Pulaski Water Rate Increase
It seems with all the shenanigans going on with the county the city hasn't been getting enough attention and has slipped a real treat to citizens.
The Pulaski City Council voted on first reading to increase water rates almost 50%.
This was reported on TV 5 news last night. Nothing at that time had been announced on WKSR. WTVF reported that the increase would add about $11.00 dollars to an average water bill. I called the Recorders office this morning and was informed that it was true but that the increase would only be $6.99 per 2,000 gallons. After checking my last bill I find that would be about an $11.00 increase. -- Allen Barrett
posted by J. Kendrick McPeters | 11:07 PM
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Water - Sewer Rates On The Rise
Posted on April 25, 2007
You can start planning for a substantial increase in your water and sewer rates. The Pulaski City Council voted on first reading a resolution to raise the rates to help fund work being doing at the Wastewater Treatment Plant.
The city is in the process of constructing an inflow water basin that will catch run-off rainwater and hold it until it can be processed by the Wastewater Treatment Plant.
The current facilities can process approximately 4 million gallons per day. Once the renovations to the Wastewater Treatment Plant are made, the facility would be able to process up to 6 million gallons per day.
Concerning the inflow basin, Harrison said that water would be pumped daily and wouldn’t not pose a risk to the public.
“This is something that must be done,” City Recorder Terry Harrison told the Mayor and Aldermen. The increase to the customer should be enough to pay the approximately $7-million dollars that will be needed to finish work on the facility. According to Harrison the note is stretched out over twenty years.
Currently, residential customers are paying $13 per month as a minimum bill for 2,000 gallons of water. The minimum bill, once approved on second and third reading, would go to $24 for 1,000 gallons of water. That’s an increase of $11.
“We looked at all options,” said Harrison. “We also looked for any grant monies that may be available to help fund such a project. They’re just not out there,” says Harrison.
The resolution will come back before the Pulaski City Council next month for second and third reading, before going into effect.
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I also heard this story on WKSR's 5:30pm newscast on April 24th, the day of the City Council meeting.
Boy oh boy did I get a trek down the primose lane when I spoke with the lady at the recorders office this morning. While the information was correct the way in which it was presented was every bit as deceptive as a county school budget. The newspaper did a fine article on the situation but waited till the last six paragraphs before telling the ugly part.
In a nutshell they not only increased the cost of the water to be used they also reduced the amountt of water included in the minimum bill. Where we previously paid a minimum of about $13.00 we will now pay $24.00 for half the water. Using my last water bill as an example my family of three used 4800 gallons of water and cost me $32.57. If we use the exact same amount of water after the increase that cost will be over $50 an increase of over $18.00. So what it all boils down to is that our water just doubled in price.
The reason for this huge increase according to the newspaper is suppose to be to upgrade the facilities to increase capacity from 4 million gallons a day to 6 million gallons per day. The problem with this is that according to the Pulaski web site the capacity is already 7,500,000 gallons per day with consumption at 3,200,000 gallons per day. So will someone please explain why we have to double the water bills in order to increase the output to less than the current capacity?
Allen Barrett
This is disgusting. Pulaski already has higher water rates than many parts of the country and this in an area of depression employment wise.
Okay, lets see. $7,000,000.00 over twenty years. 7 mil divided by 20 years, that's $350,000 per year. 350,000 divided by 12 months, that's $29,166.00 per month. 29,166 divided by the $11.00 increase, is 2,651. So if 2,651 residents do not use a single drop of water and get billed the minimum with the $11.00 increase that would pay for the $7,000,000.00 note. My question is, when did the school board start controlling the water department?
Sounds like something that should be fully investigated.
No, nothing should be investigated. That's what elections are for. Everyone associated with the increase was either elected, appoined by someone who was elected, or hired by someone who was either elected or appointed by someone who was elected. That's the dumbacratic way, the Repusicratic way, and it's approved by the KGB! Every so often you get to vote for flip or flop, who will change the letterhead & give you more SOS. Once in a while, you get a good one - happening more often - a very good sign.
Sounds like you would be more content in Cuba or maybe Russia. Uh, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Why is the City treating rain water? That doesn't make any sense to me. Can someone explain it please?
Because they leased the spring!
http://www.wksr.com/wksr.php?rfc=src/article.html&id=13681
Pulaski water bills are proposed to go up in May or June from a minimum of $13.00 a month for 2,000 gallons of water to a minimum of $24.00 for 1,000 gallons of water so the new minimum of 2,000 gallons per month (if the minimum gallons is not changed) will be $48.00 a month.
$24.00x2=$48.00
For most one person households and a great many two person households they will be hit the hardest because they hover at or around 2,000 gallons a month for a daily shower, flush the toilet and wash dishes so that means that there is no way they can "cut back" because they already are at the minimum.
So it goes from $13.00 per 2,000 gallons a month up to to $48.00 per 2,000 gallons a month.
$13.00x2=$26.00 (100% increase)
$13.00x3=$39.00 (200% increase)
$13.00x4=$52.00 (300% increase)
The new minimum is $4.00 less than a 300% increase for a minimum of 2,000 gallons of water.
I am taking the information in the news story for face value though there is a possibility that my figures are wrong (not perfect over here) because the story may be missing an important element because they do not mention whether there is a new official minimum of 1,000 gallons or the official minimum is still 2,000 gallons.
Clearly if the official minimum will still be 2,000 gallons, an $11.00 increase cannot be correct because that situation is missing 1,000 gallons of water. Is that an intentional media deception or just an oversight?
So my numbers are based upon a minimum of 2,000 gallons.
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Currently, residential customers are paying $13 per month as a minimum bill for 2,000 gallons of water. The minimum bill, once approved on second and third reading, would go to $24 for 1,000 gallons of water. That's an increase of $11. --Quote--
That leaves two questions...Has the minimum amount of gallons changed to 1,000 or is the minimum amount of gallons still the same as 2,000? Is this news story relating half the actual price increase?
So if it is still 2,000 gallons at $24.00 (13+11) per 1,000 gallons compared to the current rate this is a $35.00 a month increase.
Since the city is constructing an inflow water basin/reservoir, approximately $7,000,000 (7 million) dollars will be needed to finish work on the facility so that the water can be processed by the wastewater treatment plant.
City Recorder Terry Harrison supposedly said:
--We looked at all options.--
--We also looked for any grant monies that may be available to help fund such a project. They're just not out there.--
What about the Tennessee Municipal Bond Fund, a function that Harrison is readily familiar with?
http://www.tml1.org/bond_fund/index.htm
If available a 4% or less interest rate that is a steal.
As far as I am concerned this is all useless pork. A money give away for something that will be obsolete by almost 50 years when we really need it and will just have to do it all over again.
Reference:
http://www.tva.gov/river/watersupply/pdf/water_supply_report.pdf
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Water Supply Inventory Covers for 2005; Tennessee Valley Water Supply Inventory & Needs Analysis.
Pulaski Water System.
Water source: Richland Creek.
Water withdrawal in the year 2000: 3.09 million gallons per day.--Quote--
At the current rate of growth since the year 2000 Pulaski will need to withdraw 3.85 million gallons per day in the year 2030 (23 years from now).
Peak day withdrawal (year 2000): 4.63 million gallons.
Projected peak day withdrawal (year 2030) 5.78 millions gallons, 23 years from now.
So according to this news story when this expansion project is done the plant can pump 6 million gallons per day when according to the facts and figures WE ARE ONLY GOING TO NEED 3.85 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY 23 YEARS FROM NOW!!!!
EVEN THEN ONLY 5.78 MILLION GALLONS ON A PEAK DAY!!!!!
This project is money for nothing.
Can Richland creek AND the reservoir even produce that much water per day? Can these two water sources even keep up with such pumping capacity?
Can we cuss yet? You already are? OK.
7 million dollars in water customer monthly bill increases for a completely unnecessary, unneeded and unwarranted expansion project. Are there contractors splitting up that $7,000,000? How tight are they with City Hall?
Since we are only going to need 3.85 million gallons per day 23 years from now, how many decades will it be before we ever need the actual pumping capacity that this expansion is geared for?
We simply do not need this type of capacity and I think they know that but don't care. Once they get the $7,000,000 you know what? Our increased bills do not go down when the project is finished but at the same time if they attempted to raise our water bills this much without a "premise" there probably would be a riot so in effect after they get the $7,000,000 and the increases remain and that is a premise-less hike but no one would remember by then.
By the time we actually need this type of pumping capacity how many times between now and between the next 23 to 50 years is all this expansion equipment going to be obsolete, worn out, broken down and then here we go again?
There is no demand in or around Pulaski for this type of expansion. The only thing I could think of that would require such an expansion on the city water infrastructure is the addition of a methanol plant.
This expenditure of $7,000,000 is not needed and will be obsolete before Pulaski needs this type of capacity.
If this situation is not investigated by some type of legal authority this will go down in Giles County history as The Great Pulaski Water Rip Off.
(if I have made any errors please point them out)
To anonymous of 3 May 10:17 post
You are certainly on the right wave length and have the bottom line that every water customer in Pulaski will get the shaft with this huge and unnecessary increase.
Please check my post on 27 April 2:57, there I explained the cost. Basically you are right that the minimum bill will be $24.00 for just having water whether you use one gallon or a full thousand gallons it will be $24.00. The basic was $13.00 for 2000 gallons. After the thousand gallon mark is reached each additional thousand gallons will cost $6.99.
I strongly urge everyone call city hall, Dan Speer and each city councilman to complain about this abusive price gouge. I hope to be at the next city council meeting and hope everyone who can run, walk, crawl or be carried will be there to show their disgust at such an absurd increase. Allen Barrett
Firstly, special thanks to J. Kendrick McPeters for hosting the public forum Giles Free Speech Zone.
I have tried to get this issue/news posted on internet entities that offered visible feedback or forums functions but this water rate hike seems to be censored everywhere but here on Giles Free Speech Zone.
This looks like ground zero since I can't find any other function on the internet that allows community conversation on these particular issues.
If it also may be noted in the interest of the general public: Social Security recipients both retired and disabled, in January 2006 (3 months ago) received a 3.3% C.O.L.A. (Cost Of Living Increase).
Here it is beginning five months later, and at the rate of increase that the City of Pulaski proposes for water, they are taking that entire C.O.L.A. in one fell swoop. Actually, more than the actual C.O.L.A. if you know some SS recipients that might not mind telling you what was their 3.3% came out to be.
This is typical Neo Con (Neo Conservative Christian) doctrine that poor people or those on fixed incomes are cursed by God which is why they are poor and are not entitled to any consideration; a demonic teaching that they willingly inherited from the Pentecostal Charismatic Cult. From my inquiries the City of Pulaski does not even provide any discount for low income people, not even in Winter. They bleed every body and family dry.
At least they are consistent and do not discriminate in the fact that they screw everyone equally as is a common denominator with Bush worshipers being emotionally and mentally merciless people.
If none of the above then they are just plain evil without an excuse.
Also add that they hold a customers $150.00 deposit for 2 years when in reality it only requires one fiscal year (or 365 days) for the customer to legally demonstrate honesty and or solvency.
This entire scheme serves no one except the 'money" interests in or of Pulaski.
Our American government nor any aspect of it from the top down was never intended from the beginning to be a capitalistic venture, competing with privately owned business or stock holder controlled enterprise.
As a tax payer entity, Pulaski is involved in the profit making business competing with from what I can tell, telephone, cable and internet service. This is set up by our elected officials through a or by manipulating a third party, our utilities. When their scheming plans for profit fails who makes up the difference of the losses? Yeah, you and me. We are their taxpayer insurance company to offset their gambling ventures in the "market" that way they do not go into bankruptcy and face prosecution as long as they can keep their "financial head" above water not unlike the criminals that Neo Con Tennesseans incessantly vote to send to D.C. who are currently going down like a house of cards in a federal corruption scandal.
Our elected leaders in Tennessee no longer represent the people but they represent profits and what we do in essence when we cast our vote is to elect Chief Executive Officers and a Board of Directors so that our tax money goes not to serve the people at large of our jurisdiction but profits and those who have connections.
What to do, what to do.
Excellent post! Thanks.
In addition to the water rate hike being way above the COLA, the county employees are up for a 4% salary increase, worthy of it or not.
Interesting reading to say the least. I also agree 100%. This is all corrupt.
Everyone knows that the people or the citizens or the customers in this matter would hold no sway over those who intend on doing this even if they talked and reasoned themselves blue in the face. I'm sure that receiving input from concerned persons at a City Hall meeting would only be for public show thus making that forum a fraud since it is reasonably safe to assume up front that they are not backing down from these plans.
It is also a disgrace that no notice of this intended impending action planned for this month was included with this month of May's bill. They do not even have the moral courage to slip a public notice in with the bill. That is really scraping the bottom of the barrel and smacks of purposely hiding something. If they were regulated they would be required to give notice in order to allow rebuttal.
If they persist though there is recourse. I have no doubt that over 90% of water customers would lend their signatures to a public grievance all of whom would have the same common complaint.
You take that and turn it into a class action lawsuit. If no one is paying attention that will wake them up concerning a project that will have no real functional value for Pulaski water service for like was said, around 50 years plus going obsolete and or becoming worn out and needing replacement before the next half century rolls around and then they would just hike prices on our children again to pay for it.
There is every piece of evidence to show that this water project is a certifiable boondoggle.
The worst part for the customers is that municipal utilities are not regulated so there is no commission the customers can petition for mediation. The best part for the City is that they know they are not regulated thus any matters at hand begin and end with them. That is why I believe that is safe to say that they could care less what the general populace thinks given these privileged dictatorial powers.
I think it would be an open and shut case because there really is no plausible, reasonable or realistic premise for engaging in such a project.
http://www.alexanderlaw.com/class-action.html
"A class action is a powerful procedural tool to hold corporate wrongdoers accountable where there is widespread abuse of a large number of individuals who have suffered damages that individually are insufficient to support the cost of prosecuting individual claims."
Is everyone in public office here in Giles County corrupt? That seems to be a continual message from the malcontent gang.
The corrupt always claim to be just like everyone else. Tell them they're a liar or thief and they try to make it sound like everyone is called corrupt. A tick or two does not make the dog a tick!
With very, very few exceptions, we have excellent people in local government. Self confident, competent people don't expect hero badges. They have enough sense to know they're good and can easily feel the good vibes passed back to them when public deals with them!
How can Anonymous say that a person or people who complain and know that they are being financially being bled dry everywhere they turn for the past 6 or so years under the Bush administration be called malcontents?
In this event I would have to take the word "malcontent" as "disgusted" compared to sour people who are never content with anything or despise authority like anarchists.
I'm so glad we have a spring!!!
How much longer do you think it'll be before your spring is declared unsafe for human consumption? Already the reports are buzzing that children are suffering greater tooth decay from drinking bottled water because it doesn't contain floride and other chemicals the government has dictated "necessary" for proper growth. Allen Barrett
wab..
Why don't you launch a complete investigation and expose the wrong-doers? Again, something sinister must be going on.
City tax payer: look at the head of the snake. Your Mayor! Calls' all the meetings and post the agenda.
The same guy that pushed the Give Away (have to make a quick deal before they take one somewhere else, to the county commission) of the county owned spring.
They offered to buy it, but NO, let's give it to them !
Now you see who will pay for the new plant those people were going to build.
This extra cost will naturally be passed on the the other water districts that buy their water from the city.
I hope the county commissioners water bill get the same increase as the voters' that elected them.
To anonymous: Apparently you see no problem with 140% increase in your water bill but will you allow me to at least say, “OUCH” For me 140% is a very big bite out of my budget especially when I’m trying to make adjustments for gasoline and don’t have the luxury of demanding that someone else pay my way.
You speak of "something sinister (disturbing, threatening and evil) going on" I suggest you check with some of your elder neighbors on fixed incomes and ask them how a 140% increase will affect them. I believe they will tell you what "sinister is" Allen Barrett
Dear Anonymous Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:17:00 AM,
A couple of clarifications to your writing if I'm reading the first post correctly. These improvements that are being paid for by increasing your water bill and actually being made to the "WASTEWATER" treatment plant and not the Water treatment plant. Even though water usage may see a maximum day of 5.78 MGD, due to inflow and infiltration, the sewer system on a rainy day may see flows up to 6.0 MGD. Again, I'm going off of the first post which states the rate increase is due to paying for wastewater (sewer) plant improvements. It really has nothing to do with the water withdrawal permits or the water treatment plant.
If the wastewater plant is under sized (which is my understanding of why the improvements are being done) then most of the people on here complaining would also be the first in-line to bring a law suit for sewage backing up and bubbling up through manholes on private property. Don't get me wrong, the increase is HUGE, but at the same time, I don't want to have raw sewage coming up in my yard when it rains.
Just my thoughts.
wab said...Monday, May 07, 2007 3:08:00 PM
You are right. Wells and springs are being condemned at an enormous rate. Mainly to force those people onto a public utility and to receive a bill for thousands for the tap in front of their house even before they ever get a water bill because first things come first, cough up a few grand or no water and your spring is condemned.
It is even worse if their are children in the house because their parents will be arrested for giving unsafe water to children.
I know of a community of about 400 people who had clean fresh mountain water supplying a gravity driven water tower (no water bills) and their source was condemned then here come the water company with the water pipes and sewer pipes.
This fresh water is now tested clean as it ever was but now ends up sooner or later in the Mississippi.
I was talking to one lady over a year ago. She uses a spring and she said the City wants 10,000 up front to put a city water tap in front of her house.
Anonymous said...Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:27:00 PM
"I don't want to have raw sewage coming up in my yard when it rains."
These are separate drainage systems or natural waterways would be open sewers. Pulaski has high water several times since 2000 without becoming a cesspool.
Some localities have been known to employ the idea of geysers of sewage as scare tactics.
Anonymous said...Monday, May 07, 2007 10:37:00 PM
"I hope the county commissioners water bill get the same increase as the voters' that elected them."
If these things are passed then those who made sure it was passed will some time afterwards take care of their own personal finances as far as these increases are concerned with pay raises for themselves. That way they remain unaffected by any increases and the whole point in that is to make sure they break even or raise themselves far more than the increase.
Anonymous said...Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:27:00 PM
"the sewer system on a rainy day may see flows up to 6.0 MGD."
Stop allowing storm drainage water to enter the sewage system and allow it to run into the natural waterways since that is where it will be pumped from for use anyway.
Allowing storm water into the sewage drainage systems is an astronomical burden on waste water treatment because they are treating millions of gallons of rain water that need not be done this way.
This is an intentional burden on the system by flooding the sewage system with rain water.
I attended the city council meeting yesterday and was met with a very congenial greeting.
I was allowed to speak and raise questions about the water increase. At all times I was made to feel welcome and comfortable in addressing the council. I really appreciated that.
During this meeting I was issued a challenge to come up with a better, cheaper idea of how to comply with the state order for storm water disposal. So while I research from this end I request everyone to please help out and submit your ideas on this thread of the blog.
If the huge increase is to be stopped it is going to take a great effort on the part of many.
The following is the text of my statements to the Council. I have included their response and then some notations in brackets.
This is the report given by WKSR and posted on their website 25 April 2007
You can start planning for a substantial increase in your water and sewer rates. The Pulaski City Council voted on first reading a resolution to raise the rates to help fund work being doing at the Wastewater Treatment Plant. The city is in the process of constructing an inflow water basin that will catch run-off rainwater and hold it until it can be processed by the Wastewater Treatment Plant. The current facilities can process approximately 4 million gallons per day. Once the renovations to the Wastewater Treatment Plant are made, the facility would be able to process up to 6 million gallons per day.
Concerning the inflow basin, Harrison said that water would be pumped daily and would not pose a risk to the public. “This is something that must be done,” City Recorder Terry Harrison told the Mayor and Aldermen. The increase to the customer should be enough to pay the approximately $7-million dollars that will be needed to finish work on the facility. According to Harrison the note is stretched out over twenty years.
Currently, residential customers are paying $13 per month as a minimum bill for 2,000 gallons of water. The minimum bill, once approved on second and third reading, would go to $24 for 1,000 gallons of water. That’s an increase of $11.
Questions: If the city has already begun construction on this project…. How much has already been spent, where did the money come from and who authorized the work to begin and when? ( The mayor stated that no work had begun, that the radio had gotten it wrong.) [Whether the mayor is mistaken or not can be determined by looking at the lagoon already being dug].
Question: Currently they process 4 million gallons and after completion they will be able to pump 6 million gallons. So in order to pump two million gallons we’re expected to pay 7 Million dollars? How many days in the past year has there actually been 4 million gallons processed? (Average is less than 2 million gallons but when it rains a lot more has to be processed.) [The storm drains of Pulaski only cover 20% of the area according to MTIDA. Even after the massive expansion they will not be able to process all the storm water “expected” immediately. To accommodate the excess water a lagoon or holding area is to be built. My question is why not simply make the lagoon large enough to hold the water now and process it in the current facility that is being underused. ]
Question: Where is the “order” requiring such a project and who is it from? I would like a copy. What are the specific grants that have been pursued? (I was given a copy of the “order” and told we were subject to a $100,000.00 fine if we didn’t comply. I was also told that all possible grants had been pursued.) [The order is from the Tennessee Department of Environment and Conservation, Case number 04-0345 dated 13 December 2004.) [After reading this document very thoroughly there is absolutely nothing that requires a new facility or even an increase in processing capacity. There is a requirement that a plan be filed within 90 days of receiving the order under penalty of a $15,000 fine and $20,000 each month for two months then $45,000 if the “plan” has not been filed. When I mentioned the specific “Wastewater Works Grant” TCA 68-221-806 and part 8 Wastewater Treatment Works Construction Grants” I was told “I’ve never heard of such a grant and all grants had been pursued”.]
Question: While the increase in the basic residential bill is $11.00 that is not an accurate reflection of the increase is it? The actual increase is $18.00 based on the fact that presently we pay the basic rate of $13.00 for 2000 gallons. The increase requires we pay $24.00 for a thousand gallons then $6.99 for the next thousand gallons. That is a 140% increase in the basic bill, which is outrageous. (We know it’s a lot but we have to do it. We’ve looked at every option there’s no other way.) [According to the order I was given the only thing that is required was to file a plan. The only requirement is to develop a lagoon to serve as a holding area until the water can be processed]
Question: How many seniors in town living on a fixed income can possibly absorb such an increase without major consequences? There was only a little over 4% increase in social security benefits much of which was eaten up by Medicare not to mention the price of gasoline. What are they to do? (No response)
This increase is not reasonable, it was not completely honest in the way it was presented and with it you are creating an incredible hardship on the people you are suppose to represent. I urge you to please reconsider this matter and vote no on this.
The Council voted unanimously to approve the increase and were about to have a third reading and vote so that the increase could be included in next months water bill. I questioned the fact that T.C.A. 68-221-1107 “Facilities Users Fees”, required a thirty day notice be placed in the local newspaper prior to any meeting where an increase of fees is to be decided. The Council voted to put off the final vote until next month.
Folks we have until the next City Council meeting to find a way of stopping this absurd increase in water rates. Allen Barrett
We love our spring water-we have 7 natural springs on our property, we have two children who go to the dentist twice or more times if needed but they have only had two cavities each their whole lives and we run our water thru a purifier-So I think we're doing something right-We love our free water-
Not only the citizen of Pulaski but everyone in the county that is on a water district best be at the next meeting.
All the water districts purchase from the city of Pulaski.
If this increase goes into effect without a REAL NEED and that does not appear to be the case from what Mr. Barrett obtained from the last meeting, every water district will raise their billing to off set the increase.
Voter or Not, if you drink water you better express you opinion on this one!!!
Instead of trying build an ark in a poo pond, why not let the flood water go where it naturally wants to go & keep it out of the poo pipes. Make the poo'd piper the head of poopolice & all will follow & be happily forever after.
Perhaps the reporter should investigate the poopolice and expose all poop?
After leaving the City Council this noon I can not possibly describe how badly I felt in need of a shower. I watched as every matter was passed without as much as one question from the council. The water rate increase was approved without any questions from the council. Was this matter discussed in secret meetings away from public ears? Surely these good men and women would not impose such a hardship on the city residents without any discussion at all, would they? If they did have those discussions, if there were questions when and where were they voiced? I know of no public meeting where this matter was discussed other than what little I was allowed to express. The mayor says that he was on the radio telling everyone about this for months. If that is true at best only one side was ever heard. Why will the mayor not debate this issue on the radio is it for fear of discrediting all his propaganda?
When did a council member ever ask the mayor to show the mandate from the state? When was the mayor questioned about the difficulties this increase would cause? When were the discussions held that showed the current levels of treatment of wastewaters is only a bit over half the current capacity? In what public meeting was it discussed and agreed not to raise the industrial rate?
The truth of the matter is I doubt any public meetings were held where these things took place as they should have. The truth is the state has not mandated any such wastewater treatment facility be built and in fact agree that a large lagoon for holding wastewater until it can be treated is well within their requirements.
The mayor through fraud, deceptions and a passive council has perpetrated a heinous hoax on the entire community. There is a major conflict of interest in being both the mayor and head of industrial development; this issue of the water rate increase is a major revelation of that conflict. Allen Barrett
The truth of the matter is that nobody asked for your input. You are not "in charge", and how that must smart.
a-nag-u-must, wrong again. I asked for his input and I appreciate his being at the meeting that I could not attend. He may not be in charge, (that's a shame) but he seems to be one of only a very few willing to ask questions and challenge those posing as leaders. Guess that's why you're such a wab wannabe.
To anonymous of 22 May 6:24
“The truth of the matter is”, whether anyone asked for my input or not is totally irrelevant. I did not claim to represent anyone but myself. The matter I spoke of is one that involves and impacts very negatively on many who could not or would not speak for themselves.
It’s obvious that I am not in charge and I certainly haven’t claimed to be, if I was the seven million dollar deception would be dead in the water.
The question I would ask of you is where were you during the meeting? Do you support the 140% rate hike? Do you accept the propaganda claiming the state mandated building the new facility when the state agency says they did not and even those on the city council acknowledge they did not? Just what is your involvement with your community other than to stand on the sidelines and complain that lies and liars are being exposed?
Allen Barrett
My meter was read several days before this law was passed so if they give me a bill for the increase before the next meter reading didn't they commit a crime?
To anonymous, The increase can not take place before 22 May. If your bill reflects the increase please give me a call, or post it on this blog. Thanks. Allen Barrett
Mr. Barrett,
I would like to know the name of the person at the State that said this project was not required. Who did you speak with at TDEC when you stated, "when the state agency says they did not"? I would also like the phone number so I can call them as well.
Thanks!
unsmart bart...
Now I know you are a mebr of the whine gang. And, being wrong yet again, let me just say that I have no earthly desire to be like your hero.
He "suggests" that I am one who stands on the sidelines and complains, and that I am indifferent to goings-on in Giles County. Wrong! One does not have to be a troublemaker and whiner to be a concerned citizen.
To Anonymous of 23 May 3:30 post.
The phone number to the state Department of Environment and Conservation is 1-615-532-0131. Be prepared for transfers and waits. It will help by having the
Case No. 04-0345. I'm sorry that I can't tell you the name of the person
I spoke with who was so candid but they only spoke openly because I gave my word not to divulge their identity.
An easier thing is to simply call the city and ask for a copy of the order that mandates, orders, request, suggest or in anyway tells the city they “must” build a bigger waste water facility. It can not be produced because it does not exist.
To everyone else, some questions you might ask the city officials is about how they were able to take bids from Richland Steel and Lincoln Utility for work on the wastewater treatment and inflow holding basin before there was even approval for the rate increase. Other questions concern the Industrial Park Drainage project at over a hundred thousand dollars. Where is the money coming from for this project?
The biggest question is this rate increase will produce approximately $69,984 more dollars each month going into the water department. This is supposed to pay for the seven million dollar loan to build the facility. The loan is made for twenty years; even public school math tells us that’s over $16,800,000 over the twenty year period. Either we are being taken or else we are being taken. With that amount of money the loan could be paid off in eight years interest and all.
Why were we lied too about the increase be only eleven dollars? Why were we lied to about the requirement for the project? Why are we paying almost seventeen million dollars back for a seven million dollar loan? One question that keeps coming up over and over is has the mayor so mixed his duties and responsibilities as mayor and Industrial Recruiter that the people are being shafted. Now if the mayor or anyone else wants to question what I have written, I have challenged him to an open debate on WKSR which he has refused, that challenge is open for anyone that questions what I have written and would like to make me look totally stupid and shut me up. Allen Barrett
Raising money for his sports complex.
"The biggest question is this rate increase will produce approximately $69,984 more dollars each month going into the water department. This is supposed to pay for the seven million dollar loan to build the facility. The loan is made for twenty years; even public school math tells us that’s over $16,800,000 over the twenty year period. Either we are being taken or else we are being taken. With that amount of money the loan could be paid off in eight years interest and all." Allen Barrett
Smells like fraud and profiteering with the water company making out like a bandit. From what I understand, legally, the increase is instituted to pay off the loan with no word in the paperwork for the cause of the extra money.
The rate hike has been passed "as is" so the reason for the increase should be legally binding and NOT one penny more and the excess is illegal.
"Why are we paying almost seventeen million dollars back for a seven million dollar loan?" Allen Barrett
Do those papers you have say anything about the interest on that loan? Figure that in and see what you come up with then the balance is excess.
Once the loan is paid the municipal water company keeps the money free and clear and doing so STILL under the guise of the original reason for the increase which by this future time has become void.
Plus rates WON'T go down once the loan is paid so this is a free gravy train not only in charging the customers more than the price to pay off the loan plus interest the rates stay up after the loan is paid so this is a double boon.
In my opinion this excess money is what needs to be investigated because it is like double billing or gouging and is a summary increase in water rates without probable cause or explanation or justification.
They have a financial deal to stretch out over 20 years what we can pay off at the current rate of increase in 8 years.
So in effect, what they are taking in extra per month through this increase, only a small portion of that increase is really going to pay off the loan and the water company pockets the balance.
If this can be paid off in 8 years at the current increase rate, obviously only a fraction of the increase is actually going to pay off the loan and the monthly balance is like the water company having its own money printing press.
Is this stealing?
Is this extra money going to be diverted somewhere else? What are the itemized stipulations of this rate increase law that make accounting for this extra money?
Seems that the only two ethical things to do is to call the creditor and reconfigure the loan for 8 years or slash the rate of the water bill increase to match a 20 year payment schedule.
Or, repeal this increase in its entirety and rewrite it and re-pass it so that it will contain an itemized list of what all this extra money is for beyond the value of repaying the loan.
wab...
You challenged the Mayor to a debate? Hilarious. Do you have ANY earthly idea why he refused? I seriously doubt that you do.
I thought you were an unbiased reporter?
Finally, nobody is trying to make you look stupid (that appears to be your job) although I'm quite sure there are many who wish you would simply shut up. But we all know that's not going to happen anytime soon.
$7 Million for Water Dept. $7 Million for Sports Complex. Makes sense to me.
a-nag-u-must
There you go again whining about your unfulfilled desire to think. Telling WAB, “I thought you were an unbiased reporter? It’s apparent that unlike you WAB seems to be able to use both sides of his brain and isn’t limited to only one thing. Maybe you should try a little flexibility in thinking but be careful it’s not for amateurs and I’d hate for you to hurt yourself. Can you imagine what people would say if you were hospitalized for a suicide attempt by thinking?
"Anonymous said...
$7 Million for Water Dept. $7 Million for Sports Complex. Makes sense to me."
That still leaves $2,800,000.
Incidentals? Petty cash? Costs over runs so the contractors can pad the bills beyond the bid?
Maybe they will throw us a weekend block party and hose us down with some of that liquid gold from the new reservoir?
The water mess should just about eliminate any hope of getting new business to locate here!
Someone said Spear raised the rates because the milky Way thing got shot down & he promised them he could get it done free.
You know, I was thinking this probably tied in with Milky Way. Too obvious.
un-smart bart....
You are so into hero worship that you can't think rationally. And you have the nerve to suggest that I am unable to think for myself? Hilarious.
Bart's right, you need help. Buy yourself a talking Barbie pull the string every few minutes, listen, & eventually you may be able to say something coherent.
m27 930p Was trying to tie the babble in with the Hilarity & laughter - figured it out. There is a chimp cage somewhere in Fla. where they do that - babble a bit & then scream with laughter - can hear them for miles. How did you escape. Are you the one doing the cave man commercials? What would you do if we threw you a bannana? I know, pick feas off your corrupt buddies.
What a joke you whiners are. I'm still waiting for any of you to say anything positive about anyone in elected positions here in Giles County. Your jealousy and arrogance know no bounds.
You don't know the difference between a whine and a snicker. You run for cover every time someone takes a shot at you & your corrupt buddy. It's snake season & nobody is after anything but snakes, so - run for cover! I don't see other elected officials running with you! They don't like snakes - we dont like snakes.
I've seen a couple of chicken snakes already this year, but I always let them go because they supposedly devour copperheads.
Now there's a topic that needs some investigating!
Must be a lesson there. If the copperheads run snake schools, pretty soon everyone will think chicken snakes are copper heads & will eliminate them. Of course, everyone will be taught to believe the copperhead is a chicken snake & won't know the difference until bitten - Then, it's too late. You have defined our problem!
A slip of the snakes tongue
from who flung dung
Two to one odds:
There will be just enough spare money to do the MW water works!
Merlin
Anonymous..
No, it is you guys who want to convince everyone that those in elected office are the copperheads. But that dog isn't going to hunt, is it?
Let's see - the snake says snakes are everywhere, but we only see one. The snake says they're chicken snakes, but we see a copperhead. The snake says the dog can't hunt, but we can! What would you say if you were the copperhead caught out in the open?
Here's my take on the snake situation. The small group of malcontents are the real snakes, but they constantly harp on the idea that they are here to educate Giles Countians on what is best for them. Of course, this is all rooted in a genuine love for humanity. What a joke.
For the umpteenth time I'm asking you who you consider to be the group of malcontents. Dont you have balls enough to answer?
What are the snakes "For".
1) closed government
2) secret meetings and gatherings to determine county business
3) increased taxes
4) report whatever they want to report - make bad things look good
5) hire key incompetent people who can't figure out what is going on
It's too long a list to put on this thing.
Who is in favor of all this? a very very small group of connivers, a very very few elected officials, some hangers on, & some who have an anal proboscupiety and hero "warship" of anyone who is in power and not afraid to do anything to enforce their will on everyone.
sounds like a snake or two doesn't it!
Anonymous...Don't pretend you don't know. Most of them are the ones who are sore and jealous about losing the last election. The rest of them are made up of those who bought into their envy and jealousy and who can't find one single thing good about the county. Of course, you knew that, didn't you?
A paranoid snake with dilusions of power. Your nemisis loves the county enough to fight for it, listen to your garbage without giving you a swirlie or two, and willing to be harassed by corrupted idiots like you. Why not coil up & take a nap - in the middle of the road. see if you can stretch all the way across, so no can miss you.
Your hero snake loves himself enough to make loud noises and be seen. He is not doing anything to help the county. He is only rattling. Tell me, what has he accomplished? He makes a lot of noise, then nothing gets done. He needs to try a different approach. It may be too late for that.
June 2, 2:20 pm
As I said, no balls. You are still saying nothing.
Anonymous...
Your description of the "hero snake" sounds a lot like wab. Is that who you are referring to? You mentioned that this snake makes loud noises. Just wondering.
There is no one in this whole county that makes a louder more useless noise than the cowardly a-nag-u-must that just whines and whines and whines about those who do get involved and make an effort to make things better. I don't know wab very well but he has to be OK if for no other reason than a-nag-u-must just can't stand him. Personally I find wab very likable, he just don't have much patience with those who try to silence him or treat him disrespectfully. He impresses me as a real "kick a-- and take names" kind of person. One thing I know is his combination of brains and guts have made him a person to reckon with.
Bart....
But it's perfectly ok for your hero to be rude and disrespectful to anyone he chooses? That's hardly fair, wouldn't you think?
As for my being a coward, you have no clue how uncowardly I am. After some of the things I've been through, I don't have enough sense to fear people.
I neither like nor dislike your hero, but I will tell you that I vehemently dislike his manner of dealing with people who disagree with him.
Is it ok if I just call you bart from now on? I'm not sure which personality you are anymore.
Proboscupiety?
Who's nose?
Rector knows?
Nose up rectum.
The Riddler returns?
I liken it more to a combination of ego and superiority complex.
Let us see, this is supposed to be about water. - getting hose'd down?
Findings -
Leader wants to spend scads of money
Water works ain't workin - got lots of write ups to prove it -
doesn't have to be raining for the water works to be screwed, gummed up, & relieving itself on private property. It's a real pile of dung according to those with a nose.
old people have nothing else to worry about so need to change location of pain from perceived dung in the water, to point where they can't afford water & will either be happy with a little dung or die of thirst. Let's raise their bill 50% because they aren't working & let the high rollers off the hook because they can spend more money that poor people.
We could build a "S" pit, but that would thyme, & save a dime & time.
In another light, we might find matching tax money and be able to spend two or three times more of your money, spend it here, there, everywhere, and make you think you got two times as much (of nothing) for nothing.
If you feel like you've been harpooned, reconsider, it's just another spear in the rear.
Oh, a-nag-u-must, a-nag-u-must, where for art thou a-nag-u-must. “Why I’m right here shaking in the shadows terrified someone will find out who I am”.
You’re right a-nag-u-must, I have no clue how “uncowardly” you are because all I have to go on is what you say and what you do and so far both have been the actions of a very, very cowardly person. How else would you describe someone who hides their identity while attacking viciously the character and actions of others through lies and unfounded rumors? You are the lowest form of black hearted coward for it’s not from a lack of courage that drives you underground into your burrow of self inflated righteousness; it’s the total lack of character and integrity. A person lacking courage in the face of danger can be excused but there is no excuse for a person made cowardly by their lack of character and integrity. Not having anything but self to believe in makes you unwilling to do anything but protect self. Unfortunately, it’s that same self centeredness that causes you to hate those who do have character and integrity, for their bravery only magnifies your own insignificance. It’s fear that keeps you in the shadows and it’s fear that prevents you making the effort to be involved with making your community a better place and it’s fear that causes you to lash out against those who do make that effort. You are worse than a coward, you are a slug that leaves nothing behind but a trail of slime as the only sign you were even here.
Blessed are those who give so much to the aged, poor, and afflicted.
1. There is a reason to get up and work tomorrow. (If you don't, they'll rurn off your water and you'll die of thirst.)
2. There is a reason to look forward to next saturday. (The Saturday bath ritual will replace the daily shower)
3. There is a reason to save and plan for a monthly ritual. (No money, no water)
The spear is mightier than the sword - you can harpoon someone from the bushes & they'll never see who did it.
bart....
I just can't get over how full of hate you are. I don't care to know who you are. But if I did know, I would never allow you to talk to me in person the way you do on this blog. You would regret that big time. Now who is the real coward here?
I've tried to be civil with you, but you keep calling me names and making personal attacks because I find fault with your hero.
As I have told you before (and this applies to you as well) I may think someone a complete idiot, but I have more class than to get on a public blog and call names.
To a-nag-u-must, I'm sure you don't care to know me and I'm not full of hate as you claim (just proves so far you've gotten nothing right). One thing you could be sure of if you did know me is that I would talk to you anyway I please and there's nothing a coward like you would do but wet his pants. The real coward is still you because you attack with lies while hiding in the shadows. There's nothing wrong with being anonymous unless you hide behind it to spread lies and rumors as you have done.
If you have tried to be civil you have failed miserably at it. All that you have done against wab is make "personal attacks" call him names and offer not one thing to disprove what he has said. You.ve even gone so far as to say you didn't care about any facts he offered you just didn't like him. You have falsely and continueously called him names just as you defined me as full of hate. You have attributed to him the very traits you display in your writings and that is why everytime you post I will have a response,it really has nothing to do with wab it's just your arrogance and self importance that makes me want to throw up.
bart...
Wrong again. You might start out talking to me any old way you wanted, but that would stop fast. Trust me on that.
As for your cherished hero, you are AGAIN wrong. This is unbelievable. He can call people idiots, anal buffoons, and anything else he pleases, and you call that responding to personal attacks. Don't you have it a bit backward?
I've never met your hero, and, quite honestly, don't want to. The thing that caught my attention on here was the way he talks to people. That is precisely why I challenge him.
Please cite one example of a situation wherein I called him a name. Some have stooped to that level, but I assure you it was not me!
To a-nag-u-must,
Well, you called me hate filled on Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:12:00 AM. Just on this thread alone you have referred either to me or wab over eight times as Whiners several times; not rational on may 27 9:30; stupid on May 25, 7:57; troublemaker May 23, 6:12; malcontent June 2, 9:13; jealous and envious June 2, 2:20pm; hero and hero snake June 2, 6:16pm.
so there you are now you should be pleased you're not only revealed as a coward but also a liar.
bart...
Uh.....were those "names" specifically directed at you or your hero? I don't think so. But, if the shoe fits, wear it.
You do realize that there is a small group of malcontents here in Giles County who actually are troublemakers? And you do know that they constantly whine and complain about something or somebody? You also know that some of these people are envious and jealous of those who have the power they so desperately want? Hey, don't take my word for this. Just ask around town.
And, on a final note, did you not realize that I was merely describing behavior? Laughable.
To a-nag-u-must,
You take great liberties with your statement, “You do realize that there is a small group of malcontents here in Giles County who actually are troublemakers? And you do know that they constantly whine and complain about something or somebody? You also know that some of these people are envious and jealous of those who have the power they so desperately want?” You have again revealed your great psychic powers to determine what others know. I do not realize or know any of the things you claim that I know in your genuinely ludicrous statement.
Three questions I must ask based on your 8:15 post.
First question concerns “the small group of malcontents” as you describe them. As others have asked you before I ask you now, will you be so bold as to identify those individuals in the small group you seem to be so familiar with and keep referring to? Obviously, there is nothing for you to fear in revealing these names since you continue to hide your identity under the anonymous label.
Second question has to do with the part where you state, “Hey, don't take my word for this. Just ask around town.”
On at least two other occasions you have chosen to make statements based on what others tell you instead of thinking for yourself and doing a little research to find the level of truth in what others say. My question is do you have any actual knowledge of any National, State, County or City business that has not been a result of someone else telling it to you? In other words do you know anything other than what someone tells you?
Third question concerns your last sentence. Help me understand if you will please, why is it called "describing behavior” when you do it but its name calling when others do it?
Simply by reading your post most anyone can see what a pathetic little person you are and it’s because of that, that I don’t expect you to answer the simple questions I have asked of you.
bart...
You accuse me of being so cowardly as to sign my posts as anonymous. That is absurd, because you sign as bart.
I tried to explain to you that your hero used that same concept when he called me a nam (noun). He said he wasn't calling me a name but rather, was simply describing my behavior. When I do that, I'm calling names? Ridiculous.
Ok I will do this one last time. When I said I only kknow what others tell me, I was referring to the way people outside the county laugh at all the bickering and whioning here. You already know that, so I'm merely refreshing the minds of the readers so you don't get away with spinning it into something else.
I have a question for you. Are you by any chance the guy with the funny blue head? So funny.
As for my having a lack of knowledge (a tired cliche from you know who), I am well read and I'm keenly aware of what the malcontents are trying to do. Just because I beg to differ makes me intellectually inferior to these people. Hardly the case.
What happened to the water issue?
Is anyone looking into approximately 16,000,000 to pay off an increase imposed for the purpose of paying off a 6 or 7 million dollar loan?
For a change, probe that instead of each other.
Bad Bart asked you to identify those you call the "malcontents group" but you still fail to do so. Is it just a figment of your imagination? If not, put some names where your mouth is or you will forever be disbelieved. You can still sign as anonymous.
1040 you forgot to put the "b" before "read" in your last para. & well bread, in your case could mean toast or what happens when the bull gets loose.
After reading the Corrective Action Plan # 04-0345 submitted by the city to the state August 2005 and revised January 2006, there is absolutely no question that the State did not mandate anything from Pulaski other than a plan to correct an overflow and flow blending problem.
Page 35 gives the corrective actions that are “suggested” not by the state but by the city. “Improvements should be implemented to achieve NPDES permit compliance. Modifications include modifications to the main SPS and rehab of lower Pleasant Run Basin. Improvements include an inflow holding basin, headworks alteration, raising the walls and installing new fine bubble aeration basins a new final clarifier and headhouse, conversion of the existing elevated clarifier to a gravity thickener, new ultraviolent disinfection (optional) and a new lab building”.
Now the most interesting thing is that by their own growth projections Pulaski will not exceed the current wastewater capacity levels until sometime after 2025. I asked one of the alderpersons if they had read the C.A.P. no was their response. I asked how can you justify borrowing 7 million dollars and not even read the C.A.P. that you say requires this expenditure? No answer. I asked if he knew that the current level of capacity would not be reached until sometime after 2025 by their own estimates. His response was, and I appreciated his finally getting honest, “well we wanted it and we did it.”
Now consider how they did it. There are 3100 (their number) water customers. 3100 times $18.00 equals $55,800 new dollars going into the water department each month. That is $669,600.00 new dollars each year. So why did they borrow 7 million dollars at 4% for twenty years? Consider that 669,600 dollars for twenty years comes to $13,392,000. Mr. Harrison the city recorder would have us believe that the extra is for debt service and interest, my, my. According to the minutes of the meetings there weren’t even any questions or objections expressed by the Council unless it was in a meeting like the one held Monday, in violation of the state open meetings law, to discuss the budget.
Now consider this, last week Melissa Crouch, Chief Operator City of Pulaski Wastewater Treatment Plant had a guest column where I was attacked repeatedly for my little 600 word letter, what she failed to say in her six half page columns was that she lives in the county and thus will be exempted from the rate increase. Also exempted are all non residential rates. So what that means is that at least four alderpersons and the city recorder exempted their businesses or places of work for increases. I asked the mayor and council which was better able to absorb this incredible $18.00 increase a company like Fafnir or an eighty year old person living on only their Social Security income. I said it loud but I guess they didn’t hear because so far no one has answered, think it would be wise to hold my breath until they do answer?
I urge you to call the mayor and the alderpersons ask them questions from this information and let me know what there response is. Ask the mayor, who pushed this project and straight out lied about it being mandated by the state, why he will not debate me on the radio or any other public forum about this issue. Allen Barrett
wow...calling the mayor a liar. Now that was a name (noun) and not merely describing behavior. So incredibly laughable.
To anonymous...
Just because bart asked me to name the malcontents in this county does NOT mean I am obligated to do so. If you don't know who they are, simply ask around town. It won't take long to find out.
To anonymous of 9:04 post,
If you have a problem with me calling the mayor a liar for saying that the state mandated the building of a new wastewater plant, perhaps you could suggest a different name to describe someone who gets on the radio, in the newspaper and in person and declares something that is blatantly false to be true. I know there are other nicer words to describe a liar but when a person rips off older people just because he can then tries to justify it by telling things that are not true I don’t think they deserve anything better than the worst. Maybe you could suggest to your friend that he sue me for defamation of character… I would absolutely love to go to court over that. Allen Barrett
wab...
I'm sure you would love to go to court. I doubt that you would avoid a chance to be seen and heard. NOBODY said you were wrong, so let's move past that, ok?
The problem with you has been and remains your arrogance and a delusion of superior intelligence when it comes to people who disagree with you. Have you never considered this? I'm sure there are others who have mentioned it to you.
By the way, how is your lawsuit against the lawyer going?
wab
I have a problem with lots of names you call people, even though you defend yourself by saying you are only describing their behavior. What a laugh!
To anonymous, I appreciate your statement, "NOBODY said you were wrong, so let's move past that, ok?" The problem is if I am not wrong and the mayor has done this what are you willing to do about it or will you simply accept it and go on enabling him.
Look, I'm going to try once more to help you understand how very wrong you are about what I think of myself. I am not an arrogant person; if I were I would not even try to explain this to you. As for having, "a delusion of superior intelligence when it comes to people who disagree", you couldn't be more wrong. I'm of average intelligence. There are some things I know a good deal about but there is far more that I know nothing about. I simply limit what I am talking about to those few things that I do know. When I know I am right about a thing and it is important I will not easily back down. Things that are unimportant I try not to even bother with. Regardless of what I know, think I know or have no knowledge of I will listen respectfully as long as the other person is respectful and not jiving me. If I had listened to others and followed them when I knew I was right, I would hate to think where I would be and what a disaster my life would have been. So no matter how often you repeat your "he's so arrogant and thinks he's smart" mantra I will not change my character or sacrifice my integrity.
The lawsuit is progressing just fine thank you. Allen Barrett
I would like to offer a few words but I need a few bits of information since I am not that familiar with the powers that be.
Does any one know the religious status of city government?
Maybe they are christians and go to church?
Maybe they are atheists and have nothing to do with religion?
What does religious affiliation have to do with city government, haven't you heard of the separation of church and state?
So that's the problem with city government... It's separated from the body of Christ!
Business' do not have to pay the increase?
That act in itself is worth a lawsuit.
They use the sewer system too and the plant processes their wastewater just as much as anyone else.
I guess we will see them all washing their cars at work now. Some trucking water home. Maybe even adding a shower stall at work.
If business' had to pay the increase how much you want to bet they would mobilize sue the city in a heartbeat?
And be successful at it?
So successful in fact that it would never go to court since the mere threat of such a thing from that type of group would send City Hall out the door with its tail between its legs.
Since they aren't paying the increase maybe this scenario has already taken place behind the scenes?
But wab, in all honesty and candor, you just cannot see it in yourself. That's why I had hoped someone would pull you aside and simply tell you to turn the rhetoric down a notch. In fact, some never see it, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Those who have grandiose feelings of self worth and greatness are the last ones who see it.
As for enabling corruption, that has got to be my laugh for the day. I enable nobody and think for myself. I have never said I disagreed with your "truths.
So once again, I'm just trying to help you clear up your misunderstandings.
The question is still outstanding:
"Does any one know the religious status of city government?
Maybe they are christians and go to church?
Maybe they are atheists and have nothing to do with religion?"
It is important to compare their governmental decisions to the wishes of their God, if any.
It helps to understand why people do the things they do, that's all.
June 10, 11:26
Are you suggesting that those who attend church are more apt to do the right thing when it comes to government work?
"Anonymous said...June 10, 11:26 Are you suggesting that those who attend church are more apt to do the right thing when it comes to government work?"
No. It is just good to know a persons guiding principles either way compared to their actions in the world.
An atheist inevitably would be guided by the laws of the land and one who was an adherent to the Bible or other holy book would be inevitably bound by the principles therein.
Their actions and what they do to people singularly or collectively or are judged by their particular value system.
If no then the laws of the land mean nothing or the contents of the holy book mean nothing. In that event neither person would be what they say they are.
Sounds like a non-issue.
"Anonymous said... Monday, June 11, 2007 3:41:00 PM. Sounds like a non-issue."
Hypocrisy or criminality are critical issues.
Though I will give you the benefit of a doubt and say that if it is a non issue, it would not appear to be an issue to a criminal or a hypocrite since such types find no inherent problem with either one.
Sadly criminality and hypocrisy are two pervasive qualities of our society.
To properly decide ones criminality or hypocrisy, one must know what one would claim to be their guiding principles because their actions in the world are judged by those same principles. Except to criminals an hypocrites of course.
What I meant was it is a non-issue as far as the local city government is concerned. What could you possibly do with the information if you knew whether the mayor and each alderman have church affiliation or not?
"Anonymous said... Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:39:00 AM What I meant was it is a non-issue as far as the local city government is concerned. What could you possibly do with the information if you knew whether the mayor and each alderman have church affiliation or not?"
Asking what would be done with the information reflects fear and paranoia.
There is nothing to "do" with the information but there is plenty to understand. Church type affiliation or church going is also irrelevant.
Knowing what drives people helps understand their actions.
If no one knows whether they are Christians or atheists or whatever it doesn't matter really since a persons actions in general reflect their guiding principles in reverse.
So really knowing what I asked would only serve to define either hypocrisy or criminality which is secondary to the actual actions anyway.
Absolute nonsense.
I must say that I know elected officials in this county who ARE Christian people and who are accused of lying, stealing, misrepresenting the "truth", etc. The irony of it all is that the main one doing the accusing calls himself a man of God. Go figure.
No, I dont believe the man who you refer to calls himself "a man of God". Thats the words of those who oppose him so vehemently on this blog.
Ask him. He IS a preacher and he DOES think himself to be a man of God.
Here's another irony for you. He can call people anything he chooses and say he is describing their behavior, but anytime that is done to him, he yells foul. Wouldn't you call that ironic?
To a-nag-u-must, you just keep proving over and over that you are not only stupid but a liar as well. I’m willing to bet that you have never, ever heard wab refer to himself as a “Man of God” in terms of being more special than any other Christian. You see as Christians all males become “Men of God” just as females become “Women of God”. Just another example of you in your very narrow-mindedness trying to speak on matters you have extremely limited knowledge of.
It amazes me that you know so much about what the man “thinks” when you claim to have never even spoken with him. A couple of things that are said “about town”, which seems to be where all your information comes from, that you fail to mention. First, from those with real first hand knowledge comes the information that Mr. Barrett is an outstanding minister and preacher, get someone to explain that the two are not always the same, He’s different, not always stuffed up in a suit but down to earth a regular guy. The second thing, I dare say even his most harsh critics will tell you is he will not intentionally lie to you. You may not like what he says but you can not dispute his sincerity. Even when he has been wrong on this blog he has admitted it, apologized and taken responsibility for his error. Third, most of what I know about wab is what I have learned from others, his campaign statements, what he has written on this blog and what I have observed in the courthouse, while you proclaim yourself a conservative he demonstrates those conservative values that made this country great. While wab would have been helping throw the tea into Boston Harbor you would have been with your Tory friends in the inn talking about how badly King George needed the tax on tea.
The fourth thing and this is what has impressed me the most, while wab has said things I may not especially like or in a way that I might dislike he has put his name on what he has written. When he has referred to others in less than flattering terms he has put his name on it. You on the other hand have hidden behind your unknown identity to attack and call people all sorts of names from the comfort of your darkened closet. As has been pointed out to you before, using the label anonymous or another nom de plume is very appropriate until you begin hiding behind it to attack and lie about someone without their being able to challenge you or your honesty. The very fact that you have wrongly accused wab of doing many of the very things you clearly do makes you a very vile, loathsome little person.
Well said Bad Bart. Thank you.
It's hard to tell who is who around here.
wab=Wiliam Alan Barret=Minister right?
Dan Speer=Mayor right? (minister?)
J. Kendrick McPeters=Blog Owner right?
bart...
And you don't hide yourself in anonymity by signing as "bart"? Such hypocrisy to accuse me of the very thing you do. You may as well sign as anonymous.
As for your hero actually claiming to be a man of God, he accepts that title as a minister. In other words, it goes with the territory. Have you never heard of a preacher being called "a man of the cloth"? It's just another title, for what it's worth. You understand that, don't you?
No, wab would never act as a Pharisee and smugly beat upon his chest and proclaim himself to be a man of God.
You just stated that wab puts his name on any post wherein he says something less than flattering to others. That just proved my point that he resorts to insults and name-calling when someone disagrees with him. Hilarious. So I take it that you won't try to deny that anymore? In other words, you can't say that I wrongly accuse your hero of such antics again, because you just admitted that he does. Laughable.
As for the Boston Tea Party, you are again wrong. I would be doing my part to toss the tea overboard.
You know NOTHING about my conservative values.
In closing, I just wanted to point out that you called me stupid, a liar, and a vile, loathesome little person. Let me remind you that I may think you a complete idiot, but I have more class than to stoop to your level.
Let me help you straighten this out-when you become a christian you DO NOT become perfect! We chose to live our life in a way that would represent our Lord and Savior-but as human beings we fail him miserably. So yes Mr. Barrett is a Man of God-although you may at times think other of him as with any christian it is a struggle everyday between our Christ-like side and our human side. We all make mistakes getting angry and defensive when being attacked is natural and does not mean that one is not a Christian.
Anagamouse, whatever you think you are ........
Like the wind, you are which ever way it blows. A "Mc"Cain Christian conservative who consorts with the vilest bags of drunken dung (Kennedy). The term "man of God" must really offend you - the thought of anyone placing an unseen diety above the almighty corrupters of education is a burr in your britches. Your only absolute is belief in moral relativity - an absolute committment to absolute nothingness. You are what is called "an acid intellectual" - just a little LSD & your whole world opens up.
me...
Who said becoming a Christian makes one perfect? Those appear to be your words and not mine. I simply stated that a man who assumes the office of a preacher must accept the fact that he is held to a higher standard and is affectionately and respectfully called a "man of God" or a "man of the cloth", etc. That's not really fair, because all Christian people are held to a higher standard.
We all sin and fall short, but that does not give us the right to run around here calling people names and such. To me, that's hardly Christian. Would you agree with that?
Thank you for trying to help me straighten this out. But the harsh fact remains that a Christian does not resort to belittling others even if he or she is not perfect.
to anonymous..
Wrong. I have very little respect for McCain. I think he is a flaming liberal hiding in conservative attire. Who is your pick? Let me guess..Hillary Clinton?
You will be known by what your are - been around since mankind learned how to talk. If you lie, you are a liar. If you take money from people you are a thief. If you do both and go to church, you are a lying, hypocritical, thief.
If you're 81500 any mouse, some will think you are drooling at the mouth with envy because Barrett amounts to something and you don't.
Ain't so, you're foaming at the mouth cause liberalism is a mental disorder, & you keep a blow up Hillary doll in the closet & fraid someone will find it out. If you see someone snickering when you are out & about, it's probably me & I know where you keep her!
Anonymous...
Yes, liberalism (noun) is a disorder from which you appear to suffer. Let me explain. You take liberties in charging me with things for which I am totally innocent. That's one of the things libs do.
You sound a bit like bart when you talk about weird sexual fantasy and perversion. I could say more about that, but I'll not go there.
What on earth would make you think I drool at the mouth about your hero? You have got to be kidding! I have absolutely no desire to be like him. I'll not expand on that comment either.
As for people laughing at me, that's hardly the case. But an interesting point could be made that fools' names like fools' faces oft appear in public places. And, contrary to your assumption about me, I am a very private person who has no desire to beat my drum and demand attention.
I'm wondering if you aren't a bit paranoid in public and wish to displace those feelings onto me? Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm comfortable in my own skin.
You are obsessed by WAB. If he didn't say something intelligent, you would have nothing stupid to say. Do you wear an aluminum hat?
You claim to be a private person - sneaky is more like it. I can see you sneaking around behind trees, fire hydrants, & in the bushes, watching every move WAB makes to see if you can measure up. Then you go home, try it, fail, and spend the rest of the day banging your head on the floor. You'll never measure up! Get a smaller ruler & paint bigger numbers on it. That way, you can tell everybody you're really big!
anonymous...
You are so transparent. You are again trying to displace onto me those perceptions you have of yourself. I'm seeing self-esteem issues.
You suggest that I try to measure up to your hero. Why would I want to do that when I'm happy in my own skin? Let me assure you that wab is not my role model. Oh, and I know your response will address that, won't it?
You may be happy in your own skin for the moment, but I'm sure you will be shedding it soon. I know, you can't help it - it goes with the species.
When self begins thoughts of self esteem problems, it's usually caused by head bobbing and laughter when self flips the switch and sees the light bulb come on. Fascinating process when old Id finally realizes his name has 3 more characters -I, O, & T.
Why don't you talk to WAB - he could probably teach you some new words like "GET" & "Lost".
I knew you would jump on that, so I "baited" you. Laughable.
I don't need a vocabulary adjustment, so why would I want to talk to your hero?
Please....don't be pecksniffian (adjective).
You're going to have to cut back on the acid - lips ain't syncin the headsabobbinmitderliteswitch (German for your little secret).
Sweetie, if you spent some time talking to WAB, you might absorb enough common sense to know that kerplop (splashing sound of feces hitting water) might be more descriptive of you adding "s" to your peculating process (look it up). ref.: when it comes time to demand more taxes!
Maybe, if you spent a little more time teaching 2+2 instead of Jack & Bill went over the hill, the children might be able to add. One thing for sure, they'll never get the round peg square hole thing figured out & thus, never exceed 60 on the IQ thing!
Hilarious. I'll bet you have practically worn out a perfectly good dictionary trying to impress people.
Do you have a point?
Sure do, I have known many very talented people and very worthwhile human beings with limited vocabulary. Their contributions to society are as good as yours or mine.
For example, they don't know & won't waste time figuring out what peculating means because embezzling makes nore sense. The other half of the quiz is, do you know what to do with a flat tire or what makes the wheel go around?
In today's world, there isn't a lot of difference in a peculator and a speculator, just an "s" and very little imagination. Either way, the monopoly charges $3 for $1 gas & taxes have to increase when there is a surplus!
No one will ever learn anything from you because when your nose is up in the air, so is the mouth, and the little tad down below can't hear your nonsense. Maybe God gave you that affliction for a purpose.
go suck a lemon
Hey everyone, tip of the day for saving water:
Urinate in the bathroom sink (except the ladies of course).
You have to turn and rinse your fingers or hands anyway (some don't so they save more money on the water bill) and it takes about a pint of water to do that so it kills two birds with one stone whizzing in the sink like that and wash it down the drain.
Better than 3 or 4 gallons of water out of the toilet tank isn't it?
$$$$
anonymous...
What was the point? Did it have anything to do with a lemon or with becoming a speculator?
I have to say you really tried to be civil, but you just couldn't do it, could you? Oh how it must hurt to have to talk in simple terms to a dumb local like me.
Yes, some of the most imaginative and creative people never had much if any formal education. However, they contributed much to society.
Ironically, some of those with the most education seem lacking in common sense and courtesy.
to the water lady,
The fuss ain't over you having to eat lunch in the muck room - there are restaurants in Giles County. Take a shower & try one. If you don't want the brown stuff on your hands, get a pair of gloves - they dont cost no $7 million!
A big enough place for you to work don't cost no $7 million - thats the point! Maybe you have everything right, except the couple of zeros you added to the price tag! Making the poorest people in town pay for political slop is terrible!
"Anonymous said...Saturday, June 23, 2007 7:22:00 AM...Making the poorest people in town pay for political slop is terrible!"
In my opinion,
This is when it comes in handy to know who your leaders are character wise such as those who subscribe to a Creator that has an accompanying holy book that contains the rulers and standards of the treatment of people and there are no exceptions for sin and evil. Unless you are a terrorist of course then their religious book is just full of it or not necessarily the book but their interpretation of it.
Or if they are atheists who inherently claim no ethics or morals outside of the written law.
So, business owners, those who obviously have money do not have to pay any of these increases. This is showing preference to a specific branch of society, a certain class of society, just like in the New Testament those in the church were exampled to prefer the wealthy, those in fine clothes and gold jewelery and these were giving the choice seats in the worship service while the poor and destitute were relegated elsewheres in attendance. Christ condemned this type of behavior by Christians. So if our leaders are Christian then look how they protect those who have money but look at how MUCH MORE others have to pay to compensate for the fact that the others do not pay their fair share, the poor, the disabled, the sick, the Social Security recipients, the retired, the pensioners, the widows, the struggling family, on and on and these are literally the poorest people and they are gouged just so business owners can skate on any increases. Not gouged more so the other person with a lot of money doesn't have to pay so much. Gouged so bad the other guy does not have to pay at ALL.
In my opinion this is illegal and is discrimination because a water customer is a water customer and if all customers do not have to bear the burden then someone should be sued. Separating water customers based upon their possession of a business license as grounds that they do not have to pay the increases is biased. Especially in the cases that a persons home and their workplace are one and the same place. They get off double free because there is one meter attached to the property.
Lots of those places flush more water down the city sewer in a week that I do in a month. Some even in days.
I HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. SO DO YOU.
If everyone had to pay their fare share for water consumption we would not have to pay so much to cover what? 16 million dollars on a 7 million dollar loan or some such thing?
Hypocrites if such people call themselves attached to a Creator. Sit in church. LOL, a house of damnation is all it is and that is from their own book of standards. A modern day money loving cult. Oppress the poor. An elite social club. That is why you don't see the poor there. Taking the money right away from them just so the other guy does not have to pay.
As for atheists there isn't any hypocrisy in such actions since there is nothing in the written law saying that sticking it to the poor and elderly and the sick and every other poor person is an evil sin.
anonymous...
You are using that same old tired democrat principle that the rich get by and the poor (oppressed) have to bear the brunt of the taxes. Not so, according to OMB statistics!
Can you not see that, like it or not, the "rich" are the ones who actually spur our economy and provide jobs for the rest of us? You can't penalize the rich man for having gone out there and invested, worked, and made it. I have never understood why liberals want to persecute succcessful people.
I recall when I was working my way through college that I had a variety of jobs given me by rich men. Did I despise them or resent the fact that I had to work for them? NO. I was thankful that they gave me an opportunity to work with an eye toward realizing a dream!
Liberals (aka democrats) run around criticizing tax breaks for employers so they can reinvest in the company and thereby the American economy. I am thankful we have them
The quiestion we have to ask ourselves is this: Where would you and I be and, more importantly, where would our country be were it not for those who have the money? If you ask a young father with a wife and children if he is thankful for his job, I am certain he would say yes!
Get past this class envy. We would be in dire straits without those who enable the working man to have a piece of the American pie. I know that may be hard for you to accept, but that's the way it is.
855 Charging more per gallon of water to the very poorest in the community, to give a price break to the affluent is about as low as it gets. Water is a basic necessity. The water rates pass a big penaly to those who are may not have food on the table.
The issue isn't "investment", it's "Corporate welefare" - taxing citizens to provide private property, infrastructure to private investment, tax breaks, etc. THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE EQUALLY TO ALL CITIZENS AND EXISTING BUSINESSES! American pie is not taxing citizens to equalize the big difference in slave labor cost vs. free competetive labor cost in a civilized nation.
You're not a conservative, you're a global elitist like the Kennedy Democrats and Bush Republicans who moved the industrial might of America to China, while opening the borders to third world labor who are replacing Americans! You could care less about America!
anonymous...
Wrongh again! Kennedy and Jessie (never had a real job) is in your camp. I'm thinking you will vote for Hillary and Billary?
By the way, have you not heard of Reaganomics? I think your reasoning is typical of the liberal left.
You have some nerve suggesting that I don't care about America! Accusing me of having no regard for the poor is absurd! I love my country and would fight for it....as I already have. So how dare you call me unpatriotic!
You are the siamese triplet sandwiched between teddy and barney - or is it Rosie & Hill.
No, you don't care about America or the fact that she has been looted & is now being taken over by Mexicans.
Anyone who would charge a little old crippled lady many times more for her glass of water, than your glass of champaign, is a true blue rat.
You hate our country & the only thing you'r fight for is a bigger piece of pie.
Give yourself a swirllie, you'll feel better!
"Anonymous said...Monday, June 25, 2007 8:55:00 AM...I have never understood why liberals want to persecute succcessful people.
Get past this class envy."
Demanding that those with money pay their fair share of the water bill and the sewer is not any type of persecution. In essence they are receiving free water and sewer compared to everyone else is all it is.
Persecuting them would be reversing the situation so that they pay it all and only they pay it all. Set that up and see how fast they cry financial persecution. It is ok for it to happen to the poor, to them that is socially acceptable but if it happens to them then it is an atrocity that they have to foot the whole bill while the poor stay on the regular payments.
Hypocrites.
Neither is there any envy since being envious of such people is much a damnable evil as their oppression of the poor.
May I ask when was the last time you stood up for the poor, the disabled, the sick, the Social Security recipients, the retired, the pensioners, the widows, the struggling family?
Or are you one of their tormentors? Possibly even call yourself a Christian?
Maybe an atheist and these people mean nothing anyway?
If we want to fight among ourselves then all our energy and efforts will be for nothing and city hall will win. We need to focus our attention on the real culprits in this matter of the water increase, the mayor who lied through his teeth when he claimed the state mandated the new building program, and the council members who did not even bother to read the C.A.P. or question the mayor about "the mandate" but simply voted yes in unison as the mayor pulled their strings. If you want to do something productive come to city hall tomorrow and speak up against the bloated city budget and if you don't want to speak be there as support for those who do try to speak. At the last meeting no questions were allowed from the public and there are certainly none being raised by the puppets sitting at the table. We can not afford to continually stand by idle hoping for the best from those who have demonstrated the worst. If things are to change they will have to be forced by public outrage. Being the mayor and the industrial recruiter is a severe conflict of interest and especially the way the mayor manipulated the system to enrich himself. Allen Barrett
anonymous.
In your apparently liberal mind, you think I have no concern for the little old lady who cannot afford to purchase water! WRONG AGAIN! Outrageous!
Again, how DARE you to question my Christianity or my political views. They are NONE of your business anyway!
By the way, while you are beating upon your own chest like a Pharisee, tell me what great and wonderful things you have done for the oppressed....other than to have fallen hook, line, and sinker for the democrat mantra that "they" love the poor and want to help them. What a joke.
It is they (democrats) who have kept the poor in chains of dependency. And that is particularly glaring with regard to blacks. They promise them the moon and throw them an entitlement bone every now and then to get their vote. Shameful!
Well said Mr. Barrett. A very good, sensible posting.
jn26x7x25x00 give yourself another swirrellie - swoosh -
You're right about the democrats in general - their objective is enslavement by entitlement.
A conservative would call entitlement the opportunity to be free, productive, and reasonably accountable for their life and livlihood. They have a value system and morality.
The vast majority of Americans have an IQ of 100 or less. A whole lot of them could physically stomp you in the ground and take anything they want from you, but they are civilized and respect each other. Also, they are restrained by law from stomping you in the groud even when you take advantage of them.
A very few Americans with a 65 or higher IQ, call themselves libertarians, are into moral relativity but have no morals nor regard for others, and lack the disciplines to hold any form of logic or truth. They pay for physical protection. That group parasitizes off of the sick, elderly, intellectually challenged, and average persons. They are actively destroying this country, freedom, and the competetive economy.
The people you loath are God's children - He loves that which you despise, curse, and feed upon. You are at 180 degree odds with your Maker.
Spear placed the water burden squarely on the shoulders of the oppressed, the aged, the sick, and those with little hope - simply, to impress elitists who will never be seen mingling with lesser forms of hymanity! He who would take the bath water money away from a wasted old man or woman who saved this nation in WWII, but now too old and feeble to fend for themselves, TO GIVE IT TO A MILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION - can not be described! Do you wave & honk at them when you see them on the street?
Why don't you spend $100,000 & construct a first rate home type building for the lady who has to eat in the outhouse. It does'nt take $7 million, or $16 MIllion! It doesn't take a colleseum to collect water samples, count the crawly things in the microscope, dump a little chlorox in the pipe or compose a collection of good news or bad news press releases to fit any occassion.
Shut up WAB. Why do you get mad when the mayor won't answer or debate you, yet you won't effectively respond to the letter to the editor?
You make me puke!
anonymous...
Thank God you will never be my judge! Furthermore, your description of a conservative fits me perfectly.
I will overlook your foolish judgmental attitude about my religion and political views.
Then, we are both conservatives and should be working in unison. The alternative is enslavement by one or the other - mindless socialism or imperialism. They are working together. They are burrying us in a sea of irrelevance and babble.
The tree is shaken to rid it of rotton fruit. It is also shaken to find the choice morsel. The bitter green fruit remains to watch and ripen or rot in their own time.
Cull the fruit or the basket will rot. And ... by virtue of that which keeps the fire, that spark of hope is passed to you, to protect and pass to the next.
anonymous...
You may be right about us both being conservative thinkers. Therefore, I could never endorse nor support socialism, welfare (government) dependency, elitism, and the like.
The problem with me is that, as a conservative, I could never be a part of the political and personal bashing and belittling that I see on this blog.
A seemingly dumb argument has a lot to do with how we and future generations are going to live.
A conservative in the US will only exist with the protection of the Constitution and laws based on that Constitution. Arguments based on the profoundly simple written words of the Constitution are not allowed in almost any lower court in the US! Our borders are not protected and there is no penalty for not protecting them! The very basis of agreement and contract are lost to the whims of the American Bankers Association. Predatory lenders can turn your life upside down without your permission or knowledge, and there is nothing you can do about it! Amendments 4, 5, & 14 + Article 6 mean nothing! If you have several thousand in cash plus endless hours of your time to waste, you can hire a lawyer and watch your money disappear.
The pen is still mightier than the sword. If the sword of law is broken, the pen still works. Most people haven't figured out the fact that not responding to written issues plus hiding behind a cloak of dignity is an affective ploy to operate under the radar. The school numbers & comments in here look pretty cut & dry - way over the legal line.
I don't mind paying for education. I do detest fraudulent documents designed to create windfall collections of tax money with companion illusions of excellent management! Spending has enriched and expanded bureaucracy - the antithesis of conservation. Deceit is the antithesis of education! I say turn the heat up!
The aged, the incapacitated, and those displaced by our national program to move jobs to China, didn't ask for free water. They try to pay their bills and make ends meet. You will not see them riding around in a new SUV, eating fine food in a restaurant, or traveling on vacations. They feel blessed with a bowl of beans, a glass of water, water to flush the toilet, and a bath. Most live a week on less than the tip that is left after a fine meal & drinks spent to entertain persons of wealth, persons who might be enticed to locate here, if we pay them to come.
Robin Hood robbed the rich to give to the poor. What do we call someone who robs the poor to give to the rich? What would Mr. Spear call them?
Ye olde sage sayeth,
Shake spear,
then kick'em in the rear.
Oh, here we go again with the "hate the rich" mantra. Democrats promote that idea constantly.
As I have said before, where would we be in this country were it not for the wealthy? As hard as it is to take, they are the ones with the money who provide countless jobs for American citizens. Having said that, I submit to you that, for an example, young working parents with children are glad to get those jobs. I seriously doubt that they would give up those jobs because of hatred for the "wealthy" employer. No, those jobs enable parents to provide for their children and, more than that, to realize at least some measure of the American dream. I know, because I've been there and done that.
As for businesses going overseas or to Mexico, I don't like it either. But, private industry can move to Iceland if they so choose. And many people are quick to blame that on government.
Your wealth, power, and security was protected by our nation. Our technology and industrial might came from all levels of EMPLOYEES and HANDS ON OWNERS, not some billion dollar global idiot buying and selling on Wall Street, nor MBAs who can't change their tire!
Our wealth, power, and security was sold to China - a communist dictatorship, that basically said, "send me your knowledge, tooling, patents, infrastructure, and we will use our slave labor to make you rich." That which is in China is in the posession of China. The trinkets we have purchase back will more than pay the debt they owed.
The land that once knew it all, no longer has to know it all. We will simply have to please our master. That occurs shortly after the wealth, infrastructure and knowledge. No nothing will have nothing, but hardship!
Our government has not protected us
with the various laws that were enforced just a few years ago. I doubt that you, I, or any group of us can save this country - the piper is playing!
I think the issue is corporate welefare - paying a corporation to locate in a given community, only if the taxpayers will provide any or all of the following:
** free land
** free buildings
** free infrastructure - instead of buying existing property that has the roads, water, sewer, power, etc. (whoever has the "existing property" already paid for all of it - but that wouldn't be free!
** the ability to borrow money tax free, as if they were a charity or government service - not a for profit business, like those who go under every day.
** government guarantee on loans to get better interest rates.
** Tax exemption - pay no taxes like all other businesses.
** free employment services - can pick who they want - get negotiation assistance, etc. regardless of laws.
** free training of employees (most of whom are ready & willing productive workers)
** worker salary subsidies
** Assistance to relocate from another US location (one that can't give them as much free stuff)
** ETC>, ETC<, ETC! - Well over $100,000 per job in various instances!!!!!!
SO They can compete with a bowl of Chinese rice per day?????????
You make it sound like the global wonders of wealth are creating jobs with their money. Corporate welefare is the same as the nanny state welefare system, except the big rats take sooooo much more - then move the jobs to slave countries anyway!
WE NEED FREE COMPETITIVE BUSINESS. Real work, real pay, survival and security based on accomplishment, etc.! Giles county has some of the best workers in the world! Maybe it's too late to say WAKE UP!
It's not too late, to say it isn't corporate money, it's taxpayer money - in ever increaseing chunks of the earnings of the young families and just about everyone else, who have no choice but compete with mexicans and chinese slaves.
The Chinese have one up on us - their slaves may inherit all of our wealth, technology, industrial might, an so forth... when their master tells the globalists to take a hike. Their master cares about their country. The globalists & their followers hate American!
Americans are going to find themselves with no health insurance, more credit card debt than they'll ever repay, and retirement in a paupers home!
Well, our security and welfare was sold out to China by none other than William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. And democrats think Republicans didn't like him because he had a sexual experience with, among others, an intern!
Can't argue with you there - What Clinton & his carpet baggers didn't do to us, the Bush bums topped. I doubt we could make a hammer if we had to. Both are certified traitors to this country. Both are globalists with no sense or care of what this country was founded on or once accomplished.
It's difficult to imagine a public servant taxing those he serves, to give it to corporate entities and the very wealthy.
It's unimaginable that a group of public servants would tax those they serve, to give it to corporate entities and the very wealthy.
The curse of tolerance serves the servant who sets about becoming the master of those he is supposed to serve. So it is, the tolerant masters become the servants of the intolerant servant. Thus, the curse is set upon those foolish enough to tolerate intolerance.
And so it is, the poorest from within the community shall be blessed with greater portions of little, while the weathiest from without will be cursed with diminishing returns from the poor, who will have less of more to give.
So, if you wonder why the spear draws blood, it's simply what a spear does. As long as you raise your rear end high & point at it, the spear will find its target & you'll get what you deserve!
There are a lot more of you than the spear & the idiots behind it. Why not toss the spear back?
Spoken as a true democrat. The same old worn-out idea that its not fair for some to have accumulated wealth while others are less fortunate. So, Robin Hood was right?
Where would we be in this country without the rich? Have you ever seriously considered that? Unless you are a successful entrepreneur, I would almost bet that a "rich" man is your employer. And the liberal thinks its not fair, so their idea is to punish (tax) them into oblivion. There go the jobs they once provided and a decent, albeit not wealthy, lifestyle that had been enjoyed by the working man who just lost his job due to cutbacks.
The rich are not the problem in themselves.
It is what they have evolved into that is the curse on our society with the obsessive greed, the constant gouging, the constant thievery, the chronic favoritism, the constant corruption, the constant corporate theft, the constant legal trials, the constant convictions.
What would we do without these people?
Replace them.
Live without them.
The wealthy have always been the ruling class and they have never done anything except subjugate the masses, breed war between the peoples, hoard money and valuables to control both as they get us to live for and seek what they dug out of the ground which really is nothing more than refined dirt.
Greed is the only emotion they have in our day.
They are inherently evil and despicable human beings.
Not because they are rich, but because of their ways and means of going about being rich.
The worst ones call themselves Christians too.
Like WAB. Oh, hes is not rich, but his is, in my opinion, a Christian phoney!
809 The message wasn't a slam on the wealthy, corporate entities, competitionm or good honest people who deserve everything they have!
You want to tax the poor to enrich the rich. You want to give global corporate entities tax breaks and direct subsidies that are not available to local businesses. You want to kill competition and drive private operations out of business.
You sound remarkably like the spear. Stuff it with your elitist hog wash!
As I said, spoken as a true democrat. How dare people to go out and invest and become wealthy in this evil capitalistic society!
You can argue the point that government ought to penalize the wealthy who, like it or not, provide jobs and opportunities for the masses, but the fact remains that they do churn our economy. And the left wants to penalize them.
Question. Would you suggest that a young father with kids at home quit his factory job because a rich man gave him the opportunity?
Sorry to disappoint you, but I work for a living and do not expect a hand-out from government. I am also thankful that my employer gave me a job. If that makes me an idiot, then so be it!
Where would I be without the job? Think.
I should also mention that the only defense that the modern day rich have about any complaints ever made about them and their methods is that the ones doing the complaining only do so out of jealousy.
Even when they sit convicted in prison they swear it was because of jealousy and the jealous wanted to find a way to take it from them. That is a shame really especially when they were caught red handed looting the company or ripping off the investors.
They feel the same way about lawsuits and damages is that the jealous are just making a grab at the money.
There are some of those people yeah but the crooked rich use those few to define the majority.
It isn't jealousy.
It is a hatred for pervasive corruption that has taken over our society. Their ways and means are criminal by design and intent, they forever skirt the law and pervert it beyond all reason, them and their crooked lawyers. The trick is, our society has not gotten around to passing laws against their behavior yet and probably never will because they own the politicians that make the laws.
Actually, they are one of the main reasons there so many laws are on the books. If you make one if their criminal gestures illegal, they just invent another, and another, on and on and at no time ever approached anything honest because these types simply do not possess such attributes.
Their lying math is a textbook standard now. Ghost numbers. Profits that do not exist. Wealth they cannot prove. Voodoo economics.
And they get it all from the poor since the poor pay the highest of all people.
These are also the same people who say that people who are in need are freeloaders, living on handouts, should not be entitled to any government assistance, or Social Security, or any government benefits whatsoever. These are the disabled, the sick, the widows, the poor and poverty stricken.
If the rich had their way all of these people would be subject to euthanasia because it would add another million to their billion by cutting off any type of public assistance. The rich think they are the only ones who foot the bill for these things and act and talk as if it is all coming out of their own personal expense account.
The poor out weight the rich in numbers probably by millions of percentage points so they are the ones who pay these taxes used for the public more than anyone else.
It is the rich that are jealous.
They never cease to belittle and denigrate such people when in fact they are poor and poverty is climbing simply because our society has not enough opportunity and go around to provide any resources to get out of the slum. The rich offer jobs that require welfare assistance to survive. The rich lobby Washington to rob you of your over time pay and were successful at that. The rich fight minimum wage.
They hate the non-rich.
Read the wide and varied supply of scriptures on the condemnation of such people and then compare notes.
As I said, spoken as a true liberal democrat. They hate the idea that some fortunate people in this country have most of the wealth. By the way, if you would check with the OMB you will find that the wealthiest pay the most of the taxes. Check it out for yourself. To say they don't is a democrat falsehood.
I'm not talking about the crooked rich as you call them. All wealthy people are not evil. In fact, some of the wealthiest individuals in this country are first-generation rich. They had some money to start with, but they invested and made themselves wealthy. Is that a crime in a capitalistic society? I think not.
I'm not jealous because I'm not a rich person. I'm just thankful that I have a job. And, YES, I owe that to the rich man. It doesnt bother me at all, because I understand the ecomonics of the haves and have nots. But where would I be without my job? Could you answer that for me?
I also understand very well what the Bible has to say about the rich man. It says, among other things, that it would not be easy for a rich man to go to Heaven. However, it's wrong to say that ALL of them are in the same predicament.
Question. Do you favor redistribution of wealth? I'll bet you do. How is that fair? Could you answer that question as well?
The so-called rich are against unreasonable minimum wage increases for a couple of reasons. First of all, the minimum wage was NEVER intended to serve as a living wage. Secondly, steep increases in the minimum wage would mean a reduction in job opportunities for the unskilled worker. Can't you see that big businesses would scale back on the workforce to compensate for the higher minumum wage or outsource jobs to foreign countries? This is already happening, largely because of union demands for higher and higher wages. And private industry is not regulated by the government , so you really can't place the blame there.Furthermore, those same big companies would have less money and/or inclination to re-invest in their companies because of higher costs of doing business.
I worked minimum wage jobs when I was in college and was thankful for them. But I knew even then that I couldn't make a living on the pay. So I CHOSE to study and work hard to avoid being trapped in those jobs.
Please try to keep in mind that, were it not for the wealthy, you and I would most likely be in dire straits!
I look forward to hearing your responses to the two questions I asked. Thanks.
There is no critism for the wealthy who use their own wealth to create jobs.
There isn't enough critism for the wealthy who wine and dine corruptable politicians in order to tax the poor:
/ to build facilities for private use and profit - that will pay low wages to the taxed poor.
/ to subsidize those wages paid to produce for profit private products - with government services and grants.
/ to provide tax free operating capital, while true competitors pay top dollar interest!
/ it's a long list.
Then there is the slime ball corrupt politician who sells out his constituents, his country, and soul - just to hob nob with wheeler dealer parasites.
America was founded on free competetive enterprise, WITHOUT AID AND MONETARY ASSISTANCE FROM GOVERNMENT!!!!!!! Where are you?
Most of the people like you have never participated in a business, never made critical decisions that affect people you know or care about. In all probability, you own mutual shares that are voted by the global conglomerate fund! If you live in Giles County, you are not a high roller.
When China decides to nationalize all of your "investments", your fund will disappear and you will find yourself down in the muck with those you currently despise.
Protecting our national resources, infrastructure, and industrial might is a critical matter of national security. What Clinton didn't pillage, Bush has - very little remains! about the time you moult out of your coccoon, you'll find yourself just another butterfly carcass tacked on the wall!
There isn't enough criticism of the rich who hate American workers and incessantly lobby so that they may employ illegal immigrants at Chinese wages.
There isn't enough criticism of the rich who have taken all the manufacturing jobs to another nation over the past 30 years so that they do not have to pay taxes.
There isn't enough criticism of the rich who have traded off almost every American brand name to be made in...?...at slave wages.
There isn't enough criticism of the rich who pay more taxes but suck up exorbitant taxpayer subsidies and continual slashes in the capital gains tax and when the math is done they don't pay spit.
Your worship and defense of these corrupt mini monarchies does not make me a liberal democrat, it makes you just as much a pestilence as those in question.
You're one of these rich aren't you?
No one else would choose such words as you have.
I'll bet your dumb ass shops at Wal-Mart.......don't you? How dare you stereotype so much, and throw stones for doing much of the same things!
Lets see - we have "Welefare Fanny" who produces street rats, who morph into street gangs, who move up to jail cells. They parasitize off of everyone, especially the many good poor people who have to live in their rotton neighborhood because they have a 100 or less IQ & no way to overcome it! There are no welefare stamps - They have government credit cards - so do the 30 million illegals brought in by the globalists to drive down american wages! It's just tax money!
There is no longer a choice to buy American. - There is no American. Bet Wally is in your portfolio, some camel dung?, Con Agra........? Any little mom & pop stuff?? no??? All monopoly like the board game mom bought one Christmas? What is Christmas? Everyday?
Then there is the global conglomerate you love - backed by global mutual fund hustlers who moved your children's future to communist & other sick little fiefdoms around the globe. They throw slop on the floor for the spears to sop up and feed their subjects. Be it a conglomerate or a hustler, there ain't no room for taxing people to enrich anyone, especially someone who has it all but still wants more.
You will take from those who can't afford it, from the poorest who have no ability or tallent to recoup! You are probably an elitist with a squeeky voice - a big vocabulary - a slick way of conning people out of their drawers - a hustler in panty hose.
The other side is a big dumb ox who has to work hard to feed his family. You're bring body guards to to extract more tax from him, in order to provide free government services for slick, who buys you cheap champaign & pretzels. Ox is taxed to protect you from him, but champaign man keeps your bones intact.
Solution - lock you and Ox up in a closed room with all posessions of both. No rules - just survival of the fittest. (After all - that is "your game!") Don't think you'll be back with another tax increase to enrich the rich at the expense of the poor.
You had better hide in a closet the next time it thunders! Every cloud that passes may be getting ready to zap you. Stay away from aluminum hats! Bang your head on the floor a few times, it might divert you attention away from all the things you could have, if you could just get a bigger space to hoard it, and find more illegals to haul it!
anonymous...
I do Not support evil mini monarchies or anything else for which you so eloquently and angrily suggest.
Here's what I do support:
smaller and less intrusive government
tax reductions, particularly for the low income
pro life
marriage between a man and a woman
Do you get the picture? These things I believe in pretty much shoot down your arguments, don't they? I am not even close to being a liberal. Are you?
By the way, when may I expect the answers to the questions I asked you?
Lastly, where I shop is none of your business. Ok?
"Here's what I do support:
smaller and less intrusive government
tax reductions, particularly for the low income
pro life
marriage between a man and a woman
Do you get the picture? These things I believe in pretty much shoot down your arguments, don't they?"
None of the 4 issues you support have any bearing on saving our country from total oblivion.
During the course of my adult life every presidential election in the minds of the general public has been based on special interest topics and not the chronic issues that face our nation and the destruction of it.
Your 4 issues are issues generated by the status quo for the sole purpose of throwing you off the real issues, any issues at all that is turning America into a third world country one section of town at a time.
Your 4 issues are for the purpose of occupying you while they go about the dirty business of keeping their dirty business on the back burner.
You 4 issues are used to side wind you from things important.
Your 4 issues are important yes, but as bad things are they are these issues not priorities and whether these 4 things work out pro or con will not save our nation.
At least when the US collapses you will have the satisfaction that the two gays or lesbians across town or across the country won't possess a marriage license as they do each other in private but they will be married under the new government that rises from the ashes.
At least when the us collapses you will have the satisfaction that no US spook is keeping tabs on you but they will be keeping every tab on you under the new government that rises from the ashes.
At least when the us collapses you will have the satisfaction that with lower taxes we can crash and burn with more money in our pockets which at that time will have no financial value at all and before the crash those who got the tax break paid more anyway because the rich reached out and grabbed that extra dollar and we all become forced labor under the new government that rises from the ashes.
At least when the us collapses you will have the satisfaction that you stopped the murder of countless unborn babies but did not make sure that those kids were raised according to your point of view and inevitably since they out weight Christians millions to 1 they will be the rulers of the new government that rises out of the ashes.
These 4 issues are purely a distraction and all the concentration and effort put into these 4 issues is wasted because even if these 4 issues were settled one way or another the real issues that are destroying our country are still at hand.
"They" need and use these 4 distractions to go about their business.
These 4 issues do not shoot down anything I said because as our nation is being looted and given away and sold you are over there in tour little 4 issue world none of which would be any concern of yours had these things not been put in your mind by the corrupted agents of the Coors beer family and their high jacking of the identity and purpose of the Christian church a.k.a. and has been said the world over: NeoCons, Dominionists, Christian-ists along with their godless representatives they put in office as they fake it every step of the way.
Only one presidential election was ever won in our country by the one who had the lesser money of the candidates.
It isn't the issues they preoccupy you with that wins elections, it is whoever has the most money wins.
With all the anonymous listings and all the conversation and questions it really is hard to tell who is talking to who so you will just have to bear with the situation so if this has nothing to do with you then forget it.
anonymous...
The simple point you completely missed is that I was defining myself as anything but a liberal. For goodness sakes, are you this miserable all the time?
Regardless of who wins elections, I stand by the values I believe in. Those values define me as other than a liberal. Ok?
As i said, spoken like a true democrat. Let's move past the hate and resentment toward those more fortunate than you and me.
By the way, are you "sugggesting' that conservative candidates who have core values and beliefs such as I've listed are just joking around and trying to throw up a smioke screen while they fleece others at will? You can't be serious.....uh...unless you're a liberal. Are you?
"Anonymous said...I'm not jealous because I'm not a rich person. I'm just thankful that I have a job. And, YES, I owe that to the rich man."
You owe the rich man because that was put into your head.
This is your social programing which is why countless millions of employees will do anything and put up with anything and that is because they are literally helpless and are owned by the rich. They own them, they own their children, they own their homes, they are legal slaves. They want you to be grateful for a job and you are because in their eyes your job is a handout. In their eyes you are just disposable dirt.
You are grateful only because you are cowed and beaten. But you would not be aware of that because you were raised that way. You do not even own your own thoughts but you think what they want you to think.
No one is independent and all workers are charity cases at the mercy of the rich and if you don't like it they will not hesitate to dump you for someone at half your pay.
Besides, Americans, do not even know who is doing all this to them. They are to busy worshiping the ***(*) to have any thoughts of their own.
These people buy and sell you every day and you are grateful for it.
It is no mystery why you are referred to as cattle by those who who own you and own everything else and what they don't own they control.
anonymous...
I fully realize that we are disposable as far as working for someone else. That's the way it is, and there's nothing you or I can do about it, other than go into business for ourselves. That's the beauty of capitalism.
It's sad that you are so burned up with envy about the matter, but that won't change a thing.
My questions to you remain. Where would we be in this country were it not for job opportunities made possible by the "rich" man, and where would you and I be if we didn't have our jobs? Like it or not, that paycheck enables me to provide for myself and family. Without it, I'd be in the soup line and so would you.
So, instead of figuratively biting the hand that feeds you, why not consider being thankful and blessed for the opportunity? Doing so doesn't mean that some rich man owns you. For Pete's sakes, get over the hatred!
By the way, you never did answer a third question I asked you. Are conservative thinkers just telling lies about their core beliefs in order to fleece the poor? If you believe that, I would suggest you leave the liberal left (aka democrat party).
Instead of a food fight, we all need to tidy up the pantry, or we'll all wind up starving. The 4 points (or is it 3?) are well taken, as well as the counter points.
One issue solves all - GOD, that which is the stated foundation of our country - the same thing that evil is taking away from us.
If no one is out cutting off heads, blowing up children & women & innocent people in market places, etc., a big chunk of government disappears.
Homosexuality is an abomination cursed by AIDS - sanction & support it & we get to pay the staggering financial & social cost of it.
If you don't covet & take that which isn't yours ... another huge chunk of enforcement, judicial, legislative, civil legal, and unimaginable government activity disappears.
The basic standard of living includes taxes, therefore EVERYONE should PAY taxes on consumption, wealth, and income (including assistance which has to include consideration for tax on that assistance). That replaces the free-for-all mentality with responsibility. If work able, must put in prorata share of time contributing to some worthwhile activity. No work, no $, unless incapacitated!
He who doesn't respect the covenants and gifts of God will lose them. Thus, we are being swallowed by evil. Biblical history is full of examples. The ACLU and the NEA and others are taking that away from us because we are taught to be "tolerant" and accept "moral relativity". The school can't teach that most important part of factual history!
So be it, the global gods of finance and power take your mutual funds, retirement funds, and natural resources to pay for moving our industrial might and security to communist and other slave nations. Most is GONE!
That takes us to the few "rich who make all this happen". (Not all rich are evil!) They are the enemy within, the decadent, the invisible arm that covets and takes that which a once prosperous nation built and passed to future generations.
Which takes us to "smite thine enemy". Of course it doesn't happen, because the enemy is within and directing our warrior to stand at attention while the terrorist takes aim from the shoulder of the terrorist's child. The warrior who dispatches the terrorist den is tried and convicted by the enemy within our nation. The patriot who stands fast is dispatched by the terrorist and will no longer be a threat to the terrorist or the enemy within! The enemy within fears the patriot more than the terrorist.
We need a mass impeachment, starting with Bush, Kennedy, Pellosi, and countless others who are committed to destroying faith in God and Country. It is probably too damn late! (damn as in damnation)
anonymous..
Interestingly, I couldn't agree with you more about how our nation has forgotten God. He was expelled from the public schools, and that was the beginning of our our slide into the abyss of socialism, intellectualism, political correctness, and the like. And the ACLU and NEA are co-conspirators in the liberal and literal mess we are in today. Further, the left has thrown fuel on the fire in promoting gay rights, abortion, etc.
I too think Kennedy, Pelosi, Murtha, and others like them need the old boot. I've not decided yet about President Bush. IF he is right about the terrorist threat to this country (and I think he is), history will look upon him favorably. If he is wrong, he will go down in history as the worst president since Carter.
What really frightens me is what may happen if the democrats being the troops home and then we have another 9-11. I truly believe this thing with terrorism is global in nature and that those hotheads are not going to stop just because we decide to go home! I hope they know the implications of what they want to do! It will not be enough to say they made an eerror in judgment when the next 9-11 occurs.
Really, you should have noticed long ago in life that you need not express any party or group or institutional affiliation because these things are automatically judged by others and usually for no other reason that you may be pro or con on the previous list of distractions.
Actually you are a Republican, a Democrat, a Liberal, a Nazi, a Fascist, a Communist, a racist, a right, a center, a left, or Protestant or Catholic or Jew or atheist, you are an "everything" and you know what is the general rule of thumb?
You are these things at the whim of whoever it is you are talking to.
LOL.
This is deep seated psycho-social gang mentality.
We are induced to gang mentality. Born and raised with it since it is our culture unfortunately. No cohesion whatsoever.
What you are or who you are matters little based on your words but what others think of your words and pretty much whether or not they agree with you or not, varies from person to person and 99% of the time none of them have even the remotest idea what they are talking about.
To you I am a liberal Democrat. To others I am one of the other above multiple choices and that is just the short list.
Across town I may be a Republican. On a little further a fascist, a little further and who knows what I will be with the next person.
It is all in the eye of the beholder and what they behold is based solely on gang mentality instead of any facts or figures. This also makes them very dangerous not only as individuals but even more so in groups.
Neither am I envious. It is not envy, it is hate for pervasive corruption. I do not owe corruption anything nor am I thankful to corruption for anything nor do I owe corruption anything and our world would go on just fine without these people since there office is little more than a place for them to count money and the gears of industry do not depend on them just like our country runs along nice an smooth when the Senate and Congress are on vacation and the halls of power are empty just like industry runs just fine with the CEO's on vacation. As much as they think it does or would like it to, the world or our country does not revolve around these people. Unless of course they loot and bankrupt the company then they really effect things.
The difference is whether or not they got their nose in it or out of it and as long as they have their nose in it, it is nothing but trouble but there is none of that when their noses are somewhere else.
924 From one nut to another - couldn't agree more - BUT, Bush should whack the terrorists or they will be here killing us - they are already here, just waiting for Alah to light the fuse.
Bush has sold this country out - voted for him & regret it alsmost as much as I'm glad I didn't vote for the goron.
Not sure is anyone could top carter, other than bush & maybe clinton
706 You are infected with liberalism - sure sign of moral relativism - belief in nothing. Diagnosis - cancer of the thinker
You need to tune in Dr. Savage - there may be hope before it's too late
anonymous (7:06 and 9:48)...
You are absolutely hilarious! You suggest my deep-seated psychosocial gang mentality? Outrageous! Then you portray me as part this and part that. But you REALLY insult me by calling me a liberal democrat.
Why do you attempt to displace your own mental health issues onto me?
Here's my tentative diagnoses for you. First of all, Facetious Disorder seems obvious. I draw that conclusion because you CAN'T be serious about your statements.
Co-morbid with that seems to be Paranoid Personality Disorder, which is a pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others. I don't think there is a classification for your "Hate the Rich" Disorder. But the symptoms are abundant. Perhaps you can help yourself by listening to conservative voices instead of all the negative garbage that spews from the mouths of liberals who think it is UNFAIR for people to have money!
To a-nag-u-must....
You really picked-up some impressive psycho words from your stays in the rubber rooms. The thing I just don't understand is how you can be such a fan of Dr. Savage but oppose wab because you assume him to be "arrogant and aggressive". Could it be that the main difference is that wab keeps uncovering things a bit too close to home.
bart...
First of all, that post was not addressed to you. That is, unless your multi-personality disorder leads you to sign some of your posts as anonymous and others as bart, both of which are anonymous anyway. Laughable.
You can't see it, but your hero is arrogant. That's not an assumption on my part. The proof is in the pudding. As for aggressiveness, I'm not sure in what context you mean that. Certainly, he is aggressive in feeding his ego. Is that what you meant?
To answer your idiotic (adjective) statement about Dr. Savage, I am a fan of conservative thought, not that it's any of your business.
You really ought to be a comedian.
Heck, you already are!
a-nag-u-must oh a-nag-u-must
When you post on a blog it becomes public communication open for response from all who read it.
Once again you assume with your statement "you can't see it". I "don't" see it is a correct observation. Perhaps if you looked for facts in places other than in pudding you might also be able to see things more clearly however with your diminished thinking it’s doubtful that you can see beyond your own nose.
Being a fan of conservative thought I wonder why you haven't adopted some of that thought for your own life. You must be right about me being a comedian. I've always heard a good comedian can tell a good joke and get a good laugh, everytime I mention you to people they start laughing. You have developed a rather large following.
bart..
Then my assumption about you is correct. I knew it anyway.
You stated that people laugh whenever you mention me to them. That may be true, but I'm not bothered by it. Who could possibly be talking with you about me other than the little group of faultfinders (aka malcontents) who by the way have a small following? Outrageously funny.
603 You can't tell me you aren't bothered by people laughing at you! We can see your head rotating round and round, bobbing up & down, Peeping around corners - Looking for your buddies?? The bag man is gone, got religous, repented. The sneaky voters had to do it over. Mr B gotcha by the nape of the neck. Don't be afraid - boogie man is gonna get you anyway!
anonymous..
You miss the point. I was telling bart that I would not be bothered by the people he would be talking to.
By the way, are you threatening me?
I understand free speech but sometimes this blog is nothing but 2 people going back & forth at each other and not even about the topic...
it reminds me of grade school one- upmanship...or even more so when boys like girls & tortured them to show them how much they liked them...
wait that's it ain't???..ya'll really like doing this is why you keep responding to each other..Duh! i'm slow sometimes...
can i sing the Bart & Nagamust sittin in a tree song???
anonymous..
I think it a little silly too, but bart just keeps on "exposing" his rear end, and I usually have a rebuttal.
Actually, it's quite entertaining. But our posts are a lot like bad television programming. You may select another channel or turn it off. Not trying to be a smart aleck...just trying to explain.
Just read the paper. Seats in football stadium have been condemned. Mayor getting ready to go for his sports complex.
This is the first time I have been here, so, would someone please tell me why it is that only a few people arent afraid to use their real names or at the very least their initials?
You are brave enough to blast someone that cares enough to stand up for whats right yet you are too cowardly to use your name when you kick him.
Why are you hiding? What are you hiding from? Are you afraid that someone will use it against you?
Too many people use anonymous to rant and rave about things they dont know much about.
I will be the first to tell ya that I dont know a lot about whats going on with the city water bills. I live in the county where we have been paying 45 to 60 a month for years. This is for a family of 3 that doesnt wash cars or water lawns but does try to use water sensibly.
My neighbor, who is a widow lady, is paying about the same as we are.
What gives???
All I can say is, if you are going to spend your time disputing what someone has to say, at least use your name. It tends to add some level of credibility to what you have to say.
My name is Eddie Miller and I would like to ask that if you are going to give me a good swift kick then at least be brave enough to put a name to it.
Thanks to Bro. Allen for standing up for the little man.
Eddie..
This old tired mantra of people who sign as anonymous has benn almost talked to death. Why does this bother you and the few others who whine about it?
By the way, lots of us do not agree with your portrayal of "Bro. Allen" as a champion of the little man. Could you define both little and big man in terms of Giles County? Thanks.
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