative government. They sent a message to the few corrupted in government, but their phone has been off the hook for several years.
Lots have changed since then. Lots of new faces & some have crawled back into the woodwork. Unfortunately, the ring leader is still riding the merrygoround. He's been neutered, but the dissention & running in circles will last until he's gone.
I don't have to wonder why dumbo hates wab so much. He poked a little pin in her ballon & down she came. Like humpty dumpty, they try to put the pieces back together, but all they get is egg on their grumpy little faces.
dumpo will never go public - everyone would laugh at her - point & call her eggo - big ego that aint got no giddy up go.
7:44
Still trying to impress your intellectual friends I see. It's quite an irony that you continue to call me dumbo. Grab your thesaurus and see if you can come up with something new. However, I don't think "dumpo" would be there. Oh, I forgot. You are trying to be funny and impress your colleagues who surely must think you the epitome of what you're calling me. What a joke.
I've sufficiently explained my feelings about the one you so admire. I do NOT hate wab, but I certainly find his behavior despicable, rude, and obnoxious. Is that clear now? I hope?
dumbo - you're too stupid & corrupted to comprehend the definition of spite, hate, and avarice. You've studdied every move & gesture of wab & anything you can't imitate, you hate. I'm sure you're looking in the mirror when you come up with the words "despicable, rude, and obnoxious." Face it - you don't measure up & never will.
7:14
Uh...more name-calling anyone? You have GOT to be either joking or on drugs if you think I would want to emulate wab. Again, I have absolutely NO respect for the man and would never want to be anything like him. Come on now. Can't you think of anything more original than that?
If anyone is into hero worship here, it has to be you and certainly not me. Think about it.
Your hero is yourself, but even someone as dumb as you can recognize never winning or accomplishing anything anyone respects or admires. It's like another episode of batman & bozo the perveted bumbling idiot. I'll bet your real hair color is green, with teeth to match.
11:25
Again, use your voting power to remove those YOU deem unfit and incompetent. And for those you think "corrupt", why don't you report them to the proper authorities and then butt out and stop whining and name-calling? Just a thought. Of course, very few will measure up to your lofty standards.
Only a pansy would wait forever to give the boot to a shyster. Boot em in the rear end - make life miserable for them & they'll go somewhere else & make someone else's life miserable... if they have an IQ higher than a carrot.
7:18
I would think they could say the same thing about you guys. Ignore them long enough and they will go away.
452, you're right on their flight path. The crooks keep doing the same crooked crap, & the idiots in charge of morality are in a stupor, sleeping ... But there are some of us who really enjoy dumping the honey pot on their head! That way, you get to wipe both ends & lick your fingers twice as often.
5:17
You appear so full of venom and hatred. Have you ever considered where you got that and what you have bought into, hook, line, and sinker?
I'd much rather have the snake firmly under my heel, than having him bite me in the rear end the first time I turn my head.
cast the venom & hatred you talk about somewhere else.
Someone said something about Janet the other day and I took up for her. They said, Oh, you bought into the HLSS.
I replied, I thought that was for the ones believing Barret.
They said you have it with those for Janet.
Oh well guess we have it also.
Go Janet, maybe we can make HLSS a trade mark.
you totally lost me. Don't mean no offense to ms janet, but it sounded like the dung eating dog that quit chasing cars defense.
If I were ms van z, I'd mighty unhappy with you. Why would you do that to her?
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