Newspaper Ad Against Financial Management
In the Pulaski Citizen of 15 January 2008 there were two very large ads opposing the Financial Management Act of 1981. These ads cost several hundred dollars and stated they were paid for by County Commissioner Edwin Lovell. Others mentioned were Paul Walker,Joe Henry, Corky Wakefield, Chris Edgmon, Ed Harsell, Bill Dunavant, Jack Woodard and Tommy Campbell. Have these ads influenced mind changes about the Financial Management Act?
posted by Allen Barrett | 11:18 PM
220 Comments:
You bet its changed my mind. When I saw the list of names for sure I will vote for financial management.
Why are these people doing this?
It's changed my mind also. I will definitely be voting against the financial management act now that I see these well-respected citizens are against it.
So who are these well respected citizens you talk of. I been here all my life and knew some of them as kids.
Edwin Lovell- long time commissioner whose greatest accomplishment was lieing about county zoning. His greatest expectation is getting a wheel tax for the people. He voted to buy the Hunter Smith building and has been on the commission while it sats falling apart.
Paul Walker a former commissioner that voted for a wheel tax and biggest property tax increase in 50 years. He also did nothing to solve the Hunter Smith problem. Also refused to let people speak in meetings. Joe Henry big wheel behind the scenes draws a big salary for school board without ever bidding on the job. Corky Wakefield his history is ledgendary for notorous. Ed Harsell former school bus member forced to resign when caught in a bid rigging scandle for buses. Bill Dunavant former school board yes man who always voted to extend Jackson contract and supported unaccounted spending by director. Jack Woodard former commissioner with no accomplishments other than the Hunter Smith building and tax increases. Tommy Campbell current commissioner who plays both sides of every issue voted for huge tax increases and wheel tax and helped on Hunter Smith deteriation. What do they all have in common, big talk and little do. Big take and little give. Their endorsement is enough for me to do just the opposite hope everyone else does to.
WAB for enough to make me vote against.
you talk about voting for a wheel tax or a tax increase like its a sin. wake up. nobody likes paying taxes but its everybodys responsibility as citizens to help pay for things that benefit us and alot of people take for granted like maintaining roads, education, etc. i get so sick of people wanting everything for nothing. and no im not rich far from it, i struggle like everyone else. but property owners shouldnt have to pay for everything either. we wouldnt have to have big property tax increases if we had a wheel tax. most other counties do and ours is just behind the times. and what does the financial management act do? causes more bureaucratic red tape and costs more money. just check with counties that have it, it hasnt saved them anything and is lots of cases has cost more. and poster above, even if i didnt feel this way, like you id vote against anything wab was for because his thinking is as backward as it comes.
You could have lower property tax and
no wheel tax and plenty for necessary things if you got commissioners that would stop spending money so freely on unnecessary things.
the financial management don't have nothing to do with making more red tape. Talk to Lincoln officials and you'll see they love the act.
I don't agree with some things wab says but he ain't got nothing to do with the financial management or the truth that taxes are to much already.
Amen to the above post! The answer to having things for the citizens is not always more taxes! Let's get back to basics, cut unnecessary spending, eliminate the fat where it can be eliminated. No one in government thinks like that anymore-more tax base seems to always be the only option. I feel like in a lot of cases (not all), the county and city could get a lot more done with less employees, because it is not hard (for instance) to see (for example) one street department employee in a hole digging up a broken pipe in the street, with 9 other employees leaning on a shovel watching him work. Then they will take a thirty minute break because they got so tired leaning on their shovels in that hot sunshine.
WE NEED FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT IF WE EVER NEEDED ANYTHING!
On day Mr. Wheel Lovell, the Road Superintendent and another County employee stopped at a farm and talked with an old farmer. They told him that they needed to inspect his farm for a possible new road. The old farmer said "OK but don't go in that field." Mr. Wheel and the others said "We have the authority of the State to go where we want. See our cards?"
So the old farmer went about his chores. Later, he heard loud screams and saw the three running for the fence and close behind was the farmer's prize bull. The bull was madder than a nest full of hornets and the bull was gaining on them at every step. The old farmer called out, "SHOW HIM YOUR CARDS", "SHOW HIM YOUR CARDS!!" Moral to this story.....MR. Wheel and others, the people have spoken on this Act, when you come around asking for votes next time, show him (my bull) your card, cause I wan't be needing it!
well this topic is no different from any other on this blog. dont pay any attention to the issue, just slander anyone whose opinion differs from yours.
Since we've voted on this before, just remember how you voted then, and vote the same way again. It should not matter who is for or against this issue, it is how YOU feel about this issue. But, if you are cynical, you will have already decided it does not matter how you vote, someone will rig the voting machines to make all the yes votes no or visa versa, which ever the way the "powers that be" want the vote to go. I still am wondering why I am voting on this issue again. So, the vote did not go the way some folks wanted it to go? To them, get a life. Not everything goes my way eigher, and I'm not whining.
932 Thanks for a bit of old fashioned wisdom & a good chuckle.
You have what is missing today - common sense!
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Spoken like a true idiot! Marshall County isn't in Egypt, it's just up the road - go ask them what happens when you vote for a wheel tax!
Who do you think pays property & wheel, & sales taxes? IT ALL comes out of Giles County residents. A tax increase is a tax increase & we sure don't need one! If you want a wheel tax, move down the road a piece - Marshall County whould be happy to see a dummy with an open wallet!
As for education, the Amish children can add, read, know how to work, and don't bring AK47's for show & tell! Our schools are armed indoctrination camps that teach PC, not ABC &- a high % are illiterate when graduated! The difference between the two is no tax vs WAY OVER $30 million.
Anonymous,1-19 9:32
Who went into the field with Mr Wheel Lovell and the Road Superintendent? Was Julie the employee?
You wrote a good one!
The people who are really fighting the financial management is the political has beens like Corky and Pete. Both were in office and both would do anything to get what they want and never look back. If you have know scruples then you have no conscience, but they do have a fear factor. What can be found in old records?
Accept the vote and live on....Let Loretta do her job.
Accept the second vote good or bad and live on.
Why is Julie Phillips so defensive? I've always heard that the people who protest the most have the most to hide. Everyone including her has the right to being heard. Mrs. Phillips do you know what "free speech" is?
If someone comes out in the newspaper and says things about you are you supposed to sit back and do nothing. I wouldn't. I think she had guts to come out publicly and defend herself. Way to go girl!
I say leave her at the highway dept. If Loretta had to take her she for sure wouldnt be a very good or loyal employee. Let Loretta train somebody else.
I agree with 6:01. Loretta would be better off without Julie who would not be loyal and probably would cause turmoil. Don't take her Loretta, start afresh. Pick you a good one!
I agree...but Barry Hyatt needs to pay her for the job she will be doing. Maybe Julie is afraid that her lack of knowledge will become apparent and her days would be numbered in Mrs. Garner's office. Julie it's not nice or becoming for you to call people "Idiots". Think about what your mama told you about throwing stones.
Julie has made the comment that she would not go to the financial management office because she didn't want to train Loretta Garner. I don't think Julie has a college degree in anything much less a certified public accounting degree. The only training she has is on the job. That hardly qualify her in the league with Mrs. Garner.
The only person tooting Julie's horn is her.
If someone had said things like that about me in the newspaper, I would not have taken it lightly either!
Sooner or later, one of these people is going to try to push the wrong person around. Good job, Julie and Barry!
Any clerical "bookkeeper" can do payroll, accounts payable, etc. and Loretta Garner already has people in place very capable of taking on those duties. Only bit of bookeeping not routine is the bit about severance taxes and some reporting. Anybody can learn. I don't think what Julie does is anything "specialized". As someone already pointed out, Loretta is a CPA and doesn't need a "learnt on the job bookeeper" to train her.
Severance Taxes are not figured at the highway department. They are receited through the tax accessors office by other government offices and posted to the highway reports.
There ya go...
Re 6; 35 tuesday ..
Is that why the County NEVER got any severance tax for the tons of crushed rock used in the Home Depot parking lot (Built on Corky Wakefield-owned property ) . The commissioners and Hiway director were repeatedly reminded about it both privately and publically . YET ANOTHER REASON GILES CO NEEDS FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT . DONT 'FOR'GET TO VOTE 'FOR' IT ON THE BALLOT FEB 5TH
Snodley
BRAVO!!Commissioner Lee!!
If Julie Phillips doesn't want to comply with what the 1981 act states, which says she (as the bookkeeper for the Highway Department) is suppose to move to finance office, she needs to go to the house.
I hope that you and all the other commissioners will take a stand when Mr. Hyatt ask for you to approve her "big" salary at budget time and say no to the line item that funds her salary.
Please take a stand against this disregard for what is right.
I appreciate you speaking out.
Mr. Hartsell stated that we should look at the people for and against the financial management act.
I did...and the ones against it are the same old people who have been running Giles County for the past 50 years. They have just about run us and Giles County's economy into the ground.
Let's dig our way out and move forward!! Make a stand for new ideas and better leadership than we are use to having in Giles County.
Give Loretta Garner and the finanacial management act a chance to prove that it can work for the improvement of Giles County...we certainly need a change.
Was Hartsell trying to say that he and his "friends" are the only people smart enough to make decisions in Giles County???? I have done extensive research on this financial management act. If supported and run properly it can help Giles County tremendously. Yes there is initial cost to the county...but the tax dollars saved by someone being completely accountable for what is spend from our tax dollars will benefit all citizens in the long run.
Mr. Hartsell, I believe I am smart enough to make a decision without your help or support. I did not vote for this act in the beginning, but I will vote for the financial management in February. I think that you will see that all of the negative remarks and fear tactic that you and your group of thieves are putting out will backfire on you. I believe that GIles County citizens are smart enough to see that we have got to get some control over the money that is being spent in Giles County that is not justified or needed.
Hartsell made it very clear what he and his elitist group think about the rest of us. I am disgusted with their attitude and the underhanded way they have tried to confuse and divide the people in order to prevent bring accountability to county officials.
I'M VOTING YES TO KEEP THE ACT AND HOPE EVERYONE ELSE WILL TOO SO WE CAN SEND ANOTHER CLEAR MESSAGE TO HARTSELL AND HIS BIG WHEEL BUDDIES THAT HAVE CONTROLLED AND SUCKED THIS COUNTY DRY.
You people wpould gripe, regardless of the situation. And it's beyond understanding that you can't even show Dr. Ed Hartsell due respect. He IS a good and honest man who is doing what he believes best for Giles County. I would bet my life on that. Oh, and I'm sure that will bring a smart aleck rebuttal.
The problem comes when his decisions are not in harmony with the complainers.
Deserves our respect for what?
If he is doing what is best for the county would you explain his involvement with the school bus bid rigging that led to his resignation from the school board?
Bid rigging? Can you prove that? If so, why don't you turn your evidence over to the suthorities and let them handle it? Wouldn't that be better than smearing his name in a public way?
They did handle it he was allowed to resign.
Ridiculous.
I thought it was ridiculous too, he should have been in jail.
Since you are such a "concerned" citizen, why don't you present your "proof" to the authorities and then butt out? What is so difficult to understand about that?
Is this a circle, don't you pay attention, that's how you started this thing.
927 If Harsel is good & honest, then he has to be dumb as a rock. If he can add and manage his check book, he does know the financial shennagins going on in the scgool system. If he can read and has an eighth grade comprehension level, he knows about the First Amendment,
If the PHD is real, he definately would be caught in the plot to eliminate financial management. On the other hand, who would be touting their PHD while trying to support corruption? Would that be a tyrannical crook or a hungry peacock?
anonymous..
I would suggest that you and/or the encounter group first launch an investigation into Dr. Hartsell's personal and private life and expose anything you can. You might focus particularly on where he got his college education and which institution awarded him the PhD.
You have a lot of nerve. He has a different view than you do, so he must be either dumb or a crook! You people just never stop.
Lert me say something to you again. If Dr. Hartsell is guilty of anything, turn your evidence over to the legal system and then butt out! It's really a simple process.
What do you MEAN "you people"?
Ok, you pretend that you don't know who is behind all the drama?
You know who they are. They are the ones who are constantly pointing fingers and calling anyone, other than themselves, such things as crook, liars, ignorant, etc.
Hartselle sounded dumb on the radio. Rambled alot showing his stupidity. Lovell sounded like he was scared to death that Hartselle was going to say something wrong like GASB 32???? So much for what he knows. Keep Financial Accountability Going. Vote Yes
742 - You are right out of the bowels of hell - taunting and arguing for the foulest forms of corruption. Words and language have finite meanings readily available to everyone. What could be more vile than corrupting the school & education system? ans.: a dumb ass cheerleader for the corrupt! Your contempt for God, country, and fellow man is wriiten all over everything you do!
A man who uses his education to deceive and take advantage of those less fortunate doesn't have to explain anything to me, that's up to the power neither one of you respect.
If the two of you want respect, you have to earn it. You have earned contempt & there will be no apology for calling either of you the appropriate linguistic term. As for Doctor??? How about De. as in deciever?
GTC Says:
In regards to the advertisement published in our local newspaper I must speak out:
This is a blatant example of the “good old boys” banding together, misinforming the public, and insisting that the public conform to their will.
YES let us regress into the past and be regressive. Let us continue to manage our public government the way they did it in 1900.
Be on notice, if you are an elected public servant that does not mean once elected the public is your servant. You serve the people Mr. Campbell and Mr. Lovell. The majority of the public has spoken but you don’t like it.
YES let us have no over sight or control over financial matters.
YES let us not conform to Standard Accounting practices.
YES let us insist that the Ambulance Service, Highway Depart, the School Board, and all the other public departments not submit and be accountable for line item budgets.
Possibly many Tennessee Counties have not adopted the 1981 Financial Management Act; however, Mr. Lovell how many counties have a centralized accounting system in place?
I urge all citizens to Vote FOR continuing the Financial Management Act. I urge all citizens to require Giles County to move into the future and not be regressive
So, let me see if I understand this correctly. Dr. Hartsell is evil and dumb because his opinion concerning the act is not the same as yours. That being the case, you would either have positive things to say about him (or nothing at all) if his view was in agreement with yours? Am I right about that?
1117 reread 744
deceit is deceit, and the intent is corruption - it is very easy to ID & has been repeatedly in this blog - very specifically & to the point by several writers.
"It's" not literally dumb, but conniving and evil. A dumb ass is a small long eared animal that follows wherever the master leads, usually carrying a sack of rocks, just to make sure it feels wanted - that fits you!
Hey, Instead of getting your drawers all bunched-up about individuals, give some thought to what's going to happen next tuesday ..People WILL vote .
Do you intend to just let it drift by and allow the heavyweight money-boys to roll over Giles' taxpayers or are YOU going to DO something to try and stop them ?
Have you discussed the financial management act with your family and friends ? Do you know why it is the best thing that's happened to your tax-payments in over 200 yrs in Giles County ? Are you trying to convince them to vote FOR the act next tuesday or just allowing the Big Bucks behind the newspaper ads to convince them (falsely ) otherwise ?
Do you ask folks to vote FOR it at work ? eating lunch? playing golf ? drinking a beer ?
Will you be outside a polling station with a placard that reads "Vote FOR Financial Management " or will you just huff and puff afterwards ?
Next tuesdays vote FOR the continuance of Financial Management implementation is one of the MOST important votes you'll make in a long time .
Dont just sit there and complain about local government spending YOUR $$$ unwisely ......go DO something about it.
Prune Juice ..making things happen
Of the $6,111,736 in new taxes demanded by the Giles County Board of Education and Tee Jackson in the past 4 years, $1,261,047 passed for 2005 and the remaining $4,841,875 were defeated. None of them were necessary! The proof of that statement is as easy as comparing the year to year numbers in each state audit, instead of believing the savings garbage concocted by comparing a phony "after school is out budget" to actual spending, etc.! If all of tax increases had passed, your property tax increase would have been almost 5 times greater in total than the one tax that did pass (611736/1261047)!
Mr. Lovell and his tax troupers are fighting tooth and nail to eliminate financial management. He doesn't want to turn the school accounting and finance over to our finance director. He has also fought tooth and nail for every school tax increase he could vote on. (last one died before he could vote on it, but he did fight for a wheel tax in committee and before the council and lost)
The fight for financial management and control has saved the taxpayers almost $5 million in defeated property tax increases over the last 4 years. I believe we have a financial director in place who will put honesty and integrity above the deceit and fraud that has threatened this county over the past four years. A yes vote for financial management means that Lovell and his tax troupers are a lot less likely to tax you out of house and home in the next year or two. This is only one small issue of many, including falsification of financial data that must be fixed, and I believe Mrs. Garner can do it with a little support from the community instead of the petitions and uninformed gibberish intended to undermine her.
donm
don
It seems to me that you and your band of "troupers" are the ones doing the fighting. It must be hard kicking against the pricks while knowing all the time that you all are so much smarter and should be in charge. It has to be frustrating. But maybe we don't want you to save us. I'm sure that will bring swift rebuttal. Let me guess how it will go. We are too complacent and unintelligent to comprehend and therefore allow these crooks and liars here to mistreat us. Would that be close?
I'm surprised Mike Mayfield would stoop so low as to suggest if you're not born in Giles Co. you have no right to be concerned about your tax dollars. As a native Giles countian I welcome "outsiders" to come in and help me pay taxes for all these services we get.
You people won't quit. Financial Management won't stop school spending. The director of schools will prepare his budget just like always. The board will approve it and the commissioners will approve that. No change. The only change is that someone else will look at the budget and see if that line item has enough money in it to spend. If not an amendment will be done just like normal. If you don't believe call the other counties, I did. It will not change and don't let these people make you think it will. Please check it out for yourselves. This is just like the penalty for habitual late payments. It never happened that the payments were habitual. Two payments out of one every month for however many years is not habitual by any dictionary. Don't take anyone's word, find out for yourself!! Please!!
716
I don't question your intelligence, cunning, or ability to corrupt public education. I have no burning desire to save you from anything, including yourself. I'm sure you know Webster's and the legal definitions of fraud, deception, and probably the ethics and standards of conduct required by the AICPA, GASB, CMA, and any other professional board of certification. I don't have to do anything about you. You are irrelevant.
The issue is fraud and corruption. The paper trail is a mile wide and never ending. It doesn't matter how many timid souls will hide and cower before you and yours. There are citizens in Iraq taking bullets for people like you (pl.), while you corrupt their children and take bread from the mouths of their family. History says there are people in this land and community with the power and desire to restore truth and morality.
Your "book" is in the hands of many and so be it. You are the frog waiting to see if the water will really boil. Buy yourself a pack of dominos, line them up and watch them fall. You might learn something useful.
Such irrelevance. You people just never stop pointing the finger.
Would someone explain to me why Mr. Lovell, Mr. Hartselle, and the other opponents to Financial Management are so adamently against giving the 1981 act a chance.
The only new expenditure for salary is the amount that Mrs. Myers is being paid to come from the highway department in Mrs. Phillips place. If anyone would just read the act it plainly states that the bookkeeper from the highway department will move to the finance office. Mrs. Phillips did not want to so the line items for her salary should be eliminated and she should be told to go home. Jobs are eliminated in every faction of business. If your job is no longer in place you should either move to where your job is or go find another job. This is no different than when a factory closes and the employees can move to the new location of find new jobs. Mrs. Phillips chose to do neither. When asked about this act on Mr. Hyatt and Mrs. Phillips part, Mr. Lovell's comment was that he didn't blame Mr. Hyatt for not making Mrs. Phillips go. How can someone who wants to scream that this act is going to cost the county so much, have such total disregard for this act of defience on Mr. Hyatt's part?? To me he is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
The twisting of the truth about the cost of $300,000 to run the finance office yearly is so wrong. If commissioners and county officials cannot be trusted to tell the public that funds from other line item budgets already in place will be moved to pay the salaries of individual moved into the finance office, what else will they lie about.
Mr. Lovell, I ask you as a citizen of Giles County, please go on the air and fix this misrepresentation of the facts.. Be honest and give the citizen's correct information so they can make a decision based on facts not half truths. It is not right for elected officials to do this to the citizens of Giles County. This is a scare tactic and I do not see how you can do this in good conscience.
Be honorable and do what is right??
Do you not think that the bookkeepers have other duties besides bookkeeping that someone is going to have to do at their old offices? I assure they do. Someone has to do that and someone will have to be hired to take their place. Mrs. Phillips I am sure does other things so if someone has to be hired to do that why can't she do it. Go to the websites of those sytems that are in Financial Mangement someone was hired as liason. Secretaries were hired in the old offices. That is extra expense so the bookkeeper salaries may go to Financial Management but secretary salaries have to be added.
So what you are saying is that Julie should make the same amount of money doing less and be called a secretary and then the county should pay Mrs. Myers a bookkeeper's salary to take on probably 75% of Julies duties and responsibilities. Why not hire a $10.00 an hour secretary and put Julie (the bookkeeper who make $45,000) at the courthouse. Explain to me why Julie should be getting special privileges and should not be made to go to the finance office like the bookkeeper from the Ambulance and School System? There is no logic in your response. Think about paying someone $45,000 for 25% of what their responsibilities are now. Come On..that just not logical or beneficial for the county.
So does the highway department need a 50,000.00 dollar a year secretary who only works four days a week? Who answers the phone on Friday when she is off? Do you really think there's no one already in those offices that can answer the phone, how much training does a person need to answer the phone? You can have one of the leaners sit down for a while and answer the phone.
They have a secretary (Kathy Young)that sits in the garage and answers the phone for the mechanics (even though the front office has a intercom system). This employee make $17.00 a hour and all she does is answer the phone and clean the men's toilet. It's been said that she has an inside track to one of the main supervisors..so she is not required to do much.
Mrs. Young could do everything that Julie will be doing as a secretary and still clean the men's toilet.
Julie should be at the finance office with her big salary, Kathy can move to the front office so she can be closer to the power that be, and Mrs. Myer can go home. This will cut out a bookkeeper. Save some of the money that Mr. Lovell is trying to hold on to.
Or better yet Julie could loose that $45,000 salary and go home, Kathy could move to the front office of the highway department, and Mrs. Myers can stay at the finance office making her $30,000. Saves the county 15,000 in salary and eliminates the benefits (insurance benefit, retirement, sick days, holiday pay, and vacation paid to a extra)employee. Look at the savings for getting rid of one spoiled rotten employee, who doesn't "want" to go to the finance office. Boo! Hoo!
Julie needs to go home, and we as citizens need to let our commissioners know when budget time rolls around and Barry sticks her $45,000 salary into a budget line item that there will repecussions to them at election time.
Now who is pulling a trick...Would that be justice or what!!!
Since the bookeepers from all the office seem to make different salaries are their salaries going to be the same when they unite under one Director? Will that cost the county more or will some make less than they do now?
Salaries will remain the same because the duties are the same. Only change is where they are sitting to do the work.
MY GOD, KATHY YOUNG MAKES $17.00 AN HOUR? I'D LIKE AN APPLICATION PLEASE. OH, NEVER MIND. THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS AND THEY NEVER ADVERTISE JOBS. YOU KNOW AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER (even as a teenager) IF YOU EVER CRUISED THE BACK ROADS IN GILES COUNTY YOU COULD ALWAYS FIND HWY DEPT EMPLOYEES ASLEEP IN THEIR TRUCKS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 1 HERE OR THERE I'M TALKING ABOUT 3 OR 4. I REMEMBER A NICE SUNNY DAY WHEN I CAME UPON ONE OF THE OLD SUBURBAN'S PARKED OUT ON CHESTNUT GROVE ROAD AND 4 GUYS WERE IN IT ASLEEP. ALSO HAVE HEARD SOME WOULD GO HOME AND PARK THE TRUCK IN THEIR GARAGE WITH THE VOLUME ON THE RADIO LOUD ENOUGH FOR THEM TO HEAR INSIDE THE HOUSE. I DO BELIEVE BARRY HYATT HAS MADE SOME SIGNIFIGANT CHANGES BUT THE FACT THAT HE HIRED JENNY TO KEEP JULIE OUT THERE HAS COST HIM MY VOTE THIS AUGUST. I LIKE BARRY AS A PERSON BUT IT REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT HE DID THAT WITHOUT TOTAL REGARD TO TAXPAYERS. JULIE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN OK PERSON BUT I CAN SEE HER GETTING PISSED OFF ABOUT HAVING TO MOVE AND THROWING A FIT TO KEEP FROM GOING. IF THE ACT STATES THAT SHE HAS TO BE THE ONE TO GO, THEN WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT HIM HIRING JENNY? I'M NOT BEING SARCASTIC, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF JULIE CAN BE FORCED TO GO WORK UNDER LORETTA GARNER? OR IS THAT LORETTA'S CALL TO MAKE?
I don't think Julie can be forced to go but the county commission can cut the budget line item out of Barry's budget to fund her salary in April.
Barry will cost himself his election along with his integrity taking care of Julie. Why would he do that??? The citizens of Giles County need to let him know that he is as worthless to the county as Julie is. At least Kathy Young cleans the toilet.
On thing I learned from all this stuff about the finance department is Edwin Lovell is a liar and has lost all credibility. Maybe he didn't ever have any but I thought he did.
Edwin Lovell is a real disappointment. He has lied so much regarding the Financial Management Act that I will be surprised to see him ever be able to tell the truth again. What is most sad is some of people backing these ads "Against" this act have gone into their churches and lied to their congregations. Shame! How they can lay their heads down at night is a mystery to me with all the deceit they have spewed. I only wonder what this select group's plan B is if the act stays in place. It will be very interesting to stand back see how low they plan to stoop then. As if they could stoop any lower.
anonymous..
So, Mr. Lovell is a low-life and a liar simply because he disagrees with your little group's ideas of what's best for Giles County? And before you jump on me, let me just say that I voted for the Act. But I don't go around town trying to ruin someone who might disagree with me. I cast my vote as a law-abiding citizen. Isn't that what we are supposed to do? Or would you have us marching in the streets and calling those who differ with us everything from a liar to a fraud? Do you people ever let up?
Lastly, I have lived here all my life and still believe Giles County is a wonderful place to live. I can think back to a time (not so long ago) when we didn't have all this mistrust, personal attacks, accusations, and name-calling. We were doing just fine. Who started all this mess? We both know, don't we? Perhaps these people who are so much smarter than we are should take a course on tolerance for others.
929 you're right about one thing - GC is a wonderful place to live.
You're wrong about the rest of it! "It" started with an unnecessary tax increase for 2005. Proof (not an opinion)of that is in the state audit documents, which show they spent well over the tax increase amount, over double the inflation rate, and still had a year end excess revenue more than the tax increase they got - more than double the amount they said they needed for that year!
It got out of control when Gonzales, Jackson, and the school board jailed 2 citizens for exercising Constitutional rights. Every year since the books get cooked more and more as the demands get more ridiculous! It's no error. It's the worst form of corruption in the most sacred institution of civilized people -(EDUCATION)!
The information in this blog and in the annual state audit reports, and in their own hand made funding requests (budgets) says they are not only liars, they are engaged in fraud, it is organized and active in other departments, and that adds corruption to the list. I wish it wasn't true, but it is!
Our words and language are defined in our dictionaries and must be known and properly taught in education systems. - Anything else is babble & satanic. Look up deception, fraud, corruption, and liar.
You ridiculous people want everyone to respect a liar and thief if they hold an office of honor and respect. You are supposed to respect and honor such offices enough to protect them, not desecrate them or allow anyone to desecrate them! Worse yet, you want them to educate and imprint their values on innocent little children! and we wonder why we have armed guards in our schools and teachers who are frustrated to tears!
The only difference between the beloved house cat & a skunk is the name and a white stripe down the skunk's back. If you don't know the difference you sure will when you go and hug one. However, skunks generally love one another & you may enjoy the experience???
And if WAB were such an upstandable truthful, trustworthy individual he would have won the election for commissioner. He didn't because most people know that. He should be in acting because he can sure put on a show! Maybe he needs to run for school board and straighten them out himself.
I didn't know what to do about the vote for or against the Finicial Management. I didn't know all the people beckering. Then Kathy Norman who I know is on the Board of Education writes a letter to the editor. So where there is that much smoke there must be a little fire under it. Why come out so strong against it if there is nothing to hide.
I saw Kathy on the blog tape and she seemed like such a nice woman, the kind way she talked to Barrett and I think it would of past off ok for she would of talked with him the same nice way. But a very angry person who acted like he thought he was king jumped in.
anonymous..
That's what I've been trying to get WAB to see for a long time. I still wonder why someone close to him hasn't pulled him aside to give him some constructive criticism. Amazing.
As for the other anonymous who states that I am wrong about everything else about Giles County, let me just reiterate that he or she has as much right to see things differently as I do. Having a different and opposing viewpoint doesn't make me a liar or a fraud.
We have armed guards in public schools now because of liberals who succeeded in getting God kicked out of school and because of, need I say it again, liberal lawyers and judges who come down on the left of what is right. Imagine that!
No, those two law-abiding and concerned citizens were jailed because of their actions. They were out of control and everyone who was there knows that. And the childish thing about it all is that they are still whining and never consider that it was their ACTIONS that got them into trouble.
By the way, how are elected officials attempting to impose their "values" on our children? And, if we are such ridiculous people here, then why don't you move to a more pleasant location such as Detroit or Chicago where people are known for being friendly and smarter than southerners, particularly Giles Countians?
Lastly, your analogy of the skunk was hilarious. I suppose you should be in charge. Would that make you folks happy?
Anonymous 9:29
I thank you for voting for the Financial Management Act. You did the right thing. However, I don't belong to any group as you stated. If being among those who are honest and upfront then you may be correct. Vehemently I disagree with you about your statement of "I don't go around town trying to ruin someone who might disagree with me". Sir or madam whatever you may be, I haven't not made this issue a public forum for debate. Mr. Lovell and his cronies have. When you open your mouth and spew blatant lies and misconstrue facts to the voting public you are open to all criticism. He is lying and so are many of his followers. This is not a matter of disagreeing with anyone. It is about the TRUTH!! I base my criticisms off of the statements they have made. You obviously see how positive this act is. It amazes me how you can not be upset that the citizens of Giles County are being lied to. What about all the people being deceived that will go to the polls and vote against because they have been lied to??? Is that okay with you? You think it's ok for elected officials to lie to citizens. A liar is a liar anyway you look at it. Again, when you take an oath of office and you deceive the people you represent then you deserve to be called a liar publicly.
Sadly, Barry Hyatt and Julie Phillips have lost alot of professional and worsely personal respect from alot of people. And sadly, again, they will never get that back. I dont see that Barry will run again. I will be very surprised if he does. He has already worked at the Hwy Dept. for longer than he's ever worked anywhere. I am wondering though, if he regets his decision to keep Julie at the Hwy Dept and to hire Jenny. It along with his decision to so publicily oppose the Financial were two of his worst and he should recify them now..... NOW. I find when it is voting time, keeping your vote to yourself is always the best answer. Besides, its really no one else's business how you vote.
10;54 Are you saying that anyone who loses an election is not trustworthy or thruthful?
I think that is exactly what they are saying. Ignorant huh?? So ridiculous!!!
The problem is not that someone may disagree with another but that in that disagreement one begins to say things that are simply not true, that is what makes the person a liar.
Understand this very simple thing, anyone who says or intentionally implies that the Financial Management Act of 1981 will cost the county $200,000.00 to $300,000.00 dollars in new money is not telling the truth. For me a person intentionally not telling the truth is a liar plain and simple. If a person is willing to lie to you that person has absolutely no respect for you or their self.
The only recurring expense in new expenses is the difference in Mrs. Garner’s salary and what Mrs. Roberts was paid. Even this did not have to be so high except that it was set by the financial management committee which had Mr. Hyatt, Commissioner Campbell and School Director Jackson as voting members.
Mrs. Garner was never asked what it would take for her to take the job. When told what they planned to pay she was very surprised and stated that it was "very generous".
So if you want to disagree with me that is fine but at least do it in such a way as to maintain your respect and integrity. Now, so there will be no misunderstanding let me say this again, anyone who intentionally tells or implies that it will cost Giles County between $200,000.00 and $300,000.00 in new money each year is a plain black hearted liar and it hasn't got anything to do with whether you disagree with me or not.
One other thing, to those who continue the tired old mantra that people who don’t like it here need to go back where they came from consider I have lived here since 1983 and have been a legal tax paying resident here since 1965 and that is a whole lot longer than some of those in favor of repealing the Financial Management Act of 1981. Allen Barrett
I noticed in Kathy Norman's article in the paper she stated she had lived here 13 years.
wab..
What have I, or anyone for that matter, said about you that is a lie? Please explain that one. I for one have NEVER said anything false about you. As I have mentioned previously, the proof is in the pudding. Anyone with half a brain cell (condescending here) can observe how you act and talk to people who disagree with you. And YES, the fact that they disagree with you and your "cronies" IS my bone of contention with you and IS the issue as far as I'm concerned. But not mine only; as I have said, just ask around town.
You call Mr. Lovell a liar. Well, according to you, he goes to church and lies. But you go to church and do things equally harmful. So please don't sit there in your glass house and cast stones at his! Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical of you? Of course, it does. Mr. Lovell is just as entitled to his view as you are. Being a veteran, you should know how precious it is to have that right! And, being a man of God shuld prompt you to pray for and try to win Mr. Lovell's soul rather than call him a liar! By the way, I do not know Mr. Lovell, so you can't go there and falsely accuse me of defending "fraud and corruption". You guys love those terms.
And finally, I will say it again. If you are unhappy here, take off. It matters not to me how long you have been a resident of Giles County. I am more concerned with your happiness. Why be miserable? So many opportunities await you out there. Should you choose to do so, please know that you will be sorely missed. Being facetious there.
I hope everyone will vote for what is best for our beautiful county. Personaly I do not see why we should not give it a chance. If something is in hiding we need to find it. With centralized accounting they can at least share software and buy supplies is bulk. That will save some. As far as who is against and who is for it, would it not look better for Hartsell and Foster stay out of it after they cost extra money for the bus deals?
To anonymous of the 3 Feb 7:16 post.
There you go again trying to turn a simple statement into something about me. Go back and read what I very slowly and hopefully you will see that my entire statement was about the Financial Management Act of 1981 and what is being said about it.
What you have personally said about me is simply your opinion and it is wrong. I have tried to show you where you insight about me is so limited that you can not possibly make an assessment or form an opinion based on real facts and truth. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me but I do have a problem with someone who doesn’t even know me trying to define me in a very negative way.
What I said about Mr. Lovell has nothing to do with his salvation, his personality, or what size hat he wears. It was and is a simple matter that if he or I or anyone would knowingly tell something that is not true that person has told a lie. Anyone, regardless of who it is, that has as much knowledge about the Financial Management Act of 1981 as does Mr. Lovell and they say the Act will cost the county between $200,000.00 and $300,000.00 in new money they are willfully and knowingly telling a lie. Yes I understand some have repeated that lie believing it to be the truth, their statement is not the same black hearted lie as told by those who know it is not true.
I would also hope someone would someday explain to you that because a person is not satisfied with a situation and actually seeks to make that situation better is not necessarily an unhappy person. People who know me are well aware that I am a very happy, joyful person. This is the part you fail to understand and I believe it is a result of your own short comings, unlike you when I see something wrong or unreasonable I seek to do something to change it not ignore it or run from it. My desire is to make Giles County as great a place as possible for all the taxpayers not the officials who see themselves as masters of the people instead of their servants. Now before you try to twist that I believe that most of the officials are very interested in serving those who elected them. Bottom line is when I leave this county it will be by my own choosing and there is no one who can run me out, try and I just dig in and stand firm. Allen Barrett
wab..
I define you based on empirical (observable) evidence. And that evidence is in abundant supply on this blog.
I had to laugh about your being a very happy person. I think those that know you and your antics perceive you as a very sad and resentful person who lost his bid for an elected office. But, I could be wrong. Some people are most happy when they are stirring up trouble or causing others grief. So maybe, in that respect, you really are happy. But how can a truly happy person be constantly involved in ranting and raving and in pointing the accusing finger at others? That would be an irony, now wouldn't it?
Unlike you, I am the kind of person who respects others' right to differ with me.
Your depiction of county officials acting as masters rather than servants is so infantile. I don't know of a single elected county official who views him or herself as such. We both know that's a stretch in spite of the fact that you have literally crucified some of them on this blog. Oh, but I'm sure you will say that I am blind, ignorant, and/or unconcerned with all the fraud and corruption, right? Now that would be a black-hearted lie!
Finally, I was not asking you to leave this corrupt county that's being run by a bunch of liars and crooks. I was merely suggesting that, with your intelligence and leadership abilities, you could better serve mankind in a bigger place with a more educable populace. I was only trying to help.
WAB
You are dealing with an imbecile. Suggest you dont waste your wind on this person. Those who matter know you and have great affection for you.
Keep on keeping on.
To February 03, 2008 1:59:00 PM
You may have described Barrett, but take another look, you also described yourself.
Why can't someone tell why what Barrette says is wrong instead of saying bad things about Barrett.
It leaves some us thinking what Barrett said was true.
what wab says may or may not be true. That's not really the issue, is it?
159 Someone is ringing your bell on the next fin mange blog down - I thik it's the Maytag man trying to tell you the warranty ran out in 1938 & even if it didn't, they don't cover things other than intended washing machine use.
Riddler..
You are so hilarious.
Congratulations to all of Giles County on the very wise decision to keep the Financial Management Act of 1981. It is a victory that will benefit the whole county. It was also, I believe, a firm statement that the county is no longer going to be led mindlessly by the ole voices but will decide issues based on their own minds and intelligence. Now we must all work together and focus on consolidation of the separate water districts so the county can grow and everyone who wants it have public water can with equal cost. Allen Barrett
well put, but the fox is still in the hen house, still in charge of the flock, & still the moral guide of hatchlings
wab..
You started off your post in a very positive manner, but you just had to go negative again by stating that people do not want to be led mindlessly by the "ole voices". Can't you just let well enough be?
517 you really need to read some of Job, The 2nd Epistle of John, Jeremiah 21, and too many other passaged to name. Forgiveness comes after repentance. If you lie with a dog you get fleas. too many good references both common culture and Biblical to name.
A whole lot of the deceivers, liars, and worshippers of false idols (people, money, dumb things) were wiped out. In fact people were wiped out for simply looking back instead of running harder(Lot's wife).
do you hide under the bed when storms come? I know - you're a pillar of the community. Take it easy on the salt.
anonymous..
If you keep thinking in a nutty way, you eventually become a nut.
Anonymous 10:50 who are you talking about? I had rather be a nut than a liar.
How long has Julie been employed at the highway dept? Was she there before Barry was elected? What about her husband Kyle? Was he already working before Barry was elected? Just wondering since I have been told that Kyle and Barry have been long time friends.
Julie has been there a long time. Dorsey Johns hired her right out of high school...I think.
Pete Britton hired Kyle for Julie when Kyle, Barry, and Steve's trucking company went bankrupt. But since Barry took over both Julie and Kyle have got substantial raises and Kyle went from equipment operator to supervisor under Barry's administration. And Julie went from secretary to bookkeeper...and now she demoted herself back to secretary with the salary for a bookkeeper. Nice situation for her...less work and less responsiblity same pay, same 4 day work week, same benefits.
Sign me up...kinda like the welfare system. Less you do the more the government pays.
I would just like to say that all this stuff is none of your business or mine! Shame on you. Don't you have anything better to do than concern yourself with other people's private lives?
I'm reminded of a great old quote that goes something like this: Great minds discuss ideas; medium minds discuss things; small minds discuss people. Please apply as needed.
THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WRONG. IT IS MY BUSINESS!!! MY TAXES ARE WHAT PAYS BARRY'S, JULIES, AND KYLE'S SALARY.
SHAME ON YOU FOR NOT HAVING THE INTELLIGENCE TO UNDERSTAND THAT!!!
IT IS NOT "PRIVATE LIVES" WHEN TAXPAYER'S MONEY IS PAYING FOR IT.
I'M REMINDED OF A SAYING FROM FOREST GUMP,
"STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES" IF YOU BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT THE TAXPAYER'S BUSINESS I'D SAY THAT IS PRETTY STUPID,AND I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO "APPLY AS NEEDED" AND READ A BOOK UNDER UNETHICAL GOVERNMENT PRACTICES.
anonymous...
I think if you would wipe the tears from your eyes and read my post again, you will see that I said the personal or private lives of people is none of your business or mine. Excuse my lack of intelligence here, but I do understand fully that taxpayer money is every taxpayer's business. So let's consider your lack of intelligence in misunderstanding what I said. Can you see the irony?
By the way, how did you like the quote? It really makes sense when we make the proper application, doesn't it?
Again, if there's evidence of fraud, let the suthorities handle it.
Well Well Well....aren't we all tax paying citizens. Some more than others, but how did you make your living??? That is the question. These people that you are degrading are the people that take care of the road you live on and make sure it is safe so that no innocent tax or non tax paying citzen gets killed on them. I personally believe they do the best they can considering what they have to work with(I'm talking about what little tax money you and your little coffle table gossiping friend pay every year) These people don't get overtime they make what they can in a 10 hour a day 4 day week....that is 40hours correct??? Many of them have to work on Fridays and Saturdays to make ends meet. Thats probably why they can't respond to some of you that have nothing better to do besides talk about what they aren't doing. After all they do work for every citizen not just you all!!! So who cares what there job title is? Who cares if they make $17.00 an hour...they aren't freaking millionaires they are just like you and are trying to feed their families and make an honest days pay. Chances are the ones that are making any spending money at the Department have spent half of there life working for the citizens of Giles County. Could you work for a crybaby like yourself? I think not!!! Don't worry I doubt that they would do anything for people like yourself. They would probably rather do something for the citizen that appreciates what their money is being used on! Get your facts right before you post again. You people are as pitiful as they come. Yes you have an opinion....but so do I. Do you see the glass half empty or half full? You think they really owe you something??? Of course they do why wouldn't they??? Afterall they have a job to do also...and so until you or having to drive through mudholes and putting it in four wheel drive just ask yourself if you can do anything for your county....what if you lived in Nashville or Memphis.... maybe you could get what you wanted??? Of course not!!! You are a crybaby little boo hoo about how your little tax dollars are going to waste so why don't you just move off where you are nothing but a statistic!!! You have it made here so just learn to appreciate it okay???
SHAME ON YOU FOR THINKING THAT IT IS OKAY FOR BARRY AND JULIE TO USE THE TAXPAYERS FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN!!!
THE BOO HOO HOO IS ON JULIE FOR NOT STEPPING UP AND GOING TO THE FINANCE OFFICE. SHE WAS AFRAID THAT HER GRAVY TRAIN WOULD PASS HER BY.
MIGHT BE SOMETHING FISHY GOING ON WITH THIS WHOLE THING..SPOUSES NEED TO BEWARE!!!
From what I hear...it wouldn't be the first time spouse should have beem aware!!!!
anonymous..
Please dry your eyes and try to think of as many positive things as you can. I know that's hard for someone of your superior intelligence and foresight, but at least try.
This ranting and raving is not good for your health.
You mentioned crybabies. Well, you guys wrote the book on that. Please wipe away your tears.
This is for the amateur that doesn't know what CAPS LOCK is... Once again you cannot read! Who is gaining from this??? No one...she has been doing it all her life, do you blame her for not wanting to leave? You are the one with the GRAVY TRAIN. You didn't answer the first question...what do you do for money honey??? Next question did you make your money in this county??? And what Julie does on her personal time is none of your business or mine...it is childish of you to mingle in what she does after 4:30 Monday to Thursday and all day on Fridays. And if there is any spouse that reads what these morons preach...I do not belive you have anything to worry about. How much tax are you contributing to the county anyways??? I think this county would go on without you in it. You just talk out of your butt on here. That is probably the only you can talk isn't it. I bet you're not man enough to go up to the Highway Department and run your little trap are you??? Why is that??? You afraid you might get told the truth??? Are we being a little hypocritical??? So easy to point fingers...so hard for them to be pointed at you! At least you did answer one question right! YOU SEE THE GLASS HALF EMPTY! Now I am going to turn my CAPS LOCK off. Thank You
Looks like I've stepped on some toes. I have no problem with what Julie does on ther own time...it's what she is doing on mine and all the other taxpayers.
What she has been doing all of her life (job wise)has now gone to the finance office..and if she wants to continue to do that job she needs to take her whiny princess butt there. It is not fair to me (born in Giles County and lived her all of my 42 years of life) as a taxpayer to afford her the luxury of creating a position for her on her wants and whims. I have a right to say how my tax dollars are spent.
AND FOR THE COMMENT "YOU SEE THE GLASS HALF EMPTY". Apparently Julie and Barry see their "RUNNING OVER" WITH TAXPAYERS MONEY. I WILL NOT SIT BACK AND WATCH BARRY WASTE TAXPAYERS MONEY AS HE HAS DONE WITH ALL OF HIS OTHER BUSINESS ADVENTURES WITHOUT VOICING IT TO THE CITIZENS.
LIKE IT OR NOT...BIG BROTHER WILL BE WATCHING. SPEND THE MONEY ON WASTEFUL VENTURES AND IT WILL BE TOLD. Mrs. Loretta will be keeping close watch on you Mr. Hyatt. Be ready to answer some question. You will probably be hearing from me alot in the future.
And as for me going to the Highway Department and facing off with the "BIG INTIMIDATOR"...I Do not have to go and listen to Barry talk to know that he is a liar. He has already proven that.
And for the spouse comment you made...Another old saying is "ONCE A CHEATER...ALWAYS A CHEATER". Again I Say "Spouses BeWare.
9:26:
You are so right because my husband was one of her "playmates".
Okay, this is way across the line.
Please stop with the personal attacks to Julie's personal life. There is absolutely no reason for it.
I understand if you have a problem with her not going to finance office Or if you do not agree with the way things are run at the highway department, but what she is doing or has done in her private life is none of your business and has no place on this blog.
Just Stop.
anonymous..
You must truly be a legend in your own mind. No, I don't think you have "stepped on any toes", but you have made some people furious. How dare you and your little band of ninnyhammers get on this blog and "suggest" that something is fishy between Mr. Hyatt and Julie! I have to say that your rhetoric has reached an all-time low. Do you ever wonder why people like Mr. Hyatt, Mr. Reedy, Mrs. Vanzant, Mr. Jackson, Mrs. Norman, and many others do not come here and try to offer rebuttal? Let me tell you why. It's because they have too much class and professionalism to play your dirty little game. Again, how dare you!
By the way, you folks are always whining about people not having the courage to sign their names after posts. Well, I would like to see you who are calling Mr. Hyatt a liar sign your name. In addition, those who are apparently trying to destroy his marriage and reputation by "suggesting" something fishy really ought to sign your names. Come on; be brave and sign your name. You should be so ashamed. I'm ashamed for the sake of the county.
Look where all this "exposing" has got us. Look what it's doing to us and to our county. Don't forget who started all this out of jealousy and resentment! What a rotten shame.
I just want to comment on the unkind things that have been said about Julie. Julie is a hard working woman, a devoted mother, and a proud wife along with being a Christian. Julie DID graduate college finishing with a FINANCE degree and also double majored in administration plus her 18 years at the county office I think she has an impressive resume'. To directly address the people that have found hummor with insult... what have you accomplished? If I am not mistaken... 8 years experiance equals a college degree so... heck she is was over qualified. I think we are pretty lucky to have her. As for Barry, I have also known him my entire life and he is about as honest a the good Lord makes emm. I am not ashamed and will not hide behind an anonymous blog...Iam Allyson Butler, daughter of Mike and Donna Butler, Graduate of Richland High along with Barry's daughters,Graduate of MTSU, niece to Julie and Kyle, Fiance of Tyler Wheeler and thats exactly WHO I AM!!!
Family should stick together....
I commend you for standing up for your aunt.
But if Julie has a degree in finance, and is so qualified...why would she want to lower herself to the postition of secretary/receptionist? If she is so educated in finance..why not go to the finance office and be the asset to the county that she could be? Why not show the respect to herself and to the people that she claims to have respect for (citizens of Giles County) and go and serve the county to the best of her abilities in the finance dept.
I just do not understand why Barry and Julie chose to be so underhanded in what they did to the citizens by hiring Jenny Meyers to fill in for Julie because she didn't want to move. What if all of the other county office bookkeepers did the same thing that Barry & Julie did...because the other bookkeepers didn't want to make the move? We would have a lot of new county employees sucking from the county taxapyers.
I am sorry for the personal attacks on Julie that someone is making. But Julie and Barry should not have put the taxpayer's in this kind of mismanagement of funds.
Julie's was the bookkeeper for the highway department when the voters voted to have financial management and she should have respected herself and the county taxpayer's enough to go to the finance department and do her job.
I do agree that her salary should be changed to show the demotion in job classification. I hope the county commissioners will red flag her salary on the highway budget and pay her what other secretaries/receptionist in the county make!!!
This is not meant to be a personal attack on Julie or Barry..I am only saying that the decision that they make was wrong and not very accountable to the people whose hard earned money pays their salary.
Very well said.
I too agree that Julie's alary should change. She and Barry should be accountable for their actions.
I will not vote or support Barry again. To say I am disappointed in him would be saying it mildly.
He should be more of an advocate for the citizens that elected and pay his salary, and less of a personal advocate for Julie and what she wants.
Commissioner's should really look into this situation and how it was handled. They can correct this situation, And I ask them to stand up for the people of the county.
WORKING CLASS,
IS THAT THE SAME KYLE (JULIE'S HUSBAND) THAT SHE LEFT HER 1ST HUSBAND FOR??
Allyson..
I am so proud of you for sticking up for Barry and Julie. I have known Barry for a long, long time and he is a fine and upstanding person. To my knowledge, he has always been that way. I do not know Julie, but I am sure she is NOT deserving of the smear campaign that's been launched against her. It's just a shame this little band complainers have nothing better to do. But think about it this way; thank God they are not in charge of things. That seems to be their goal. I can't help but wonder who they want to take Barry's place if they can run him off? Interesting, isn't it?
Again, I applaud you for standing up for Barry and Julie. I'd just like to see some of these accusers post their names. After all, they could then take credit for "exposing" things! Shameful, indeed!
Why is a person's private life any of your low-downed business? Why don't you post your name so people can dig up something on you?
You ought to be ashamed!
All this "exposing" is getting dangerous. isn't it?
She isn't doing anything with your little tax money... she is doing it with all of our money! What she is doing and what she has done is on the record books. Which in my eyes is a fine job. If she doesn't want to go do some job that the lady that was APPOINTED to do can't even do then she doesn't have to do it. She is probably the one that should have been THE FINANCE DIRECTOR!!! What do you think about that halfwit??? If they want to cut her little salary then they can...then you'll be happy??? Right? Of course not...because you are so self-centered that nothing can make you happy...maybe you ought to beware of your spouse friend...cause more than likely she is finding her thrill somewhere too...if what she has to deal with is you. Don't worry about me though cause if she ever lowered herself enough to have a relationship with you then I'm not interested. Please all birdbrains respond. And noones cup would run over in this county...give me a freaking break...If you lived here did you make your money here??? You tell me one job you could get rich on in this county??? Did you drive to Nashville to make your money??? Huntsville??? Where? I doubt that Barry Hyatt is trying to make YOU happy. He however is trying to make the majority happy. I have talked to Barry man to man... he is not a liar. He is a very honest man and takes his job seriously. We are lucky to have him. As for you...well we have to take the good with the bad. Huh??? Please GROW UP!!! Maybe you have LOST YOUR MIND....if so I am here to correct you! They always have patient numbers at the state hospital.
Dangerous..interesting choice of words!!!!
7:29
WAY TO TOOT YOUR OWN HORN, MRS. JULIE. AT LEAST YOU BELIEVE IN YOU.
YOU SHOULD HAVE SIGNED YOUR NAME TO IT.
NOW WE GET TO THE TRUTH...THE REASON YOU DIDN'T GO TO THE FINANCE OFFICE WAS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET APPOINTED DIRECTOR...TOO BAD YOU AREN'T EDUCATED ENOUGH TO HAVE APPLIED.
BE CAREFUL NOT TO FALL OFF YOUR PEDESTAL!!!
Re Read Mine 7:49....
Now you are calling Julie a lesbian. My GOD you can't even comprehend how did you ever learn to type. Oh I'm Sorry it took you 20 minutes to type 50 words WITH YOUR CAPS LOCK ON!!! Take a freaking class at VoTech! You probably couldn't even feel an application out.
For those of you who defend Julie so adamently.
How can you justify paying her the same salary for doing less whem 90 % of her responsibilities are now at the finance department?
I, too, would like to know what would have happened if none of the bookkeeper's from the various departments had wanted to move to the finance department..would you think that the county taxpayer's should shoulder the burden of funding new employees to replace them?
If so, can you please justify this for me??
anonymous 7:29
You go guy! Thanks for telling the complainer. These people are never happy. However, I suspect that they would laugh if someone they were crucifying lost his or her job and had their home foreclosed on as a result. And at least one of them seems bent on causing trouble in Mr. Hyatt's marriage. And that is unconscionable and low down mean!
Now, as for the individual who assumes I wanted to be director and am mad because I didn't get the appointment, I about cracked a rib laughing. And then reality struck me again, and I realized how vindictive these people can be. I have never held any office in city or county government. Oh, I've been asked to run a few times, but I always said NO because I knew this little "group" would be doing their best to dig up dirt on me if they didn't want me elected. So, in view of that, and knowing my temperament, I decided to stay out of it. So, wrong again! That's getting to be a pattern lately.
GOOD COME BACK JULIE...SOMEONE MIGHT BELEVE YOU!!!
TOOT! TOOT!
anonymous..
I just typed the above post and wanted to let you know that I am not Julie as you suspect. I hurriedly misread your post, thinking you were taking another shot at me. However, I am glad that I defended her.
Julie, these people act like they would ne happy if you lost your job and everything you own. Just consider the source and understand their agenda.
People
Name me one more person that has had to go already? If one goes that will leave an empty seat to fill. Is that right/wrong? Maybe I'm an idiot. I mean if you call the school does the secretery answer the phone at the finance office? That weird. It seems like someone would need to be at the school system to direct calls and someone at the highway department and someone at whatever department(s) are left to move to that office that we are having to pay for because 56 percent of this county cannot educate themselves. They have to be influenced by someone else. I can see where Edwin Lovell and everyone else is coming from. I mean they certainly aren't getting rich representing their districts are they? Once again am I right/wrong? Hmm...maybe they pay taxes also and just wanted thier voices heard just like anyone that reads this blog has to read your two cents. Only Difference they didn't mine signing their name to the end and you are to coward to do the same.
SURE YOU ARE NOT!!!
DECIDED YOU DIDN'T LIKE WHAT YOU POSTED IN YOUR NAME, PRINCESS.
anonymous..
What about these people who are making all kinds of accusations about Mr. Hyatt and Julie? They don't dare sign their names, because they know darned well that they could be held legally liable. Isn't it a bit hypocritical of you to suggest that others who sign anonymously are cowards? We both know it is, don't we?
T U R N Y O U R C A P S L O C K O F F S H R E K ! ! ! In case you can't read that it says: Turn your CAPS LOCK OFF Shrek!!!
Nah... you don't have to tell who you are here you have to have the balls to go there and make the accusations and if you don't know where there is look it up in your Pulaski phone book. Then we play Mister Legal. Okay?
anonymous..
Why are you so outrageously angry at Julie? Did she get a job you couldn't qualify for or what? For Heaven's sakes, why don't you calm it down?
Do you distrust everyone other than those who share your views? It seems that you do. I wrote back to let people like you know that I misread the ridiculous assertion you made and that I am not Julie. Then you ignorantly chime back with a smart remark. Ok, think what you want. That's what you people are best at anyhow. Whatever you consider truth is the ultimate, and those who don't go along with it are called names.
This is a public forum, and guess what it's not illegal. I CAN VOICE MY OPINIONS, JUST THE SAME AS YOU.
8:12 p.m.
You are wrong about spaces to be filled when bookkeepers transfer to the finance office. School department already has a secretary and a receptionist to answer the phone. Highway department has Kathy and probably Julie, Ambulance has supervisors and staff waiting around for call outs, which they have always handled. Bookkeeping questions are now answered in finance office. None of these positions need filling. Now lets see the commissioners get some backbone and not fund unnecessary positions. Surely they will since they have heard the voters loud and clear "We've had enough. Time for change"!
Another point, Julie Phillips is not qualified to fill the position of Finance Director, so let's drop that one.
Then again, $17.00 per hour is a d....d good rate for Giles county, when post people are in the $8 -$9 range (if they can possibly find a job in this repressed area), and thats most often without benefits. County employees as a whole are very much overpaid. Read the ads in the Nashville paper, jobs there doing the same work are much less than what Giles Co employees get.
anonymous..
What on earth gave you the idea that ANYONE said it was illegal to voice your opinion on this blog? You didn't honestly interpret what I said that way, did you? I SAID that you could be held legally liable for charges you make on this blog. That is, if you bravely sign your name to the accusations.
This blog is full of threats..words like dangerous and legally accountable.
I thought that was the purpose of this blog, to state your opinion. No I do not agree wtih all that is said.but I respect your right to say it.
I wish the personal attacts would stop on both sides...but they are it is not illegal to post on this blog..unfortunately.
8:39
You have absolutely no idea! Whoever gives you your info needs to do his/her homework. I mean for goodness sakes man Kathy Young drives road signs for a living and cleans up after however many men work out there. She has been seen cutting trees out of the middle of the road in the wee hours of the morning? When is the last time you pulled a limb out of the road??? You probably call 911. Do those people out there get paid to do that?? I may be wrong but I don't think they do! I bet if you really looked into it she doesn't even make $17 an hour. What do you make an hour? Answer that one. And if I am wrong about the spaces to be filled let time tell that one. Okay? Cause you have no idea neither do you? Really? I asked if I was right/wrong, for one reason because this system hasn't had time to tell anything. We'll all find out huh? I Just hope the truth will rise and you quit asking what your county can do for poor ole' pitiful you. Those Nashville Jobs are in Nashville not Giles County...so relate that area to this area. As for $8 to $9 an hour you are right. That isn't my fought nor yours...that is just how it is. Flip Burgers for $8 and hour or Work at Home Depot for $9 an hour or you can go to Frito Lay for $15. If you really want to know the truth go to the Court House and take a peek for yourself. In all honesty I believe jealousy has a lot to do with it.
anonymous...
Let me interpret those terms for you. They were not intended as threats but rather as words of caution to everyone who posts here.
What I meant by "dangerous" is that, with all the name-calling and accusations that seem lately to be escalating, someone could get hurt (certainly not by me) if the wrong person is called a name and then finds out who said it.
What I meant by "leagally liable" is precisely that. Let's say that John Doe signed his name to a post charging that Peter Pan is an adulterer and extortionist. John could find himself in court.
I agree with you that we all have a right to say what we want on this blog. However, what we say could become dangerous and/or legally troublesome as well. I hope that clears up what I meant.
Do any of the illustrious readers and writers on this blog think that the hypocrites who sponsored the petition for last weeks referendum will be on their knees in church this weekend asking forgiveness ?
Theo Logian
Where in the world does religion have anything to do with a petition? Don't worry about them just make sure you are there on Sunday.
9:07
TOOT! TOOT! HERE COMES KATHY'S HORN!!
SOUND LIKE JULIE AND KATHY ARE A ONE "MAN" SHOW!!
BARRY WOULD YOU PLEASE STEP DOWN AND LET THEM RUN THE SHOW.
THEY HAVE ALL YOU NEED BRAINS & BRUTE!
I BET IF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT IS REALLY GOING ON AT THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT COMES AT IT WILL BE "LEGALLY TROUBLESOME" FOR SOME ONE ELSE.
Why should they be on there knees at church? (STUPID)
Everyone keeps complaining about the salaries of these people. Has anyone checked to see what the going salary is for people in adjoining counties for these same jobs. You can't compare jobs at Home Depot or such. You need to compare apples to apples and see how they stand up. I think you'll see the jobs here are lower paid, though I really don't know but everthing else is.
Noone was comparing a county job to a Home Depot job. What was said was: "when post people are in the $8 -$9 range (if they can possibly find a job in this repressed area)"....and I said that is correct. Flipping burgers and working at Home Depot was just an example of those 8 and 9 dollar and hour jobs not a county job. I would tend to agree with you 5:58a.m that surrounding counties have higher paying jobs. I personally know they keep there equipment up to date and their garage area looking nice in Lawrance and Maury counties. Giles County equipment was scrap until Barry got in office. I mean this is stuff that has do be done every know and then. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Always remember that! We should all try to work together, but that will never happen because there will always be someone unhappy with something.
HEY LOOK I GOT MY CAPS LOCK ON KNOW I CAN WRITE LITTLE WORDS LIKE TOOT TOOT AND HORN AND BE LIKE THAT OTHER GUY WITH HIS ON WOOO HOOO. MOMMA COME LOOK WHAT I CAN DO! HOW DO I TURN IT OFF NOW?
Theo...
Why should one be on his/her knees praying for forgiveness for having his own view of something? I would rather hope that those who are calling people liars and crooks would be in church.
TALKING ABOUT NARROW MINDED...
HAVE YOU NOT FIGURED OUT THAT THE REASON I KEEP MY CAPS ON IS BECAUSE IT BUGGS THE HELL OUT OF YOU.
tALKING ABOUT SOMEONE WHO MIGHT GO BALLISTIC OVER THE LITTLE THINGS.
PEOPLE NEED TO WATCH YOU...HOPE THEY GET YOUR ORDER RIGHT AT MCDONALD'S.
First of all let me tell you that I am not a disgruntled highway department employee. For the most part I like my job and Barry is a very good boss.
However, alot of the things that are being need to be addressed by someone who sees what is happening.
I have been at the hwy. dept. with both Pete and Barry.
Yes alot more work as far as taking care of the roads was done under Pete. Since Barry has taken over, there is no road program that is being followed. Too much money is being spent on things that are not needed to maintain the roads. I understand that good equipment is needed but we were doing three time the work with the equipment we had under Pete. Don't get me wrong I like riding around in good trucks..but is it necessary for me to get my work done..I don't think so.
Another issue is who would have taken Julies place if she went to the finance office. I can say that most of the time there is at least 2 of the 3 (Barry, Julie, & Steve) in the front office at all times. If Barry does go out on the road..Steve is usually in the truck with him. In my opinion (which granted doesn't mean much) Steve could do what Julie will be doing without her bookkeeping duties. And as far as what was wrote about Kathy and what she does..that was comical. She sits in the shop with her feet propped up waiting to go tattle on everyone else. She could easily fill in at the front office. (now as you can tell I am not a Kathy Young admirer). That is a wasted job at the highway department.
Barry is a good guy...and I believe he would be a better road supertendent if he would go with his own judgements and not listen to some of the people around him.
And for the record...I did feel intimidated to sign the petition that was brought to us to get rid of the finanace office.
For obvious reason I will not sign my name...ther would be hell to pay for me if I did.
hwy. employee..
I can appreciate your reluctance to not sign the petition. That's just good common sense. However, the rest of us choose not to sign our names as well. The most obvious reason is that the malcontents would do their best to dig up some dirt on us if our posts were not in agreement with their views. How's that for the democratic way?
Don't worry everybody knows who you are!
Listen 9:24a.m
You don't bugg me with your CAPS LOCK on. You just show that you cannot type on a keyboard. It doesn't take that long to learn. That is all I am saying! And if you can't figure it out get you a job at McDonalds and pay for you a class at VoTech. Then you will be able to type more then 30 words with or without your CAPS LOCK on. And for good reason I'll never get mad at you when I order a BigMac. I know deep down you are doing the best you can do.
10:29
YOUR PAST BLOGS PROVE THAT I DO BUGG YOU WITH MY CAPS ON. THEY ALSO SHOW THAT YOU ARE ERATIC IN YOUR BEHAVIOR. YOUR INTOLERANCE FOR SOMETHING SO UNIMPORTANT AS THE CAPITALIZATION OF A LETTER, PROVES YOU HAVE MANIC CHARACTERISTICS.
IT MIGHT BENEFIT ME TO GO TO VO TECH BUT IT IS APPARENT TO AND ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS SEEN YOUR ANGER ON THIS BLOG THAT YOU NEED TO POSSIBLY GO TO CENTRAL STATE AND BE EVALUATED AND PUT ON MEDICATION.
GET HELP BEFORE YOU CROSSOVER....
I just think it is funny that is all. I am not angry at you... it doesn't piss me off that you use CAPS LOCK. I just think that it is hillarious that you can't type your little 50 words like the rest of us. It really makes you look like the child you are.
Why make such a big deal about capital letters or how many words a minute someone can type? It is the message that counts. Complaining about little things like this looks childish.
THANKS 10:22:
THE CAPS IS REALLY A PROBLEM FOR THE BLOGGER. (AND BY THE WAY I CAN TYPE 45 WPM). I CHOOSE TO TYPE IN CAPS...BECAUSE IT IRRITATES YOU.
WHY AM I THE ONE WHO IS CHILDISH WHEN YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS THROWING SUCH A TEMPER TANTRUM BECAUSE YOU CANNOT CONTROL ME ENOUGH TO GET ME TO TURN OFF THE CAPS. I WONDER IF YOU WOULD REALLY GO SCHIZO IF I PUT THE FONT ON BOLD.
TAKE A CHILL PILL..
I AGREE...LET'S TALK ISSUES OR IS THIS ALL YOUR MIND CAN COMPREHEND DURING YOUR DELLUSIONAL STATE. IF SO I WILL CONTINUE TO HELP YOU WITH THE CROSSOVER...MAYBE THE MENTAL HOSPITAL HAS TURNED YOU DOWN UNTIL YOU ARE FULLY MANIC. I HEAR IT'S HARD TO GET YOURELF COMMITTED.
Well I think its time we let the financial management team do all THE TOOTING!! Did anyone ever consider that maybe its a little scary to leave a job that you have worked and trained for 18 years at? And yes, she is a big girl and will do a fine job wherever she is sent. One request for the people whom love to build conversation and thought on what has happened/ not happened in the past- Call anyone and ask has JULIE one time ever refused to do anything that was asked of her. You people are complete animals.... No I am sorry worse than animals.. animals atleast kill the prey before they tear them apart...Where is the humanity? I am very ashamed of my fellow county members for the FIRST time in my life.... FOR the record JULIE was divorced before Kyle...as her niece I believe I was around back then.... Allyson Butler " Freedom of speech comes from a voice which come from a person, speech with out a name or belonging is not a voice but vommit of the mouth"
Allyson, you and I both know that is a lie. Julie was not divorced when she and Kyle got together. She hurt her x husband tremendously with what she did to him. This a was a subject that did not need to be brought back up...I feel bad for Julie that you felt the need to call someone a liar and I had to defend them. Anyone that knows about this situation knows that this is a lie that you are speaking. And anyone that knows also knows all of the truth...which I do not intend to bring forth to further humiliate your aunt.
And Allyson you are wrong in the fact that Julie has never refused to do anything that was asked of her. The County taxpayers and voters who pay your aunts salary voted for the 81 act which stated that the bookkeeper from the higway department would move to the finance office...she refused to go and persuaded Barry to hire Jenny to take her place.
I'm sure it is scary to leave a job that you have been doing for 18years..however...people are forced to do it everyday..with lay offs or companys moving to another location. And basically Allyson that is what happened in this situation...the job that your aunt Julie was doing moved locations and she should have had two choices at that point: move with the job or find a new job outside of the county taxpayers funding.
And at this time this salary should be removed from Barry Hyatt's highway budget and then it is up to him and Mrs. Loretta if Julie or Jenny is the bookkeeper for the county and which one that does not move to the finance office should go home or be paid the wages that most secretaries/receptionist make in the county $11.00 an hour.
I have no problem with Julie staying at the highway department as a secretary but she should not be paid a bookkeeper's salary. What does the other office personnel in the other county office's make that do not have bookkeeper's responsibilities? I'm sure it is not the $45,000 that Julie makes. Surely you would agree if Julie wasn't your family.
Please keep in mind that Julie's demotion to secretary/receptionist was her decision and was not mandated. Changes in job descriptions happen daily in the business world, but along with these changes come changes in responsibilities and SALARY.
Blogger 4:58:
This is so true. Look at the employees of Intermet. Some were offered jobs at other locations and they had to make a choice between going or being unemployed.
Julie should have had the same options. Her job with the big salary moved to the courthouse. Although I bet Jenny does not make anything close to what Julie make.
Please commissioner stand up for us and do not fund this line item in Barry Hyatt's highway budget!!!
The question needs to be asked of Barry if he intends to hange Julie's salary since her job classification and responsibilities have changes. Maybe he intends to do the hanorable thing and change her salary...NOT!!!
Okay I am done here. You people are tottally know it alls. You refuse to listen to facts. One last thing CAPS LOCK if you really think I need to go to the mental hospital then keep on thinking that. You know alot about it...have you already been once? You are not bugging me. I just thought you could do better. Sorry I was wrong. You just keep up with the personal attacks if that is what makes you happy. If you get some sick satisfaction out of doing that then you have done your job, but as far as this blog goes it is totally useless. There is nothing to be learned from any of this. Why is that you might ask? Well the answer to that is...it is full of halfwits like yourself. KEEP UP THE WORK BROTHER!!! I'm sure Giles Countians are proud to call you a fellow citizen. You should run for Road Superintendent this year...I bet you qualify don't you?
Dont believe it would be anything to do with B Hyatt which one of the two women Ms Garner has working in her office. Its entirely the decision of the Finance Director, and if I were she, I would take Ms Myers. Why would anyone want an assistant who you know up front was a relucant employee and probably not be loyal to her new supervisor.
anonymous 4:58
No, you are wrong for talking about the personal lives of others in a puvlic forum...or anywhere else for that matter. It's simply none of your business. How would you like it if someone were on here smearing your family's reputation? I don't think you would appreciate it one bit. While I want to believe you were defending what you thought was the right thing to do, I hope that, on second thought, you realize how very dangerous these things can become. People get sued and even shot dead for talking stuff like that. Regardless of your intentions, these are family matters that don't need to be brought up.
I do not believe that I have made any personal attacks. I simply said that the guy with the CAPS LOCK on could keep it up if that is what made him happy. You name me one time that I have made a personal attack on anyone on here or anywhere else. I personnaly would do that face to face if I had a problem with somebody. I posted what I believed was right. They have their minds made up and niether me nor you or anyone else for that matter can change their mind. My money is being put to good use(that is my opinion). That is my point. I hate that some people feel like they are getting screwed, but there are people that enjoy living here and are happy with how things are being run and some or not. I'm sorry if I have offended anyone, but that is not my intention. My intention was to try and stop the personal attacks because it is not any of or business what anybody does on their time. I bet the same people that are complaining about the Highway department now have always complained. That is how it is always going to be. Am I right?
6:55 I agree completely. Personal lives should not be discussed about anyone on here. I don't know Julie, never met her but what has happened outside of her job is no one's business.
This is a quote of the header on top of this page:
"The purpose of the "Giles Free Speech Zone" is to identify problems of concern to the people of Giles County, to discuss them in a gentlemanly and civil manner, while referring to the facts and giving evidence to back up whatever claims are made, making logical arguments that avoid any use of fallacy, and, hopefully, to come together in agreement, and find a positive solution to the problem at hand. Help make a difference! "
Does anyone see that happening in the near future?
Julie's niece is the one that brought Julie's and Kyle's personal life back up...at that point I felt that the truth was needed. If I was wrong I apologize. Remember there was others that were involved, and sometimes we have the right to respond/
Remember people no matter how flat the pancake...there is always two sides. People why can we not be adults and postive? We have voted- some won and some lost. Fact we all agree on!!! I am ready to see progress...Guys remember who you are and where you are from... I really dont beleive that the people I see at Walmart or football game or any where else in Pulaski is really this crul to others... Stand up for the greater good and who we actually are... Yes I care about tax dollars and salary and budget but a persons character is in top consideration to... Lets brainstorm ideas and pull together as a community that we all are proud of...The Financial Act is in place so be it..lets move on to another topic!!! Allyson Butler
I agree with you Allyson that everyone needs to do what is right and move on. And I am sorry if you do not agree, but part of what is right is Julie's salary should reflect her new job description.
To me at this point to make the necessary change in Julie's salary would show hers and Barry's good character toward the taxpayers of Giles County.
I know she is your family..and I am sure you do not agree. But how would you feel if she wasn't family?
I agree in whats right- the vote has passed as of last Tuesday- I have spoken with her in the last couple of days..she is in complete compliance with what her superiors tell her to do- I am really upset with these false acuations that discredit her and my family... We are good people- I think its time for the people who know us and know the truth to stand up and have a voice for the greater good of our community and its people. I understand what you are saying but she doesnt sign her own paycheck- give her a break on the personal slander is all that I ask... Allyson Butler
I would like to start off by saying that I have no opinion about the financial act of 1981 nor what is or isn't happening at the highway department because:
I no longer live in Giles County, I no longer work in Giles County, I do not own property in Giles County, and the engineering company that I work for does not do business in Giles County. So consequently, I am not a taxpayer to the county, and do not feel that I have any right to speak for or against the politics of the county.
But I do have an opinion when it comes to Julie Phillips. I worked with Julie for 15 years at the Giles County Highway Department. I can tell you that she has always taken great pride in her dedication to the highway department and the citizens of Giles County.
Previous to me leaving the department as the bookkeeper (at which time Julie moved into the position) she was always busy working for the county in various projects concerning the the road department.
She worked hard to implement one of the best litter grant programs through the Tennessee Beautifcation Department for Giles County. Her leadership and guidelines have been followed by many other counties across the state. This is something that you should all be proud of because it reflects well for your county.
Another part of Julie's job was to research and apply for highway grants from the state and federal governement. She also has worked very close with FEMA and TEMA when there has been any sort of natural disaster in the county and money was needed for the repairs. And what many people are not aware of is that the paperwork for these projects are very tedious and that every "t" has to be crossed and every "i" dotted or these funds can be held up for years. Julie knows how to move this information to the correct departments to expedite this money to the county.
These are only a few of the extra things that will still be left to do at the highway department. Basically, I guess what I am trying to say is that Julie's position at the highway department has many faces and just because the direct accounting has been taken to the finance office does not mean there will not be plenty of work for her to do. All of the documentaion for inventory, road list, employee insurance, employee hours, employee benefits, etc. will still have to be generated from Julie's office. And yes, it could be done by someone else, but that is a decision that Barry Hyatt will be making. You elected him to make those decisions and The Tennessee County Uniform Road Laws gives him the authority make those decisions.
Julie is very knowledgeable as far as the ways county government operates. And I feel that whether she graduated with a degree in accounting or not, she understands what is going on and is a great asset to Barry. And if she chose to go, she would be a great asset to Loretta Garner in the finance office. She is a professional and will work for the betterment of the county in which she lives.
And lastly, I would like to say that I have not talked personally to Julie or Barry concerning my feelings about what has been happening on this blog or in the county political ring. These are strictly my feelings from the facts that I know from working with Julie.
I am sure that there will be someone who will take a negative take on what I have wrote here..but I again I do not have political ties in Giles County any longer, But I do have family and friends and I still love Giles County and would like to see this bickering end. It is a bad reflection on the county and the wonderful people who live there.
And as Allyson has stated "Julie is a fantastic mother, wife, daughter and friend." And even though we are not as close as we once were, I can tell you that there is no truer statement made.
That being said, I wish the best for Loretta Garner at the finance office (I do not know her personally,but have heard good things about her), the best to the county commisioners who have to make some hard decisions at times and sometimes they are not always the most popular decisions, as well and especially to Barry, Julie and the highway department employees.
To Kathy Johns:
At last someone has something positive to say about someone else....
Document the day!!!
Hold on cause the negatives will be after you.
People, do you not know where all this bickering and finger-pointing started? Can we say wab?
I have lived here all my life and have NEVER seen people so mean-spirited and "at each others' throats". It is utterly shameful that we have allowed a little group of know-it-alls to cause all this trouble.
To anonymous of the 11 Feb 1:12 post.
Congratulations on being the first to break the new chain of positive posts.
Not once have I spoken or written anything of a personal nature about Mrs. Philips or Mr. Hyatt. Truth is I thought they were both doing a better than average job at the Highway department, that's why I haven't seen a great need to attend any of their committee meetings. I have spoken briefly with them at other meetings and received nothing but cordial greetings.
I was very disappointed in the way they have reacted to implementation of the Financial Management Act of 1981 but believe that was a result of misinformation primarily from a group totally opposed to the school system coming under financial accountability. The Act never singled out the highway department and state audits for the most part have reflected few problems there.
Those are the simple facts of the matter but by all means anonymous don’t let facts stand in the way of your prejudiced, poisoned mind declaring me as the root of all evil. It’s not just your irrelevance that is showing your ignorance is beginning to overshadow it. Allen Barrett
wab..
There you go again ranting about someone's prejudiced, poisoned mind. Your irrelevance and ignorance are showing. Those are your words. Does that sound like a man of God who should be willing to wash a few "irrelevant" feet? Oh, but that requires humility, and you were on vacation the day they were giving that out.
What makes you think, your excellency, that the highway department's getting a good or bad mark is based upon your assessment of the job they are doing? Ridiculous.
To Kathy Jones
While I appreciate your post I need to inform you that the duties you outlined as still being handled in the Highway Dept office WILL transfer to Mrs. Garner's office under the law, including the writing of grants. Thank you.
There you go...so much for Julie's justification for staying at the highway department. Maybe she can clean the women's toilet since Kathy Young is already at the mens!!!
What will Julie's duties be beside answering the phone and cleaning toilets?????
Maybe she can help some of the other employees with the ass kissing!!!!
$45,000 to clean toilets. Pretty good money. Swish! Swish!
Blogger 7:05,
What are the duties that will be left at the highway department for Julie to do? Apparently you might be one of the only people that has read it!!!
I do not really know Julie, but I do have a problem with her salary.
I agree that the commission should not fund the line item for the salary for another bookkeeper at the highway department. As it has been said before..Julie is a victim of her own demise. She should be paid the same salary as Angela Jenigan makes in Janet Vanzant's office as secretary.
No one has answered what would have happened if all the other bookkeepers from the other dept. had refused to make the moveZ? I do not understand why Julie felt she was so superior above the rest. Julie should go home for the embarassment she has caused to Barry and his department. Barry is a good guy who is a victim of being too personally involved in his friendhip with Julie and Kyle. His loyalty was misplace...it should have been with the citizens who elected him.
To anonymous of the 11 Feb 6:20 post.
If you would simply take the time to read what I write instead of reacting to what you think I said you probably wouldn’t be so confused and angry. I never implied that the Hwy Dept had done or not done anything based on what I thought. I only stated that I had no problem with the Hwy. Dept. and had not attended any of the committee meetings there. Perhaps in the future if you could get someone to explain words to you before you whine you would not sound so foolish. Allen Barrett
To Allen Barrett.
You cannot reason with these people. This blog is tottaly sidetracked and personal. It is ashamed that the blog admin lets this go on. Nothing that has been said here is anywhere close to the guidelines. I am just about tired of trying to reach an agreement. It is no use in it.
anonymous 8:55
You know someone offered wab a compromise. If he would stop the way he talks to people, he wouldn't leave himself open to ridicule. But, he ignored the request and continues. For example, he said "get someone to explain words to you whine you would not sound so foolish.
That's more of the same, isn't it?
I agree totally that things have gotten off topic, but mistreating those who have different views is no way to end the strife. However, I think I may as well stop. There's always the condescending rebuttal.
There you go again dumbo, You said wab wrote "For example, he said "get someone to explain words to you whine you would not sound so foolish."
That is a perfect example of what he was trying to tell you. What you said he said makes no sense at all.
What he actually said was "Perhaps in the future if you could get someone to explain words to you before you whine you would not sound so foolish."
May be you can find a 5th grader to explain the difference to you.
anonymous..
Uh...I believe if you will check your hero's post you will find that I quoted him verbatim. His syntax made absolutely no sense to me, but that IS what he said. Go back and read it. Furthermore, I understood perfectly his sarcastic statement.
I'll overlook your ridiculous remark about the fifth grader.
831 - 951 a true satanic disciple. You have great reverence for the Word and know the way. You elected yourself keeper of the truth, and all must pass through you to seek truth. You just don't like the messenger. No one should speak the truth without your approval. In fact, you don't like any messenger, especially those who will fight for the cause of truth.
You are a true piece of dung.
anonymous..
Uh..I believe you are describing wab, aren't you? How laughable of you to imply that I don't like the messenger. That is a lie! I despise arrogance and self-righteous pride in anyone, but my Bible teaches me to not hate the messenger. And, would you believe it, mine is a King James Version and not a satanic bible?
Hey dumbo, guess what? You just proved all over again that either you don't know how to read, don't comprehend what you read or just lied about what you posted at 9:51. It's not hard to go back to wab's post and see exactly what he wrote and it is not "verbatim" what you claim. What I wrote was cut and pasted so there could be no mistake. What you did was put your own perverted spin on it then claim it was his statement "verbatim". Unless the meaning of "syntax" has been changed it is your sentence that is totally disorganized and
not understandable. Get a 5th grader to read what he said and explain it to you. Your problem is that not only are you wrong but you are so full of yourself that you can't even accept what is plainly written right before your warped eyes. Must be the continual whine that blurs your vision but what is it that fogs your mind?
Monday 7:31:
I am one of the bookkeepers whose position is now at the finance office, I have worked in the county department that I a coming from for a number of years. Yes it is a scary situation, changing bosses, moving from a place I am comfortable with, and not really knowing what all will be expected of me from Mrs. Garner. However, I have a lot of time vested in the county, and I had no options but to make the move and hope for the best. I believe Mrs. Garner will be fair and supportive to her position and her employees.
But, I do resent the fact that Julie did not have to make the move as the 81 act states. It is not fair to the rest of us that are having to change our lives because we have been told to do so by our old bosses and by the citizens of Giles County twice because the taxpayers spoke on this issue.
Barry is wrong for not doing what the citizens of Giles County wanted to happen. He HAS let his personal relationship with Julie stop him from doing what he should have done.
Julie should go home or at the very least the commission should stand up for citizens and not fund her salary at its present rate.
Commissioners, please take a stand on this issue..show all of us bookkeepers and the citizens know that you respect us enough to do what is right.
Julie, I am very ashamed of what you and Barry have done. It is a slap in the face to the rest of us who have done what is right..not what was personally selffish.
It has been asked what Julie's duties will be at the highway dept, I would like to know this myself!!
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080212/NEWS01/802120365
This article is of a couple suing for defamation on a blog in Nashville.
By the way...I nor some of the rest of the bookkeepers that are making the move make the $45,000 that Julie makes. And before you say she has more time vested in the county than the rest of us ...that is not true.
I cannot understand how Barry thought he could justify this, I do not believe he thought it would come out. But it has..again I say...Commissioners do not let this go without taking action against it.
County Government is not about taking care of the personal wants of the employees..it is about taking care of the citizens who pay through taxdollars to run the departments of county government.
STAND UP COMMISSIONERS, YOUR DISTRICT ARE WATCHING WHAT YOU DO IN THIS INSTANCE!!! MAYBE BARRY WILL NOT COME AFTER YOU LIKE HE DID MAURICE WOODARD!!! HA! Just a little humor!!!
To anonymous of the 12 Feb. 8:31 post.
At 8am Monday I posted a statement containing this sentence, “Perhaps in the future if you could get someone to explain words to you before you whine you would not sound so foolish.” This was in response to yet another of your postings wrongfully accusing me of something that either you misread, didn’t understand or just felt it unnecessary to quote accurately. You changed that sentence to "get someone to explain words to you whine you would not sound so foolish” in your 8:31am post.
At 9:22 am this error was pointed out to you by an anonymous poster and your response was not to correct the quote but instead to state “Uh...I believe if you will check your hero's post you will find that I quoted him verbatim. His syntax made absolutely no sense to me, but that IS what he said. Go back and read it.” It’s obvious that you did not go back and read my statement instead; once again, you try to make a new reality out of your simple thoughts. Just because you happen to think a thing, does not make it true or real. The thing that can not be questioned after reading both statements is that you did not quote me verbatim and your sentence was far more disorganized than was mine. I have no problem with the way others spell or how they organize their thoughts but when you complain and criticize me for my syntax and yours is much worse then… DUH. So, as was stated by anonymous2 “May be you can find a 5th grader to explain the difference to you”. Clearly a 5th grader would be better able to understand the syntax of my statement than yours and everyone can clearly see which of us is wrong? I challenge you to take some responsibility for a change and admit that your blind hatred and arrogant demeanor simply got the best of you. Allen Barrett
Casio,
I read the article in the Tennessean. That is something very different that what is being said on this site. That is accusing someone of setting fires which is illegal. As has been said previously no one is saying that the lies or actions of the commissioners, Barry Hyatt, or T. Jackson is illegal just unethical.
And besides that I, nor you, for that matter has a blog address on google..so how exactly can my personal computer be traced for something so insignificant as this blog.
I hope lawyers and the federal government have more important things to do than get involved in Giles County bickering. This country is involved in a war and under constant fear of terrorism. I think that might trump all of this!! Ya think.
And as far as the personal slander..is it slander if it is the truth or is it just gossip. Who of us have not been involved in alittle gossip here and there.
I do not agree with all of the name calling and slanderous remarks but is that not one of the constitutional rights that our country is based on.
I don't think that the people who the personal attacks have been made about will bring a lawsuit...they would have to prove what has been said are lies and they can't.
Hey dumbo everybody is waiting to see your answer to wab. Looks like he nailed you good. The only question now is will you admit you was wrong or like usual avoid the whole thing by talking about something else. One thing he said "take some responsibility for a change and admit that your blind hatred and arrogant demeanor simply got the best of you." Something sure nuff got the best of you cause what's left ain't much.
Casio,
Lawsuits are filed everyday..winning them is the challenge. I don't think anything I have read on the blog constitutes any damages. No one is being stalked to my knowledge. Yes some of the stuff that has been said by both sides has been tacky and not needed. But liable to the point of a lawsuit...No I don't think so.
I certainly wouldn't take the case: it is unwinnable.
One more thing...if a lawyer takes this case..be ready cause he will be taking you on a magic carpet ride!! Get ready to cash out at the bank!
wab
If you could get someone to explain words to you before you whine you would not sound so foolish. Those ARE your words, verbatim. I made an error in quoting that back to you, so that makes me a dumbo, as your buddy keeps calling me? Hardly so. Verbatim or not, your excellency, the sarcasm is clear and so is the message. This is, as you well know, my problem with you and others who think themselves so smart that anyone who questions them is considered some sort of hick.
As for your challenging me, I would AGAIN challenge you to reveal to us (inquiring minds want to know) exactly what you have done for the betterment of Giles County? Wouldn't that be a much better read than your continual sarcastic and condescending way of talking to those you deem irrelevant and lacking in knowledge? I'm sorry, but your arrogance knows no bounds!
Civil Lawyer,
I read the article in the Tennessean. You are so right. The article even states that the lawsuit that has been files is not going to be won by the people filing the suit. Waste of time.
Excuse my ignorance but what does syntax mean? I thought you spoke in plain language that everyone could understand. I don't believe I have ever had a conversation with anyone where that word was used.
Addressed to Allen B.
The best thing you ever done for Giles County in my mind is take a stand for what you believe in! The next best thing is you put that ignorant blogger in his place. I haven't ever met you Allen and know some that like you and some that don't but you do have balls. You aren't crazy for that. I will tell you that much. However if you read both of these blogs...you know we are going to both keep re-posting if we aren't gonna let this moron get the best of us.
To anonymous of the 12 Feb. 5:54 post.
I’m glad you finally actually read what I wrote instead of what you thought I wrote. Making a mistake doesn’t make you a “dumbo” we all make mistakes. What makes you look so foolish is that you misunderstand something then attack me because of your misunderstanding. This is a point I have tried to get across to you before, just because you think a thing does not make it so. You are as wrong about me as you were about what I wrote but just like with what I wrote you let your anger and dislike for me prevent you from seeing the truth. You criticize me for my supposed sarcasm but fail to see your own. I have never tried to tell you what to do, how to think or control you in any way. I have simply written the facts as I saw them and let folks make up their own mind. If you have some feelings about being a heck perhaps it’s more a personal problem with insecurity than what others are doing.
I have never claimed any great accomplishments, that is better left for others to determine, if I have made a difference in the life of someone I consider that a success. What I have stated as a difference between you and me is that at least I have tried while you have apparently done little other than sit and complain about me and anyone else who might attempt to do anything constructive, and that is what makes you irrelevant.
To anonymous of the 6:04 post. Syntax in simple terms is the arrangement of words used in a sentence to form a complete thought. When I used the word in an earlier post it was in response to an anonymous poster who criticized me with this statement, “His syntax made absolutely no sense to me, but that IS what he said.” Anonymous had misread what I had written, but felt it necessary to criticize unjustly.
To anonymous of the 6:39 post. Thanks for your encouragement. You are right about continuing to post. Allen Barrett
anonymous..
I'm not the only "moron" who differs with your hero's tactics. But I don't mind taking the blame.
wab..
I have never challenged your "findings" now have I? My problem with you is the way you talk down to people and consider what they have to say as rubbish if it isn't in agreement with you. That is narrow-minded (describing behavior). I've told you this on numerous occasions, but you refuse to take a critical look at what you are doing.
And you want to split hair about syntax.
You were the person who 1st brought up the matter of syntax now you accuse wab of splitting hairs about it. You were the one who totally misread his statement then in a very hateful way accused him of being wrong and making no sense now you accuse him of talking down to people.
You show an incredible narrow-mindedness then accuse wab of being narrow-minded. You refuse to at yourself and your behavior yet accuse wab of not taking a look at his behavior. You are either the most hypocritical jerk in town or just plain stupid.
I am a new blooger and getting on a soap box is not something I normally do but I have to say that it seems to me from what Ive read that Mr. Barrett is stating facts and is just letting the general public know about things that are going on in this county that might not otherwise be known. Everyone knows that there are some things that hit the local papers and the radio news and others dont. I'm NOT placing blame on the radio stations or the newspaper staff or owners. Im just saying that some things are reported and others arent. Prime example....the cyanide poisioning. That was never on the news until it hit this blog and was never in the paper. How Mr. Barrett knew or found out, I could care less. The point is 99% of the time he knows what he's talking about and the other 1%, if he is wrong, he rectifies it and apologizes. What is the world is wrong with that???? Give the guy a break. I believe he is truly doing what he thinks is right and he is a man of his convistions. Shouldnt we all do a little more of that instead of just sitting back and taking whatever is handed to us? I believe if this blog had not been here alot of people would have gone into the Financial Managment Act vote again not knowing what they were voting on. I know I would have been one of them...in case you're wondering...I voted FOR it.
Next step of my soap box....Julie Phillips should have to go home. The finance dept employee has a VERY valid point. It is hard to change location and supervisers but if its your job....you do what you have to do. There are alot of people out in this world who are losing their jobs(Intermet for example) or dont have jobs at all.I am very appauld that she makes $45,000. I and alot of other people will be MORE than appauld if her salary is funded by our commisioners. VOTE HER OUT COMMISIONERS!!!!Show us that you are supporting us!!! I can not believe Barry Hyatt made such a STUPID decision. Im sorry but there is not other word except for stupid to explain his actions. To let his personal friendship to Julie and Kyle make his choice for him was STUPID. I cant believe he would think it would just slide under the rug. S-T-U-P-I-D!!!!
From the top step of my soap box!!!
COMMISIONERS--DO NOT APPROVE HER SALARY-JENNY MYERS HAS FILLED THE POSITION-KEEP HER-SEND JULIE HOME AND FOR THE LOYAL EMPLOYEES WHO DID MOVE, PLEASE DONT SLAP THEM IN THE FACE ANY MORE!!!THEY MOVED LIKE THEY WERE ASKED!!!
(For the record-I DO NOT work for the county)
813 - We ARE FINALLY GETTING SOMEWHERE!!! "I'm not the only moron ..." must mean that you finally read one of your posts! You may be at the top of the list, but Mr. Wheel Tax is running a close second!
Feb 13, 9:31 am
Thank you for your post which I agree with for the most part. However, in fairness and appreciation to the local newspaper editor, he could not have given more support and space in support of the financial management re-vote issue. Seems he made a point of trying to communicate with everyone what financial management is all about so folks would know before they hit the polls. We should also thank commissioners Connie Howell, Wendell Wilburn and Robert Lee for their explanations that were in the paper. If anyone dont read the paper you can read a bunch of stuff on Giles News as well.
anonymous 9:23
I can see now that there is absolutely no use in bantering back and forth with you. You are ALWAYS right, and I am a moron or stupid because I disagree.
Don't you have anything else to do with your time? Don't you get tired of being angry and frustrated with people like me who are not on the same intellectual plane as you?
You are going to get ulcers if you don't calm down. EVERYONE is not a crook or a liar!
To 2/13/2008 10:01 am from 2/13/2008 9:31am
I agree with you about Scott, the editor of our papers, Connie Howell, Wendell Wilburn and Judge Lee for helping the public to understand the financial act. I say thank you to all of them. Please understand, I truly didnt mean to imply that the paper wasnt doing their part in reporting both sides of the financial act in any way. That wasnt my intent at all. I think they were excellent in reporting both sides. Please accept my apologies. I just meant sometimes things arent reported to the paper, the radio or Giles News and if they arent reported to them by no fault of any of the staffs, it isnt mentioned. I think all three news information outlets do a great job. I read deeply several times the pros and cons and all the articles for and against the financial act that I could find just so I could understand it clearly. What I meant by getting information from this blog is, I didnt know about the decision Barry Hyatt made about not sending Julie to the new office until I read it here. The choice he made was not the only reason I voted for it but it did help me make my final choice. Reason being....if a whole new salary was granted by Barry on his own..without having to be approved..it made me wonder what else could be done without being approved. Not just by him...but by all the department heads. I think the major problem
(I may be wrong,its my opinion and the school system is a big concern of mine), we had even before the act was voted in the first time is from the school superintindent. My opinion on that is, we, as citizens should be able to vote them in or out like we used to. Has anyone been to the new central office lately? Its TOO much!!! Our teachers deserved that money. They teach our children for goodness sake. Our children are the future of this county and country.
Again, please accept my sincere apologies to anyone I may have offended. I didnt in any way mean to sound like I was critizing our papers, radio or internet information source. They report what they know about very well.
AGAIN, COMMISIONERS!!!! VOTE NO! NO! NO! TO JULIE'S SALARY!!!!
anonymous...
That was a very nice post you just made. Isn't it refreshing to see someone make positive and sincere statements on this blog? You are to be commended.
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