Vacation Leave Or Leave For Vacation?
A man applies for a job and during the interview is told he's hired and he starts work on Monday and will finish his orientation on Tuesday. The man says, "Hey wait a minute I can be here on Monday but Tuesday is out of the question, I start a weeks vacation on Tuesday. The Personnel Director says, "you can't take a week of vacation after only one day of work". The man replies, "sure I can the Personnel policy is 0-6 months of service and you get 40 hours of vacation".
Now if that little story sounds absurd, consider how such a policy might sound to most people who have to work a year or more to have a week of paid vacation.
This is the written vacation policy for the Giles County Highway Department.
1. Qualifications for vacation time - full-time employees (those who work 35 or more hours per week and 1820 per year) Shall earn paid vacation at a rate provided herein:
An employee is not eligible to use or receive compensation for vacation time until the employee has completed 6 months of continuous service at which time 40 hours of vacation time will be available. Vacation time will be granted beginning July 1 of each year thru June 30 (fiscal year basis). No employee may give or loan vacation time to another employee. Vacation time can not be held over from one year to the next. Part-time employees do not qualify for vacation leave.
0-6 months of service 40 hours
6 months - 3 years of service 80 hours
4 years - 14 years of service 120 hours
15 or more years of service 160 hours
2) Use of Vacation Time - The highway Department will have mandatory shut down (1) week for the summer vacation and (1) week at Christmas. Employees who are hired during the year will receive full pay for shut down weeks if (6) months of continued service is accumulated prior to shut down. If this is not feasible the employee will be off without pay. Additional vacation leave for 4 year plus employees may be used only at time approved in advance by the Road Superintendent or it will be paid. Employees with 15 or more years must take 4th week of vacation off or it will be forfeited. Vacation request will be honored to the extent possible. If two or more employees request vacation for the same period of time, it will be the Road Superintendent's decision if this will create a hardship upon the department. If it is determined it is not possible for both employees to be on vacation at the same time, the request for vacation time will be honored at the discretion of the Road Superintendent.
Now here are some questions that come to mind.
1) Between 3 years of service and 4 years how much vacation time does an employee have?
2) If the department is shut down for a week in the summer and a week at Christmas is vacation time charged for these shut downs or are those times in addition to vacation? If they are are not in addition to regular vacation then how does a person only qualified for 40 hours of vacation manage to be paid for 80 hours?
3) Does a full time employee with six months service get 40 hours of paid vacation, 80 hours of paid vacation or 120 hours of vacation?
posted by Allen Barrett | 4:40 PM
58 Comments:
Does all the county workers get vacation time like this?
I sm finally getting the picture. ALL elected and appointed officials in the county should work for minimum wage and not get vacation time. In addition, they must pay at least half of their health insurance and have a bare minimum of office help.
7:50 I have worked as a deputy sheriff for a number of years and I can tell you that the Sheriff's Department don't get anywhere near that much vacation. I had to work a full year just to get a week off. I still get only a week off after eight years.
7:50 is that same old bitter ass that don't like nothing Barrett writes, even though it's true. I've never heard of anyone getting benefits like that. Most places your barely off probation at 6 months. Damned shame we paying for that, as usual.
Had E. Nuff
Thank you for posting that 8:00. It helps to put things in perspective.
People working at the highway department read this blog, so if this isn't true, they should step up and say so. Not posting will mean it's true.
Why would the highway department get special privileges that the Sheriff's Department or any other county employees don't get?
Mr. Barrett be careful of the info some might give you that work for the county.
9:20 I appreciate your concern and there is cause for concern. What I posted in this thread topic was taken word for word from the "Giles County Highway Department Personnel Policy September 2006".
I have now posted the vacation policy for the Sheriff's Department and it also is taken word for word from the "Giles County Sheriff's Department Employee Handbook/Personnel Policies"
both these policies were received from the County Executive's Office and are on file there and available upon written request.
I find it rather interesting that the Highway employees can be paid for their vacation days but the Deputies can be.
It's also interesting to know that
what Highway Dept.employees get after six months Sheriff Dept. employees get only after a year.
The three weeks of vacation time the Highway Dept. gets after four years takes a Sheriff Dept. employee more than twelve years to get.
To 7:50
In response to your post I'd like to bring you a bit more up to date.
Contrary to your assertions about getting the picture it obvious you are still using 35mm and it is underdeveloped.
A more accurate digital picture is that no full time county employee is making only minimum wage. Even the interns from Martin College are making $8.00 an hour.
No elected official is making below $30,000.00 a year.
Vacation time in some departments is the most liberal I've ever heard of. Two week after six months plus two more weeks for mandatory shut down.
As for health insurance that is fully paid by the county for the employee. Not one penny is contributed by the employee for their health insurance.
A bare minimum of office help? You are kidding more than in the other absurdities you mentioned?
There are more complaints about not enough room than not enough people unless a family member is looking for a job. If each department had to justify each employee with a full eight hour of work each day, sorry they work less than eight hours a day, seven hours a day at least four I know of could be done away with. Some commissioners have identified six or more that are basically filling space.
If the departments have more work than they are capable of handling why are they still working less than eight hours a day?
If Barrett is even close to right on this it is an outrage and should be stopped right away.
Now we know where the additional $1,000,000 million went that was given by the commissioners to the Highway department this past year. Commissioners ought to reduce the amount this department gets of tax payer money.
Our tax dollars at work or rather not at work! VACATIONing!
Mr. Barrett: In your post you said that health insurance is paid by county for highway employees...three questions: Does county pay 100% for "all" county employees or just highway employees? How much per employee is paid for health insurance? If all employees paid 50% of health insurance..how much would that save county? These are the things that need to be addressed before propery taxes is raised or wheel tax is voted in! County Commissioners, please start SOMEWHERE and look at ways to cut the budget! PLEASE!
I have to pay my insurance, could I get a job with the county? I sure could use that help.
What about the matching retirement paid for the teachers, is it also paid for other county employees?
This is not Mr. Barrett but I believe I can accurately answer some questions.
Health insurance premiums are paid in full for EVERY county employee. A couple of years ago they looked into the employee paying $40 per month towards their premiums but then dropped the idea.
The county pays towards retirement benefits for EVERY county employee. The amount is based on a percentage of the employee's salary.
Do not know the dollar figure that is paid for health insurance on each employee. (Maybe a commissioner could post that!).
Hate to tell you RAS but not all county employee receives a retirement benefit.
8:12 I would think part time employees wouldn't receive retirement benefits. All others do. If not what is their job and why don't they reeive retirement benefit?
When I posted that all county employees receive retirement benefits I was, of course, referring to full-time employees. Part-time employees are employed under a separate set of rules, as in private business.
12:27 I understood what you said cg just wants to disagree. Anyone knew part time employees don't get the extras.
Several years ago county employees paid their percent of their retirement and it was matched by the county. I have been told the county now pays both, (employees part and the county's part.) is that true?
I know of another county in a different state that thought they couldn't give a raise so started paying the employees part of retirement. They didn't realize that was a big raise, now they are worrying over what former commissioners did.
2:10 not true, I have 5% of my check coming out for retirement.
5:42 Thanks for telling us that.
We can hear things and if people that really know don't step forward and tell us we believe what we heard.
June 11-11:15......
How much does Giles County match?
3% or 5%
2:10
You are so infatuated with me that it would make me very nervous to be alone with you anywhere. I have not made a single post about the issue currently under discussion. Ok? Can you accept that? Let's move on.
6:39 So true you haven't made a post about the issues any issues. You sure feel important if you think anyone is in love with you. What a laugh.
I don't understand how there can be such a huge difference in vacation policy from the sheriff office to the highway dept.
I have never worked anywhere, including many years as a union member, or even heard of a policy that allowed people to count sick leave or vacation time taken as part of the regular 40 hours work week.
9:04
Infatuation does not necessarily mean love. For example, Dr. Lecter was not in love with the people he was killing and eating. However, he was infatuated with them.
In my case, I think it's hatred rather than love. My nemesis wants my mouth shut. Sorry, but this is a free speech blog. If it's not, change the name.
9:53, you do realize "The Silence of the Lambs" was a work of fiction, don't you? BTW, your nemesis isn't the only one who would like to have your mouth shut. Perhaps a double dose of Pepto would help your problem.
5:08
Please tell me you are not that stupid. Of course that movie was fictional, but would you deny that there have been real cases of cannibalism. I should have used Jeffrey Dahmer as an example, but I didn't think you would trip over the point I was trying to make.
Oh, do you now want to discuss my bowell movements?
The bowel movements ( only 1 L in that word ) I was discussing were the ones coming from your mouth. Since you asked me so nicely, I will tell you I'm not that stupid. You were the one to use that analogy, not me. You could also benefit from checking the definitions of the words you use to try and appear intelligent. Infatuation:Infatuation is liking everything about a person, and seeing them as perfect. you do not see their flaws, just overlook them and act like they are perfect. So, wrong again. Lecter was not infatuated, he was obsessed. Two totally different meanings. Brush up on your research and you might not appear so stupid.
12:46
Oh, I must admit that my proofreading skills are not up to par (vote for Doss), and I will try to do better in the future. Did you get the subliminal message there? I doubt it. You will probably want to discuss subliminal instead.
Why are you splitting hair with me over the word infatuation? Buffalo Bill was totally infatuated with the women he killed and skinned. Or did he skin them first? Was he also obsessed?Oh, never mind. You would argue with me either way.
Your arrogance is almost as bad as someone else I know. And, for all I know, you could be him posting anonymously. Oh, I forgot; he never does that. What a laugh.
Say, do you have anything you want to discuss other than misspelled words and definitions? You are so laughhable. And yes, I think you are stupid (describing behavior)as well.
I'm splitting hairs over the word because it was the basis of your 9:53 post. Don't post if you have no clue as to what you are saying. If I'm stupid then there hasn't been a word invented yet to describe you. It's a shame, really. Putting you in front of a keyboard is kind of like handing a book of matches to an arsonist: You know nothing good is going to come of it. The truly sad part is that you have actually convinced yourself to believe the crap you are posting. Oh btw, it's not really subliminal if you put it right there where your conscious mind can readily notice the phrase. Keep trying though, practice makes perfect -- or in your case makes you look like an idiot, which doesn't seem to bother you in the least. I almost feel bad, you are making this way too easy.
The subliminal message was to you. Vote for Randy Doss. To me, there was nothing subliminal about that statement. I already knew who I was going to vote for.
You're making it way too easy? What a laugh.
Are you sure you're not barrett? Your condescension and arrogance seem to indicate that you might be.
You are truly an idiot if you think it's possible to post a subliminal message to yourself. It's impossible to even do that so there's no need to explain that it was not subliminal to you. The message was not even subliminal in itself. By definition, something that is subliminal is imprinted on the subconscious, not the conscious. It has to be hidden from the conscious mind or displayed so quickly that only the subconscious can detect it. My lord, get your facts straight. I'm really starting to feel sorry for you. You honestly cannot be that stupid, can you? Really? That's not even funny, that's just sad. I pity you cg and I will try my best not to respond to your posts anymore. I thought you were just acting, but it is clear to me now that you really can't help it. I'm sorry for every time I made you look like a fool, as I can see it's not a game to you, but real life. Everyone, please leave this man alone. It's like taking advantage of a child and it's really not funny anymore.
5:04
Do you really hate me this much? If so, I'll try to live with it.
I never said that I would send a subliminal message to myself. Are you nuts? The subliminal was for you (vote for Barry Doss). I already knew I would be voting for and supporting him. That subliminal message was for YOU. Do you understand me now? For Heaven's sakes, you have got to be either the stupidest person I have ever encountered or just the most argumentative. Which is it?
I fully understand subliminal and how impressions are subconsciously registered in the mind. But thanks anyhow for the vocabulary lesson.
You know what? I would appreciate it if you would try EXTRA hard not to respond to my posts anymore. It's really a waste of my time dealing with you anyhow. But if you should respond to my posts in the future, don't feel bad; I have more class than to call you a liar for changing your mind.
8;18 Are you really that stupid? You used the word wrongly and were called on it. Everything you've written since you were called on it has only made you look more ignorant. Using a word inappropriately isn't a big deal but your explanations for your mistake are not only stupid they are
they are hilariously stupid.
Do people hate or love cg. One time he/she is afraid to be around someone because they post to him so, next time he ask why they hate him/her.
10:58
Infatuation is described as a foolish, unreasoning extravagant passion or attraction. Make the proper application. Whatever that guy's attraction is toward me, It's sick.
Can we move on now?
12:02 Is your attraction toward WAB not sick? laughable
2:23
Truthfully, I can't stand him. Can we move on now?
Is that what God would want you to do cg.
I thought the misused word was "subliminal."
I am a county employee and it is not all roses as some think. We do have payments taken out for our health insurance and cant afford to pay for family insurance through the county as it is anywhere from 500 to 700 a month that is more than some of us make. Get all the facts before you start bashing county employees as it is not all roses and glamour as you think.
9:25
Look, I never said I was perfect. I am a Christian and a gentleman, but I am as falible as anyone else. I can't stand him, and I try not to feel that way. But I love Giles County, and it is my opinion that he alone is responsible for much of (didn't say all of the unrest and hatred here.
But let's be honest here. You despise the very ground I walk on.
So cg says "I never said I was perfect. I am a Christian and a gentleman, but I am as falible as anyone else" yet he says because he is a Christian gentleman that's proof he can't be an enabler of wrongdoing.
What did I miss cg? Does your fallibility only extend to your hatred for others? Are there other areas where you show a fallibility in your Christian life and if so how are we to know which other areas you have failings in and how anyone can have very much confidence in anything you say especially since you have been to be at least contradictory if not just a plain liar?
9:30
You just cannot leave me alone, can you? That's ok; I can deal with your childish infatuations.
As I said, I am far from perfect just like you and everyone else. But I am still a Christian and a gentleman regardless of how much you hate to hear that. Any other failings in my life are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ and are actually none of your business. Can we NO move on, or do you want to keep this game going? Your call. I'll be here, the Lord willing, to take you on.
Can we NOW move on? Sorry for the misspelling.
Thanks for clearing that up cg now I understand your thinking. You have failings but Jesus will not let you be an enabler. I am impressed.
I do wonder if it's possible that your self righteousness is a disappointment to Jesus or if He is so impressed with your rationalizations that he just gives you a pass?
11:00
Are you really that simple-minded? Please tell me you aren't.
Allow me to explain something to you again. Read it twice if you need to. As I said, I am a falible and sinful human being just like you and everybody else. However, living a Christian life provides me an avenue of repentence wherein I can be forgiven for my sins as often as I ask forgiveness. That's called grace. The hard part of it all is that God made us free moral agents. He does not beat us over the head and force us to conform. We are left to choose what we do, and I choose to not be one who would willfully go along with wrongdoings. All you seem to be doing is promoting the lie barrett told on me that I do go along with those things. It was a lie when he told it and it remains as such today.
Having said all that, is there STILL something about it that you just cannot wrap yur mind around? I don't know what to do to make it any clearer.
10:02 You are the one that don't seem to get it. You claim that the reason you CAN'T BE AN ENABLER is because you are a Christian, was that not your claim? Now you turn around and say that you are fallible and commit wrongs, my friend that knocks a hold in your claim big enough for a large blimp to fly through.
If your blindness was only limited to the enabling part I would have dropped this long ago but the fact is you are a hypocritical liar that uses your self righteousness to lift yourself up above everyone else and condemn them for not being as good as you. That isn't a log in your eye it's the whole damn forest.
10:43
Here's what you can't seem to get. I called myself a Christian because of the lie allen barrett told on me that I enable wrongdoings. That's correct; he told a lie. I CAN'T BELIEVE we are STILL having this conversation. This is so asinine.
Does being a Christian make one perfect and above sin? Of course not. I do it everyday but have an avenue of forgiveness available to me when I repent. We all do.
I never said I was without sin. Do you recall the one who brought a bucket of rocks to church and asked that anyone without sin cast the first stone? What a theatrical laugher that must have been. I think I would have chunked a stone and then repented! LOL.
Your view that I try to life myself above others is simply a lie. Don't you ever get tired of this? hat I have is the same thing you and everyone else can attain, regardless of who or what I am. Please try to understand.
10:43
Your view that I try to lift myself above others is simply a lie. Don't you ever get tired of this? What I have is the same thing you and everyone else can attain, regardless of who or what I am. Please try to understand.
Looks like your attitude about the stones Jesus asked those without sin to cast tells the story, You would throw the stones then ask for forgiveness, so you would enable wrongdoing then ask for forgiveness well that's OK. But you claimed that your being a Christian prevented you from being an enabler.
Liar, liar pants on fire.
12:29
You are either the stupidest person I have ever encountered or one of the most argumentative individuals I've ever seen. Could you not tell that I was being "facetious" when I said I would probably cast a stone and then repent? Surely, you are smarter than that. Did you not see LOL after that statement? In case you don't know, that signifies laughter or kidding. For Heaven's sakes, why don't you give up on the attacks? It's just making you look either stupid or argumentative...or both.
Enabler is a word allen barrett came up with then he decided to tell a lie that I willingly go along with wrongdoings. I've proven him to be a liar, not only by my proclaiming Christ as my Savior, but also by stating (several times) that I believe those guilty of our financial mess should be prosecuted, regardless of who they are. You make not only barrett but yourself look bad by continuing to bring up that lie. Promoting his lie also makes you a liar.
12:50 I know what LOL stands it's Lots of Luck or Lots of Love but in your cast I thought the more appropriate meaning was LIAR O LIAR.
As far as proving anything other than what a liar you are you haven't proven anything. Have you criticized Vanzant for the lies she has told or her veto of the commissions votes on the beer license and other things.
You even continue to make excuses for Harwell's behavior at the chili cook off and that is inexcusable when everything is right there on video.
3:10
Wrong! Are you that dumb?
I am unaware of the lies you accuse Mrs. Vanzant of telling. However, If she lied, I wouldn't side with her one minute. But you eagerly defend one who was proven a liar by me. In fact, I just proved him a liar again by what I just said with respect to Mrs. Vanzant. Can you handle the truth?
As for Terry Harwell, he behaved himself a lot better than I would have had someone approached my wife as she was. Granted, I didn't like the language Terry used, but he was provoked.
Do you have anything else? ould yu like to take a shot at Tommy Campbell now...or perhaps Mrs. Coleman? After all, they are also in 7th District. What an inexcusable shame.
3:10
Predictably, you failed to respond to my comments about Mrs. Vanzant and Mr. Harwell. Hilarious. And yet, you want to promote the lie that I would go along with and support wrongdoings.
Vanzant lied several times when she vetoed the Commissions decision to not extend the distance required to sell beer. The enabler knows this and his church is strongly opposed to the sell and consumption of alcohol but his support for Vanzant is stronger than his support for his church.
Vanzant lied recently when she changed the vote totals of a commission meeting. She lied about Garner when she threw her under the bus to save her own big butt.
Now what, biatch?
Filthy language being condoned by (laughing here) a "man of God".
I don't even think biatch is a word, dickweed. You can look it up if you want, I mean if you can.
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