This Is A Topic Requested By A Reader Concerning Amendment One To Be On This November
This morning there was a request to post this topic. While I am always happy to post suggested topics this one comes with near perfect timing. I have been working on this topic for several days and am very pleased to post it now. Anyone requesting a topic can ensure it's quick post if it is accompanied by a comment.
This is the request:
In 2000, the Tennessee Supreme Court ruled that, “A woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy is a vital part of the right to privacy guaranteed by the Tennessee Constitution,” with that ruling they wiped out almost every state law that regulated abortions. That is the plain and simple fact of the matter.
Are there still some laws that regulate abortion in Tennessee of course there are, there is that very important law that requires every abortion clinic to post a sign with 40 pt Arial font in their waiting rooms declaring that it's illegal for anyone to coerce a woman into having an abortion. Wow, that is powerful.
Tennessee also requires that a minor must obtain the consent of at least one parent before getting an abortion. Guess who checks whether that is a legitimate parent or just an older friend that signed the paper? No one.
In 2012 there was a law passed that required doctors who perform abortions must have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital. That has been under attack since before it was passed.
Want to guess which agency is required to inspect abortion clinics for proper equipment, procedures, cleanliness. I don’t know either and neither does anyone else, because there is none.
Want to guess what the waiting period is for an abortion in Tennessee it’s the same as the restriction on how late in the pregnancy you can have an abortion. That’s right there is no time restriction on either.
In Tennessee you can walk into an abortion clinic on the day you are to deliver and have an abortion within the hour.
If Tennessee has such strict laws limiting abortions as those supporting abortion on demand claim, please explain why since 2000 more than 25% of women seeking abortions are from out of state?
This is the request:
"Instead of every thread being something inflammatory and negative, why not start one about why people should vote YES to Amendment One? Just a thought. If this blog is all about informing the masses, I think this would be most appropriate." Thursday, October 02, 2014 7:44:00 AM
In 2000, the Tennessee Supreme Court ruled that, “A woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy is a vital part of the right to privacy guaranteed by the Tennessee Constitution,” with that ruling they wiped out almost every state law that regulated abortions. That is the plain and simple fact of the matter.
Are there still some laws that regulate abortion in Tennessee of course there are, there is that very important law that requires every abortion clinic to post a sign with 40 pt Arial font in their waiting rooms declaring that it's illegal for anyone to coerce a woman into having an abortion. Wow, that is powerful.
Tennessee also requires that a minor must obtain the consent of at least one parent before getting an abortion. Guess who checks whether that is a legitimate parent or just an older friend that signed the paper? No one.
In 2012 there was a law passed that required doctors who perform abortions must have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital. That has been under attack since before it was passed.
Want to guess which agency is required to inspect abortion clinics for proper equipment, procedures, cleanliness. I don’t know either and neither does anyone else, because there is none.
Want to guess what the waiting period is for an abortion in Tennessee it’s the same as the restriction on how late in the pregnancy you can have an abortion. That’s right there is no time restriction on either.
In Tennessee you can walk into an abortion clinic on the day you are to deliver and have an abortion within the hour.
If Tennessee has such strict laws limiting abortions as those supporting abortion on demand claim, please explain why since 2000 more than 25% of women seeking abortions are from out of state?
posted by Allen Barrett | 9:16 AM
68 Comments:
We are what we are - an abortion destination - because the black-robed elite struck down TN's common sense laws. This amendment is necessary to re-regulate TN abortions, because apparently we have a judiciary that desires to legislate. The establishment black-robes should be impeached for judicial activism, but for now we must trump them via the constitutional process.
We live in a state where our minor daughters can get abortions in unregulated clinics without parental consent ... contrast that with our block-headed laws that protect black-headed vultures. It's illegal to kill rattlesnakes. We have regulations galore to repair erosion to a creek bank, or preserve the life of vermin, and no regulations governing abortion or the clinics.
Moral sanity demands that we pass Amendment One. Nineteen other county commissions have passed resolutions supporting Amendment One. Just silence from our courthouse - where's the leadership?
The county executive would be the leader of the county commission. But, isn't she a Democrat? Abortion is something like a holy sacrament to a democrat.
You guys keep worrying about something as minor as abortion and watch the world go to hell. I love how the media has you sheep focusing on hot-button topics and staying clueless to the real problems.
A large majority of women and girls having abortions would probably be unfit mothers and the children would suffer a very unhealthy and miserable life.
It's funny that Christians want the government to stay out of their lives, but the Christians feel the need to control all others.
I will agree that regulations need to be put into place when taxpayers are footing the bill. There are several solutions, such as them paying themselves or using taxpayer money for permanent birth control methods to prevent it.
Many children don't get the education they need about sex and pregnancy. Planned Parenthood would be a great thing without all the stigma of attaching it to abortions.
Just remember the hypocrisy of wanting to have it your way just because the bible says so. This is a free country and people are allowed to live how they want.
"This is a free country and people are allowed to live how they want."
Yes, as long as it doesn't adversely impact the life/liberty of humanity. I'm consistently libertarian when it comes to many things ... I think people shouldn't be required to wear seatbelts, and we should allow morons to legally use addictive drugs. I have no problem letting the lemmings run over the cliff, as long as they're not pulling others over the cliff with them. And this is what abortion does. At the very least it needs to be regulated, which is what Amendment 1 will allow.
And you think sheep are focusing on "minor" issues, like the preservation of life? Ha - let's see how minor you think life is as they start rationing health care ... when your life is deemed worthless because you're no longer an economically viable, socially contributing consumer. History has shown that culturally normalized abortion precedes culturally sanctioned death ... and for those of us in the "living" category, that's not a minor issue.
I had much rather allow, and regulate, abortions rather than find children in trash cans. Too many times the complaints revolve around the cost of abortions to taxpayers, but the reality is that most of these children will be born to teenagers and mothers that are probably already living on some form of government assistance. The cost of that child will be put to the taxpayer through welfare benefits of some type.
I do not think abortions are moral or the right thing to do. However, I believe there needs to be more education involved when women are facing this situation. It is not a black and white issue and will never be resolved when viewed as such.
Where in history does abortion precede sanctioned death? Just because Karl Marx or Ayn Rand has written about the philosophy of it doesn't mean it has been practiced. More can be learned as how not to proceed as a society from thinkers like them rather than believing it will happen and implementing the ideas.
Look at a large number of women having abortions and tell me if you think a child will grow up in a productive household and have much of a chance to live a happy life. Educate them but don't force control over their own body.
Do you think it is okay for a mother to kill their 5 year old child if they are showing signs of not being as smart as the other children their age?
This is a discussion that neither side will change their minds. It is a waste of time and energy!
I'm confused. Do we vote for or against Amendment One? I am against abortion. The Bible tells us that it is wrong to kill and that is exactly what abortion is. If you do not want a child then don't get pregnant. There is way to much free birth control for any one to get pregnant this day and time. Wait until you are married and want a child before you get pregnant.
VOTE YES ON AMENDMENT ONE IF YOU WANT TO PUT SOME LIMITS AND RESTRICTIONS ON ABORTIONS.
Abortions can not be banned but they can be better regulated and restricted. Voting yes on this amendment will allow such things as prohibiting late term and partial birth abortions; require proven parental consent for minors; place sanitary requirements on facilities where abortions are done and require inspections of the facilities; regulate the disposal of fetal material; etc.
VOTE YES ON AMENDMENT ONE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ABORTIONS IN TENNESSEE.
7:49 Remember a reader asked for this to be discussed. Let's be fair to everyone no matter how we feel about anything.
The Bible gives clear and direct guidance on many other topics, but abortion is never specifically mentioned in the Bible. Some Bible passages may well give insight into the issues involved, but there is no general agreement about their interpretation . It would seem that this issue, along with many others, is a matter of interpretation. Kinda of like the rapture. No where in the Bible is the rapture mentioned. Food for thought.
Oh not so. The Bible has plenty of reference to the shedding of innocent blood and how God knew us before we were known. And which Bible character leaped in his mother's womb? You would need help to misunderstand those teachings.
And you, 8:14, have a habit of interpreting the passages to suit your own needs. Just because you read it one way don't make it the correct interpretation. You also didn't comment on the rapture issue. Do you honestly think the departed are waiting in the ground for the Lord to raise them up? Narrow-minded does not even begin to describe you.
To 5:25. It's time we started worrying about killing little babies. I can't imagine any one with any sense at all would have the guts to stand there and do such a thing. There are to many people in the world that want children and can't have them. Have any one of you watched the video on an abortion? If you have I can assure you it had to bother you a little. What about the doctors that perform them? they are as guilty as the person having it done. Lets all work together and VOTE YES TO AMENDMENT ONE.
You make some good points Louise. My only problem is what about those children who don't get adopted. Are you aware of the deplorable conditions in may orphanages? Children are abused, both mentally and physically. They are starved and beaten. I don't agree with abortions in most cases, but I do believe there must be serious regulations concerning the ones who are given up. Just my thoughts.
Ray
Did I mention that both sides have already made their mind up on this issue, and it is a complete waste of time to try to pursuade anyone to change?
Preach on!
Women have babies thinking they will be good mothers then go crazy and do crazy things. Do you think they would of had an abortion at first?
I think there should be regulations on abortion. I don't believe in tax payers paying for the abortion.
Striker rules for handing out money should be, also make the Dad's pay for up keep or go to jail.
It takes two people to make a baby.
Ray, post a link to the latest orphanage mental/physical abuse episode
reported to a valid news agency. Thanks.
I am happy to 4:42. Keep in mind that this site is only one of many. I'm not going to do all the research for you but I will get you started. Happy reading.
http://books.google.com/books?id=A711AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA116&lpg=PA116&dq=mental+and+physical+abuse+in+orphanages&source=bl&ots=PiiTl6Rn8U&sig=sH8CVc7v__IcSpnfaBx0EIXXpuc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Mqc0VMj3ONaryASj34DAAg&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=mental%20and%20physical%20abuse%20in%20orphanages&f=false
If you requested this information because you doubted that I knew what I was talking about, I really feel sorry for you.
Ray
I found the link to be very informative. It looks like orphanages aren't too bad and foster care is worse that I would have thought. And surprisingly 81% did not want to be adopted. And 46% never or rarely wanted to return to their families. After reading what th environment of what these children's "families" were like I can understand their choice.
Too bad the section entitled Positive and Attributes of Orphanage Care is not included. What a teaser to purchase this $64.00 book.
I have come to the conclusion that Ray may be a bigger loser than WAB!
Bigger than you 3:18?
For the poster of Oct. 7 at 9:35 and others with the same view: It's true this issue has been debated from every possible angle and the outcome decided. The reason the argument continues is because at it's core it is a matter of fundamental philosophy. On one side; many believe that everyone should live under Christian laws regardless of their religious beliefs. On the other side; many believe that religious beliefs should have no bearing what so ever on the governing laws.
It is really the same battle that has raged for as long as humans have inhabited this planet. Some will fight to control others and some will fight to not be controlled. The solution can only be reached when there is less than two people on earth. :-)
3:18
I disagree. WAB wins hands down.
9:35, it is not pointless to try to inform people in the hope of influencing them. Do you know there are people out there who do not know what partial birth abortion is? I am sure that a great majority of those who do know find the procedure barbaric and are astounded that it is utilized. If you are not working to protect life, then you are part of the problem. Get off the fence please.
What a clever comment 3:18. It might give me something to think about except for the fact that I don't give a rat's ass about your opinion. Keep taking those anonymous shots, though. Maybe the one friend you have won't find out what a spineless coward you are.
Ray
Ray. If you didin't give a rat's ass about my opinion, why are you responding so harshly?
If you think that was harsh, dumbass, then you must not get out much. I thought I was being nice considering what a bitch you are.
Your vocabulary is spectacular!
If I kissed Barrett's ass like Ray does, would he let me use the same language and childish behavior as Ray.
3:20 Your post hasn't been deleted yet, so did you kiss? You used one word so go for more.
I'm going to put this in terms everyone will understand. You all have your own opinions on abortion. I don't care whether they are right or wrong. Not my problem. What is my problem, and this is to the idiot who said the only people who don't want to be controlled aren't Christians, is I don't want to spend my money for someones abortion. I don't believe in abortion, except in very specific circumstances, and yes I am a Christian. Those specific circumstances are what needs to be laid out across the country. Cases of rape, it is still the victims choice, cases of incest, again, the victims or their guardians choice, and when the mother or child is in danger. In these cases, I can see my way clear to helping out. Otherwise, it is a choice. It was a choice not to use protection, it was a choice to have sex. Poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine. All of you need to get off your damn High Horses. But watch that first step baby, tuck and roll.
4:34 Good post. I feel the same way on everything you posted.
Thanks for noticing 1:37. 3:20, since you are obviously an expert on the art of ass kissing, kindly provide and example of where I performed that act on anyone. If you can't, perhaps you should consider shutting the hell up. Oh silly me, I just realized I forgot to call you a dumbass. Sorry about that dumbass.
Ray
Ray. That vocabulary is improving. Keep it up!
Really? That's all you got? I am very disappointed in you. I guess that's something your parents and I have in common, isn't it?
Ray
You do realize you're a moron, right Ray? I'm serious, you are one very disturbed dude to act the way you do. You should look in the mirror and say to yourself the things you say to others on here. If it doesn't make you feel stupid, you have a mental problem that could only be solved with counseling and medication. Seriously, you act like a complete idiot.
Look who's talking.
4:34 Good post. I wholly agree with you. Unfortunately, Amendment 1 takes all those options away from the rape or incest victim or a mother who may lose her life and vests that decision with the state.
That is going too far.
Amendment one does not prevent or limit anyone from having and abortion. The law of the land, regardless of how people may feel about It only gives the state authority to regulate how and where those abortion may take place.
Is it unreasonable to have abortion facilities maintain sanitary standards at least equal to a fast food restaurant?
Is it unreasonable to require, if you are going to have an abortion at least do it before the baby can survive outside the womb? How can anyone justify an abortion on a healthy baby in the ninth month?
This Amendment will not do away with abortions, VOTE YES .
jony rat, I assume you are basing your evaluation of my on your own mental issues. You seem to be quite the expert on mental disorders and I can only conclude that you have learn so much from dealing with your own stupidity. The simple fact that you decline to post with your real name speaks volumes about your convictions or lack thereof. Give me a shout when you locate your testicles and decide to sign your real name. Otherwise, why don't you adhere to your previous promise of being done with me and shut the hell up. You're welcome.
Ray
No true conservative can support Amendment 1. You say the law of the land still supports the right of privacy and hence abortions and that this amendment will not affect that right. Really?
Let's try something. The law of the land protects gun ownership but permits regulation. Let's replace the term "abortion" in the amendment with "gun ownership". Would any of us true conservatives vote for the following:
"Shall Article I, of the Constitution of Tennessee be amended by adding the following language as a new, appropriately designated section:
Nothing in this Constitution secures or protects a right to gun ownership. The people retain the right through their elected state representatives and state senators to enact, amend, or repeal statutes regarding gun ownership."
Of course not. This amendment is designed to attack the right of privacy just as surely as my made-up amendment would attack the right to bear arms.
Both are repulsive to a true conservative.
Liberal Dictionary:
Right of privacy- ending a baby's life at any time prior to birth
This amendment has nothing to do with a person's right to privacy.
Please tell us what violations of privacy are involved in requiring that abortion facilities be inspected for cleanliness and the properly maintained equipment. Currently there is no official requirement that instruments even be cleaned much less sterilized. Currently here is nothing to prevent the abortionist from using the same instruments continually all day without any cleaning.
Is there a greater violation of privacy in requiring proof of identity for a parent whose child is having an abortion than what is required for that same child to be treated for a headache by a school nurse.
This amendment will not outlaw abortions, it will only allow reasonable requirements for such things as facilities inspections, the authority to require identification from those signing for underage requestors and establish such guidelines as for disposal of aborted by products.
6:54 you're a damn idiot. No, wait I meant a liberal Democrat.
Has anyone seen the latest commercial that "Yes on 1" is running on TV? It's a 911 call from an abortion clinic (The Women's Center) in Nashville on June 21, 2014. Bad things can and do happen during abortions that can jeopardize the health and life of women.
I will quote the E911 call from the commercial.
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Caller: "This is the Women's Center. we need an ambulance ASAP!"
E911: "Alright, is her breathing completely normal?"
Caller: "No!"
E911: "And is she changing color?"
Caller: "Yes!"
E911: "Does she have any abdominal pain?"
Caller: "Ah…I'm sure she does. She's in the middle of getting an an abortion."
This abortion center is neither licensed or inspected. Planned Parenthood and other liberal groups are pouring millions of dollars into their campaign to stop Amendment 1. Planned Parenthood doesn't care about women. It's all about the money and Planned Parenthood is in the abortion INDUSTRY. Abortion is BIG business, big, lucrative business.
Amendment 1 will NOT take away a woman's right to an abortion. Roe V. Wade is the law of the land. What Amendment 1 will do is provide legislation to require abortion facilities to be licensed and inspected for the SAFETY of women and girls seeking abortion. If you really care about women, vote Yes on 1.
This is unwarranted fear-mongering. Statistically, abortion that is done in clinics (ie, 1st trimester abortions) have a lower chance of complications than getting a tooth pulled by a dentist.
Why is it that the same people that object to government in healthcare when Affordable Care Act is discussed are the same ones who want government injected into healthcare decisions where abortion is concerned? Either you think that government should be making healthcare decisions for people or you don't. You don't get to have it both ways.
Bottom line - Abortion is murder. You are taking the life of an innocent.
Wouldn't you just love for someone like cg to decide if you could have an abortion if you had been raped?
Financial disclosures are in from the No on 1 and Yes on 1 campaigns, and it looks like Planned Parenthood is doing everything possible to keep their VERY lucrative industry, that of killing babies, unfettered in Tennessee. Look at the numbers AND FOLLOW THE MONEY!
WONDER WHY YOU SEE SO MANY DECEPTIVE "NO" ADS?????
Latest financial disclosures are in and abortion facilities across the nation have poured $3,587,940 into our state to defeat Amendment 1. Add $200,700 from the ACLU and you have $3,788,640 or 94% of their campaign budget from those who profit from abortion.
All told, pro-abortion opponents of Amendment 1 (abortion interests plus individuals) have given $4,018,886.
In contrast, pro-life donors to YES on 1 have given $1,520,530. Thank you to all who have contributed to restore LIFE to Tennessee.
Where are the usual liberals that complain about big business when the big, BIG abortion industry
is buying an election in our state? Planned Parenthood's livelihood is at stake and the No on 1 campaign is spreading absolute lies about what Amendment 1 will and will not do. And vote YES on 1 to protect women form those that PROFIT off the killing of innocents.
Yet I'm sure, 10;31, that you have no problem not limiting the amount folks and corps can donate to their republican picks. I believe the liberals brought a bill before the powers that be and the repugs shot it down. Seem fair to you? Buying and election is buying an election, no matter what the particulars are.
You might want to check your facts 2:14 the bill was introduced by John Mv\cCain and the courts shot it down as unconstitutional but I doubt a good democrat would let a little thing like the Constitution get in the way of what they want like Bloomberg giving millions to violate the Constitution or the big oil man from California giving hundreds off millions for the global warming hoax.
Just like a good republican would not let a child's future get in the way of making money. Are you aware that the government made a profit on student loans of over 66 billion between 2007 and 2012? The repubs fight tooth and nail to keep from giving students breaks on their loans. Knowing this, how can you single out the dems for anything having to do with money?
As far as the global warming "hoax," I'm sure you are much more educated about such matters than the many scientist who absolutely believe. Go ahead, though, and keep listening to faux news for your info. As long as you hang out with like-minded people, I'm sure you will appear smart enough.
You may also want to do a bit of further research,6:01.According to a story ran on 89.3 KPCC:
"In a 5-4 vote won by conservative justices, the court struck down limits in federal law on the total amount of money a contributor can give to candidates, political parties and political action committees.
The decision wipes away the overall limit of $123,200 for 2013 and 2014. It will allow the wealthiest contributors to pour millions of dollars into candidate and party coffers, although those contributions will be subject to disclosure under federal law."
How exactly was it "shot down" by the courts?
Gas prices have been going down. Paid less for gas today than I have in a few years. Think after the election they will go up up up?
Yes they have. Thank you President Obama.
9:32 obama has done everything he can to keep gas prices high, at European levels as he has said. Private development on private lands has been the key not the suppression by obama. Watch the price increases of electricity as obama continues to destroy the coal industry as he has the medical industry.
Watch and see if gas prices don't go up after Tuesday.
For certain, if Republicans take control of Congress.
When George W. bush was president, gas prices went up and he was blamed.
Gas prices have gone up under President Obama and he has been blamed for that.
Now they have gone down who did that?
Some say the Democrats to get the votes.
Some say the Republicans to get votes.
I just wish they could keep them down if the election is doing it, let's have an election every three months.
Private enterprise on private lands is the reason the vast amounts of oil and gas reserves have been found and developed. obama and his tree hugging buddies have done everything they can to keep the prices high. Just look at the destruction he has created with the coal industry. The cost of electricity will be so high within a year that you will forget the price of gasoline.
The President has very little to do with the price of gasoline. For more information please read http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/business/gas-prices-are-out-of-any-presidents-control.html?_r=0
This is an argument that has played out over and over to shed unfavorable light on presidents since time began. Read it, or don't;the argument is one which has raged since party affiliation has reared its ugly head.
2:17 Was that not about what 12:33 was saying? People blame who ever is president for prices going up no matter if he is a D or R.
Makes you wonder if thy think the White House has the oil well in it.
Too true 8:41, yet the self-same republicans who are blaming Obama for the increase in gas prices were all over the news defending W when prices rose during his reign. Faux news in particular took in upon themselves to be his champion in this matter. It truly boggles the mind how they flip flop when it suits them.
We must run in different circles.I heard people blame Bush for prices going on just as bad as the same ones are blaming Obama.
Presidents get blamed for everything just like Mr. Barrett gets blamed for everything in Giles county.
Certainly a lot of folks blamed w for higher gas prices. My point was that much of the media, faux news in particular, defended him by saying the president has very little to do with the cost of gas. That was when w was pres. Check and see what they say now that Obama is running things.
I've heard gas prices was going to kerp going down. That's good. but wonder why they had been going up so high.
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