WAB: Milky Way Tax Boondoggle
What could have caused all the buzz around Commissioner James Harwell’s house today? Surely it wasn’t Commissioners Reedy and Woodard trying to convince him to sign a request for an emergency meeting of the commissioners so they can vote on giving away the northern end of the county? Of course this could not be true since it would be a direct violation of the state open meetings law. But then why would they be concerned about that when they already had violated it in Mrs. Vanzants office earlier with the same proposal. I commend Mrs. Vanzant for refusing to go along with this expensive request and can only hope the rest of the commissioners are unwilling to have an emergency meeting at county expense and then vote to not put a county property tax on the development at Milky Way. There aren’t enough words in Dennis Miller’s vocabulary to adequately describe this boondoggle. If this special act is accepted a person with an $80,000 house will actually pay more county property taxes than someone on the Milky Way with a million dollar home. With this plan all the benefits go to Milky Way while the county stands holding the bag once more. -- Allen Barrett
posted by J. Kendrick McPeters | 8:46 PM
309 Comments:
WAB
You are on target. Only a bunch of idiots would consider passing this legislation. Giles County collects property taxes inside all its cities, as does the city itself. If Milky Way wants to be its own city government, there may not be anything wrong with that, but to exclude Giles County from collecting property taxes on the Milky Way Development is NUTS. If this passes as it is presented the commissioners voting on it need to be recalled.
Ole Hickory
Injecting a "comedian" who looks up his words directly prior to the event he will attempt to use them and then use them incorrectly is just pathetic on your part.
Anonymous I'm sure that in the deep recesses of your single cell brain there was some meaning and point in your post but for all those who don't speak in monosyllables I fear it was lost in translation.
I was also wondering if you know Dennis Miller personally. It seems you would have to have an immense personal knowledge of him to know so much about his personal activities. I suppose on the other hand you simply treated him the way you do most other people, you just make up something and try to pass it off as fact. Has your opposing Mr Barret reached such absurdity that you are willing to make yourself look stupid in trying to attain that goal?
BOHICA !! (Bend Over, Here It Comes Again !!).
WHY cant a bunch of millionaires afford to pay their way instead of riding on the backs of working people ??
They want taxes back to 'develop the community ' -which will have locked gates most of the time so GUESS who will get the benefit ??
If they want their own private amenities (Water from a bigger pipe , sewage down a deeper hole , fire-protection with 30 seconds call-time ...etc etc ..) let them get on and PAY for it with their own $$$ instead of looking for continuous subsidy .......and MORE POWER to them for doing it that way in lieu of whining at Commissioners Courts .
PS I'd LOVE to get MY taxes back so that WE can develop our private community too .Wouldnt you ??
PLEASE Mr Taxpayer .I'll love you in the morning .
Saddle Sore
It is obvious that most of you who are posting on this site have no clue as to what is going on or what is being proposed.
what is being proposed is that those who purchase land and build homes in the Milky Way development will pay taxes to the County. A portion of those taxes will go specifically towards development progects that will improve the Milky Way development (as well as the rest of Giles County). The private act states that a percentage of real estate taxes will be set aside of specificate projects, such as an Emergency Services station (fire, rescue,and EMS), fiber optic cable being run to the Milky Way Development as well as the Richland schools, and Lynnville, and public water to the citiznes in the Milky Way area. these improvement wiil NOT BE PAID by any county citizen, unless you own land within the Milky Way development.
GET REAL PEOPLE !!!!!
CanGiles County afford a new water line?
CanGiles County afford to run fiber optic cables to the Richland schools???
Can Giloes County Provide public water taps to citizens along Keer Hill Road????
No ... Giles County can not !!!!
The property owners of Milky Way will do this at no cost to anyone else in Giles County.
What will be the real estate tax revenue from the Milky Wat development over the next 10, 20, 30 yeaqrs?????? to Giles County ???
Ask
Before you make a decision.WAB is not on target.
Yes we need to coordinate development with the owners of the Milky Way development. But, if we propose that those who own land within the development pay for the improvements and not any one else in Giles Conty, and that these developments will beavailable to all citizens in Giles County (at no cost to them). Why NOT ????
OK WAB
Explain how Milky Way is bad for Giles County?????
5-3-7 "Don't take candy from strangers" rings in my ears. The private act proposal is fatally flawed as presented, in Section 12. Is this one of the things that is going to be corrected?
1. "... the District (Milky way), its properties at any time owned by it and the income and revenues therefrom shall be exempt from state, county, and municipal taxation." "Property" eliminates property tax. "Revenues" eliminates all sales taxes, including the local option school sales tax. By definition, sales are revenues.
2. The bond income exemption sounds good, only if applicable to ALL CITIZENS of the county & state.
3. "... bonds issued by the District shall be deemed to be securities issued by a public instrumentality or a political subdivision of the State." Needs a better explanation with specific written financing purposes. No personal property not open to the public. Municipal tax exempt bonds provide an income tax dodge that notably reduces the interest rate. The tax dodge means less tax revenue. Average people must make it up & pay.
This smells like an incentive some politically correct idiot dreamed up. If so, they need to go! If not, the developers must think we are a bunch of illiterate idiots. Chances are pretty high that we are about to engage in a nasty situation that never should have happened. It sounds like time for the County Exec. or a citizen to get another injunction - this time to stop secret meetings. The Sunshine Law has no teeth, but an injunction sure does - including slammer time! Hickory - if you are who I think you are, thanks for your wisdom!!!
To concerned citizen. You asked me to explain how Milky Way is bad for Giles County????? First I never said that Milky Way was bad for Giles County only that the way it is being presented will leave the county in a very bad spot and the citizens holding the bag full of now due notices.
The most important thing to consider at this point is simple. What exactly does the agreement require and allow? This means we must have exactly the same understanding when we read it as do those who wrote it. Very often because many words are inconsistent in their meanings they must be clearly defined in the beginning so that what we thought they meant will become what they actually mean by law. Anonymous of the May 03, 2007 10:01 PM post put their finger on the trigger of the whole agreement by pointing out Section 12 which clearly has the potential of putting the citizens of the county into a very deep, dark hole.
This matter is far too important to be rushed into and certainly should not even be considered until after the lawyers have gone over it with strong magnifying glasses. There should also be a public hearing on a matter of such importance with every question asked and every answer given legally recorded so that there can be no contention later between what was meant and what was written. Tomorrow’s radio program should help some but keep in mind that a radio interview carries very little weight next to a written document. Allen Barrett
Whether you believe this is good or bad, this needs to be researched, documented and thoroughly discussed by the County Commission and taxpayers of this county. I believe the commission needs to hire someone who will present the good and the bad, in dollars and cents, so an informed decision can be made. The "benefits" listed sound really good, but are they? Someone without connections needs to come in and look at this. What will it hurt? The commissioners who have called this special session need to rethink what they are doing. Why is everyone is such a rush? The Hunter-Smith fiasco is a prime example of county leaders who do things without thinking of the consequences of what they were doing and if they call a special session and pass this private act without true knowledge and investigation then they are heading down the same ignorant path.
Ole Hickory
Another thought:
The developers have waited until the last minute to bring this before the county commission. If it is passes in the Special Called Session, then it will immediately be sent to the State Legislature. The State Legislature will only be in session another couple of weeks.
It is time for our lected body to SLOW DOWN and think. It is not a time to be rushed into passing a piece of legisaltion that has not been thoroughly researched.
Ole Hickory
Thank goodness for commonsense !! From the comments already here it seems that Giles Citizens are waking up and realising that this series of 'offers' on Milky Way are really quite the opposite from how they read at first glance .
There can be little argument that , if properly done , MW should be of benefit to Giles County BUT it needs to be done WITHOUT concessions (hidden or otherwise ) from local taxpayers .
If the project funding isnt strong enough to support itself then it needs to fold as a dud speculation rather than be floated on the backs of local taxpayers .If the speculators feel a need for supplemental income to support their fancy lifestyle then they need to proscribe same by putting covenants into their deeds UP FRONT so they can all stand in a circle and tax themselves .
Support Milky Way ..yes
Pay for Milky Way ..NO !!
Call ALL your local commissioners and TELL them how YOU who put them in office EXPECT them to vote on May14th ........or that they'll be out of office next time we vote .
Sly Drule
What is really scary is the Commission is going to appoint the Milky Way Board. This group that represents Milky Way must not read the local papers, blogs etc. These Elected officials cant even do a construction project (Hunter-Smith)correctly, adopt reasonalble budgets or implement the financial management act in a timely manner. To think they have the smarts to run the Milky Way District is dreaming.
How about setting the record straight?
Ausburn Answers Questions About Milky Way
Posted on May 04, 2007
Charles Ausburn and Donnie Moore were guests on WKSR’s Bonus Hour this morning. Auburn is the owner of Milky Way Farms and is developing his New Horizons community on the property. Moore is the Sales and Marketing Manager for the development.
They appeared on the radio to answer questions concerning the private act that was presented to the Giles County Budget Committee earlier this week. “There have been many rumors and misconceptions about what we’re asking for,” said Ausburn. We welcome this opportunity and forum to set the record straight.”
One of the main misconceptions has to do with the taxes.
The Milky Way Improvement District, once created would provide for two separate types of financing vehicles — Special Assessments and Tax Increment Financing.
Through Special Assessments the district would have the power to levy tax assessments against property located only within the Milky Way Farms development. These assessments would be paid in addition to property taxes imposed by Giles County. This revenue could be used to pay off bonds or other debt issued by the district, and according to Ausburn, would be primarily used on projects at the development.
Through the TIF mechanism, a portion of the additional tax revenue generated by the increase in property values at the development would be designated for use by the district.
“What we are seeking from the County is 15% of the “additional” revenues that will be brought in over a 20 year period to help with these projects,” said Moore. “Giles County would receive the remaining 85% of the new tax money.”
A section of the private act stated that "In accordance with the provisions of general law, the District, its properties at any time owned by it and the income and revenues therefrom, shall be exempt from State, County and Municipal taxation.
Neither Moore, nor Ausburn addressed the wording of that section on the radio, but did address it with Pulaski Publishing Managing Editor Scott Stewart. Here’s is how Ausburn addressed the wording.
“There is a phrase in the private act that says the district may be exempt from state and local taxes,” says Ausburn. “This in no way means that the property at Milky Way Farms will be exempt from state or local taxes. What it means is that property owned by the governmental entity, the district, could be exempt from state and local taxes. This is much like a municipality that owns property but does not pay taxes on that property. The Milky Way Farms development property will not be exempt from taxes.”
Ausburn was asked about the urgency of bring this before the County Commission and the State Legislature. “The time crunch we are facing is based on when the state legislature closes its current session. It is vital that this act is passed during this session,” says Ausburn. “I didn’t realize that we were facing this deadline until a couple of weeks ago when the attorneys told me we needed to go ahead and start getting something going here that day. That threw me a little curve.
The intention has never been to place any pressure on the county or anyone. However, this is the situation we are faced with, and we are trying to do whatever we can to help move the process along. We are quickly approaching the time when we will start selling lots at Milky Way Farms. When these lots begin to sell the value of all the property begins to rise dramatically. Getting this district created before those property values go up is essential to making this project work.
Anonymous 5-4 1:52 failed to mention that when asked on the radio interview about a public hearing, Asburn stated "he didn't want one before the May 14th vote but a public hearing could be held after it passes the legislature." He must think we are a bunch of dumb butts and it points out they are trying pull a fast one. Who is he to dictate if a public hearing should be held for the people of this county anyway. Is he already so wrapped up with the money folks that he is now directing what the local gov does.
If a computer and a desk are the only assets of "the district", why bother to put section 12 in the private act? Who will own the golf course, pool, and other amenities? What is the asset side of tax exempt "... bonds issued by that district shall be deemed to be securities issued by a public instrumentality or a public subdivision of the state"? Aren't developers equired to provide infrastructure with the homes they build, out of their pocket?
If MW is a separate municipal entity, we sure don't need 6 of our county commissioners trying to run their functions. The MW (local government) should be run by their association or residents, not the county! Doesn't make sense for the MW residents or the county.
MW is potentially a wonderful project that will attract good people. It's easy to eliminate the "confusion" written into section 12. That needs to be done before anything is approved!
I, the Swami of Short Street, have a prediction.
If you ignorant, regressive, spiteful, lying, manipulating, rabble rousing ninkapoops are successful in once again thwarting something good for Giles County in the Milky Way Improvement District proposal, you will no doubt be back on here within a few short days yelling about how there are people in Giles County who need water, people in northern Giles County who need ambulance service, people in the Bodenham community that need a rescue squad station and how somebody should do something to get the best technology available to
our schools.
There is absolutely no way you people will ever be happy.
If the county comission does something you don't like you jump on them.
If the county comission does something you like, they didn't do
enough of it or they didn't do it right.
If the county comission doesn't do anything, you can't believe how
stupid they are for letting this great chance slip by.
If the city of Pulaski does ANYTHING you always accuse them of trying
to screw the people in the county.
The people on this blog and those who are just like you in this
county, are the epitome of the phrase "They are happiest when they are unhappy."
If that is the way you want to live your lives fine, but I know I would just as soon you keep it to yourself.
(This is where you rant and rave about it being a free country and if
I don't like it, don't read it.)
Don't worry, I rarely do because regardless of the topic, every
single post basically reads the same. It reminds me of the scene in the movie Crocodile Dundee where he gets in this big fancy hotel room with a television and the reporter woman asks him if he's ever watched TV. He says yep I saw it once. Then he turns it on and there is a rerun of the I Love Lucy Show. He looks up at her and says "Yep,
that's what I saw."
Only difference is, at least that is funny. You people are just
Pathetic.
You've already basically ruined this county's chance to bring a water bottling plant to the county spring property in Campbellsville. I don't know about you, but I'm sure glad that thing will be sitting up there producing weeds and snakes for the next 20 years just like the first 20 years the county has owned it. Congratulations to you and
the folks up in Campbellsville who have managed to run off jobs and
tax revenue. Pathetic x 2
Now, before you even knew what the Milky Way offer was you start
ripping it to pieces. Pathetic x 3.
It is almost a guarantee that should this private act not pass, YOU
will be the first ones raising cane that the county is doing nothing
and Milky Way is just a place where rich people are living and doing
nothing for this county.
Pathetic x 4.
Why don't you do us all a favor and take your dog and pony show
somewhere else. And while you're at it, take Kendrick McPeters and
Allen Barrett with you.
Now THAT would be progress.
To the Swami of Short Street.
Would you buy a house, a car, or even a pair of socks without at least checking it out? Now certainly one would be expected to give more attention to buying a house than a pair of socks but even with socks you check to see what size they are. Rushing into an agreement without understanding it is simply stupid.
The Milky Way project may be the best thing that has happened in Giles County for many years and what I've said along with many others is simply check it out before you buy it. I believe that if section 12, which exempts the project from city, county and state taxes, were removed from the agreement the project would be enthusiastically embraced by most all of Giles County. This section is the major problem and if there is no intention of ever using it why is it included? There’s an old saying about “think before you jump” at this point we’re being asked to jump without thinking asking questions and getting clarification. I would hate to see the county buy another pair of socks that don’t fit. Allen Barrett
5-5-7 Swami has one finger in the pie & the other you know where! Passing a private act written by someone you don't really know, with conditions you don't understand, that clearly says tax exempt status for property, with the issuance of exempt bonds to bring in cash for assets of undefined nature - begs an idiot's signature! Wanting it to pass it without public input or understanding begs an idiot's endorsement with demands to git-R-done. The time lapse "OOPS" is about as credible as "the dog ate my homework"! The secrecy issue is big bright red flag that can easily be put to rest with understandable contract language, now, not after agreement! Running a mouth doesn't fix it!
A food fight helps no one! Anyone can make an "OOPS", misjudgment, or think something right is wrong. Public disclosure is all about discussion, understanding, open changes, and then agreement! Uninformed agreement with potential disinformation is nothing but war! It is a totally unnecessary stupid fight. Give MW all the time they want to explain or whatever, with legal independent representation on both sides - define the undefined & present a true agreement. I'll never use MW, but I hope they succeed & build a show place! I respect their right to privacy and prosperity! I'll fight for those rights - for myself or them!
Our family moved here with high hopes. It's the mistrusting negative attitudes that are more often than not, displayed here forcing us to continually believe the "glass is half full".
Anyone can sit on the sidelines and criticize. How about get in the game and be a part of the solution instead?
At least know your facts before you criticize.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that everyone is out to get you.
Possum and chickens firmly belive they can get from one side of the road to the other without looking! I'm sure the buzzards would be upset if someone taught the possums & chickens to look before leaping! Does one's caution become paranoia when it interferes with another's
opportunity?
There is a glass, lots of water to put in it. It simply needs the hands to fill it. If it's sealed, do you know if it's full of water or air, unless you pick it up?
The facts in question, in section 12 plus open communication, were clearly identified, and very easily resolved. There is absolutely no animosity or disrespect intended. If you like Giles county & the beauty we have, there is probably very little difference between us.
Mr. Barrett,
If somebody was offering to GIVE me any of those items and what they were giving me looked good enough and smelled good enough then I'd be glad to take them without checking them out.
Nobody's asking anybody to BUY anything.
What if somebody was wanting to give you a house, but they said that circumstances dictate that you go ahead and SAY you want the house so the neighborhood association could look at the deal. But, even if the neighborhood association agrees to the deal you don't have to take the house. You have the right to refuse on the back end. You gonna
turn it down?
Of course, at this point you will go on and on about how it depends
on if the house has termites crawling around in it and can the
neighborhood association tell you where to put your petunias and is
the foundation cracked and does the roof leak and does it have an
adequate water supply and does it have fiber optic cable access and
is there a good EMS station nearby.
The fact is what I said before is true. Happiest when unhappy. You
live to stir things up. Your opening to this thing was as biased as
it could be and you didn't even know the details at that time. At
least I hope you didn't since most of what you put has been shown to
be untrue. You started this off making people think it was a bad idea before anybody had a chance to even see what it was.
That is a shame.
And, I stand by my prediction that should this get defeated, you and
your herd of sheep on here will be baaing to the wind about those
mean old rich people at Milky Way who haven't done one single thing
for the county and the county needs to make sure EVERYBODY has water and access to ambulance and fire services.
Swami of Short Street
The Swami's final word:
It makes no difference what the deal is or who is proposing it. God himself could come down from Heaven above and offer to give you
eternal bliss by his side and you people would be hollering for a
public hearing before you could decide if it's a good enough deal.
And just save the whole "MW isn't God" BS because you know good and
well that's not what I mean.
This aint about MW as much as it is about how the attitudes you
people on here have are bad. Bad for the community, bad for anyone
reading it and yes even bad for you.
This whole negativity thing just feeds on itself and as you become
more and more negative you have to find more and more reasons to be
that way.
It's just sad that everybody jumped to the negative side of this deal. The county commission is not giving anything away by sending this on to the state. They have every opportunity to turn it down when it comes back.
What if time runs out while you are talking about it? Do you actually think that the Giles County Commission will get any of these projects done? I mean do you really think so? I don't.
And even your negativity wouldn't be so bothersome if it seemed that there was anything that could satisfy you. But it doesn't. Just like I said in my original post, it makes no difference what is done or not done, you are against it. Why?
Maybe that would be a good subject for this blog: Why is it that this
blog, its ace reporter and the majority of the people who post to it are against everything and nothing?
It is simply unreasonable.
With that I bid you farewell and leave you to your own devices.
Well, it's good to see that others see the "ace" reporter and his cronies the way I have all along. Score one here for the Gipper!
Swami - if you could read & comprehend the words, you might understand the need to know what's happening. If they are tax exempt, there will be NOTHING GIVEN TO GILES COUNTY - NO LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX OR PROPERTY TAX - nothing for schools. If the man says they pay taxes ETC. like any other county resident, put it in the agreement & take the tax exempt thing out!
You stir up the conflict by criticizing anyone who wants any form of recognizable agreement. Have you ever owned a home, bought a car, or taken out a loan? On the other hand we don't know who you are or what your motives are, do we.
You sound more like a lacky political wheeler dealer who has an inside track on grants, gimmies, & the use of someone else's money, not someone from MW. Have you promised them the moon & stars & find yourself putting MW & GC both in a bind?
Wow Swami of Short Bus, for someone who rarely reads this blog you sure are wearing the key board out. Let me ask you one simple question, If time runs out, who's fault is it? If they are so careless as to keep track of a simple deadline how many other things have they neglected or have swept under the carpet? Why should'nt everyone be leary? Look at everything else that has been done. You should be asking yourself why does'nt everyone in Giles Co. already have water, why does'nt northern Giles County already have an ambulance service, why does'nt the Bodenham community already have a Rescue Squad? Where is all the money going that's already being raked in?
Good response Guy With the funny Blue Head. Thanks.
To Smarmy,
Not only are you wrong on almost everything you said you have either misunderstood or simply chosen to lie about those things in a very underhanded way.
Let me make this clear although I have already addressed the issue twice before on this thread. I am “FOR” the proposal at Milky Way “except” for section 12. As I said before if there is no intention of ever using Section 12 then obviously there is no need for it. Take Section 12 out of the proposal and you will not only have my full support but also the support of most everyone else who has simply asked for a legal examination of the proposal and the removal of Section 12. Now, it’s your turn, what is the objection to removing Section 12?
Here are some other things that you are obviously unaware of that I am for. I was and still am for the Ice River Spring deal. I spoke in favor of it at the public meeting and have written letters to the editor and comments on this blog in support of it. I was for employees of the school system getting pay raises and have written about that and have spoken at Commission Education Committee Meetings in favor. I was for tearing down the bus garage and building a new adequate facility. I even made a video of the garage and revealed for all to see the hazards involved with working there. In that video I also presented an interview that revealed the totally inadequate salary structure of those working in the garage. I have supported spending some extra money to build a courthouse annex near the jail and moving all the courts out there in order to save several hundred thousand dollars a year while providing security for the courts building. No other plan thus far presented offers any monetary savings to the county or increased security. I am a strong supporter of the Financial Management Reform that brings us into compliance with state requirements. I support a complete consolidation of water districts so all in the county can have abundant water and cheaper rates. I hope by now you get the picture that you so obviously missed during the past several years, I could continue with many other things that I am for but apparently if what I have already written is not enough your mind is already closed to that truth. Allen Barrett
Couldn't agree more with what wab said.
Smarmy lives in a hole, pretends he's just a gopher, pokes his head up & if he sees no one, squeeks a few times & dives back underground. You can tell where he's been by his droppings. Some think he's really a rat.
To All,
The reason most post on this board: We are feed up with the lies' from Mrs. Vanzant for the past 5 years and her followers'.
We can not trust any thing that comes out of her mouth, and about one fourth of the commissioners.
A total lack of trust exist now exist with 60%+ of voting property owners'.
With new laws from the State this year, all elected officials will be held accountable for their ETHICAl behavior. If it's not good for the public as a whole, a voter can sue them and the county. This will put teeth into law the voters hands' to assure they do or pay the conscequences.
Ole Smokie
If the new owner of Milky Way wants to make his own town Fine.
If he wants to develope a gated community Fine.
If he wants special treatment that no one else receives NOT Fine.
If his deal is stright up as some think, let him present it to the commisioners for review in a Final Draft.
Then let the commission send it to the Assessor of Property for review.
Then let the Assessor of Property send it to the State Division of Property Assessment for review.
Then let it come back down the same change with comments and recommendations if any.
The commisssion should not be pressured to pass any think by a 2/3 vote in a rush, due to it basically makes it legal. After that anything send to the state is simply looked over to determine if it is legal or not.
DUUUDD, after the 2/3 vote the commissioners' made it legal!
Pull the wool over whos' eyes'??
Ole Smokie,
Smokie, in your post of May 5th, the statement you made about our County Executive is exactly the reason so many people are in a state of confusion.
A little sarcasm for everyone...
Since WAB obviously has all the answers for the county, why wasn't he elected?
Come on Blue Balls, lick WAB's butt in his defense...We all know you will!
This morning the County Budget Committee met and considered the issue of the Milky Way proposal. The following is the summarization statement in the letter sent by Mrs. Ginger Shofer the lawyer retained by the county to examine the proposal.
“To summarize, the Act is an attempt to expand to more residential type development the recognized financing structure of incremental property tax increase allocation in order to fund expansive public work projects. In weighing the value of such tax sharing with the developers, the County needs to also consider the issues involving the tax exemption for lands owned by the District as well as the issues surrounding liability for acts of the District, both the benefit of immunity to the developers and any exceptions to immunity because the District is structured as an instrumentality of Giles Count. The County should also consider the relevant merits and cost of potential litigation that may be forthcoming from anyone in opposition to the project, from the standpoint of the constitutionality of the corporate structure to whether the Act violates the land use control laws of the County.”
The two major issues in this proposal are these.
1) The District is being developed as an instrumentality of Giles County and thus places Giles County in the position of potentially being responsible for debts incurred and actions taken by the District and its employees.
2) Section 12 of the proposal states “The District, its properties at any time owned by it and the income and revenues therefrom shall be exempt from State, county and municipal taxation.” This is what is written not what is spoken about. The attorney specifically warns the county of “potential loss of tax revenue” as a result of this exemption.
Call your commissioners and ask them to have these two issues resolved before they vote on the proposal. Allen Barrett
Call your commissioners immediately. There is nothing in this for the county. The talk of waterlines, ambulance servcies, etc is all smoke and mirrors. This private act is about giving breaks to the rich, and not about Giles County. The debt issued by this district will be backed by the full taxing authority of Giles County. Plain language - if the development goes belly up, giles county taxpayers will be left holding the bag. To put this in perspective -there is not another district like this anywhere in Tennessee and there is a reason why there is not.
Ole Hickory
So....will the encounter group (aka whine gang) enlighten us as to what they would to to make Giles County a better place to live (other than getting rid of Mr. Jackson and Mrs. Vanzant)? That drum has been sufficiently beaten.
They have all the answers so why won't they share them with us less intelligent types?
Yes for one I would get rid of you Anonymous. There you go again with your sick perverted antics about Mr. Barrett but now you're fantasies are involving me. I'm sure we'll see you on Dateline before long.
I've got a totally un-original idea. How about we stick to the facts and a way of solving problems in a positive fashion rather than attempting to berate and belittle others on this blog?
If we stick to facts and solving very unpleasant problems, very unpleaseant things will have to be identified and resolved ... and that very definately upsets the unpleasant people who create unpleasant problems and don't want to be held accountable or stopped from doing their unpleasant things!
The 5/6-451 liberal is infected & trying to be contageous.
Are there really that many unscrupulous people in government?
“One hundred percent of Milky Way taxes go to Giles County,” Ausburn said, explaining that only the tax assessments on Milky Way Farms residents would be used on the development. “The assessment funds would be added onto the tax bills of our residents. Although the district is a mechanism to create TIF funding through a small portion of the increase in taxes, 100 percent of the money goes back to county control into public works projects. None of the money from the tax generated funds escapes county approval.”
Example
Ausburn used one of the lots at the development as an example of what would be expected under the private act. The example is based on the tax assessor valuing the property based on its sale price.
Based on the average of all the property that now makes up the Milky Way Farms development, in 2006 one acre generated $19.35 in property taxes. When houses are built at the Milky Way is when the big boost comes. A one acre lot at Milky Way that was recently reserved and is scheduled to close in July at the value of $400,000 will generate $3,090 in property taxes.
With the 2006 tax total of $19.35 as the base, the increase in the property taxes due to higher property value will be $3,070.65.
Under the private act, no less than 85 percent of that increase — $2,610.05 — would go directly into the county’s coffers.
Up to 15 percent — $460.60 — would go to the district to retiring the bond for the public infrastructure.
“The $460.60 in this example goes to pay for public infrastructure that would be approved by the county commission,” Ausburn said. “Therefore 100 percent of the funds are used for the county’s benefit.”
Now, comment by anonymous...how can one argue that Giles County wouldn't be better off by receiving an ADDITIONAL $2,610.05 in property taxes?
If 100 percent of the property taxes are used for the County's benefit, as Ausburn says it will be, why in the world do they need a Private Act?? Without a Private Act the taxes would be collected and used by the county anyway! Why should the county give up 15 percent to the District to do what the developer should be doing with HIS money, not the County's money? The District Board is not responsible to the County Commission. The county commission would not be approving where the 15 percent would be spent. Read the Private Act.
To Anonymous and MJV. You both raise interesting questions and have some good information but what you are speaking of is not exactly where the problem lies. If they want to have a basic tax of 15% above the county and keep it there much like an assessment in an association of owners that's fine. The problem isn't with anything Mr. Ausburn said, it's with what is written.
After corrections were made Section 12 on page 24 of the agreement states, "The District, its properties at any time owned by it and the income and revenues therefrom shall be exempt from state, county, and municipal taxation."
For me this has been the primary hold up. There are some minor things that need clarification and possible re-wording but it's the exemption from taxes that I'm most concerned with. Allen Barrett
funny blue..
Ok, getting rid of me as an opposing voice is one thing you would do. Do you have anything else? Chuckles.
As one Anonymous comments above, "Why the need for a Private Act" if properties are assessed as usual by the county tax assessor. The additional 15% could be part of the development's annual covenant charges.
Another thought, it would be expected that Mr. Ausburn is not in this project himself, he probably has shareholders. They are only looking for profit. I don't care what anyone says, he is not proposing this to Giles co citizens out of the goodness of his heart. Give me a break! This Private Act IS being rushed through. What is being covered up and/or the county attorny not seeing yet because he hasn't has time to study the Act. County DOES NOT need to get involved in this.
Am I the only one under the impression that this private project is being treated as an Economic Development achievement?
5-9-631 You & me both. Section 12 is a poison pill for Giles County and the state! Exempt from taxes means no taxes. Power to own, buy, sell, issue tax bonds for anything (homes, furnishings, amenities, etc., etc.)
NO TAXES, TAX EXEMPT BONDS FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING HOMES, etc. I understand what he said. It simply isn't what he has written and expects our community to sign as a formal agreement.
Nope anonymous, that would pretty much do it for me. Thanks for your concerns.
Some of you are calling the 15 percent an assessment OVER the property tax the Milky Way residents would pay. As Ausburn told the Budget Com. up to 15 % of the property tax would go back to the District to be used for "public infrastructure" which is to help develop that District. He is making it sound like that money would be used for water lines, Richland School, etc. but that is NOT what the Private Act says. Where Ausburn says the money will go is not necessarily where it will go. ON TOP OF the property tax they will pay, those residents may be assessed an amount, which is common in some Homeowner's Associations.
Changing the wording by deleting "municipality" and calling the District an "instrumentality" of Gile Co. raises some important issues, one of which was brought up in the letter from an atty. hired by the County to look over this Private Act----"in structuring the District such that it is an instrumentality of the County, the potential for Giles County to be drawn into litigation over acts of the District and its employees should be acknowledged." That is pretty scary stuff. First National Bank has already loaned 5 million dollars to them---if the Private Act goes thru, if the loan is to the District which becomes the "instrumentality" then if they default on the loan the taxpayers of Giles Co. are liable for it???
If this is so up and up why do we need a Private Act? And why the rush to get it pushed thru the commission? They certainly didn't start work on the Private Act just a few weeks ago and all of a sudden he finds out the state legislature session ends the end of May. Something doesn't smell right here.
funny blue
So, are you saying that I alone am standing in the way of "progress" here in Giles County? Excuse me, but my ribs are starting to crack while I'm laughing. Surely you have more than that.
I certainly empathize Mr. Ausburn feels he's under the gun to get the project rolling now, anyone would be if they had a project they felt passionate about.
However, if this is a good idea for the county now, then it will be a good idea half a year from now. Lawmakers meet every January through May. We can afford to wait half a year for the next session to take up the matter.
Slow down, take the next few months to hold public meetings and work on the sticking points and then send it to Nashville in January.
Has anyone seen the latest revision to this document ?? How can you tell it IS the latest revision ?? The one I saw had NO revision-status identifier on any of the pages .........and it was supposed to be the 18th revision .
How is the commission to know that what their high-priced attorneys have agreed to (for US the taxpayers !) is what will eventually find its way to the state ? ......and then back to the commission for final approval . There's LOTS of wiggle-room in this process for shenanigans ...BEWARE GILES COUNTY .
Prune Juice ..making things happen !
Been out of town and just returned to read the Thursday edition of the Free Press. The attorney hired by the county is making some very good points, points that should not be ignored. She states that portions of the act are not provided in state law. The question in my mind becomes if state law does not allow them to do parts of this act then why on earth is the county commission even considering this private act? Her next point is the act could be challenged for constitutional and other reasons. Another good reason to apply the brakes.
Something this attorney did not mention is how will this act impact the county's financial statements? It is my professional belief this will be considered a component unit of Giles County Government meaning that its financial statements will be presented as part of Giles County's financial statements. Its assets, liabilities and debt will all be included in Giles County's bottom line.
Also, the property owned by the district will not be subject to tax. I believe they are going to be developing a golf course, horse riding arena, etc. If these propereties are transfered to district ownership then Giles County will lose much needed tax revenues. And then comes the question will bonded debt be issued for these improvements? If so this will be backed by the full faith and credit of all giles county tax payers.
There has not been enough of a study for the commission to even begin to consider such an act. Shame on those commissioners who have forced this special called session. They have not had time to understand and they are not using sound judgement in this matter.
Ole Hickory
Give it to us ONE MORE TIME
WHERE and WHEN is this called meeting to be held ??
Presumably all taxpayers can attend after they have called their commissioners and told them to vote 'NO" . Be interesting to then see just how they DO vote .........for their own vested intrests or how their constuents ask them to vote . Are the commissioners FOR or against the people who voted them in ? have you asked yours ?? Do try to attend the meeting too
Prune Juice ..makes things happen
I love the fact that Scott Stewart uses the Citizen/Free Press, which is suppose to be a non-biased news publication, in the same spirit as a this blog, to vent his biased opinions about the County Commission and the County Executive. I guess that is what you get when one familiy runs all the news outlets in the town. I'll spend my $.50 somewhere else.
I could not agree more. I am also tired of hearing about how the County Executive treated these so "very nice" developers. She is entitiled to her opinion and in my book she has done an excellant job of handling this very awkward situation.
If Scotty wants to criticize someone he needs to start with the commissioners who had the audacity to call this special called meeting. How can they even begin to understand this important issue without the help of legal counsel. I guess they are just supposed to believe these "fine developers" becasue they have money and memphis lawyers.
Sounds like scotty wants to play golf with Viney at the million(s) dollar golf course backed by your tax dollars. It is a pathetic newspaper.
Ole Hickory
Spanky..
Well, would you say the "Giles Rebel" (laughing here) is unbiased?
Have you folks read this
http://www.gilesnews.us/stories/070511Scott.html
(cut & paste into your browzer )
He really slammed VanZant!!
That is what I am talking about. What other newspaper would have a commentary on the front, with a "Contact Your Commissioner" link. His job is to report the news not to push forward his own agenda. And what is up with the picture, looks like a reject from To Catch a Predator
What should be a wonderful thing happening in Giles County is turning into a nasty situation - simply because that is exactly what it appears to be!
Our county executive was apparently called a red neck with no brains. A later apology should have resolved the matter. Later, The county executive appears to have been given a new private act copy just before the meeting to approve it! Further, some commissioners had prior private access to that private act, in a private meeting, and fully intended to ram their private act down the throat of Giles County! Janet had every right and obligation to do what she did. Most people would have said & did a lot more.
Section 12 remains in the act! WHY!!!!
1) It unequivocally states that "the District, its properties at any time owned by it and the income and revenues therefrom shall be exempt from state, county, and municipal taxation." That which is written into the act is what will be binding, NOT ANY VERBAL statements or promises. It is an all inclusive exemption that no other citizen or business in Giles county has!
2) It further states, "... bonds issued by the district shall be deemed to be securities issued by a public instrumentality or a political subdivision of the State. The interest rate on municipal tax exempt bonds is a fraction of private sector bonds, loans, or other financing arrangements for PRIVATE PERSONAL PROPERTY! If we decide to fence the farm, improve a business, build a fish pond, pave the drive, DRILL A WELL, PUT IN A SEPTIC SYSTEM, or anything else, we pay full sales tax and property tax on it and there is no low interest tax exempt bond or other favorable financing available!
Section 9 notes "The District ... bonds ... to finance ... construction, purchase, acquisition, extension, maintenance, and operation of improvements" - THE POWER AND RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING THEY WANT TO DO! It separately notes, "...the power to issue bonds ... to finance the costs associated with public works ..." TWO SEPARATE THINGS - ONE PRIVATE & THE OTHER POSSIBLY PUBLIC - things NOT available to other citizens or businesses!!!!!
The DISTRICT, as defined within the agreement, is anything but a computer on some clerk's desk! There are no stated limitations on how much money can be raised by tax exempt bond issue nor any restriction of what the money can be used for!
The county has absolutely no business trying to run, administer, or be involved in individual or collective owed property, being a collection agency, or anything beyond its current functions.
A good test of faith would be some personal endorsements backed up by agreeing to civil and criminal liability for any promises or statements! Let's include the lawyers in it.
If you have to buy a friend, you will be disappointed in what you get. Get real - dump the act & wish them well on whatever they want to do. Janet - God gave us a few good old red neck girls, cause they know how to keep the fox & weasels out of the hen house - THANKS! Let there be peace back in the valley.
There is a big tax problem hidden in this mess. Let's call it the loan tax.
State and local sales tax applies to building materials, furnishings, appliances, etc. Most home construction is financed by loans, not income or savings!
If a million dollar home paid 9% tax on half of it, they would have paid the state & the school system $45,000 before anyone moved in! If you think about it, Rutherford County & Spring Hill dumped a ton of money in the state treasury - not for infrastructure where the homes were built! The state, like a child with the key to a candy store, blows the money to the four winds.
The city has an answer - charge the new home owner a a few thousand dollar privilege fee to build the house, on top of the sewer tap, water tap, fees, driveways, streets, endless bureaucrats, and of course, the sales taxes. The Municipal League, union of mayors, union of county mayors, association of educational administrators, TEA, NEA, American Banker's Assn., and the CCP will make sure the home buyer is totally indentured before they open the front door.
Solution? Scrap the private act boondoggle. Pass a law to reserve all building material, etc. taxes for infrastructure of substance - (nothing for administrative or bureaucracy) Provide a refund for those in the country who provide their own water & sewer. The MW infrastructure problem would disappear!
Reaction - watch the pigs squeal
Today common-sense prevailed in the Giles County Commission . They who had called their Special Meeting at the behest of the Milky Way developers were soundly defeated when it came to the vote .
This IS what democracy is about and a big 'thanks' is due to the commissioners for their votes AND to Mrs Vanzant for hiring an attorney who knows the law and can express herself well .The County needs to remember who voted 'for' this project and vote the rascals out at the next election.
There can be little doubt that eventually the MW project will bring some benefits to the county but this bludgeoning approach was the wrong way to do it . Now it is time for all concerned to sit down and discuss how to make it work for all the taxpayers in the county .
Welcome M W ..YES
Subsidise MW ..NO !!
Today the County Commission voted not to send the Milky Way resolution to the state for approval. I’m still not sure if some realized what it was they voted on.
There are some questions that came to light and should be of concern for all citizens.
1st How much has been and will be spent on the attorney from Fayetteville?
2nt Who authorized retaining the attorney from Fayetteville?
3rd Was the County Attorney not capable of rendering an opinion on this matter that could have been handled by a second year law student?
4th If the County Attorney is not capable of handling such a matter, why is he the County Attorney?
5th Was this another example of the County Executive simply shopping around for someone who would agree with her?
6th Of the eight Commissioners that voted for the resolution how many actually read it and will say they felt comfortable with the resolution as written?
7th Of the eight who voted for the resolution how many are willing to explain why Section 12 isn’t simply deleted if there is no intention of the district ever being tax exempt? Allen Barrett
45600 Well written & I agree fully. Two years ago, this would have passed. It was a high stakes poker game & a sound majority of our commissioners didn't blink! They have earned our respect!
I think the main question is, how many of the commissioners will ever understand the MW project.
I was impressed by the 12 commissioners who voted against this project. They used sound judgement and reasoning. I believe Ausburn would have just about said anything to the commission to get them to pass it.
Ole Hickory
Old Hickory,
Were you at the meeting? What specifically was in the resolution that you did not agree with?
WAB
Are you confident that those who voted against the resolution knew what they were voting on, and can explain their actions?
Anonymous..
Of course the commissioners will not understand it. Haven't you heard; they are just a bunch of simpleton good old boys from Giles County?
To Ole Hickory, Yes I was at the meeting. I even asked to be allowed to speak after the rules were suspended and Mr. Ausburn was allowed to speak in favor of passage. I was not allowed to address the two issues that give me the most trouble. Now the reason I asked to speak is because out of the twenty commissioners that were there only six had any questions and only one asked a direct question about section 12 and that was done in a very passive, apologetic manner.
I am and have been very much in favor of this project. I see it as being one of the most significant benefits to all of Giles County in many, many years. The problem for me centers directly on Section 12 page 24. Mr. Ausburn has said that they do not seek any tax exemption but this is what Section 12 states, you can be the judge of what it means but for me the written agreement carries far more weight than does a verbal agreement.
“Section 12. Tax Exempt
The District, its properties at any time owned by it and the income and revenues therefrom shall be exempt from state, county and municipal taxation. Bonds, notes and refunding bonds issued by the District and the income therefrom shall be exempt from all State, county and municipal taxation, except inheritance, transfer and estate taxes, or except as otherwise provided by state law. For purposes of Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 48, Chapter 2, and any amendments thereto or substitution therefor, bonds issued by the District shall be deemed to be securities issued by a public instrumentality or a political subdivision of the State.”
There are some minor parts of the agreement that need to be worked out and clarified; for the most part I don’t believe them to be major obstacles. Article 12 should be a deal breaker if it remains in the agreement.
After speaking with several commissioners I know they do not fully understand what they voted for. As was mentioned during the meeting by two commissioners that were of the belief if they passed the resolution and then it was passed the state our county commission would then be able to make changes, corrections etc.
At least two commissioners had not read far enough into the resolution to even know there was a section twelve. I get very frustrated with the commission at times but realize it’s not simply their fault for not knowing certain things. For the most part they’re just average people trying to perform an incredible task. Most average people in the state have very little idea of what goes on in government. I certainly know that for me the more I dig past the surface the uglier it gets.
Allen Barrett
Sometime back, I awoke and found myself in the midst of a real screwed up county government. The nightmare was reality.
The other morning I awoke and found my government had a solid majority of people who did a better job than I know I could have done. What a good feeling!
The nightmare was forced agreement without understanding. When the spoken words don't match the written words, we have no understanding. If there is no understanding, there can be no agreement. The war of wits boiled down to the wisdom of truth defeating the cunning of knowledge. It's a profound change!
WAB
I am glad it is over and sound judgement prevailed. The county will benefit from the development in increased property tax revenues along with sales tax, etc. If the commission sees the need for capital improvements for water lines, ambulance service etc, this can still be done, but it does not need to be done by jumping in bed with developers.
Ole Hickory
Agree entirely with you Ole Hickory.
I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS HANDLED THIS CORRECTLY. THEY SEEM TO BE DOING A BETTER JOB. NOW, IF THEY CAN JUST CUT BACK ON THE SPENDING. LETS ENCOURAGE THEM, NOT CRITICIZE THEM.
The commissioners are doing a better job because they are being watched more closely, being held accountable and some are committed to doing what they promised before being elected and listening to those in their community. The big test will be on the matter of taxes and a wheel tax. I fully agree they should be complimented when they act responsibly.
Allen Barrett wrote an excellent letter to editor about this rate hike in paper dated 5-15-07. He asks that all Giles Co citizens who possibly can to attend next City Council meeting. This we ought to do as it will effect everybody's water bills who is on any water district. Mr Barrett can you post on this blog when that meeting will be?
The wheel tax fiasco is the brain child of Lovell - he hasn't seen a tax increase he don't like. Look at the spending follies comments section - sale tax revenuse are WAY UP (14.4%) in the two year audit times of 2005-6 compaired to 2003-4. The fact that Jackson fakes budgeted revenue doesn't mean the revenue isn't there! Wake up!
The highway dept needs some help. - add a temporary rate increase to property or sales tax & stop it out when it isn't needed.
Better yet - take all real revenue over Jackson's fake budget revenue & give the highway department whatever they want. Take the million or so that is left over, have a lottery drawing & pass it out to 10 giles county residents!
According to Barrett, Jackson got a $6+ million increase in 2004-5, while every other department's stocking got coal! Lying paid well back then. It's time for the what goes around thing to come back around! A fake paycheck & pick slip would work.
WAB
Forgive me I did not read all the posts yesterday. Section 12 was a really big issue to me. But something else bothers me about the private act.
The private act creates a special taxing district. State law allows taxing districts - for instance state law allows county govts. to establish a special taxing district for solid waste. And in this instance property taxes collected in the district are used to pay for solid waste services in the district.
There is also case law - specifically Kennedy vs Montgomery that states citizens cannot be taxed for one purpose and have the monies used for something else. What this means is that tax money allocated to the Highway dept cannot be used for school expenditures nor could monies allocated to the General Fund be used to pay for Highway Dept expenditures, etc.
Based on these two issues I doubt the private act would hold up in court if a taxpayer in the milky way district became upset over the monies being used to pay for projects outside the district and filed a lawsut challenging the private act in court.
The County Commission can establish a capital projects fund and allocate a portion of the tax rate to go into the fund to pay for needed capital projects all over the county. This is legal, simple and does not involve jumping in be with a developer.
Ole Hickory
The city council meets on the 2nd and the 4th Tuesday each month at noon. Next meeting where the final vote on the huge water rate increase is scheduled for Tuesday 22 May at noon.
I apologize for not including that information in the earlier post. Allen Barrett
Is it true Butch White has resigned from the county commission?
To WAB,
Do you agree with the way the county executive treated Mr. Ausburn when he went before the commission? Passing out false information about his company to everyone in attendance and her lack of personality constraints was an embarrassment to me. I don’t think I have ever witnessed anyone so power hungry as she is and will do just about anything to achieve it.
A citizen of the Lynnville community told me recently, “I went to Janet’s office and spoke to her about the MW project and she assured me, SHE WOULD VOTE FOR THE PROJECT,” and then he said, “She has never lied to me before.” I tried to tell my buddy the truth but he wouldn’t listen, after my phone call to him, he had to admit she lied to him.
Her conduct scares me more than the MW project.
The way she treated Mr. Ausburn was shameful but was no different than she has treated me and a number of other people on any number of occasions. I recently went to her office to get copies of the evaluation letters for the Financial Director applicants. Her former shadow went outside to find a sheriff's deputy who actually came and sat in her office the entire time I was there. When I left her office it was only moments later that he left.
I and others who have had personal dealings with her have tried to inform people of the county about her lack of truthfulness and integrity but for the most part that information has been met the same way your friend reacted to your experience. She can make a great first impression but only a small involvement will reveal a very petty, undisciplined, very insecure Pseudo-Potentate. Allen Barrett
Hell yes I resigned. I signed a blank sheet of paper and told Carol Wade I would not be back for any futute meetings.
Butch
I would like to call all our commissioners out right here and right now and ask them to explain to me, A Giles County District 5 taxpayer their reasons for voting against the MW proposal. Don't assume that I am for this proposal but it seems that once it was voted to send to the state legislature wouldn't that have given them ample time to research the proposal instead of just killing it in the head??? My mother lives in the north end of the county and still has to depend on her spring to get water into the house for bathing and still it's not fit to drink! She can forget about washing clothes when it rains!!!!! I am asking for explanations!!! And by the way for the smart alecks who read this, I WILL be writing my commissioners as well but I thought this was a quicker way to get the word out.
To May 17, 12:51:00
I live in District 5 and I didn't support my commissioners to vote no, but I didn’t for one-minute think either of them would vote against what Vanzant wants. They vote as a group and she is the leader of that group. My suggestion to you is to attend a few county commissioner meetings and it won’t take long for you to understand what goes on between her and the group of commissioners that will always vote, as she wants them to. The only way to solve the problem is to vote both Howell and Pollard out of office.
I think you make a good point as there being time to learn more while the proposal went to the state.
I too live in District 5 and resent the suggestion Howell & Pollard be voted out of office. You oughta be thinking in terms of Holt. He's been on the commission for way too long and never does anything inovative except vote for EVERYTHING to be raised. If you attend some county meetings you will hear Pollard and Howell voting and talking against what Vanzant wants. In the instance of the MW private act, both those commissioners were voting upon the majority of their constituents and you cant fault those people for that. Its what its all about bud.
There is simply nothing wrong with being pro-growth in a responsible manner. If Giles County does not move forward, it WILL move backwards. Any simpleton can say "look how little we're spending...ain't we good stewards of the tax dollars?" Well this is not always the smartest choice. As in all aspects of life, you HAVE to invest first in order to receive a return later.
Mr. Barrett, you are an extremely intelligent individual. I say this with all sincerity...read and apply the principals from "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. In the future you would spend much less time explaining your perceived acrimonious actions - however noble they may be - and receive the additional benefit of being more efficient with your time.
Meanwhile as the various factions continue to snipe at one another, the other counties around us will continue to snicker at our ineptitude - AND, build new schools, attract new industries, etc. etc.
...And so, it goes.
Insecure Pseudo-Potentate is the best discription I have heard and don't forget her pack of weisels.
wab
Mrs. Vanzant wasn't mistreating you by sending someone for a deputy while you were in her office. She knows what a hothead you are. She also knows the terrible things you have said about her. What did you expect her to do? Perhaps invite you to lunch or dinner? You call her a pseudo potentate but come unglued if anyone characterizes you as an arrogant troublemaker.
Yes the surrounding counties do continue to laugh at us because of all the whining and bickering.
As for your reading and applying principles from the Carnegie book, I would suggest that you take an entire Dale Carnegie course. Now that would be a big help to Giles County.
No, the sourrounding counties don't laugh at Giles Co because of bickering and whining, they laugh because we have a CE who hails from another county. Anyway, how does the Queen know WAB has said any terrible things about her, she claims not to read this blog - oh, thats right, she doesn't know how to use a computer. Another thing, since you know so much about that office, tell us whatever happened for The Shadow to leave.
I didn't know the shadow left when did that happen?
Ole Hickory,
You are in tight with the CE, tell us when Jane Jones left Vanzants office, and why.
Sorry, I cant help you on this one.
Ole Hickory
Ole Hickory
Can't, or choose not to?
Really, you all should find something better to do. Here's a clue: I dont work in the courthouse and never have, dont know who jane jones is, sounds like you made up the name. I know who Vanzant is but its been years since I have spoken to her.
You all are really funny. Go take some Geritol and get plenty of rest.
Ole Hickory
To anonymous who posted , May 17, 2007 7:00:00 PM
You stated, “Mrs. Vanzant wasn't mistreating you by sending someone for a deputy while you were in her office. She knows what a hothead you are. She also knows the terrible things you have said about her. What did you expect her to do? Perhaps invite you to lunch or dinner?”
I didn’t feel mistreated by Mrs Vanzant when the deputy arrived, in fact she was more pleasant that usual. Come to think of it every time I’ve had my camera with me she has been much nicer. I feel that I have been mistreated every time she has lied to me. I feel mistreated every time she has used her power and influence to abuse my rights or singled me out for punitive actions, or to spread untrue comments about me. I certainly felt abused when the county commission voted to allow me to address them then when I approached the podium she made the announcement that commissioners were not required to remain in the room while I spoke.
You state, “You call her a pseudo potentate but come unglued if anyone characterizes you as an arrogant troublemaker.” I want to be very serious with you on this point; I have never been bothered at being called a name. I grew up in the housing projects of Murfreesboro and spent 20 years as a soldier I have a very tough skin. I do however have a problem with people who disregard my Constitutional and human rights and the rights of others. I do get frustrated when someone tries to make me believe something totally wrong or stupid and I can not abide a liar. While you say I am arrogant, I have had no one who knows me make that same claim. Perhaps you misunderstand that arrogance is an overbearing pride or self-importance and people who know me do not consider that as part of my personality. I believe because I take some clear cut, right or wrong stands some perceive that as arrogance but please understand being confident in your beliefs is not arrogance as long as your beliefs can be justified and do not diminish those holding different beliefs. One big problem for me is when others have used their power to limit or exclude me simply because they can not defend their positions. When I am allowed to speak it is often with sever time restrictions. Trying to concentrate five minutes of words into two minutes doesn’t leave much room for gentle phrasing. Allen Barrett
wab..
Wrong again! Mrs. Vanzant acted judiciously when she got a police officer to sit in her office while you were there. She knows how you are and what names you have called her. I would have done the same thing had I been in her position.
I would like you to answer a simple question for me. How would you have reacted if someone who had treated you the way you have treated her came to your office with a camera in hand, posing as some sort of reporter? Inquiring minds want to know.
Anonymous did you miss the whole point of my post about this issue. There was no problem with the deputy coming in. Fact is we had a nice conversation.
To answer your question is the esaiest thing I've had to do all day, since I have nothing to hid or feel guilty about I am not afraid of a camera or tape recorder or question from anyone.
May it would help if you read Butch White's comments as to why he resigned they were in the newspaper. Allen Barrett
I love this. Like I posted weeks ago, it's hilarious that every post turns into a fight among anonymous people. Seriously, people, it's not like Giles County is Peyton Place. Just calm down.
Mr. Barrett is 100% correct on his discription of the C.E. Vanzant.
She speaks with forked tongue!!
She wants TOTAL control of the court house and get very upset if any one questions any thing she says or does.
The person wanting to get rid of the 5th. district commissioners is off tract. It should say get rid of the County Exec. Vanzant!
She's pleasant to those that agree with her and hostile to anyone that does not go along with what she wants.
Guess we will have the county giving handing out checks to illegal aliens next!!! Remember that saying "GO JANICE"? If you voted for her, YOUR part of the problem too so deal with it.
wab
No, it was YOU who missed the point as to why the deputy was called to sit in the office while you were there. Naturally, the deputy would be cordial...unless you started "exposing" your rear end again. That's why he was called there to begin with...not to come and engage you in conversation. Laughing here.
To May 17, 1:21:00pm
People like you can never be satisfied no matter what the Commissioners do. Maybe you should have considered writing or calling your commissioners BEFORE the vote on the Milky Way issue. I can assure you that the 2 Commissoners whom you criticize would have gladly considered your wishes before they voted, just as they did the Citizens who DID take the time to contact them. I spoke to both Commissioner Howell and Commissioner Pollard and was treated with the utmost respect. I did, however, speak to more Citizens in our District who opposed the Milky Way Plan than those who approved of it. Maybe you should consider the fact that these Commissioners voted the way that the majority in the 5th district wanted them to vote. They are, after all, obligated to consider what the majority of the voters who elected them want.
Mrs Vanzant is obviously very paranoid when it comes to her having conversation with Mr Barrett. She has a secretary two secretaries sitting within feet of her why did she need a deputy to intrude upon a private conservation? I doubt very much Mr Barrett would get out of order, she just can't deal with her job. We need her out of there.
White sounds like he got his hand caught in the cookie jar & run off crying to mama. Haven't heard one person say they didn't want Milky Way developed, prosperous, & successful. Have you?
Do you know of anyone in the county who doesn't pay sales & property tax on all personal possessions? If you have a pool, you paid sales tax & then property tax forever after. Your driveway is taxed, your bushes are taxed, your garage is taxed, your well is taxes, your septic tank is taxed, your trailer is taxed, your lawnmower & its gas is taxed, & your toilet paper is taxed! If you borrowed money to do it, it wasn't a half price interest tax exempt loan! If you go to a public rest room, IT'S FREE! Milky way gonna lock the gate & doors!
All of us have a problem. It's called runaway tax and crazy spending ... By a very few, with big plans on what to do with someone else's life and money! If you, me, or Milky way builds a house, the materials and furnishings are taxed at almost 10%, long before move in and use any public services. Instead of it going for public or private supplied utilities & stuff, a chunk goes to the schools so Jackson can build a nest, and the really big pot goes to the state so they can send more to Jackson & have tax free days. Because some leaders can't find it or figure out where it went, privilege taxes are passed to whack the new home owner twice for infrastructure. It happens to all of us! - Why not force a law that says all home construction & furnishings taxes got to infrastructure, or back to the home owner if no infrastructure is offered.
Milky Way has another problem. If they developed the area with $380,000 of amenities and a $20,000 lot, taxed at $400,000 total, they might be getting screwed just like us. If the $380,000 goodies remain taxable & the lot is $400,00 all of a sudden the tax base is $780,000 plus the million dollar home (maybe). That's the big one! A simple solution is sell the lot for $20K on the condition that they must pay $380K for their share of the goodies. Then, they'd be getting the same shaft we get. Problem - Holt, Lovell, Reedy, & Woodard & white want to make all of theirs tax free - no taxes - plus pay half price for their tax exempt loan! The shear excitement of getting to pop it to the citizens again got the best of Lovell. He just couldn't hold it back! "we gotta have a wheel tax!" I'll bet, for a hundred dollars, Mrs. Wade could get him a hat shaped like a wheel & a smiley Wal Mart sticker to past on his license plate. That way everyone would know he wants to tax wheels, too! That bunch never saw a tax they didn't like.
As far as Butch White goes, he just a big ole baby who didn't get his way. Boo Hoo. He, along with Lovell, Woodard and Reedy vote exactly like Dan Speer tells them to vote. Oh and by the way, have you ever looked at Butch White closely? I couldn't eat at his restaurant if he served me on a silver platter free of charge. Can you imagine all those facial hairs falling into the food he cooks. I not only boycott his place on the account of how he votes but on the account of his unclean appearance. I'm glad he's gone!
Butch White is one of the most giving people here in Giles County. There is no telling how much money and food he has donated to the many different organizations here and you have the nerve to berate him because he resigned because he feels the people were being treated wrong. He was one of few commissioner who actually had a backbone.
If you decide not to eat at his business good that leaves more food for those who know what good food tastes like. When he resigned GC lost a very good commissioner who always did what he thought was best for the people of Giles county and had no problem expressing his opinion when he thought something was wrong.
To Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:11:00 PM, How dare you make the accusations of Mr. White. Why don’t you go and face him and say your hateful words, because he would have no problem telling you just what he thinks, while you hide behind anonymous, how brave of you.
You state you couldn’t eat a bite in his restaurant but I bet you have enjoyed some of his donated food at some public event. It is so oblivious who you are and your reason for posting such outrageous statements. How much more time did you think your actions could go unnoticed by the public and don’t bother to leave comments as to your non-involvement in the CE’s liar.
Oh, maybe you will past around false papers about him business.
Don't know Butch - may be a good person? Just think if an official goes go off on someone publically calling them liars an so on, they need to say exactly what the lies are or keep quiet. Ms. VanZ gets a lot of hissin at her over lies - some is ok changing of the mind when someone is trying to pull a fast one (MW Farm!)
I do know your taxem heros will support deceit, which is a long series of lies with big tax spending $$$ on it. Lovell's wheel tax has a flat that can't he cant fix. The school budget revenue was falsified in the 2004-5 all the way to now. They're educated people & know exactly what's going on - pulling the wool over taxpayers eyes to spend, spend, and more spend! Not one of them can argue or prove Barretts exposing of the spending for everything except teaching & books! Did you ever learn anything by taking up money (taxes) to faten a fat cat? Been there & I learned to feed my family & sic the dogs of the cat! The family & neighbors who taught me that did it free - out of the goodness of their hearts! What good is knowing how to add & subtract, if you don't have enough sense to stop someone from taking what little you do have?
9:09:00 AM, what the hell are you trying to say?
5/21 6;30 anonymous I AGREE 100% When we lost Butch we lost one of our better commissioners. Even though I did not agree with him on the MW deal. I still think the majority of the time he had the best interest of the county at heart. He was not afraid to speak up or vote for what he thought was right. If the developers of MW had brought their issue before the commission sooner they would have had more time to study and make changes. In my oppinion if there could have be a time limit on the tax exemption it would have passed, but the writing in the proposal was open ended. Down the road the writing would be what counted not things said verbally.
Much is being said about Butch White. I disagreed with him on many occasions and felt many times that he wasn’t as fully involved with county business as he could have been.
I am disappointed in the way he resigned. I think he could have served the county better by making his statement, which I fully agree with, in the county commission meeting and then resign if he wanted to.
Mr. White did not accept his commissioner pay and what he has given in terms of support to this county and it’s organizations is far beyond comparison to what most other individuals and even many groups have done.
I always found him approachable even if at times somewhat cantankerous. For me the most important thing, and something that is missing from many other county leaders, is when he said a thing I didn’t have to worry if he was telling others something different.
I respect Butch White. Allen Barrett
May 21, 2007 9:09:00 AM
Can't list all the lies there are too many.
wab..
Has anyone ever found you a bit cantankerous? Of course not, you would say!
By the way, Mr. White is an honorable and decent man who doesn't strut around like a peacock (as the manner of some do) trying to convince everyone how smart he is.
As for the anonymous poster who said he or she would "boycott" Mr. White's restaurant, why don't you just eat somewhere else when you get hungry? Why do you have to whine and complain and insult the integrity of one of the finest citizens this county has? That's so incredibly childish of you. I'll be looking for you out front of the restaurant the next time I am there to eat. Won't you look silly?
Wheeeeee.Junior High Food fight in progress .
Can we-all come and watch !!
Bubette
a-nag-u-must are you ever going to get anything right. I have read on this blog sight where wab has described himself in much less glowing terms than cantankerous. If you know Mr White as you claim ask him what he thought of wab’s statement. I bet even he would admit at times being cantankerous and worse. Your comments were way off the mark as wab’s statements were actually very complimentary toward Mr. White.
Weren’t you listening when you were being briefed on how to think? You handlers are not gonna be pleased if you don’t start making a better echo. Well what can a person expect from someone who’s job it is to sit on another guys leg with his hand in your back moving your lips.
To anonymous of 22 May 6:20 post.
It would be nice if the worse I’ve been called was cantankerous. In fact I find myself more than cantankerous at times.
When I referred to Mr. White as “cantankerous” it was not used as a derogatory term but more in terms of describing him as a “Gabby Hayes” type personality, lovable but cranky.
“BY THE WAY” if you would spend more time reading what I actually say instead of looking for things you imagine in order to complain about me, you might realize what I wrote about Mr. White was complimentary not derogatory. When I say I respect someone that is exactly what I mean and I do not use it loosely. Allen Barrett
wab..
As you have told others before. be more explicit in your terminologies and descriptions of others. Why did I miss your hidden meaning there or the fact that you were merely being complimentary of Butch by calling him cantankerous. Pardon me, but not everybody has your depth of intelligence. I suppose I'm just used to you calling people liars and buffoons.
To unsmart bart..
You continue to show yourself as a genuine comedian. Will you be joining the anonymous whiner who will be boycotting the pickett line at the Hickory House? So deliciously (no pun intended) funny!
To anonymous, of 23 May 6:06 post
You ask, "Why did I miss your hidden meaning there or the fact that you were merely being complimentary of Butch by calling him cantankerous".
Maybe you missed the point because there was no hidden meaning. It was a simple statement in simple English.
You state, "not everybody has your depth of intelligence". I never claimed to have a great intelligence only that you were lacking one. Your post stands tall as an example of that fact. Allen Barrett
Is the one posting about whiners referring to adults? I always thought that was a term used with children. Could it be the one posting heard the term STOP WHINING so much as a child it is stuck in their mind. I wonder if everyone is as tired of hearing this as I am.
523 606 You really need some PMS counciling - maybe you've been talking through your nose too long. Goodness, if it's a too long nose, who knows where it goes, or what's went on it. Meditation & deep thought analysis is good for PMS - keeps you out of everyones' hair.
Sure glad the pickett line is being boycotted. Butch is too nice a fellow to have a picket line at his place of business. It is the first time I have heard of this happening. BOYCOTTING A PICKETT LINE!!!!!!
Anonymous..
You know very well that it was a typo.....the writer meant boycotting the place by a pickett line. For goodness sakes, get a life and stop splitting hair in an attempt to impress someone.
Wab...
Why don't you investigate the Hickory House matter? You might also consider investigating the IQ's of those who disagree with you. Just because someone finds you obnoxious and arrogant does not mean he or she lacks intelligence. You continue to "suggest" that, and I keep nailing you everytime you do.
To a-nag-u-must
You’re just so consistently paradoxical. Have you not yet realized that the “daffynition” of “stupid” is an anonymous that thinks WAB is “obnoxious and arrogant”?
Just wondering if you gave up your “pressing business” to become a carpenter, I hope so I wouldn’t want to think you’re nailing WAB the way the word is used by the younger generations. Oh, don’t give up you’re bound to say something sometime that will be witty and make some sense.
7;47 Impresses me as not as smart as they think they are. Be careful if you miss that nail everyone will know who you are when they see your thumb. THANKS MR. BARRETT FOR ALL YOUR INFORMATION.
Bart - that'll never happen. Men O'Pause is about as smart as a tomato - It blossoms, turns green, then red, then rots on the vine is someone with some sense doesn't squish it all up & turn it into "catch up".
Mr. Barrett, if you would just state your findings & stop arguing with these idiots people would listen to you. You come across as a "know-it-all" & nobody else is right.
To anonymous of 27 May 2:13 post.
On this thread I have posted 14 comments of the 123 posted. I have sought to inform, part of that informing is trying to make people aware when someone says something wrong about me or something I have written. I will not let a challenge to my character go unanswered as even an untruth can take on a life of its own if left unchecked. I'm sorry if I come across as a "know-it-all" that certainly isn't my intention. I do have confidence in what I know and what I believe but am well aware others know far more than I about certain other subjects. That is why I spend more time reading and listening than writing and talking. Allen Barrett
I know your intentions a well founded, but you overkill by arguing with these people. I like what you are doing. I have people telm me that you say too much. Just state the facts & let those idots show their intelligents. To me they are as Opheila Ford said "dumb." Just let the people know how things are being pull over them & go on to something else.
unsmart bart.
I'm not impressed by your attempts to be comical. You suggested that I have a pressing business and then stated that I am a carpenter. You are wrong on both counts......again.
I wish you could move past your hero worship and get a life of your own. Laughing.
Did you notice the above post wherein the writer even told your hero that he comes across as a know-it-all? THAT has always been my beef with him. So, as I've stated numerous times before, I am not the only one who sees this. And you don't? I have never argued with him that he was wrong on anything!
m27 213 We have your answer! To someone who knows absolutely noting (dumb as a turnip) Mr. B must come across as a know it all. After all, anything he knows, whatever it is, is a mystery to you and the intellectual idiot of m27 936.
Why don't you plant a turnip seed & spend the rest of the summer trying to figure out why won't grow, just because you can't figure out how to water it.
To a-nag-u-must, I’m sorry if I misunderstood but you’re the one who said they wanted “more pressing business” then said you was “driving nails”. Now I have to correct you, I don’t have any hero worship, just doing to you what you try to do to wab. Speaking of wab did you read his excellent response to the writer of that statement? One big difference between me and you is that I don’t care where truthful information comes from if I can verify it while you let your personal dislike or perception of a person blind you to the truth they are revealing. If I was in a crowded theater and Al Gore yelled fire I would leave as soon as I smelled smoke. The most important thing about wab, so far he’s been right. You on the other hand have provided nothing but blind anger so which one of you do you believe I’ll listen too?
Do not listen to the one who says they are always laughing here.
Can it be that folks are jealous of WAB?
Could it be that those out of power are jealous of those who are?
m29 837 More news from the rectory in the form of self analytical surmise - Will the follower morph into a rector or rectum. Unfortunately you speak as the passing of wind - poor pitiful thing.
We would be much better off if everyone was concerned about what was best for the county instead of being worried about POWER.
POWER? Tell that to the CE who lives for power.
I would rather keep reminding those who are jealous and envious of those in power that they are impotent.
I hear that the Power of Ms. Vanzant is most likely to be short lived. That is if the Commissioners do as they are discussing and remove her from the Chairperson position. Let us pray that they do for it would be in the best interest of our County.
For God's sakes, just what is it that Mrs. Vanzant is doing that bothers you people so much? If you don't like it here....move away!
Why doesn't Mrs. Vanzant just go back to Lincoln County where she belongs. My problem is that the position of CE is supposed to be a county resident.
June 02, 2007 8:52:00 AM
You ask what Vanzant does that bothers us? Let me enlighten you, if her mouth is moving, she is lying and that is not a trait I admire. Her total lack respect for any citizen that ask her a question, she immediately thinks she has to cop an attitude, because she has lied to so many people. I am embarrassed how she treats anyone that asks to speak at the county meetings.
If you truly want to know her, just attend meetings when she is involved and spend some time in conversation with her.
4:14 Very well said. I agree 100% 8;52 post must be family. They sure have a lot of guts to make a statement about MOVING IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE. If they condone lying so I hope I never have dealings with them.
4:14 Very well said. I agree 100% 8;52 post must be family. They sure have a lot of guts to make a statement about MOVING IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE. If they condone lying so I hope I never have dealings with them.
4:14 Very well said. I agree 100% 8;52 post must be family. They sure have a lot of guts to make a statement about MOVING IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE. If they condone lying so I hope I never have dealings with them.
Sorry my post showed up three times. My computer only showed it as being printed once.
Sorry my post showed up three times. My computer only showed it as being printed once.
Thanks for "enlightening' me about Mrs. Vanzant. I have talked with her on several occasions and do not find her to be a liar.
Let me enlighten you . She won the election, and you need to get over it.
AMEN, AMEN, AMEN
Vanzant may have won the election but here again it was by devious means and untruths. Dont you remember at the time of the election her spreading around that someone had SUPPOSEDLY called her bad names and SUPPOSEDLY made derogatory remarks about her family, then when she was confronted about it she backed down. What short memories we have. Just because she won against Mr. Gordon does not mean she will get to finish out her term. BEWARE.
Anonymous...
Take it easy; you are getting yourself worked into a frenzy. That sort of thing is dangerous to your health.
All I can say is that you vote for someone else next election since you are so unhappy. And, in the interim, you might want to consult with your doctor about some medication. Such anger.
Totally not angry when I wrote my post. These are just the facts and we all need to be aware of them.
Is it not time to have a new thread.... these have become old news... same old bitching and moaning.....
please commissioners do your job(unlike the CE) remove her from office SHE IS TRULY a liar and loves to abuse her power
Anonymous..
Please allow me to put a different slant on what you just said. You guys truly are whiners who love to abuse those who have the power you don't!
Knowing that you guys are out there just waiting to pounce and dig up any dirt you can on anyone running for public office (those you don't like, of course) is absolutely shameful. I personally know a couple of people who would make great public servants, but they will not run because of you. Thanks a lot for helping Giles County to be all it should be!
The Writer of June 5, 4:02 is not someone who has always been accused a being a whiner, this is someone who just happens to have a tremendous knowledge about a particular situation that you know nothing about. As for people who won't run for office because they don't want to face criticism, then they don't sound as if they would be strong people anyway so who would even want them as a representative? Certianly not me.
I consider the people who are always accusing someone of whinning as someone who was told that a lot as kids.
Anonymous..
They ARE whining. Where have you been since last August's election?
They are unrelenting in their attacks on those they dislike, and I don't see that stopping anytime soon.
And, no, I would not want to subject myself and my fmaily to the name-calling and "suggestions" of dishonesty. In addition to that, I would not want to endure the attacks on my reputation and personal life. Would you?
508 You despise anyone who attacks dishonesty and corruption, especially if they present facts to back up their claims.
You defend those targets, specially if there is no statement or presentation of facts to defend themselves.
Equation- hates corruption fighters + loves corrupters & corruption = corrupt person who loves to wallow in it
The people who are so woefully criticized and accused of anything and everything short of armed robbery will not play your game. THAT is exactly why they do not come on this blog and "defend" themselves. I'm beginning to think that's one of the things that angers the malcontents the most.
And you have the nerve to accuse people like me of defending corruption. That's a stretch.
No stretch whatever! If you can, read the definition of fraud in Websters - It's the longstanding definition by our country, language, culture, and civilization! Add the money factor to it, and it fits the very legal definition of what is happening by our director of education, and anyone else knowlingly participating in the budget scams over the past 4 years!
I'm sure you are a knowing participant, who feels fraud is fine if it goes to what you think is a good cause or greases your palm. Pat your little kid on the head for excelence in educashion - when he can't get a job & flunks out of college, maybe then you'll realize you've been had on both ends! Bad seeds produce bitter weeds - read the paper! You deserve it, I don't!
The sky isn't falling. It's just one pile of dung stinking up the school system, the county, and everything around us. Its time to toss it out and clean the mess up!
anonymous...
You are talking about situation ethics, right? No, I do not believe the ends justifies the means or that one should do whatever he or she needs to do to accomplish the goal. That's wrong.
You ignorantly (describing your behavior) accuse me of being a knowing participant in a fraud. Laughable.
While I am fetching my Webster's Dictionary to refresh my mind on the meaning of the word "fraud", I would like you to look up and become familiar with the word "malcontent".
By the way, the people being most crucified on this blog will not play this terrible game of accusations and name-calling. They are professionals who would not stoop that level. Does that bother you?
Malcontent is a mild description of what I feel about fraud, deception, and waste in the most precious institution outside the realm of God - called public education. Anyone who condones or defends corruption, falsifying reports to obtain money, fudging test scores to look good, saying you saved money in a period of runaway spending, or falsely telling parents and children that they excel when the opposite is true ... qualifies one as a real piece of dirt! Did you read the Tennessean today? There is nothing wrong with being average and unqualified to be a brain surgeon. There is something real sick at telling someone they are a high achiever when they can't even add. It destroys lives! What do you think happens when a 94 student discovers they are really a 34, (the difference was 60 points!) and might have done better if they weren't busy learning how to become homosexual, or worse yet, a moral relativist!
Do you have any idea of what "professional" means? I know, you relativists have changed that definition to "hooker" - mine remains unchanged! Seems like hooker is a good analogy for some.
Anonymous...
I mentioned "situation ethics" and you call me a relativist (a noun). Yep, you called me a name.
The term "professional" has been changed to "hooker"? Please explain.
And please, don't be so truculent (adjective).
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pull along
erase the mind
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i heard that mark
i set the pace
you removed all remaining trails
Riddler,
You keep popping up at times least expected. Have you considered writing a book?
not the riddler - doesn't take a dime or time to rhyme
A rhyme? Where does anyone see a rhyme in that? This person is not trying to rhyme and I see no sign of it being a riddle either. Where did those of you who think this is a riddle or that it rhymes get your education?
Pulaski is amazing. The people call it "Progressive" however they want no part of change. Keep everything like it was in 1950, not movement forward but let's call ourselves "progressive"! Even the store you have on your public square are decrepit to the point of feeling like you transported into the 1950s, that would be good but when you see products on the shelves of that age then something is wrong! Clothing stores selling items of decades past for new styles? Get with it or just admit that is how you want to be. Your town is a laughing stock! I know this would be a good chuckle here, if people listen to the local radio broadcasting on the Internet in other places can you imagine how they laugh? And they do!
A relativist rationalises the absolute into the irrelativity of opinion, where discernment is bad, bad is good, and nothingness is everything. Where the absolute is absolutely irrelevant, we see you wallowing in it. Without a "name" there is no word, no discernment, and ubiquitous nothingness. Looks like the shoe fits.
Yes, the words pro & professional have been used with hookers and other nefarious critters, A bit like the word gay has changed from happines & cheerfulness to fecalism! It screws up the handing down wisdom - like before whizdom became the in game.
A true professional places honesty and integritiy above all else, including their vocation! It ain't happening & you don't know any!
527 Liberalism is a mental disorder - we send them to the big cities where they be with people who share the same dysfunction!
How did you find your way to this pleasant little village. Got lost?
7 2:35 some of our local proffessionals do not need to stoop. They are already down.
"pleasant"
hardly.......
actually, as history has shown, those with disorders were generally cast-out of the larger towns into smaller remote villages.
so, now we see where those with maladies have gathered.
wrong - various tyraniacs succeeded in overwhelming sane people & managed to wipe out entire civilizations.
The task at hand is getting your fingers out of my pocket & stuff them up your rear end where they belong. The issue isn't an obsession to control you. It's stopping you from taking my freedom and possessions. I don't care if you cohabitate with a toad. Your spouse obviously doesn't care either.
"various tyraniacs succeeded in overwhelming sane people"
your current president being one
"I don't care if you cohabitate with a toad. Your spouse obviously doesn't care either."
love the immature personal insults
"The rules are the same: no slander, no libel, no name calling, no flaming, no racial or derogatory remarks."
hey mcpeters! what happened to your "rules" anyway? you gave up long ago, didn't you?
Visitor...
Be careful there. If you say that people from outside the county are laughing at us, you will be criticized severely as I have been for making that same statement about how people laugh at Giles County for all the whining and bickering going on here.
How could this county ever be progressive until the evil, low-life elected officials are run out of town on a rail and the true "progressive thinkers" are put in charge of things? Being facetious there.
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Oh! Facetious is back.
well, I just couldn't sit by any longer and allow the malcontents to get on here and talk about people the way they do. And that is NOT a facetious statement!
Venom or poison is a good description of your mission. It goes hand in hand with moral relativism, where there are no absolutes, thus no morality or purpose.
The people you call whiners really haven't been shy about publically confronting the issues. You on the other hand, can't even respond to signed documents or open questions!
There are two relatively recent sections plus various older presentations this blog dealing with corruption within the administration of schools. Truth is a fire that burns you and your cohorts forcing you to defend corruption. You are afraid to address facts, but have no problem belittling any who fight for the sanctity of our school system. That puts you at middle of the problem.
There is no wide spread harassment of public officials, as you claim. Two people are the focus of attention. Both will not respond.
Get a life
Would be great to see what 525 tells God when asked what they did. Some say you can't lie then.
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"God"
you and your silly sky-pixie
Anonymous said:
"you and your silly sky-pixie"
Glad to see that the taxpayers are getting their money's worth from all the dough given to the Church of Atheism-- you know, the government schools.
Enjoy your smug superiority while it lasts... the older you get, the more you will realize that science is unable to explain all of the mysteries of the universe.
You think "sky pixies" are silly? Folks who doubt the existance of sky pixies actually believe that, if you take a sufficiently large cloud of hydrogen gas, and give it five or six billion years to "do its thing," that it will "evolve" into living matter, which then "evolves" consciousness, and then, in due time, writes all the books in the Library of Congress.
All it takes is:
(1) a large cloud of hydrogen
(2) a few billion years of time
(3) random chance (ie, luck)
...and you wind up with everything in the known universe, including life (which defies the law of entropy), intelligence, and all the artifacts produced by intelligence.
Sorry, pal. I just don't have enough faith to believe in the reductionist materialist explanation for the cosmos. I'm sticking with the "sky pixie" explanation, and if that makes me silly, so be it.
anonymous...
If your little group has the goods on those you persecute on this blog, why don't you turn the matter over to the police? Huh?
No, I think you had rather get on here and malign and whine than to go through proper channels.
You have the nerve to say my mission is venom and poison. Wrong! You guys are the ones spewing venom.
Finally, the "two" people you seem to be after are never going to get down to this level and debate you (respond to your accusations) on this blog.
Nor will you ever get "down" to the level of comprehending the evil mess we are in. You can read & even may know how to add and subtract, but the results are meaningless because you have no regard for absolutes or morality.
Saying you are going to spend more to teach children, but spend all of it and more on non teaching is a lie! To you it's a matter of "debait", used to catch the fish (unaware taxpayer & parents) or simply "your opinion" of financing you agenda.
Falsifying a financial plan revenue (2007-8 sales tax & matching funds) to create a revenue short fall illusion, for the purpose of raising taxes, is fraud from a traditional and legal standpoint. To you, anything that feeds you and your insane bureaucracy is OK. There is near zero economic reality in denying the everyday hardships of average life on this planet.
Your "everyone's the same" mentality and scoring mess will find "96% achievers" faced with a 36% capability (60% point difference!) because rectal orfices like you have corrupted and polluted our education system! The curse is finding out aspirations of being a brain surgeon might result in becoming a drain surgeon in a WALMART restroom at minimum wage!
As said, you have the tools, just don't have the guts, morality, or will to dig!
PS - no one asked for a "debate! The words are, "Clean the mess up or get out, or go down with the ship!" The answer is obvious.
Top Ten Signs that You're a Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" -- including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects -- will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving".
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to prove Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history -- but still call yourself a Christian.
Anonymous,
Who said anything about believing that the "sky-pixie" had a son? That's an entirely different issue altogether.
You have no choice but to believe that a cloud of hydrogen, given time and luck, "evolved" into the universe as we know it. Or you MUST believe that a higher intelligence -- ie, a sky-pixie -- was involved in some way. There is no middle ground.... this is an either/or type of issue.
So which do you want to believe in?
An incredibly lucky cloud of hydrogen? Or some sort of intelligent creator?
Please pick one. Thank you!
And one other thing, Anonymous...
People who don't worship the God that created the universe, tend to worship government. (Of course, that's not entirely their fault, seeing as how the "educational" system is designed to promote disbelief in God, and worship of government.)
Government worship tends to lead to very bad things, such as genocide and mass murder. Twentieth century governments, the vast majority of them "officially" atheist, killed in excess of 250 million people.
"Just to give perspective on this incredible murder by government, if all these bodies were laid head to toe, with the average height being 5', then they would circle the earth ten times. Also, this democide murdered 6 times more people than died in combat in all the foreign and internal wars of the century. Finally, given popular estimates of the dead in a major nuclear war, this total democide is as though such a war did occur, but with its dead spread over a century."
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/
So, before you condemn the "atrocities" of those who believe in God, please remember how bloodthirsty atheists are when they're given the reigns of power. Okay?
No regard for absolutes or morality, lacking in guts and morality and will to dig? What a joke!
Were you attempting to describe my behaviuor? If so, you need to try again.
By the way, you should name the persons responsible for falsifying records and leave your name with the post.
Get a copy of the budget then figure out which dept.
tom..
I made the same suggestion to those who wish for the malcontents to be named on this blog. I suggested that they just ask around town.
So are you saying its well known around town as to who is falsifying budgets and I just ask?
6-12-7 02;43;00 - 11;38;00 The school budget is the only budget that has been consistently criticized over the past 4 years. T Jackson has been named more times than any of us can count - is one more reference good enough for you? He could stop it, but year after year pulls the same crap over and over.
There are many entries detailing fraud, etc., SIGNED by individuals who are not hiding from you or anyone else. Printed documents with names on them have been given out over the past 4 years. No one cares what you think or say - it's an empty space devoid of morality or character. You speak with no truth, foment distrust, and work tirelessly to corrupt all that you touch. You are a cancer within the school system, like an abcessed tooth.
Devoid of morality and character. As one of my heroes (Ronald Wilson Reagan) said, "there you go again"!
By the way, it's the encounter group (aka whine gang) who ferments distrust. Please don't try to pin that one on me.
Finally, I have no connection to the school systems as you suggest.
Still laughable.
Your only hero is yourself. Ronald Regan sounds nice, but is mere idle chatter from your lips - you are a 180 opposite of him. Your character is more on the order of trying to define "is".
Not a matter of trying anything. You pinned the tail on the donkey (yourself). Again, not one cerebral impulse, not even a flicker. Cat got your tounge on the falsified sales tax, BEP, inflation, raises for administration??? Can't get your britches up on the 2004-5,05-6, & 6-7 scams? Lots of various documentation & articles - all about the school admin NUMBERS - theirs, not someone else's.
Moral relativity is amoral - no substance, just chatter like a chipmunk. Laughable to the sick, serious to those who have values or mouths to feed. Yes, you are one of the dots, wiggling on a string.
anonymous...
I have to say that you have some nerve "suggesting" that I'm a liberal and that I have no moral values. You don't even know me and, oddly enough, say I am 180 degrees opposite Ronald Reagan. What a laugh! You are dead wrong if you think I don't admire him and believe wholeheartedly in what he stood for.
Furthermore, if you have all this evidence, why don't you turn it over to or call it to the attention of the authorities who, incidentally, are in a much better position to do something about it than you are. That would seem a better approach than all the endless whining on this blog. If things are as bad as you say, then surely the charges could be prosecuted. Would you agree?
Things are bad. Would the charges be prosecuted? Probably not. And thats a great deal of the problem. No one will take the bull by the horns and do something about it, and I'm talking about those in the legal sector.
anonymous...
I find it hard to believe that the police and the courts would do nothing when presented with hard evidence.
So what's the worst case scenario here? If the legal system will do nothing, then you simply have to wait and use the democratic process of removing people from office. In short, vote them out. Frustrating as that may be, it appears your only alternative.
What good does it do to get on here making accusations and calling people names? That can't be the way to do it. I often wonder if those who have been guilty of doing this ever consider that these "evil" officials have family and friends who might see their posts. I think that is a real shame.
TO: anonymousTuesday, June 12, 2007 9:22:00 PM
There is nothing to prosecute because there is nothing wrong. Just a few folks who have nothing to do commenting on something they do not understand. Giles County has an audit every year - I have yet to see a finding concerning all this supposed "falsified sales tax, BEP, inflation, raises for administration???" accounting nightmare. And why is this - because there is not one.
Ole Hickory
To Ole Hickory,
If you think nothing is wrong you are sadly mistaken. Yes there is an audit every year but it DOES NOT include the budgets. The County Executive has been asked more than once to request a state audit of the budget but while promising to do so has not, to this date. Even the regular audit has uncovered enough for serious criticism such as double billing paid, same person taking in money, posting it and disbursing it, no bid contracts given, and specs for a bid written to benefit one bidder. Prosecution is a problem in that there will have to be either a private suit filed which takes a lot of money or the public has to rise up and demand action be taken which takes time and interest. Most people are aware that there are problems but are so busy trying to feed their family and pay their taxes that they don't have the energy to do battle with corrupt officials. Please, for the benefit of my anonymous friend, understand I use the word corrupt in terms of being deteriorated from normal or a standard.
The other part is that giving raises to administration is not necessarily a crime. The way it has continuously been done here is just very deceptive. It seems when money is given to fix roofs or to give teachers a raise the greater percentage has gone into administration. Many of the commissioners have now caught on to this scam and are more reluctant to approve increases in the school budget not because they are opposed to education but the deceptions.
Allen Barrett
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