Why Has A Non-Certified Person Been Allowed To Access Voting Machines During Elections?
At the un-publicized, meeting of the Giles Election Commission today two very important questions were asked by the newest addition to the commission. First question was why hasn't the organized group who oppose the charter been required to file a financial disclosure statement with the election office and why didn't the election director know that group was putting up signs around the county when she has to walk past one of those signs to get to her office every day and again every evening when she leaves that office?
Another question that was asked is why has an uncertified person been allowed to have access to the voting machines prior to the vote count being documented? With this taking place how can any vote be trusted?
This was not asked at the meeting but I am asking it now, why has the county attorney and other county resources been allowed to be used by the group opposed to the charter?
The integrity of local elections has long been questionable and now this situation only increases the suspicion of tainted results.
Another question that was asked is why has an uncertified person been allowed to have access to the voting machines prior to the vote count being documented? With this taking place how can any vote be trusted?
This was not asked at the meeting but I am asking it now, why has the county attorney and other county resources been allowed to be used by the group opposed to the charter?
The integrity of local elections has long been questionable and now this situation only increases the suspicion of tainted results.
posted by Allen Barrett | 7:19 PM
510 Comments:
wab
Were you at the meeting? If not, who filled you in on all the details? I thought you guys never met?
I wasn't at the theater in Aurora, Colo. but I know what happened there 8:04. Maybe Barrett is psychic or maybe he has the room wired.
Or recorded?
I received an anonymous letter today.
We can bitch about Parr's friends sending out fliers about Doss, which I thought was awful. Now someone sends me one and they don't have the guts to say who they are from.
Where in this topic is Barrett stating any proof that he swears to operate by? I don't see any wording that his accusations are more than fiction. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Jealous, 901?
I'd Like to have that answer.....
Who/why has someone access to the voting machines?
Every vote should be thrown out and recast. An who ever allowed this should be gone. Look at the track record...by their own admission they messed up during the last election, now this.....sounds like someone really trying to fix an election.
What is that answer please if anyone knows.
How can you have an answer with no names and no factual evidence to prove it happened. As of now it is just a rumor.
There sure have been a lot of rumors going around in Giles County for the last few years.
The question in the meeting was why David Rackley has been allowed by Mrs Bassham to access the computer card files before the votes are counted.
Mrs Bassham said "it saved the county money".
wab
Well, looks like you and your buddies have stirred up another hornet's nest. Why do you people just INSIST on causing trouble? You again attack and persecute some of the most honest people I know. Shame on you and your troublemaking group that doesn't exist!
Again, how do you know so much about a meeeting you apparently did not attend?
5:35
If you heard her say that, then you know good and well what she meant. Aren't you being totally hypocritical? I thought you guys were all about saving money? You ought to be ashamed. Looks like one of "your people" is now on the election commission, and I think that spells trouble. So sad.
7:11 You said WAB apparently wasn't at the meeting, then you said, "If you heard her say that." Was he at the meeting or not?
I like what you said, "your troublemaking group that doesn't exist!" That's like the missing money that isn't missing.
7:29
Are you really that stupid?
The first part of my post was addressed to barrett (wab). I did NOT say he wasn't at the meeting. I asked if he was there. If he wasn't there, my question remains. Who filled him in on the details?
Please notice that the second paragraph was intended for 5:35.
I attended and recorded the meeting of the Election Commission last evening. Anyone who would like a copy can call me on 424-6501.
My interest in the meeting stemmed from last Thursday afternoon when I asked in the election office to see the financial disclosure of the group opposed to the county charter Anyone interested can view the disclosure filed by the citizens for the charter. It is available in the election office.
Despite all meetings being open to the public, yesterday's meeting was not announced. The meeting was arranged because I had asked to see an open record and 'the committee needed to discuss' my request. In addition to members of the election commission, Commissioner Terry Harwell, six members of the public and Mr. Paul Manke of Pulaski Citizen were present.
Despite laws to the contrary, Election Commissioners Henry Inman and Jean Mitchell did not approve of me recording the meeting.
While it's obvious to me that Mr. Rackley is a reasonable candidate for accesssing the machines given his business dealing with computer systems, what
Doesn't make sense is to why there would be any hesitancy will explaining why he (or anyone) had too. If it was maintenance, or a error, or upgrade, the answer
Should have just flowed out as such and easy to
Justify. "because it will save us money?"....how? If I called my washer repair man to look at my washer that was working....wouldn't save me, it'd cost me a device call.
Still waiting for the explanation. Sounds like a call to channel 4 with tips about voter fraud/tampering might make a good investigation without a reasonable answer.
An do t waste your time telling me to "call and ask" I know that, but calling an getting the same answer on here is useless right?
7:11
what does that say about you when the people who are caught abusing their power or being incompetent in their public positions are the most honest people you know? You should really reconsider the group you run with but I do not think any one else would have you.
I really feel sorry and ashamed for 7:11/7:38 if he does not see a problem with this.
You are obviously cg and I understand your natural inclination to defend anyone Mr. Barrett says might be doing something wrong. Now we have Shirley Proud volunteering to give a copy of the recording of the meeting to anyone who wants it. There's the verification.
What business does anyone have accessing voting information early and how could that possibly save money? Mr Rackley may be qualified, but if he's not certified by the election commission, he has no business touching them at all. You said "If you heard her say that, then you know good and well what she meant." What the hell does that even mean?
What about the financial statement? If the pro-charter folks have to file one, why don't the NO-charter people?
Give it some thought before you answer; it's not too late to change your enabling reputation.
If Mr. Rackley has been allowed access to the voting machines I don't think he should be any where near a voting machine considering he sits on the EDC. Having a balanced budget if a charter passes may mean a dissolution of that board if funds are not available. And considering the head of the EDC donating taxpayer money as his own and absolutely nothing being done about it does not fare well with me as a tax payer. I for one think we need to have an outside company come in and check the programming and run validation checks on the machines.
Props to the person on the election commission who spoke up.
I see the troublemakers are out in force. What a stinking shame. And just because barrett accuses someone of doing wrong doesn't mean he or she is. That's his opinion and nothing more.
Where is the proof that someone did something wrong? Isn't Shirley Proud one of the chief instigators in the county?
Yes.
Well was there something wrong with the machine that it needed some maintenance or what? Does anyone know?
There's absolutely no cause for all this troublemaking. There was no cause for barrett and his buddies to stir up trouble and make false insinuations about some of the most honest people I know.
But some people are just so full of hatred and jealousies toward others who hold positions they can't get. They themselves are the blame for that but want to put it off on others. Shameful.
All that is being done is discussion of the topics of an unannounced meeting. How is that stirring up trouble if there has been no wrongdoing? Are you aware of something we are not? I do not want one cent of my tax dollars going to the no charter campaign. So quit attacking those who are not as trusting as you of those who have not earned the tax payers trust. If there is wrong doing, and there is certainly no harm in questioning unclear actions of those in charge of maintaining the integrity of the voting system. If there have been more infractions the issues need to be addressed and investigated. Even though the people in that office are nice it is public knowledge that mistakes have been made and some lax treatment of rules in the past. If any thing is out of compliance screaming fowl at the ones simply discussing it only enables the wrong doing and is not very Christianly.
If they are the most honest people you know that says a lot for the people you hang around with.
I have complete faith in the integrity of the local elections. Barrett lost twice and has his opinion. I have mine.
There most certainly is cause for questioning the process of early voting. I never have liked early voting because I never have trusted it. Those early voting machines are in a room where how many people have access to the machines after hours? At least when you go to the polls on election day, from the time polls open till they close the machine is never left unattended. When are the ballots for early voting counted? Have any of the results been seen ahead of election day and possibly results be given to certain individuals to prompt them to go out and push for last minute votes? The fact that people, certified or not, have access to these early voting machines leaves the door open for voter fraud.
Thank you, Mrs. Proud, for recording the meeting for anyone to hear for themselves instead of relying on rumors and hearsay.
And still no answer as to why anyone accessed the system...till that is answered the process is tainted.
4:13 & 4:21
I would be very careful in what I said about the Prouds. Those folks dont put up with any crap from anybody. Keep it up and you may find your identify revealed. As I said, they dont put up with crap.
Whoa people. It was a election commissioner who questioned Rackley having access to voting machines but you accuse Barrett and followers. Get your facts straight.
5:04
You bet. I only hang around the best of the best. Those honest people currently being crucified are among them. Too bad you have other ideas. To beat all, you don't even know them and allow troublemakers to tell you what to think.
It's a rotten shame that a few unhappy people seem to do their best to trash and belittle those who are doing their very best to do a conscientious job for the people they serve. These attackers seem unrelenting in those efforts.
5:10
I think you are right. I honestly believe the root of this problem can be laid at allen barrett's feet. He lost two elections (landslides)ON HIS OWN and seems to blame anyone and everyone for those defeats (my opinion). It is also my opinion that he is doing his best to cause all the trouble he can for a group of people who are just trying to do their job as honestly and efficiently as they know how. It is a rotten, low-down shame. Oh, by the way, these are the same people who are pushing this charter. Think. and vote NO to the charter.
5:43
I posted 4:21, and it had nothing to do with Shirley Proud. I don't even know her. Just setting the record straight for you. I don't appreciate your threatening me.
Oh yeah, try to scare everyone about the activist Proud family. I see their silly articles written in the paper. They are arm-in-arm with Barrett. Follow the yellow brick road for all I care.
Don't worry 6:24, none of these people are a threat.
Again.....more Barrett and Proud name calling, plu at the charter, troublemakers, SOS......but no answer as to why access to machines.
You won't get any answers from cg. He answers questions that were never asked and remarks upon comments that were never made.
Who said anything about Shirley that was bad?
A commissioner asked the questions at the meeting and she said she had the meeting recorded. I guess the commissioner joined the troublemakers, huh?
Are the machines checked every time before election? I think they should be. If Florida did that a few years ago, the silliness might not of gone on.
Did one or two of the election commission watch David or who ever checks the machine do the checking?
That is something to think about instead of all this whining and trying to run Barrett or anyone else down.
Whether you are talking against Mr. Barrett or Mrs. Bassham, who I think is a great lady, you are acting like children.
The election commissioners did not even know that Mr Rackley was involved with the voting machines, that was a deal between Mrs Bassham and Mr Rackley and was kept secret until the newest election commissioner asked the question.
Was anything wrong done yes it was wrong to have an officer of a political party doing anything to the voting machines. Was elections altered, who knows as all the information is still not known and the election commission tried to hold the meeting without public involvement by not making the advanced announcement as required.
What was the purpose of the election commission meeting anyway, and why was it not announced to the public including what was on the agenda?
7:48
Your last paragraph is a lie.
8:42 The first one is also a lie.
8:42 Why don't you tell us why what was said was a lie and the same for you 9:07.
Why wasn't the meeting announced as required? Why did the commissioners say they didn't know about Rackley doing things with the machines if it wasn't true?
Why does it seem there have been so much problem withe the election office and commission?
9:40
The only problem I've seen with the election office is allen barrett and his buddies.
If you want to know why this meeting was not announced, why don't you call and ask Henry Inman? They were not trying to pull something off behind closed doors.
It's this same old troublemaking attitude that keeps something stirred up. Call Mr. Inman. and then report back what you found out.
Call Annelle Guthrie. She knows.
5:39
Who gives a crap what Inman has to say? If you are so concerned about what Inman has to say why don't you call Inman and report back to us. The actions of those people involved speak volumes and we don't need excuses and cover ups we want the truth. You just hate that the citizens of Giles County are learning to judge based on ones actions instead of the words that are contrary to the actions. Why do you consistently attack Barrett for bringing information to the citizens that should be readily available if the government believed in transparency as opposed to covering up their mistakes and trying to blame Barrett for their actions. But keep on enabling those who do wrong.
I see you wake up early to post. Do you wake up in a cold sweat run to the computer and think of ways to attack Barrett and any citizen that questions public officials actions especially when there is a need. You really should seek Psychiatric help if Barrett consumes you the way you let on.
8:42 what factual information do you have that proves 7:48's last paragraph is a lie. I thought the paragraph stated valid points. I personally agree with the paragraph if that is how the events unfolded. And since the meeting was unannounced what proof do you have to support your lies?
The bottom line is if Rackley touched those machines then something is extremely wrong. I want to know exactly what is going on, what service he performed on the machines, who was supervising him, and why was proper protocol abandoned in the first place to allow him access to the machines. Do we as citizens not have a right to those answers? Seems like this is going to be something else like the missing money that is not missing.
Have those in positions of authorities actions given us any reason to trust them? Oh but these people are the most honest you know. Speaks volumes about you.
8:27
You bet the kind iof people I associate with are honest to a fault, and you just can't stand that, can you? No, you guys want to attack and harass them when they are trying their best to serve the people of Giles County. It's just a shame.
If you will call Mr. Inman or better yet Mrs. Guthrie, your face will be beaming with embarrassment when you find out why this meeting was called. It was because the troublemakers were trying to force the commission to go jump on Jamie Russell. They are not police, so why don't you march right down there to Mr. Russell's business and demand that he tell you something. I think he just might show you the door.
I find it interesting that most businesses around Pulaski are against your charter. Good!
Your ridiculous and a liar as I know a ton of businesses that are for a Charter, I'm one of them. Since you are making formal statements for Inman and Guthrie you call them and report back to us? Why was the meeting not announced and why was some one to allowed to access the voting booths. I like Jamie but disagree with him on the Charter and don't care about his business promoting it but I do have a concern that my tax dollars may be in part funding the printing of no Charter signs. If the no Charter organization is supposed to register and have not then why? I have a right to express those concerns. I don't know why I would be embarrassed by any answer given. And forgive me if I do not just blindly follow your enabling ways and do not buy into your statements as you have been proven a liar time and time again.
The phone number in the book for Mrs. Guthrie is discontinued. Anyone know her number
Didn't Mr Rackley and cg get up set when Mrs. Guthrie was appointed to the election commission?
As for business being for or against the charter not a good idea to let people know how they feel. They could loose customers. Guess cg pushes them to say then she tells it on this blog.
Think I will do all my shopping out of Pulaski.
If this charter passes, which I don't think it will, you can thank Tee Jackson and the school board. I think Tee is the reason the FD passed, then Mrs. Vanzant put incompetent in charge. Look what a mess that is.
Call Mrs. Guthrie. She can put your mind at ease as to why this meeting was called.
I have a question for the troublemakers. Why is it OK for you guys to call anyone of your choosing any nasty name you please and accuse them of all sorts of things but NOT acceptable to say a word about the Prouds? Why is that?
I wouldn't know the Proud's if I met them in the middle of the road.
What did they do that's got cg panties in a wad?
I just spoke with Mrs.Proud, and she seems to have much more sense than many of you on this blog.
She didn't have anything to say that couldn't be proven. That is way more than I can say for you NO sayers.
cg, you say as much nasty stuff about folks on the other side, you just take the time to cover your lying ass when you do. I'm sure God understands what you mean, even with all your "ifs" and "oh, that was a typo" and " I wasn't calling him stupid, just saying he acted that way." I'm afraid you stand as much chance getting through that needle-eye RIDING the camel as you do waltzing through the pearly gates.
You can only ride the fence so long before it starts leaving marks.
Attend the meeting at the Rec center and prove your allegations, if you have nothing to fear. Hell, wear a ski-mask and disguise your voice; you might make it out un-exposed. With all your influince, you should be able to turn this into a slam-dunk.
The only time I've ever seen anyone afraid of information is when they don't know what they might learn and suspect it may not match the propaganda they've spread.
Ray Lanier
Ray,
I had the wrong impression of you. I had always treated you with respect because I thought you deserved it. Oh well.
No, I won't be at your meeting this evening. I've already voted against the charter and am busy working to get others to do the same.
Let's just see how it plays out. We plan to defeat you guys on this one. And for those who vote yes to the charter, I just hope they will not look back with regret when it's too late.
One last thing for you. I don't fear one thing I have done before God with respect to working against the charter. Thanbk you.
Ray,
I forgot to ask. Could you address the question I asked at 12:57?
I noticed that the charter folks flooded the paper with their letters this week. as that coincidental? I doubt it. I'm not too worried about that, because people know most of them are the regulars who write letters to the editor.
cg says he is busy getting others to vote no for the charter, if that is so someone knows who he is. He probably was the one sent out the anonymous letter so he wouldn't be expose.
4:21
Wrong again. You're not very bright, are you?
Is the charter going to be "change we can believe in" sorta like Obama promised us. Obamacare can probably be repealed; I'm not sure about this charter. e must defeat it before it is imposed on us all.
3:06, since I am not a troublemaker, I didn't realize you were addressing the question to me.
It seems to be acceptable for people on both sides -- yourself included -- to hurl insults. It's most certainly not coming strictly from the Pro Charter faction.
I have been called everything on this blog that you have and more, except an enabler, and that could happen any day. I've learned to let the statements I know to be untrue just kind of pass. You know, dry my eyes and move on with my life.
I'll have my opinion, I'll state my opinion, and I'll sign my opinion, for as long as I comment on this blog. Until what I write starts affecting my sleep, I figure I'm doing ok.
Sorry if I lost your respect, that was never my intention. I was just raised to call it like I see it. That's a hard habit to break. Would you rather I had signed anonymously?
Ray Lanier
Ray,
No, I can't say you lost my respect. I have always been respectful of you, and would never resort to calling you names.
I would rather you just continue to be honest. I believe you are.
As for this charter thing and the troublemakers in this county, these are issues I feel quite passionately about. Please know that I too want to call it the way I see it as well. Take care.
Has there ever been this sort of trouble among the election commissioners before? I don't think so. Is one of them trying to get something stirred up? I'm just asking. Thanks.
As is your right, 6:06; as is your right.
Ray Lanier
While some have made absolute assurances that the voting machines can not possibly be tampered with and are 100% reliable I continue to have a problem with such assurances especially in light of the following information all involving the Microvote Inifinity voting machines as used in Giles county.
Indiana: State Enforces Action Against Errant Voting System Vendor
Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita Press Release April 04, 2008
Secretary of State Todd Rokita moves to collect fines and fees totaling more than $360,000.00
This week, Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita’s office filed a Petition to collect civil penalty fees from voting systems vendor, MicroVote General Corp. totaling more than $360,000. The Secretary's Office filed the Petition just as the appeals process is near completion on a July 2007 administrative ruling. The ruling ordered MicroVote to pay the State more than $360,000 in civil penalties and investigative costs stemming from 198 violations of Indiana election law.
"The Secretary of State's Office will not tolerate voting system vendors that violate Indiana's election laws," stated Deputy Secretary of State Matt Tusing. "Moreover, MicroVote's apathetic attitude towards proper certification is disconcerting, especially considering that their profits come from taxpayer dollars.”
Tennessee: Problems with MicroVote Prompt Candidates To Call For A Revote
By Warren Stewart August 09, 2006
"There is a cloud over this and I think it needs to be lifted." Problems with MicroVote Infinity voting machines led to long lines and delayed results in several Tennessee counties in last week's primary and candidates in at least one county are demanding a revote. MicroVote equipment was used in 45 of Tennessee’s 95 counties. They are the same machines that led caused a meltdown in Canada’s first experiment with electronic voting last November.
The Stewart-Houston Times reported that Stewart County Election Commssion member Ronnie Byrd noticed that vote totals generated by MicroVote technicians exceeded the number of voters in some districts.
June 2004 Infinity Jasper County, South Carolina. Results of the June 8 election were certified before the county noticed that there were 1500 more ballots counted than the number of voters who signed in to vote.
November 2003: Indiana – Electronic vote-tabulation equipment reported that 140,000 votes had been cast in a county of 50,000 residents.
Mr. Barrett,
What do you suggest? How about paper ballots again?
Thanks for not blaming the election commission people for problems with the machines they are given for use. Those are the most honest and conscientious people I know, and it's just a shame that some choose to maliciously attack them and question their integrity. I'm sure you would never do that. Thanks.
Then why are those people doing things that lead the public to question their motives? Why not follow proper procedures? Since you defend them with such vigor why was an un-certified person allowed access to the booths? Who was there to supervise and was there a log created on what procedures were done to the booth down to twisting a screw.
Do these booths use memory cards for the programs? Were any memory cards replaced? Was any hardware replaced. But the real question is why was a certified technician not called in?
The public is often led like sheep by a few troublemakers who are the ones actually questionning every single thing that is done. Pathetic.
8:17 According to Election Commission members, certified technicians 'don't know what they are doing' and, 'by not using them it saves the county $2,000'.
cg, what happen to your religion?
"4:21
Wrong again. You're not very bright, are you?"
I had also thought if you were out trying to get votes why didn't someone think you might be the Christian Gentleman posting on the blog.
I heard a rumor that someone in the finance office didn't change the toilet paper roll after they used all of it. Can someone please confirm or deny this? I am disturbed that proper protocol wasn't used for this procedure.
I also heard that one of the commissioers stepped on a spider and didn't pick it up out of the courthouse floor. I hope Barrett will check on this and report back to us. This would be in direct line with his usual topics.
Would the charter prevent those things from happening again? How could people be so careless with the taxpayer's money?
9:36
Wrong again. You really are stupid, aren't you?
Those who know me know I'm a Christian and a gentleman. The only reason I mention it on here is because of the flat-out lie allen barrett told on me and because those like you think I am a female.
You really seem rather dull in the intelligence department.
6:40
I also heard that Roger Strickland used the wrong broom for sweeping off the sidewalks. I think barrett should sneak up there with his camera and try to capture that on video. No, the so-called charter will not prevent any of these "corrupt" acts from taking place.
Pretty crazy all this enabling of wrong doing going on this morning. The sanctity of the Giles County voting system is tainted and all you care about is how some one wipes there ass. Seems right since that is where you keep your head.
Are you still claiming to be a Christian gentleman? I don't think Jesus would enable all the wrong doing of which you are strongly in support. To 6:40/7:02 If you trust the un-certified one so much why don't you start showing us how trustworthy all these people are. Give them unlimited access to your bank accounts, house, car, etc. Report back to us in a couple of month's with how you are doing with the most honest people you know and then maybe we will give them access to the voting booths. But I do not have the blind faith in those who have not earned my trust. lol
Barrett is about to post something else about the activities of public officials, better rest up so you can continue your attacks.
7:22
As I said, I am a Christian and so are most of the ones you and your buddies so eagerly crucify. However, I think there's a troublemaker on board or at least an insider for them, and there's the problem. I also believe a lot of people saw this coming. Why not let that individual do the job David was doing? Would that make you guys happy?
As for barrett, I'm sure he will be posting more attacks any day now. Isn't it impressive how many friends he has made over the past few years? But how do you know he's about to release another of his "exclusive reports" on this blog? Why doesn't he do the same about the McAlister situation?
To 6:40 and 7:02
It’s not surprising that some in the Financial Management Office would have trouble with the toilet paper they don’t seem to handle much of the other paperwork very well either.
I heard after the commissioner stepped on the spider they were struck with incredible remorse at finding it was actually a one of their supporters carrying a vote no on the charter sign. The commissioner explained the reason for not cleaning it off the floor, as “it was only brains and not enough bother with”.
You asked, “would the charter prevent those things from happening again”. I must admit that as great as the Charter is it only offers an opportunity for the people of Giles County to have more involvement in county business and more accountability from their employees, it cannot infuse intelligence into those satisfied with their own ignorance nor can it create compassion in the self-righteous.
You ask, “How could people be so careless with the taxpayer's money?” I could not agree with you more on that point and that is the very reason the Charter is needed.
I’m trying to understand how calling 9:36 “Stupid” fits in with your great civility toward those with opposite views. Oh, I get it, “You really are stupid, aren't you?” is a question not a statement. I guess it’s like “You really are an enabler of wrongdoing, aren’t you?”
I can’t imagine anyone accusing you of being a female, you’re obviously much to effeminate for that. Maybe, wuss, wimp, sissified would be more accurate? Notice I’m not calling you those things just asking a question.
As for getting Roger Strickland on film sweeping off the sidewalks, I would have more luck getting film of Bigfoot, Darth Vader, Elvis and Yoda at the same table eating lunch at The Hickory House. Since he no longer cuts the grass at the post office he seems harder to find. Would he be easier to film if the locks were removed from his and Dan Watson’s offices?
You are right the Charter will not prevent any acts of corruption any more than it will make you more truthful but it will certainly expose the corruption quicker, and give the tools for correction and punishment.
7:40
Since McAlister and the Pulaski Police were listed in the case call them. I'm sure they will tell you all you want to know and then you can report back to us. If you really care that is, or are you just snidely attacking Barrett? Would Christ snidely attack?
Who is the est man for the Tax Ass. job. I don't know either of the two.
wab
There you go again with your condescending and smart-aleck comments. You really can't help it, can you?
I asked your buddy and defender if he or she is stupid because that is exactly how he's acting (describing behavior). Even Forrest Gump said that stupid is as stupid does.
No, I am not an enabler of wrongdoings. Lest you forget, it was YOU who told that lie on me, and I hate to keep having to remind you.
Question. Is it true that your buddy Parr was a lifelong Democrat before Haslam ran for governor? Is that true? I think he's claiming to be a lifelong conservative. Can you enlighten the readers about that? Also, was he not recently heckled at an event in Lawrenceburg? Is that true? Why?
My vote went to Barry Doss and NO to the charter you claim is so grand and needed. And I promise to be out there working for those two issues I believe in every day I possibly can. Just because people like me oppose what a small group is trying to push over on us does not mean we are lacking in brain cells. No, we see clearly what's going on.
You suggest that I am sissy, a wuss, etc. Is that very becoming of a "man of God"? You have no idea how unlike a sissy I am.
A new name for cg, Forrest Gump. I agree stupid is as stupid does, sounds like cg to me.
That post was hilarious, Mr.B. cg must have got his sense of humor shot off in the war?
You know you're just wasting your time though, don't you? He'll never get it?
Let's see, period, question mark,question mark and question mark. Yep, looks like my ass is covered.
Ray Lanier
Shameful.
When you're the dumbest person in the room you'll always think everyone else who speaks is condescending to you.
VOTE "YES" FOR THE CHARTER cg OBVIOUSLY REALLY ENVIES ..
You are wrong about Roger cutting the grass at the psot office. I saw Roger and his wife doing it on Sunday afternoon. July,22,2012. MAYBE IF YOU WOULD GET OFF YOUR STUPID HIGH HORSE AND COME DOWN HERE WITH US COMMON FOLKS YOU COULD GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!! This man is simply trying to make a honest dollar doing a job you probably think you are too good to do. I have listened for years to your stupid rantings and ravings. Grow up, we do not like you here, and if you are so unhappy then move!!!
You are in the majority Wanda. Pay no attention to the ramblings of the old fool and his few cohorts. Ray is just as big an idiot. Thanks for your input.
Well cg, You said you had been out getting no votes for the charter and Doss. Do you really believe no one knew who you was? Did you not tell your name when you as for them to vote?
If no one knows who you are and you are trying to get No votes for charter what else can I think but you sent out the flyers?
So you don't think I'm very bright for asking that. You must be an idiot then if that's the way you feel.
I am not CG and I think you are an idiot as well 6:26.
6:54 If you're not cg why did you answer?
You sound like our president.
Because I want you to know there is more than one person thinking you are a moron.
Wanda.
I applaud your post. This is what I've been telling the troublemakers for a long time. As far as I'm concerned, they can hit the road if they don't like it here. We got along just fine without them, and I am sure we can continue on in that same fashion.
They just can't stand it that we ordinary folks don't appreciate them. They think they have all the answers, and we don't want to hear them. If you choose to disagree with them on anything, they do their best to bully and intimidate you into silence and call you all sorts of nasty names. Vulgarity is no stranger to some of them.
The saddest thing is that they pick on honest and hard-working people of their choosing just as they are doing right now. That will only go so far with some folks. I'm afraid there's going to be serious trouble if this doesn't stop soon.
Don't forget for a second that these are ther SAME people who are pushing this so-called charter. They claim they are merely concerned for people having a voice in government. Don't fall for that. Join us and let's defeat this thing before it is imposed on the people of Giles County.
Vote No to the charter on election day, and let's send these people a message that we don't want to change our present form of government.
I talked with a couple today that had moved here a few years ago from a northeast state and they were telling how much they like living here.
So maybe that is the way other people that have moved here feel.
I didn't mention charter or election to them. I think they are smart enough to read and know what they want to do. I don't want them to think everybody wants to tell them what they should do if they live in our great county, just because they was born and lived somewhere else.
8:42 Great post very religious and smart.
Of course you don't want to change your government with "this thing, the so-called charter." I understand perfectly! You are allowed to take money from people's paychecks and hold until it catches up with you, sue people who report a possible crime even though the police and magistrate do the investigating and arresting, allow unauthorized personal access to voting machines before and after elections, allow people to be candidates for a particular office and at the (literal) last minute change which office they are running for, and not even have the qualified number of signatures to be on the ballot. You are allowed to have secret government meetings, and slander people who object to this law breaking act. You slander and libel PRIVATE citizens who dislike these illegal and unethical practices, who practice their freedom of speech by writing letters to the editor of the local paper but threaten lawsuits when these same people dare to even ask a question of a public official. And you never ever explain something that is a proven fact of illegality, with the mentality of "if you don't like the facts, then ignore them and they will go away." Everything you know or should know is swept under the rug and never to be spoken of again, or you are labeled a trouble maker. One can easily understand why the education requirement for public officials is so troubling as well as the nepotism clause. And the vast majority of you have not even read the charter because you claim it was written for people who want to be elected but can't get elected the "normal" way, which is I presume by using a ballot box that has not been tampered with. Here is a twist. Giles County is still part of the U.S.A. and still must live under the basic tenets of the Constitution and you can't do things your way, no matter if you have continually broken the law or behaved unethically for 200 years, so if you don't like that fact, then you head out for Gilligan's Island and create your own crooked government. Because, like it or not, private citizens who have ethics are going to expose you criminals and "dirty" politicians and we are going to enjoy the "Land of Milk and Honey", just as the laws of the land say we are entitled to. And if we elected someone who engages in something we don't like or understand, that official with GLADLY explain their actions to us, because they work for us and they owe us much much more than we owe them. Yeah us outsiders and most of the "insiders" are gonna clean up this place. And enabler, you may as well take the first bus out, but as a final act, please teach your closest relative the name of our former Governor so she doesn't embarrass you further. "Bred-e-son" not "Bres-e-dem"! (Please note that was phonetic spelling only!) Yeah keep posting enabler, your cover is blown!
To Wanda, I have no problem with roger cutting the grass at the post office or anywhere else, it's an honorable job, on his time. The problem I was referring to was the fact he was cutting the grass at the post office during the day when he was being paid to work at the courthouse. That was stopped but now he hides out in Dan Watson's office and his office or running from office to office delivering the mail. What you will not see is him sweeping the sidewalks regardless of how many cigarettes Terry Harwell throws on the ground.
By the way I consider all honest work as honorable and reason for pride and I will be glad to compare my work record with yours anytime and guarantee you would never have even attempted some of the jobs I've had.
9:13,
I am not religious, but I am very smart. That is why I prefer to call you a moron. I would be happy to discuss this personally with you if you continue to act childish and ignorant.
I tell you what Barrett, I take offense to you talking to Wanda like that. She called you out for telling a lie and you make it personal with her. The only job you have is being the county dumbass. I don't respect you for anything you have ever done in life. You are as low as the scum that collects on bathroom tiles.
What you fail to understand is that you are not liked in this town. You deserve every negative remark that can be made about you. How does it feel to be the most laughed at person in Giles County? You might come back with some clever remark, but I know it rips you apart inside to know you are fighting a battle you will never win. You are useless. You always have been and always will be.
It seems cg has lots of names, but has finally lost his religion.
Mr. Barrett tell us about the meeting tonight. I thought it was going to be on WKSR, but wasn't.
9:53 I addressed Wanda with a much nicer attitude than she addressed me.
Please pray tell what did I lie about?
If I remember correctly I never asked for your respect or anything else and since I don't owe you any money I really could not care less what you think about me or anything else.
By the way, as you try to tell what lie I told how about telling how you know what I feel inside? Talk about a high horse assuming to know what another person feels is as arrogant as you can get.
9:36
There you go promoting the lie aqllen barrett told on me that I enable wrongdoings. It was a lie when he told it and remains as such today.
You mentioned former governor Bredesen. What on earth are you talking about? I am a conservative (no longer a Republican), but I have far more respect for Phil Bredesen than I do for our illustrious governor by the name of Haslam. What a rat!
9:53
Although I wouldn't resort to calling wab names, I agree with the substance of your post. He is not only laughed at but, more importantly, is generally despised. I don't think he cares. Isn't that what he just said in his 10:14 post? He could care less what people think of him. My opinion of him ranks among the lowest.
A friend called me this evening wanting to know about the charter. It took me less than two minutes to convince him and his other four registered family members to go vote NO to it. Great!
I will keep on working to see this thing defeated.
A lot of these post today make me think of how Terry Harwell lost his cool at the chili cook off.
One I really find stupid is calling WAB out for replying to Wanda, but was alright for that person to post back to Barrett.
Kettle calls the pot black or is it pot calls kettle black.
There sure is a lot of hate in the air.
10:37 only two minutes to think up enough lies to convince someone to vote against the charter . Bet you didn't tell them a reason for voting against the charter.
Really 6:05. You are really that insecure and jealous that you have to arbitrarily toss insults out for no discernable reason?
You're a sad little man and I have nothing but pity for you. Maybe tomorrow when your mother is tying your shoes you can ask her how to act like a big boy. Might be a sucker in it for you. Ohhh...got yer nose!
Ray Lanier
Oh cg, you shoulda been there. We had to take a fifteen minute break when your name was mentioned. Talk about a lsughing stock. My my, it was a great ice-breaker, though. Even Cobb got a chuckle out of that.
This one guy in particular said, " Geez, I finally told him I would vote against the damned thing just to get him to shut up. My gosh, it was getting on my nerves."
You've got quite a reputation. Both your family and your two friends should be very proud.
Wow - this blog, Giles Free Speech Zone, which is hosted by Mr. Barrett and Mr. McPeters is very informative and entertaining. I was just recently told about this website a few months ago and I would have to say that if they would post the county's property transfers, the General Sessions Court docket and the Pulaski Stockyard cattle market report, I would let my annual subscription to the Pulaski Citizen lapse next year.
This is truely mud-slinging at its best. Have you all considered going into cage fighting as a side job?
The grammar used in the responses are often atrocious and full of typos. And, it seems the responses by those who apparently don't like Mr. Barrett are more grevious than the others. What I really like, however, is how the disscussion thread decays exponentially into a hate filled diatribe that is irrelevant to the article posted on the main page.
And to that end,I hereby post my contribution sans the hate-filled obloquy.
“Sometimes the questions are complicated and the answers are simple.”
― Dr. Seuss
I don't mind calling cg a wuss,wimp,sissy and just plain old coward for not showing up at the meeting tonight.
How committed can you be to something if you do not even take the chance to back up some of the crap you've been spouting.
Everyone that wanted to speak had that right, as would you, had you been there. Pure cowardice to snipe from your closet and then pull the door shut behind you when you could possibly make a difference. Tsk tsk tsk...you're miles from being a man.
Ray Lanier
Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:37:00 PM, by the way - several people on this blog site have requested as to what specific items in the proposed Charter that they are in opposition. If you convinced your friend and 4 of his family members to vote against the Charter in 2 minutes, please reiterate those items here on this blog. It shouldn't take too long to do that would it?
I want to be an informed voter and if you have something constructive to add to the discussion I am more than willing to consider what you have to say.
Don't you agree that in America we have a right to disagree with each other in a civil manner, but at the same time will fight to the death to protect that freedom from all enemies of this nation, both foreign and domestic?
So be fair with the people watching and participating in this discussion and state what items in the proposed Charter disagree with and why? How else could convince your friend and 4 members of his family? I'm certainly anxiously wanting to know.
Thank you.
12:16 They simply say, "Look who is behind it." That is the only reason they can think of. Sad but true.
WAB:
Your post at 9:39pm last night was creepy, to say the least. Have you stooped so low that you are either A)hiding in the shadows or B)sitting in your vehicle, and watching T. Harwell's actions. Knowing how many cigarettes he smokes and throws down sounds a lot like the actions of a stalker. This is just my opinion. If I heard that someone knew that much information on me, I'd be creeped out. I know you are in your retirement. You seem to have way too much extra time on your hands if you are doing something like keeping tabs on an individual's smoking habits. Have you thought of partaking in a volunteer opportunity. You could adopt a mile on a highway, and clean up some cigarette butts, since you are so concerned about the amount on the ground. Maybe if you had positive activities to keep you busy, you wouldn't have time to obsess over trivial things such as this.
ray
Call me names if you must, but you and your buddies won't stop my efforts against things I believe to be wrong. The last time I looked at the Constitution I noticed that we STILL have a right to express ourselves and to vote for and support things of our choosing. And we should be able to do those things without being called names, bullied, or threatened.
My views differ from yours; that somehow makes me wrong? No, it doesn't. And the reson I didn't come to that meeting is because I do not want to be around the troublemakers. I knew they would be there, so I stayed at home...not that it's any of your business.
Oh, trust me; I am making a difference out there, and we fully intend to beat you and your buddy barrett on this charter issue. I believe the charter is wrong for Giles County, and it is my right to work to see it go down in defeat. Let me share this with you. Several people I have talked to are very aware of the group who is behind this thing. THAT is getting the easy votes against it. THAT alone is reason to vote NO to the charter. Of course, there are others, but those seem the most glaring.
You may be thinking I'm the one who called you an idiot in one of the above posts. That was not me. I may THINK you are a complete idiot and proselyte of allen barrett, but I have a bit more class than to get into name-calling. You would do well to be more tolerant of others who differ with you.
Lastly, I just had to laugh about the obloguy comment. Was that a reference to you or to barrett? What a scream!
7:09
AMEN!
Do you have to be a stalker to know that someone is standing outside the courthouse annex smoking and throwing their butts on the ground?
I have business at the bank everyday and have seen Mr. Harwell on a number of occasions smoking and throwing his butts on the ground.
I couldn't care less what he does but when it is right there in front of you you can't really miss it.
This is what I truly think is going on here in Giles County. Tell me if I am wrong.
For the past few years a small group of unhappy people have been slowly but surely sowing seeds of hate and distrust for county officials who are just trying to do the jobs they were either elected or appointed to do.
This same group has tried to get key people into several positions and have had very little luck. They can't get elected. That being the case, they have stepped up the pace in trying to get people to see our elected officials as "corrupt" and inept. That has gained some traction, because a few of them really should be voted out of office. That is the real voice the people have. It's the same everywhere, and we don't need a new form of government.
Now that those seeds of distrust and resentment have been sufficiently planted and allowed to germinate, guess what comes next? That's right, it's the charter. This same group is pushing that. The timing is right because of all the hate and distrust that they themselvesm have caused by the relentless attacks and smearing of county officials. Surely, people will see their agenda and not roll over for this. If I'm right (and I think I am), that is exactly why we have a vote on this thing in August.
Please say no to these people by voting NO to the charter. Once we get it, we just might be stuck with it. Think about that. There are just too many unanswered questions about this thing to vote it in. We are a small county.
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Oh, they will be right back on the attack for sure.
1:11
I have a question for you and please answer it to the best of your ability. Have you read the charter? If you have please elaborate and tell us why it is so bad. I am looking for just one person to tell me why it is a bad thing. No one has stepped up yet. I have heard the troublemakers are trying to get it passed. I have heard we don't need it. I have heard that we won't be able to get rid of it. None of those are solid for me. I need a specific item in the charter that you are against. Please help me out.
Deh
The big thing I am concerned about truly is the ones behind it as was elaborated above. I believe they have a self-serving agenda for power and control, and that troubles me. These are not the people most Giles Countians want in charge of things. I know this from being out and about and hearing the chatter. And, put smply, I just don't see where it is needed. We are not Memphis or Knoxville. We got along just fine before a troublesome few got all this mess started, and I do believe it's for the reason I just mentioned.
Yes, I've read the charter. On the surface, it looks benign enough. But it's those uncertainties coupled with those individuals who are behind it that concern me.
Thanks my friend.
2:28
Well I will be honest with you. I think the tax thing is the biggest concern to me. Right now as it sits the county commission can raise taxes if they so choose. Wheel tax or property tax whichever they think would bring in the most revenue to help the county out. As I understand in 2006 we had a surplus in the budget of 6 million and now that money is gone and we are dipping into the hospital fund to help run the county. This is money that was never supposed to have to be touched. Now if the commissioners see fit they could raise our taxes to get us out of the hole. Well if they do that will they pay the money back to the hospital fund? I guess that will remain to be seen. My big thing is they can raise taxes whenever they want. I would like to know where all the money went that we had as a surplus and now is no where to be found. If they raise taxes will they use the money wisely or will they blow what they make by raising taxes. I think I would like a little more say in the way tax dollars are gotten. I think I am like everyone else. I don't want to be taxed to death but I do understand that it is a necessary evil. I think there is a point to be made that will it ever pass if the people had to vote on raising taxes. Not sure if it would or not but I think I would like that comfort of knowing that I would know when taxes might be going up instead of being blindsided. My opinion.
Deh
Of course, I'm concerned about taxes as well. I recently read an article where another county had seen an increase in as much as 43% for several of the services they provide its citizens. That money is spent on such things if those services are to continue, and there's not much way around it. Now I would not uphold unscrupulous politicians who just arbitrarily raise our taxes. That's not fair, and I do not believe that is happening without justification.
I do know that department heads have trimmed their budgets as much as they can. And I just do not believe the troublemakers who say county offices have too many employees (relatives) who sit around and do nothing all dya. That's just not true. I went to one of those offices yesterday and theyw ere absolutely covered up.
I do respect your opinion, and am glad you and I can discuss this issue without the usual name-calling and derogatory remarks that are made here.
Yep you are wrong about the charter, 1:11. You asked us to correct you on that point. Here is an idea: Try reading it. Seriously. Why you would let Mr. Barrett or anyone tell you how to vote is beyond me. To the poster who keeps asking why the enabler won't give a reason other than "the group behind it." Good luck. Four years ago, I literally begged for a reason to vote for Janet and all I got from him was statements such as she didn't need or want my vote and I should leave town and how dare I even ask for a reason for voting for her. I asked as a newcomer to Giles CO. and the enabler really rolled out the welcome mat. I named him at that time, Rabid due to his weird support of Janet and his hysterical response if a question was asked about her record, from someone who had no prior knowledge. I believe it was about that time that Mr. Barrett exposed his enabling posts so that name stuck. But whatever name one chooses, you'll not find by any stretch of a definition, CHRIST like behavior (I would NEVER say someone wasn't a Christian) or gentlemanly posts from this person. Unless you are referring to those so called "gentleman's club". My opinion of his responses and those clubs are the same, garbage. My point is, don't look for solid evidence for his position on any issue, and as for his indignation at being called an enabler? Many have asked him to condemn PROVEN wrongs committed and the people who were responsible for them. HE (or she) won't and always uses the word, "if". Like I said, facts are irrelevant to Rabid. Facts like Ms. Garner publicly said she took money from a fund that was off limits and would do so again, Rabid the enabler says "if" she did anything wrong or facts like money was taken from teachers checks for 3 months to pay insurance, yet over 200 teachers got letters from the ins company threatening cancellation because premiums had not been paid and Rabid says "if" something was done wrong, even though Garner was the BOSS of the office. It's the inability to take a stand (except against Mr. Barrett, who some of us have never met) that earned the name enabler. Rabid also fits. One has to simply read his support in the glaring situations of obvious questionable ethical activity to understand. No reasoning whatsoever. Yet he accuses others of being intolerant. Just ask him any question that might not line up with his beliefs. You can go back and read the fireworks when I as a new voter wanted to vote for the incumbant but had a few questions. It's almost like the Bill of Rights belong to only a select few in his or her mind. Oh yeah I better post like Rabid does. This little phrase at the end of a tirade makes it in his mind a Christian gentlemanly thing to say: (my opinion)
To the enabler, do you really think making a post then answering that post as a different persona is fooling anyone. Are you not intentionally misleading or trying to mislead people? It's things like that will keep me from ever referring to you as some other posters choose to do. You are an enabler and you are rabid in your support of officials whether they are wrong or right. You are also rabid in your disdain for slandering private citizens but take a rabid stance against private citizens who exercise their Constitutional right by questioning public officials. Slamming people for asking questions, ANY question of a public official is anti- American. It's just that simple. I would say that you've earned much harsher names than "enabler". You might want to cut your losses here. (just my opinion)
Who is behind the charter? I always see comments about troublemakers but do not have names to go with the name calling from the attacker. In my book that is the dumbest reason to vote against something because of who one idiot perceives to be behind a tool to make the government accountable fiscally.
Right now our government has proven for almost a decade they can not balance a budget.
When they can no longer hide their money shifting techniques to fool the tax payers they make feeble excuses as with the school system. We have lost students for the last 5 years but number of employees in the school system increased to service fewer students and our money is not wasted. I'm still waiting for an answer to the missing money that is not missing.
For the last twenty years we have been the only county in this are to have a consistent reduction in population but government increase, raises are implemented, county commissioners vote themselves more money to attend meetings even know they knew what the pay was before they were elected.
When unemployment is as high as it is and no one is getting raises in the public sector and private sector businesses continue to hurt and lay off people you bet your money that I want a say in my taxes being raised.
All that raising taxes right now will do is continue the blank check policy that our local government has adopted and put a further burden on the citizens. Th bottom line is if a county can not afford a service then that service should not be offered, raises should not be given and fiscal accountability should be adhered to.
After talking with others and in light of the actions of those in office and those who use my tax dollars to fund a no charter campaign we are all voting yes for the charter. And yes we are all born and raised in Giles County as were past generations of my family.
If it is not broke don't fix it but when it is broken then fix it.
A vote yes for the Charter will give the citizens what they need and that is fiscal accountability.
4:35 and 4:48 (deanna?)
I see you just can't help promoting the lie allen barrett told that I willfully go along with and support wrongdoing. He lied, and you are lying as well by enabling it. Ironically, you are the enabler. What a laugh.
Now, on to other matters. You said I made a post and then answered it. That is also a lie. Why can't you just calm down and be truthful?
Let me tell you what I am rabid about. I am rabidly in love with Giles County. I am rabidly against the charter that you guys are pushing. I am vehemently opposed to the name-calling and personal attacks you people inflict on those who don't deserve such low-down treatment. That's right; I SAID it is low-down and it's too bad if you don't want to hear the truth about it.
Pray tell, who have I slandered? Cut my losses? No way. We are going to defeat the charter, and that is a huge win for the people of Giles County who may not even appreciate it at this point.
No, I'm not trying to mislead anyone. I have a Constitutional right to work for and support things I believe in and fight against things I believe to be wrong. We all have that same right, but it doesn't seem to resonate well with you guys when it comes to people like me and MANY others who oppose the charter. We believe it is wrong for us.
4:53(deanna??)
Question. Let's suppose you guys are successful in getting this charter in place. Will you vote for a tax increase when it is put to a referendum vote or will you sit back and accuse county officials of mismanaging your tax dollar because the tax base has fallen and because the cost of doing county buisiness has gone through the roof? Will you be out there trying to convince people to vote for a tax increase for elected officials whom the troublemakers are accusing of wasting taxpayer money? They will laugh in your face. Could you comment on that?
7:18, since you got such a good laugh off me, I have to ask you: What the hell is "the obloguy comment?". I would like a good laugh as well, but I can't find where the word exists. I'm sure it must be a word or a man such as yourself would not have used it.
Please enlighten us, if you don't mind. Oh, proselyte was a good word, although you used it out of context. I am not new to anything, except trying to explain something to a rock-headed imbecile like yourself. It's not too late to change,cg. Come on,you can do it. Just feel the love all up in here.
Ray Lanier
You act like your life has been very troubled Ray. Have you been ridiculed or picked at in the past? Maybe even now? I can only assume that your life hasn't turned out as you planned. You definitely have a heightened sense of self. Maybe you have always thought you held a higher social status than you do? There is no doubt that you have some social and mental inefficiencies that need to be cured. You may be a big man, but you are a weak one. Putting your name on this blog and calling names doesn't make you a tough guy, it makes you an idiot. Men don't act like you do. In fact, children with self-esteem problems carry your same personality traits. I think it is safe to say that you have overstayed your welcome.
ray
I posted 7:18 but NOT 8:28. I just wanted you to know.
Thanks for the clarification, 9:48. Oh no, 8:28, you have forced me to turn my gaze inward and look at myself. Well, I don't like what I see. You mean I could become more socially and mentally efficient? Wow, think of the time I'd save. I feel ill thinking about the way I have obvio...never mind, I think it was just gas.
You're right, I'll never be half the woman you are, so I guess I should just start making nonsensical posts and signing them anonymously and then -- aw hell, I can't do that, people would think I was you.
Ray Lanier
BTW, you are personally invited to my going-away party. You can even be the Master of Ceremonies -- sunglasses and trench coat optional. Dumbass.
David Rackley should be immediately taken off "technician" duty. He has no business dealing directly with the voting machines in any way. There's a reason why outside technicians are used. I'd MUCH rather have $2000 of my tax dollars going to paying a technician than allowing Rackley to have ANYTHING to do with the voting machines. He has tampered with voting tallies in the past and he will do so again if not reprimanded now.
Someone should share this situation with one of the news channels. Rackley has a VERY obvious conflict of interest and it sounds like nothing will be done here locally to remedy to problem.
Bottom Line: Rackley is an election commissioner and cannot and should not be trusted to handle any voting materials directly.
11:10, you should here the tape of the meeting. It will turn your stomach to hear their excuses.
Ray Lanier
Ray,
I am sure it would - Excuses to hide the truth behind their years of election abuse. We all know ballots have been tampered with in the past...and now we finally know WHY.
Rabid, you ask me to comment on something yet you refuse to comment on the very specific violations that have been proven and admitted to by officials. Hence the name enabler and you will in your reply enable again. Watch for it guys, "if" will be used to justify taking teacher's money.
To the one who wants to know who rabid is accusing of being behind everything that brings government dealings to light. It's Alan Barrett. I believe he has a listed number. I've along with many INTELLIGENT posters have never met him but Rabid has these conspiracy theories; By the way, Mr. Barrett signs his posts, the enabler does not so basically he is ticked because an anonymous poster was given a fitting title. Go figure.
6:52
you would not know the truth if it bit you on the ass. You lie all the time and expect any one to take your word. You just hate the truth is that your buddies holding public positions are having a hard time hiding their wrong doing no matter how much you enable their and your actions. And so far this blog has been the only media channel that reports what is going on in our government. It is hard to hide in the shadows when light is shown on you. It is hard to continue with the lies when documented proof is available to the citizens so they may see the truth. The fact that many native Giles Countians support the charter and your buddies closed door policies days are numbered even if the Charter does not pass and you can not stand that.
You keep claiming how all these people that evidince has been brought out of their mistakes are the most honest people you know. How is that when you do not know what honesty is?
Ray,
I'm afraid you went a bit far this time. You would be lying about ballot tampering here in Giles County, so I have to assume you are talking about the fiasco involving the stinking liberal, al gore. I would like to see the local commission sue your pants off if you are accusing them of that. People like you and barrett accuse some of the finest people I have ever known of things I would bet my life on that they would NEVER do. eople who know them best despise what you and your buddies are trying to do.
I also think David Rackley has grounds for suing Annelle Guthrie. I believe she is responsible for all this trouble. But of course people like you and your pal barrett are more than happy to agitiate and make it even worse. Guthrie was believed to be a troublemaker before she got on the commission, and how she got there to begin with is something that makes me sick to my stomach. So, I know how you feel about nausea.
By the way, how did you gain access to the tape of that meeting? I thought you guys never met?
Ray,
My apologies for saying the commission ought to sue your pants off. I thought that 11:30 quote was from you. That person needs to step up to the plate and tell us who he or she is. I didn't think you would be stupid enough to make an accusation like that and sign your name to it. My bad.
Come on 11:30; tell the readers who you are. Don't be a coward at a time like this. Make history.
deanna
Why do you keep promoting the low-life lie allen barrett told on me that I willfully go along with wrongdoings? The very fact that I don't go along with you guys proves that to be a lie. Think.
Conspiracy theories? Oh please; I can't stop laughing. You have never met allen barrett, and the group never meets. Heck, the group doesn't even exist. Unbelievable!
You know what bothers you people the most? Here it is. You guys just never thought there would be so much resistance to what you are trying to do. This is particularly obvious with respect to your push for a charter we do not need. You guys can't win at the voting booth, so you switch to Plan B...a charter. My prayer is that the people of Giles County will be smart enough to see this and just say No. I believe they will.
Here's something else. You guys are completely intolerant of views that are not aligned with yours. e don't even have a right to think for ourselves, do we? How arrogant can you be?
You accuse me of telling lies simply because I will stand up to the whole lot of you. You falsely state that we who oppose you cannot stand the light of day being shown on things. STOP LYING! I am very much in favor of openness in county government, but I am also totally in favor of the form of government we have had in place for over two hundred years. A new form of government won't fix the problem of incompetent elected officials anyhow. So why are you guys so "rabid" about it? Could you respond to that question...and please tell the truth?
cg, From reading this morning's post I wondered how you could ask anyone to step up to the plate and give their name when you don't. I'm not giving my name and haven't asked anyone else to.
Since Barrett is the cause of the trouble in Giles County, was he the one took money from the teachers check and did not send it where it was suppose to go until caught up with? Did Guthrie help him? Just wondering.
As for the charter I'm not voting for it so don't say I'm pushing it.
The way I understand should it come in people will still be voting on before they will be in office same as now. They just can't stay forever. The president can't run but two turns, he can't even run again after staying out a turn.
It's funny how you don't want a tape of any meeting. All meetings should be taped. What are you afraid of? It could help prove a commissioner or Mrs Vanzant didn't say what some said they did as well prove how they acted like the chili cook off tape.
8:16
Who appointed you the spokesperson for the troublemakers of this county? My, how they must laugh at you for being a puppet. You ought to stop drinking their hate and jealousy kool-aid.Perhaps there is hope for you after all if you are being truthful about not voting for the charter.
But why can't elected officials stay as long as they want if the people want them in office? What about the will of the voters? I've lived here all my life and some of the people who held ofice stayed on their jobs for many many years. Nobody ever complained until the troublemakers found that the voters would not elect them or their candidates to ANYTHING.
I never asked for a tape of anything. Where did you get that?
I recall W.C. Tomerlin held an elected office for MANY years until he retired. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? Nobody had a problem with it til a few unhappy people found that they couldn't get elected to anything on the table.
Don't be fooled by these people. Vote NO to the charter we do not need to begin with.
8:16
Why should I step up to the plate and give my name? You don't. Besides, I'm not the one calling names and making accusations. I'm not trying to stir up trouble either.
The Giles County Election Commission needs investigated by the state as soon as possible. As stated earlier, everyone in Giles County knows that elections are commonly tampered with here. For anyone to argue otherwise is a moot point. The only people that say "NO!! THE ELECTIONS HERE ARE SO FARI!!" are the ones that have benefited from the tampering.
9:05
Care to give your name with that charge? Come on; let's see what you are made of. You people want trouble, don't you? Now is your chance.
Who did the tampering? Be specific. What is your name? Put up or shut up.
Did you forget your name all of a sudden?
I guess I will speak up a little. My problem with county government is that no one seems to have an answer for where all the money went and why we would have to dip into the hospital fund to begin with. I am not sure whose fault it was or is but someone is to blame. Instead of passing the buck and it seems that Ms. Garner is getting the buck passed to her since she resigned, step up and take responsibility if you know what happened. Instead of going on the radio and say the money isn't missing and was never missing, then tell us where it is. I just think something is being covered up. Maybe I am wrong and I would be happy to admit if I am. I just don't see the openness of this county government and charter or no charter I will try to do my best to elect the people I think need to be in office. It is time for some accountability in this county. Teachers have suffered and lost their jobs and now with school fixing to start back the kids are about to suffer. Just a sad state of affairs in Giles County.
Also if Mr. Rackley is on the election commission or holds any position in government he should not be allowed to "service" the voting machines. Just a total confict of interest there.
9:05
Yours is the identity that needs to be revealed. Oh, but that's not going to happen, is it? Why don't YOU call the state and demand an investigation?
I will be glad to call the state and ask for an investigation into the obvious election abuse of the Giles County Election Commission.
Will I DEMAND one? No...I will ask. Looks like someone needs to get their panties out of a wad...
Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed again? That is every single day for you, correct?
Call them then. No, I just get sick and tired of you people trying to ruin the reputations of those you obviously resent.
Don't worry, I will. And no, you have a case of chronic sour grape disease.
But nice try!!
When you do, be prepared to give them your name. Go for it!
Speaking of sour grapes, are you upset with the fact that barrett lost his election to Mrs. Coleman? Is that the root of it all? Go ahead and call them and whine about that. The courts found against barrett, didn't they?
Nope. I have no idea about any of that. But, again, nice try.
My issue is with the obvious misconduct of the Giles County Election Commission in allowing an unauthorized individual to directly handle voting results.
There is an obvious conflict of interest there and anyone can see that. There's a reason there are OUTSIDE vendors/technicians available for this task.
Mr. Rackley should be immediately terminated from his role as "technician" while serving as an Election Commissioner. Plain and simple.
9:51
You know what? There just may be a lawsuit over this one. Will that make you happy? All this needless troublemaking and what appears to be outright slander is not good. If you are the troublemaker in question, you may have gone too far this time. That's an opinion.
If I read the charter correctly the only elected offices to have term limits would be County Executive and County Commissioners.
I don't recall W.C.Tomerlin as being either. As long as the other officials are doing a good job they will be re-elected. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
Our U.S. Senators and Representatives who make up our federal legislative branch (locally that would be Co. Exec. and Commission) should have term limits. Many people are thinking that way. But in this county they would be called troublemakers.
8:28 I think you need to learn to read.
8:16 said: "It's funny how you don't want a tape of any meeting." See the DON'T WANT. You are so bitter you thought it said you wanted a tape.
W. C. Tomlin was a good fair, honest man.
Needless trouble making? Is that what helps you sleep at night?
Just because you're one of those involved in the misconduct doesn't make it right. Deep down, you know there's an obvious conflict of interest as well.
9:56
I don't care if the meetings are taped or not. What is YOUR problem?
One thing is for certain. You people are not going to run off the good and honest people who have been on the election commission for many years.
I like your adjectives - "good", "honest".
Here's mine - "HILARIOUS"
9:55
I am not trying to stir a pot here but do you honestly not think there is a conflict of interest with Mr. Rackley being on the election commission and also the economic development board and being the one to work on the voting machines. I am not accusing him of anything. I am just stating what seems to me to be a direct conflict of interest. I am not taking up for the person you are arguing with. I would say the same thing to him or her if it was the other way around. Please tell me that you can admit a conflict of interest.
They ARE good and honest people whether you think so or not. I might add that they also live Christian lives. I know you don't want to hear that, but it's true. You just can't stand it because your buddy got beat in a landslide by a relatively unknown person around town. And a black female at that! And when an attempt was made to get the will of the voters overturned, he lost again. Imagine that! So it becomes convenient to attempt to trash and dishonor good and decent people because of anger and jealousy and blame them for his own failures. Shamey shame.
If you think yourself so good and fair-minded, how can you justify an attempt to disregard the will of the voters? Aren't you guys all about the people having a voice? Well are you or not? Don't be a hypocrite.
9:59 that you can't read.
Are you denying your post of 8:28 said "I never asked for a tape of anything. Where did you get that?"
You must be the one got up on the wrong side of the bed. laughable
Can't say it all in one post?
Deh
I honestly do not know if there's a conflict of interest. I doubt that there is. From what I hear, I believe David can prove his case. And if he pursues this, it's not going to be good for his accuser. It's just a shame that there's this sort of trouble on board that NEVER existed before.
I will say that should a conflict exist, it ought to be corrected.
Thanks Deh.
10:20
Like I said, I could care less if meetings are taped or not. What is so hard for you to understand about that? I don't want anybody's tape. However, I think I know someone who DOES want a tape of that meeting. Can we guess who? Where is it? Do you know?
I am Ray Lanier and in my opinion it was completely inappropriate for David Rackley to even touch the machines. It would appear to be a direct conflict of interest and is bound to raise some questions as to the validity of the election results.
The reason stated -- it saved the county money -- is bs. It was stated that the person designated to work on the machines didn't know what they were doing. If that's so, hire someone who does. There are many qualified technicians available who are not on the election commission.
I'm sure there are criminals who are more familiar with the law than many of our officers, yet I don't think you would want them in charge of the police department.
How can you say you doubt there is a conflict of interest? By the very definition of the phrase, it's a conflict.
I obtained a copy of the tape of the meeting from Shirley Proud, who attended and taped, as is her right by law. I'll make copies available to anyone who cares to listen; see if it instills confidence about the way our elections are handled.
Ray Lanier
ray
So where do you guys go for your "open" meetings? I would bet David Rackley will be in contact with you for a copy of that tape. Wanna bet?
Uh...Ray. I don't think you were supposed to have told that you have the tape.
cg you seem to be the one can't understand.
8:16 said: It's funny how you don't want a tape of any meeting. All meetings should be taped.
You come back with:
I never asked for a tape of anything. Where did you get that?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that. Have you been out in the sun to long?
Notice how Rabid still won't answer any questions regarding the proven theft of teacher money? Also the demands that this ridiculous person makes regarding other posters revealing their names while he/she remains anonymous? The credibility that this town gossip has is well deserved. He/she freely admits that the only place his/her info comes from is gossip, has proven that the charter is not on his reading list and is the true name caller, liar, and attacker of any that has a different viewpoint. Even his objection to the Bill of Rights is blatant, unless it suits his purpose, (i.e. freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, etc) Nobody can make him understand the difference between a public and private citizen. Like I said, he or she is the best thing going for the pro-charter people. Rabid, please keep up the gossip!
Did I really read the enabler telling some one to step up and sign their name? That is too funny that a lying idiot that has defamed others on here and never signed it's name would write such nonsense. But that is what the enabler is about.
In my opinion Rackley's two positions do pose a conflict of interest with his being allowed to access the voting booths. I don't care about any ones honesty just that proper protocol by those in public positions is followed. If they can not follow proper procedure then they do not deserve my trust.
How long has Rackley been able to access voting booths? Was this going on before or during previous elections?
I know many hate Barrett who hold public positions. it has been publicly announced by commissioners. Refer to the chili cook-off tape of Terry Harwell.
Do any of these people hate Barrett enough to conspire to keep him out of office? I have an easier time believing they would as opposed to people the enabler hangs with are honest. They may be the most honest people the enabler knows but I find that statement hilarious coming from the proven liar.
Is this going to get swept under the rug like Dan using tax payer money to promote himself? Like the missing money that is not missing, and countless number of other things that deprive the tax paying citizens who do put their trust in public officials.
I got my copy of the tape at the charter meeting, at which everyone was welcome.
I could care less what Rackley wants. He was at the meeting, he should already have a copy.
I didn't think Christians like you could bet,cg, I mean unless it's bingo or something. Perhaps you are confused again and should go back and read from the beginning. Might clear it up for you. You can thank me later.
Ray Lanier
deanna
Your claim that I object to The Bill of Rights is another flat-out lie. Can't you just tell the truth? Your hatred toward me is because I don't see things exactly like a small group of troublemakers do. I have a right to my opinions and to support those things I believe in. It's just unfortunate that you guys are totally intolerant of any views that are not aligned with yours. And believe me when I tell you that I will continue to take a stand for what I think is right. Is that not what you are doing while you condemn me for the same thing? Can you see any arrogance in that?
And there you go again promoting and enabling the lie allen barrett told on me that I willfully go along with wrongdoings. I will deny it and take issue with that lie anytime I see it. You guys ought to know that by now. You people frighten me...not because I am afraid of you physically but because I don't know what you are capable of doing. Thank God you have no political power over this county. I pray you never will.
You mentioned that people might conspire to keep barrett out of office. Well, I don't know about that, but I have heard that there are people who will run for 7th District commissioner if he tries it again. That's purely hearsay.
As for Dan Speer, I have said for a long time that he needs to go. I stand by that. And whoever misappropriated the money should not only be fired but prosecuted.
If you want to make an accusation against David, why don't you sign your name to your post? Don't just beat around the bush. Be clear on what you want to say. I'm sure David would be interested in hearing your thoughts.
Yes, I did suggest that whoever wants to make serious accusations such as those in question should step up and sign their names. Isn't that what you guys are always asking people to do?
ray
You say you could care less what David wants. But didn't you also say earlier that you would make a copy of that tape available to whoever wants one?
I never said I was a betting man. You are trying to appear intelligent by suggesting that I meant betting in a literal way. I don't gamble. I should have asked you if you would be surprised if David contacted you, but I'm thinking you would have spun that to mean something else as well. I don't need to thank you for anything, but I'm fairly certain that David Rackley will thank you for a copy of that tape.
You know, I always tried to deal respectfully with you and even defended you against those who were giving you a hard time. That was a mistake.
It's kinda cute how David Rackley refers to himself in the third person.
David,
If you read this blog, please consider letting Guthrie go back there and take care of the vote totals on election night. Maybe that will make her think twice about making dangerous accusations and stirring up a lot of trouble in the future.
Yes, please do!!! We might then be able to claim having one FAIR and NON-TAMPERED election in the last 50 years!! HOORAYYYY!!
It's just a shame what one troublemaker can do.
2:55
Give the names of those you are accusing of tampering with our elections. While you are at it, please list your name as the accuser? Can you do that? I'll be waiting to see.
Your guy lost his election bid by a landslide (second failed attempt), and you people want to blame it on those who are doing the best they can to serve the citizens of this county. Isn't that the real heart of the matter? Deny it if you will but most people know.
Waiting.
2:55
Just as I thought. I didn't think you would take this to the next level. But I hope I'm wrong and that you will give the names of those you want to accuse and sign your name.
I'll be checking back later to see.
Haha. So, if someone doesn't reply within 20 seconds of your post, suddenly you've been waiting for DAYS AND DAYS with no response from anyone.
David - such a joke.
3:37
I never said I'd been waiting for days and days. Are you stupid? Just asking.
Oh, I'm afraid you are underestimating David Rackley. Let's wait and see, ok?
What about it? Who are you accusing? Please name them and then sign yours.
Hahahaha. Pleasseee stop making me laugh. Seriously. My side is starting to hurt from all your jokes.
3:47
Ok; as you wish. You apparently think what these troublemakers are doing is funny. I see no humor in those who would seek to destroy others.
Next week should be interesting. I wonder if you will find things so amusing then?
1:46
Were you not the one that was defaming Hughes on here a while back before he set you straight? Why did you not sign your name when you attacked Hughes? I think every one that dislikes you is because you run your mouth before knowing the facts, then you deny facts and lie just to enable your buddies wrong doings.
Mr. Lanier - my statement of Thursday, July 26, 2012 11:37:00 PM was not directed toward you to in any way, but a statement in general to those who typically come into this forum and blow off steam. In fact, I find your posts, Mr. Lanier, are more level headed than most; and if you veiwed my statement as to being directed to you personnally I can assure you that it was not; and I will go further to offer an apology if you felt that my statement WAS directed toward you. So, if you felt that way Mr. Lanier - please accept my apology whether it's warrented that I do so or not. I simpley refuse to get into a mud-slinging contest that serves no useful purpose.
And by the way, Mr. Lanier, the word is "OBLOQUY" not "OBLOGUY". I can see where you may have may not have been able to distinguish the difference between a lower case "Q" from a lower case "G". Than can happen when the font you are choosing to view the blog site makes it difficult to distinguish certain letters of the alphabet from those that are similarly shaped. Regardless, per your request the following is the definition of obloquy
ob·lo·quy [ob-luh-kwee] noun
1. censure, blame, or abusive language aimed at a person or thing, especially by numerous persons or by the general public.
2. discredit, disgrace, or bad repute resulting from public blame, abuse, or denunciation.
As to the post using the word "proselyte", that was not mine, but the word is defined as: a person who has changed from one opinion, religious belief, sect, or the like, to another; convert. I also believe it was also used incorrectly in the sentence that that you found it, but I didn't look back to check on it.
And, Mr. Lanier, if you, or anybody else for that matter, askes me a question about my posts on this blog i will give you an honest answer. I will not belittle you or anyone else in this forum.
Now that we have that cleared up I'd like to ask Mr. Barrett what does he mean by "why has an uncertified person been allowed to have access to the voting machines prior to the vote count being documented?". Is Mr. Barrett is referring to Mr. David E. Rackley who is listed several times in the July 24, 2012 Pulaski Citizen as being Secretary of the Giles County Election Commission as attested by Ms. Kathy M. Bassham, Administrator of Elections, or is he referring to someone else. Would not the secretary of the election commision be "certified" (whatever certified is supposed to mean). If you are not referring to Mr. Rackley, then specifically who are you referring to? Wouldn't tampering with a voting machine be fraud and a felony? Who in the hell would risk tampering with a local election for a welll established and successful business career? Please respond to this inquiry and may I suggest in the future that you use actual names instead of inferences in accusations your main page post, it helps prevent the ambiguities that create more problems than they bring to light.
And further, why would a group of people who have a position, one way or another, have to file a financial statement with the county's election commission to post signs regarding their position on a local issue such as the proposed County Charter? I'm looking forward to your response.
“A person's a person, no matter how small.”
- Dr. Seus
Does anyone know if Radkley is actually a Republican? I am unaware of anything that he has done or said that would indicate that he is a republican. Who appointed him to the election commission?
Also, why did Henry Inman not want the meeting public? Doesn't th Sunshine Law require that these meetings are open to the public?
Sorry, my lousy typing ability and inadequate chatroom spell checker produced the foolowing errors in my Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:26:00 PM post:
warranted*
simply*
asks*
accusations ON your main page*
These errors are totally my fault - I hope I'll do better in the future.
Mr. Lanier,
Would you be so kind as to post a phone number where you may be contacted? Thank you.
Thanks 5:26, I appreciate you making that clear. Nice post.
Ray Lanier
Rackley is welcome to call me and request a copy of the tape. I'll need a reason, though, since it's my personal property and I tend to be a hoarder, so, we'll see.
5:19
No, I have never "defamed" Bob Hughes. In fact, there's at least one post of mine on here wherein I spoke either favorably to him or about him. That dog won't hunt.
However, I admit to saying I would not sit idly by and not defend my wife from ANYBODY if she asked my help. Ok? I never said I would have attacked Bob Hughes. I hope that clears up a misunderstanding for you.
Mr. Lanier,
Let's cut to the chase here. How or where may Mr. Rackley contact you? I believe you stated that you would make copies available to anyone who requests them?
Thank you.
I believe that tape can be subpoenaed via DA's office.
Yep, 6:53, seems like I recall making that statement, or it could have just been someone posting under my name. I've heard that goes on a lot. Might I ask why you are representing Mr.Rackley? Last I knew, he was a grown man capable of doing his own asking.
I would like to take this opportunity to make a correction. I did not receive my copy of the impromptu meeting recording from Shirley Proud. I heard of its existence from her, but I actually acquired my copy from someone else.
The inclination I initially felt to be cooperative has been affected by the post of 6:55, suggesting the das office can subpoena a copy of the tape. Since the disk is my personal property, I think we'll just go that route.
My number is posted on several topics, just start looking. You may alternatively call 3637421 and leave me a message.
Barring that, give me a call, and while I won't read it to you verbatim, I just may hum a few bars. Later tater.
Ray Lanier
I think all early votes should not be used and that they should be made to re-vote..
Was Mr. Rackley not at the meeting and know what went on?
I find it hilarious how someone can ask someone else to sign their name when they won't sign theirs.
Has this election coming up made everyone crazy?
That is an excellent idea to get the DA involved and while we have him we can kill two birds with one stone. We can have him (DA) figure out why the Election Commission cannot force a financial disclosure on the anti-charter people.
8:37
The difference is because the one making the serious accusations needs to sign her name. It's that simple.
Every county meeting is supposed to have a Secretary who takes Minutes which are for anyone to read.
9:14 Were the accusations about you? If not how did it get to be any of your business?
10:13
It's county business, isn't it? That makes it my business since I'm a citizen. I thought you guys were all about citizens having a voice in what goes on?
We are for citizens having more say in the way our county government is being run. It's most of the County Officials that don't want the Charter to pass. It will be a whole lot easier for 11 commissioners to be persuaded to vote for a tax hike than it would to persuade the whole county. The same goes for the Election Commission. They forget whom they are representing...the rights of us voters... and they are to make sure everything is done fair and square. It's a sad day when our government has gotten away from "WE THE PEOPLE" and believes more in how will it benefit me.
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