We Will Be In The Hospital Fund About $661,000.00 By June 30.
"We Will Be In The Hospital Fund About $661,000.00 By June 30", Janet Vanzant County Executive at the Budget Committee Meeting held at 0930 Hrs. 2 May 2012.
For those of us who have warned about this over the past couple of years it does not come as a surprise. Some of us have suggested and requested better financial planning instead of just reacting to situations as they pop up. A second problem that has plagued the county is not having a budget that is more strictly adhered too. Making a budget that looks good but having no intention of following is as non productive as making the best looking biscuits imagined then putting them in the oven at 500 for four hours.
The County Executive defined the situation as a crisis and offered two solutions. One is to borrow from a local bank and the other simply use the hospital money to cover the deficit. When the question was asked about paying back the money there was no offer of how to do that. The implication is clear, the hospital money is to be used and not paid back.
The question was raised that there is another solution and that is simply to cut spending, lay-off non essential staff, stop all non essential travel, buy nothing that can't be postponed until next year, reschedule personnel to avoid overtime pay, cancel all non essential expenses.
For those of us who have warned about this over the past couple of years it does not come as a surprise. Some of us have suggested and requested better financial planning instead of just reacting to situations as they pop up. A second problem that has plagued the county is not having a budget that is more strictly adhered too. Making a budget that looks good but having no intention of following is as non productive as making the best looking biscuits imagined then putting them in the oven at 500 for four hours.
The County Executive defined the situation as a crisis and offered two solutions. One is to borrow from a local bank and the other simply use the hospital money to cover the deficit. When the question was asked about paying back the money there was no offer of how to do that. The implication is clear, the hospital money is to be used and not paid back.
The question was raised that there is another solution and that is simply to cut spending, lay-off non essential staff, stop all non essential travel, buy nothing that can't be postponed until next year, reschedule personnel to avoid overtime pay, cancel all non essential expenses.
posted by Allen Barrett | 11:52 AM
166 Comments:
And I would bet the suggestion of cutting back, laying-off non-essential personnel, etc was totally ignored. Am I right?
They could also reduce personnel hours as a possible solution to completely laying-off. There are several companies in the area doing just that. With the cut back in economy, you know it doesn't take as many people in EVERY office. The Election Office dont need three people in it all year round. They have nothing to do a bunch of the time. How about the Trustees Office? Same thing.
In Lincoln county the finance director does the forms that we are paying a Solid Waste man to do. That would save $50,000 just there.
The county Exec and her motley crew should be sued for incompetence and not complying with the many mandates issued by the County Commissioners to "DO NOT TOUCH the hospital fund " .
Does ANYONE now doubt why there is a need to PASS THE COUNTY CHARTER in August ??
This is INCOMPETENCE at its highest level
The commissioners need to seriously look at selling the ambulance service and not be swayed by Roy Grigg's tears. All he does is ask for more and more. Selling the service would easily get rid of the $660,000 over expenditure, rid the county of the billing agency plus give a big cushion into the county coffers.
Did anyone ask why does the EMA office need a new pickup?
WAB
Tell us this is another one of your jokes?
12:23 (12:40)
I suppose we need people like you and Mr. Barrett running things. But we know that's never going to happen.
And no, we don't need a charter.
I think we should pass a wheel tax. All of the surrounding counties that are doing better then us have one. That is a better way to balance the budget. You many DA's in the commission are scared to do it.
All the surrounding counties are being better run than here does that mean you agree that Vanzant needs to go? They also seem to be more willing to follow the law maybe that's how they get their budgets to balance.
They have more money coming in from taxes. That is how they TRY to get their budgets to balance. All counties have thier problems and troublemakers.
Yo Dumm Dumm at 6:10
Mrs. Vanzant's projections include all expected tax revenues for 2012.
Let us make this very simple.......... Giles County is expected to spend $661,000.00 more than they have in the bank by June 30th.
This means that this county will begin the 2013 tax year with $661,000.00 in the hole. So are you supporting that the County takes more money from us (without our permission???) to balance their spending budget????
If so ... why are all of you against President Obama????? He is doing nothing less than Giles County.
6:10
Excellent post. Giles County certainly has its share of troublemakers.
A very easy solution would be to implement a $50 wheel tax. We would then have enough money to cover our operational costs. Problem solved. We are only $50 per person annually from not having to hear you all cry anymore.
7:21 You are right Giles County is doing no better than Obama.
Why don't we just go with a hundred dollar wheel tax so vanzant can hire a few more people.
By the way 7:54 it is $50.00 per vehicle not per person. Just thing hat car dealers will have to pay
I bet that County Vehicles are exempt
A wheel tax won't help as it would take more than a year to collect the first dollars. The only thing that makes sense is to cut back on the spending the same way people have to do in there own homes.
8:24 So true. No way will they cut spending.
8:15 is correct, and very few people in the county have only one registered vehicle. The wheel tax has been defeated every time it has gone before a county referendum. The only way one will pass around here is if the taxpayers have no say. I know that I will vote against, if given the chance.
Ray Lanier
If only they would have listened to the "troublemakers" when they was telling about them dipping into the hospital money but prejudice was to great and they gave ideas that was to different for the way things have been done so now we're broke and digging into the hospital funds and we gonna have to pay more because of their stupid spending. They need to get all them school employees of the commissioners seats and put somebody on there that knows something.
Want to stop a tax increase and wheel tax without being asked about it, vote YES for the charter.
In some families, the woman has to have a car to go to work in and the man has to have a way to get to work. Then they could have two or more children with car or truck. They might have a job after school and need a way to get there
Very few one car families anymore as it takes both parents working to make a half way decent living.
I didn't plan to vote for the charter, but the way vanzant and some commissioners want to keep spending it's looking better.
The Charter is looking better all the time. If a 50 dollar wheel tax passes it may not sound like a lot to some but that much at one time with the registration is a whole lot to me. The only way I can pay that will be to drop insurance and hope I don't have a wreck. My car ain't worth much more than what a wheel tax would cost but I have to get to work and that's it.
If the property tax goes up they'll raise my rent which i already have trouble paying since utilities are so high. Guess I'll become homeless and just let the county take care of me. I heard if you go to jail they take care of all your medicine and doctor bills. Before you holler about me having cable and internet I come to my friends house and watch TV with him and sometimes use his internet for a dollar.
7:19
It's unfrtunate that you are having the financial woes you are having, and for that I hope things can turn around for you. But we are ALL in the same boat, and EVERYTHING has gone up drastically in the past few years. It's harder and harder, and taxpayers are being milked all across this country by runaway government spending.
You may be sitting there thinking that a charter for Giles County will be the taxpayers' salvation, but it's won't. Don't be fooled.
If this thing passes and we are stuck with it, it's going to be very hard to get rid of it. It reminds me of Obamacare. It's here, and it's going to take strong conservative leaders to overturn it.
What you said about your financial situation proves my point. Since so many of us are in a similar situation, do you honestly think we would go into the voting booth and vote in favor of a tax increase? NO!
Think about it, and join us in the coming fight to defeat this thing before we get stuck with it. The little group who's pushing it should be concern enough to vote against it. And I honestly believe their primary goal in all this is to get incumbants out of office whom the voters want in office. What about that? Aggain, don't be fooled by these people. They are a very small but troublesome faction here.
God bless you. May God bless Giles county.
To get some of the incumbants out of office is a good reason to vote for the charter.
I could understand a wheel tax or property tax increase if they had left the things out of the budget like Garner requested and showed they were trying to cut spending.
8:16 Look the people already voted to raise taxes and you know that so every time you say or imply they would never do that is just a lie.
You talked about "runaway government spending" well it's obvious that it's people like you who keep supporting that government spending. We are not all in the same boat as you say, I live on social security and a few investments that bring in hardly anything because the interest rate is so low, but I'm being charged taxes to pay outrageous salaries to people who do nothing most of the day if they even show up at work. Why do people get paid for forty hours when they only work 35 or less. Two many people in some offices. The tax assessor is never in the office, not working but in the Gazebo smoking and drinking a very odd smelling sundrop.
The charter may not be perfect but it is the only hope foe saving the taxpayers of this county.
I read the charter last night. Although I'm sure I'll have to read it several more times to absorb it all, it doesn't seem like a bad thing. 8:16, your continued argument to vote against the charter may well have the opposite effect. You keep saying that voters will not support any tax increases, and you may be right, for the most part. By using this as the basis for your argument, though, you are inferring that not having a charter would certainly result in higher taxes. Why would citizens -- who are against higher taxes -- vote FOR higher taxes? You may have a legitimate concern about the charter, but it doesn't seem like the one you've been expressing makes much sense. No one should make up their mind solely on what they read in here. The charter is readily available for all to read. Read it, discuss it, decide and then vote the way you believe will most benefit the county and its citizens: That's your right and duty, either way.
Ray Lanier
8:47
look, I know the people voted a tax increase in the past. But that's not going to happen now. Why is that? One reason is that you guys have succeeded in causing so much hatred and distrust for anyone who holds an elected or appointed office. That, by the way, is rooted in the jealous and resentful heart of one who knows he can't get elected to dogcatcher. The other reason is that we are living in tough economic times, and people are just not going to vote for more money taken from their already-stretched budgets.
You call me a liar. Hardly so.
By the way, your rhetoric sounds exactly like barrett. You are either drinking his Kool-Aid and worshipping at his feet or.....you are him. Which is it?
Ray,
There are other concerns I have with the charter issue, but the MAIN one is the people who are behind this thing. I see them as dangerous and power-hungry. They can't get themselves or their candidates elected, and so they want to push this off on unsuspecting voters. You see, the charter, among other things, will get those incumbents out of office....the ones the voters want to be in office in the first place. I think it flys in the face of the electoral process.
We can disagree without becoming disagreeable, can't we?
You say the charter is the only hope for Giles County taxpayers. It might protect taxpayers in that there would be no new taxes PERIOD. Then you will be whin ing when services are curtailed or cut out altogether. NO, Giles County DOES NOT need a charter, and I vow to work diligently to see it defeated.
Ray
My apologies. That last paragraph of my 10:29 post was directed to 8:47.
10:13 You speak of "living in tough economic times, and people are just not going to vote for more money taken from their already-stretched budgets" but you support the county just taking more money from those stretched budgets without our approval. Mr Lanier made a very valid point in a very comprehensive way when he said, "You keep saying that voters will not support any tax increases, and you may be right, for the most part. By using this as the basis for your argument, though, you are inferring that not having a charter would certainly result in higher taxes", to bad you can't seem to understand that.
It does not matter how much you bad mouth me, make stupid untrue claims about me or try to make me the focus of your silly objections to the Charter proposal, intelligent people will not be swayed by stupidity, they will read the Charter proposal and make up their minds based on how they understand it.
I whole heartily endorse Mr. Lanier's very appropriate suggestion that everyone simply read the Charter proposal and make up their minds based on the facts of it. Voting for or against anything based on who else is for or against it is the the ultimate insult to our voting heritage. People have died so we could vote our convictions as free people, I can hardly imagine voting for or against a thing simply because we don't like a person who supported or opposed it.
I complement and fully agree with Mr. Lanier's post.
10:29, we can most certainly disagree without becoming disagreeable, that's what the 1st amendment is all about. That being said, I still find fault in your logic. If you've read some of my previous posts, you'll know that Mr. Barrett and I will probably not be having lunch together anytime soon, but he is right in what he says. It would seem that, other than concern about needed taxes not being voted in and term limits being imposed, your main complaint is against B and anyone who thinks like him. I would not care if it was my most hated nemesis that had proposed this charter, if I thought it was the best thing for the people of this county, I would vote for it. To decide for any other reason is simply not rational. Many citizens are fed up with government telling them they are not smart enough to know what is good for them. We are not children and do not wish to be treated as such. If I ask "why", I don't want to be told "because it's for your own good". Speaking on the issue of term limits, what's wrong with that? Lifetime politicians often develop the attitude that the status-quo will suffice. I believe it would be a great thing to have fresh minds to look at problems, especially if the incumbents aren't having any success with their methods. Absolutely vote your own conscience, but try to put animosities aside:Do it for the right reasons.
Ray Lanier
MMC Student agrees with Ray Lanier:
Well said Ray; and, thank you.
If CG and his friends would actually read the proposed Charter they would discover that the proposed "Term Limits" is:
1) An elected County Commissioner and the County Executive may serve for two consecutive terms which equal eight years.
2) If that person wishes to serve more time .... all they have to do is sit out one term (or four years) and they are now elegible to be re-elected and serve an additional two terms.
This may go on forever.
Seems to me that if a person does a good job in service to their fellow citizens for two terms. They will easily be re-elected for an additional eight years after sitting out for four years. That shows a commitment on that elected person's part and a trust that, even though they would have to sit out for four years, the voters will elect them again.
Ray,
You are righht in your assessment of my opinion of barrett. I think he is the worst troublemaker this county has ever had. Yes, it does trouble me that those like him are the ones pushing it. I do not trust their motives.
Regarding the charter, I will work against it for the reason you outlined. I do not think it is in the best interests of Giles County. Keep in mind that, once we get it, it would be hard to do away with.
Thanks, 2:09. That's our jobs as voters, be it good or bad. See you at the polls!
Ray Lanier
Ray
You bet. I'll be there, the Lord willing.
2:09
Can't we act like Christians and do with out all the name calling?
This person that wants taxes raised and the county not to stop spending more money may wake up some day like some of Giles County people have,
It's so easy when you and probably wife have a good paying job. That could be lost at the drop of a hat.
One thing the people may wake up and vote you out, where you work could close; you or your spouse could get the dreaded disease of cancer and require the spouse to take care of you having to quit your job. The old song, "I never promised you a rose garden" could come to an end.
Think of other people instead of being so selfish. Give a hoot about someone beside your self.
4:29
Very well said!!
2:53 Vote is all you can do. Or do you plan to do like some did in Chicago when Obama was elected.
I'd like to see you try that in Giles County.
7:28
Voting is precisely what I intend to do. Why would you infer that I meant anything more? Could it be that you are just trying to stir up trouble that isn't there? I think so.
Christian people do not resort to the things you seem to suggest. By the way, I will also be voting against Obama just as I will vote against the charter. Ok?
7:28 it has long been known that no election in Giles County is settled until after the votes are counted from the Maplewood Precinct.
Do Christian people throw stones at one another? How many Christian are there posting on this blog
Sometimes they shoot each other in the heads 8:42. Don't you remember anything about WWII or maybe you think the Germans, French, Italians etc were not really Christians.
1:10 Do you think God will hold it against the soldiers for shooting the enemy in the wars? I'm not trying to be cute, this is something I had wondered about before.
4:29, I don't think God will hold it against. Unfortunately, I am not versed enough to quote scripture. I do know, however, that the Lord is in favor of smiting down one's enemies, under the right circumstances. I'm sure there others on here that can give you chapter and verse.
Ray Lanier
Ray, I have been in combat, and that is something that I have worried about for years. But even the Bible teaches us that we are to obey civil authority. I agree with you.
I see no sin in fighting for one's country. And even if it were sinful, the only unforgiveable sin is that of blasphemy.
5:29 Is suicide not an unforgivable sin? If you kill yourself, you can't ask for forgiveness.
I'm sure different people interpret scripture in different ways. It is my understanding the only truly un-forgivable sin is to refuse to let the Holy Ghost speak thru you if you are delivered before Satan. The Lord kind of looks at the circumstances of other sins, before passing judgement. That's what I got out of it, anyway.
Ray Lanier
11:14
The only unforgiveable sin I read about in the Bible is blasphemy. I'm not sure what it is, but I think Ray is right.
I sure hope suicide isn't an unforgivable sin as I knew a very religious man that committed suicide and that always bothered me.
5:42
It is up to the Righteous Judge to make those decisions. None of us here on earth, including those who cause trouble and scoff at a man's Christianity, have that right.
I don't really think those who commit suicide are thinking rationally at that point, and I believe God is one of grace and mercy. He knows our hearts.
8:52 Your post would of been good if you had just left the bitterness off. You just had to take a shot at somebody.
7:18
Merely pointing out the truth. None of us have the right.
8:52
You have been asked to show one post in which some one has scoffed at Christianity and have failed to do so but continue your claims. Since you can not show one post in which any one attacks Christianity but continue your claims that people are attacking Christianity and hate it doesn't that make you a liar. I don't think lying makes one look very much like the Christian they claim to be.
Sincerely,
CG lies and whines
9:07
Stop attacking me for what I stand for, and I will stop playing this ridiculous game with you.
I am a Christian and a gentleman, and I do not lie.
Stop trying to stir up trouble.
Your turn.
3:24
I see you posted no proof to the contrary.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
4:13
Stop attacking me for what I stand for, and I will stop playing this ridiculous game with you.
I am a Christian and a gentleman (I know you can't stand that), and I do not lie.
Stop trying to stir up trouble. The whiner seems to be you along with the other one or two.
Your turn.
Why is it alright for you to question others Christianity but no one is to call you on your lies? There are others who post on here who are Christian and are knowledgeable about the subjects they post about but you still attack them, challenge them, call them liars and then act like you are the victim. It is fine to be a Christian and I and no one has attacked your claim to Christianity and that is the reason you fail to show proof of any attacks on Christianity.The lies and enabling of the wrong doing of our elected officials and county employees you seem to approve of is what I challenge and as long as you take the attitude you do toward this blog I will call you on your lies and enabling.
As no human is perfect and all subject to temptation the claim that because one is a Christian they can not lie, which I believe you are the only fool to make that claim, just does not hold water and reveals you for who you truly are.
No one buys into it and I think you are the biggest liar in Giles County and just too stupid to know that you are lying because you refuse to look at the facts when they are presented to you.
Understand that as you have claimed you will let no one get away with any thing on this blog there are those that have taken the same attitude toward your lies.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
11:21
You and I both have the right to question another's Christianity, but neithter of us is the judge. Thank God for that.
Let me run this by you once again. since you just cannot let it go. The ONLY reason I ever referred to myself as a Christian is because of the lie allen barrett told on me that I enable or go along with wrongdoings. That's right; HE told a lie, and YOU are the one who is enabling it.
Exactly what lies have I been telling in Giles County? Why do you keep calling me names? Why can't you let this go? My offer still stands. Stop attacking, and I will stop defending.
You are right. As long as the Lord give me breath, I will not let you get away with this. Do you think people who try to bully others should be allowed to get away with it? I don't!
I have seen you post nothing to the contrary of what you claim are lies from Barrett. I don't think, since Barrett is a Christian, he would lie. I agree with him concerning your posts as he has supported his statements using your own posts.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
5:57
Well, he surely DID lie when he accused me of enabling wrongdoings. That's right; he lied. I explained to him that Christians do not willfully go along with things they know to be wrong, but he refused to accept that. That's his problem, and you have made it an issue between you and me.
I have never claimed to be living a perfect sinless life. We all sin. But I do not willfully support or condone wrongdoings, and you are perpetuating the lie that I do.
I suppose it's once again your turn.
Where are the people that called Barrett a liar and crazy when he wrote on here that they was a using the money from the hospital. I remember DAW and CG being two of the people but they sure are quiet about that subject now. CG even says he don't know enough about the matter to discuss it but he sure had lots to say in the past. It sure must gripe his butt to know that Barrett was right all alone and CG was right there the whole time supporting them that was doing the wrong but of course CG don't support wrongdoing just those who do the wrong. What a guy I think CG is looking for a job in the White House he sure has the same attitude as Obama.
8:00
Yes, I am beginning to think you are mentally ill (describing behavior).
As I said, I don't know enough about the hospital fund to even discuss it, so I have no idea if barrett is lyingh or not. I never called him a liar over that. The ONLY thing I have ever said he lied about is his accusation that I willfully support wrong. I was offended by that lie, and have asked him to stop it.
I about cracked a rib laughing at the idiocy of your statement that I have the same attitude as Obama. I happen to be a conservative who would never support that administration.
Ok, your turn once again.
MMC Student asks the CG:
Why don't you go out, attend meetings, acquire and read public documents and make the effort to learn more about what is going on with the management of this County?
mmc
Why don't you start treating others with respect who disagree with you guys? Your arrogance seems to know no bounds. That sorta reminds me of another such person who lives in this county. He thinks he knows everything as well.
You also remind me of some people I saw while in college. They get a few semester hours of credit and immediately think they are smarter than everybody else. You seem to fit right in with the troublemakers here in the county.
You know nothing about me.
8:11 When are you going to start treating people with respect? If they don't agree with you and your friends you get all out of sort.
I don't know about MMC, but from your post I don't want to know anything else about you. Your post say enough.
You remind me of Obama, "my way or no way."
9:08
I respect the respectable. But God loves us all.
I respect differing viewpoints, but not when they one who has it starts calling me names and telling lies on me. Do you respect troublemakers? I donb't.
Are all people that disagree with you trouble makers? If so I guess I am a trouble maker. But I pay taxes same as you and as the old saying goes I like champagne, but my pocket book will only afford beer.
That was just a saying I have heard, I don't drink either one even if given to me.
I understand we need to pay more taxes for somethings, but until the county government tries to cut their spending, I will vote against anything they propose.
Giles county use to be called "The land of Milk and Honey." Some think it the "Land of Milk and Money."
There is one thing I don't understand some have accused Dan Speer of wanting Pulaski to be for retirement. Unless they are millionaires, retires aren't rolling in money to pay taxes.
MMC Student to 8:11 (if you are not the CG because I have already explained this to the CG)
I attend MMC because I enjoy learning. Chances are I am older than you. I am a retired Army officer with tours in Viet Nam, retired businessman and property owner in Lincoln and Giles Counties.
I have a lot more than a few semesters under my belt. I do know quite a bit because I go out and seek answers rather than sitting on my ass and bitch.
I now say to you and again to the CG (if you are not the same)...Why don't you go out, attend meetings, acquire and read public documents and make the effort to learn more about what is going on with the management of this County?
MMC
I leave all the meetings to you guys. I don't want to be anywhere near you guys.
MMC says to 4:01
That ten means that you are totally disinterested in what really goes on as far as the management of Giles County? You just don't give a damn. It is easier for your to not get involved, sit on you butt and complain about others without taking any responsibility upon yourself?
You would rather bitch (or hide your head in the sand) and let what has been done, and continues to be done without raising one finger to question ... WHY???
I bet you don't care if your property taxes are raised?? I also bet that you don't care if a wheel tax is implemented?
Do you work for Giles County???
Bet she does and will ask for a raise to pay her taxes.
Temperature arising, isn't that a song title?
I am waiting to see how fair and honest Barrett is going to be with MMC using some pretty foul language. Last post I saw with that language was deleted. I hope I don't get to call him a hypocrite. But, I imagine I will get to do just that.
4:45 You are wrong. I fI were not interested in this county where I was born and raised, I would bnot be here dealing with the likes of you.
I', quite interested in this land I love, and pleaswe don't assume that I don't. In addition, don't assume that I work anywhere. As smart as you are, I'm sure you know what often happens when you assume things.
You said it all when you said, "I leave all the meetings to you guys. I don't want to be anywhere near you guys." Monday, May 07, 2012 4:01:00 PM'
Now you try to deny any responsibility for even that. You are a coward, and enabler and a complete fool for being satisfied with your ignorance. Besides all that you can't type worth a fart when you get upset.
6:07
I find it odd that you only care about foul language when it is in an opposing opinions post. If you are going to be the language censor why did you remain silent and post no opposition to the foul language in Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:14:00 PM post under The "congratulations to Commissioner Jackson" thread?
Could it be you wrote that post and support foul language when it is in an attack on some one whose opinion you disagree?
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
8:39 as I read where cg said she/he was waiting to see how Barrett handled the foul language, I was wondering about how they never said anything about the foul language when it was on her side.
Thanks for posting that.
I'm still waiting to see the "pretty foul" language used on this topic. Damn? Bitch? Ass? If you think that is foul language, I hope you never hear my grandma at Sunday dinner.
9:08
No, you are lying once again. I was not the one who made that statement.
You still have gender confusion issues with me. That's why I refer to myself as a gentleman (male) in addition to proudly proclaiming Christ in my life.
Please stop lying. It's very unbecoming of you.
8:39
No, YOU are the liar for saying I lie and whine. Give it up.
You really really need something to do.
Ray Lanier is a total moron. Your kids must be so proud to have a father that acts like a 8 year old. Barrett won't censor bad language when it comes to his buddies. What a fool.
11:13, what have you ever read on here that gave you the impression that B and I were buddies? We disagree on just about everything, but it's ok for a grown-up to concede when another has made a valid point.
If the above post is your best attempt at an insult, you are way out of your league. Try not to get hit with the ball. Totally.
Ray Lanier
I don't think the Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:14:00 PM post under The "congratulations to Commissioner Jackson" thread is a buddy of Barrett but who knows.
10:03
I noticed in your statement you did not condemn the language in the post previously referenced. How interesting.
11:28 post was presented to you by
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
11:30
Please stop telling the lie that I whine and lie. Accept the fact that, as a Christian and as a gentleman, I choose not to behave as you do.
Have a good day everyone.
Ray, you and Barrett are buddies because you both act like complete idiots on here. You have shown nothing more than a childish nature since you first started posting. You trying to be clever just makes you sound even worse. Barrett typically stands for someone that is making a fool of themselves. I think he can really empathize with you.
7:37 I don't think Barrett stands for the CG. Could you give an example, maybe there is another person who continually makes a fool of their self besides the CG.
7:37, I'm going to give that some serious thought. Maybe you'll be the one that finally gets me to change my ways. I don't know how I can ever re-pay you. A light for your closet, perhaps? I know, I can pay for your next ad in the "men-seeking-men" section of your favorite periodical. Oh hell, you just decide. I don't really know enough about your lifestyle to pick for you. Go on, now, I'll talk to you after your appointment.
Ray Lanier
8:20
I'm the Christian gentleman. Please do not compare me with allen barrett.
Ray,
What is your obsession with gay people? You talk about it all the time. So you are dumb and homophobic? Or maybe.......?
8:20 Guess I must be the dumbest person in Giles County, I don't understand your post. Please don't do like cg does and say "you knew what I meant" because I don't.
9:26
You just can't let it go, can you?
9:12, are you hitting on me? Don't beat around the bush -- no pun intended -- just ask. I won't judge you. What you do in the back row of the theater is your business. I don't mean to talk about it all the time, I'm just trying to make it easier on folks like you. Y'all have enough challanges to overcome without the stress of keeping it hidden adding to it. A lot of people experimented in college, no shame.
Ray Lanier
I'll never let it go until you do.
10:37
Your turn.
I think Ray and Barrett and CG and everybody else that don't agree with me is the same person. I know I'm right cause I was born in Giles County and the initials for Giles County are GC which is the opposite of CG. You can make fun of me being from Giles County but that's proof I'm right.
12:40 (1:21)
I'll bet you have a hard time getting anything done around the office.
You are so incredibly wrong about me and barrett being the same person. I am pretty closely aligned with Ray in thinking, but please don't compare me with barrett. By the way, it was you guys who started referring to me as CG, although I readily admit to being a XChristian and a gentleman.
Your turn.
I think your though processes prove that you may be in need of some serious therapy.
12:40 (1:21)
I wanted to point out a typo I made in the first paragraph. I meant to say I readily admit to being a Christian and a gentleman. The "X" was a typo, and I knew you would jump all over that.
Why would I make fun of anyone for being from Giles County? I was born and raised here and love this county.
Again, your turn. I've got work to do before it rains.
CG or GC if I post to you and use those letters it's not making fun of you just identifying you.
I thought CG sounded better than enabler and I don't know you are so don't call you that.
Giles County person, be glad of being from Giles County all the people from GC aren't trouble makers or crazy.
Most are far away "from" Giles County, they left as soon as possible.
5:10
Then it is my obligation to apologize to you. Please accept it as such.
And you are right. Very few here are actually troublemakers.
I like tater tots!
Ray Lanier
$661,000.00 could buy a lot of tater tots.
Maybe it could by an education for all you morons like Ray Lanier. I think there may be hope for him yet. The rest of you are just empty upstairs. Mainly CG and CG Jr
7:40 There you go again with your cheap shots. Yes, I am a GC because I am a Giles Countian. I am also a CG, because I happen to be a Christian as well as a gentleman. You cna't seem to stand that, can you?
7:40, It was my remark about tater tots that won you over, wasn't it? Concerning my education, -- y'all get your rotten tomatoes and flaming torches ready -- thanks to W and his republican mouth-pieces, I'm not sure $661 grand would even touch the tuition. Most students leave college with what amounts to a large mortgage without the house. Admittedly, Obama has disappointed me by not doing the many things he promised to do -- like letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire -- but at least he is trying to do something about the overwhelming college loan fiasco. I don't understand why the repugs are so dead-set against that, except for the fact that it was Obama's idea. Y'all may pile on now, let's play kill the man with the opposing idea. Hoo-rah.
Ray Lanier
cg, how can one just happen to be a
Christian?
2:11
By humbling myself and submitting to the Lord. It's not that difficult.
That cheap shot made you look very foolish...again.
7:24 You are so right,"they get out of Giles County as soon as possible."
I once heard a man say, "the cream of the crop always leave small towns."
When I took offense he said, "they have to to find a good paying job."
To Ray Lanier,
One of the problems with George W. was that he allowed spending to run away on his watch.
Concerning education, why should I finance four years or more at an elite school for someone to study psychology, black history, political science etc when everyone knows there are very few if any jobs, especially higher paying, where those majors are needed? Only a financial fool would go into debt to the tune of over a hundred thousand dollars and more when it isn't necessary. If you can't afford a Mercedes you get a Toyota or Ford. If you can't afford to go to Vanderbilt go to Columbia College for a couple of years then transfer and graduate from Vanderbilt. Who cares where you took your remedial classes after high school? The diploma will read the same. Join the military and get
money for school. It is not my responsibility to pay your bills resulting from your irresponsibility. On a personal level would you ask your neighbor or a stranger to make your car payment, from what I've read on here by you it's very doubtful as you seem to independent.
I don't know where you got the idea that the so called Bush tax cuts were only for the rich. Are you aware that letting them expire will cost you a bundle of money?
For example a married couple with two children making only $75.000 will have to pay an additional $2,600.00 if the tax rates are not extended. Consider that if the cuts are done away with the tax brackets go from 10 to 15 %; 25 to 28%; 28 to 31%; 33 to 36% and 35 to 39.6%.
The child credit drops from a thousand dollars for each child to only five hundred per child; the marriage penalty will be restored causing couples who file jointly to pay up to 80% more than their single counter-parts.
The thing that Obama has been most successful at is forcing this nation more deeply into socialism
and making a "nanny state" of cradle to grave government intervention. I find it hard to understand anyone wanting the government to be more involved with their lives especially those who have grown up in the independence of individual responsibilities. I fear we have lost our desire to stand on our own two feet choosing instead to have the government take from others and give to us. Consider the simple things that have been lost on the most basic level children can't play dodgeball, ride a bike without a helmet, be disciplined by parents without fear of being taken to court; children can't take a peanut butter sandwich in school lunches; can't even take a lunch to many school where you have to eat what they choose for you. Look at the Constitutional rights that have been lost because of political correctness. Foreigners now have more rights than legal citizens.
Obama has been a complete disaster that has created more debt in three years than all the presidents before him, including George W., combined. Obama's commitment to communist countries while abandoning democratic allies is frightening. He, based on his two books, is an avoid socialist and his desire is to create a European style socialist county here.
Please do not think I am trying to pile on you, I just think there may be some things you didn't fully consider in your statement.
Perhaps you are right about some of what you say, but I can't agree with all of it. You don't have to go to an elite school to pile up more debt than you can pay. What's more, with the way things are now, doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals don't even have to bother to try and pay theirs back. Do you think it's ok for the government to sell someone's loan, only to have it sold again and again? Each time with new fees being added so that it ends up being several times more than it was to begin with? Unfortunately, I don't make anywhere near $75 grand, so yeah, I am definately for letting the Bush taxs cuts expire. I'm also in favor of closing loopholes that allow someone like Romney to get away with paying only 15 or 18% or whatever shamfully low figure it is. I hate the gov having so much say in our lives too, but they had it long before Obama took office. Sorry, but 8yrs of the mighty W left me with a bad feeling about republicans. Maybe I'll grow out of it.
Ray Lanier
Oh yeah, just so you don't think I'm a complete idiot, this is from the wall street journal: It's worth noting that income tax rates can be deceptive. While middle earners may be paying a top marginal rate of 15% or 25%, their average tax rate is much lower. After counting deductions and exemptions, says the IRS, the typical middle-income family is actually paying less than 10% of gross income in federal income tax. Taking rates back to 2000 might raise that by a point or two.
Also: Raising taxes on the middle class seems unlikely in the near future. President Obama says he wants to renew the tax cuts for all those making less than $200,000 to $250,000 a year. Republicans, and some Democrats, want to renew them across the board. Also from the WSJ. With so much propaganda coming from both parties, it's really hard to know who to believe. I'm sure either one of us could easily find reputable sources to uphold our take on the issue. As always, I am to remain,
Ray Lanier
Doesn't it bother you that obama is a socialist who has done more to destroy this country than any single person in recent history. Look at the debt he has created look at what he did to our military. Are you satisfied with the official over 8% unemployment and unofficial 15%.
obama by his own words is a crack head that spent his high school years in a "drug induced daze"
10:40, did you not watch the news when Bush was president? The debt and job loss began in his term, as did the bail-out of wallstreet fat-cats. They also raised the debt ceiling 7 times under Bush and 18 times under Reagan. Of course Obama added to the debt, more than he should have, I'm sure. You can't just wave a magic wand and try to fix problems for free.
In his own words, he did not say he was a "crackhead", only that he had used cocaine and weed in his youth. Your beloved W admitted to having an alcohol addiction until the age of 40. Isn't alcohol a drug?
I knew that you had something wrong upstairs Ray. You have the liberalism disease. Anything you say in the future will hold no merit because of your support of a socialist, American Hating Radical. Obama is in over his head. Maybe you can relate to him. I can't see how anyone can support him unless they are dependant on the government. Hard working people that have pride in themselves and humanity would never vote for a immoral baby killer that is pro gay marraige. It is fine for people to do what they want, but when they try to raise kids on a gay household it is sad. That kid has no choice or say in the matter and will have to be subjected to the ridicule because of selfish parents. This Nation is going to hell in a hurry and it is because of those that think like you and Obama.
Next time you see a rich person you should thank them for employing people rather than slapping them in the face with a tax. Maybe your job will be lost when taxes are raised.
Hey
Y'all hear that Rommney has said (to day) that he thinks it is OK for a GAY couple to adopt children.
So I guess he also thinks it is OH to be GAY
10:40 Are you stirring up trouble?
I agree with you on what you said about Obama just can't understand why it's ok to question obama, but wrong to question vanzant.
2:41, Why did you have to go and make this personal? Can you really not have a debate about something without tossing insults around? So, if I understand you, anyone that has a different opinion than you has "something wrong upstairs"? I'm pretty sure your kids suffered more hazing because you were their parent than they would have with gay parents. What do you have against gay marriage anyway? Are you afraid someone will propose to you? Or are you afraid that they won't. Seems to me if you were secure in your sexual orientation, it wouldn't be an issue. Tell the truth, now. You really know the secret gay handshake and you just don't want anyone to know, right? Homosexuals in denial, such as yourself, are far more detrimental to this country than openly gay people. I don't even have enough room on this blog to say everything I think is wrong with you. I'm sure just having to live with yourself is worse than anything I could say anyway. What an ass you are.
Ray, there you go again with all the gay talk. I am starting to think you might just be putting from the rough. Does your family know about this?
I apologize about raising issues that you can't logically dispute. That is the typical liberal in you. As clever as you may be, there is no doubt that you don't have much of a brain when it comes to common sense. Don't worry, I won't tell your neighbors that their kids are in danger. I think you will go outside of your neighborhood as most pedophiles do.
5:32
While I didn't post 10:40, I'd like to respond to your statement. Why is it ok for you guys to crucify Mrs. Vanzant at every possible opportunity but not acceptable to question barrett's behavior? Could you answer that for me? Thank you.
7:47, so far you haven't raised any issues that can be logically disputed. How many babies has Obama killed? When has he said that he hated America? Your answer is to say that anyone who disagrees with you is somehow mentally deficient. You were the one that brought up the gay talk. You seem to be terribly bothered by the fact that Obama is ok with gay marriages. Why would you be scared of that if it didn't affect you in some way? "Putting from the rough"? Is that the secret password that goes along with the handshake? I yield to your superior knowledge of homesexuality. Keep on hiding behind that anonymous tag, you spine-less jellyfish. That works almost as well as a closet. Oh, thanks for acknowledging my cleverness. If you ask nicely -- or bat those pretty eyes -- I may let you in on some of my secrets. I bet you do have a pretty mouth.
Ray Lanier
Ray, you are stupid. Obama voted for post birth abortion. That makes him responsible for killing babies. You don't need me to post who I am. I know who you are and where you live. I know your neighbors and I know that you are a punk with a big mouth that will not back it up. I am an adult that had rather see you make a fool of yourself with words. No need to go to jail over a little argument. Your support for our inept president is proof that you are an idiot. You are the one that can't help but talk about being gay. Don't worry, your secret is safe with me. I brought up some very relevant points and you can't logically discuss them so you start getting defensive. You are out of your league. Liberals are killing this country. Great job!
9:06 You answer why it's ok to crucify obama but not vanzant and then I will answer why it's ok to crucify Barrett and not vanzant.
I don't think barrett is Obama.
Barrett wasn't mentioned in the post of 5:32, but you always put him in there don't you.
9:31, How can you possibly say I will not back up my big mouth? As of yet, you haven't given me the opportunity. Of course you know who I am and where I live, I told you, dumbass. The only point I associate with you can be hidden by a large hat. As for being a punk, you are the one that admits to being scared of going to jail. I'm sure that's but one of your many fears, including your fear of me. It's ok, they have support groups for that, so you don't have to be ashamed. You are welcome to talk to any of my neighbors that you want to, they will all tell you I am a great guy with an extremly low tolerance for ignorance, of which you seem to have more than your fair share. Put-up or shut-up. Hell, you don't even have to tell me your name, just drive by my house. I'm sure I'll be able to spot that yellow streak down your back from my front porch. Hugs and kisses, babe.
Ray Lanier
Nothing, 9:31? No semi-humorous retort? Come on, just explain to your partner that you're not looking at porn, your just blogging with one of your betters, he'll understand. No? Well, g'nite then.
Ray Lanier
9:35
Just like you always bring up Mrs. Vanzant (brought up in 5:32 post) and others you've been told to hate. Grow a brain.
You certainly like to cause problems Ray. I don't know who it is you have been arguing with but you do talk about gay stuff alot. And any adult that has any dignity wouldn't want to go to jail for something as dumb as this blog.
Funny thing about that, 8:26, I don't know who I've been arguing with either. All I know is their name is "anonymous". If standing up for my beliefs and myself means a trip to the county lock-up, then so be it. The only reason I bring up being gay so much is because the ass posting to me is obviously a homophobe and it gets under his skin. It seems to get a rise -- no pun intended -- out of him everytime, so I just go with what works. I don't start the problems, but admittedly I do my share to keep them going. Just bored, I guess. Thanks for your concern and your opinion, though. Have a great day.
Ray Lanier
8:23 Where is your brain? I see you still ignored the question 5:32 asked.
Vanzant is in a place for people to question her just like Obama is.
Deal with it.
There is an old saying, "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen."
Ray, are you still in high school?
I certainly am, 2:24, and when I look back on it I'm sure I will recall it being the best 30yrs of my life. The desks seem to be getting a little smaller, though. That's probably just my perspective. What's wrong? Didn't you get to go? Was it embarassing during roll call when they called "anonymous" and you had to raise your hand? I mean, your parents did name you anonymous, didn't they? That, or fear, seem to be the only reason one would keep such a name.
Ray Lanier
Is there a place where the county budgets are posted or available? Historical as well as current?
7:56 you dealing with a clown by using humor is far more beneficial to you than them. It's also easier to laugh at your humor than cringe at your threats.
1:51, I know, right? I've finally learned my lesson about threats. It's hard to make threats effectively to someone who remains anonymous. You never know if they're the same anon or a new one. Oh yeah, just call me Ray. 7:56 is my father.
Ray Lanier
I'm not trying to start anything with anybody but I would like to know who is Barrett and why do people think he's behind everything bad in the county? It don't seem like he has a lot to say on here yet he he's brought up in almost every comment.
3:10
Honestly, all you need do is ask around town about that guy.
Well, I asked you since you seem to be some sort of authority on him 4:14.
7:39
Do your own asking. Anything I would say on this blog would be shot down and discredited. I challenge you to go find out some things for yourself.
Ive always heard Barrett to be a nice man and a concerned citizen who some local elected officials despise because he knows the rules better than they do. Because of the bigoted attitude of some of our officials that mirrors the enablers he is attacked maliciously when he questions their actions that are in violation of the rules and laws in place to protect the tax payer.
Take for example when he wanted to speak at the budget meeting. The bigoted behavior directed to him by our commissioners and executive when he had the foresight to see the budget was a farce was reprehensible.
He turned out to be right but is labeled a trouble maker by those that feel imposing higher taxes or a wheel tax solves all problems as opposed to responsible management of the tax payers money and the hiring of qualified employees to manage those resources.
The problem is Barrett cares more about the tax payers as a whole and citizens rights than any of our elected officials. As with the case of Strickland he seems to know more about the allocation of taxpayer resources and how they are used than our elected officials.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
mal
I would disagree with you. If they despise this man (and many do),it's because of the things he says and does. I believe he is the most despised man in the entire county. But that again is his own fault. If the's the champion of the taxpayer and the oppressed, I would say thanks but no thanks to him for his services.
You say barrett cares so much about taxpayers. He may, but most of us do since we are taxpayers. But I don't need or want someone like him representing my interests.
Please stop lying, and go look in the mirror. You will then see the real liar and whiner.
Enabler 11:25
Sorry about your luck then because he has the right to continue to do what he has been doing and more power to him.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
mal
Well, I see you are back at your game.
I suppose you are right in that anybody has a right to make a spectacle and laughing stock out of himself. You seem to be doing an excellent job in that respect.
Now, since you called me an enabler once again, I will tell you that you are repeating the same lie allen barrett told on me that I willfully go along with and support wrongdoing. That's the lie he told, and you are the real enabler by promoting it.
Oh, and you are yourself lying once more by accusing me of being a whiner and a liar. Stop lying and go look in your mirror at the true liar and whiner.
The proof is in your posting CG you are a liar, a whiner and a enabler plus you admit to an ignorance about what's happening with the county finances that could be fixed easily but ypou are too lazy to find outr what's happening. Now the schools are hurting because Garner has lost money again but she's keeping her job it's only teachers that are being told to go home they don't have a job anymore.
CG I don't know about the liar, but you sure do whine a lot in almost ever post.
9:46
Wrong. You are promoting the allen barrett lie that I willfully go along with and support wrongdoings. You keep bringing it up, and I am going to defend myself. He lied, pure and simple. I call myself a Christian because he DEMANDED proof that I do not go along with things I know to be wrong. I offered up the proof he so demanded. He refused to accept that, and neither can you. That's unfortunate. Surely, you have an issue you would like to discuss other than me. I'm really a very boring person.
The only enablers of what I consider wrongdoing are those like you who continue to support and promote the lie barrett told. Give it up, and so will I. My offer still stands. I'm sure barrett doesn't appreciate being reminded over and over that he lied about me. Truce?
There was no lie about you being an enabler and there was no proof offered by you that you are not.
As the old sayiong goes the proof is in the pudding and your pudding is spoiled.
Saying you are a Christian proves nothing especially in light for the proof Barrett showed that you do enable wrongdoing. You have lied on here, failed to take responsibility, refused to criticize unlawful behavior by county officials, verbally attacked those who differed from you, and called people mean names all while condemning that very same behavior in others. You are far more a hypocrite than Christian based on what you have put on this blog.
howard.
Wrong. The only enablers I see are those like you who support the lie allen barrett told on me. I just have different views and that by no means makes me an enabler of wrong. Get over it.
Saying I am a Christian is all the prooof I need to offer. Ity's unfortunate that you or the one who originated that lie refuse to accept it. Thank God, you guys are not my judge.
You call me a hypocrite. Is that not judging? Uh...I think it is. But I don't have to prove anything to you.
howard
One more thing is worth mentioning here. If you guys would stop this, you would not hear another word from me about my professing to be a Christian. But I don't think you can let it go. Can you?
Yo CG
If you went off and helped the needy and ignored what is being posted here about you (as Christ would do) you would be doing a Christian thing.
All you do here is add fule to the fire and then people just pick on you because you are so predictable and thin skined.
Poor ... Poor pitful you
10:13 A big Amen!
I think he enjoys it to much. It keeps people from discussing the issues if they are talking about him.
10:13
How do you know I don't go off and help the needy? You don't.
Would you ignore these quarrelsome people if they continued to call you names? I doubt it.
I'm neither poor nor pitiful, but I will not sit by and let them try to push me around. It's just not my nature to not stand up for myself. That's why they pick at me; I don't lay down for it.
Will you'll let this little baby alone? Someone must of bulled him, so all he knows is take up for himself.
Ok you are grown man, how about acting like it instead of acting like a baby.
2:20
No, I just don't allow bullying.
2:22 I think you do a lot of bullying.
I know you see it different but you are bullying also.
10:17
How can I be bullying when I continually ask that it stop?
Because you are consistently on here attacking people and act like a baby when you receive a little of your own medicine is directed back to you. You lie and often come to the defense of bullies.
Sincerely,
CG lies & whines
mal
Here you are again spewing your hatred. Don't you ever get tired of it? Do you ever wonder how you came to be so full of hatred and jealousy? I think you know. It only takes one troublemaker to get a group of people stirred up. This is my perception of what has happened to you and a few others here in the county. Grow a brain please.
Go take a look in your mirror, but have courage to accept the truth when you see it. That face in the mirror will be yours. That's you...the true liar and whiner.
8:22 Does 6:26 hate you or anyone else? I think it the way you and others act he don't like.
9:37
Yes, I think he hates me.
10:19 Reading minds?
2:57
You asked, and I told you what I thought. That has nothing to do with being a mind reader.
There was never any problems in the land of milk and honey untill Barrett came to town. Before him blacks and whites got along perfectly, that's just a lie about the KKK starting here unless Barrett sneaked in and started it. There was no class distentions until barrett stirred it all up. We never even had any divorces until he came here. Heck I remember when we had money trees in the back yard until barrett made us cut them down. We didn't even have to pay no taxes until he came here that feller is about the worst person that ever lived I recon.
10:24 I was about to tell you off, then I realized you was just having fun. Good post, that's sounds like what you know who thinks.
10:52
Oh, I think he has caused a lot of trouble and division here in Giles County, but I would not go so far as 10:24 did.
8;08 I guess you are right, my thoughts are Barrett was right on what was going on. Did he tell before it came out like you wanted him to?
Just wanted to clarify the comment on Ray Lanier being a moron. He is far from that. He is one of the most intelligent men any of you idiots could only dream of being. You can ask about Ray from anyone you want around town and what you will find out is that he is one that will speak his mind and not give a s... what you people think. He is probably sitting at home loving life and laughing knowing he has pissed the most of you off by his intelligence. You all are steaming at him and probably can't get him off your mind your so mad. He got the nasty to come out in all of you so called Christians. Another thing I would like to add is Ray has a heart of gold and like he said on blog, "You all know who he is and where He lives". I would never want any of you to know my name due to your not important to me at all. Just seen this and thought to myself someone or few people seem to not know what they are talking about if they think Ray Lanier is dumb. I also know he is not gay because if he was, he would be first to say it especially since you all hate gay folks. He would love nothing more than to piss you off a little more and ruin some more of your family time that your wife or loved ones are missing out on like it seems he has. Freedom of Speech is what you all can't seem to take. I wouldn't have even wrote this if you wouldn't have brought up his family or finances. You all probably have loads of credit cards maxed out and your your wives or husbands are all fake as hell from the plastic surgery idiots like you spend your money on. Ray is only stating what he believes in and killed your buzz. Now proceed with your "Yes Charter, "No Charter" BS.
Wow I have been going back and reading some posts as this is the first time I have ever been on this blog and the only thing that I have seen on here that I have even cared about commenting on is Ray Lanier................I have known Ray longer than any of you and I know that he is as good as it gets!I have played Trivial Pursuit with him and I have felt blessed to even answer any question before he could yell it out.I know that Ray has a heart that is bigger than most,Ray himself would admit to you that he has his faults as I would admit that I have mine but if I have ever needed anything in my 42 years I have the assurance that I can call on him and if he doesn't have it to help he will help me find someone that can.I know that Ray likes to stir it up on here and honestly I think it is quite humorous so Ray keep up the good work! P.S. ray let me know if anyone talks about me,Love ya brother! Lee Edwards oh I put my name.
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