Mrs. Garner the Financial Management Director For The County Officially Handed In Her Resignation Yesterday
I had been committed to not comment on this matter until it was made public. From the phone calls and postings to this blog it has obviously become public information.
On Thursday morning Mrs. Garner, under pressure, submitted her official letter of resignation to the County Executive and Financial Management Committee.
A Financial Management Committee meeting has been scheduled for next Friday morning where the letter will be discussed and, as it stands at this moment, will be accepted. Such things as unused vacation and sick time must be dealt with and the current budget must have decisions made about it.
This action comes primarily as a result of inappropriately by-passing the County Legislative Body when dipping heavily into the Hospital Funds and a million and a half dollar mess in the School Budget.
While I have been a very vocal critic of Mrs Garner's leadership, I have always found her to be a very nice friendly lady and I wish her well, I have continued to believe that the problem is not hers alone and that the County Executive and Director of Schools have an equal if not greater responsibility in this matter.
I strongly believe that the county must have an independent audit of all it's finances long before any talk of a tax increase or wheel tax can be seriously considered. I believe, at this moment no one has a real clue as to what the situation actually is with county finances. In my opinion the relationship between some state auditors and the county has resulted in a complete breakdown of financial discipline. I also believe that much of the problem at the school system is the result of conscious efforts to have the school system removed from under Financial Management control.
On Thursday morning Mrs. Garner, under pressure, submitted her official letter of resignation to the County Executive and Financial Management Committee.
A Financial Management Committee meeting has been scheduled for next Friday morning where the letter will be discussed and, as it stands at this moment, will be accepted. Such things as unused vacation and sick time must be dealt with and the current budget must have decisions made about it.
This action comes primarily as a result of inappropriately by-passing the County Legislative Body when dipping heavily into the Hospital Funds and a million and a half dollar mess in the School Budget.
While I have been a very vocal critic of Mrs Garner's leadership, I have always found her to be a very nice friendly lady and I wish her well, I have continued to believe that the problem is not hers alone and that the County Executive and Director of Schools have an equal if not greater responsibility in this matter.
I strongly believe that the county must have an independent audit of all it's finances long before any talk of a tax increase or wheel tax can be seriously considered. I believe, at this moment no one has a real clue as to what the situation actually is with county finances. In my opinion the relationship between some state auditors and the county has resulted in a complete breakdown of financial discipline. I also believe that much of the problem at the school system is the result of conscious efforts to have the school system removed from under Financial Management control.
posted by Allen Barrett | 10:16 AM
123 Comments:
Yes do wish her well, having been put into an awkward situation goes without saying. Stopping short of Imbeselment (WHICH I DO NOT think is the case) there's no reasonable explanation as to missing or incorrect dispersal of funds without at least someone in ether county government an or school system knowing it was happening--ie she probably did what her bosses told her to do. Unfortunate, an wish her well.
Also where an from whom was the pressure To resign coming from? Was she the sacrificial lamb?
Why resign if you feel you've done nothing wrong? Must of been the sacrificial lamb. Sad.
This is a very serious situation that is happening in Giles county government. Therefore, I am requeasting the person who argues backwards and forwards with Mr Barrett and others over trivial things to please refrain from your usual posts. People are very very concerned and there does not need to be any nonsense posted, only facts. We need to leave it up to the elected officials to sort things out but I agree wholeheartedly that this is the time, and past time, we had an independent audit of Giles county finances. This should have been done before financial management went into effect so the county could (perhaps) have started with a clean slate. Although the county doesn't appear to have extra funds right now, money was found yesterday for a new truck for the EMA office so it can be found for something so serious as a full indedendent audit. I am afraid some pretty bad things may be revealed when all is said and done.
Careful, Careful, Mr. Barrett...
Please, Please follow the suggestion of 12:27:00. Hold the bull for another day, Please.
Thanks
All of a sudden it is serious? It has been for a long time but those who have questioned the actions of those who caused the situation that is being revealed have been attacked maliciously and called trouble makers and liars.
Our commissioners failed to do anything to prevent this and now it is believed they will handle this with the respect it deserves? Wake up Giles County!
12:27
Yes, we do need to leave this situation up to our elected officials and not a small group of quarrelsome people who have been after Mrs. Garner almost from the start. I hope they are happy now.
3:38 This statement is not correct. The 'small group of quarrelsome people' as you like to describe people have been the very ones who have SUPPORTED Ms Garner and have mixed feelings about her resignation.
I see you could not leave the malicious comments and postings out of it. Thanks for that.
Mrs. Garner
I wish you would reconsider and not let the CAVE people run you off. That's what they have been trying to do for a long time. Don't let them get away with that. This was not your fault.
Here's my opinion: I dont believe anything has really happened to any funds. I think it was only figures on paper and the mess up happened because of all the amendments to the budget. I further think that Ms Garner is being blamed unfairly and that it is all a ruse to enable the schools system to be removed from the financial management office so they can continue to spend as they always have without it being exposed.
Still
Does anyone know where the pressure came from to resign?
An as for this cave thing trying to run her off-- what gives? Because questions have been asked to prove accountability shouldn't e seen as trying to run someone off
5:41
I tend to agree with you there. And I now wonder about Mr. Jackson's role in all this. I'm not accusing him of a thing, but still I wonder.
6:13
You don't know who the CAVE people are? Or their leader?
5:14 Has the school system over spent this time? I find it hard to believe they didn't pay the insurance premium on time. Was the Finance Department suppose to pay it or the central office? The main question is, was there no money or someone being paid for a job they didn't know how to do?
Could we please let this thread be a discussion about the issues and the foolishness left off.
No one may know just what is going on but questions can be asked.
For over three months, those people who have AFLAC as an insurance, the premiums have not been paid. They all received a letter from the company stating that either it is paid immediately or the insurance will be dropped. They are recommending another form of payment to keep the insurance.
9:53 Is there no money in the school fund? Who was suppose to pay it, Garner or someone at the central office? If there is no money they had to know this three months ago to not pay it. Looks like time for a lot of heads to roll.
I think this is just the start. Unfortunately, Mrs. Garner is the Director of Finance and should be held 100% responsible, but she has a finance committee who is to help guard guide and direct. This committee has failed and should burden some of this responsibility. Two of the person's who set on the committee should resign or be removed from office as well. They are none other than, Tee Jackson, Director of School's and Janet Vanzant, County Executive.
I know there are folk's who are going to come running to there defense, but fact's are fact's. These two individual's know what is going on and how they have been on this run away spending for year's. As I have stated before the day of reckoning was coming, and now it is here. Blame has started as well as finger pointing. Mr. Jackson is already campaigning for a property tax increase. WAKE UP GILES COUNTY TAXPAYER'S!!!
Please do as 9:38:00 PMasks and stick to the subject> This is serious. Thanks
Rex
Friday, May 18, 2012 4:29:00 PM
Who's fault was it then?
Maybe someone working for her?
If someone working for you makes a mistake you are responsible for what they did?
I would just like to know how this happen? That has to be found out to keep it from happening again.
If not Mrs Garners fault, her resigning want prevent it from happening again.
NNNNOOOO!!!! We can't allow this mistake to be covered up with a property tax increase! If cuts are to be made in the school system to take care of this deficit then that's how it should be.
From the number of grammatical errors I've read in previous comments, letting teachers go should be the last resort.
6:10 Could it be Teacher didn't do a good enough job?
Could those who were so against Financial Management have sabbotaged to prove a point? Could Loretta's second in command (sent by education central office) have been placed there to keep Jackson up to snuff so he could feed Loretta the wrong numbers. When Loretta started she had to start with something. Where did she get the numbers. Loretta stand your ground and keep a diary. You may need it. Don't let them make you the fall guy. You said once you would never go to jail for Tee or VanZant. Speak out you will have support with you.
Loretta does not get numbers from Jackson, it is the other way around. Loretta has been telling the board that they had more money than they actually had. Loretta gets the numbers directly from the county for taxes and from the state for the state money. Jackson does not do accounting and has never claimed to. Loretta has been telling the school board that they had money and then suddenly she was wrong. She did not do anything intentionaly but she made a big mistake and now the school system is in trouble for next years budget. BUT... that has nothing to do with the bills not being paid, the money is there but no one was paying those bills since Glenda left. Every time anyone asked about something it was, not my job or I don't know how.
I think instead of the students and teachers hurting then they should clean house at the Central Office. Why do we have so many people in that office? Another thing that has bother me and other tax payers for years is why are we running the buses the days we do for ONE HOUR? That is a waste to tax payers money. Instead sending the students to school for 30 minutes to pick-up paperwork the first day then let them stay all day and the report cards could me picked up by the students or mailed out to them. Just like at Christmas for one hour. That could save gas, bus driver pay and tax payer money. Mrs. Garner is not alone in this and Tee Jackson needs to resign! Again, our students and teachers should not be the ones who get punished!
If the people on the central office were let go to make cuts then who would get the work done that they are required to do? No I don't work there but I know some one that does and there are many days they don't get out of that office until 7:00 or 8:00 at night due to the amount of work. Many people don't realize the amount of paperwork that is required now.
If I recall correctly Glenda retired in the Fall last year. Duties in the finance office were shifted around when Terry Harwell was hired in October. I am fairly sure it was that month because I knew someone with many years of experience who had applied for the position. The janitor was hired about three months ago. Then got transferred to Carol Wade's office after the protest by commissioners and feedback from their sonstituents. New woman then hired who had bookkeeping experience.
Now there's an idea. Let's blame Terry Harwell for this mess. Is there any way to tie the other 7th District commissioners into this as well?
Not my job! Who made out the checks for other thing. If someone is afraid they will have too much work to do, fire them. There is always someone willing to work.
7:26 Just has to make catty remarks.
I believe it's been more than three months since October when 7:20 said Terry was hired. How did that blame him with the insurance not being paid for three months?
In reading all post let me say this, first to CG, I never liked Terry Harwell before I ever heard of Allen Barrett.
Second, has anyone thought maybe Terry Harwell was put in the Finance office to find out just what was going on?
I pray we all find out just what happen and if others were involved they are fired.
One earlier post said to not run buses for one hour. How do those students get their report cards? Oh, that person to mail them. Now, at $.45 with close to 4000 students, that would be right at $1800.00+-. Just can't please all the people. That's what makes these jobs so difficult.
Harwell has proved he don't know enough to figure out anything. he was given the job as payback by VanZant
Don't believe me ask the people he worded with at Murrey thay he told all about the deal.
I tell you one thing I bet a bunch of people wish they had listened to Mr. Barrett about this mess.
9:27
You sound like wab himself. Are you?
If you are so sure it was a payback, why didn't you put your name after your post? As barrett says, don't hide behind the cowardliness of anonymous, especially when you want to make an accusation like that.
Did you not do the same thing you accused 9:27 of when you laid dispersions towards WAB in your own post?
Why are you not a coward by your own logic?
To 9:32 I agree with 9:27 and their statement that Terry Harwell was given the job at the Financial Management Department as payback by Mrs. Vanzant.
Want to know what I think about a subject you simply have to ask, it's not necessary to make stupid accusations about if I wrote this or that. See my name and picture that's me don't see it that's not me.
wab
Here's what I think on the subject you are talking about. I believe you are so filled with hatred and jealousy for Mr. Harwell and the other two 7th District commissioners that it clouds your thinking as distrust, hate, and paranoia eat away at your mind. Maybe you actually thought you should have been a commissioner, but it didn't happen. So dfry the tears and get on with your life. Why must you be so busy making other people's lives miserable?
7:49 This comment keeps your record of being wrong at 100%.
It's a sad thing that you can't or will not see the facts that are so clear to everyone who is involved.
Yes, I thought as a commissioner I could contribute in a different way that's why I ran but it didn't happen. Based on the results from some who are commissioners they would have been just as beneficial if they were tent pegs.
I do not hate the Harwells, not long ago we were working together on some projects. It was when they proved to be opportunist with no integrity that changed things. By the way are you aware that there were few in the county who were more vocally opposed to Mrs. Vanzant than the Harwells, until they saw a personal benefit.
As for making other people anything I've always felt it was the individual's responsibility for the way they feel. If you act with integrity and honesty you have no reason to feel the guilt of deceit and deceptions. Misery is largely the result of what you make of yourself.
Here it goes again cg don't hate WAB just despises what he stands for, but thinks everyone else hates people if they don't agree with them.
Who or what is cg ?
Cretinous goon ?
Complete goofball ?
Complete goner ?
All of the above ?
So can we refrain from all the commentary not
Associated with the resignation? So next well have the budget and what are we to do act again? So here's an advance screening---only way to overcome this 2.1 mill deficit is to cut all non essentials (which in itself is ironic cause if that'd been done already-be better off) which in turn people will have to justify their existence... Then magically a solution will appear--dip further into the hospital money and or a prop tax, resulting in prop owners fussing (rightfully so) then here comes the wheel tax....funny how that works....let's wait an see.
So maybe this comment maybe belongs on a thread to be started about the announce ment that there "may" be an audit..- that ought to go without saying-that's where you'd have to start in my opinion if you truly wanted to be transparent, accountable, an to repair the finances and public trust. A town hall such as the city of Pulaski had re: PES fame....not some small financial
Committee meeting much less pubically available---anyone know the likelihood of getting public tv there to broadcast? And not shown 3 months after the fact?
Start contacting the media. Look at all the other counties that are dealing with corruption. Seems like every week there is a new scandal or public official in trouble. Should be able to get someone to listen and report on it. This has been coming for a long time and I bet a lot more is going to come out as a result of things being looked into. Now everyone knows what incompetence we truly were dealing with out of that Finance Office. There were some specific individuals who tried to bring this all to light before but, commissioners wouldn't listen. I bet they wish they had now. They should feel pretty stupid for not taking an interest and looking into things a long time ago. Unfortunately, the taxpayer is burdened in all of this and 21 County Commissioners go unaccountable for not doing their jobs by holding the Finance Director and her staff responsible for doing their jobs. Pass the buck...seems to be a standard in this county. Loretta has resigned now it is time for some ouster proceedings to begin and Janet Vanzant should be the first to go. School Board needs to do their job and fire Tee Jackson. These two individuals have nearly bankrupted this county. Start with a clean slate and maybe, just maybe the citizens can begin to rebuild a trust with our elected and appointed local government employees.
May 20th 7:20 Glenda has been gone about three months, Terry Harwell was hired when Adrianne Braden quit and went to another county in the fall. They moved personnell around when Adrianne left not Glenda. Glenda actually worked for about a week to train the janitor before she left.
wab
I don't thibnk you are being honest at all when you say you don't hate the Hartwells. And you had the audacity to call them opportunists. What a laugh you are. Have you ever thought of becoming a stand-up comic?
The Harwells ought to sue you for accusing them of having no integrity. I'm sure you are familiar with the process of bringing suit against someone.
I've heard the state is going to audit the county. Now is that just the regular audit or is one being done because of this mess?
They audit it every year don't they? Was all this done in one year?
Or should the auditors be held responsible for not finding it before?
9:37 (10:54)
I stand by what I said. I don't hate barrett, but I think his behavior is obnboxious, hypocritical, and down-right low-down mean in some instances.
I notice that you just couldn't help but call me names. Why didn't you include anal buffoon in your list?
4:48 I saw on the news where some county was having horrific financial problems. It was stated that certain services they had provided have increased by 40 and 50 per cent, and that they didn't have enough money to pay for these skyrocketing costs. That is life. There was talk of a tax there. Let's hope the issue isn't submitted for a vote. It would be defeated. Then what? Just more proof that we do not need a charter. I certainly hope that county doesn't have one. Everything I have to purchase has gone up, but I have the same income. Oh, you might say I should cut back; we have!
I know for an absolute fact that Mrs. Vanzant as well as the commission are keenly aware of the problem here in Giles County. It's serious, and I don't have the answer. But the seriousness of this problem does not mean that Mrs. Vanzant is corrupt or inept. Those are the words of a certain few troublemaking individuals who frequent this blog.
cg What name did 9:37 call you?
9:37 and 10:54 appear to be one and the same person. The nasty names were entered in his or her second post at 10:54. Think.
And I see that my 448 post totally ignored....
Like a couple of children that gotta keep defending whatever..... Who cares you are also anonymous....stick to the thread...seems like about 2 that trade barbs about he said he said....
If I could actually read posts that mattered about the subject, it sure would save allot of time, but I guess that's your point, to derail discussing anything.
To 7:46
on Friday, May 18, 2012 7:41:00 AM
you wrote this on another thread
"It is not true that Mrs. Garner has resigned. I called and checked on that myself. So who is telling lies here and for what reasons?"
I won't embarrass you with the rest of your statement.
At 7:46 you wrote, "I know for an absolute fact that Mrs. Vanzant as well as the commission are keenly aware of the problem here in Giles County. It's serious, and I don't have the answer. But the seriousness of this problem does not mean that Mrs. Vanzant is corrupt or inept."
For someone who doesn't seem able to get much else right why should anyone believe you now finally have this right? Who assured you that Mrs Garner did not resign, who has been feeding you all the wrong information you keep the gossip mills turning with?
As the County Executive and as a member of the Financial Management Committee Mrs Vanzant has been directly involved in the failings of the Financial Office. She was warned, she was given alternatives but she would not listen choosing instead to attack those who offered sound advice.
You also accuse me of desiring the position of Financial Management Director, very little could be more wrong than your thinking in this. I have no desire for any type full time job. I would very much like to see more openness, honesty and competency in county government and will continue to work toward that goal and the adoption of the very much needed County Charter.
So, you can call me all the names you choose but the fact remains you are no more accurate with your name calling than with your "absolute facts".
8:15 WRONG!! I posted 9:39 & 7:59, but not 10:54. I'm not smart enough to think of 10:54's post and you're not half as smart as you think you are.
Every one does know that although the city has paperwork stating that PES is to maintain channel 3 as a public access channel so the citizens will have a medium to voice their opinions but they now contract it out to a private company so you have to buy space to place any programming on it. It is supposed to be a channel for the citizens, after all it was paid for by the citizens.
Is Loretta Garner just going to roll over and take the blame for everything, like it's all her fault?
Was it? I thought she was the best qualified for the job.
Sorry Commissioners but it's your fault also. You should of been looking out for Giles County better than you seem to have been. Are you going to let it happen again on your watch?
People will loose trust in the local government. Looks like a charter is definitely needed.
barrett
You're really not very bright, are you?
I never accused you of wanting that Financial Management job. Don't lie...again. I asked if you would consider it if offered, but it was only a joke. I thought you would know that I was being facetious. Don't worry; you won't get an offer anyhow.
Now, you told a half-truth when you stated that I initially said Mrs. Garner had not resigned. When it became apparent that the person who told me was mistaken, I doid some further checking and found out that she did plan to resign. At that point, I retracted my initial statement. Oh, but you forgot to mention that, didn't you? A half-truth is also a lie. Stop lying.
Granted, someone gace me the wrong information, but don't try to spin this that I am mistaken all the time. Stop lying! Just be truthful.
I know for an absolute fact that Mrs. Vanzant and the commission is well aware of the financial crisis our county is in. And guiess what? They don't need you to fix things.
Lastly, what names have I called you other than a liar? And you are.
When may I have your apology for the lie you told on me that I willfully go along with wrongdoings? Are pride and arrogance in the way?
As someone has said on here to enablers, liars and incompentents the proof is in the pudding and right now Mr Barrett's pudding is looking mighty good while 7:11 has a bunch of lumps in theirs.
8:09
And opinions are like noses; everybody has one.
Well 711 guess he could apologize if:
1. You weren't anonymous
2. You had a clue an could see he's not lying.
Why did he have to mention that you retracted you original incorrect information? Anyone that sees this blog and is subject to reading your efforts to derail an change the subject, saw your quickness to oppose B with incorrect info--just because you can't stand him telling it like it is.
I'm the type of person that if I'm called a liar, troublemaker, enabler, etc by someone like you who bends whatever facts they like to make their story fit their perception ---WHO CARES.
I've been hearing all kind of stories around town, what do I believe? I was told to read the Free Speech Blog.
I'm still wondering so I would like to ask the one some call CG a question. You don't seem to believe William Allen Barrett, so would you give me your take on this?
Why was the teacher's insurance not paid?
Is there really a lot of money missing?
How can that happen, did they not write down each check, so they would know where it went?
Is this a little like the John Edwards deal?
Since Loretta Garner resigned leaving me to think she and she alone is responsible, would that be right?
Giles County has had enough bad press over the years, this tops them all. This makes people in other states and counties think either Giles County has a lot of crooks and they are to dumb to know how things should be done.
I love Giles County, but don't know how to answer them.
How many people are involved in this mess?
10:08 Do you really think "poor piteful me barrett told a lie on me" is going to answer your questions? When hell freezes over. lol
On Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:50:00 PM the one that calls itself the Christian Gentleman stated in one of it's post
"Oh, and the Harwells didn't run to the police station and have Mr. Hughes arrested...a minor difference there."
Although the entire post is false I will address a point that any one can check in public record by reading the police report and on the video tape.
First in the video tape it shows Vicky did call the police after I was physically attacked by Terry Harwell, at her command, for responding to the statements or lies Vicky so boldly directed my way when I was addressing another man's statements. I had every right to be on the public side walk and street at a public event one block from where I own property.
Second, in the police report you will see Terry listed as the victim and not me. Why? because they tried to have me arrested. Third you will read a ton of lies written by Vicky in the police report, many read some of them in the paper, that were proven to be false with the video evidence and other witness accounts. In fact the only witness that turned in a statement with any similarity of Vicky's was one of her friends and that written statement was discredited by other witness accounts and the video evidence. Fourth, Terry Harwell did not even back up Vicky's statement and he was on the report as the victim. He would not talk to the police and would only allow his lawyer to speak to the police to tell them he would not give a statement. Fifth, I would have gone to jail the night of the Chili- Cook-off had I not possessed the video footage of what actually happened to show the police. I could go on but there will be more to come about this, I promise you.
Had I been related to the DA Mike Bottoms like the Harwells then justice might have been served. I will be glad to share the police report for any one who wants to read it.
I also want to state the police did an excellent job in questioning a lot of witnesses to reveal the truth. Too bad the DA's did not care enough to do their job. After all I was threatened by DA Dan Alsobrooks that he would drop the case completely if I pushed for official oppression and official misconduct. At that time I did not know about the Tennessee Civil Rights Act and he certainly was not going to tell me about it. After all his statement was that he had wasted his time with the piddly little case, the lowest form of assault, equivalent to a man smacking his wife.
In reading all the posts from whatever this person is,CG, I find him or her to be as big a liar as Vicky and as cowardly as Terry.
This is all I am writing about this but will be releasing something a little later this year.
Bob Hughes
P.S. Thank you for all the support I received from the citizens of Pulaski and Giles County and knowing that Terry Harwell is a liar and that I am not homosexual. I am not judging any one who is, to each his or her own.
10:08
I will do my best to answer your questions.
1. Why was the teacher's insurance not paid? Someone dropped the ball; I don't know who, but someone needs to be called on the carpet for that.
2. Is there really a lot of money missing? I don't know. I understand the money was always there. I simply do not know.
3. How can that happen? Again, someone screwed up, and whoever is guilty should be punished.
4. Is this a little like the John Edwards deal? I don't know, but AGAIN, if someone has done wrong, they need to be punished.
5. Is Mrs. Garner alone responsible? I have no idea who all might be responsible, but this needs to be brought to light.
Having said all that, why should YOU believe the lie allen barrett told on me that I willfully go along with wrongdoings. I don't.
to Bob
Look, I understand your frustration about your business, and I do see that yuou have a valid point., I would never deliberately lie about you. I now believe you were justified in approaching Mrs. Harwell to ask her questions. I'm just sorry it turned out bad for you. Ok?
Bob Hughes
Have you re-opened your Punk 'n Blues business? If so, what are the hours? Are you open at noon?
(Whatever your sexual preference is, good luck to you on all fronts).
Love ya.
11:59 that post made more sense than anything I have ever seen you write. If you would have left off the part about Barrett I would have really have been more impressed.
12:55
I was merely making a point that he did lie. I would never support something wrong.
1:00 PM, my hat's off to you. It takes a big man to admit that he may have been mistaken about something -- especially on here where your remarks are likely to be misconstrued. I doubt that you and B will ever resolve your conflicts, but thanks for seeing the other side of Bob's situation.
Ray Lanier
I do believe hell must of froze over.
To 11:59
I appreciate your acknowledgement of the situation. I still have a far road to travel to get fair treatment from Pulaski's City Council. I doubt I ever will under the current administration. I can only hope for change.
To 12:14,
I am opened Wednesday,Thursday, Friday 11am-3pm.
I try to get my menu posted on Punk-n-Blues.blogspot.com mornings that I am opened.
Thank you for asking,
Bob
Please do not judge all the commissioners on what a few do. We are only one vote and if some of them want something to happen they will go to all lengths to see that it does. We have committies and the Financial Committee is the one that hired Loretta Garner. We did not have a voice in it. Those seven are the ones to blame. I stand corrected, one of them did not vote for her.
9:14 Do you really think Loretta and Loretta alone is the only one to blame for this mess? Someone posted on the blog that Loretta had permission from someone to use the hospital money, wonder who gave it.
Ray
It was the right thing to do, and I am never too proud to admit that I was wrong. Thank you.
Mrs Garner does not have the strength to say no and that is her problem. there was more involved and you can count on that.
Can the members of te financial committee be listed so they can be contacted regarding the upcoming meeting? Thanks for any help.
I believe the Train Wreck is happening!!!! ROFL!!!
Current members of the Financial Management Committee are -
Janet Vanzant
Tee Jackson
Barry Hyatt
Ramona Flacy (as Budget Chairman)
Tommy Camobell (Chairman of Committee)
Tommy Pollard
Tommy Pope
Sorry typo. Should be Campbell.
Thanks Bob. Will be there.
5:51
You delight in the financial crisis? That's sick. Don't hate.
No delight 7:59 but the chickens have arrived. Shouldn't we all be glad that corruption and incompetency is being rooted out and the county has a chance to get on stable ground.
Thanks for the list of who's on committee.
759, I don't think they like the mess, but you got to laugh in a way because there was a very good commissioner a couple of years ago that warned everyone that this budget stuff was a train wreck waiting to happen-- an most just ignored or tried to discredit him. Well now unfortunately he has the last laugh.
Bob, Do you have to pay extra to advertise on the sidewalks?
9:57 Sounds like one of cg's digs.
Well have fun while you can. There is an old saying, "what goes around comes around."
I do not believe that anyone has intentionally done anything wrong with the money. Mrs. Garner made a big mistake and I think she has been pressured to resign. Someone in the office failed to take over the duties of Glenda when she left and therefore deductions were not paid. Not from lack of money but from lack of incentive on someones part to step up and do something that needed to have been done even though it was "not their job." Mrs. Garner as manager should have seen that someone was doing that job since the janitor was incapable of doing so. There are also a lot of school employees who will not be getting a check from retirement because no one did the retirement papers in a timely manner. Mrs. Garner guilt is in not being a good manager. There was no embezzement done just poor management and errors.
That could be so 1025, could be. Prob is, and going forward their oversight people should have more or at least use the powers they have to keep this from happening in the future.
10:25 Was this janitor a man that had worked in the banking business?
Didn't Glenda train the person that took her place? Looks like that person should go if he/she can't learn the job.
Maybe the person that had been milking is not capable of working in the finance office or was that just a tale.
Explain the missing money, has it been found where it was spent?
Looks like Mrs. Garner just wasn't capable of the job. I sure hope the next person they find is capable of doing it.
The bills and insurance have not been paid on time for a long time now. Ask some of the employees of the county that have received notices in the past that the premiums were not paid. Doubling up of deductions because deductions were never take out like they should have been. A complete mess and incompetence running a muck. I guess they thought they could keep it quiet and fly under the radar but it all fell through and they got caught with their drawers around their ankles. What is this I hear that Loretta Garner is out of town? Is she vacationing in Florida as some are saying and not being held accountable for her actions? The least she could do is tell the truth and try and straighten out the mess she made. What a coward she is for running off and leaving the taxpayers yet again screwed.
10:03
You just can't stand it because I refer to myself as a Christian, can you? You just can't get past it.
Financial Management Committee meeting this Friday, 9:30 a.m. in the annex basement.
I pay as much as Martin College, The Outlook, the Chamber, Tourism, and every one else you see that uses public property and the side walks to market their products and services.
Are you asking because you want to promote your business? I know how hard it is to promote a business in this town.
Bob
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:20:00 PM
Have you been eating loco weed. 10:03 said nothing about you being a christian. He/she just identified you.
Oh I guess you are just trying to change the subject of this thread to about you.
Most people ignored you, but I didn't.
Are you happy now?
1:20 apparently thinks if they take dirty socks out of the clean drawer they don't smell, waving the term Christian around like a banner is like wearing them dirty socks... you may tell yourself everything is OK but those you're near still smell the socks.
You should take your last statement and apply it to your daily life Barrett. There isn't very much of a difference between you and the CG. The biggest difference being you like to get out and make people smell your dirty socks. It is really sad that your life isn't more useful.
barrett
I refer to myself as a Christian because of the low-down lie you told on me that I willfully go along with wrongdoings. You demanded proof, and that's the best evidence I could provide. However, YOU decided that wasn't good enough and went right on promoting your lie. That's right; you are a liar!
When all this came up with Loretta Garner, I stated more than once on this blog that those individuals responsible for this mess should be punished. How's that for some additional proof? When may I expect your apology for telling that lie?
You know, pride is one of the deadly sins mentioned in Proverbs. I was reading them a few days ago, and it was uncanny how many seemed to fit you. It is my opinuion that you are one of the sorriest individuals on earth. How you have what little measure of loyalty you enjoy is simply beyond me. That's what I apparently think.
6:02
No, there's a vast difference between me and the likes of allen barrett. I just couldn't let that one go.
What is it? Barrett signs his name and shows actual proof to support his statements?
Sincerely,
CG still lying and whining
mal
Well, here you are back in true form. Why don't you let barrett speak for himself? Or have you now become his spokesperson?
No, he is a liar when he refers to me as one who enables wrongdoing.
Similarly, I would appreciate it if you would stop lying as well. If you would go look in the mirror, you would see the true liar and whiner. Ok?
CG has stated in his own words that her has lied. Does he continue to lie? Maybe YES and maybe NO. But he has admitted to being a lier.
7:09
Wrong. What I said is that we all (everyone of us) have at one point in our lives told a lie. That includes you. I never said that I am a liar. There's a difference, and you know it. So stop lying and trying to put a spin on what I actually said.
9"30 PM So are you saying that should Ms Vanzant, T Jackson and others be involved in this financial mess the county is facing right now that they should also be punished?
7:23
That's exactly what I mean to say. Now will you call me an enabler of wrong? Will barrett apologize for telling that lie in the first place? We shall see.
To 9:30 Two important things about your statement.
First, you say, "When all this came up with Loretta Garner, I stated more than once on this blog that those individuals responsible for this mess should be punished."
What incredible selective memory you have or you just not mind telling a whopper of a tale. When this situation first started you defended Mrs Garner and Mrs Vanzant to the hilt. You denied she used the hospital money then you denied she did anything wrong when using the money without permission. When I reported that she had resigned you told everyone you knew for a fact that she had not resigned and I was a liar.
You only called for any punishments after people continued to pressure you about your enabling and then even when she publicly admitted using the hospital funds without permission you finally stated "if" she did wrong she should be punished. You are still in denial about Mr. Jackson and Mrs. Vanzant even though you did say you had lost a lifetime of respect for Mr. Jackson.
The second thing is the interesting way you read your Bible. You state, "You know, pride is one of the deadly sins mentioned in Proverbs. I was reading them a few days ago, and it was uncanny how many seemed to fit you. It is my opinuion that you are one of the sorriest individuals on earth".
Perhaps I'm wrong but I was taught to read my Bible with an attitude that it was speaking specifically to me and my life not about someone else. My Granny taught me that the Bible was God speaking to me about me not Him telling me how His Word applied to others and they were abusing it. I'd suggest you speak with your Pastor about his thoughts of reading the Bible to see how it applies to others.
As for being in your, "opinuion one of the sorriest individuals on earth". Considering the accuracy of all your other opinions I'll take that as a huge complement. You know one time my kids and I went to buy a Boston Terrier. The guy that was selling the litter said he only had four left and one was about the sorriest pup he'd seen lately. The whole family was drawn to that "sorry little sight" and she went home with us and proved to be the most fantastic pet we ever had. Sorry is just a word that when applied to one of God's creatures says God made a mistake and didn't understand what he was doing when He created that___________ . You can fill in the blank as you seem to know more than God.
barrett
Again, I must call you a liar for accusing me of enabling wrongdoings.
You are also a liar when you say I'm in denial about Mr. Jackson. I happen to be the one who stated that I have lost a lifetime of respect for him. Don't lie and spin what I said. Yes, I think you are one of the sorriest people on this earth. That's my opinion.
Among the deadly sings are a lying tongue, a hhaughty spirit, a proud look, and feet that are swift to mischief. It is my opinion that God is in fact speaking to you in those scriptuires.
Finally, someone like you need not try to preach to me. I can't hear a word you are saying, so don't bother. I believe your actions are deafening.
deadly sins...typo
Is that the only scripture you know out of the entire word of God 1:28? Because you seem to use it a lot lately and never direct scripture to your own character and actions. I'm sure "Sorry" for you are not able to see your own flaws. The scriptures apply to us all not just WAB or select ones you disagree with. Maybe you need to think about that.
1:42
I realize that we are ALL sinners and need God's saving grace. In fact, I have mentioned that on this blog at least a couple of times. Oh, I see myself as a mortal sinner just like we all are from time to time. But I have that avenue of forgiveness through Christ Jesus. So please don't feel sorry for me. Instead, pray for me We all need it.
I know barrett is too proud to admit he was wrong about me and apologize, but it seems to me that he could just stop it and repent.
How in the world can anyone admit they were wrong about an anonymous person and apologize to whom? CraZY.
Im the one he lied about so he should apologize.
You don't know the motives of WAB's heart 1:48. You are such a hypocrite for labeling others and condemning others, yet you seem too proud to realize your own faults. Everyone on this blog sees your hypocrisy but you. I do feel sorry for you because until you hold your self to the same standard as you do others you are lost. But, I will pray for you. As you said, we all need it.
1:28 I think you got that right, "You don't hear a word anyone says if you don't want." You just dream up every post is about you.
After reading CG's whining on here again I, as most can only pitty it and hope it gets the help it needs some day.
I have to wonder what God CG is praying too, if at all because I have always been told the Devil is the greatest liar of them all. But I think he may have found his match in CG.
Sincerely,
CG still lying and whining
mal
I pray to the Almighty God who reigns in Heaven. What about you with the smart mouth? Do you pray?
You just can't restrain yourself from attacking me, can you? That's cool; I can handle it.
However, I would urge you once again to go take a look in your mirror. There you will see who the real liar and whiner is. Guess what? It's YOU! What a laugher.
7:28 Why do you attack people that didn't mention your religion or being an enabler then?
I had you pegged as who I thought you were, now more than ever I believe it because you seem to be a little confused since this mess has come out.
8:42
My response was to the usual attack from mal (6:45), which really doesn't concern you. He or she attacks, and I defend myself.
Well one thing is clear Mr Barrett is the only one who publicly tried to tell us what was going on and he only got criticized for it. Sure there was some others saying the same things but they kept hiding under anonymous and only saying it in private. thanks Mr Barrett sorry it comes so late. We should have acted long ago.
6:44 You attacked me on another thread when I hadn't said a thing about your religion or you being an enabler, so I felt it did concern me.
Are you the only one allowed to post?
You say people can't stand you are a Christian Gentleman when we don't care what you are.
So go a heads and have your little fits.
8:39
I only defend myself from attacks.
Which thread was it? I will go have a look at it. If I have said something to you unjustly, be assured that I am more than man enough to admit wrong and apologize. Ok?
8:47 Just go read all post on "New Principal At Richland?" See if you can figure it out.
My post was directed to everybody not you alone. I said nothing about you or anyone being enabler, liar or religion.
9:07
If that be true, then you have my sincere apology. I try to do the right thing.
4:19
You need to try harder.
Sincerely,
CG still lying & whining
4:40
And you need to do as I suggested and go look in your mirror. There you will see the real liar and whiner. Don't be surprised. It's YOU!
mal
I'm sorry for not mentioning you by name. I hope that didn't hurt your feelings.
Cheers.
4:19 apology excepted.
accepted
Mrs. Garner still not talking? I thought I heard she had a lawyer.
Maybe she is going to be the patsy as someone said. Oh I forgot it was suppose to be pasta. laughable
Maybe Mrs. Garner is going to cough up the not missing money.
This is a mystery indeed. That is why to learn more about this, you should watch Radio Appearance of Ed Butowsky on November 27th.
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