Commissioner Seeks Questions About Financial Management Office!
Commissioner Campbell, the chairperson of the Financial Management Committee has requested those with questions about the Financial Management Office, to please write them down and send them to
Commissioner Tommy Campbell
P.O. Box 678,
Pulaski Tenn., 38478.
Commissioner Campbell has assured me that questions he receives will be asked at the Financial Management Committee Meeting to be held Tuesday 17 April at 9:30 AM in the basement of the courthouse annex.
If you have questions and post them here I will compile a list and present them to Commissioner Campbell tomorrow at the Legislative committee meeting.
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Commissioner Tommy Campbell
P.O. Box 678,
Pulaski Tenn., 38478.
Commissioner Campbell has assured me that questions he receives will be asked at the Financial Management Committee Meeting to be held Tuesday 17 April at 9:30 AM in the basement of the courthouse annex.
If you have questions and post them here I will compile a list and present them to Commissioner Campbell tomorrow at the Legislative committee meeting.
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posted by Allen Barrett | 9:15 AM
289 Comments:
I thought that the Legislative Committee was planning on meeting 12 April and not tomorrow, the 6th?
You are right 11:56 thanks for the correction. It's the Property Committee that meets tomorrow 5 April at 9:30 in the basement conference room at the courthouse annex. My apologies to everyone for my mistake.
I'd like to know who applied for the jobs and what their qualifications were compared to the ones who were hired. I also want to know if Bill Holt's daughter is getting or already gat the job.
Bill's daughter works at one of the local plants and is happy working there. She applied when the office first opened. She is not interested at all in working at the Financial Office. I wanted to clear that and put that to rest.
If she is happy there, thenwhy did she apply for the job when Glenda Biggs qit?
9:54
Lots of happily employed people apply for job openings if they see it as an opportunity to better themselves. You know that, so why try to cause trouble? By the way, what business is it of yours who applies for a job? More importantly, how did you know Bill's daughter applied for the position? I know there's a spy down at the annex and at the courthouse. It's just shameful.
A spy, my, my, something must be wrong if we have to have spies.
8:01 You are so predictable in your enabling stupidity.
It's my business because I pay taxes.
It's my business if she or anyone else is given a job because a commissioner demanded they be hired. With the recent idiotic behavior of the county executive and finance director in hiring commissioner Harwell and the janitor then sending her to another department it should be the business of everyone.
How did I know she applied, not from a spy but public information acknowledged by simply asking.
Bill Holt said she applied at the close of a meeting in the annex about 6 weeks ago. Plenty of people heard. No spy.
10:25 You just busted someone's bubble. You know they had rather believe there was a spy. lol
Nevertheless, there IS a spy. Wasn't necessarily talking about the Holt situation.
8:01 Do you mean there is two spies, one at courthouse and one at the annex or one spy that goes from courthouse to annex?
If you work for the county you aren't allowed to tell anything you hear about county business.
If you work there don't you dare tell your spouse what happen, they could tell it and janet vanzant wouldn't like that.
12:41
I'm not sure if there's one or two. I've heard employees refer to at least one. I was told the spy reports what he can to the ones who like to cause tyrouble. Isn't that a shame if it's true?
If all county business is conducted legally and in the best interest for all citizens, why is there a need for secrecy?
per WKSR:
Time Change For Financial Management Committee Meeting
Posted on April 05, 2012
The Giles County Commissions Financial Management Committee was to meet Tuesday, April 17th at 9:30am. The meeting time has been changed due to a conflict. The new meeting time will be Tuesday, April 17th at 11am.
Committee members will be reviewing the Financial Management Office. If anyone has questions concerning the office, they may be sent to:
Tommy Campbell
P.O. Box 678
Pulaski Tenn., 38478
Question should be received by Friday, April 13th.
The meeting will take place in the Basement Board Room of the courthouse annex building and is open to the public.
12:51 are you really believing that there are one maybe two spies in the courthouse reporting to Vanzant.
I saw one person in the annex last week that looked like Tom Cruise he was dressed all in black and dangling from the ceiling over a computer keyboard. I thought I saw Angelina in her latex outfit but since I didn't see any tattoos I guess it was someone else, may have been Catwoman or even Batman.
I think it's time to have your medication re-evaluated.
MMC Student Says:
It truely warms my heart that most of you posting here are more concerned about spy's and less about how the Financial Management Office is managed and how our County Finances are spent.
I have sent my list of questions to Mr. Campbell and the Commissioners who represent my district.
2:03
No, they are not reporting to Mrs. Vanzant. They (or an individual) report to the troublemaker-in-chief.
So what. As someone said if everything is done above board and nothing wrong going on,"why the secrecy?"
This is so childish.
You are making it sound like Vanzant would sale the courthouse if someone wasn't spying and telling on her.
James, what's wrong with you, man? The next time you even think you see Angelina in the courthouse in a latex outfit, post it immediately. I think that's something I should check out. You know, for the good of the community.
Has the position been filled in the financial management office and if it has who did the job go to?
Call Mrs. Vanzant or Mrs. Garner. I'm sure either of these ladies can tell you. Thanks.
New Employee hired at Financial Office. Heard it wasn't Bill Holt's daughter. Watch Bill raise the roof over that!
9:51
Trying to get some trouble stirred up I see.
Yep and it worked didn't it 9:57!
10:33 Sure did, noticed how quick 9:57 got stirred up.
10:33
It's because of troublemakers that I continue to monitor and post on this blog. It's just sad that you guys just have to keep something stirred up.
Hey, I thought we were going to discuss bowel movements and irregularity at some point?
Proud Vet speaks out:
It must be conforting to know that 9:57 is lying in wait to jump on anyone who deviates from his (or her) pre-programed course and script. Now we all have to wait for 9:57 to invoke their "Christian" side to make their argument complete.
You know? I believe that 9:57 is the reincarnation of King George (cira 1750) who kept bitching about the malcontents across the ocean who "Kept trying to stir things up".
We did, we had to fight for the right to "stir things up" and we won.
8:05 (wab?)
As another proud vet and a Christian, I must respectfully say you are totally wrong about me. In fact, you know NOTHNG about my life and have no right to judge me. Thank God for that.
Oh, are you saying you believe in reincarnation? As a Christian, I would reject that idea.
Do you want to discuss bowel movements now or some other burning issue?
Finally, there's a big difference between what the colonists did and what you guys are trying to do.
10:58 Accusing WAB again?
When do you go to church?
1:43
Not that it's any of your business, but it could be that I was out of town this morning.
When do you go to church? Do you?
10:58
Please explain the difference. Since the founding fathers taught the people to question government how is it any different?
10:58 I know for a fact that 8:05 isn't WAB since I was in a conversation with him at the time 8:05 was posting. You really need to get some oxygen to your brain soon, you seem to be getting sicker and sicker.
10:32
Were you guys strategizing or talking about bowel movements?
What business would that be of yours, 11:02? Think!
How many deputies were at the meeting today?
Two deputies and both behaved
Good one, 2:33. What a waste of tax payer money.
7:22
Wrong. They are there because of the possibility that some troublemaker(s) might try to disrupt the meeting.
Did the huge story being gossiped about come out at the meeting?
Still not on the radio.
Makes anyone think someone was trying to cause trouble.
8:58
Why don't you ask the one who knows what the real story is? He knows.
10:04 Are you saying the story is about Barrett or someone in his family?
You seem to know the story so why don't you tell.
Anybody watch TV tonight and see where a funeral home burned in Columbia? That is a big story.
So sad.
Two deputies at the meeting and Campbell announced at the beginning he would not read any of Barrett's questions will somebody please tell be how this was not an act of plain prejudice? Wonder if Barrett had been there if Campbell would have pulled such a stunt? What is it about this man that causes others to act in such a way even when they aren't present.
Remember Haewell when he attacked Hudges at the chili cook out he brought Barrett into that by calling out his name and slandering him.
I thought campbell said he would read anybody's questions.
What would you call what he did?
I guess garner came out looking like a rose just like vanzant.
Did it come out if Harwell has a high school education or GED, and if any other positions with the county do not need to have these credentials?
Campbell said that he received questions from various sources and that some of the submited questions were not signed or identified the person who submitted the question. Campbell said that he would not entertain any question submitted without a signature, or identifying the person who submitted that question. There was no mention of Barrett.
11:28 (12:10 & 1:13)
Look, it was Tommy's prerogative to read whatever questions he felt important, and he probably didn't have time to read all of them.
I was thinking last night about some of the victims of you guys' mean-spirited attacks, and came up with a pretty good list of your victims. I will list them now.
Mrs. Vanzant
ALL 7th District Commissioners
Mrs. Garner
election commission staff
Carol Wade
Stoney Jackson
Barry Hyatt
Roy Griggs
Roger Strickland
Barry Whitt
former commissioner Lovell
These are just some that come to mind, but you get the picture. I'm sure there are others who have been deemed unfit, corrupt, or incompetent by you guys.
Ask yourself who among the troublemakers hates and resents elected officials the most. That should tell you a lot. It should open your eyes.
8:00 a.m.
And how many of those people were physically attacked on a public street by any one? Zero.
Nobody that I know of was attacked on a public street other than the Harwells. Verbal attacks are also included under the definition of attacks.
I watched a video of a man filming the chili cook off and then he was attacked by a commissioner of all people.
8:00 Don't you think the president and governor is unfit to hold office?
11:31
I also watched that video, and I see it a different way. Terry Harwell was minding his own business when his wife asked him to deal with the guy with the camera. Wouldn't you have been upset had she been your wife?
You sure seen it different I reckon cause you sure told that lie enough.
When ole Vicky said sic'em ole Terry jumped like a hungry dog after a bone. That's what he's good at when vicky or janet say jump he don't even ask how high he just start jumping like a puppet on a string. Guess he have to be that way cause without the string he would just fall in a heap cause he got no backbone.
6:55 AM
Can maybe understand if Campbell declined to read questions from unsigned letters but did he read ANYONE's questions? Did he really not mention Barrett? I thought Barrett was going to submit questions on behalf of folks who sent questions to him.
Mr. Campbell did read questions mailed to him and he did identify the senders. He did not mention Barrett and Barrett was not there. I have no clue as to whether or not Barrett submitted questions of his own or sent in by others.
12:12 vicky started it and terry jumped.
My wife wouldn't of acted like vicky did.
4:26 Thanks. My commissioner told me Barrett was mentioned at the beginning of the meeting but he did not say anything about him not being there. My commissioner said the meeting was taped, the newspaper man was there and so was a pile of commissioners. Can we expect a good newspaper report. Hope a lot of business was accomplished and lots of questions answered.
4:32
Wrong. Vicky was minding her OWN business when that guy came up with camcorder rolling and asking her a bunch of questions. When he wouldn't stop, she asked Terry to deal with him. That is what my wife WOULD have done.
As the newspaper reporter guy taped the meeting we can expect a accurate report. Probably in tomorrows paper.
I just finished listening to the audio recording of the meeting and was very surprised that not one question I had submitted was addressed. I know I had met the requirements and my name was clearly placed on the list of questions that had been compiled from those submitted from e-mails.
5:51 You mean your wife is helpless and has to have you to take care of everything?
vicky could of just ignored Hughes.
vicky and terry just lost her the election by not keeping their cool.
Was that not vicky that said "he's got you on video." She may have seen her mistake by asking terry to take over.
7:05
No, my wife isn't helpless, and you totally miss a simple point if that's what you think I meant.
Have you ever asked yourself where your hatred for Terry and Vicky Harwell originated? I think we both know the answer to that question. And it is especially true that the originator despises and resents Terry. And we both know why this man holds such jealousy and resenetment for Terry, don't we? I think the big thing this guy hates about Terry Harwell is the fact that he (Terry) did not lose his election.
I think what everyone hates about the Harwells is they are punk bullies living off the county.
8:29 Wrong, knew the Harwells before I ever heard of Barrett.
The meeting was a complete waste of time. I was unable to attend because I work but I did hear an audio recording. The only thing I got out of it was that Financial Management is not saving the county any money as promised by the folks who handed out the petitions. These are the same people who are promising that the Charter is the answer, which is exactly why I would not vote for it.
I can't see how the FM would save the county any money. All the new people they had to hire for it. I understood someone from all the other offices would move to the FM and there wouldn't of been new salaries except Garner's.
It may be watching what is being spent and holding some's feet to the fire but all the extra expense of the FM cost more money. Plus the extra expense for an office for the FM.
My opinion is the ones didn't want it was going to be sure it didn't work.
The big question is can it be done away with?
6:42
You are right. The same little group that pushed so hard for FM is the same one pushing the charter. That's a big reason why we do not need it.
I was one of those who actually worked to get the Financial Management Act of 1981 adopted for the county. On the referendum that was signed to get the measure on the ballot there was absolutely nothing about the Act saving money. There were discussions that included the money saving aspect of the Act and the referendum that sought to have the voters will overturned referred to savings.
The only problem with the Financial Management Act of 1981 is the way it was implemented. I warned at the time what was taking place but for the most part Commissioners and the public just ignored what was happening. Some who were the most opposed to the Act were placed on the committee, even now the chairman not only opposed the Act but helped pay for the opposition against it. Not one person on the committee was a supporter of the Act, at best only two members are lukewarm to it.
Could money have been saved absolutely, the Director was willing to take a salary of much less than $70,000.00, she would have received a considerable raise at $63,000.00 but the committee lead by Mrs. Vanzant demanded and got the much higher salary resulting in a loss to the county of about $10,000.00. The Act required that the bookkeepers and bill payers be moved from the separate departments along with their salaries into the central office. The reality is this requirement was violated or ignored with the support of the committee. In some instances the person was moved but their salary remained at the department they came from, what that means is that the department continued to be funded at the same level and a totally new salary was created. In at least one case an employee was given a $14,000.00 pay increase after it was announced that they would be moving to the Financial Management Office. This money was first described as a bonus, then as salary because she was getting her CPA, the CPA still hasn't been attained but the pay continues. This was done directly by a Committee Member. In some departments they promptly hired another person to fill that position even thought it was obsolete.
The primary benefit of this Act was to bring consolidation, accountability and transparency to the finances of the county. The state is currently considering a new Act based on this one to be implemented statewide.
The Financial Management Act of 1981 has done everything it was designed to do when implemented properly as in so many other counties, the problem in Giles County is it has been perverted and weakened into a chaotic mess of favoritism, dominated by weak leadership and lack of discipline.
wab
Don't you have some dishes to wash? LOL.
Hey, now there's an idea. You might could get a job washing dishes for Country Kitchen if you use an alias.
What was the point of 9:35? Any way WAB you made some very good points. Wasn't it Campbell that ran the advertisements or lies in the paper against the financial management act? Why is he the head of the financial management committee when he was so opposed to it? Maybe they put him there to help sabotage it so they could say WAB was wrong. Sort of seems like it. Why is some one like Terry Harwell reappointed to the Ethics Committee after his actions at the Chili cook-off? It does seem that the deck is always loaded against the citizens in Giles County.
When I read this thread and was assured Tommy Campbell would take the questions concerning financial management serious I knew it was a joke. And I was proven right. Thanks Tommy for securing the lack of faith I have in you for representing your district in a way that benefits the citizens as opposed to a couple of your buddies.
12:00
The point I was trying to make is that barrett really needs a job or something else to do with his time.
I noticed that you guys are after Tommy Campbell and Terry Harwell. When will you resume attacking Mrs. Coleman? After all, she too is a 7th District commissioner. Can you shed any lighht on that?
Are any of the statements false about Harwell or Campbell? Nope. In addition did it ever come out if Harwell even has a high school education or equivalent or was this something else swept under the rug by his buddy Campbell?
No one brought Coleman in to the conversation except you. Maybe you have something against her. Since you are only on here to criticize Barrett as opposed to discussing the topic maybe it is you who needs a job or a hobby other than stalking Barrett. Maybe you can get that job at Country Kitchen.
1:00
I figure Mrs. Coleman will be under the gun sooner or later. As I said, she's also a 7th District Commissioner. Thank God for Harwell, Coleman, and Campbell. May God bless each of them.
Are you saying she is doing something wrong 2:14? That is the only time I see an official come "under the gun" as you put it.
I can't help but think that most of these anonymous posts are made by Barrett now. The poster on another thread has really got me thinking. It all sounds like condescending stuff Barrett would say.
4:27
No, that is not what I said. I should have said that Mrs. Coleman will be the next one to be attacked by "you guys". After all, she is in 7th District.
WAB, I believe that some of those positions had to have someone had the old offices to do the non bookkeeping jobs that they performed. Most of the jobs that I know about did other things and duties at the old office. I do know that when I went into the courthouse that whoever asked me to sign the petition said, "Do you want to save the county money?" That is pretty much all that anyone I talked to thought that they were doing by voting for the act. It has been a farce! No money saved in fact the salaries at that office are higher than they were at the old offices. They get raises every year there and the old offices don't get raises. Apparently they get a lot more vacation time too since nobody ever seems to be in the office. I know one of them that has had 5 vacations this year so far.
If that is the case regarding the employees then the commissioners should not have allowed an extra position in the office and the salaries should reflect the time spent in office and skills to do the job. If the ones implementing the system are against the system no cuts will be made, inferior employees hired, and a lack of stern management to cut costs will effectively cause costs to rise. You can not blame a system that should work if implemented correctly with the proper consolidation of jobs, for specialization purposes, and consolidation of buying power and cross use of county owned facilities money should be saved under the act.
The system has worked very well in every other county it has been adopted. It was announced in the meeting that the state is about to adopt the same system for all the counties.
5:16 So you see Janet and some others didn't want it to work and it's not going to save the county any money.
9:43 I agree if they (anybody) in power don't want anything to work, they will see it don't work.
I do think way to much money has been spent on the FM. Can't it be done away with, go back like it was? If it was done away with would the people working at the FD be out of a job or put somewhere else? If given a job somewhere else no money saved there.
4:30
You made an excellent point when you asked if the FM could be done away with and things be like they were before. This is EXACTLY what people will be saying about the so-called charter if the voters of Giles County are foolish enough to vote it in. Should that happen, we will be stuck with it. And if Pulaski isn't a ghost town now, it soon will be thereafter if it passes. I will do my part to see it defeated.
I believe the strongest point to make against a charter is the group who is pushing it. That alone is reason enough to vote it down.
8:01 Who said it is successful in other counties? If you ask the county here or the FM office they say it is successful. If you ask the right question to the right people you will always get the answer you are looking for. Have ordinary people in other counties, just like we are, been asked about their FM offices?
5:46 is just a bigoted fool. Deciding something is good or bad based on who else thinks it's good or bad shows a complete lack of self discipline. Instead of reading and seeking information they just say it's bad because this person or that person is supporting it.
6:36 why don't you ask them?
MMC Student Asks April 20 at 5:46 AM
What in the proposed Charter will cause the City of Pulaski to become a goast town?
April 19 at 8:01 PM is correct in stating that there is a bill pending before the Tennessee House that will require all Tennessee Counties to adopt a Financial Management Plan in 2012/2013
6:30
Maybe we should elect commissioners that have backbone and use their power to control unruly employees that write in the newspaper they will break the rules regarding the use of money in accounts if it suits them. And get rid of the unqualified dead weight in the office and run a little leaner. If FM can not run with three qualified people maybe we have the wrong people in that office. I really should not say maybe as I know we have the wrong people in that office.
7:42
The people who are pushing this so-called charter are the same ones who constantly try to cause all the trouble and strife they can in Giles County. That's reason enough for me to work to see it defeated.
Your name-calling is noted...and typical of these people.
MMC Student Says:
I have read the proposed Charter and have re-read it in detail and I fail to see where this Charter is detremental to Giles County.
YES this Charter does demand:
1) Elected officials be accountable to the voters.
2) Elected officials have to have a minimum level of education
3) The County Budget must be zero based and cannot exceed anticipated incoming revenues
4) Government meetings must be held after 5PM and minutes taken then publically published.
5) County Commissioners and County Executive are allowed to hold office for 2 terms. They can sit out a term and then hold office for 2 terms, time and time again.
6) Details of all County spending must be published publically
7) There are no changes to the Constitutional offices of the elected officials that run them
8) There is no effect upon any municipality
I guess if I was an elected official that has been in office for most of my life and I have been doing what I want as I see fit; I would be against the Charter.
But I am a voter who has never been asked what I want and how I would like to see Giles County run. I have never been asked if I want a tax increase. I have never been asked how I would like to see my tax dollars spent. I have never neen openly asked to speak at any Government meeting. I have been told to sit still and keep my mouth shut.
Elected officials are to work for us, the voters, we do not work for them.
More Kool-Aid mmc?
Good post and well thought out MMC. Sorry the self proclaimed Christian Gentleman feels it necessary to do nothing except take cheap shots.
10:13
Talk about someone insisting on taking cheap shots; please go take a good look in your mirror.
Was it not indicative of a Kool-Aid drinker and one who takes cheap shots to say what mmc did about being told to sit still and keep the mouth shut? Oh, I fogot; it's only a cheaop shot when someone disagrees with you guys.
Just wondering if MMC Student has ever voted. Being a student was he even old enough to vote in the last election. This could have been why he was told to sit still and listen. Just wondering ...
MMC Student Says to CG who knows a lot more than the rest of us:
I am not only old enough to vote but have done so in the past nine Presential Elections. I own land in Giles and Lincoln Counties. I also have a couple of houses, barns, sheds and livestock.
Oppps!!!!
CG did you assume that I was a youngster just now geting my undergarduate degree??? I am working on my third undrgraduate degree because I enjoy knowledge and am willing to learn from others.
I am also a retired Army officer. Geee! I guess that makes me a whole lot older than you thought. Ya know? It just may be a possibility that you may be incorrect with other assumptions that you have made???
Just wondering.
MMC
While I applaud your military service, I'm disappointed that you thought I made the post at 1:06.
If I were you I wouldn't be so quick to make assumptions about others.
CG
Now CG is claiming that he did not post something. And no one believes CG because it has been proven to be a liar. What a hoot.
When news of a charter first came out I asked a friend in Michigan what the heck it was and what it meant. This person said their county had one for years and it worked alright.
I'm sure you will find counties that don't like it. A lot of people think if it's been done that way 200 years it's alright. If it's not broken don't try to fix it.
I noticed CG in 2:21 don't like it because mmc student made a guess that cg wrote a post. How many times has cg made a guess that WAB made a post? When he puts a time and (wab) isn't that a guess?
4:55
You just can't let this go, can you? I am a Christian and a gentleman, and you can't seem to stand it. Does your Bible not teach you that people can KNOW they are Christian, regardless of what scoffers might say? Have you ever heard the scripture that says we can make our calling and election sure? Whjat do you suppose that means, since you want to argue and belittle?
I did not post at 1:06, and YOU happen to be the liar for saying I lied. Laughable.
Do you have ANYTHING constructive you can be doing with your day, or do you prefer scheduling your computer time so that you can quibble with me over whether or not I am a Christian? Well, I am, so it would seem logical that you need to find someting else to do to occupy your time.
Ok, it's your turn again.
If I should vote for the charter number 5 will be the reason in 8:36's post. The time of day of meeting doesn't bother me as no matter what time there will be somebody working and can't go to it.
I would like to see the meetings taped and put on tv where anyone could see it. Not have to be present.
That way everyone there can't deny what happen. Well some would say it didn't happen, just look at the chili cook off video. Some say what I saw wasn't what happen.
4:55
I forgot to mention that you make me think I am dealing with someone with a 5th grade mentality here. Now THAT would be a hoot if it were not so pathetic.
5:26
Could this be wab posting anonymously again? I wonder.
You mentioned the old axioms that if it's not broke, don't fix it and it's been done that way for 200years. Well I have another one. We don't care how you did it up North. How do you like that one?
No, MMC accused me of making the post. There was no guessing to it.
Is your lack of understanding willful or due to a hard lick to the head or what? Either way, your posts make you to appear less than bright. Could it be the Kool-Aid? I wonder.
wab
I feel that I should at least apologize to you for my 5:44 comment that you could have been the one who posted at 5:26. I just allowed that guy's constant badgering to get the better of me.
You and I have had some serious words and disagreements in the past, but when I am wrong, I like to be man enough to admit it.
Girls!! Girls!!
I always enjoy the accurate and sensible posts made by MMC. Thanks for the list of benefits on the charter. I'd like to add to that citizens would be able to vote on ALL new taxes should the charter get voted in.
8:44
You are kidding, right?
8:57 Somebody not agree with you. lol
I dont care if someone agrees with me or not. What I posted is fact.
11:01
I made the post at 8:57 but not the one at 11:34. Thought I would share that before you try to get something started. Thank you.
CG
12:45 Glad to see you add a name so people will know when you post. You can see some will try to make others think you posted something you didn't.
I do find 11:34's post is silly, "what I posted is fact" Asking if someone is kidding is a fact. laughable.
1:38 Then are you disputing the proposed charter would give citizens the ability to vote on all new taxes?
2:32 Where did you get that idea from 1:38's post?
"Asking if someone's was kidding"
Sounds like you had something beside Kool-aid.
MMC Student Replies to 2:32
Yes there is a provision in the proposed Charter that any tax rate increase of an existing tax or any new tax (not perviously imposed) will rerquire a majority approval from the County citizens. Now before CG and his friends jump on me for stating this provision ... I say that I am in total favor of such a provision. It is about time that the County government be responsible and accountable to all citizens when it comes to spending our tax dollars.
If the County Executive and County Commission make an agrument that is lucid, factual and support a real need for a tax increase; I would vote to allow such an increase, as I would hope that all citizens would.
But, to allow 21 people to decide what 29,000 people must pay in taxes without a public debate is wrong. That is one of the major issues with our founding fathers when they proposed separation from England.
By the way the proposed Charter also allows our County Commission a lot more latitude in running this County without interferance from the State Legislature. And, the State Constitution does allow this.
The County Executive would be required to be a separate government function and not allowed to be the Chairperson of the Commission. The County Executive will have veto power over any regualation, ordance, resolution passed by the Commission. The Commission would have override authority with a 2/3 vote. This is called checks and balance.
I propose that anyone against these provisions then must be against how Tennessee and the US Governments are setup. This was established by our founding fathers for a purpose.
That purpose is to insure that no portion of our government has total and unchallanged authority over the general population.
School board meetings are at night and no one attends why would any more attend commission meetings?
Were any of the issues touched on about financial management office at the meeting? Is there a way I may listen to the recording of the meeting?
MMC
Yes, and when a needed tax increase is put to a vote, the citizens will reject it. What happens when services have to be cut because they are no longer funded. Can you see where that is going? Ghost town. We do NOT need a charter, and that is just one reason why I plan to campaign against it and pray that the voters of Giles County defeat it at the polls.
7:47 Give the citizens of this county credit enough to know the difference between a legitimate need and just 'wanting' something as has happened for so many years in government funding. The county budget needs to be cut and all these layabouts let go, including you.
The issues were danced around at FM meeting. As usual Loretta answer for things is "I don't know, I'll have to check." She apparently is clueless to what goes on in her own office that she is in charge of. When the petition was going around for FM the ladies at the courthouse that were urging people to sign it asked people, "Do you want to save the county money?" Bottom line is now that they are saying it was not supposed to save the county money. Same thing will happen with the charter. Don't trust these people!
I haven't decided about the Charter but I do know those who opposed the Financial management are and have done every thing to sabotage it and they also seem the ones that hold their self interests above the citizens. Look at the employees in the FM office and the Commissions complacency in controlling unruly employees, or allowing the hiring of unqualified workers.
I do not care what system you are running under, if there is not good qualified management and employees that are qualified then costs will go up.
For example there should not be a single employee in the financial management office that does not have at minimal a degree in finance or accounting. If you have departments that should have specialized employees then hire qualified, specialized employees as opposed to car salesmen and janitors.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
Why is it that the County is requesting bids for a new pickup truck for the EMA office? They have two new vehicles, a Dodge PU and a Ford Expedition? I guess that we have lots of money to spare in the current budget.
If the FM office consolidated services around the County; such as centralized purchasing of all office supplies, centralized masintenance and repair of all County vehicles there would be a savings.
Why is it that Marshall, Lincoln and Lawrence Counties spend less on insurance when they all have more to insure than Giles County?
I guess that Mr. Alsup (who has been providing unchallanged insurance to Giles County for decades) has given Giles County the best deal. If so, why does he not disclose what the insurance company is charging him? Why does not Giles County bid out the insurance? Whay does not Giles County deal directly with the underwirter rather than always going through Alsup?
It is obvious that Garner is a book keeper and not a financial planner. The FM Act is a good thing if you have a staff that knows how to plan and manage rather than saying OK to the County Executive??????
8:14 AM
The original Petition for FM was based on Accountability and transparency only. No promises were made regarding savings. The people gathering signatures are knowledgable enough to know any such statements would be out of their realm. The verbage on that petition and which was approved by the State Election office, reads:
"Pursuant to TCA 5-21-126 we, the undersigned registered qualified voters of Giles County, TN, are in favor of the County Financial Management System of 1981and hereby request that an election be held in the county on this subject."
The petition headed by former commissioner Edwin Lovell reads:
"For the purpose of saving the taxpayers of Giles County, TN several thousand dollars for the creation of a new office in local government and, in accordance with TCA 5-21-129, we the undersigned registered voters of Giles County petition the Giles County Commission and/or the Giles County Election Commission to place upon the ballot for the next county-wide general or special election a resolution repealing the adoption of the County Financial Management Act of 1981."
The 2nd petition does not appear to have been approved by the State Election office but that could be answered by our local election office.
Mr. Lovell and several other leaders or former leaders of Giles county were involved in the 2nd petition. Those are the people who should be asked about any savings and how they planned those savings.
Additionally, Mr. Lovell and colleagues failed to file a financial disclosure which is required whenever anyone advertises supporting a referendum. The disclosure is public information. It was finally given to the local election office months later after several attempts to secure same. The disclosure is not in detail but is presented in one large lump sum. Don't believe that is acceptable as everyone contributing against the referendum should be listed along with their amount, but it was not worth pursuing further.
10:55
You just can't let this go, can you?
Do you even understand why you are so full of hatred and jealousy? You really ought to stop following a troublemaker and start thinking for yourself. Stop following and start thinking.
I will do whatever I can to help get this charter thing defeated. By the same token, you should vote your conscience a`s I plan to do. You call me a liar and a whiner. I was wondering; do you have an issue you want to discuss besides me? you mentioned once before that you were through with me and yet, you continue the attacks. Now exactly who is the real liar? Hint: Go look in your mirror.
YO 1:34
How about providing a specific reason why you are so against the proposed Charter? I do not hate you nor am I jealous of you; actually I pitty you....GOD knows I have no desire to be anything such as you.
Now and again .... Please provide specific reasons why you are against the Charter provisions and I am speaking about the document itself. I realize that you hate the people who got the Charter Commission placed upon the last election ballet and that you hate the voters who voted the Charter Commission into existance (by the way there were over 3,500 votes for the Charter Commission).
So now specifically which provisions of the proposed Charter are you against?
1:34 You should have gotten the message by now that no one wants to ever discuss anything with you.
You give me credit once again for another post. I have never stated I was through with any one. That was your spat with another. I simply post how I feel and as long as you feel you will not let any one get away with any thing on this blog, which seems to be questioning certain government officials and employee's action and abuse of powers, I will continue to not allow you to get away with any thing.
You state I follow Barrett but I see the flaws of a charter. Look at the city of Pulaski as it runs on a charter. But with the abuses I see in our local government I do not see any disadvantages of the Charter with the exception of education requirements for elected officials. I feel the informally educated as well as the formally educated need to represent the citizens as the body of citizens are comprised of both and have different views and experiences vital in governing effectively and representing all. I do think that when committees are formed they need to be represented by appropriate people. For example if a person has not graduated high school do not place them on any committee dealing with the schools and education system.
Although your campaigning against the charter is alone a solid reason to support the charter, unlike you I will not make my decision based on who is supporting it or not. I make my decisions based on what I believe to be best for all instead of the few who believe themselves to be privileged.
With regards to hiring employees I think that education and skills are the key factors that should be considered in the hiring process and not best fit buddy/nepotism system.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
2:09
That's fine. I'll be your huckleberry. You guys thought you could just get on this blog and trash anyone of your choosing without rebuttal. Well that's not how free speech works, so get used to it. But you guys have always been intolerant of views that are not aligned with yours. That's unfortunate.
Yes, I will campaign against the charter and feel confident that we can defeat it. I've talked to a lot of people on this issue and they always seem to ask who is behind this. That is our strongest point to make for voting against it. Seeing this thing defeated before it's too late to reverse it is what I truly consider to be in the best interests of Giles County and its citizens.
As Ronald Reagan said 'There you go again'. Who do you consider the privileged? Are you talking about those individuals who were duly elected to office by the people? What a jealous and resentful thing to believe. I'll bet you don't even know who influenced you to think like that.
There you go again whining about the hiring practices employers use. I would suggest that you do a little research on "best fit" policy and think about it. Just because a total introvert has the highest degree but no people skills would not be the one I would hire for a high-pressure sales job. No, I'd rather have a high schhol graduate who was outgoing and friendly than someone who doesn't know how to relate to others.
I wish you had written one thing worth addressing with exception to elected officials are not privileged beyond the laws and should be held accountable by the citizens and their peers when there is a violation of rules and regulations.
However I think your post helps to support a charter and if you are a county employee or elected official many will see the attitude that tax payer dollars are funding. I see nothing other than an advertisement of a continued good ole boy system and a waste of tax payer money.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
12:10 If someone has a petition in their hands sitting in the courthouse rotunda and says: "Would you like to save the county money?", they are implying that the FM will save the county money. Don't tell me that those people were knowledgeble enough to know anything because I know what they said, they said it to me and many others. Maybe they had no right to say it but they did! I assure you that it came out of their mouths, right or wrong.
The city of Pulaski is under the charter. Well that should prove how well it will do. Do you think that there will be any more control over Van Zandt than there has been over Speer?
3:36
Well, here you are spewing your venom again. Good ole boy and waste of taxpayer money? You sound just like the county's chief troublemaker. Oh, but you think for yourself, right? Right! Laughable.
I'm neither a county employee nor an elected official, and I stand TOTALLY AGAINST the charter. We'll see how it all plays out. We plan to defeat it.
5:04
You are absoluteloy correct in that people in general did NOT have a clue what they were signing. And most of the ones who were soliciting signatures were members of the same little group of unhappy people who have been causing trouble here for years. It's pathetic.
I was in the court house several times when people were setting in there with the charter. No one e er asked me if I wanted to sign it.
I ignored them and went about my business. I never voted for or against it and not sure what I will do next time.
What I don't like about this blog is that someone that has no idea who made a post accuses people of making post they didn't make and they think Barrett made everyone not like the county officials or they are jealous about something.
Can't you disagree without popping off about something you really don't know?
I heard someone say the other day something against two elected people, they then said but Barrett don't like them, so I was told to keep my mouth shut.
5:06
The city of Pulaski is under A charter which is totally different than the one written for the county.
5:25
Then I guess its their word against yours. Know which I would trust!
What little group causing trouble for years are you talking about and what kind of trouble?
But a charter gives the county commissioners the ability to pass laws like the Pulaski city council. Do we want speed bumps on county roads because of ordinances? I do not trust the commissioners to make laws for the betterment of the community.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
8:24
Wrong. The Christian gentleman is not a liar and a whiner.
Ok, your turn. Let's play this game to the max.
How can a person listen to the audio from the meeting?
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
8:14
Wrong. The Christian gentleman is not a liar and a whiner.
Your turn.
You are right 9:09 a Christian Gentleman is neither a liar or a whiner however you are both. I have proven that on a a number of occasions and you continue to add to the evidence. You accuse everyone else much like your mental twin in the white house and refuse to take responsibility for anything. You are a child with an incredibly limited intellect trying to convince everyone else how knowledgeable you are but the fact remains you can not discuss a single issue with any intellectual quality. Just because you say a thing don't make it so and to date you have not given one single fact to support anything you have said on this blog. People have tried to help you but you are just too satisfied being ignorant.
barrett
Why do you insist on promoting the lie you told that I enable wrongdoings? I think you just had to take a cheap shot at me simply because I don't see eye-to-eye with your so-called "truths". Well, you didn't realize how badly I would take issue with you for that. You couldn't accept my "proof", and so you keep on with this lie. It's making you look bad.
Don't lecture me on my intellectual abilities. And how dare you in all your arrogance to attempt condescending in your usual way. Oh, and you and your people need not bother trying to help me. You need to help yourself and then set the proper example to those who seemingly follow you blindly.. Repentenmce would be helpful I think.
Here's a question for you. You once stated that you retired from preaching. Did you also retire from being a Christian? Just asking.
Just saying something is no proof of anything. Since all anyone has to go by on this blog is post. The way people post says it all.
You're right 12:16, 12:04 says he's not a enabler just because he says he's a Christian Gentleman. What sense does it make for a person who won't even sign their name to say they are one thing or another and the only reason they give for believing it is because they said it. That person sure thinks high of theirself to think everbody ought to believe everything they say just because they say it.
1:32
Did you believe the lie allen abrrett told just because he said it. He lied. Wrap your mind around that, and let's move on. Ok?
God didn't sign HIS name to the ten commandments either. What would have happened had the children of Israel called Moses a liar?
Did CG just compare himself and his claims to Moses and the ten commandments and we are the children of Israel? Oh deliver us from our bondage great CG.LOL I have read it all now.
Sincerely CG lies & whines.
You defended Terry Harwell when he physically attacked a private citizen
even after you saw it on youtube. You defended Garner when she dipped into the hospital funds even after she made a public acknowledgement you continued to defend her. You defended Vanzant when she lied on a number of ocassions. If you are a Christian or not ain't for me to say but being a Christian don't prevent you from enabling wrong doing when it benefits you.
As for your comment about being Moses that isn't the statement of a Christian but a psychotic. Oh, by the way God did identify Himself when giving the law to Moses, you should try try reading the Bible instead of using it as a club.
3:05 (3:34)
Wrong. I never compared myself to Moses. Are you insane?
Right. You bet I defended Terry Harwell, because he was defending his wife from a private citizen. Perhaps Terry didn't do exactly as he should have in handling the situation, but he was acting as most males would in defense of their wives. I think he lost his temper, but most men would.
Wrong. If Mrs. Vanzant lied, I do not know that for a fact. I wouldn't defend anyone who tells lies. Why do YOU defend the one who told the lie on me that I willfully support wrongdoings? Can you see the hypocrisy?
Wrong. i believe being a Christian DOES prevent one from willfully supporting wrong. Granted, we all sin every day, but Christians should not be involved in wrongdoings. Neither should a true Chritian be involved in troublemaking and telling lies.
Right. God did identify himself to Moses when he was giving the Ten Commandments, but he didn't sign his name. You seemed to make an issue of signatures, and I was merely giving an example. I'm sure you just missed that.
Wrong. The Christian gentleman is not a liar and a whiner.
Ok; your turn again.
4:20 the Christian gentleman, the enabler, the anonymous, the fool on the hill or what ever else you call yourself.
You wrote this, "i believe being a Christian DOES prevent one from willfully supporting wrong. Granted, we all sin every day".
This is one of the dumbest things you put on here lately, to say being a Christian prevents one from willfully supporting wrong but Christians sin every day.
Would you please define what sin is since you obviously believe it's not doing wrong.
Boy what a character.
6:54
Yes, I am a Christian gentleman. I initially said that about myself because of the lie allen barrett told on me that I willfully go along with wrongdoings. It was a lie then, and it remains as such today. Referring to myself as a Christian was the only "proof" I could think of when he DEMANDED evidence that I don't willingly go along with wrongdoings. He proceeded to judge that I was lying (can you see the irony and hypocrisy?), and his one or two cohorts on this blog chimed right in to promote this strife. I had to call myself the gentleman that I am because his buddies kept calling me a girl.
Look, EVERYONE sins and falls short of the glory of God, but grace continues to cover us as we ask forgiveness. However, willfully taking part in or going along with something we know is wrong would be a mockery to God. For example, how could a Christian be a part of robbing people's homes or knowingly receiving and/or peddling stolen merchandise? Does he or she go on robbing and stealing and continue to call himself a Christian? SHOULDN'T! Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? No! Sadly some do, but that doesn't make it right. Remember that Christ told the harlot to 'go and sin no more'. We are all guilty of both overt and secret sins for which we need God's forgiveness, and we strive to not commit those sins again. But we do. Sins such as a spoken word in anger, a bad thought about someone, listening to a colorful joke, or even a slip of the tongue are sins most of us commit from time to time. But that doesn't mean we are participating in bank robberies, stealing as a way of life, etc. You are talking about two entirely different concepts there. I think you know that.
Go ask barrett. Will you scoff at him if he agrees with me? Of course not.
In closing just allow me to say this. You can call me names and laugh at me til the cows come home, but it changes nothing. I'm just thankful that those like you will not be my judge.
I just finished reading today's post and wondering if anyone worked today beside me.
To 7:44
You just don't get it still. Your problem has nothing to do with you being a Christian or even disagreeing with anyone. No one I have seen has made fun of you or criticized you for being a Christian only for trying to use your Christian status to justify wrong behaviors. You claim I lied when I referred to you as an enabler of wrongdoing yet you have provided not a single reason yjay shows i lied. Sorry but just because you say you are a christian is not a legitimate evidence that you don't do or enable wrong, you have even posted that Christians are still capable and do wrong. I on the other hand have posted a long list of wrongdoing you have supported or refused to criticize as being wrong. While proclaiming the superior quality of your Christian status you have posted gossip, lies and simply made up stuff and evn now you have not offered one single piece of evidence to support anything that you have claimed.
By the way I have demanded nothing from you, I have however challenged you to back up your charges to which you have yet to show any proof whatsoever.
The sin of omission is all about the things that we don't do while knowing we should do it. Defending those who do wrong, while you may not have done the wrong, you are no less guilty. It like the driver in a bank robbery who sits in the car while their partners stick guns in the tellers faces and yakes the money. The driver isn't charged with driving but with robbing the bank even though they never actually entered the bank, You are like the driver not actually committing the crime but helping the robber get away without being punished.
In another post you asked if since I retired from preaching did I retire from being a Christian. That statement show how very little understanding you have of what a preacher actually does. Trust me or ask your own pastor, preaching is not just a Sunday job. I will never cease being a Christ follower as I will not give back His gift of salvation but there comes a time when you just can't do all you once did.
Mr. Barrett, in defense of CG, some things cannot be proved. There are things that I have argued with you about that I saw with my eyes and you argued with me about. That is my word against yours. For instance, the ladiest saying "Do you want to save the county money?", when the petition is mentioned. I heard it more than once and know other people who were told the same thing. I know I heard you say I did not because the ladies were too knowledgeable. I know the petition itself said accountablilty but that is not what came out of the mouth of the ladies. Of course people signed it because they wanted to save money. It was a false statement. Do I have proof no and neither do you. My word (which is true) against yours.
Sorry 6:41 but you have two totally different things you are trying to discuss. The comments by the commissioner at the Financial Management Committee were as stated "the petition said we would save money". The petition submitted by those I worded with did not say any such thing, The petition circulated by Mr Lovell stated the money savings claim.
At no time did you hear me say or read anything I wrote that denied the Act would save money.
Let me make it very clear the only reason the Act has not produced more savings is because of the incompetent manner in which it was implemented. Had the Financial; Management Act of 1981 been implemented without the desire to subvert, by those who fought the hardest against it, the savings to the count would be very similar to that of every other county that has adopted the Act.
Just consider the salaries $14,000.00 could have been saved with just one person had gthey not been given that much of a pay increase just days prior to the transfer. Sending an employee to Financial Management, as required by law, but then replacing that person and keeping their salary added immensely to the costs. Hiring a friend instead the far more competent applicant and increasing their salary beyond their request added to the cost.
So the bottom line is simple the petition that was approved by the voters stated nothing, as required by state law, about potential savings to the county. Large savings would have been realized except for the way the Act was implemented.
brrett
Look, the only reason I ever started referring to myself as a Christian is because YOU told the lie on me that I willfully go along with and support wrongdoings. That's right...you told a lie. You DEMANDED proof that I am not an enabler, and I gave it to you. It wasn't acceptable, so you judged me to be not only a supporter of wrongdoing but also a liar. The irony of it all is that it was YOU who told that lie, and it was YOU who got all this mess started. Accept that.
And YES, your buddies have criticized me sharply for my claim to be a follower of Christ. Aren't they judging the thoughts and intents of my heart? Isn't that something you have accused others of doing to you? That being said, can you not see just a tiny bit of hypocrisy there?
You may go on and on accusing me of going along with wrongdoings if you must, but rest assured that I will point out that you are lying and trying to stir up mischief as long as you do. You might as well let it go or censor me.
As for sins, there are both those of ommission and commission. Both are forgiveable under grace, but I don't think that applies to those who continue in sin expecting grace to give them a license to keep doing or supporting wrong. To knowingly go along with wrongdoings is just as bad as those who deliberately tell lies on others and spend much of their time in mischief and troublemaking. I wish you could see that.
Please don't bother lecturing me on the many things preachers do. We have one of the most sincere and energetic preachers I have ever known. In my estimation, he exemplifies what Christianity is all about. If he were out causing trouble, calling people names, and telling lies on others, I would find another place to worship. Think about that.
6:41
You are absolutely right. It was misleading, and I just have to wonder where those ladies got the idea to ask people if they wanted to save money. Who among us would shrug our shoulders and say no to a question like that?
Giles County voters need to be made aware of such trickery and urged to vote against this charter thing when it comes up. Those who were asking that question knew exactly what they were doing. Taxpayers who signed the petition based on that question should be outraged.
It didn't saved money did it?
I agree with Barrett on those that didn't want it made sure it didn't work. They must want Giles County to go broke.
Don't think they want the county to go broke just keep it under their control. A new tax increase and wheel tax will give them the money to keep that control. only the charter will stop the abuse of taxpayers.
Sure seems weird that a couple of ol;d ladies could blind everybody about the finance thing and make them vote for it but them same voters was smart enough to vote the right people into office. Dumbest and smartest all in the same people, my my.
9:19
I disagree. If this charter thing passes and the county needs to raise taxes, it's not going to happen, because people will not vote themselves more taxes, particularly in the present economy. When a referendum on a tax fails, the only option is to cut services. How would you pro-charter folks like that? When that happens, I'm afraid Pulaski will become more or less a ghost town.
The people who are pushing this thing deny that state funds would be cut out in some areas and reduced in others. Then what?
I pledge to work hard to see this thing go down in flames of defeat. And I am by no means alone in this.
Oh, and these guys will call me names for this post. I'm fairly sure of that.
10:51 Please post the law that says the state will cut funds if a county adopts a charter.
Does anyone know where the latest petition is located?
Do we have a private ambulance service in Pulaski?
Does one of the nursing home not call Moore ambulance service from Lawrence county when needed?
So let's not use that as one of the scares. Yes it will take longer for Lawrence county to get here, but what about Minor Hill, they don't have an ambulance service so it takes longer for an ambulance to get there from Pulaski now, than it does for anyone in Lynville.
The people voted to increase the sales tax just a few years ago so it's disingenuous to say they would never vote for a tax increase. The problem is presently they have no say in whether the taxes are raised. We have watched over five million reserves be blown in the past four years. If there is a legitimate reason for an increase from a government that is trusted people will support it.
The idea that the state will cut off or alter funding if a charter is adopted has been disproved so much that to continue saying such a thing is nothing but spreading a lie. the state has no authority or desire to cut funding because a county adopts a chapter.
The charter would have no authority over Pulaski or any other city in the county. Pulaski is already drying up but that's by design not by charter.
The problem isn't with the taxes as much as with the spending. The county has no plan for investments, they have no plan for future growth or development, theyu have no plan for anything when you get right down to it they just react. waiting for a problem to develop then trying to deal with it is far more costly than planning for different situations and being prepared for it. Example, you know based on past purchases that the county will use a hundred cases of paper but instead of buying a hundred cases of paper and distributing it they tell each department to go buy some when you want it. Another example is waiting till the last minute to start preparing contracts for insurance bidding, you know that's coming up in three years start now with a plan to include as many bidders as possible instead of one or two from the same companies.
A charter will give the people a greater voice in the behavior of the county.
The charter must pass in order to prevent the county from becoming a "retirement" community where no one under sixty can live.
wab
I have a very different opinion of the charter. We must see it defeated if we don't want our city to become a ghost town. And no; the idea that state funds can be cut or reduced HAS NOT been proven at all. That's going to be one of our strong suites against this thing.
In theory, a charter might give people more voice in government, but it can also give them more power than they ought to have. When its either vote a needed tax increase or see services stopped, it is my strong belief that people will vote against the tax referendum. Why? It's because people don't like new taxes even if they are needed. And most voters would say NO to the increase, not really believing that services will be cut out. Then it's too late.
Oh, this charter thing could very well mess our county up big time and for a long time. Join me in helping to see it defeated. I'm sure you will.
WOW! You just blew it making the statement people can be given too much power. What arrogance! Isn't that what government is all about? Power to the people?
As to you and your cohorts basing your opposition of the charter on the state cutting funds, YOU HAD SURE BETTER BE READY WITH YOUR LAWS TO SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT.
2:51
Wrong. I KNEW someone like YOU would pick up on that and try to make it an issue. The point I was actually making is somewhat like zealous parents who hand their newly-licensed sixteen year old the keys to a high performance car. That young driver lacks the experience and maturity to make the best decisions with that car. You guys are constantly implying that people around here are dumb as rocks. Why then would you trust them with the county's revenue needs? How is that any different than handing the keys to a high performance car to that sixteen year old? Please answer that for me. HILARIOUS.
Of course government is all about power to the people. Are we going to argue that point too since we both agree? Or would you rather discuss my Christian belief system, the books I read, or bowel movements?
No, among other things, we base our opposition to the charter mainly on those like you who are pushing it. The state's cutting funds is just one of them.
Sweetie
I am NOT interested in your christianity or lack thereof. I am NOT interested in the books you read nor am I interested in your bathroom habits. Your vulgar response was out of order, especially for a "christian".
On the contrary, its YOU who often gives no credit to Giles county citizens for having much intelligence while the opposite has been true of most of us who always defends the non-heeled working ones.
When will you be giving the law that says if we have a charter we will lose state funding. Ifzero base your opposition on that premise you will have a weak arguement.
4:46
There you go again with the gender confusion thing again. I happen to be a Christian gentleman. I'm not the one who introduced the possibility of discussing bowel movements. I was just asking if that was a topic you wanted to discuss at this point. By the way, bowel movements is not a vulgar concept. It's people who define it in other ways who make it vulgar.
No, I'm on record as saying that Giles County voters are much more intelligent than you guys gave them credit for being. After all, most of the candidates of your
choice were defeated. Thank God.
What law? Is there one? If so, please enlighten me.
As you and the rest of us know there is no law that says state funds to Giles county will be cut if we adopt a charter.
As for your bathroom habits, in my opinion suggest someone would want to discuss such with you is vulgar and out of order SWEETIE, O christian one my ass.
4:55 Ever heard of a man calling a man sweetie or even a woman calling a man sweetie? Sorry I don't see the gender in that post.
5:38 (7:11)
That's right; I am a Christian, and you can make fun of me for that all you wish, but nothing changes. Thank God those like you and barrett will never be my judge.
I know of no specific law that would say funds can be cut or reduced. Do you? Oh, and just because there's no LAW doesn't mean those funds can't be affected. You know that, and so do I.
When did I mention my own bathrooming habits? I didn't. The opther day, one of you guys brought up the topic of bowel movem,ents. I simply asked if you wanted to discuss them at this point. Never said a word about my own toileting habits. But you did. You seem to be the one who wants to make something vulgar out of something that's not.
Now, as for a man calling another man sweetie, why don't you go up town tomorrow morning and try that for a while if you are also a male? Go ahead. Just let me know where you will be trying out those "new wings" so I can be there to watch how pleasantly you will be received.
Have a good evening.
Your turn I suppose.
7:40 I posted 7:11, not the other one. You didn't say you didn't want a man or woman calling you sweetie, you said 4:46 had the wrong gender and I didn't see that.
You need to cool off and enjoy life.
Will you please tell me why you haven't objected the vulgar used on another post?
9:30
Of course I object to some of the vulgarities that appear on the blog. Some are deleted while others are allowed to remain posted. I don't understand that, but I am not the one who makes the call. I always object and have even asked barrett a time or two to remove such mess from the blog.
Cool off and enjoy life? I am in love with life and see each new day as a gift neither you nor I deserve.
The sweet Christian gentleman is full of fecal matter, now that should cover the topice he requested.
The state offices that grade all the applications for grants and loans has stated, it was read in a commission meeting by Coms. Wilburn last year, that having a charter has no impact either for or against approval. A charter does not add or subtract points from a grant request. To say it does with so much proof against it is just a plain old lie.
One other thing is this guy in in denial he brought up the topics of his religion, reading and toilet habits then denied anything to do with it. Maybe the topics were brought up in previous comments but thios time nothing had been said about them until the fool said it hisself.
Thanks 8:15 for reminding us about Mr. Wilburn's reading to the Board of Commissioners re no loss of state funding.
One thing I would like to know - someone has previously posted that two older ladies had brought the financial management chance to our county. Are you telling me two old dears outfoxed all these politicians and bigwigs? Is that true? Now thats HILARIOUS.
8:15
I call myself a Christin gentleman because allen barrett told a low-down lie on me that I willfully go along with wrongdoings. True Christians do not do that kind of thing anymore than one who professes to be a Christian would be running around stirring up trouble, telling lies, etc. You keep briinging this up, and I will nail you every single time you do.
Now, as for the charter, again I must say it's people like YOU who will make me work even harder to see it defeated. Why do we need it? Why does your little group who NEVER meets push it so hard? I believe it's because of nothng more than hatred and jealousy for those who are, in my estimation, doing the best they can in running our county. You guys just never give them a break. Then you wonder why you are so despised.
I'm in denial? Hardly so. It was most likely YOU who first brought up bowel movements. I simply asked you the other day if you now wanted to discuss that topic, the books I read, etc. How foolish can you be?
Ok, it's your turn again.
8:15
My offer still stands. Let this go, and I will do the same. But we both know you just can't do that, can you?
Wasn't it you who told me you were through with me anyhow?
That must have been your wife that told you she was through with you cause it wasn't me dumbo.
You brought up your toilet habits and your religion so don't try to slime out you coward.
You can't discuss anything that don't include your hatred for Barrett and how stupid can you get by saying your little group that never meets how can they be a group if they never meet. Heck I'd like to join that group but you're to cowardly to tell who they are.
9:43, 9:55 and 12:34
I fanilly figured it out .... you fellows do contribute a great deal to society. It has now been anounced that Tennessee is the next to most violent State in this Union. Louisanna was the worst
Thanks
12:34
My offer still stands. Stop attacking, and I will stop defending myself. I only called myself a Christian because barrett told a lie on me. That's right...he told a lie. You keep bringing this up, and I will keep on continue to defend myself.
No, it was one of you guys who brought up the issue of bowel movements. Please stop lying. All you have to do is find it on one of these threads.
The little group? You know very well who they are. Most folks around town know this. Sadly, most of them are Republicans, which makes me want to vomit.
My relationship with my wife is none of your business. However, I will tell you this. I love her very much and am convinced that she loves me. Our promise is to stay together until death takes one of us. How about that?
It's your turn to be nasty again. Go aherad.
Lie ... Lie.. Lie...Lying on me
Everyone is against me... They Lie .... They Lie on me
Poor ... Poor.. Pitiful Me
Please stop lying and I will stop making a fool of myself.
Laughing Out Loud
8:41
How sad and lonely your life must be that you just CAN't stop your foolishness. It just occurred to me that you need me here to validate your life, and that's pathetic. While you're laughing out loud, please allow me to suggest that you pity someone besdies me. I'm quite happy and content.
Ok, I suppose you will need to respond, so go ahead.
When 6:05 says "allow me to suggest that you pity someone besides me" he clearly accepts the pity offered to him and he wants to share it with others, Being the center of attention surely is of such great importance that he will even use pity as a means of staying in the spotlight. What a pity to have so little self respect.
3:29 pm
Such bigotry. You even detest people (enough to vomit) if they are Republicans.
7:16 Wrong. How can you read such a simple statement and misunderstand it? The only conclusion I can come up with is that you choose to do so. I don't want or need any pity from you guys, and I certainly don't want to be the center of attention.
Oh, wait. it just occurred to me that you are angry because you feel threatned that you guys won't be the center of attention. That's pretty sick, you know.
10:17
Exactly where did I say that I detest people...even Republicans? I didn't, so why are you trying to stir up trouble?
Granted, I used to align myself with the Republican party, but from what I see of them around here, I want nothing to do with them anymore. That is NOT to say that I detest anyone. Please get it straight.
Could people on here please grow up and talk about the real issues? I believe this was supposed to be comments for the situation at Elkton school. So how about you discuss that! The problem is the new principle is cracking down and taking away a lot of the teachers freedoms. They have to run everything by him. Also he is more focused on attendance than the actual students. He does not know any of them personally or try to. He is trying to change it from the comfortable laid back country school it once was to a well run school by taking all the fun out of it. Understandable on some things. Anyone who went to Elkton could probably say its one there best memories it was laid back and fun before going to that awful high school.
2:56 If you didn't post this: "Sadly, most of them are Republicans, which makes me want to vomit." Why are you taking credit for it. Oh you didn't use the word detest in your statement so that clears you. What a joke.
4:53 Is the principal the one that wouldn't let WAB speak at a school board meeting and that started a lot of trouble.
6:40
Look, I'll say this again. I never said I detest anyone. I intensely dislike what these so-called Republicans are doing and especially these around the county who are causing so much trouble. They make me sick. What often happens when one gets sick? Vomit.
Please tell me you have something more to talk about.
I think your apparent lack of understanding is the bigger joke.
6:40 pm
Yes. Michael Gonzolas.
a Every one is suppose to be mind reader to understand what cg says. For me I understand a Republican makes cg want to vomit and everyone that don't agree with him is a Republican.
God help us if a Republican don't win this next president election
7:59
FINALLY...something you and I can agree on. Our country is in great trouble if the food stamp president gets re-elected.
What I said is this little band of troublemakers are mostly (if not all) Republicans, and they make me want to vomit. That is by no means an indictment of ALL Republicans. Now, do you still not understand what I said, or do you just want to continue being quarrelsome?
Your turn.
8:05 Looks like you are the one wants to be quarrelsome. Why can't you all drop it and act like Christian adults?
I have no idea what anyone's political views are. They have a right to theirs and me to mine.
10:33
If you've been reading this blog very long, you will know that I have asked the attacks and smart remarks stop.
I read in the paper some Commissioners aren't happy with the way Mrs. Garner did. Maybe some are watching out for the tax payers.
I am a person who just was able to buy my own home:
The county has gotten itself into a bind in that they have over spent for over seven years.
The only way they can balance the new budget is to increase the property tax rate and/or impose a wheel tax; neither requires tax payer permission. Al they have to do is pass a resolution in the County Commission meeting.
we get screwed while they get paid.
The people need more say in what is going on.
6:26
Well, do you think the commissioners would be exempt from paying the same taxes you do? Not hardly.
9:04 You want attacks to stop, what do you call how you just posted to 6:26?
You don't like the president or the governor, must be something they do you don't like. Anyone in public office is going to be attacked. So deal with it.
10:42
Wrong again. I wasn't attacking anyone. I asked 6:26 a valid question. Commissioners are also subject to whatever the tax is. Could you explain to me why they would appropriate more taxes, knowing they have to pay them as well?
No, I don't like the president and I certianly dilkike Haslam. He, along with other Republicans (particularly in Giles County) have made me ashamed of the GOP. I want NOTHING to do with people who act as they do. And though I have become an independent, I WILL campaign and vote against the likes of Haslam, Obama, Somerville, and others who need to be out of office. I realize that Somerville is not in our district anymore. Thought I would acknowledge that before you accuse me of being uninformed or some other colorful description.
Its common knowledge whenever there is a reappraisal several commissioners go to the tax assessor and dispute their appraisal with favorable results.
If they want to get voted out next time around people will remember a tax increase or wheel tax.
All the more reason we need to vote FOR the charter then the average Joe gets to vote on ALL new taxes.
I will campaign against one of the commissioner in my district next time he runs.
That will be like with the president and governor if our campaign still looses our vote we will be stuck with them for a few years. Then there will be nothing we can do about it. So sad.
You make it look like taxes are being raised everytime we turn around. That's just not true.
Do you honestly think that the average Joe will vote himself a tax increase when one is needed, especially given how much hatred and distrust have been sown in this county toward our elected officials? Do you really believe that?
When proposed tax increases are voted down again and again by average Joe, you will see services reduced or cut out altogether as the tax revenues fall. Then what? Could you answer that? NO, we do NOT need this so-called charter a small group of unhappy people are pushing.
Our message to the average Joe is going to be the things just outlined avove. Like Haslam and Obama, this thing must be defeated. Once it goes in, that is what we will be stuck with. Let's not let that happen.
In regards to your statement "Do you honestly think that the average Joe will vote himself a tax increase when one is needed, especially given ?"
The citizens of Pulaski voted for a sales tax increase to fix Sam Davis Park where the mayor and city council had failed to maintain the structures in the park over the years. So yes citizens do vote themselves tax increases even when better administration could have avoided the tax increase. The elitist attitude taken that the "average Joe" does not have enough sense to distinguish between needed tax increases and wasteful spending by our government. While the economy is in the state it is in I for one think that while bonuses and pay increases are being dispensed by the county there should be no tax increases.
Per "how much hatred and distrust have been sown in this county toward our elected officials" is all on our elected officials. It has been shown with documented facts that our current commission is not trustworthy or fiscally responsible.
I am starting to favor a charter because of what I continue to see in our government. For example when the financial management office has four employees, including under-educated, best fit employees, instead of three properly educated and skilled employees. Nepotism and best fit hiring practices, violation of written rules with no repercussion, and continued irresponsibility in our governments actions are signs we need a charter or elected officials that care about every citizen and have the back bone to address issues in a serious manner and not the joke that Tommy Campbell displayed in regards to his buddies in the financial management office.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
Just look at the sowing of distrust that has been spewed about President Obama. He gets the blame for everything. Did he vote to let the factories move over seas where there wouldn't be jobs in the US for it's citizens? NO!
9:15
If this is barrett posting anonymously again, please let me just say that people were not so at each other's throats here in Giles County back then as they are now. You cant thank troublemakers for that.
No, I don't believe for one moment that people would vote themselves a raise in taxes here in Giles County because of the way this little group of unhappy people have portrayed our elected and appointed officials. People are skeptical and distrustful now mopre than ever before, and these people are the reason why.
You are starting to favor a charter? What a laugh. I think you are the main ones pushing it. Then you denied even knowing Ben Cunningham.
If you are in fact barrett, let me close by saying that, with regard to best fit hiring, the voters of District 7 knew you were not a best fit for them. They told you twice, but you still tried to get the court to override their will on a technicality. Then you went on a rampage accuing honest and dedicated employees of tampering with the election. Shame on you.
10:13
I didn't realize that the president had the power to stop private industries from relocating out of this country? Having said that, let me ask you a question. Wasn't it Obama who turned the Keystone deal down and actually cost this country over 25,000 jobs? Oh, I believe it was. Is that ok as long as he throws out those etitlements, compliments of working taxpayers? I believe it's not!
The community organizer has got to go.
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