Did Secret Meetings Determined Votes For Power Board Members?
I was told by a person they had looked up the word shyster in the dictionary and there was a picture of Mr. Andy Hoover, City Attorney, Pulaski Electric Service Attorney and PES Registered Lobbyist. I said I doubt that and looked for myself and while there wasn’t a picture of Mr. Hoover there was a description of his recent behavior, a person who uses unethical or tricky methods, a pettifogger.
It seems that Mr. Hoover acting as city attorney arranged private meetings, in violation of the state Open Meetings Law T.C.A 8-44-101 thru 106, where discussions, were allegedly held between Mr. Hoover and individual city council members about their votes for returning Mr. Bryant and Mr. Houston to the Power Board.
The question is with all the promises of renewed openness and transparency within the PES and City government how can the citizens of the county feel any confidence in these promises when they sit on a foundation of secrecy, double speak and questionable behavior? Allen Barrett
It seems that Mr. Hoover acting as city attorney arranged private meetings, in violation of the state Open Meetings Law T.C.A 8-44-101 thru 106, where discussions, were allegedly held between Mr. Hoover and individual city council members about their votes for returning Mr. Bryant and Mr. Houston to the Power Board.
The question is with all the promises of renewed openness and transparency within the PES and City government how can the citizens of the county feel any confidence in these promises when they sit on a foundation of secrecy, double speak and questionable behavior? Allen Barrett
posted by Allen Barrett | 9:58 PM
41 Comments:
I have a new word to add to my limited vocabulary...pettifogger.
If they were secret, how do you know about them?
It don't hurt to give those council members a little guidance from time to time.
10:45 He knew because anything you do underhanded in Giles Co. always gets revealed. Thanks Mr. Barrett.
For sure I would never use the services of Andy Hoover.
It's only a violation of the sunshine law if more that 2 Board/council members meet together. They are allowed by the law to meet individually with the attorney. This is common practice by most public boards/councils.
Good point 8:14.
Mr Barrett - I don't mean to hijack this thread but could you start a thread on the state of our school system? Specially, about how well our children are being taught?
And you expected anything else? Sunshine Law don't shine in Pulaski. Won't until some changes are made. Mayor Aldermen Attorney.
The anonymous poster of 18 Aug 8:14 stated, "It's only a violation of the sunshine law if more that 2 Board/council members meet together. They are allowed by the law to meet individually with the attorney. This is common practice by most public boards/councils."
In the strictest terms the requirement is a restriction of "two" or more members meeting together.
My contention as stated to Mr. Hoover and the City Council is that Mr Hoover, by his own admission, represented the City Council and thus put himself in the role of a member seeking to influence the vote of another member thus the violation of the "Open Meetings Law".
Meeting individually with the attorney is simply a means of circumventing the law and is not widely practiced by those seeking to operate above the law. Just as the courts have ruled that phone calls between two members or e-mails between two members where business of that body is discussed is a violation, so it is a violation for two members to meet at Country Kitchens with the purpose of lining up votes for one side or the other.
Clearly a violation exist if not by the letter of the law certainly by the intent of the law. Allen Barrett
to Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:50:00 AM - if you would not use him , based on Mr. Barrett's say so - you are probably to good and upstanding and religious and honest and yada, yada, yada and on and on , and blah, blah, blah, to ever need any attorney's service.
There are other attorneys in Pulaski and surrounding areas that practice with a great respect for ethics and truthfulness. As the lead in for this thread stated, Hoover is a shyster and after looking up the word pettifogger I like it better than shyster.
Even with attorney/clients meetings, you cannot and are forbidden to make any decisions and if you do so you are braking the law. The attorney can only give out legal advise and should not try to influence any decision made by the elected official. Even though Hoover may have known better, don't know that he didn't try to influence.
Andy Hoover is a decent, hardworking family man, unlike the many mudslinging,ignorant bible thumping hypocrites that, roost here on 'Barrett's Tree'..Please do him a favor and take your business elsewhere!
Mr Barrett
It seems that you just continue to make ememies. Andy Hoover IS a good and decent man, and I would think you could be more like him.
To 2:55pm Next time you make an entry on the blog, PLEASE speak English! Were you educated in Giles County??
To 4:16pm & 6:44pm "Andy Hoover is a decent, hardworking family man..." "Andy Hoover IS a good and decent man...." WHAT A JOKE! It is common knowledge he has no 'family' ethics. Yes he IS a family man, but ONLY because he currently has a wife and children. Wish you could tell the truth for ONCE! "Please do him a favor and take your business elsewhere!"....I think MUCH of the public HAS and doesn't NEED your 'kind' encouragement.
'Big' fish in 'small' ponds soon run out of water and space to 'swim' around and 'dry' up.
Common knowledge is just that, common and usually baseless.I'm sure Wendy thanks you for looking out for marriage...
you people have lost your ever lasted minds. Maybe they can be found at the next county's scavenger hunt.
Look, I have no problem believing Mr. Hoover is a decent, hardworking family man and I have no desire to have him as an enemy.
I hope he has a wonderful, joyful family life and I have no reason to believe he doesn't.
My points of contention are simple, I believe there is a terrible conflict in his representing both the city and the Electric System and his behavior with those meetings to influence alderman votes to return Mr. Bryant and Mr. Houston to the Power Board has every appearance of unscrupulousness. Allen Barrett
Mr. Barrett,
I think you are doing a great job!! It is only because of you and several other upstanding, honest and God fearing citizens, that change is beginning to occur, finally in Pulaski. Keep the ball rolling and good things are sure to come. You have finally got all the crooked politians shaking in their boots. The honest ones, few but far between, are behind you, whether you know it or not.
I, too, am sick of all the hateful things that are being said about WAB. Hes got my support 100%. Its obvious the people responsible for all the wrongdoings are the only ones putting entries on the blog that supports Speer, Hoover, Harrison, Janet, etc. Its not their supporters, its them, because at this point, they have no supporters but themselves. Who would want to go out on a limb for them at this point in time.
Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:27:00 AM
Don't forget their siblings and spouses
Who eles would be so angry at WAB?
Thanks to WAB.
TO: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:04:00 PM - Sir and / or Ma'am, YOU are the joke!
Anyone who does not know how the majority of folks feel now are choosing not to hear. Loud and clear people want change. Only ones wanting status quo are family and friends of folks in the middle of all this mess. And it is a mess.
7:04
Andy is a ghood and decent man, and you are pretty low-down to suggest what you have in light of the fact that he has family who might read this trashy blog run by a so-called minister! THAT would be a joke if it were not so sdad.
To Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:04:00 PM- as a matter of fact I was educated in Giles County and by your statement, I will have to assume that you weren't. Is that correct?
What did the "so-called minister" suggest that made Hoover look like less of a "family man"?
Seemed like Barrett was very complimentary toward Hoover in light of his public behavior.
My guess is that there are at least two wives here. Of two men mentioned lately.Two wives that might actually like to have some help keeping up with their husbands. Their husbands activity that is.
to Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:33:00 PM - I hear and I hear, but all I hear is a small group of malcontents that "think" they know all the answers - certainly not a majority. What really makes you think you are in the majority? I'd make a large bet that you are wrong.
You obviously are not in the majority in your thinking because everyone else knows what is going on but you. Shows how foolish you are to come on her and post in oppostion, although it is your right. But, it just shows how out of the loop and out of touch you really are. And, if you are having that much trouble hearing you need to turn up the hearing aids. The only people not hearing are the small vocal minority that keep losing their battle on this blog. If we both weren't cowards perhaps I would take your bet and we both post our identities. Guess that won't happen though will it??
True, there is a vocal minority on this blog who are verbally mistreated whenever they have something to say. But they are among the majority who are against all the whining and complaining by the malcontents who actually are a distinct minority in the county.
She's back! Draw a hole & draw a donkey sticking its head out - Remember the image - IT'S HER!
How about a Sunday school lesson centered around Hebrews 10:19-25? Why don't we all make application to our own lives?
What is your point - wellpleasing (in His sight?), saluting those who rule over us, ???
6.45 You would need to change the genatalia. I've never been called a "her". Be glad to show you I'm not a "her" if you are interested. Don't know about a donkey head? The quick response that comes to mind is to draw a hole and have a donkey's hind end sticking out to recognize you. How about you remember that image before showing your hiney again. Comprehende?
I'm sure you have a spare genatalia hidden in the closet. Ain't interested in looking.
Sure enough, the donkey's hind end stuck it's head out of it's rear end & answered her phone call!
It's like fishing for carp. Throw a terd in the water & up they come!
Too funny to be real!
Hey whoa! Won't find no spare in my closet. Not into kink stuff. Got the real thing partner. Could be that you ain't seen yours lately fellow. Don't know about fishing for carp. Do know about turds. Seems I've somehow caught one on my hook that thinks I'm someone else. I'm still offering to show you mine. Where you want to meet?
To the flasher - Check in with Barney Frank - bet $50 he'll throw you back with your spare in hand.
I'll bet you could pass for Cyclops
Fisherman Im still laughing at that "turd" on your hook. It is clear that the guy or gal that started this would have to ask King Dan if they could show you theirs. Back to this thread. A friend in business said he had never seen an issue that united the entire county like this one did. I have to agree. The electric company got out of hand. Folks can say they werent to blame. Some names keep coming up. Spear Hoover Holcombe Bryant. Seems to me they would see how folks feel and step aside.
I agree 734. The person that keeps picking away is obviously one of the YES men. Mad because somebody won't be a YES woman or man.Or married to them. Kinfolk. You named them pretty well. Small town politics and control.
How can you say the county is united on the PES issue when only a few people attended the meetings?
If you are speaking of the Power Board Meeting this morning only four citizens showed up but it was 7 AM. Where were you at 7AM this morning? Most people were at work.
If you are speaking of the two public meetings where questions were allowed to be asked of the PES leadership both were standing room only events. Allen Barrett
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