Code of Ethics for County Officials, DOA?
A part of the newly adopted Code of Ethics for
Promote decisions which only benefit the public interest; Actively promote public confidence in county government; Maintain a positive image to pass constant public scrutiny; Evaluate all decisions so that the best service or product is obtained at a minimal cost without sacrificing quality and fiscal responsibility; Faithfully comply with all laws and regulations applicable to the county and impartially apply them to everyone.
posted by J. Kendrick McPeters | 10:33 PM
186 Comments:
wab..
You just never cease to amaze me. Why don't you investigate the relationaship between Ms. Garner and Mrs. Vanzant? I didn't realize it was wrong to have friends? Is it?
I look forward to your exclusive report in the "rebel".
To a-nag-u-must. There you go again. There's nothing wrong with having friends even the County Code of Ethics allows for friends it just don't allow those friends and officials to benefit at the expense of the county. I understand why the subject of having friends might aggervate you, if it's OK to have friends why don't you have any?
bart..
If you owned a business, would you not give jobs to relatives and friends? I know that's a different situation, but you surely get my drift. This happens all the time.
If Ms. Garner is qualified, please explain to me why she shouldn't have the job. Is it wrong for her to be friends with Mrs. Vanzant? By the way, that's none of your business or mine.
My personal life is also none of your business, so please don't assume that, just because I disagree with those of your persuasion, I have no friends. Laughable.
TO A-NAG-U-MUST
If you owned a business would you expect me to pay all your bills without me having any say in how that business is run. Do you get my drift?
Public employees who become employees based on their friendship instead of qualifications is a drain on us all not an asset. If Ms. Garner were the most qualified of all the applicants there would be no problem. Mrs Vanzant can be friends with anyone she desires I just don't want all her friends on the payroll I have to fund.
The problem is, Mrs. Garner is NOT qualified to hold the position of finance manager, and I don’t care whom she is a friend with.
Do some checking and you will come to the same conclusion.
unsmart..
Why would I as an entrepreneur expect anyone to pay my bills for me. I'm guessing that's part of your liberal mentality.
Since WHEN does the most qualified necessarily get the job? Other factors enter into an employer's decision to hire.
Should the employer be forced to hire someone who had the most credentials or the individual who would seem the best "fit" for the job? Think.
Do you guys EVER stop complaining and criticizing others?
The Code of Ethics recently adopted by the county commission was a document submitted by the state. They were required to adopt something so they just voted on what came from the state. It didn't mean a thing to most of the commissioners (I did NOT say all), and its a case of in one ear and out the other. Bet mnost of them don't even know what they passed.
vanzant has to have her "friends" all around her so she can control them. How else would she and is currently getting away with the illegal and immoral crap!
Whine with your cheese?
Nope
Nepotism with our government
Apologies , I know it's a long word -go look it up !
anonymous...
You are such a whiner. Please don't be a popinjay, and please get past your resentments. They only hurt you in the long run.
Vanzant wants what she can manipulate to hold jobs around her. I have never seen one person so good at being decietful. You people think this Garner is only one not qualified When will any of you open your eyes to the whole crap sandwich that Roy Griggs runs. We've been told part time people get on overtime; go check the records you can and they do; also why did he lose all but two of his paramedics? Maybe one of you should go talk to Vanzant; Whining my behind do some digging into this and I will gladly serve you cheese with your whine!!!!!!!!!
PS Just so you know part time medics make 15.00/hr so thats 22.50/hr for overtime that the taxpayers of this county are having to fork out because Mr Griggs has no idea how to run the place!!!!!!
I have never seen such babyish whining and complaining in my life. Look, if you don't like it here, you can always leave!
I don't like everything that goes on in this county, but I don't sit around whining about it.
Babyish and whining thats good. I am not sure I quite see it your way. I see it more that they are concerned about what is happening in thier community. No one wants to leave I thing they want to make things better. Or we can sit around like you and do nothing but I almost bet you would be at the head of the line complaining if any ofn these problems had an impact on your life.
I still think it's babyish whining. I think (and I could be wrong) it's not so much out of concern as it is that they think they know best. If I could get past that perceived arrogance on their part, I might be more inclined to agree with you.
By the way, you would lose that bet!
To a-nag-u-must, "babyish whining" you can do better than that.
You see your problem right there in that second sentence "I think (and I could be wrong) it's not so much out of concern as it is that they think they know best". If you would talk with some of those you talk about you might see a totally different picture.
I know for a fact you are wrong about wab, I had some strong feelings about his motivations until I spoke personally with him and saw a completely different person from my first impression.
I would strongly suggest you give wab a call if you really have an interest in knowing something rather than just thinking something.
unsmart
Thanks, but no thanks. I have no desire to speak with your mentor and hero. And I wouldn't depend on him to keep me informed.
I can't seem to figure out which name you want me to use. You called it arrogance (noun) when I used smarterthanbart. Then I use anonymous, and you call me a-nag-u-must (noun). Would you please make up your...uh......mindI only said I could be wrong to humor you. Didn't you catch that? Whatever these people's motives, they still resort to babyish whining, name-calling, etc. when someone questions them.
Why are you an apologist (noun) for the malcontents?
To a-nag-u-must you make it very clear that you have no desire to allow yourself to be controlled by anything but your vile prejudices. When I suggested you speak with wab it was merely so you might have some opportunity to develop some realistic foundation for your apparent anger at him. Many times when people do a little personal communicating their thoughts and opinions become less hardcore. Sorry to know you prefer your ignorance to an opportunity to grow past them.
As for your name I have consistently referred to you as
A-NAG-U-MUST because you must nag about everything. It is you that continues to identify yourself by different names I simply thought you were again trying to hid your myopic view of life, but that can’t be hidden as it is enlarged with your every post.
I am not an apologist for any malcontents I only find great fault with anyone so bigoted in their outlook. Have a nice day.
bart...
You don't know you are an apologist? Incredible.
I certainly do not need to talk to your hero to become knowledgeable, even though he tells me and everyone else who differs with him that we lack knowledge (describing our behavior, I suppose).
A-nag-u-must You don't know you are a bigot. I never suggested that you talk with wab to become knowledgeable in all subjects only in the subject of him. I thought if you would open your mind a bit and simply talk to wab you might find him to be very different than your predisposed misconception. Obviously I was wrong for you are far more comfortable with your ingrained prejudices that render
you helplessly stupid than you would be with an actual encounter with reality that would allow you to form some opinions based on reality. I was wrong to assume that you might prefer some truth mixed in with your self imposed deceptions. Sorry, I misjudged your potential.
bart - you are totally wrong about the old nag - she is totally open minded - absolutely nothing between the right ear & the left one, except wind, & it's which ever way it's blowing.
I have met WAB, and its sad to say but he is not any better in person.
the one who wrote about the ambulance service keep digging but be carefull the troubles over there are so bad that one could definately drown in them. Everyone needs to start asking questions and taking a hard look at what it has become, beware but remember the fault is on the shoulders of a few at the top including vanzant who knows whats going on but isn't doing a damn thing about it.
Answer this for me why do you get another station and money to hire 6 more people 3 of which will be EMT's 3 paramedics when you can not fill your paramedic positions now? Last time I ask was told that there were 4 full time paramedics but there where 5 open slots; Why if they can staff this station with paramedic trucks is the elkton station mained with only EMT's trucks about 60% of the time. Sounds like more deception to me if you do as I do and just check you might be surprised. Yet today Mr Griggs was given another 250,000.00 for what I ask? He can not fill positions he has had open for the last 6 mopnths. It is not very hard to find these things out all you have to do is ask around. T
unsmart...
You are calling me names again. Isn't that a bit foolish of you?
You say I am hopelessly stupid (hopelessly is an adjective and stupid would be a noun).
Then you suggest that I need to be open-minded. What a laugher!
Look bart, I have absolutely no desire to talk to the reporter. I have seen and heard him in action. He can be rude and obnoxious when someone doesn't see things his way. He is arrogant and the egotistical to the very marrow of his bones. By the way, I am not calling him names here. I am merely describing his behavior.
And since you can't seem to see any of this on your own, may I describe your behavior by sugesting that you are comfortably numb?
Whether he's right or wrong on his "truths" is not the point in this context. It's his manner and arrogance. How many times do I have to say that?
A-nag-u-must it's your bigotry not your insight that keeps showing. Your stupid statement, "He is arrogant and the egotistical to the very marrow of his bones", is just an example of that bigotry unless you have actually examined his bones with an ability greater than any doctor, X-ray or MRI known to man. Guess it's just another example of a nobody filled with a grandiose idea of self importance. What you have can be helped greatly by a large dose of Ex-Lax.
T
A few questions. this situation is very disturbing to me. I have asked a few questions and am definatly going to ask more. Why is there such a shortage of paramedics in this county. I have heard they all quit, why? Is it that bad here. Also I have been told that an EMT cannot do the advanced things a paramedic can for instance I have a family member who has seizures if that member goes into seizures that won't stop an EMT doesn't have the training to give the drugs needed to stop the seizure that is very scary if emt trucks are run 60% of the time. This county is in a real pickle and the commissioners and the County executive really needs to do something about especially if she knows what's going on. Pleas we all need more information and truth. Thanks
I'll keep digging to.
maybe all the paramedics quit because there is no reason to stay in giles county. like low pay, no benefits. how many medics is working there now?
Hmm...maybe we should shut it down. We don't need it anyways, or we could let tommy, i mean t run it.
I would like to know where the money is coming from to operate the sattelite stations in Elkton and Lynnville. Did the commissioners who voted for this understand that they will have to either raise more money, or drop services from somewhere else.
Prolly the same place where the 700,00 came from for the highway dept.
Ambulance staff have not left Giles Co because of the pay which is higher than a couple of the surrounding counties. In addition, they get the same excellent benefits as all county employees. Wish mine was half as good.
There have been problems at the ambulance service for years. Now, you will hear the argument that it is the only dept bringing in money to the county. The money that comes in is just sitting there waiting to be claimed (insurance, medicare, etc), all they have to do is file the forms not much work to that. The actual collections that are done locally only amount to a hill of beans. The woman in the office decides whether or not to send them a bill, based on her personal knowledge of the person.
Then you hear the service is self supporting. Not so! What you see as the budget does not include the wages and benefits which is under a different line item. This crap wouldn't go on if the service was run by a private business and we would also get better service. Griggs is hopeless as a director.
The same excellent benefits? What would they be? What problems are you referring to? I thought everyone has quit from there but 2 people. The ambulance is self supporting to. I've heard about the private services...we do not need one here either. Why you think the county holds on to it, because it does make money.
Attend the Ambulance Committee meeting Tuesday, July 24, 9 a.m. second floor at courthouse.
Why is that?
No point in going. Ms Flacey wont let us ask questions anyway.
How come elkton had to do fundraising and get freebies work and north end gets $250,000 out of the county budget.
Because elkton was stafeed by a truck that was already there and north is not. they are adding 6 new employees to the service. i think they are also gonna be in the rescue st there at kerr hill rd also. so no new building is being built.
Where are the employees coming from when they cant even fully staff the pulaski stn according to commissioner Tommy Campbell.(quoting todays paper)
No as I have discovered EMT's are important but they are unable to administer drugs that are need when you say have the big one. The paramedics in this county have always wanted more money but up until the last 6 months had been here working so I am thinking its not so much a money or benefit but how could Vanzant not stop them before all were gone? My last count was that there where 4 full time paramedics for 9 slots and the part time salaries will that money is coming from our tax dollars. Staff a station in Lynnville thats almost ridiculious when you can not fill what is vacant. Everyone one keeps stating that its same old problem as always there its not. Ask about mandatory overtime, ask who is in charge, but when you do please note that those in power there will talk with forked tongue. No bart i do not want to move but if I need competent med care in an emergency and none come I would just like to kmow how come? Why is this not as important as a new finance director and no I do not think that is was at all a fair selection.
Why would Mrs Flacey not let you ask questions? I am not sure who to ask questions of?
An ambulance service that makes me money? Hey that would be a first and I seriously doubt that is happening here in Giles County. Griggs is a laughing stock in all surrounding counties and the way he allows that place to be ran is unbelievable...but I am just alittle peon living in this county and working 5 days a week but I have seen things at that service change in last few years I seen go people that had been there ten years walk out the door for cents more and then they are talked about as though they are worthless. They have great leadership in all areas huh and Vanzant she just tells who's in front of her at the time what they want to hear. As for North station good in theory but who's butt is Griggs, Vanzant, and the committee going to pull these people from drive one county over in any direction and guess what the people that live here taking care of the people in that county. Now why I ask you quit the name calling and acting like hopped up teenagers and address some of the problems. Hey Nag you know so much can you please answer any of these questions that I and the rest of the little folk have asked.
I live in Elkton makes me mad as heck that we broke our backs to get an ambulance here and because of the whole Milky Way BS they just hand over 250,000!!!Bull thats what that is oh yea would like to say hey Mr Griggs thanks for letting us know we now or at least most of time not even getting a paramedic to take care of us. We worked our behinds off down here to get you people maybe we should just wake up and realize we just ain't important enough for you Mr. Griggs to worry about. Once a again thanks so much to Mr Griggs and Ms Vanzant for knowing where the people in the city of Elkton rate for you.
Well if you don't have medics to staff it then someone's gotta be there to run calls. They have done a excellent job in running all the medic's off from there and not just mr. griggs either. he has no control over his so called supervisors there. free reign as they please. i think he is scared of them. he learned right quick you can not treat people like dirt and get away with it. the only reason he is still there is because he is a yes man to vanzant. she's not goin to get rid of him either.
I voted for Mrs. Vanzant in the last election but I won't make that same mistake twice. I must admit that it is scary to realize that there are not paramedics on every truck and everyone knows that our local hospital is a joke. What are our tax dollars being spent on?
Anonymous
silly bart..
Arrogant to the very marrow of the bone is akin to saying a person is rotten to the core? We don't cut a person open to see their rotten core, do we? How simple-minded can you be?
You mentioned grandiose delusions of self-worth. Laughable. That is your hero, not me. However, I keep forgetting that you can't see that.
Flacy wont allow anyone to ask questions at her meetings cause she dont want you to speak about the facts that are being raised on this blog. Another weak puppet of Vanzants just like griggs. He aint running the ambulance service its the woman that works there. Short grey haired woman, Cant remember her name. Her and a EMT supervisor are running the show. Last I heard they were down to 2 paramedics. Yep it is because of Milky way. Did that woman at the service just get a great big raise?
Then how do we now staff the Lynnville station if they can not fill what they have open? Is it 2 or 4 paramedics? What does private service do? I am a mother of 3 in Lynnville what can I do to help fix this problem?
First of all a private service would not run the service based on emotions, favoritism, power struggles, etc. Yes, a private service would be in it for profit but to realize that profit they would have to run the show reaching State and Federal standards. We would get state of the art equipment and fully staffed ambulances that were certified to give the necessary meds enroute. This we dont have right now. What we dont hear about is the rejection of billings because the current service doesn't come up to parr. The loss of revenue just gets buried in "write offs" and no one on the Ambulance committee ever questions, they just accept. Hence no change. A month ago they only had 2 paramedics and were in jeapordy of losing their rating with the State and Fed governments. Thank you for taking an interest in this problem.
does it really matter if there is 2 or 4 the point is that there were 9 slots and now that the commissioners have decided to entrust an irrisponsible manager with 250,000 more of our dollars its 12 positions. From what I've discovered they haven't had a full staff for almost a year or more and since jan. of this year most have walked out because of the work situation to go to other counties to work as somebody has already said for cents more and in some cases less. all have about the same benefits so its not money or benefits. Oh and I have been advised that they cannot collect revenue for tencare because griggs didn't sign a contract? That was recently on WKSR and he admitted he didn't sign it. Other counties I've talked to signed it and are collecting. It may be less than it was before but its something. I've been told they cannot refuse to transport a ten care person so thats just a free trip revenue lost and a lot of it. And the woman in Lynville with 3 kids you should be concerned and start digging something needs to cahnge go private change leadership something but if Vanzant has total control then it seems the only good option is to sell it. When the private company gets it straightened out the county can always get it back after the contract expires.
It doesn't really matter number that left what I want to know is why are are people that live in this county leaving that is a reflection on poor leadership. You do not need a business degree to figure out if people are leaving that quick then there is a problem in leadership! We have been told on regular basis' that they are making money at the ambulance service, but that has to be a falsehood..What was reasoning for not signing Tn Care contract? Why do you have 250,000 to a service that can't manage what is already in trouble? Why is some one outside doing an investagation on the problems there or do the surrounding counties have the same problem no medical personnel to staff these things? I am also concerned for my family and friends but we have heard that they have enough part time people to keep units staff as they should be, is that not the case. Why is Elkton not as important as the Lynnville station and why do they not always have a paramedic ambulance?
Its just another case of no one in the county knowing anything until something to someone important happens but what can anyone do hasn't changed in 50 years and the 2 commisioners trying to make things right are know as troublemakers.
they do have 4 medics at the time. they also have about 16 part time medics that are covering the open positions. the last time i checked no the other counties have not signed a contract with tencare. they are hoping for more money. they do not need to sell the service, not the answer here. theres a couple people that want to be in charge there and is willing to do anything to get rid of griggs to do it. bring a private service in here, they are all about making money. they will refuse you transport if you can not pay up front or tell you to get a cab. the 2 comissioners that are concerned are going about it all the wrong way. private meetings...sunshine law violation??? stirring rumors. talking to all the wrong people. and answer me one thing to, why did the head of the ambulance comiteee sit there and vote against the north st? she got her south st so guess she doesnt care about the north end of the county, huh.
oh, and please would someone enlighten us on the problems there. if it's not money or benefits.
If other counties haven't signed tn care then why are other private services coming into gilescounty to transfer the tn car people to appointments and other pre arranged dr visits etc. and those part time people are a strain on the budget AT 15 dollars an hr. and 22.50 for overtime. why does this county have to rely on part timers.....because they can't hold on to full timers. Oh and I've called private services in surrounding counties and they CAN NOT refuse transport on a 911 call, they face the exact same problems as giles but can manage to make money....why....good management. and lastly if you look at the pay scale which is up for the public to see. The secretary that from what i've heard can't do the job she has without help is making about 14.50 an hour and griggs wants to give her a huge raise again what i'veheard is around 40%. why is that? how many of you secretaries out there make that? and hats off to the 2 commissioners and any other that is seriously looking into this its about time and thank god at least 2 of the commisoners are doing their jobs.
oh my god are you serious! that would be about 20 dollars an hour, 38,400 a year . Thats crazy no wonder they are in trouble, that's more than the paramedics are making. Why is the secretary so special especially since i've heard she can't or doesn't even do the job.
Refuse care? Make you walk? Have you lost touch with reality!! Did you know most metro cities have turned to private services such as Atl, Orlando, and Knoxville this I found out by just getting on the internet!!!! Before you make such outlandish statements get your facts straight. I see all kinds of private services in here taking our people.. One more thing there out of the 16 how many work regularly no need to lie on that one either I have checked. It is unimaginable that you have only 4 full time paramedics there it is my tax dollars that are funding the goings on over there and you find 22.50 acceptable...Now I do know you have lost all sense...Sunshine law violations tell me what you are talking about.I myself would be interested in hearing what you have to say!!!Why are all the people leaving? I t does not take a masters in business to figure that one out POOR LEADERSHIP!!!!! I think she voted against it due to the simple fact the place is being ran straight into the ground. But sounds like you might need to go back and do some reasearch, huh? Also the two commissioners you say are stirring rumors everything that I myself have reasearched has been a truth. I have no stake in this race other than I live and work here and not in the medical field at all, just smart enough to know to check facts before I go running my mouth. So tell me who is lying, because you my friend have your facts all distorted..
finally a citizen in giles that has good sense and does their research. Thank you
I can not believe that whoever wrote that comment about refusing care made it out of elementary school watch the news there honey there's a big law in refusing medical treatment care or transport!!! Would not happen these people would lose there jobs be fined and possible jail sentences, why do you feel the need to say that where did you get your information. Me all I had to do is watch the nightly news!!! Might I suggest you give it a try some time. I am way unhappy though with your part time statement thats crazy why is that place not running with full crews?? I am damn tired of that place over, make money my rearend been that way since Irwin left they need to get get of Griggs and get some one to run the place!!!! Get some paramendics in over there too I mean full time people. Hey Vanzant you listining get control of your people or get someone who can!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vanzant is a great part of the problem. She will not address the complaints and sides with Griggs.
There is a Federal law that directs any medical care cannot be refused due to lack of insurance, race, etc. This goes for hospitals also.
Why cant Loretta Garner, the new finance director leave Judy Roberts holding the fort at the courthouse, and go over and sort out the messey finances at the ambulance service.
and the issue comes full circle....could it be that she is or will be controlled by vanzant? Or will she be a big enough of a person to do the job and not overlook things she's directed to?
I can not believe that someone would actually think that a person would be told to call a cab or refuse transport. This is so not the case and as others have said get your facts right before you start with accusations! Secondly, I have a serious problem with statement we have 16 part-time paramedics to staff the ambulances why are there not enough full time people' could it be that there is something wrong with either Griggs or the middle management? I do not know but to the outside world it would appear that way. As for a secertary already making 14.39 an hour and getting a raise why is that? I am beganning to wonder why there has been no outside investigation into this? Mrs Vanzant why are you allowing all of this to go on and not trying to call for some kind of change?
Tom
Surely you jest!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Attend the Ambulance Committee meeting Tuesday, July 24, 9 a.m. second floor at courthouse.
8:48:00 AM
don't you remember the secretary, Mrs. Holley, at the ambulance service was the person along with vanzant that created all the choas when vanzant fired the original secretary and gave the position to the current one, Mrs. Holley. they are like two peas in a pod.
funny how mrs. holley doesn't work there anymore. If that is true looks like vanzant found her a new pet griggs and the WELL paid secretary.
nope ms holley doesnt work there anymore along with a couple other former employees who does not either. the secretary does not make 14.39 a hr try 10.50 a hr. also a private service can and will refuse transport if theres no money to be made. been there and done that myself. this all boils down to a former employee that wants to be in charge there but wasnt given the job and now works at a private service. so now all of a sudden, lets privatize it....hmm, funny isnt it.
liar went and looked up the pay scale myself and no i'm not a former employee but I have talked to the private service that is in spring hill and they just laughed at your comments. sounds like your trying to protect something yourself?want to try to spread some more lies and deceptions? Oh and a couple of other employees that left are all but 2 according to your lies and excuses I guess all of them wanted to be in charge from the terrible stories I've been told someone with some sense needs to be in charge.
That place just needs a good cleaning. Griggs is terrible how can he run the place when he's at home doing hay and taking care of his cows? It's a joke and everyone is shaking there head because they know vanzant won't help why? guess she doesn't care if the giles countians that voted for get good medical care just vote for her if you don't die first.
I have worked for different private ambulance services and I have never been able to tell someone to take a cab or refuse transport. A private ambulance service is much better than a county service. You get more and better things for the ambulance to be able to take better care of the people in the county. I am from lincoln county and do not live in giles county but I believe that you all need to do something about the ambulance service there and some of the people that work there. One more thing to add, 14.39 an hour is not enough money to sleep with some people.
well wether the service is private or not. it needs a good cleaning. you got griggs there that can't run it. the secretary and a supervisor and a emt runs it. the supervisor there can't be demoted or done anything to because he has too much time in....hahaha. when a place loses 9 of its employees in about a 6 month time then there is defifnitely a problem. it's time for griggs to eithere step up and be the boss or step down. just ask any of the former employees that used to work there. employees are not treated fairly. you got a supervisor there that is a emt, now tell me how he can be a boss when he hasnt got the training of a paramedic. he cant even run his shift, well i guess you got to be there to do that instead of out running around town. if you're not part of the griggs,hardy,paula,gatlin,maddox klan then you're no body there. if you don't agree with them then you're wrong!!! how can a place force mandatory overtime on you like they do? do you want someone that has been working for days straight to be working on you or your family? i dont! yes the part time make 15 dollars a hr, but that's the only way to get anyone to work there. in no other circumstances would anyone come there, why would they? before the 15 dollars there was like 3 part timers. it's alot of money i know but hey they got to have people there to work all the open slots they got. because griggs or none of his supervisors are definitely not going to cover them. ohh i forgot according to the lie griggs told in the paper they are all staffed...not!!! i don't call 4 out of 12 fully staffed. i agree we need a station in north end of the county but who's going to work it?
just ask other medics why they won't come to work there. everyone around knows how poorly the place is ran. you got to pay a arm and a leg just to get anyone to work for you...that's pitiful. they can get emt's at the drop of a hat, wonder why? emt's have got it made there. you'd think with roy being a medic himself he would try to make it better for the medics to get more in there. how can other counties run double medic trucks and giles can't even run single ones?
Give it a couple weeks and the north station too will only have emt's.
So Director Griggs is the quick sand you built your house on starting to shift? Why would you want to give your office girl more money then you pay your paramedics as for your audit those calls were all ran in 2006 be interesting to see the audit if performed for the first 6 months of this year. No Mr Griggs I have never worked for you but there are some of us that do pay attention to what you do which is not much. I understand your need for $250,000.00 that part time pay of yours will eat quickly through that money, why would you lie so - fully staffed with PART TIMERS!!!! Next I want to address the person with the idea that private services can act in such a manner, Can you give me the name of the service you worked for I think the state would be interested in knowing that they had done such things. Next Spring Hill resisdents have never been told such a thing. So quit lying to try to make your self and cohorts look better. When will you ever learn that what goes around will come back around.
I would like to know what happened at the the committee meeting yesterday, I was unable to attend.
Why does a director of an ems agency almost cry when the office gal doesn't get a raise and throw a 2 year old tantrum but when 9 full time paramedics leave he could care less can anyone explain that to me.
I've noticed many references on this website to the paramedics who have left in the last year. I personally know several of these people and know them to be dedicated and professional people. One person in particular I would gladly trust with my life or more importantly the life of someone I loved. Why is the Giles County Ambulance Service letting our best and brightest leave? Do we not want people who love their jobs? I want someone who lives and breathes their occupation to be working on my loved ones...don't you? Although I understand EMT's can perform certain techniques there are some things they are not trained to do. They are not trained to adminster certain lifesaving drugs which can be crucial in some situations such as heart attacks. I want someone who is trained to do more than CPR if I'm having a heart attack. I see a lot of people on here that want to protect the status quo we have over at the ambulance service. Why? Don't you want what is best for your family?
yes i agree we do need the best people there to work here in giles county. but dragging the ambulance service through the mud by a couple of former employees do not help. when you already have people wanting to sell the service any bad news they get or hear is always used against the service. that does not help to improve it. no one that has left there has been made to go, it was their own decision to leave. now instead of being happy wherever they're at they can't leave the service alone. stir up the pot at your own workplace for heavens sake. it's hard for something to go forward when being held back by a bunch of jealous morons. i wouldn't want to work there full time either just from all the bad publicity i hear.
And we have our fair share of jealous whiners here in Giles County. They never stop!
and what would they be jealous of? The threats, the hostility, the ingnoring of emt's that do not know their skills and nothing is done about it, the supervisors that we the tax payers pay a healthy salary to sit at the ambulance station and play games on the computer or ride around town in there pretty little car they spent to much money on and the list could go on for miles. I have talked to most of those that have walked out in the near past, those that have been gone for a while and many who have worked part time and state they will never go back and all have the same complaints. It's the leadership or lack of. How can the place move forward if the director will not make sure that all his employees are able to perform all there skills and when it is brought to his attention that some cannot do them it is met with harsh words and no action. That is not a leader. shifts unable to find there supervisor because they are riding around town ...somewhere? for hours. yes these people told me they left on there own but where pushed out because they couldn't take the hostile work environment anymore and it seems that because of the reputation griggs has created it is almost immposible to get any paramedic qualifed or not to work in this county. THese former employees are not morons in fact they are very smart competant paramedics that other places have snatched up very quickly. Morons? maybe for trying to stay and work for griggs fo as long as they did, to help the people of giles county but not a moron like you are calling them...who is dragging who through the mud? I commend these people and wish they would come back but all have made it clear they will not work for griggs and his cronies. Yes the ambulance service could be great and fully staffed but not with the leadership it has now. and maybe people wouldn't want to sell it if those that could, would get controll of the chaos over there. sounds to me griggs has created his own bad reputation no one had to help him with that.
well maybe in some eyes griggs is not a good leader. he is a good person though. he has helped some of the former employees out the best that he could. only for them to turn around and stab him right in the back. to my knowledge since he has been in charge there has been 2 more stations added. new cots, new ambulances, new equipment, new uniforms, part time. so everyone keeps sayins sell, sell, sell, but if the county does go private don't they still have to subsidize it also? look back at the old directors there, erwin...what would happen if you talked to a comissioner while he was there? fired! what did he do when the ambulance comittee met? send everyone outside. he pretty much kept it all swept under the rug. and who knew what the one after him was doing? i dont think he knew himself. griggs is to softhearted and tries to make everyone his friend, and you can't do that and be a boss too. you see what happens when you do. you get dragged through the mud. so you tell me what you would do if you were the boss.
Mr. Griggs is an employee of Giles County being paid with our tax money. He is accountable to the public regarding his decisions at the ambulance service. If his decisions were good ones there would be no problem. Many of the employees that left this past year are still residents of Giles County therefore he is still accountable for his actions to those people. They still pay his salary which I'm sure irks them as he seems to be incompetent. Only people who are immature or insecure resort to petty name-calling. If you can't bring anything better than moron to the party perhaps you should stay home.
Wow! This sure is a heated debate. I also know several employees of the Giles County Ambulance Service and it is not just a couple of disgruntled employees from what I hear. From what I understand they have lost alot of people in the last year not just one or two. I also hear that the beloved Mrs. Vanzant may not be the paragon of truth and virtue we once thought she was. I voted for her...wish I could take it back.
adding equipment is great but if some don't know how to use it it's useless. new statiuons are great but if you don't have the FULL TIME paramedics to staff them they are not near as effective. being a good person or soft hearted doesn't translate into a good leader. And as far as firing from what I've been told plenty of those threats were and are used over there. Why would griggs be afraid of selling if he is running a tight ship and everything is as it should be he should have no worries. Oh and griggs is pretty efficient at sweeping things under the rug. And those that are only telling us that ask questions the truth are not stabbing anyone in the back they are just concerned about the quality of ems in this county. If he is as good of a person as you say he should be able to realize he is over hs head and be man enough to admit it instead of protecting his and his yes peoples big sallaries at the expense of the people of this county who pay them.
It looks like our name-calling friend has nothing more to say. Perhaps because he or she knows that their arguments are weak or perhaps they have finally had an epiphany that it is wrong to waste our tax dollars by blogging online when they should be doing whatever task it is they are paid to perform at work.
Morons? a couple of employees huh? Once again you have not done your research!! First off I have talked to at least 7 different ex employees and not one wants Griggs job. Next thing its wonderful all the great equipment and 2 new stations still no full time employees. Griggs softed hearted wonderful, but he is not the man for the job step down and let some one run it who can control the clowns at that place. Those at the meeting Tues are only a small fraction of ex employees with something to say, but from what I have heard and saw they are being nailed to the cross. Why do you ask? Because they could no longer work under the threats and intimdation. We lost many competent medics all of whom would never of left if what was fair and right was the practice there. Now I ask who is the whiner or the moron? I believe it is you writer of the elementary school insults.
Roy..
Look at it this way my friend. When the whiners are crucifying you, it only means they are giving their other targets a few days off. But, as the old saying goes, this too shall pass!
I applaud you for not getting down to their level by responding. Remember, while some whine and malign, it takes class to refrain from using their tactics.
I believe it was a Roy supporter who was calling people morons and being so aggressive. It is not whining to point out that a person who is paid by our tax dollars is not doing the best job. He may be a great person but that does not make him a competent director. You can pat Mr. Griggs on the back all you want for not taking the time to answer the questions that we have but if he could give some good explanation for asking for a 36% raise for a secretary (this was cited in a previous posting above) who already makes more money than the paramedics on staff than perhaps people would quit asking questions.
Roy needs to be accountable for his actions and he has not one leg to stand on or he would be siting the wrongs. He is not because not one thing that has been stated here or any where else has been anything but the truth!!! Why Roy does your office girl need such a raise? Why can your supervisors not answer a phone and be smart enough to know if it is an emergency trip? Oh why Roy do you only have 4 full time paramedics? Is that why Roy the tax payers of this county have to shell over $250,000.00 for a new station? Poor Roy well I myself am sick of his whinng, crying and acting like a twelve year old girl when confronted. Answer our questions poor Roy and stop lying....Maybe you whom keeps handing down these moron comments you need to get a theasurus would help build your vocabulary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or maybe ifi was a lawyer or had a bachelors degree in basket weaving would slao help too, huh. look at the bottom of the blog page at the other ambulance service post, 243 comments...nothing happened then. didn't you file a complaint or something against griggs? what happened with that?...notta!!! the lady in the office is doing the job of 2 people isn't she? sounds to me like you and your follower quit and the place didn't close and griggs didn't loose his job and now you're mad.
First off this is my very first time on this blog but seems to me that Ms Anonymous wants to make accucastions so I will address each point by point. First of 243 comments on a prior blog thats alot seems to me what is going on is coming out to be seen by one and all, Griggs could not do the job then and it has gotten far worse!!! Second seeing that you know about this grievance maybe these people on this site would be interested in knowing why that was filed; first it was over mandatory overtime when paramedics could no longer perform in competent manner but were made to work 48 hrs or be fired this was on a constant basis' the overtime in the month of January was well over $30,000.00, dispute that! 2nd it was over supervisors sitting in an office making funny of crews on scenes and not calling for air support when asked,and just a month before 2 paramedics lost time for not calling Lifeflight and instead getting Air Evac here the one with the shortest eta, and yet we need no further on that call do we? Oh we shall not forget the hostile work enviroment that was created for female employees and we could go on and on with this grievence. You are right Mrs Vanzant knew and did nothing, paramedics left in a mass exodus and you at the ambulance service still having hard time finding full time coverage. As for girl doing job of two that is the biggest bunch of BS to date that has been spewwed on this site!!! She is clueless and that will be seen as revenue keeps falling or could it be she is scared Ms Garner will find out that she is a fraud and Griggs has been covering her behind for way to long. Not one of those parmedics quit for money or benefits which is lies being spread but the core group of there and no one is mad, what they want is good quaility care and effective running of that place. So quit with all your lies and gossip and lets get to some truths, and who are you speaking of when you speak of the you person and your follower? People in this county have more intelligence then you give them credit for, they have discovered what is going on over there by just paying attention and be informed taxpayers. I am so sorry that you feel the need to hurt those that have done nothing to you but if you insist on telling lies I will be rite behind with the truths and evidence to back up my statements. So keep it comming I am looking forward to this...
Get Back to work Paula county is not paying you to be on this blog site..It would be alright if you had a clue what you where talking about but you don't. So just go back and do what ever it is you do for $14.50 an hour and leave the paramedic situation alone. Because you do not have a clue what they do!!!!
Hey there have been 2 blogs sites on the amblulance service so to the 243 add another 58 and I hope that by all that it is right that Mrs. Vanzant gets off her butt and takes control of Griggs his cohorts and the over paid office gal we need our people to come on back home!! What is wrong with our county executor that she has not oust Griggs before now. Wake up Janet do something and get our paramedics back home where they belong!!!!!
The ambulance service at Elkton came about because the citizens there worked for it. Had nothing to do with Griggs until it was time to put personnel there. The service in North End was requested by a commissioner from that area and it passed in the full commission. Again, Griggs had NOTHING to do with getting the service put there.
so ms blogger who was sent home? the whole greivance thing was filed to get rid of griggs, didn't work though did it? females there? there are females working there isn't it?
It seems to me that there is a person on this blog who feels that Mr. Griggs is being unfairly targeted. While I always find it admirable to stand up for what you believe in I cannot believe the tactics this person has resorted to. This person seems to be insinuating that all of these postings are being made by former employees of the Giles County Ambulance Service. This, however, is not the case and I think it is immoral for you to try to act as thought it is when all the postings on this website are anonymous including yours. I have in fact posted at least 7 or 8 times and I do not work at the ambulance service and I have never worked at the ambulance service. You guys seem to forget that budget meetings are open to the public and the content of the meetings is common knowledge. It only takes a little gumption and leg work to become an informed citizen. You have quite vehemently attacked anyone on here who questions the ambulance service but you don't seem to have facts. I've noticed that the other bloggers at least have some facts to back up there statements. Since you cannot or willnot back up your allegations with facts I will simply have to assume this is because you do not have any but please feel free to prove me wrong. I think we should all remember that this is supposed to be a healthy discussion between informed citizens. Yes there will be differences of opinion but as adults we should remember not to cross the line between healthy discussion and petty mudslinging.
I hope Mr Griggs is watching what is going on, and reading this blog. Feeling a little pressure. Remember back a few years when the Director was trying to raise salaries of the employees, that is all employees including office staff. Remember the hell you raised with the commisioners because you thought the office staff were being over paid. Most people reading this blog probably do not know what I am talking about,but you DO. The old saying what goes around comes around. Your time is here,how does feel now?
there are problems everywhere you work at. this is mostly coming from 2 former employees that are unhappy because they didn't and can't get their way there. one of them he should have never hired back!!! i just wanna know what all this proves??? it's not doing any good.
There are way more then 2 former employees that are digruntled and why do you feel the need to try and hurt what you know nothing about. Facts my friend where are your facts...you have none that is the problem. Its not doing any good then why are you even here spewwing your ignorance? Why should one never have been hired back? Facts please. Didn't get there way and what was there way and there are more than 2 that have left. Females work part time and why is that? Because of how they are treated I know of at least 4 that when questioned at different times all have the same cohesive stories. Why are you so worried with this sight if it is as you say doing no good? You are a vindictive little minded person that has no basis on the ugly that comes out of your mouth. I know of at least 3 male employees that verify and back all female stories up, so now I would like to hear you side.
You keep talking about two certain people like all of Giles County is supposed to know what you are talking about. If it is truly just two people who are lying as you keep saying than why are you wasting your time and energy on this blog. If they are not telling the truth then you have nothing to worry about. Right?
where are your facts? all i see is a bunch of writing by a anonymous poster that means absolutely nothing. you know exactly what i mean by never hiring her back. she left, went to another service, then wanted her job back so roy gave it to her. you're the vindictive small minded person that can't leave well enough alone. enjoy life and enjoy your new job and the long drive.
What goes around comes aroung? Are you always in your own little world? First off Mr. Griggs was not trying to raise anyones salary but the office gal and couple of years ago who cares. What I do care about is the lose of most of your paramedics. You need to wake up a smell the coffee and realize that we the citizens of Giles County are sick and tired of nothing being done and this time we want changes and we are not goig to just lie down and let whatever just happen.
First of all I have never worked at Giles County or any other service. I am a stay at home mom and have been for a long time. As I said before,the facts are there and easily accessible because those budget meetings are public. In case you are having trouble understanding, public means that anyone can walk into those meetings, listen and ask questions. I have the facts. You on the other hand seem to be trying to smear the reputations of two former employees but you will not say what they are doing or have done wrong. Perhaps you are like everyone else I have encountered who either cannot or will not answer my questions because you can't. Whoever you are you seem like a vengeful person with an agenda that has nothing to do with the well-being of this county and its citizens. Shame on you.
anonymous (stay-at-home-mom)...
Goodness, you did a superb job of describing behavior there!
oh wow!!! i'm impressed. please if you have facts then do share. other than posting all your bs here. all i am still hearing is your rumors you post here.
Saturday, 9:31 AM
Public meeting does indeed mean open to anyone. However, public is NOT ALLOWED to ask questions in most of those meetings.
Mr. Griggs is now hiring RNS. Yes RNS. ALL Paramedics take note you may be HISTORY.
He has one part time RN due to the fact that she works for Air Evac and she works about 3 shifts maybe a month. Most RN's would not do this job as the training is totally different. So blow hard keep blowing it will not happen that paramedics will be HISTORY! I am an RN and I know better I work in an ER but not here!! I live here and new to this blog but I do know that I am sick and tired of you, blow hard, you need paramedics. Mr. Griggs, it appears to me, that he needs to worry less about the office gal and more about getting competent paramedic. So no you vindictive, small minded, trouble stirring blow hard the paramedics are not nor will they ever be HISTORY!!
I know the two girls you are talking about and you are so mean spirited. First off I have never nor would I ever work at Giles Cty EMS. Both of those girls are wonderful people and good paramedics, but you feel the need to slander them because you feel that you can!! Well I am telling you these 2 have said nothing and when asked the speak only about what they know and never wish any one any maklice. So get off of then its not that them making your life miserable look to yourself first and maybe you will find the answers you need....
The facts have already been stated ad nauseum and you know it. Fact one: There are not enough full-time paramedics. Fact two: Because of this shortage we are paying astronomical amounts in overtime wages. Fact three: At the budget meeting Mr. Griggs asked for a raise for his secretery that was unbelievably out of range. This public employee is already being paid way more than most county employees in similar positions and asking for a 30+% raise is rather odd to say the least. Fact four: You mentioned a complaint being filed that did not accomplish anything. Whose fault is that? This is just some of the information that I have gathered through the newspaper, talking to people who were at the meetings, and what people have posted on these blogs. I have my facts. Lets here yours. You seem to have an unusual amount of knowledge about the inner workings of the GCAS, why is that? Are you perhaps the dreaded incompetent secretery we have heard so much about on this blog? Obviously you do work at the ambulance service or you would not be so knowledgeable about what goes on there. There are my facts...now you give me some or be quiet.
(stay at home mom)
mom...
Here are some of "my" facts:
You will never see me in a tight skirt.
I love Giles County and want to see it prosper.
I don't think you guys ever stop complaining.
Giving Mr. Griggs a lot of grief allows others some much needed time off.
I do not work at the ambulance service.
If you have evidence of wrongdoings, you should turn it over to the legal authorities.
I don't believe some of your facts.
Those who are so miserably unhappy here always have the option of leaving.
How do you like "my" facts?
This blog is a great place to start,everyone can express their own thoughts.However if everyone wants to do something about what is going on at the Ambulance Service then the whole county needs to know about it.As I said this blog is great,but there are a lot of people that know nothing about it,many that do not even have internet.Look at other ways of getting the word out.Call your county comissioner and tell them what you know. There are some that will not listen,beacause they know what is going on, they are part of the cause.There are some that will listen, and if enough get together they can do something.Forget going to the county exec. Many people especially older folks in the county read the news paper. Write letters to the editor.Bring information out to everyone.Who knows what a call to local TV stations might bring.Everyone here don't stop.Keep talking till something is done.
You will never see me in a tight skirt.
what in the world does that have to do with anything. maybe the only time yoo wear it is when you role play.
anonymous...
Please read the stay-at-home m om's suggestion that I may be a secretary. I was merely responding that I will not be wearing a tight skirt. Wrong gender, you see.
I didn't realize that you would miss the point.
Just making the statment that you don't wear tight skirts does not make your gender obvious. Most women I know don't wear tight skirts. Also in case you didn't know...Men can be secreteries as well as women. In answer to the question about your facts....Is that the best you can do? As far a legal issues are concerned, I am a concerned citizen pointing out issues that need to be addressed at the ambulance service...if laws have been broken that is not for me to decide but those that are in charge. If there are people at the ambulance service who have been wronged I hope they will step up to the plate because and do what should be done.
(Stay at home Mom)
Oh and just one more thing....it doesn't matter whether you believe facts or not...facts are facts.
No might you probably do not work at ambulance service but I bet you serve on the ambulance committee. Could I be right? Your are right no one would want to see you in a tight skirt..
Hooray for the mighty a-nag-u-must. Once again he has shown the superior intelligence and insight required to keep him in total oblivion for at least another hundred years.I am amazed that you finally admitted to wearing that tight skirt, I bet it wouldn't be so tight if you didn't keep both your butt and your head under it. Just keep your head where it's at and you'll never have to face "facts". I thought you were just and idiot but now realize you have greatly exceeded that realization.
Bad Fart, I don't think anyone on this blog wants to hear your crap. I'm not the one who has been posting either.
Nag u must finally realize that there is a very bad problem over at the ambulance service or you want to stick your head in the sand and continue you to think its all good here in the county. 5 of them at the place have slandered many good people and ran off 95% of medical staff, and Director Griggs allows it. Oh but he sure does worry about that heffer in the office wonder whats up with that. Shoot me out a rainbow nag. Thanks Bart..
A Code of Ethics -
It's more blessed to give (the shaft to the people) than receive (their critism in open meetings).
i myself think you'd look good in a tight skirt. so why dont you write a letter to the editor? oh maybe it's because you'd have to sign it, couldn't keep it secret like you do here, huh? call the tv station? i think they got better things to report on other that the nothing that is happening here at a ambulance service. where's the slander at? do you even know what slander means? probably not. SLANDER - A false defamation (expressed in spoken words, signs, or gestures) which injures the character or reputation of the person defamed; distinguished from libel. does that help? the only one i see slandered here is mr griggs. oh and another thing i dont much think that RN's are gonna take over the EMS either. not when they can go and work at a hospital for 30 to 4o bucks an hour. maybe that's what they should be paying our medic's here. stay at home mom, maybe you should get a job then maybe you'd have something better to do than sit here on the blog all day.
It is not slander when what is being spoken of has the facts to back up what is being said. So sorry to disappoint but Mr. Griggs has not been slandered, but he has sure down that to all ex employees from there!!! Along with his minions!! As for RN's taking over I do agree with you on that, whom ever wrote that statement has no basis in reality. Stay at home mom has the hardest and most unappreciated job out there I applaude her for being able to do that. Not only is she there to nuture her childern but has also made the decision to stay informed and be concerned about what is going on in the county they live!!!Keep up the good work stay at home mom..
Thanks for the kind words...it is always nice to be appreciated.
I read the sounds of silence. hmmm? realize your wrong? Or maybe you were just ignoring the truth?
naa just ignoring you and maybe you'll shut up.
Have I been suddenly transported back to grade school...Does anyone have any issues to discuss?
seems that way. guess they can't think up any good"arguments" against the overwhelming amount of evidence or any better names than moron.
unsmart bart..
You continue referencing to sexual perversion and then try to cover by displacing your warped libido onto me. That don't don't hunt, as we say down here.
There is a difference in slander and truth. But it's just low-down mean to try to embarrass and ruin the reputations of people just because you are either jealous of them or resent their having the power that you long for.
unsmart..
Typo there. I meant to say that dog don't hunt. Thought I'd clear that up for you before you attempt to make an issue of it.
If you are referring to Griggs being slandered I would like to know what color the sky is in your world!!! Because the only ones being slandered are the former employees that Griggs and his minions do on a consistant basis!!!
To a-nag-u-must what difference is there in don't and dog when you doesn't got neither one. How dare you talk about my libido being warped it's as straight as a level, and even in your tight skirt you ain't never seen it.
You talk about "embarrass and ruin reputations" do you not realize you are the most destructive character assassin in the county, of course you don't because you can't see daylight where your head is. Consider this when someone says something negative about another person then gives the supportive evidence to prove such a claim it isn’t slander or libel. On the other hand when you do as you and simply make unfounded and unsupported accusations based only on rumor you both slander and libel that person. Not once have you given any evidence to support the things you say about others, you just make a stupid charge, call an idiotic name then slink off back under the rock from where you came.
Bad Bart said, to "a-nag-u-must":
Not once have you given any evidence to support the things you say about others, you just make a stupid charge, call an idiotic name then slink off back under the rock from where you came.
You're exactly right about that, Bart. But don't be so hard on a-nag-u-must! Based on the evidence -- the idiocy of his repetitive arguments, and his seemingly infinite time to monitor and post to this blog -- he almost certainly is a "civil servant," ie, one of the waterheads who work for the government, and would probably starve to death if they couldn't get a make-work government job.
Just the other day, I read a news story that quite likely was written about a-nag-u-must:
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Man with tiny brain shocks doctors
A man with an unusually tiny brain manages to live an entirely normal life despite his condition, which was caused by a fluid build-up in his skull.
Scans of the 44-year-old man's brain showed that a huge fluid-filled chamber called a ventricle took up most of the room in his skull, leaving little more than a thin sheet of actual brain tissue (see image, right).
“It is hard for me [to say] exactly the percentage of reduction of the brain, since we did not use software to measure its volume. But visually, it is more than a 50% to 75% reduction,” says Lionel Feuillet, a neurologist at the Mediterranean University in Marseille, France.
Feuillet and his colleagues describe the case of this patient in The Lancet. He is a married father of two children, and works as a civil servant.
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A "civil servant" with no brain? Kinda brings new meaning to the old saying, "good enough for government work," doesn't it? Go to this URL--
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12301-man-with-tiny-brain-shocks-doctors.html
--and check out the scans of "a-nag-u-must"'s empty cranium!
I have to agree with that. Or maybe he is a retired civil servant with an elected postion or could this civil servant be an administrative assistant ( fancy word for girl friday)? Any way you slice it the nag has yet to back up one of the complaints that they of made and yet continues to slander and call names!!!!!Hmmm sounds like they are still living out that high shcool thing!!!! Come on Nag lets hear what you have to say and this time give me the facts in regards to Griggs, His Minions, and Giles County Ambulance Service, I am growing older by the second, so I am real interested in what you have to say!!!
Applause! Applause! Applause!!!!
Stay-at-home-Mom
But it's just low-down mean to try to embarrass and ruin the reputations of people just because you are either jealous of them or resent their having the power that you long for.
and there lies the problem. griggs and his minions think they have power. Exactly what kind of power do they have? the power to affect the lives of the people of giles county when they are in need? yes but it is a tragedy that those minions don't have that knowledge they should have but they do THINK they have the POWER to bully people, spread lies and make up whatever they can think of, boy if that's power I definattly don't want it and I'm scared that the civil servants in leadership roles in this county abuse it in the fashion they do. You need to start doing your job! you don't have power you have a duty and your not fullfilling it.
It is so cool to see that people are paying attention to the issues facing our little community. A great man Mahatma Ghandi said it best when he said "You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
anonymouslikebart/los said:
But it's just low-down mean to try to embarrass and ruin the reputations of people just because you are either jealous of them or resent their having the power that you long for.
What evidence do you have that "jealousy" or "longing for power" motivates those you call "whiners?" Are you a mindreader? Or have you actually done psychoanalysis on the so-called whiners?
I have been known to attack Roger Reedy and Janet Vanzant, both of whom are (as a matter of documented fact) fork-tongued liars, and who, (based on their behavior) appear to be mad for power. Putting my negative opinion of these two politicians onto this blog makes me a "whiner," in your eyes... correct?
Well, I can assure you that my motivation in condemning them has nothing to do with either jealousy or "longing for power."
Neither Reedy nor Vanzant have anything that I would be jealous of. Neither is especially wealthy, especially intelligent, or especially well thought of. I certainly wouldn't want to change places with either one of them, if given the chance. So we can scratch off "jealousy" as my motivation.
That leaves "longing for power." Personally, I don't consider either one of them to have all that much power. Reedy is just a part time legislator at the absolute bottom of the totem pole of power, and Vanzant's only real power, is to name people to committees. Whoop de damned doo. Any first term Congresscritter has vastly more power than Reedy and Vanzant put together, so I am not impressed with either one, and CERTAINLY bear no feelings of jealousy!
More fundamentally, the only "power" I crave is the "power" to be left alone by everyone else-- especially the busybodies who make up the government. Frankly, I regard "longing for power" over your fellow man to be a red flag indicating a sickness of the soul. No psychologically healthy person wants to dominate and enslave other people (the essence of "power"), which partly accounts for why our system of government is so screwed up. Only a power lusting psychopath is likely to want to be a Senator or a President, so that's exactly the kind of people we get stuck with in those jobs.
Normal, well adjusted people do not covet power over their neighbors. They "live and let live" in accordance with the Golden Rule.
Anonymous, we have a local government that routinely breaks the law, made up of public officials who lie to the public, in order to gain political power. You need to recognize that the so-called "whiners" are simply good citizens who are trying to make local government conform to the laws that are written for them to follow. Your stupid character assassination, which claims we are motivated by such base desires as "jealousy" and "power lust" simply will not wash. You know that's not true; I know it's not true; and everyone reading this blog knows it's not true.
Why don't you stop apologizing for evil (lawbreaking, lies, and oppressive taxation) and ask God to forgive you for having spent so much time smearing good people, who are trying to make things better in Giles County? As you have to know the mendacious nature of your campaign to vilify the "whiners," it would seem to be prudent to repent of your sins, and start leading a good life... before you get run over by a bus, or something.
Is scoring a few cheap political "points" worth losing your immortal soul? You may think your postings are anonymous, but I promise you that The Man Upstairs knows who you are, and is keeping track of every lie you tell, every smear you make, and every lustful urge you have to steal from (ie, tax) and dominate your fellow man. My advice: repent now, while you can! And then, stop being an anonymous jerk who spends his spare time apologizing for corruption in local government. One day... maybe much sooner than you think... you'll be glad that you did!
Anonymous, August 01, 2007 3:24:00 PM:
Mahatma Ghandi was a whiner! He should've just shut up whining about British oppression, and let the properly constituted authorities do their jobs and govern in peace.
All respectable folks know that people in government can do no wrong, cause if they tried to do wrong, other folks in government would arrest them and put them in prison. So, there's no reason to "whine" about lies or lawbreaking or oppressive taxation.
Just shut up, pay your taxes, follow orders, and LET THE SYSTEM WORK! Got it???? Good!
above anonynomous. Sounds like hitler ormaybe even stalin. I really hope your post is a sarcastic one.
Anonymous, August 01, 2007 4:33:00 PM, said:
Sounds like hitler ormaybe even stalin.
Actually, I was channeling a poster who is known as "a-nag-u-must." His specialty is calling people "whiners" when they demand open and honest government in Giles County.
I really hope your post is a sarcastic one.
Oh, believe me... it would be hard to get much more sarcastic than I did in that post. If I hadn't assumed that it would be obvious who I was spoofing, I'd have included a smiley. But I guess you're new here, and didn't get the joke. Sorry bout that!
Kendrick..
The tactics being used on here are low-down mean. Can you honestly compare a man like Ghandi to this little group who throws rocks at anybody they don't like? I NEVER said the message was wrong....just the mean-spirited tactics!
Well, Mr. McPeters it looks like you left them speechless. Great work!
it seems the small wolf pack aka stray dogs have retreated to lick their wounds or put their small minds together to formulate some new name calling and lies to cover up their terrible and purposefull mistakes.
Anonymous. August 01, 2007 5:59:00 PM , said:
The tactics being used on here are low-down mean.
Other than firing back at those who call me names, all that I have done is to point out lying and lawbreaking by public officials. Do you honestly think there is some "positive" manner in which to do that? Either way, I'm not going to lose any sleep, if a fork tongued liar like Roger Reedy, happens to take offense at what I say about him.
Can you honestly compare a man like Ghandi to this little group who throws rocks at anybody they don't like?
Well, it wasn't my comparison in the first place... but why not? Allen Barrett, like Ghandi, has "stood up to the man," and even been arrested for what he believes. And, like Ghandi, he's a peaceful, non-violent type of guy. So, it looks like the comparison is valid, at least in basic terms!
And note that the "rocks" are not being thrown at people the rock-throwers simply don't like. They are being thrown at people in public ofice that lie (eg, Reedy), break the law (eg, S. Jackson), exhibit imperial arrogance (eg, Vanzant), mishandle tax dollars (eg, Tee Jackson), or appear to be incompetent (eg, Griggs). I don't think anyone -- certainly not those of us who sign our names to our criticisms -- are attacking people for a "personal" reason, such as mere dislike. Anyway, in the face of documented wrongdoing, what would you have us do? Keep our mouths shut until the next election, and hope things get better then, somehow? You know that would be ridiculous, and an abdication of the citizen's responsibility to be "eternally vigilant" of their elected and appointed officials.
Politics is not a game for sissies. Those who can't stand the heat are well advised to get out of the kitchen. Or they could, you know, stop lying, stop wasting money, stop breaking the law, etcetera. There's always that tactic, if they want to put an end to bothersome complaints from the voting public!
I NEVER said the message was wrong....just the mean-spirited tactics!
You wouldn't know "mean spirited" if you tripped over it. It's not "mean" to tell the truth about a public official's misdeeds.
If you want to talk about mean spirited, please look into the loathsome lies that were injected into the local gossip mill, regarding myself and other prominent anti-zoners, by the pro-zoners, round about 1991 through 1994. The pro-zoners were never willing to sign their names to any of the malicious stories they made up and spread, by word of mouth, about me and a few others. Like the "anonymous" cowards who attack me on this blog, they were smart enough to avoid putting their necks on the line for libel prosecution. But that doesn't make what they did any less "mean."
(And, no, I'm not still pained by anything they said; but I haven't forgotten it either. And I know that I, along with WAB, Mr. McDermitt, and the other "whiners" here, have behaved much more honorably, than the 1990's pro-zoning smear artists.)
Anonymous, August 03, 2007 10:22:00 AM, said:
it seems the small wolf pack aka stray dogs have retreated to lick their wounds...
Anonymous, can you please help me out here? I don't know if the "wolf pack" you speak of is made up of "whiners" or "anti-whiners." Please clarify...
wab is Ghandi? You have got to be joking!
Anonymous, August 03, 2007 4:00:00 PM , said:
wab is Ghandi?
That is not what I said. I said that he could be compared to Gandhi "in basic terms." That meant that, while WAB does not walk around in public wearing a diaper, or share his bed every night with teenaged virgins to test his celibacy, his political activity does bear some similarity to Gandhi's. For instance...
Gandhi was a religious man who believed in using non-violence to effect social change. WAB is a religious man who believes in using non-violence to effect social change.
Gandhi was opposed to oppressive taxation in India. WAB is opposed to oppressive taxation in Giles County.
Gandhi got his message out, by writing many letters to the editor of Indian papers. WAB gets his message out, by writing many letters to the editor of the local fishwrapper.
Gandhi opposed the tyranny of the British imperialists. WAB opposed the tyranny of the educational imperialists, Gonzo and Jackson.
Gandhi was arrested for his efforts, and was later vindicated. WAB was arrested for his efforts, and was later vindicated.
Gandhi suffered both verbal and physical asaults launched by his numerous enemies. WAB is frequently defamed by anonymous internet cowards, and was assaulted by shyster Chuck Cagle.
Again, although the Gandhi/WAB comparison was never my idea, it's obvious that there is some credibility in it. Obviously, we are dealing with a much different scale here; Gandhi was on the national stage, while WAB devotes his efforts to reforming Giles County. But in terms of basic principles and strategy, the two men have a good deal in common.
If you dispute this, please enumerate the things WAB has done which Gandhi would've frowned on.
You have got to be joking!
It's no joke. Non-violent resistance is non-violent resistance is non-violent resistance. Gandhi stood up to those in power, and suffered for it. WAB did the same, albeit on a much smaller scale.
But before you ridicule WAB for only having non-violently resisted the School Board's illegal "speech policy," let me ask you a question. When, in your life, have you "stood up to the man," refused to cop a guilty plea, and thus found yourself, solely for the sake of principle, facing a possible jail term? You'd better believe that Gonzo, Jackson and Norman were serious about making WAB and Mr. Winkles serve jail time. Both men were thorns in their side, and they wanted them to go away, one way or another.
Also, note that, by sticking his neck on the line, WAB managed to make things incrementally better in Giles County-- that is, private citizens now have a (limited) right to speak at School Board meetings.
Anonymous, when was the last time you spoke truth to power, got arrested for it, and faced a jail sentence? And what have you ever done to make things better in this fair community?
Please don't evade these questions. Answers, please!
anti-whiners
All I know is that the whiners seem to have dropped off. Why is that?
Sat., 9:18 AM
Could it be that the people you considered "whiners" are not the same "whiners" who post on this blog?
Who do you think these whiners are? There have been many references to certain people without mentioning names. Who exactly are the whiners...I need clarification.
the defenders if griggs and his little pack of dogs have been silent? guess they ran out of colorfull names to call people who are only telling the truth.
anonymous...
Lots of people around town know who this little band of know-it-alls is. All you have to do is ask around the square. That should sufficiently clarify who they are.
I have a question to throw out.
Is sticking one's neck on the line the same thing as exposing one's rear end? Just wondered.
To a-nag-u-must, there you go again making big claims but giving no specifics. A simple question should be addressed with a courteous answer. If you merely had as much courage and integrity as you have gall and gossip you might eventually become worthwhile. Until then enjoy the coolness under your rock.
August 5,12:54 PM
Ask the owners of stores around the square, or are you meaning the courthouse employees? It seems fairly obvious that the "whiners and malcontents" are fabricated in your mind - I think you post something controversal then respond, claiming that post to be from a "whiner and malcontent". If I am wrong about this, then how about giving us some names of who you consider those whiners and malcontents to be.
In response to the blogger who asked about the difference between sticking your neck out and exposing your rear end....On the website usingenglish.com it is defined as taking a risk.I was unable to find a reference to exposing your rear end but I have always understood it to be a lack of discretion that is exposed against ones will....So as you can see there is clearly a difference...Which camp are you in?
WHERE OR WHERE IS "CONCERNED CITIZEN?" JUST WONDERING, ARE YOU STILL IN LOVE WITH VANZANT?
The know it alls as you have called them have stuck there necks out on the line and continue to do so!!! The only rear end showing is that from the wolf pack; better watch out if one is seperated from you they might just turn on YOU!!!
Why do you not just give us the names of these know it alls then maybe we can dial them up and if there story has not changed then would we know whom was speaking the truth!!!
If you are a Vanzant supporter watch your back because she never knows what side she wants to be on....she has known that this at the ambulance service has been going on for at least these last 3 years and I sure hate to think of the other million things she has not done a thing to Correct.
Oh please inform us concerned citizen on what you really know and how all the people are wrong. I can almost gurantee that we will not hear a word out of you and if we do there will be no facts and just a bunch a mindless name calling!!!
I want to clarify my post on, Monday, August 06, 2007 2:44:00 PM,
regarding the whereabouts of CONCERNED CITIZEN.
If you are a new reader of this blog you will need to go through the archives of this blog and the old one and read all the post made by, “CONCERNED CITIZEN.” Since we haven’t heard a word from her, I can only assume her relative is no longer in the good graces of the ambulance service and Vanzant. My, how time changes things.
unsmart...
You call me every name in the book and then expect a "courteous" answer to a simple question? You have GOT to be kidding!
The question came up again about who the know-it-alls are, and nobody seems to know? All you have to do to know is ask people around town. And these complainers may be right about some things, but I will say AGAIN that their arrogant and know-it-all attitude is what I have a problem with. And those traits are absolutely undeniable. Furthermore, you know that, don't you?
who are the know it alls?
maybe the know it alls just know the truth and are letting those in the dark know, that's what you can't stand
The only aggragance around here is you these know it alls as you call them have names, because the only names that keep coming up when asked is the same 5 from the ambulance service and they all still work there all in town agree that they all need to go ad then maybe we can put that service back on the right foot. So now lets have some more of your now famous name calling..
I wish people on here would quit taking in code....because I don't know what any of you people are talking about. If you want to have a private back and forth conversation with someone can't you do that on e-mail? I am so lost.
Just ask around town who these people are.
Yeah, the know-it-alls have a corner on the "truth" market, and they can't stand it when people don't go along with them. Those who don't are then called nasty and derogatory names. And that's not arrogance? If it's not, then what is?
To a-nag-u-must, why don't you, with all your inside information, just enlighten the people on this blog as to who it is you spend so much time talking about but not identifying. One thing I have come to realize is that you are not arrogant, you are just a pompous windbag with the IQ of a rock.
now wait a minute i went thru this whole dang blog and i never saw a name under any of those name calling post you refer to...
WAB & Kendrick only have used the word liar so now really who are you pointing your finger at??
and they didn't ask around town they asked YOU who still hasn't answered...
unsmart...
There you go again describing my behavior. Hilarious.
How can I make it any clearer to you that all you have to do is ask around town who this little group is. That's simple enough for a fast learner like you. Laughable.
To anonymouslikebart....
What is obvious is that people on this blog do not want to go around town trying to confirm vague rumors that you are starting on this blog...so if you want to say something say it and if you don't, stop. I personally would not go around and ask people such questions and I can't believe that any thinking person would engage in such behavior. I don't even know who the heck you are making these accusations and rumors toward and I'm sure many others feel the same way.
anonymous...
I wasn't spreading any rumors or making specific accusations about anyone. Where did you get that?
All I said was in response to the one who keeps asking who the troublemakers are about town. As is true in any town, all you have to do is ask around and keep your ears open, and you will know who they are. I have a little more class than to mention individuals by name, which is NOT the norm for this blog!
If you want to know, ask. If you don't want to ask, just listen to the talk. It's as simple as that.
August 12, 3:40
Perhaps in your eyes you are not being specific, however, to anyone else you are when you talk about "troublemakers" and I believe I know the people you are referring to. Again, you are wrong. The ones I have in mind are only the people who make an effort of trying to attend the local government meetings. Does that make them troublemakers? I don't think so. And as for you thinking you have "class". Sorry, you obviously don't possess any or you would not be writing on this blog in the manner in which you do on an almost daily basis. A shame coming from a county employee.
No, I am again right in what I said. I've even heard people refer to them as "that little group of troublemakers". I didn't coin that phrase. I merely told you what I have heard around town. OK?
The fact that people take the initiative to attend meetings does NOT in and of itself make them troublemakers as you suggest. But when they get on this blog or in the paper and call people liars, crooks, and the like, that makes them troublemakers!
Sorry to disappoint you, but I DO have a bit more class than to resort to those tactics. And that's the real shame in all of this.
I've even heard people refer to them as "that little group of troublemakers".
And that's precisely how the British referred to the Founding Fathers of America! Anyone who is in power automatically views as troublemakers, those who set out to liberate themselves out from under their control. Funny, that...
and when has anything showed up in the papers? I haven't seen anything in the papers and I haven't heard any groups of people around town talking about that little group of troublemakers. matbe it's just the little group you hang around with that spout that off?
Has anything shown up in the papers? If it has not, why? There are obviously issues at the ambulance service that need to be addressed. Why won't our public officials do what they are supposed to do?
And its because nothing is being done by the public officials that nothing has shown up in the papers!
Kendrick..
I was just reporting what I have personally heard mentioned. Ok?
Thanks for the American History lesson.
funny how I go to town almost every day and have never heard of this "small group of troublemakers" but I have heard people talking about the trouble that exists at the abulance service when they hear or see an ambulance. and how something needs to be done and how nothing is. and why?
anonymouslikebart said...
anonymous...
I wasn't spreading any rumors or making specific accusations about anyone. Where did you get that?
All I said was in response to the one who keeps asking who the troublemakers are about town. As is true in any town, all you have to do is ask around and keep your ears open, and you will know who they are. I have a little more class than to mention individuals by name, which is NOT the norm for this blog!
If you want to know, ask. If you don't want to ask, just listen to the talk. It's as simple as that.
Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:40:00 PM
From what you have written I am begining to think you do not know beans about the people you keep talking about.
This line of conversation is stupid...the person who asked you obviously wants you to tell them not ask around town as you keep telling them to do...obviously you want to make innuendos but not say anything outright...It looks like more small town gossip to me. Things never change.
Hi I to am growing tired of the ineundo's and small town gossip. I am one of those no goods that have left the ambulance service and I have stayed quiet and to myself since leaving but I am tired of the lies and name calling that this blogger does. Do not think I am not very scared by doing this I am but some where I have to stand up for what I know is true and right. I have a child in school here who has came home so upset because ot those who spread these rumors. Why is it not in the paper becasue those in power have swept it under the rug and why have I not gone because I thought of those I thouhgt where my friends and wanted it no harder for them than it was!!! But things change, so now if there are any out that there that would like to know truths I will tell you what I know just ask
Please Mr. McPeters let them through it has been many years and we that are in there direct line of fire are very use to there hatful hurtful ways. I could no longer sit idlely by and just let the lies go on I have been quiet for way to long. Thank you again for allowing a fourm as this and for people like me to be heard.
Don't wait for questions,just start telling what you know.
Please take off the moderation and let them through
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