The purpose of the "Giles Free Speech Zone" is to identify problems of concern to the people of Giles County, to discuss them in a gentlemanly and civil manner, while referring to the facts and giving evidence to back up whatever claims are made, making logical arguments that avoid any use of fallacy, and, hopefully, to come together in agreement, and find a positive solution to the problem at hand. Help make a difference! Email "mcpeters@usit.net" to suggest topics or make private comments.
posted by Allen Barrett | 9:49 AM
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Yes this is a good topic...only
Problem is where to start?
Overall, Dr Webb has done positive things already.
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Most of the changes have already been discussed on other threads. It's a little late now. The latest change is that Elkton has gotten Donna Cobb as the principal.
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Who is really in charge at the Board of Education? the Board seems to be wheeling and dealing to their drum beat. Webb on a string. Cindy Young moving into number two spot as her husband is chairman of the Board. No politics? Right!
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Danny Hickman out as transportation supervisor. Pam Ogden out as Special Ed director. Braden out as Assistant Director. Gonzales out as Principal of Elkton. Alternative School closed. Two principals at GCHS to get different assignments. Shirey to become person in charge of transportation and maintenance. Janice Franklin named principal of Richland. Micah Landers to become Assistant principal at Richland. More to come....
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A lot of these people let go were ready to retire. Were there any let go and not placed in another position?
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This Cindy Young promotion wagon needs to stop! I will refrain from saying more, but I'm pretty certain that she is where she is because of blood, not because of talent.
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Just because you are near retirement does not justify letting you go because you are near that point. None were anticipating being let go by the new director. It pays to have friends and relatives in high places.
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There is a big difference in ready to retire and forced to retire. A school employee can retire after 30 years so basically most teachers can retire in early to mid 50's. Most are not ready at that age. Wanting to retire and being shown the door are two different things.
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What about a new thread on why Obama and his gorgeous health-conscious wife are on a $100 million dollar trip to Africa at the taxpayers' expense?
Surely, that can't be blamed on Mrs. Vanzant, Terry Harwell, or David Rackley?
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Had some of these people already retired then working on the 120 day deal?
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8:17 Do you want to blame that on WAB?
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8:35
You're the only one who mentioned Barrett. Why so defensive?
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It's not necessarily the fact that these people were let go, it's the way it was done. It takes months to get your retirement set up from the school system and most of these were told with merely days left for them to actually be employed. If they put in the years to be able to retire they should have earned enough respect to be told with adequate time to get their retirement in order-especially if they aren't old enough to draw Medicare!
We (people who do not work in the school system) and from what I understand even those that do work for the BOE still don’t know who all was let go. How do we know that is all that is going to be let go? Why does it seem everything is so hush hush? Most of the changes I know are because I read it here on this blog or by word of mouth. Odgen and the contract employees were reported about through the local news, why no one else? Who will be doing what and what new face will be in the necessary positions? Any answers to these questions would be much appreciated.
And about those who feel the need to trash talk-they need to be ignored and maybe they will go away! It seems it’s only done intending to stray away from the subject at hand.
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The changes today find Mrs. Swinford being placed in a first grade position at PES. Jennifer Hood, Mike and Cindy's daughter will be working at Southside. Cindy Young is Manager of Instruction. What? Tell me she knows more than some of the people she will supposedly have supervision over this year. What a ....... joke! Has Mr. Shirey ever bought tires and axles for a bus? Where is Webb? He in not in the office. Oh yeah, you have to make an appointment to see him. It's like walking on eggs shells to see who is next to depart. Much more and there won't be anyone who will want to work in this system. For those who think that good moves are being made. Look at it this way. If you don't know how to dance, someone claiming they can dance looks like they know what they're doing. Enough.
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4:15
Perhaps you need to send "the reporter" up there for an exclusive story? For Pete's sakes, aren't you people happy with anything?
Why the hatred toward Cindy Young? Is it because Mike had what it took to gain an elected position? Isn't this really after all just more jealousy and resentment? I thinbk it is.
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5:56
Go in to work tomorrow and and have your boss say that it's your last day without any notice. Let's see how you like it.
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6:24
Send the reporter up there.
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Cindy Young is Manager of Instruction???!!? With zero experience being a principal and only one year being a supervisor? I have nothing against her or anyone else personaly but if you take that out and just look at qualifications. Its hard to see how she can be thought the right person for the job when most of the others who have more experience and knowledge in being a leader. I don't have to deal with her much but most of the teachers in my school cringe when they see her coming because she wants everyone to do things and teach only the way she wants. This is the most shocking news yet. As bad as I hate to say it it is 100% obvious why she got the job and its not because of ability. As for Webb so far I think he has done some good things but I can't agree with this choice at all. there are others more qualified and who would be better at it based on personality only even without that.
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5:56
You hit the nail on the head. It IS because her husband was elected to the board. It is only since then she has been moving up. She applied for nearly every principal or supervisor job that came open before that and got nothing but not any more. Coincedence? NOT! And no, no hating people going on here at all. Just hate the politics,that people use politics to get ahead when they cant do it any other way.
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Why is there not talk about who the Special Education Director is? The job listing has been taken off of the website and I know many parents of special needs children in the district would like to know who is going to be overseeing their child's education. I can think of a few Special Ed. teachers who would be highly qualified for the position but it seems as though Dr. Webb had the position filled before it was even posted.
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Did Mike Young get elected because he was good, or because no one ran against him?
Either way, Cindy Young is not talented enough to be in a supervisory role.
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7:11 - 7:25
Why are you so angry and seemingly jealous? And just how do you know Cindy is not qualified to be in a supervisory role? She's been a supervisor for years. Get over the envy and hate.
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As I've stated before, here's what I believe is at the heart of the hatred and resentment we have been seeing here in Giles County for the past few years. I believe there's a small but unhappy group of people here who apparently thought they could take over and run things, and it just didn't happen. At this point, I don't think it ever will, because people have become wise to what they were trying to do. Therein lies the resentment and jealousy. That's too bad, and thank God for smart voters who have proven over and over that we are not nearly as ignorant as suspected.
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Cindy has been a supervisor for ONE year. She was just a consulting teacher before that and she only got that because everyone at MHS wanted her gone because she's always meddling in everyone else's business. She has less experience and ability than ANY of the other supervisors. And she spent most of her time this year hanging out in the school's gossiping. Guess all that nice new furniture she got for her office at the start of the year wasn't nice enough to keep her there. Except when her family was there usually doing her work for her.
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8:52
Where have you been? Cindy has NOT been a supervisor for any number of years. Last year, she was given the job of Sup of Instruction K-6. As the previous poster stated, she begged for leader roles for years and did not get it because we all know her ability..zero!
As for Special Ed, someone already in place has been assigned that role. It's not Braden either.
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Both 9:54 posts are accurate.
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Cg just takes up for everyone except Obama and WAB.
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So who is the spec Ed director now-?
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If "someone already in place" has been assigned that role, then name names! It has been told that nobody in Giles Co. met the qualifications and that Dr. Webb WAS going out of county to hire someone for that position.
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10:11
Don't sound so demanding. It has been done. You will hear in a day or so. Stay tuned.
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They did not do right by Danny Hickman. He was pushed out and didn't even know until someone else told him. Dr. Webb didn't even have the wherewithal to man up and tell Danny himself. I think those who are out are lucky to be out. We're going to see a lot of bad things continue to happen to the school system.
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10:27
I agree. All the S... has not hit the fan yet. The county will be sorry. Watch and Wait.
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I didn't see the post as being demanding...but if someone has been assigned to the position, why be so secretive about it? I think we, as parents of special needs kids, deserve the right to know who is going to be in charge of our children's special needs.
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Mrs. Brown is the special ed director.
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9:54
I would hate to be someone like Cindy who obviously has enemies out there who would talk badly about her behind her back...or anonymously as you did. But isn't that the climate on this blog anyhow? All the resentment and hate being spewed here is not doing anybody any good.
I thought Cindy was a supervisor during the time she was a consulting teacher. My mistake. I admit when I'm wrong.
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Perhaps Mike got his job because of Cindy? And the people in Mike's district elected and have re-elected him and apparently think he's doing a good job. Oh, but not good enough for the disgruntled few, right?
Here's the deal. Mike and Cindy Young are good people, and trying to hurt them is just another good reason why this trashy blog should be shut down. And NO, I am neither friends with nor related to the Youngs.
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If Mrs Brown is the Spec.Ed director, lord help those kids.She was not as qualified as some that I know put in applications for the job. This is just another sign of the "yes man" outfit that Webb is putting around himself.
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6:33
Oh, and now the disgruntled are after Mrs. Brown? What's wrong with her? Why doesn't she meet YOUR standards? Doesn't she hold a PhD or very close to it?
So who will be next? You people don't like Dr. Webb, Cindy Young, or Mrs. Brown. I'm sure there will be others added as we go along.
Perhaps Dr. Webb will figure out who the insider spy is up there, and get rid of her!
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6:47 said “You people don't like Dr. Webb, Cindy Young, or Mrs. Brown.” I don’t read anywhere anything to support this statement. To question someone’s ability or qualification for a job position is NOT a personal attack on them or means you dislike that person. Citizens as taxpayers have every right to question the qualifications and abilities of people who hold positions that are paid with our tax dollars-THESE ARE NOT PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANIES. Should these comments lean to personal attacks NO? If you have children would it not be in their best interest to have the best and most qualified people working with and for them?
As far as Rose Brown this is not a new shoe she trying on she has held this position in the past and let me say she will not be a pushover like the previous director.
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To 9:12 smart voters? How do you perceive that? The state of the county would prove how smart Giles county voters are and if you would stop and look around you could actually see the mess this county is in-talk of a wheel tax or raising taxes again. Why, because those in charge right now are not looking out for the best interest of all.
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7:187:19
When I said you people do not like Dr. Webb, Cindy Young, or Mrs. Brown, I did NOT say you were personally attacking them, although reference was made to Cindy's being a gossip as an example of a personal attack.
If you are unhappy with these people, why don't you contact the school board? Or better yet, why don't you go right up there on the hill and discuss your concerns face-to-face with these individuals? What good does it do to talk badly about them on this blog?
Now, as for the smart voters of Giles County, I thank God for them. And I disagree with your assessment of the people who are running our county. Are you jealous of them? I know some of you are. There's just not enough money around to pay the bills, and that has been no secret.
I don't see how you can make an accusation that those in charge are not looking out for our best interests. If they aren't, then why do the people keep re-electing them? Isn't that why you guys wanted term limits...to get those out of the way your people couldn't defeat at the polls? I think it is. Yes, we have a lot of smart voters in the county. They see through all this.
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I agree about the personal attacks. You should look at qualifications and job performance only. Cindy is probably the least qualified of the supervisors. Job performance, ask people in the know how often she was "missing" during work hours. Trips to schools for half-hour meetings and she is gone for hours. Ask principles and teachers how often she was in their schools chatting it up and keeping tabs on everything and everyone. Ask how often she spends work time having her family visit at work and sitting around talking on tax payers time and money. Ask what all she said about Webb before he was hired and how the tune changed after he was hired.
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8:37
Sounds like you are in the know about this. Could it be you are just a teeny-weeny bit jealous of Cindy? Just asking.
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8:54
I do not have a teaching degree so I would not qualify for her job even if I wanted it which I certanly would not. You have to want something someone else has in order to be jealous. I am just in a place to hear and see what really goes on and you would be surprised. I pay taxes and don't like seeing my tax dollars abused. I tried to limit my statements to the job not the person. The latest news, she has been given her own secretary. Mrs. Braden was number two for years without one and did an amazing job. Such a slap in her face to be replaced by someone unqualified and a lot of people feel that way. Talk to the principles and ask them who really does the work up on the hill.
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Telling the truth about Cindy is not gossip.........in fact the truth is something she has a hard time telling. Those that work with her KNOW she makes up 'stuff' and states 'information' that is WRONG like it is a fact. Supervisor???? Really???? We are in serious trouble. Cindy's reputation has reached far places like Nashville. Ask TEA what they think of her...I was told personally by a TEA person she cannot be trusted by what she says. Not gossip....just the facts. Politics got her in and politics will get her out.
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7:32
Why is it you ask others to confront people face to face they "are unhappy with" when you are obviously to afraid to take your own advice. You are "unhappy with" Barrett and others on this blog but have you asked one for a face to face meeting?
You have blatantly lied about some people on this blog I hold very close and I would like a personal face to face with you. I'll be happy to sign my name when I find out who you are. But I will not subject myself to being attacked by a coward under a veil of anonymity like I have seen you do others.
Any time you want to come out of that coward shell and sign your name I can assure you we will be having a face to face within a couple of hours maximum.
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9:40
My, but you are seething. Are you typing this on taxpayer time or do you have a friend or relative at the Central Office who reports things to you? Why don't you give your name so Mrs. Young can confront YOU?
I don't feel a need to confront because...you know what? I'm not on this blog accusing people of serious wrongs.
Look, you can threaten all you want about assuring me of a face-to-face confrontation, but I'm just not up for that. And you may call me a coward til the cows come home, but let me ASSURE YOU that I don't really fear anyone anymore...other than God and His Judgment. What about that? Can you not see why this blog is a source of hatred?
Having said all that, I'd like you to name one person I have told a lie about. Thank you.
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10:53
My 9:40 post is the first I have written today so I don't know what crap you are talking about. I addressed your post because it is hypocritical because I have read where you accused people of doing wrong and that is why I take issue with you as stated in my 9:40 post. I truly find you disgusting and I do not know Cindy nor have I posted anything on this blog concerning her. Unlike you I do not post about things I do not know about or have a concern about when it comes to the way my taxes are being spent and this county is being governed. Like I stated previously the day I find out who you are it is guaranteed we will have a face to face.
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11:09
You may threaten all you want, but I will not run from you should that day come. But bring your lunch. You suggest violence, and this is a prime example of why this stinking blog ought to be shut down!
You guys just can't stand it when anyone stands opposed to your way of thinking.
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No threat 11:26. Just stating a fact.
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And 11:26 where in any of my posts did I suggest violence? This is exactly what I am talking about. Don't get me wrong I am more than happy to oblige you if it is a fist fight you want but you read my posts in error as you do so many others. See you soon.
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Friday, June 28, 2013 8:54:00 AM
Why is it you can't handle it when people tell the truth about anyone?
Don't you want to ask questions about our governor and president?
According to you there are a lot of spies in Giles County, courthouse now central office. I bet they are hovering over Giles County in space ships.
There isn't anything wrong in telling others or questing how our tax dollars are spent. Get over it.
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12:09/12:11
Yes, I believe you did suggest violence with your so-called face-to-face meeting if you find out who I am. I don't go looking for trouble, but you can bet the farm that I won't run from it either.
A fist fight? How childish.
Can you not see where this blog is a dangerous thing that's likely to cause some serious problems someday? Where is the blogmaster on this? Oh, I suppose he's off on assignment.
I can always handle truth, but it's just that I don't agree with the same thing you call truth. Calling people nasty names and trying to ruin them in the community is NOT my idea of truth.
But I happen to agree with you about questioning how our tax dollars are spent. You see, I too pay taxes and do not want to see them squandered. Mr. Jackson and Mr. Speer come to mind here, for some reason.
You guys keep saying elected officials are not spending money wisely. Perhaps true in some instances, but I also know the costs of doing business have skyrocketed. What do you expect them to do? What about counterfeiting some new money? Would that make you happy?
No, I never said there were lots of spies in the courthouse, but I have heard there's at least one in the courthouse and one at the annex. It's hearsay I know, but a LOT of people believe it to be true. Oh, but it can't be true since you guys didn't say it, right?
You need to calm down and stop acting like a child. Do you even realize the source of your anger?
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I'm getting a little tired of the coward comments because people post annonymously. It is obviously a huge part of this blog, and unless changes are made to require a signature, it will continue.
Get a hold of your anger and personal feelings. Some people just like to pull strings. Don't fall for it!
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I have heard it told before that Cindy Young went to a principle and demanded favoritism. Her comment, so I'm told, was that her (weak)husband was the director of schools.
She is not qualified nor capable of perfroming the job functions.
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1:51
12:09 was mine and don't try to twist this. You brought the thought of violence into it with your statement "bring your lunch" which every one knows is only used in conjecture of a physical altercation. The fact you can not show any where in my posts any threat of a physical altercation shows what a liar you are and how your twisted mind works. Only you and those you worship resort to violence when rational discussion of fact can take place. Your anger consumes you with any one expressing opposing views of your heroes who abuse their positions. You are so sick you twist others words to justify your lies. The fact you ever interpreted violence from my posts is all on you, but as you started the line of violence as I stated I will oblige you any day because I personally find you a trashy, disgusting, twisted individual. See you soon.
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I think Dr. Webb is great.
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What I don't understand, Dr Webb has come in, presented a balanced budget, saved as many jobs as he could, increased the amount the system is paying for insurance, and y'all are still unhappy. He made changes, get over it. Some people lost there jobs, I understand they were people on 120 day contracts, they didn't need to be there anyway. And finally, he demote a department head who didn't know her but from a hole in the ground. I am happy with what he has done.
I do think he could have informed Danny Hickman about what was happening first.
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2:55
And I think you are nuts. I'm not trying to twist anything. You are the one who said I could be assured of a face-to-face confrontation if you found out who I am. How childish.
See me soon? How must I interpret that? You are not welcome at my house, so I don't plan on seeing you anywhere and at anytime.
It's just a shame that you allow hatred to consume you.
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1:51 I realize the source of my anger, "cg always coming back at people with silly statements and saying he's not upset."
I posted 12:11 only on this thread.
I think you are the one needs to calm down and stop acting like a child.
when anyone says anything about the on you love you go into overdrive.
I don't know if 1:52 was also your post but the last sentence was a good one, give it a try.
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I think Giles county needed a director who didn't ave friends in Giles county he had to please.
Some things Web has done leaves questions, "Did he really not tell Hickman he was being relieved or fired?"
When people have relatives in a high place it is always thought that help them get what they wanted. I know Cindy Young, enough said there.
Did Bobbie McMasters loose her job or is that a rumor?
Lots of school systems are having to let people go.
When I became of retirement age I retired so a younger person could get a job and think others should too.
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3:32
Your anger at me is because I stand opposed to name-calling, smutty accusations, and attempts to destroy those who don't agree with your way of thinking. It's just that simple. Live with it. I tolerate you without calling you names and such.
As I have said before, the real problem is that you folks thought you could just waltz right in and take over and tell the rest of us what's best and how we should live. Sorry, but that's never going to work out for you. Gert over it and try to get along with people. You might find that a better way to conduct yourself.
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3:09
I don't disagree. Some of his changes have been very positive and we're long overdue, including some personnel changes. But others have me scratching my head and saying what??? Demoting Debbie Braden and putting Cindy Young in her place? Where other than a alternate universe does that make sense? I have heard rumors that changes for Brown, Mcmasters, Chunn, B. Holt, and Swinford may be next. I don't know if those will be promotion's or demotions. I just don't see change just for the sake of change, especially when it involves good hard working qualified people like some of these. Maybe they will all be good changes, we will see. But Cindy Young as number 2? Yikes. That is really scary.
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I don't know that Cindy Young is number 2. I have heard rumors, and that is all. I haven't had a chance to ask either Cindy or Debbie. I'm not sure how Cindy will do, but, give her a chance. He made some really good changes though, Gonzales out of Elkton is the best.
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Debbie Braden is demoted no longer number 2 and now Bobbie McMasters is fired? DID I READ THAT RIGHT? Two of the smartest and most experienced and qualified people up there? I am beyond shocked. They were the two I always called on when I needed help, and always got it. And if I'm not mistaken the only two who have principal experience. Please tell me this is not true!!!! Cindy never helps she just dictates. What is happening up there?
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3:52
Following were my two responses to your Friday, June 28, 2013 7:32:00 AM post in which you stated "If you are unhappy with these people, why don't you contact the school board? Or better yet, why don't you go right up there on the hill and discuss your concerns face-to-face with these individuals?" So tell me liar, where I stated, implied, or led any one to believe I wanted anything to do with violence. It is your twisted mind that led to where the conversation. I told you before, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/confront, use it.
7:32
Why is it you ask others to confront people face to face they "are unhappy with" when you are obviously to afraid to take your own advice. You are "unhappy with" Barrett and others on this blog but have you asked one for a face to face meeting?
You have blatantly lied about some people on this blog I hold very close and I would like a personal face to face with you. I'll be happy to sign my name when I find out who you are. But I will not subject myself to being attacked by a coward under a veil of anonymity like I have seen you do others.
Any time you want to come out of that coward shell and sign your name I can assure you we will be having a face to face within a couple of hours maximum.
Friday, June 28, 2013 9:40:00 AM
10:53
My 9:40 post is the first I have written today so I don't know what crap you are talking about. I addressed your post because it is hypocritical because I have read where you accused people of doing wrong and that is why I take issue with you as stated in my 9:40 post. I truly find you disgusting and I do not know Cindy nor have I posted anything on this blog concerning her. Unlike you I do not post about things I do not know about or have a concern about when it comes to the way my taxes are being spent and this county is being governed. Like I stated previously the day I find out who you are it is guaranteed we will have a face to face.
Friday, June 28, 2013 11:09:00 AM
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Fairly sure Braden demotion is true. First move was to replace her with Cindy. Don't know about McMasters being fired, this is first I've heard about that. Wouldn't be a smart move on Webb's part if it's true. She has family and friends in very high places. Though from all accounts she;s never used that to get ahead. Think both of these ladies records speak for themselves.
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11:09
So it's ok for Barrett and his buddy to accuse me of promoting wrongdoings but not ok for anyone to make the same statement about him....or you? Doesn't that seem a bit hypocritical?
Exactly who have I accused of doing wrong, other than those who seek to destroy and hurt people? And all I have asked them to do is to stop it.
You need to stop threatening me right now. I don't bully and I will not be bullied. I am trying my best to live a clean life before God, but I WILL NOT stand for being run over.
I made copies of your posts...just in case.
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Just got an email that Mr. Holt is out too. Ann Oaks in as principal.
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I don't know about Cindy, but you certainly named one dictator in your post. Bobbie McMasters was the poorest excuse for a principal that Richland ever had, and I was there since day one. She was hateful, crass and power hungry. I think Dr. Webb show remarkable judgement in ridding the school system of her. Keep it up, Doc, you're doing great.
Ray
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Remember Andy's deputy Barney...Cindy.
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For those who are happy that Gonzo is out of Elkton, I hate to tell you but he was moved up to the Central Office to mess with the whole system instead of just one school.
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Good luck using your copies to any advantage. Any judge worth his salt will look at a threat to an anonymous poster from an anonymous poster for what it is; two children poking each other in the chest on the playground. Grow a pair or two and sign your names if you want to be taken seriously.
Ray
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Ray...
You are probably right, but I just don't appreciate being threatened because my views differ from his. This guy just never lets up on me for that.
Last time I looked, this is still called Giles Free Speech Zone. Has there been a name change to "Speak Only If You Agree With Barrett Zone"? Just kidding.
Take care, Ray.
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What will happen at Elkton? Will yearly visitors to our square have an indoor facility to use?
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You might find that a better way to conduct yourself.
Friday, June 28, 2013 3:52:00 PM
That was good advice why don't you take it.
I don't call people names or go around trying to destroy anyone.
Your ignorant way is what I don't like. Thinking you know what others think is childish. I'm wondering if you know anything.
Yes I posted 3:32, you can't take it when someone points out your faults, can you?
You are always asking others if they know who caused their angry so that silly question is also why I said cg.
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8:47 Then ask yourself who is primarily responsible for the hatred and divisiveness we now have in Giles County?
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7:24
Then quit lying on here because that is all you do and then act a victim. That is why you could not show any post of violence until after you introduced it and started trying to act like you are bad when you are a coward. You are pathetic.
So you need to remember this is a free speech blog and I have every right that you do. Even calling you on your lies.
See you soon.
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9:00
No, my troublemaking friend (nemesis), you will NOT be seeing me soon and stop threatening me with your small-minded foolishness. You are the one who introduced the suggestion of a face-to-face confrontation. I don't want anything to do with the likes of you, but trust me when I tell you that, should that day come, I will not flinch. I have tried so hard to overlook your apparent stupidity, but this is over the top.
I'm still waiting on you to name one lie I have told. I think you are just angry with me because I call on troublemakers like you to give it up and act like a member of the human race.
By the way, where is the blogmaster on this? Threatening another who posts here should not be allowed. But then again, neither should attempts to destroy others in the eyes of the community.
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I was so in hopes this thread wouldn't turn into one about CG.
It could be one that tells what is going on.
Did Bobbie McMasters really get demoted? That question is neither for or against her, just a rumor I heard and wanted to know if true. The next question would be why if true?
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Mr. Holt is out as principal....Ann Oaks is Principal at Pulaski Elem. Carol Swinford is taking a 1st grade position (Ms. Laxon retired), Donna Cobb is Principal at Elkton,both high schools revamped so there is one principal and one assistant principal like it used to be, Alternative school shut down, Gonzoles got moved to the Hill, Dr. Ogden released to be replaced by Rose Brown, and a balanced budget without loss of teachers. Granted it's change, and this county is terrified of change, this may be a positive thing for the county.
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9:27
This thread is not about me but rather a troublemaker who refuses to leave me alone. He is the one who wants to make it about me.
In considering that, I just came to a conclusion...a Eureka Moment if you will. That guy constantly torments me because he has nothing better to do. Why didn't I realize that earlier and understand that he has to keep something going with me so he can feel worthwhile and useful? Perhaps he is even trying to impress the one he so admires? I don't know.
Frankly, I'd like to see an end to his constant badgering and even threatening me, but looks like it's not going to stop anytime soon.
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9:27 I forgot to mention a word of caution about rumors. These people frown upon that.
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Who is replacing Ms. Brown?
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Please stay on topic. If you want to fight about nonsense, take it somewhere else. This is an important thread.
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Ogden not really gone. Listen for details later.
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Ogden was fired.
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Neither McMasters or Holt were fired. Too my understanding she will be in charge of evaluating all the principals and he will be evaluating the teachers. I haven't heard anything official yet, but that's what I was told. I don't know if that would be considered a demotion, maybe a promotion or just a change in assignment.
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If Holt is out, position must be advertised, fed law. If Brown is out, position must also be advertised, unless eliminated or maybe combined. Surely not though. Don't think Mrs. Young has a new position, just a new office. Curious about McMasters. Anybody have facts on that? Brown was runner up for Director's position. Don't think she would have been puppet for the board. Sounds like that is going to cost her! She has done a good job in current position as far as I can tell. Haven't heard complaints from public. Was new position created for Gonzo? Don't think it was advertised either. Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen to me! Just a few random thoughts and questions.
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Ogden not really gone. Listen for details later.
Jobs don't have to be posted. You need to look that one up since there is no contract or negotiations ability with teachers.
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9:19
Why when you suggest a face to face it is not violent but when I suggest we have a face to face or I suggest you go have a face to face with Barrett it is? You have a lot of issues with Barrett. Wouldn't it be better if you took your own advice and go discuss face to face your problems with Barrett as opposed to attacking him anonymously? Or do you want to continue as a hypocrite?
As I showed in my 6:58 post you are a liar. But again you try to twist it so you are now the victim. Poor persecuted enabler. Just show one word in the posts before you tried to act bad with "bring your lunch". You can't so you are a liar and everything you accuse Barrett of being.
See you soon.
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10:26
Drop it and move on. If all else fails, call each other and do what needs to be done to one another.
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So if Holt is evaluating the teachers the principals want have too. I know they will be proud of that.
Did a new position have to be made for Holt and McMasters for that? Just wondering.
Unknown said...
Hey CG, sometimes you just have to be the bigger man and let the troll have the bridge. I am, however, better at giving advice than taking it. You take care as well.
Ray
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10:26
As I said, it finally occurred to me what you are all about. You need this ongoing saga with me to give you something to do and to make you feel worthwhile in some weird way. Maybe you need someone of your own to hate...namely me. In that respect, you can be like your hero. That's sick.
As for your face-to-face, I took it that you wanted to knuckle up. Thinking that, I suggested that you bring your lunch, because that would be an all-day job for you. But regardless, I have no desire to meet with you. We have nothing to talk about and obviously nothing in common.
I noticed that you just had to call me an enabler again. I think you insist on promoting the lie Allen Barrett told on me for the very same reasons I mentioned above. You need the drama. That's sick.
Now can we move on? I too am interested in the changes in our local education system. If you will simply leave me alone, I promise that I will never say another word to you. Is it a deal? I hope so.
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Ray..
Thanks. You're cool, and I have pretty much reached that same conclusion. Have a good day.
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absolutely no one has been fired! Jobs are being moved around. Vacancies have been posted before they were filled. Danny Hickman had the offer to go back to the classroom and he turned that down. It has all been legal. Dictated by the board, more than likely all these moves have been done through the back door by the board. There has been nothing illegal done in any of these moves. More to come? Who knows.
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I thought an angency that accepted federal funds had certain guidelines that had to be followed, i.e. job postings, due process for terminations. involuntary transfers, etc. I am just asking, I don't know. Does anyone? I didn't think it had anything to do with the teachers losing the right to negotiate, along with all their other reasonable employment rights. I do wonder what the news is talking about when it speaks of the "powerful" teacher's unions!
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Teachers and "teacher unions" have no power at all in Tennessee any longer. The governor and legislature has shown it can hurt anyone who does not vote for them. No one realizes the damage that has been done to the teacher profession in the last two years. No one is going to want to get into teaching with all the losses of rights that have occured.
The problem with what has happened in Giles County is not what was done, but HOW it has been done. The Board is cowardly in the background telling Webb what moves to make. When are they meeting? That is another issue. Much of the hearsay and confusion that has developed is the lack of communication from the director. He is not in the office and when he is, you must make an appointment with him. Take your chances that he makes the appointment. He has already stood people up waiting on him to show up. He somehow forgot he had an appointment after he called for it. Cheatham County all over again (in Giles County). For those of you who don't know exactly what you are talking about, don't get on here and use conjecture. That only hurts the information. Find the truth before you post of guess what's going on in the school system.
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6:35
Obviously you want to keep this going. My issues are with you and previous lies you have spread on this blog, as I stated earlier. When you twist and read as much as you do into others words to change the meaning and then take the stance as you have, then you have serious mental problems. I see you could not find any relation to violence in my post but as you stated " I took it that you wanted to knuckle up". That is all on you and shows the type of white trash you are? I find your following self inflating comments in regards to the toughness of your fiber very comical. Some one asks for a face to face and your sick twisted mind starts getting scared because you think some one wants to fight you. Normal people do not gravitate toward violence but you do sicky. I only want to put a face with the white trash and clear some things up very quickly because I will have something way better in store for you than violence. Our face to face will happen.
I'll let you have the last word on this today, maybe.
See you soon.
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I think the school board is responsible for some changes but not all. Everyone knows Cindy Young has been out to get rid of Ogden and Holt for years. She talked about it to anyone who would listen. She don't like Oaks either, so we'll see how long she lasts as principal. Brown should watch her back, she may be next. Cindy has complained to alot of people about how she thinks she don't have enough to do. If you look at other changes, you will see that those being demoted or moved around are all in positions that she applied for but did not get. Jealousy much? If she cant control you you will be gone.Just wait for others. Her goal has always been power and now she has it. If you don't think she is in Webb's ear influencing these changes, just wait to see who else gets the knife in the back. I know some are already feeling it.
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10:26
No, I don't think you will be seeing me anytime soon. I interpreted what you said as a threat, and I have made copies of them just in case I need them. Oh, and rest assured you do not scare me at all. So just let it go and quit acting like a clown. Ok?
I'm disappointed that the "blogmaster" is silent on this. Does he condone this sort of thing?
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I think Dr Webb is doing an awesome job so far. We support him all the way cause this is what this school system needed for so long - someone with a backbone! I bet there will be a much different environment in all schools this coming year.
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Bye Bye Ol' Bill!!!! you know you had it coming
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How do you say he has a backbone when he's clearly doing the bidding of Young and the school board. And i guess that "forced retirement" isn't technically firing.
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if Bill Holt accepts the demoted position, Dr Webb needs to make sure he does not have him evaluating teachers at PES - that would not be right. i can tell you that the teachers at the other schools will by crying "Foul" if that happens.
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Those of you talking about Holt being in charge of all teacher evaluations DO NOT understand the evaluation process. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY Holt or ONE person can evaluate all teachers in the system. The paperwork is OVERWELMING and there is not enough time. (The principals hardly have enough time to evaluate the personnel in their buildings.)
Also, the ONE 'power' ALL TN public school director's have IS to MOVE staff to ANY position that person is qualified for 'for the good of the school system'. Try reading TN Code Annotated about public school directors. If the Director desires and the local BOE disagrees, the Director CAN still transfer personnel....no matter if it is 'involuntary' or not. Any employee with tenure MUST be offered another position when that person is told he/she will no longer have the job they currently have, according to their qualifications. If that person refuses to take the position offered, then that person KNOWS they ARE OUT. And that's the nature of the beast.....
I think Dr. Webb, for the most part, has made some VERY needed changes. Have heard for years the Central Office is 'top heavy'. Well, it just got a 'hair cut'.
Also, Dr. Webb eliminated the SECRET $4,000 principal ANNUAL bonus...THANK YOU! I am SURE most, if not all, teachers and paraprofessionals had NO idea the BOE voted and PASSED last school year. Dr. Webb also reduced the cost of health insurance for BOE employees. THANK YOU!
The jury is still out, but I don't think Dr. Webb is the BOEs puppet or fool enough to let Cindy Young jump when Young calls jack rabbit. Her reputation speaks for itself....I have not heard ONE person speak well of her for years.
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Can the director make up new positions like evaluator and fill it without a posting? Don't know the answer, just asking.
How is it a hair cut, if new people are coming into the central office to fill new positions? If you look at other counties the central office was not top heavy.
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2:52pm
Not sure what you mean by 'evaluator' position?? As for creating 'new' positions without posting.....well, how did Cindy Young get up there??
It appears many jobs are being combined, as were in the 'old' days. It also seems all 120 hour people have been let go?? If so, the Central Office did get a 'hair cut'. Gosh, it was common talk among BOE employees how 'top heavy' the Central Office has been for years.
As for other counties.....not sure what's up with them. Hard enough to keep up with Giles for the past several years. I do know the other counties HAVE given their BOE employees pay raises over the years and Giles HAS NOT.
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Webb took his $4000.00 without giving it back. It was a part of their performance contract. Ask any principal to see his/hers. He got a hefty bonus in his salary did he not?
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6:26 Are you sure Webb got the bonus? It would probably come with the last check of the year and he was already director by then. He did not even know anything about the bonus until he looked at the budget. Give Dr. Webb a chance and maybe next year when things have settled down he can work on raises. You have to give him a chance to prove himself. He came in too late to completely redo the salary schedule. That would have been too much at one time since salaries are such a large part of the budget. He needs to gain the trust of the commission since they are ultimately the ones that hold the purse strings.
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The performance bonus for principals has been in place for several years and it was not a secret. I think that was a state option but not sure. 6:26 is right, check records to see what TOTAL salary was for all principals last year. I heard last night that Donna Abernathy will be evaluating middle school teachers, Bill Holt will do the elementary, and Bobbie McMasters will have high school and principals. Can anyone verify that? And yes that Cindy Young is the second in command now. She can't even conduct a inservice without rambling and loosing her train of thought. I sat through enough of them to know. How is she going to be a leader for the schools? It's a shame when good people are treated like nothing and inexperienced people are put in their place. Please pray for our children and our schools!
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At first I was happy with what I heard Dr. Webb was doing and the changes. But if what is on here is true than some of these make no sense at all. NONE.
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If Cindy Young is the new second in command, doesn't that mean she will be getting a fat pay increase? Her husband on the board, how is that not a huge conflict of interest? Did Mike make promises to other board members to vote for what they wanted in exchange to push Webb for moving her up, just for the extra money? You can't help but wonder.
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Why can everyone not wait and give both Dr. Webb and Cindy Young a chance. Give it a semester before you start criticizing.
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Think about a child losing a semester and how far he has gotten behind. A semester? That's a long time. 8:46, you give far too much credit to those you speak of in your post. Don't be SO gullible. I bet you don't work in the school system either. It's hard to know exactly unless you work from within. I alos pray for the school system. WE ARE IN TROUBLE!
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Cindy has been taking advantage of a lot of things over the last several months. She knows and others do too.
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8:55 NO the 'performance bonuses' for principals HAS NOT 'been in place for years'. If so, it would HAVE to have been an under the table deal. It has ONLY been one, MAYBE two, years since teachers lost the right to bargain benefits. That means - if principals got a raise/bonus, teachers MUST get a raise/bonus. (Same percent same monies whatever was offered) It was the LAW and EVERYONE in education knew it. NO THANKS to our TERRIBLE governor, teachers lost the right to bargain benefits and thus the BOE CAN distribute benefits as UNFAIRLY as they have ALWAYS wanted to!! Not ONLY did principals get a $4,000 bonus, everyone's insurance rates increased (another benefit). MANY THANKS to Dr. Webb for RIGHTING a WRONG!! I heard, just heard, one principal did not take the bonus - my guess, if true, Webb.....who knows unless THEY handle payroll.
As for giving Cindy Young a chance...she has ALREADY PROVEN OVER AND OVER her sorry work ethic and PURE LACK of ethics. ANYONE who has worked with her KNOWS it IS the TRUTH!
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4:10--You missed your mark on the principals. I know all about the performance contracts. You are not right!
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I've been in several schools in the past few years. I believe we need to give the boot to all that can retire and open up some positions for the younger CROWD. Most of these older, TENURED teachers hobble about, constantly yelling at the kids. What a joke most of them are. Swinford in the first grade? What a waste of a classroom, poor kids.
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6:48
I have said on here several times that people should not post when they don't know what they are talking about when it comes to the school system. If you "boot out" all those who could retire, with whom would you replace them? In the K-6 area, there are an abundance of applicants. Grades 7-12, the number is very limited. Those grades require people to be highly qualified, meaning that they must have specialized in a subject matter to teach. As it is, there are few science teachers, math teachers, Special Ed teachers, or language arts teachers. Many of the social studies teachers are coaches. That seems to be what is most important, finding coaches. Did you notice many of the jobs that were posted were meant for coaches? Now, what about the test scores? Are the students being taught what needs to be taught by someone who is working on offensive and defensive plays rather than teaching the academics? You say "TENURED teachers hobble about." Give a name to some of those people you see hobbling about. I have seen teachers bust their ass to meet the standards that need to be met. You sit back and comment about something you know nothing of and can do nothing to make better. If you have kids, start working with them at home. That would be a start for you. I get sick of teachers being pissed on because DA people have no idea what they must deal with on a daily basis. Now.
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If you have kids show up for everything you possibly can at school. There are always activities going on that parents are invited to and it is pitiful how few parents show up. They are so angry when they find out junior is failing but did they bother to show up at the parent teacher conference. The parents that show up for parent teacher conference are usually the parents whose children are doing well in school. Join the PTO and volunteer for anything you can at school. There are web sites for every school so look at them regularly to see what is going on at your child's school. Read something with your child for 20 minutes a day. I know you work and time is limited but let your child read the cookbook to you while you cook, that counts too. It does not have to be a book. Or while you are cooking or cleaning let your child read to you. In the car play word games with them. Get involved and stop complaining!
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I agree with 6:48! Give'm the boot!
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Aww, the poor teachers being "pissed" on. How sad! That is the profession you chose. Every profession has its ups and downs. You knew what you were walking into when you started! Maybe the TEA and NEA will swoop down and save your precious tenure in which new teachers will not receive (hypocritical, ain't it?). This way you are guaranteed a job and retirement no matter how crappy a teacher you are or how bad you mistreat the kids!
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C'mon! Give the NEA a break will ya? After all, on their list of recommended reading is Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" in which he dedicates the book to Lucifer.
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11:25 must be a dumb-assed repube-i-can.
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11:02 Your attitude is exactly the kind of thing teachers deal with on a daily basis from politicians and the news media, a few administrators, some parents, and many of the students they are trying to teach. It's no wonder that the job has become increasingly difficult in recent years. No one ever thought that education was going to be easy (except maybe those misinformed individuals such as yourself who have never tried it), but in the past at least the efforts that teachers made were appreciated. Rather than making such nasty, snide remarks about teachers, perhaps you should ask what you could do to improve the situation. Tenure was put into place to combat the "good-ole-boy" system that replaced teachers on the whim of the new superintendent every few years. No tenure is or was not a perfect solution, but it did protect good teachers from being ousted in favor of relatives and friends of the administration. At this point, the loss of tenure is the least of problems of teachers. Your kind of malicious attitude, unfair evaluation methods, loss of step raises in favor of merit pay, students who are tested so often that teaching time is limited, having to use personal funds to purchase non-funded items for the classroom- these are the issues facing teachers today. Yes, teachers did choose their profession. They did choose to enroll in colleges or universities. They did this because they had a desire to help the children and the community. They do not deserve the ridicule from the above mentioned parties, yourself included.
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Funny how tenure was supposed to protect from the good ol boy problem, and yet our county an school system is full of a good ol boy system....... Irony
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2:11
Thanks for supporting the teachers. Now you see why the children come to school with such a disrespectful attitude towards their teachers. There are those on here complaining how teachers yell at the kids. It's the only time so many of them are ever corrected. The kids run the homes these days and they expect to come to school doing the same thing. Ignorant people say ignorant things. Teachers are not appreciated. The public has gotten to where they want teachers as baby sitters for their children and not teachers. Come on public, help the teachers. In the long run society is helped if we all help the teachers.
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Trying to change the subject to get away from the original intent of this thread.
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What do the Elkton teachers think about their new principal?
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We are very excited to have her. She will do a great job. What do you think about her?
Allen Barrett said...
There can really be no doubt that "Classroom teachers" get the short end of the stick when it comes to so many different areas. Too many supervisors and others micro-managing. Far too little involvement from family, no home discipline etc, etc. The list is very long and I have been an advocate for the teacher since my children were in school. That doesn't mean that teachers haven't justified some of the criticism against them. Teachers have been far too silent on classroom issues, leaving the ultra liberal unions to focus almost entirely on pay and the liberal agenda. I'll never understand how people allow those who hold vastly different views to represent them.
Respectr is not going top just blow into the classroom one morning it has to be earned and demanded. If you come to school dressed like a slob or slut; if you treat students differently and unequally; if you allow students to like gutter creeps and dress the same without voicing an objection; If students overhear you talking badly about them or other teachers don't expect to be shown much respect. When the student believe you truly care for them and what's best for them they will mostly respond with respect or at least become more open to learning what respect is.
When a supervisor or family member is allowed to disrespect the classroom teacher the students take notice. A person who demands respectful behavior by their words and actions will mostly get it.
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4:26- it's the only time so many of them are ever corrected? Ha ha ha! So yelling at them is OK because they don't get yelled at enough at home? You need to think of better discipline strategies than that! As for the tenure being there to protect us from the good ole boy system- no response to that idiotic statement. To get a damned job here you have to know the right people and "be from here" because heaven forbid they hire someone educated outside this system (until its time to hire the new superintendent)! Just look at the idiots who run our county! Half of them have a high school education, the other half are elected because "their great-granddaddy was a good man."
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I bet someone at Elkton will start complaining about Cobb as soon as a small form of change is implemented, because "I have been teaching for 26 years am hellbent on not changing my old and degenerate ways!"
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Right now I'm just trying to breathe shocked to find that I am fully in agreement with Barrett on his comment. What's next will the sky be full of pigs?
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Respect for teachers and those in the school system should be the way of things. But how can you have respect when someone like Cindy Young becomes assistant director over someone like Debbie Braden who actually has leadership experience and has proven her ability?
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1:32
Perhaps a "mon-idiot" like you should be put in charge of things? Oh, but wait; you would have to be elected, and that's not going to happen, is it? I think the voters of Giles County have done a pretty good job keeping dangerous people out of office.
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Typo...meant "non-idiot".
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7:41 I disagree strongly with 1:32's post but I just have to ask how do you know 1:32 isn't a commissioner?
I've hear a commissioner say something about like that post.
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So 8:15, what part do you disagree with? The yelling at kids part, the good ole boy part, or the born here part?
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Just a little education for a couple of post-ers:
"Tracing the roots of teacher tenure
Decades ago, schoolteachers were denied reasonable freedoms and equality. Discontent over near-tyrannical work conditions built up until, finally, a movement sprouted to protect teachers from getting fired due to frivolous rules. From this wave of labor activism came today's promise of tenure for teachers - a protection that many reformers now feel has outlived its usefulness."
http://www.cde.ca.gov/nr/re/hd/yr1999hd05.asp
2:49:00 PM Ironical or not and 1:32:00 AM idiotic or not this is the reason tenure began.
The frivolous rules included being replaced on the whim of the administration without just cause.
No tenure, like most of the laws in a democratic society,was not perfect. In some cases it did protect undeserving teachers just as some of the laws of the land protect criminals more than victims of crimes. Does this mean we should abolish all laws? No! That would be idiotic...an perhaps a bit ironical.
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As I said a few weeks ago, the S... is hitting the fan now and will get worse. CY has gotten in her head now that she knows more than anyone who has taught or been in administration. Going to get worse before it gets better. Just watch and wait.
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Elkton is excited about Mrs. Cobb, and welcomes her to our school. We look forward to working with someone who respects the faculty for the professionals they are.....
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Has Mr. Holt decided to retire rather than be a county-wide observer of teachers?
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8:44
You are a most vindictive person. Readers should be impressed by how much you know about Cindy's thought processes. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, but I'm sure you're not.
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It sounds like 8:44 has a personal vendetta against Cindy. I don't know what your problem is with Cindy but it really sounds bitter and it can eat you up. I think that she can do a great job. She has not been out of the classroom that long and remembers what teachers go through day to day and has their best interest at heart. I think that Webb and Cindy can make changes for teachers for the good.
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8:44 really does sound like someone filled with hate. I don't know what Cindy could have done to make you feel this way but I hope you can get passed this.
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Why is it that when you simply comment on an observation you're full of hate?
If I see someone walk into the bank holding a shotgun would it be hate that caused me to think a robbery is about to occur? If I see a person who has demonstrated a lack of leadership abilities, not just someone who hasn't been tested as a leader, and that person is put into a very high leadership position why is it hate filled to think that person may have problems in that position? Why can't we just look at the facts without trying to demonize everyone?
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I am not 8:44, nor do I have a personal vendatta against Cindy. She was a poor classroom teacher, she hasn't performed well in her past roles, and she will not perform well in any future roles. It is a shame that she is even considered for these positions with her (weak) husband on the school board. It compounds the bad situation that he is (weak) chairman, expept when there is financial gain for his immediate famliy.
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Why can't we let Cindy try herself at this position. BTW, she is NOT the Second in command. Dr. Webb has set the Central Office up like a business. He is the CEO, Cindy is the CIO (Chief Instructional Officer), and Shirey is the COO. Whether people like it or not, the school system is a business, and it some ways it needs to be run as such. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying are children should be stamped out like factory dolls, but I am saying that educated children are the product that our school system should be producing, and we need leaders that can help produce the best educated children in the country. The school board is like the Board of Directors of a company, they are going to do what they think is right for the stakeholders of that company. They hired who they think is the best CEO. I don't always agree with the board, but I think they made a good choice this time. I do have a question though, how is the board in collusion with Dr. Webb? He works for the Board. If he doesn't do a good job, they fire him. He has it in his contract, no buyout, 60 days and he is gone. Hopefully he will stay for awhile.
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I really like most of the moves that Dr. Webb has made. Our system needed many changes. The one that really concerns me is that Cindy Young is the Chief Instructional Officer. There are two problems with this.
1. She was a poor instructor herself.
2. Her husband is on the school board, and this is sending a bad message.
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9:22 sounds like a board member or relative of one.
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No, 9:22 sounds like someone with common sense. That is a brain function most of you are lacking.
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Put it this way....there is a certain teacher at PES with a "connected" family in Pulaski that can't stand Cindy Young and would love to leave tire marks on her. I'm sure the negative comments are coming from that camp.
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9:22
CIO= Chief Instructional Officer?
What businesses hire Chief Instructional Officers? Or did you mean Chief Information Officer?
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No, I meant Chief Instructional Officer. You model your business plan after the business you have. We have teachers and students. Therefore, Instuctional.
And to the person who commented:
Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:41:00 AM
9:22 sounds like a board member or relative of one.
Why, when someone agrees with the system, even a little, does it have to be a member of the government? Oh well. I'm a private citizen, get over it.
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12:28 I am unfamiliar with the position of CIO in your terms. Can you please provide a brief description of the duties of a CIO?
Thank you.
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Stop being a smartass, 2:12.
Who was arrested with Barrett at the school board meeting a few years ago?
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There are teachers all over the county, not just at PES that have a problem with Cindy Young. She's incompetent in leadership roles, which is proven from the training sessions that she was supposed to be leading. And as far as producing "educated kids", teachers can only do so much without help from parents or caregivers. If guardians aren't making sure homework gets done or checked so that it is done right, how do you expect a child to be "educated"??? If only all parents (yes I'm a parent)would take the time to make sure the child is following up classroom instruction.
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5:29
Or should I refer to you as white trash? Sorry that I asked a question that interfered with all the trash who are defaming a person and attacking a woman's physical appearance. Please some of you brave white trash souls should be so brave as to identify yourself so you can see every ones opinion of you. I bet it would be not so flattering.
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But when certain teachers at PES have family connections to county officials....this could cause a major conflict.
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If you want, you can identify yourself and I will let you have the opportunity to call me white trash to my face, 7:13. You know, since you appear to be so brave. I have heard that it isn't libel if it is true. I don't know the woman, but I have heard plenty over the years and it isn't very flattering.
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7:50
Sure you would dumb ass. Because you are so brave. You don't like being called trash, quit posting like it.
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The problem here is that so many people who have worked with this woman know of her abilities, work ethic and leadership. So much that has been said is true. Being an instructional leader over people who know so much more than she does only hurts morale. It's like telling a first grader to teach a chemistry class at the high school level.
To remove Braden like she was not able to continue her job in that capacity is also a slap in her face. She may not have wanted the added pressure, but she still deserved more than heading up the HR department. Too much, too soon and not enough thought into the process.
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Come on, 7:50, I'll show you mine if you show me yours. But of course, that ain't gonna happen. You might have to back up some of your brave words if you exposed your trashy self. Just another example of anonymity allowing your kildee ass to overrun your lion mouth. Must be hard to be you.
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Ok 11:41. Pam Scott, and you?
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Ok 11:41, Jim Granger!
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No fair, 1:17, you're a chick. 1:20, I have my doubts about you. Don't you have a mail-order supply business? Don't play a player, guys.
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It's just a rotten, low-down stinking shame that Cindy is now being attacked by the usual small disgruntled crowd. I think it's pure jealousy and resentment, but isn't that largely what this blog is all about?
Oh well, at least it gives Mrs. Vanzant, Terry Harwell, David Rackley, the election commission save one, and select commissioners and school board members a bit of relief.
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Mrs. Braden was not demoted. Mrs. Braden is doing a lot of what she was already doing! She did not do anything on Common Core or test scores or any of that because that was not her area. She did license and dealt with new hires and etc. The title is the big difference. There is no second in command, no assistant director. Back in the old days we had no assistant director, Jackson did that since he did not want to deal with parents and visitors. Cindy is doing pretty much what she has done in the past, she just changed offices.
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8:00 Thanks for being a descent person and giving a reason. I have no idea if its true or not, but you did give a reason some was wrong.
Where most of the ones like to call the others, attack the person posting instead of giving a reason they are wrong.
I doubt the same ones attacking Cindy Young are the ones that attack Mrs. Vanzant and commissioners, like one poster called "by the usual small disgruntled crowd."
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8:00
You think all Debbie Braden did was work with license and new hires? Unbelieveable. But just for the heck of it, let's say your right. 8:31, you want reasons? What about the other supervisors? Example, Rose Brown and Bobbie McMasters both have more knowledge and experience than Cindy dealing both with instruction and leadership. Both have worked with more grade levels and both have administration experience which Cindy has NEVER had. Even Mr. Jackson wouldn't put her in a principal position! Rose has MANY more years experience at the central office level and has worked with special education and curriculum and common core with the title teachers. Bobbie supervised all grades until last year and worked with common core and test scores and everything that Cindy did plus much more like with the custodians. I've heard presentations from both and Cindy can't hold a candle to either of them. Both of them try to be helpful unlike Cindy who just wants the power. So even if you don't consider Debbie, how on earth did Cindy get promoted over those two? Rose gets double the work dumped on her without the nice new title and Bobbie gets and shipped out of the central office. What reason can you come up with that makes that right? NONE.
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Maybe Webb wanted some one that will follow his orders and implement his system the way he wants it. Maybe someone not already trained to doing things a certain way. Maybe in Webb's mind a blank board is easier to work with than erasing all or a portion of some one's previous work.
Time will only tell.
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More like he will be following Cindys orders, through her board chairman husband, cause everyone knows she tells him what she wants done on the board. You got one thing right, he will definitely be getting a BLANK board!
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Such hate and jealousy.
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Webb beats only to his own drum people!
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Cheatham County all over again.
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Why is it a certain person can tell others to go have a face to face with the one they question that is alright but when someone says if they knew who she was they would have a face to face that means a personal attack, like fighting?
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Some food for thought. Instead of worrying about
who has been hired,fired, or moved, why not worry about
the education the children are receiving.
I will admit that I do not live in Giles County, but I
did graduate for a Giles County school.
Giles County is near and dear to my heart.
I am still concerned about what goes on in my home town as
I hope to someday return.
After reading all this thread, it prompted me to do some
research. Here is what I found.
According to the information on the 2001-2012 school
year, Giles County schools are ranked 313 of 353
(the bottom 26%),
Giles County High is 211 of 314,
Richland High is 227 of 314,
Southside is 758 of 954,
Minor Hill is 519 of 954,
Elkton is 636 of 954,
Richland Elementary is 500 of 954,
and Bridgeforth is 226 of 306.
As an educator myself, this is not where I want to find
my school or my students. I am not saying that
the changes are the right one, but it appears to me
that something needed to be done. Giles County is
better than this. We need to get out of the cellar.
By the way Lawrence County High is 77 of 314.
I never liked being behind Lawrenceburg.
From the outside looking in, give your administrators
your full support. Be willing to make changes as it is
clear changes are needed, and put the kids first. It is
really all about them anyway. We would not have a job
or a future without them.
“It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men.”
― Frederick Douglass
The source of my information: http://www.schooldigger.com/go/TN/schoolrank.aspx
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Very well presented. However, never try to diminish hypocrisy, center mindness, and the lack of facing facts with facts. There are those in Giles County that see no wrong and truly believe that Giles County is the best of the best.
Why ??? because those are what a chosen few continue to yell and the select elected few who know no better. They do not want to hear or know what is wrong. They just want to have everyday to be the same as yesterday. No fuss, no trouble, no problems.
That is what inbred, backward, regressive thinking accomplishes. To HELL with education, go FOOTBALL!!!!
That is why newcomers to Giles County, and some "natives" are sending their kids to school in Lawrenceburg, Lewisburg and Columbia.
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You can go live in a cave and send your kids to school in Africa for all most of us care, 3:25.
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6:59 I think you are right, that's the way a lot of people in Giles County feel. So sad.
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Who was arrested with Barrett at the school board meeting?
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8:23 Why are you asking that?
I think his names was Winkle or something like that.
Remember nothing was done about it.
The school board was in the wrong.
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I agree with 3:25. It doesn't matter if someone makes fun of another in Giles County for not using proper grammar or having poor math skills, or being illiterate, just don't make fun of or cut funding to their football team! What good does an education do anyways? They can just hire the "jocks" that DON'T make it to the pros at Magnetti Marelli because of our awesome local government here bringing in so many thriving businesses!!!
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By the way, 6:59, you are an idiot! I'm surprised they have the Internet in your cave now! You must not be serviced through PES. Who do you have? That way we can spread through word of mouth who more idiots can be provided with this essential service so we can read the rest of your idiotic family's opinions!
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12:09 You can't be serious. I mean really. Who in their right mind would intentionally hire someone who is a blank board and knows nothing as a chief officer whether in business, industry, education or any other area? The first thing every employer always wants to know is your experience. You are really grabbing at straws trying to come up with some way to justify an unjustifiable placement. Just go ahead and state the truth. Cindy was promoted because her husband is on the board. That is the ONLY possible reason.
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Why is it so typical of this blog that a couple of people on here resort to calling names when someone has the AUDACITY to have a different viewpoint?
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Because that is the only logical response they can make. FACTS? Don't confuse them with facts. They just react with knee-jerk comments and name calling. Very typical of a school yard bully who knows nothing of education, life and the prospects for the future. They know just football; maybe.
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Lawrence County School System
Supply List
2013/2014
Kindergarten
4 boxes Crayons (24 Count)
1- 4 oz. bottle white glue
6 large glue sticks
1 pk. Crayola Classic Markers
3 pks. #2 pencils
First Grade
4 boxes Crayons (24 Count)
1- 4 oz bottle of white glue
3 pks. #2 pencils
6 large glue sticks
1 pk. Crayola Classic Markers
Second grade
1- 4 oz bottle of white glue
3 large glue sticks
2- 70 sheet, wide-rule spiral notebooks
6 pks. #2 pencils
1 pk. Crayola Classic Markers
4 boxes crayons (24 count)
Third Grade
5 pks #2 pencils
2 pks Crayons (24 ct.)
3 large glue sticks
3 pks. Wide-rule Notebook paper
2- 70 sheet, wide-ruled spiral notebooks
Fourth Grade
6 pks. #2 pencils
4 pks. Wide-ruled notebook paper
1 plain, 1 inch 3 ring binder
4 wide- rule, 70 sheet spiral notebooks
1 pk. Colored pencils
2 large glue sticks
Fifth Grade
1 plain, 1 inch 3 ring binder
4 pks. wide-ruled loose leaf paper
6 pks. #2 pencils
2 large glue sticks
1 pk. Colored pencils
4 wide-rule, 70 sheet spiral notebooks
Sixth Grade
1 plain, 1 inch 3 ring binder
6 pks. #2 pencils
1 pks. highlighters
4 pks. wide-rule, loose-leaf paper
1 pk. colored pencils
7th thru 12th Grade
Bring paper and pencil the first day.
Will receive notice from teachers on the first day as to the supplies needed.
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all out of conversation?
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Suggestion for a new topic!
"Why does Allen Barrett have a handicapped placard?"
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10:12 Guess what they are easy to get. Try it.
Why are you so against Allen Barrett?
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10:12 So you can ask questions.
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10:12 What difference does it make if Barrett has a Handicapped Placard, no body asked you why you don't have all your teeth.
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Looks like 10:12 has nothing to do.
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I would say that a doctor wrote the prescription for it. I don't agree with him most of the time but I don't think he is crooked just very opinionated and on the opposite side from me most of the time.
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Someday 10:12's knees and legs will give out and he will need handicap parking. One of the joys of old age.