Resignation of County Commissioners as Topic
During the past few days there has been much discussion among Giles County Citizens about a few select County Commissioners Giles County County Commission
posted by Allen Barrett | 11:01 PM
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Seems like a fair thing to ask of these commissioners. But, how do you go about proposing that idea and making it happen? Edwin Lovell and Tommy Campbell have come to be two of the most arrogant citizens in this county.
Rose Brown's agenda being on the County Commission is to vote in favor of everything Tee Jackson proposes to the commissioners. Since Tee Jackson was against the Financial Management Act she went to work kissing Tee's rearend to get the act removed. In other words, a yes woman.
Jack Woodard has always been a yes man to Corky Wakefield. Oh, and come to think of it, maybe a few more could be added to the list of requested resignations. How about Terry Hughes? Didn't he sign the petition? Another one who has aligned themselves with Tee Jackson. How are we to trust these commissioners in doing what is best for our county when most recently their greatest accomplishment has been to mislead and deceive the citizens of this county?
So now the "enlightened few" are asking for the resignations of select commissioners? Now THAT is what I call arrogant! These individuals happen to have a different view , and you want their resignations? Please tell me you are joking and that you were kidding when you called them arrogant. Isn't that somewhat hypocritical? You people never stop, do you?
I can't help but wonder who will be the next to be crucified. And that is exactly why I would never run for a public office in Giles County. I would not be able to tolerate the smearing . Shame on you folks.
Does Chicago or Detroit look any better to you?
No. There is no shame on these folks whoever they might be. I think they are perfectly right. The people mentioned in the first posting went AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, THE VERY ONES THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT! Seems to me they have lost what little respect they may have had, and I believe from their fellow commissioners as well.
We have elections in August, then again for commissioners two years from now. I think in the meantime we should be rallying against the commissioners who took a public stand against the will of the people and begin campaigning now to get them ousted out of office in 2010. (Of course, there were a couple more commissioners who were against the will of the people but they did not make public stataments against the fin. man. Act, but we know who they are, dont we?)
Thanks Mr allard for getting this important topic on this blog.
Yep sure are anonymous 10:00am. This is no joke. You must be close friends or related to the above mentioned. Now, had their views just been different and they been honest with their convictions it would be another matter all together. If you have a hard time comprehending plain english,then let me simply break it down for you- THESE COMMISSIONERS HAVE LIED. You know what a lie is right? People like that who blatantly lie to the citizens do not deserve to be a voice on the County Commission for their constituents. Am I making myself clear? There is no smear campaign going on at all. Citizens are only voicing their concerns based on the actions of these less than concerned commissioners that chose to align themselves with people who try to control the masses and deceive and cheat the citizens. This is all about control. We as the citizens are taking back control of our beautiful county. Perhaps, the deceivers are the ones that need to move on, considering their job is done here if all they want to do is control and lie. Citizens are fed up!!! Oh, and trust me there are more than a few of us "enlightened ones" that feel this way. Haven't you heard the results from the election returns? Lastly, it is abundantly clear we would not want your respresentation in county government "IF" you are a member of this group that lies. Hope your day will be a great one as mine sure will as we begin to make changes in this county for the better one day at a time. :)
10:00 Since when is over 50% the enlightened few. I have more than a high school education, and I know anything over 50% is the majority.
Thanks anonymous 10:59 for making that clear! It seems that the liars and their followers can't do simple math.
The commissioners are supposed to represent the people, not try to sway the people to their views. Personaly I think the commissioners should keep theirs views to themselves. They should have meetings with the people in their district and get a true feeling for what the people want.
anonymous..
You say you hope my day will be a great one. Sorry, but after the way you talked down to me, I rather doubt your sincerity. And, for your information, I voted for the Act. But, at the same time, I did not run around calling people liars anc rooks who voted otherwise.
What exactly did the liars lie about? Please list them and then be bold; sign your name to the post. I'll be anxiously awaiting that one. You may find that, not only can those who take issue with you, do math; they can also read and decipher!
well, what if these commissioners had enough of their constituents asking them about the viability of the Financial Management Act? Seems like they did a good thing in giving the public voters another opportunity to approve-which they did - although by a smaller % margin than the original vote in 2006. Wonder what the numbers will be next time when there is a vote - oh yeah, there will be a vote - especially if it turns out that the FMA is costing an extra 200,000 or 300,000 a year extra. Just a thought.
11;25 Do you not think the 2% difference in the two votes was the commissioners pushing against it? It probably will come to another vote, because the select few (44%) Can not be content with what the majority (56%) want.
First of all, I do sincerely hope you have a good day. Also, in doing so may you find that you are wrong and hopefully come to your senses. Sorry you think I am talking down to you. I am stating facts. It is a shame you think because someone calls you to task they are talking down to you. Again, a liar is a liar. Everyone who endorsed the ads on WKSR and in the paper lied. They misled and misconstrued facts. How hard is that for you to understand? Go to the finance office and get the facts that have been presented by those for the act. That is where there facts actually came from. Are you going to challenge the proof our finance office has??
Those facts are as follows:
The 200,000-$300,000 dollars is all employee's combined salaries that will be moving from the various depts. to the finance office. These salaries are already in the budget. Is that hard for you to understand? I want to make sure you are following what I am saying. The opposition wants the citizens to think that this is "new money" allocated for the finance office. IT IS NOT!!! Call the finance office and get the salaries for the 4 employees coming from the school system, the 1 from the hwy dept., the 1 from the ambulance service, the 3 already in the budget office and simply do the math. That is a total of 9 employees. Since you say you can add it shouldn't be hard for you.
This number of employees also coincides with the number of employees the "opposition" says will be hired for the new finance office. They want you to believe there are more being hired when they say it is going to require 8-10 employees. Therefore, more money needed to fund additional salaries. There are no new employees being hired!!!! There are your first two LIES.
There is more if you would like me to go further. But, isn't that enough to constitute lying? Of course it is. One lie or two, lying is lying.
As far as signing my name- I will when you do :)Do you think my statements are validated because I attach my name? Actually, all of my facts come from our finance office and that is all this is being questioned, not my identity.
To address the smaller vote count this election "for" the financial mgmt act, there were also less who voted in this election. But, find fault where you may. The liars still lost!
The number to the finance office is 363-5486 and I am sure they will be happy to answer any question you may have.
You are right that you can take issue with me any day or anytime but, can you pick-up the phone or better yet, stop by the finance office and ask to be presented with the facts on paper? If you were so bold as to do that, you might be less inclined to continue posting in defense of the "liars". Just trying to help you save a little face, if you know what I mean.
I wish everybody on these blogs would at least go a little extra and pick a name so I could reasonably keep up with the ongoing conversations, or at least know who is yelling at whom about what.
anonymous..
So am I understanding you correctly when you say I need to come to my senses by agreeing with you. Sorry, but no deal. How many times do I have to tell YOU that I voted in favor of the Act? And even if I didn't it's none of your business. Furthermore, I have a right to vote any way I choose. I never allow people like you to intimidate me.
Oh, don't worry; I completely follow what you are saying. And I do not accept your challenge to sign my name as well. The point you are missing, your excellency, is that I am not out here accusing people of breaking the law. But YOU are! So, I merely asked you to sign your name to those charges in order for those being accused to know who is doing the accusing. That's fair, isn't it?
Hey, I don't need your help for me to "save face" as you call it. I've not done anything to be ashamed of. Have you?
Finally, I'll not be calling or visiting the finance office. I'm sure they have had enough visits from you guys to do them for the rest of the year.
You know, you really should see a doctor for your anger issues. Perhaps a mild sedative such as Prozac would help. I do know that your continual upset and anger is not healthy. Just trying to help you save your sanity and physical health if you know what I mean.
I almost forgot. If you have evidence of wrongdoing, why dont you turn it over to the legal system and then butt out? Wouldn't that in and of itself be beneficial to your mental health?
Why is it that you continually want something turned over to the legal system?? Do you not understand the difference between illegal and unethical?
No it is probably not illegal to tell a blatant lie to try to persuade citizens to vote the way you want them to, but it is certainly unethical for a person elected by the voters to serve the citizens and to provide the best information available for their districts to tell a blatant lie or misconstue the facts with half truths.
Maybe you have no problem with being told lies in this instance, but where would you draw your personal line for it to be a problem to you???
You talk of everyone else having anger issues. What do you call your issues??? Why does everyone around you who has an opinion and is voicing it under anonymous (as you are) have to be mentally ill.
I respect you right to voice your opinion and I think you should respect mine. I am not a elected official of the county with any kind of power to influence the tax payers dollars with untruths, are you??
I do agree that it would be easier to blog between individuals if we use "nicknames". Mine from her on out is "Freedom of Speech"
3:05
You know, you really should see a doctor for your anger issues. Perhaps a mild sedative such as Prozac would help. I do know that your continual upset and anger is not healthy. Just trying to help you save your sanity and physical health if you know what I mean.
Take your own advice.
Now would someone please put the votes for and against in each district on this blog, with the Commissioners name from that District. This would help tell us if he did what they wanted.
If he was against and most of his District voted against it, then we know he did what they wanted.
I too am disgusted with all the name calling. It's okay to have a difference of opinion. People are entitled to that and if certain elected officials did lie, tell them at the polls if you won't sign your name. I do have to tell you especially the first poster...I only know one of the commisioners that you called by name and you are so very wrong about Mrs. Brown being a "yes" person to Mr. Jackson. She is her own person, honest and ethical. I didn't agree with her views on the FMA, but I am grown up enough to know mature, intelligent people have the ability to "agree to disagree."
Anonymous..
Thank you for the positive things you said, and particularly with respect to Rose Brown. Where do these people get off trying to malign anyone who disagrees with them? I have always had a problem with that and keep pointing that out to them. But they respond by calling me either a supporter of lies and corruption. Idiocy!
freedom..
I say turn it over to the legal system if you have evidence of wrongdoing. Again, I must tell you that this is the right way to do things. Nobody appointed your little band to that position. I know that makes you angry, but that's how it is. Of course, you can always exercise your right to vote against those you disagree with. That is the democratic way of doing things. So there you have it. There is the legal way and then there is the democratic way, neither of which you guys seem to be embracing.
By the way, what makes a commissioner think he or she is representing their constituency by basing their vote on twenty or thirty phone calls? That is NOT representative of the entire voting block or district. However, I have known of one commissioner who based his vote on exactly that...a few phone calls. Can't you see where that could have been contrived, say by a little group of people who are intent on affecting the outcome of a vote? Surely, you can see that. You should be able to see where a few people could collectively decide to make those calls and influence a commissioner. I think our commissioners have to be smarter than that in view of the group that's always complaining about something.
Boy oh boy I have a lot of ground to cover!Where do I start??
I see ANONYMOUS 3:05 that you appear to think you are a doctor or perhaps, a counselor of some sort in order to try and diagnose me and proceed to prescribe medications. The only medical condition I currently have is hemorrhoids. You know that nagging pain in your anal sphincter. In other words YOU! You must have meant I needed Preparation H. Thanks for your medical advice though, but I will leave that up to the trained professionals.
You said, "Furthermore, I have a right to vote any way I choose. I never allow people like you to intimidate me." I haven't tried to intimidate you, but I see I very much get under your skin and I think the truth should intimidate you.
Another of your statments,"Oh, don't worry; I completely follow what you are saying. And I do not accept your challenge to sign my name as well."
Well, first of all I could care less if you post your name with your statements or not. You are the one who just seems to HAVE to know who I am. You might be very suprised who I am! I appreciate you giving me the title of royalty by calling me your excellency. I think you may be starting to like me a little.
Who do you say is accusing people of breaking the law? I haven't. But, you sure are starting to make me seriously wonder what you know that I don't. Has something illegal taken place? Please explain. Furthermore, I have no shame and putting my name to my post isn't going to change the validity of my statements. I have spoken the TRUTH. You sure do read a lot into something that is not there. Great imagination you have!!
You said,"Finally, I'll not be calling or visiting the finance office. I'm sure they have had enough visits from you guys to do them for the rest of the year."
Of course you aren't going to visit the finance office. You apparently don't seek the truth. If you found out the truth you would SAVE FACE and back down with your ridiculous jibber jabber.
You really need to explain again, for now I think the fourth time, what you mean by evidence. You trouble me with this statement. Are you trying to tell me there is evidence of wrong doing. I am really trying to understand.
Anonymous 4:01 what do you mean when you say, "People are entitled to that and if certain elected officials did lie, tell them at the polls if you won't sign your name."? Why tell the poll workers that certain ones lied? What do you think that will accomplish? That statement makes zero sense.
As far as Rose Brown goes, she is a yes person to Tee Jackson in the sense that she attached her name to the ads that lied to the people and a vast majority knows that those in that group against the act are close allies to Tee Jackson. Heck she works for the school system. DUH!! I personally was surprised that she did that. If anyone cared enough to get the facts on this issue before jumping on the band wagon with the liars they would have never aligned themselves with that group.
On a final note, I can't imagine how this group is ever going to salvage their reputations after all the damage they have done. The talk is unbelievable in this town about this group. People are angry they have been misrepresented and have to wonder why this group would go to such great lengths and spend gobs of money to get this act out.
This whole issue raises many questions and anyone that stands in defense of this group without honestly looking at the facts becomes questionable as well.
Again, if you lie, you are a liar. Why is that a difficult concept for some to grasp? I certainly didn't make anyone lie, they did that all on their own. The angry posters need to direct their anger and questions to the ones that have lied. Sorry you are so angry at me :(
301 You're the worst kind of loser - got your name on the petition, pretending to be upright and above reproach, hoping people will think you're something else. You truly know right from wrong, but what you write is wrong!
I'll bet your husband has migraines!
nothing but.....
Hey I thgi k you have me confused with your own rectal orifice. As for people getting under my skin, its obnoxious know-it-alls who do that to me every time. How convenient for you to say I don't seek the truth. That's about as absurd as saying people don't kill people; guns do. It's actually the other way around.
For the sake of brevity, let me suggest Preparation H for the roids and a strong daily dose of Prozac for the head.
Whi is angry at you? Certainly not I. You are the one who seems to be popping at the seams. Please calm down. It's not good for your health.
Thanks again for your condescending DUH. You can't seem to grasp the arrogance in that, can you?
Do you think Rose Brown has a right to her own view? Please don't try to evade the question by stating that she is a "yes" person for Mr. Jackson. You know what; that could very likely be a lie. And, to use your own words against you, a lie is a lie and one who tells them is a liar!
In my unprofessional opinion, you are a most frightening person. I would hate to have you this angry at me and with a gun in your hand. I say that kindly and with hope that you will either take up another less stresful hobby or seek professional help.
Goodness, grumpy's girdle snapped & the dress ripped right down the middle! You are a bigger person than I thought you were.
If you'll put the "n" back in "seek", as in "sneek the truth", we might find some pretext of sanity.
I started to offer the same suggestion in the last communique to you, but figured you were on LSD & would get the Prep H & the pills in the wrong ends & wind with no way to keep the upper plate up & the lower plate down. You really need to turn off the hate switch & chill out.
With all your talk about guns, if I were your husband, I'd be looking for a safe place to hide. Saying people shoot people, & not guns is a real scarry thought. Nothing like a wild woman on the war path.
ps you finally hit a few wrong keys - if you slam your finger too hard on the keyboard, you might break it, or the finger & things will only get worse.
Hey, I think I have gotten you just upset enough that you can't even type. Read your post again. Funny!
You said, "As for people getting under my skin, its obnoxious know-it-alls who do that to me every time." You think I am a know-it-all because I take a stand on truths. What does that make you? A know-it-all based on what? You have no basis. Not truth obviously! I had much rather be what you call me, a know-it-all with facts than a liar. Just to stop you before you say I am now calling you a liar, I am not proposing that you are a liar, only the "lying group". I think we both know the group I speak. Of course you know. Those are the ones you stand in defense of.
You stated, "Whi is angry at you? Certainly not I. You are the one who seems to be popping at the seams. Please calm down. It's not good for your health.
Thanks again for your condescending DUH. You can't seem to grasp the arrogance in that, can you?"
I am so glad to know you are not angry with me and I sincerely thank you for being so concerned about my health. However, I find it hard to believe you due to the fact that you seem to not care whether citizens have been fairly represented or deceived. Why are you showing so much compassion for little ole me? Yes, I know you are being sarcastic. For shame, I was hoping to win you over. I guess if I lied to you I might have a better chance of doing that.
It is a shame you feel frightened by my statements. Although, the truth has a way a scaring people sometimes.
I think the whole group of people that allowed their names to be used on that Ad in the paper against the 81 Act should hang their heads real low, especially the current commissioners. The one I will always remember is the editorial that Edwin Lovell wrote stating that the people didn't know what they were voting on the first time. He looks real stupid now. Lovell, there are a lot of smart people in Giles County. We all knew very well what we were voting on the first time and we also know who the people are who try to control this county and think their s--- don't stink. The so called "think they know more than anyone else" needs to get off their high horses. Do you think these people got the message that they're not as popular as they think they are. Did they get our message loud and clear this time?
What about our Road Superintendent, did he get the message also? He should have and he should cooperate 100 percent from this point on. If not, election time is near.
Again with the insults when a poster doesn't agree...So very childish. Simply disagree, offer your opinion on the SUBJECT, and move on. Does it make the insulters feel superior if they throw in a bushel of derrogatory remarks to someone of a differing opinion? I'm the poster who stated that I do not believe Mrs. Brown is a "yes" person for Tee. That's my opinion. I've spoken with her on many occasions and yes she does work for the schools and she does answer to him professionally and I also have been around long enough to know that the school board and Tee can be very vindictive as a group if you don't follow the 'party' line. So you disagree, that doesn't make me a crook or a liar. As I said, I didn't agree with her position on FMA...Do all of you who hurl these insults agree with everyone you care about 100% of the time? How boring that must be... And what I meant by telling the elected officials at the polls that you disapprove of their position, (I forgot to explain this clearly apparently) is not telling the poll workers. I am sorry, I thought everyone would understand that I obviously meant by casting your vote. I took it for granted that people would know what I meant. I repeat my sincere apology for assuming too much. But I can tell you as a mature, educated, "interloper" as a recent article in the paper referred to people like me, hurling insults and slamming people regardless of whether they are in agreement with you or not, doesn't make you any more "right" in your views. It just makes it sound like you have no basis for your opinion, so you blow a lot of smoke as a distraction.
single mom is back!
Single mom you apparently have impaired reading and/or comprehension skills. Do you think you can understand if I explain it one more time? Gee, I hope so! Once again, I have never called you or anyone else that has posted opposing my opinion a liar unless those posting in opposition have been those who attached themselves to the ads. Now, you couldn't possibly be one of those could you? Just a hunch!
How much is a bushel? Do you even know? Quite a lot and I don't believe I have offered that much as proof that those against the financial mgmt. act have lied. Unless of course you are trying to tell me something. Are you? Is there really more deception out there by this group that has not surfaced yet?
You said, "I'm the poster who stated that I do not believe Mrs. Brown is a "yes" person for Tee. That's my opinion."
That is exactly right you are entitled to your opinion as am I and just because I don't agree with you does not make me childish. It is my right to disagree with you as you have disagreed with me.
On the other hand, you and no one else will decide when it is time for me to drop it and move on. Have I asked you to do that? NO! I don't plan to either. We can debate this issue all day and until the cows come home.
You asked the question, "So you disagree, that doesn't make me a crook or a liar. As I said, I didn't agree with her position on FMA...Do all of you who hurl these insults agree with everyone you care about 100% of the time?
All of who? I disagree with people often. However, I don't tolerate anyone that lies and will call them on it every time. It is unfortunate that those that lied chose to do so, I guess they should have thought more carefully of the ramifications before they did so. I am not sorry for calling a spade a spade. I am sorry though that citizens were deceived by those they had come to trust and respect over the years. That is truly shameful!
As far as you being called an interloper, I had no idea what that word even meant until I looked it up in my Websters. So, you got that one wrong IF you are trying to nail me on that one. Not saying you are, I sure wouldn't want to assume.
It sure is sad that you won't gather the facts yourself and seek the truth. You haven't and I know you haven't because you wouldn't continue with the repetitive rantings.
I don't care if you agree, disagree, like or dislike me. The smoke I am blowing is the truth in your face and I don't think you or anyone else ranting like you are on this issue can handle the truth. That is why you attack me. That is fine though. I can deal with it. This I do know, once you lie, you always have to keep lying to cover up the last lie you told. I haven't lied. Not to you and most especially not the general public.
Oh and by the way single mom, I never noticed you were gone. Sorry :( WELCOME BACK THOUGH!!
Turn your "facts" over to the authorities and let them do their jobs. Nobody appointed a little group of malcontents to that position. Present your case and butt out. It's really a simple process. Hut I doubt that you will do that. I honestly think you people get off on causing as much grief and drama as you can...all of course in the name of truth, justice, and the American Way. Again, present your evidence and butt out.
I get tired of "IDIOTS" getting on here and constantly telling people to present their "FACTS". The person that is labeling themselves as, "nothing but the truth" seems to be very factual. You people who can not accept facts NEED TO BUTT THE HELL OUT. I hope I can make myself loud and clear. I don't belong to any type of a group, but I get sick and tired when the truth is pointed out, their are a few that take great offense to it. It leads me to believe that your toes are getting stomped on hard. You must either work for the school central office, or at the highway department. Let me know if I am right!!!
Should persons who have taken a public stand on issues be allowed to work at the polls?
Turn your "truth" over to the police then.
fact finder...
Isn't it incredible; you are wrong! I don't even have friends or relatives working at those places. I just get SICK AND TIRED of people saying mean and nasty things about others. If they can prove wrongdoing, let the cops handle it..then YOU may butt out!
So, I was wrong. Been wrong before. I did ask for you to let me know if I was right. Thank you for letting me know. Now, my question back to you is, What are the "cops" going to do about lying?".
1201 & "butt out" = classic pieces of crap that want dignity where there is none. True deciples of the devil - moral relevancy to the core.
If you can't stand truth, stand against it & get run over. You are irrelevant to morality & the way things are going to happen.
Sick and tired of people calling liars and crooks, liars and crooks. What should we call them? Good liars and crooks? "Professional" liars and crooks? Do you like liars and crooks? Are you one of them? How about the sophisticated and highly educated socialites who solicite more and more of our excess cash to put to their worthy causes, who will put every dime in their personal benevolence fund plus give some of it to other highly trusted crooks???
TO Nothing but the truth: I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't recall posting a msg to you. I posted a msg saying people who hurl insults because someone disagrees with them is acting childish. I am sorry you took is so personal. I just like reading the opinions even those that differ from mine, sometimes I learn things I didn't know. I don't know what made you think I was addressing you personally. I still think that mature people should be able to "agree to disagree" without either being labeled stupid or whatever. I was not referring to the topic such as "lying politicians." I was referring to the posters (plural) who say, (paraphrased) "if you think 'such and such' you are an idiot or worse. Again, I apologize if you took offense, it was not intentional. single mom
Go single mom!! I know Mrs. Brown and she is not a yes man or woman. She is a very honest person who stated what she felt was the truth just like the rest of you did. If it did not agree with you that is too bad. I "think" we are all adults here. We should not name-call. If the voters feel they were lied to they will take care of it when they vote. You all have been stating that the voters will speak and have so let them. Leave it alone. I know that the voters said yes and even though I did not that is fine, the majority spoke. We accept it and you should just shut up and accept graciously.
In order to keep peace and tranquility alive and well in Giles County not to mention the happiness of an anonymous, anonymous I suggest that the terms liar or crook no longer be used in favor of less provocative language. I suggest that henceforth we identify appropriate persons as purveyors of non-factual information disseminated with or without delusions of reality and a less than scrupulous personal activity activated and practiced by an attached personality. Allen Barrett
wab...
What an irony. You are leading the charge against smearing and name-calling? Could this be a great day of awakening? I certainly hope so, but I doubt it. I detect your usual condescension and sarcasm.
And thank you single mom and anonymous 5:57. This is what I've been telling them for a long time. If there is evidence of wrongdoing, take it to the authorities; if there's evidence of deceitfulness in elected office, take care of it at the polls. This smearing and name-calling needs to stop!
If you don't call a liar, a kiar, they won't know you're talking to them. It's like calling "kitty, kitty, kitty" when you want the pet skunk to come.
Mr. Barrett, I could not help but think of you today when I saw the national news. The gentleman who went to a council meeting and opened fire reminded me of you. I have seen you temper at work at public meetings at the courthouse and at the school and I can actually see you doing something like this. I know that is makes me think twice about attending. I like to keep up on what is going on in Giles County since I am a retired citizen on a fixed income. I can see you snap like that. It is bad when someone avoids public meetings for fear of seeing a display of anger like you have presented in the past. I have not gone to a meeting in over six months for that simple fact. I would like to think that something like that would not happen in Giles County but I have come to believe that you indeed have the temperament to do that. You are not incouraging citizen to attend these meetings with your actions but discouraging.
To "Nothing But the Truth"
Yesterday someone on this blog brought up the question 'should someone who has taken a public stand be allowed to work at the polls'. You seem to be a seeker of truth and what is right or wrong in our local government. I'd like to hear your response to the question.
Personally, I think if a poll worker has made their opinion on an issue public, they should NOT be allowed to work the polls at the election when that particular issue is voted on. After all, just their presence can be influential to some people. From some things I heard happening at some polling stations, I think Giles Co also ought to have Poll Watchers and I say this with no reflection on Ms Bassham. What do you think of that?
wab..
Well, surely you can see from the above post that I am not the only one who is trying to help you understand yourself.
912 - The venom of liberalism is at work. The snake speaks. Those who fight deception and corruption are violent and unpredictable because they don't love the lowly snake. After all, snakes have feelings, rights, and family ties. God made snakes and everyone should love all of God's creation. We need a hug a snake week, right?
Of course, you are feeble, retired, and scared to death that you might be held accountable for all of the crap you do by stealth in darkness. Yes you are pitiful, not in a physical way, but by the incurable mental abomination called "liberalism".
To anonymous of the 8 Feb. 6:29 post.
You state, “ I detect your usual condescension and sarcasm”. It’s time you had you “detector” replaced, it’s so far off that it can’t be fixed. You might try to lighten up a bit. With the proper therapy you might even develop a sense of humor, better yet take the short cut and get an implant. There was no “condescension and sarcasm” only a bit of humor.
To anonymous of the 8 Feb. 9:12 post. I could not help but think of you Monday as a visited St. Thomas and saw a man tied in a chair, his hair was matted and drool was running down his chin. He sat there totally oblivious of his surroundings with the only signs of life being the constant groan coming from the pain of a broken hip. His mind had been ravaged by Alzheimer’s and his eyes were lifeless in their constant stare. It was a heartbreaking sight. Now you might think, well that’s not me at all but dear anonymous I assure you that is a far closer description of you that yours is of me. When you see me coming into the courthouse with a 50 cal., five bandoliers, 3 M16’s, 30 banana clips, four 45’s, a shotgun and a Rambo knife then you should start to worry, until then I assure you there is nothing to worry about from me. Look the simple fact is not you nor anyone else in Giles County has seen me lose my temper or even come close. You may have seen me be forceful or passionate about a matter especially involving my stolen Constitutional Rights but it’s very doubtful that you will ever see me out of control. Fourteen years in the Housing Projects and twenty years in the military has grown too great a discipline to lose control. Your attempt to make me your scapegoat is very weak in deed. If you don’t attend meetings it’s by your own choosing not by my doing. Others, the Sheriff, commissioners, audience members, seem to overcome their fear sufficiently enough to not only attend but to engage in conversation with me. Perhaps it’s time you did a bit of self examination or better yet get a reality check. If this sounds a bit harsh it was intended to be but it is in no way intended to be mean spirited. Hope to see you at the next public meeting. Allen Barrett
I think this entire topic is absolutely ludicrous. Since when is 50-something percent an "overwhelming" majority? A majority, yes, but hardly overwhelming. Where I come from, 50 percent is half. That means that a little more than half the people voted against the FMA and a little less than half the people voted for it. Therefore, these commissioners were voicing the opinions of just a little less than half of the people. Since less than half the commissioners voiced their opinion for the FMA, it seems to me that the entirety of the people were represented in some form by their local officials.
Last I heard, that's what the democratic process was all about. Is not government in the US a party system? Republicans, Democrats, and Independents are all represented in the Senate and in the House of Representatives - and I don't hear anyone calling for the resignation of these elected officials. That would be absurd. On the contrary, they work together, with different opinions, each day. That's what defines our country.
Those calling for the resignation of county officials whose views simply represent a different portion of the people than theirs are calling for tyranny, dictatorship, rather than democracy.
If you really can't stand the fact that someone else has different views than you, perhaps you should pick a country whose tyrant has the same views as you and move there. Then we would all be happy - you because your opinion, regardless how absurd, would always be right, and the rest of us because you would be gone and we would no longer have to listen to you profess that everyone here should always agree with you.
What idiocy.
You miss the point entirely 10:53. Problem wasn't that they had a different opinion but that they lied to the public in an effort to convince the public to go along with their lie. As for the political process I think if you read a few more papers you might find that more than one county in Tenn. has removed or sought to remove an elected or appointed official. If I remember right and I do we even had a governor a few years back who got removed early.
I'm sure you didn't mean to say "Where I come from, 50 percent is half. That means that a little more than half the people voted against the FMA and a little less than half the people voted for it". More than half voted for the FMA and less than half voted against it.
My apologies, I did type the vote results backwards. I had meant to type "a little more than half the people voted against dropping the FMA..." and I was interrupted and forgot the type the word 'dropping'. I am happy to stand corrected.
As for the officials lying to the public, I must disagree. They did not lie, they simply had a different view of things.
And everyone who voted for the FMA should remember this in a year or so -- The FMA will indeed cost the county a great deal of money and will, I am afraid, be less efficient in the long run. Yes, people from various departments will be moved into the FMA office, and their salaries will be moved with them. I agree on that point. What some people fail to realize, however, is that the heads of those departments will certainly hire new people to replace those positions which they will lose to the FMA office. Thus, the cost of salaries of these people (and so to the county and the taxpayers) will virtually double, which will end up being several hundred thousand dollars a year extra that the taxpayers will be paying in salaries.
Do I agree that persons will need to be hired to replace the positions lost to the FMA office? No, in most cases I don't. But what some people fail to realize is that it WILL happen. And you can complain about it and lobby against it all you want, but there will not be much that you or anyone will be able do about it. Those positions will be replaced, mark my words. And we all will be paying more out of our own pockets to funds it. Watch and see.
wab..
Spoken like a true "man of God" there. I think you need a leson in humility. Why don't your was some feet tomorrow at your church. And, on Mondy, why don't you either enroll in an anger management class or have your head examined by a psychiatrist? Remember, I am one of severl who are trying to help you.
Dang, I had better go back and retype my post before one of you guys calls me ignorant or uneducated (same thing).
I think you need a lesson in humility. Why don't you wash some feet tomorrow at your church? And, on Monday, why don't you either enroll in an anger management class or have your head examined by a psychiatrist? Remember, I am one of several who are trying to help you.
Anonymous Feb 9, 12:00
These people would only be replaced if the commissioners vote funding for new positions. Unless the commissioners are planning political suicide, I dont believe they will do that. Rmember too, the annual budget has to have a public hearing before it goes to commission for vote on acceptance.
I see you are still struggling with the results of the referendum. Is it not you who has always pointed out "the democractic process prevails"? Its pretty obvious there are only a couple of negative people writing in on this blog and it is very easy to determine who they are. People have good memories, your words are very repetitive.
Feb 09 110
"People have good memories, your words are very repetitive."
I never attempted to hide that I had written the other post. If you would actually take the time to read the entire post, you would notice that I apologized for a typing error in my PREVIOUS post. Hardly an attempt to pretend I was two people! Perhaps you do that and so assume others do.
As for struggling with the vote, I am not. Yes, I am disappointed with the outcome, but the FMA remains as per the vote and I, like you, will be paying for it. As I stated earlier (yes, in a previous post that I typed), watch and see.
And that was my point in the last post, that it will indeed cost us money. The point in the first post was that, regardless of which side someone may be on, we all have the right to choose and should not condemn others simply because they do not choose the same view as we do. Two completely different subjects. Perhaps you should read more carefully.
As for me, that's all the time I have for the blog. Probably permanently, as I likely will not log on again. While I haven't read it very long, it has already become very apparent that anyone who does not agree with WAB and his small group of followers gets ridiculed for anything they post, even if its just a comment about the weather. If I said it was sunny today, you all would argue that it was raining without even looking outside to check. I've had enough in a very short time, which I'm sure you'll be glad to hear. Now you all can agree to everything said here and be content to know that, if the current trend continues, it won't be long before no one but you will be reading this blog. Kind of defeats your purpose, doesn't it?
WAB once again you are showing your arrogance. Instead of apologizing (which we all know you cannot do) for terrorizing a citizen you belittle them. I too have seen you in action. You have on more than one occasion shown anger in public meetings, if as you say we have not seen you lose your temper then I would not want to be in the same state when you did. You show so much arrogance. I will pray for you because you so need it. You need to pray also for the Lord to show youself as others see you. I have never seen a happy moment from you. You have scared many people. I have seen people leave meetings in fear of what you were going to do next. You are very wrong when you make the writer seem like a blubbering idiot, they are right not you.
1:10, the offices cannot do without people. The budgets will have to reflect new salaries even if they are moved from another area, like maintenance.
Well maybe the ones who are left can get off their butts and answer a phone! Big deal.
1:52
I agree, its a beautiful day! Been outside myself most of it working on my barn.
I am pleased to hear you are backing away from the blog, but your type will not be able to stay away. Be talking to ya soon. Oh, before you go, exactly who is WAB's followers or group? I always thought he was a loner as far as his political activities are concerned. Come on Chicken, give us a hint, please.
Anonymous..
Oh, come on now; don't try to be facetious about wab and his followers. Anybody who knows a thing about Giles County politics knows who these people are. As I have stated more than once on this blog, all you have to do is ask about town who they are. If you read the papers, just notice how often they are in the Letters to the Editor section. But you know all that, don't you? All you want to do is have someone say it.
By the way, wab may be a loner, but he loves the spotlight.
Would someone please answer my question? 2-6 8:56 Should persons who have taken a public stand on issues be allowed to work at the polls?
A person who works the polls is not allowed to voice their views while working the polls. As long as they don't violate that it is fine. They can't tell you anything or where any advertisement for a candidate or issue. Why would anyone be intimidated when that person has no idea how they are voting. I think people are just trying to make and issue of something to make more trouble.
Mr. Barrett I agree with the other folks who fear what you will do next at the meetings. I think that is the reason we now have a law enforcement officer at the courthouse. They need to have one at board meeting also since you seem to make trouble there also. Maybe you should tape yourself during one of your tirades. Your tone of voice is not very nice. You sound furious. I don't see how you can even pretend otherwise. You should learn more control. Instead of encouraging people to attend meetings so that they can see for themselves what is going on you are running people off. I did listen to you tape of the incident with the lawyer, you were very aggressive and the lawyer was just trying to get away from you, he did not punch you as you say, maybe he touched you with his finger but that is not a punch.
FactFinder11:46:00 AM - I kind of agree with you on part of your statement- "What are the cops gonna do about lying?" Same thing with those two lying, thieving, low life, scumbags that have been in the White House for the last 7 years - Bush & Cheney with their constant lies upon lies upon lies and still nothing happens to them. Pitiful!
Scary stuff on here. Scary are some of these people who post what they want to do. Get these people to resign? We replace them with those who lost the last election - right?
Thought so!
Remember the threats too. They still can be traced....
I've know wab a long time and he is absolutely nothing like he is being described in a couple of these post.Is he tough absolutely but he is also very reasonable and approachable. What some of you fail to understand is that you are expressing an opinion and it is no better that anyone else opinion. This stupid thing about being afreaid of wab is nothing less than the most recent attempt to discredit him. As long as he backs up things he says with facts anddata and you keep whining with your feelings the only ones who will lose credibility is you. I though what wab said in response to the absurd comparason of him to a sucidal murder was a lot nicer than what I would have said. But because I write on he as anonymous you can use my name for your whining and stupid self-righteous feelings. The anonymous who has done the most whining about almost everything wab writes or says is far more guilty of what he accusses wab of than anyone on this blog, and that's a fact you can put in your bowl and smoke it.
Great post 11:04
To crybaby anonymous and their shadowphobic anonymous twin
do you have any idea how totally irrelevant your are.
11:04 You may know WAB but I don't and lots of other people don't. If all they see of him are public meetings where he is showing an almost violent reaction at the meetings then that is what he is showing to the world. I know that most people I talk to have the same reaction to his displays. HE FRIGHTENS PEOPLE. I don't mean a couple of people either. Maybe if I knew him I would feel like you do but I don't and since I don't like what I have seen of him I have no desire to know him. The facts are that he scares people and he needs to change his public speeches. He can speak his feelings without using his fire and brimstone voice and without chasing people down and charging at people. I have seen both. And I won't put it in my bowl and smoke it because I don't smoke, drink or take drugs. You just smoke it yourself!!
anonymous..
That reference to the the bowl and smoking was just another degrading remark, so you have to try overlooking it.
I think what you mean about people fearing wab is true. They don't fear him from a physical standpoint but rather for what he could do to hurt or embarrass them should they oppose his views. THAT is why people fear him, other than the fact that he really is a loose cannon.
I have been asked numerous times to run for a public office, but there's no way I could put up with being insulted and called names. Furthermore, there is NO WAY I could stand for my family being hurt.
People like me are irrelevant? How so? Let me guess. We are irrelevant because what we say id mot in harmony with what you think?
Hey Dumbo, In reference to wab try this from your own advice, "If you have evidence of wrongdoing, why dont you turn it over to the legal system and then butt out? Wouldn't that in and of itself be beneficial to your mental health?"
As for why the deputy is in the courthouse there was a little piece of legislation from the state that required that security measure it has nothing to do with wab or any other individual in the county. The Sheriff has been required to be at commission meetings since before wab even came here. You better lock your doors and windows and plug all the cracks in your house and have it surrounded by the police before the Boogyman comes to get you.
I know I responded to more than one anonymous but it's pretty clear you share the same dead brain.
Mr. Barrett please keep up the good work. This county needs someone with your knowledge to research. I have only met you a couple of times and you seemed to be a very pleasant and nice gentleman. The ones critizing you are just afraid of what you might disclose. Most likely they are the ones who are trying to hide something.
It's seems that WAB has the answers to all of life's problems. Especially when it comes to Giles County government and it officials. He seems to also have plenty of spare time to sit around and critize the local government and especially the officials. Therefore, why don't WAB and all his followers use their time more wisely, since they know everything, and run for public office. I have never seen any of their names on any of the ballots during election time. Could it be they are the one's who are really afraid. They can dish it out but apparently they can't take it. I bet a taste of their own medicine would be good for all of them. I would like to see Mr. Barrett in office and some citizen verbally attack him the same way he has attacked others. I bet when the shoe is on the other foot, he won't be so quick to hop on the keyboard and go to typing his opinions of everyone he disagrees with. I also bet having to go to jail for assault and have the video plastered all over the internet won't be so appealing as well. Mr. Barrett, I challenge you today to do something other than run your mouth. RUN FOR OFFICE. Apparently you were not raised in the south because you have never heard the saying, "if you don't have the balls to stand up and change the problem, then you don't have the right to bitch about the problem. So do me and everyone else a favor and either stand up or shut up. I personally prefer that you do us all a favor and just move to another state, but you don't know anything about doing favors for someone, or do you?
Mr. Barrett ran and lost. That shows what people think of him.
to feb 10 1057
wab HAS run for office. he ran for commisioner. he was soundly defeated.
to feb 9 1104
"Is he tough absolutely but he is also very reasonable" "As long as he backs up things he says with facts anddata"
you forgot to put 'lol' after that reasonable statment.
and backing up things with facts? that needs another lol. all ive seen him do is complain about things. he keeps saying hes got facts an data and people keep telling him to turn it over to the authorities and file charges but yet he never does. if he really wanted to fix the things he says are broken than why wouldnt he do it? because 1 he doesnt have any facts or data and 2 he wouldnt be able to feed his ego anymore if he couldnt keep accusing people and getting attention doing it. hes just so jealous of people who are in office he cant stand it. i cant hardly beleive myself he acutally ran for office. surely he didnt really think he had any chance at all of winning. he barely got enough votes to even be able to count them. that ought to tell him something but still he keeps on. if thats not ego i dont know what is.
Hey, I heard the city was needing a dog catcher. May WAB would be qualified to run for the office. That way he could be surrounded by a pack of dogs all day and all night.
Hey 6:03 You said this about wab,
"He can speak his feelings without using his fire and brimstone voice and without chasing people down and charging at people. I have seen both". Mark Twain spoke of you when he said "there are liars and there are damn liars and you sir are of the latter group"
You know I was going to just write the statement with the Mark Twain quote but I can’t leave it at that.
You people in all your smugness who keep condemning Mr. Barrett with outrageous lies
are beneath contempt. It’s one thing to have a negative opinion of a person and to give reasons why you hold that opinion but its all together a different story when you just flat out make up things that are totally untrue and try to pass them off as factual. The man is one of only a very few who actually have the integrity and fearlessness to put their name on what they write. He has paid a very heavy price for that but his character is such that he would do it no other way. Everything he has written on this blog could have been posted under anonymous and no one would be the wiser yet knowing the criticism would come he obviously felt it was important to post his name. Now there is an effort to attack him not on any thing truthful but connived lies. He ran for office and was defeated what is so horrible about that when you compare it to someone who would never put themselves and their ideas on the line for a public vote? He may have finished fourth in a four person race but he got over 200 votes. Yes he is polarizing the only people who are not are those unwilling to take a firm public stand and not be swayed from it. I assume your reference to him “chasing people down and charging at people” was the incident with the school board attorney. I was there and it was clearly a matter of the attorney losing his temper, which he has done several times before, he was fired by the Maury County School Board for throwing his briefcase at a board member. The attorney butted into a conversation that didn’t even involve him. If it was Mr. Barrett who was in the wrong why did the attorney pled guilty, apologize, pay all court cost and serve a year on diversion?
Mr. Barrett is a very kind, caring and gentle man with a keen sense of humor who can not tolerate those who would steal his civil rights and destroy the constitution. You see he is a patriot who served his nation defending those constitutional rights and responsibilities.
I heard him say that had he simply been allowed to speak at the County Commission and school board that would have been the end of the matter.
Based on the things he has spoken about and written on this blog I would consider him among the better prepared speakers and writers in the county. As he said during the trial in response to Asst.DA Penrod stating “Mr. Barrett you know everything don’t you”, “No sir I don’t, but I don’t talk about those things”.
So you anonymous jerks go right on spewing your lies and hatred accusing Mr. Barrett of the things that you are so clearly guilty of. Those of us who know him know the truth and inane babblings from the cowardly lions only show how totally irrelevant you are.
To a friend:
I agree with you completely. Mr. Barrett researches the information and brings it forth to the public. At that point he allows us to make up our own minds as to what we believe. He does not speak half truths or total lies to pursuade us to his way of thinking. He always tells us to look into the information he provides for our own facts. The people who condemn him are either scared of the truth or part of the lies.
Mr. Barrett, we appreciate you for giving us the info we need to know that there is mnore to the triuth than our elected officials and commissioners are giving us.
Together we will move forward!!
02/10/08 3:32 Sorry it took me almost 30 minutes to respond. I could not quit laughing at you. You have got to be the biggest idiot I have ever met. You slanderize everyone for not having what it takes (unlike the great WAB)to print our names, but your entire message was signed, A friend. You mean to tell me I don't have the courage to put my name and in the sentence afterwards, you too, wish to remain anonomous. Oh, excuse me, I met "a friend". God knows we have to be perfectionist in our English or this, "dude will flip a script". How's that for correct English you HIPOCRITICAL BASTARD. Or shall I just call you Mr. Barrett. I know it's you because you are the only person in Pulaski that like and agrees with you. I shall now call you a friend, or anonomous, or Kendrick McPeters or Kent Allard or what ever AKA you are hiding behind today. And by the way, I can not attend VoTech. It seems my Vanderbilt doctors degree trumps it you idiot.
2:44 Sir or ma'am, I do not like being called a liar. I have not lied on anything that I have ever written in this blog. The film of WAB chasing the lawyer is proof of his aggresive behaviior. See I do have proof. Anyone who wants to watch it will see. Now if WAB were a friend of mine and I might realize that he was harmless as you say. But I am not and to most people who see him in action he is a loose cannon!! He has spoken of the person (who I won't name) that is absent from his/her job, has anyone checked to see if they are using sick leave, if they are then he is starting trouble where it is not there. Half-truth. He has made other allegations that he apparently cannon back up since I have not seen any legal action. A person is innocent until proven guilty. That proof is not WAB's word for it. Now sir, I have not lied and you can say whatever you please I know the truth of my words. You can call people liars all you want but I know better. Of course there will be people who believe that what you say is true just like they have other issues but I still I have not lied about anything that I HAVE WRITTEN ON THIS BLOG! TAKE THOSE CAPITAL LETTERS!
"...its all together a different story when you just flat out make up things that are totally untrue and try to pass them off as factual.....Now there is an effort to attack him not on any thing truthful but connived lies."
i agree that it is a horrible thing to make up things that are untrue or state things that are only halftruth. the problem is, its wab who does it. and dont even think about saying he doesnt. i know for a FACT that he has posted lies on this blog. how do i know? becasue he posted some things about me that were complete not true, pure lies. and if anybody should know if something is true or not it would be the person its said about, right? i dont know where he got his information, but what he said was no where near being true. he doesnt even know me and ive only seen him once or twice in my life and we didnt talk then, so how can he know anything about me really? maybe what somebody else told him and if thats the case then he just took it to be true without proof just on what somebody said which is just as bad. and no, i wont say who i am becasue i dont want to be smeared anymore than i have been already. if i said who i was he would start on me again i know. once he gets an idea in his head whether it is right or wrong he cannot see anything else and yes, i could prove to him that what he said was lies but do you think that would do any good? no, he would still claim to be right even with the proof. if you want to talk about connived lies, then wab is the one you should talk to. and he can get on here and say this isnt true all he wants but sorry i know better.
wab..
Can you NOW see where all your troublemaking has gotten you? Do you really understand that going negative and calling people names is not the right way to go? Somewhere in my mind, I'm tempted to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are just ignorant about how to deal with your fellow man. But then I'm reminded that you are a preacher, and the thought becomes a paradoxical.
And you have the nerve to say that there are only a couple of people on this blog who speak negatively of you. Well, I've not even been near this computer all day, so you should see that I am not the only one who is attempting to help you. And, for our sincere effots, you see us as irrelevant. You need to wash some of our "irrelevant" feet.
Finally, and I've made mention of this in the past, it looks like a true friend of yours would pull you aside and tell you what an ass you are making of yours. Obviously that has not happened, and it's sad. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings here, but your coming in last in a district commisioner's race should tell you that most people do not appreciate the manner in which you deal with them.
Sorry about the typos. I didn't want someone pouncing on me for that.
404 Dr. Dolittle Do you have a stethoscope or are you a died in the wool liberal with a kaleidoscope. Is it a PHUD in moral relevance and confusion?
Get over your inadequacies & plant some turnips for inspiration. Maybe watch the grass grow. Your crap sank like the Titanic because people don't like you any better than your lies and corruption. The only sheepskin you got from Vandy was in the livestock pavilion! Get a life!
Anyone with a Doctors Degree from Vanderbilt should know how to spell anonymous.
Also hypocritical
If a person has had their names publicly placed in an ad for or against any issue, they should not be working the polls at election time. That's my opinion. The Administrator of Elections should always make sure there is no person working in and around the polls who has taken a stand one way or the other.
717; Sounds like my education struck a nerve with you. I did not inform you of my education to intimidate you, but apparently I did. For that, I appologize. However, I do want you to know that even though I got my butt up off the couch and made the effort to actually attend school, rather than sit at my home and gain a whopping 500 lbs., as you did. I know that regardless of a person's education, they will always make mistakes as I have, because we are educated enough to know, no one is perfect, not even you. But you seem to think because you have sat at home and ate yourself to a place of extreme obesity and obtained your education over the internet, it makes you important. Mr. McPeters, how come you were not educated enough to beat the QOL citation the city officer wrote you? Why did you need Mr. Barrett at your side when you went to court. It seemed you needed to confire with him quite often. Ha Ha.
What an amazing situation, I haven’t even posted on here since Saturday morning yet most of the entries seem to be complaining about me. I certainly appreciate all those who have come to my defense and the efforts you have made to explain the misconceptions and plain wrong attitudes some folks have prejudicially developed.
Apparently there are some who think that if I write anything it should be dripping with honey and apologetic for everything from the cold weather to every wrong on planet Earth. Obviously I don’t see myself nearly as important as some anonymous posters. Here’s the thing, there is not an armed militia making anyone read what I post. I have not made any attempt to force anyone to do anything. I simply post what I see as happening, supply the supportive information and leave it up to the individuals as to what they do with it. I have criticized no one for simply posting as anonymous and have even explained several times why it is necessary for some to post as anonymous. I have criticized some who have posted vicious untruths and slanderous accusations without any supportive information other than “their feelings” who have used the anonymous label to hide under. There is probably more stupidity than bravery involved with posting a person’s name but that is my choice.
To those who feel it necessary to whine about everything I say or think I say any intelligent person can look at the simple facts and know what is what. You can attack me all you want and that will not change. You can hold any opinion you choose but that will not make it true. There is a tape on this blog and on you tube that shows what happened with the attorney along with court records and there is more than enough facts on this blog and in public records to convince any open minded person with any level of intelligence of what the truth is. So I will not respond to the absurdity of a couple of irrelevant rantings accusing me of exhibiting the behavior they are themselves guilty of. I must however state that a formal education regardless of what level degree a person has is not and has never been an accurate determination of a person’s level of intelligence. So rant and whine all you want your irrelevance has exceeded your snobbish pompousness.
Allen Barrett
Mr. Barrett in my opinion when you justify their negativity with negativity it hurts your credibility. Although I do not always agree with all you say, I like to read your views. Your blog has gotten to the point that it is not longer about the issues but you trying to defend yourself against hostile bloggers.
Please continue to tell me what you think on issues, again I do not alway agree. But I respect your right to voice it.
To Anonymous of the 11 Feb 3:36 post
I appreciate your observation and will try to do better. Some attacks simply can not be ignored least they become thought of as factual. Allen Barrett
wab..
Your irrelevance has exceeded your snobbish pompousness. That's a quote from you. And you haven't heard a word any of us have said to you in an effort to help you see your true self. That is a shame. If you could just get over yourself and realize that it's not about whether or not you have the "factual information" but rather a matter of your arrogance and condescending attitude toward those who point these things out to you. You really can't see the forest for the trees, can you?
I'm still wondering if you would wash some "irrelevant" feet.
To anonymous of 11 Feb 6:12 post
It's not about hearing "your" words but about believing "your" words. You see you simply have an opinion about me that I do not agree with. Now if perhaps "you" knew me or had something to base "your" opinion on other than your feelings "your" opinion might mean something but until it is based on reality it will remain simply an opinion and we all have those.
As for my "arrogance and condescending attitude" it only exists in your mind. You know the amazing thing is that on various occasions you have made judgments about my mental health, judged my personality, judged my level of happiness, judged my motivation, judged my position as a minister in fact there is hardly any area of my public and private life that you have not judged and all of it without any real knowledge of me. What I would appreciate knowing is how did you become so qualified to judge anyone and in particular to judge me? Even Dr. Phil would not attempt a diagnosis of a person without ever even speaking with them and asking questions of them, no one with any legitimate credentials would attempt to do such a thing. So assuming that you have some integrity your judgments have obviously been those of a layman and as such have no more validity than those of a person in another state that may have simply heard my name. So, is there anything more “arrogant and condescending” than to set yourself up as a judge of other people’s personality, happiness, and life? And you talk about me not seeing the trees for the forest; you apparently can not see the speck for the log.
As for washing “irrelevant feet” I have never seen any irrelevant feet. Even those that may not work properly are far more relevant than your opinion. So you just hold on to your inane little opinions and make all your snide little remarks about my spiritual activities and see what they get you. The fact is regardless of what you think of me you will still be a little irrelevant person with your head in the sand and making no contributions, outside your own head, to anything worthwhile.
Allen Barrett
130 If you'll give an address, we'll send you a rack of bananas, or would you rather have a sheep?
You are a true imbicile
2/11/08, 1:30
What does QOL mean? It appears you have really pissed 10:26 off, but I have no idea what bananas and sheep have to do with a QOL. Inquiring minds want to know.....
Anonymous, Monday, February 11, 2008 11:14:00 PM, asked:
What does QOL mean?
As the City of Pulaski's "Public Enemy Number One," I'd be happy to explain. First, a little bit of legal theory...
There are two kinds of laws on the books:
(1) Malum in se -- “wrong in itself” -- i.e. laws against something which is inherently wrong, such as murder and rape
(2) Malum prohibitum -- “wrong because prohibited"
Most laws, unfortunately, are Malum prohibitum. They come into existance because control freaks tell whopper lies to the public, in order to win idiotic popularity contests known as "elections". Once safely "elected," the control freaks then proceed to write their aesthetic preferences into the "law," after which, soul-less robots who call themselves "law enforcement officers" use threats of physical violence, in order to make the general public "obey" the "law," no matter how idiotic.
Here's how it works: suppose someone who dislikes short baldheaded men gets elected Mayor, along with a "majority" of yes-men on the City Council. With the awesome power that attends this lofty office, they could easily pass a "quality of life" ordinance that requires short baldheaded guys to wear elevator shoes and a toupee whenever in public. Since Pulaski is now officially a crime free utopia, "law enforcement" drones like Chris Bue would no doubt feel compelled to waste countless hours harassing people like Dan Speer for allegedly violating the "ordinance," whereupon a tax paid shyster like Andy Hoover would waste yet more time and money "prosecuting" Dan Speer for "breaking the law."
I know that sounds pretty ridiculous, but it's really no more ridiculous than what I've actually been put through, of late...
I'm pefectly peaceful, and yet, I've been endlessly harassed by LEO-drone Bue over FLAT TIRES ON MY LATE FATHER'S WORK VAN -- which can only be seen by trespassing on private property -- and, when I went to court on the matter, Andy "Tax Parasite" Hoover actually argued with a straight face that this idiotic "quality of life" busybody law needed to be enforced.
Unfortunately, Judge Hayes refused to allow me to debate the merits of the law, and he refused to extrapolate the "legislative intent" of the statute (based on the title of the law, the entire text of the law, and common sense) and so he ruled that all that mattered to him was whether or not the van was "operable" and, since I admitted the tires were indeed flat, I was "guilty" and that was that.
Have you ever wondered how decent people fall under the rule of a tyranny? What happens is that, when the "tyrant" passes a stupid and/or evil law, policemen who proudly call themselves "law enforcement officers" use their taxpayer paid GUNS to harass and intimidate the general public into OBEYING the tyrant's dictates. To put it in a nutshell, you can't have a "police state" without the willing collaboration of the tyrant's "enforcers" in the police community.
In a free country, there is no such thing as a "law enforcement officer." Instead, there are "peace officers" who step in whenever the peace is disturbed by someone violating the rights of others. A good peace officer simply ignores laws that aren't worthy of enforcement. For instance, back during the days of Prohibition, every local cop knew the location of every illegal "speakeasy," but they left them alone. The "prohibition" of alcohol was clearly an example of Malum prohibitum, and these sort of laws are a low priority for "peace officers" who are on the job to serve the PUBLIC, and not whatever scumsucking politicrat happens to be holding "power" at the moment.
My opinion of robotic "law enforcement officers" is so very low, that you might expect me to wish them to all burn in Hell. However, I view that sort of wish as a redundancy, since I believe "Malum prohibitum" laws to be literally Satanic. That is, I believe it is sinful to use threats of violent force -- tin badge on your chest, or not -- against peaceful people, in hopes of making them obey a "law" that runs counter to their interests. As I pointed out to LEO-drone Bue, harassing me over a flat tire which nobody could even see without trespassing, and which no neighbor of mine had ever complained about... was hardly an example of following the Golden Rule.
To all the LEO-drones who may be reading this, I offer the following sincere and heartfelt warning: Someday, possibly when you least expect it, you will die, and meet your Maker. When that day comes, don't expect to get way with your sins aginst the public by invoking the Nuremberg Defense. "I was only following orders" doesn't even cut it, in this sinful and imperfect world, and the odds of God "buying it" are probably slim and none.
Repent now, while there is still time! And then, stop wasting your time (and the taxpayer's money) with enforcement of stupid and/or immoral laws that target innocent and peaceful individuals. Stop harrassing "good guys," and spend ALL of your clocked in time chasing after "bad guys" who murder, rape, rob, or commit fraud.
I don't care how much the PPD pays Chris Bue, and other local Robo-LEOs. It can't possibly be ENOUGH loot to justify putting his immortal soul in peril of hellfire. As Jesus once asked, "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
'Nuff said.
Thanks for clearing up my question about what a QOL was. However, you'll have to pardon my ignorance once again. My next question is how in the world can someone get a ticket for your tires being flat on YOUR own vehicle that is parked on YOUR own property. I hope I am reading correctly because it seems to me you are saying the police can come to your house and write you a ticket if your tire goes flat during the night while your asleep. Does this night violate everything our forefathers stood for when the constitution was written. Who gives them the right? Most importantly, why is it any of their business because the last time I had to change it flat, it wasn't hurting anybody but me and my wallet. Now when I have a flat, I guess I will have to pay for a new tire and a new ticket. What the hell is the world coming too.
I know what a QOL is and I'm completely for it. I think it is a great law, but it is not enforced near enough. For example, I use to live in one of the best neighborhoods in Pulaski, however I moved because my neighbor would not stop storing junk cars in his backyard. This may seem petty to most people but let me explain. These junk cars were infested with snakes, rats and other unwanted insects. This same neighbor also felt that he only had to mow his yard once or twice a summer. Thus causing more of a problem. The police gave him a ticket on two separate occasions but he continued to store his junk cars and not mow his yard. Well, this is where my problems started. Because when he did decide to mow his yard, all the rats and snakes came to my yard. Not only did this cause a problem, but I had to pay $344.65 to have the exterminator spray my house for fleas, spiders and other insects. Including termites which caused foundation problems to my home. I bought my house in 1982 for $77,000. Before my infestation of my neighbors rodants, my house was appraised for $154,00 in 2007. I sold it last month for $91,000. Where's the justice in that?
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SEEMS LIKE A PERSONAL PROBLEM BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBOR.I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE POLICE HAD TO BE INVOLVED.HAVE YOU EVERY HEARD OF CIVIL COURT.STOP WHINNING AND BE A MAN OR WOOOMAN.
Anonymous, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:02:00 AM said:
Thanks for clearing up my question about what a QOL was.
You are most welcome!
However, you'll have to pardon my ignorance once again. My next question is how in the world can someone get a ticket for your tires being flat on YOUR own vehicle that is parked on YOUR own property.
Well, under Dan Speer's law, if a vehicle is "inoperable" for any reason, and it remains parked in your driveway for 48 hours or longer, the police must get involved. At least, that's what Shyster Hoover argued, and Judge Hayes -- a genuinely nice man who seemed to feel some remorse at his role in harrassing me, by the way -- apparently agreed with.
So, if your transmission breaks down, and you can't afford to get it fixed until next payday, you'll be breaking the law! Don't be surprised to see Officer Bue at your door -- he visited my place three times! -- threatening you with violence if you don't knuckle under to Maximum Dan's benevolent and wise dictates.
I hope I am reading correctly because it seems to me you are saying the police can come to your house and write you a ticket if your tire goes flat during the night while your asleep.
No, the police would have to wait 48 hours before writing that ticket. That makes it perfectly peachey, doesn't it?
Does this night violate everything our forefathers stood for when the constitution was written.
Yes. In my opinion it does.
Who gives them the right?
Nobody gave it to them. Politicos like Dan Speer simply took it, and the "enforcers" at the Police Department mindlessly decided to whore themselves out as "muscle" to make the public obey Speer. Cause, "the law is the law," dontya know?
Most importantly, why is it any of their business because the last time I had to change it flat, it wasn't hurting anybody but me and my wallet.
It's NOT any of their business, but since LEOs like Chris Bue are only too happy to do Dan Speer's bidding, we are stuck with this rather rotten situation.
Now when I have a flat, I guess I will have to pay for a new tire and a new ticket.
The ticket, by the way, is a mere $50 -- it can be $50 for each day in violation -- plus, since I went to court, another $50 something dollars in court costs.
What the hell is the world coming too.
Merely the end of America's freedom and greatness. We had our time in the sun... but from here on out, it's all downhill. (And that's why I'm voting for Hillary this Fall. America needs to hit rock bottom before there's any chance of turning things around... and no candidate for Presidency has EVER shown such promise of running America into the ground, as Madame Hillary.)
Anonymous, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:29:00 AM, said:
I know what a QOL is and I'm completely for it. I think it is a great law, but it is not enforced near enough.
Not enforced enough? Now that's interesting... Officer Bue devoted no-telling how much time, to making an example out of me. (In case you haven't heard, Pulaski is now a crime free utopia, where no robberies ever take place, no kids are able to buy drugs from dealers, and the police, therefore, can devote their valuable time to forcing people to comply with Dan Speer's aesthetic preferences.)
In the case of your problems with your neighbor, a "quality of life" law wasn't needed. That's because, under centuries of common law, no one has a right to use their property in a manner that causes negative things to happen on someone else's property. Without a QOL law, you simply could have filed a tort lawsuit against your neighbor, and almost certainly prevailed, assuming the facts are as you stated.
In my specific case, no neighbor EVER filed any sort of complaint... and to see that the tires were flat required trespassing onto private property.
So, even if there might be a case for some quality of life laws -- against breeding vermin, for example -- they clearly should only be initiated by an "on the record" complaint from a bonafide neighbor. And the right to trial by jury -- supposedly guaranteed by the Bill of Rights -- should always be respected. Otherwise, these QOL laws are simply about harrassing innocent citizens, and filling the city coffers with extortion money.
"Because when he did decide to mow his yard, all the rats and snakes came to my yard. Not only did this cause a problem, but I had to pay $344.65 to have the exterminator spray my house for fleas, spiders and other insects. Including termites which caused foundation problems to my home. I bought my house in 1982 for $77,000. Before my infestation of my neighbors rodants, my house was appraised for $154,00 in 2007. I sold it last month for $91,000. Where's the justice in that?"
Your neighbor didn't cause your termites, the wood in your house caused the termites. Termites have two jobs to do: Break down the chemical makeup in wood and reproduction.
And get real...your neighbor didn't cause your house to drop that much in value. He might have affected the price somewhat, but no that much. Have you ever thought that your house is not worth as much as you think it is? Who appraised it? Your best friend? People kill me thinking that their stuff is worth more just because it is theirs. Don't you know that we are having a downturn in home values right now nationwide?
wab..
No, the arrogance and condescending attitude exists in YOUR mind. And I don't have to know you personally to understand how you are. But you know that, don't you. Psychiatrists did not need to speak personally with Hitler to know he was a paranoid schizophrenia with grandiose delusions of self. And I'm not comparing you to Hitler, so don't get all worked up. We all make assumptions or judgments about others based upon what is observable behavior.
Sorry sir, but I will not keep my inane little opinions to myself. You don't so why should I? And since you downplay my question about humility ("irrelevant feet"0, let me ask the question in a more direct and perhaps understandable way. Would you humble yourself to was Mr. Jackson's feet? That's a simple question that calls for yes or no. Say, will there be any irrelevant people on Judgment Day?
Oh boy, did you ever open the door for me when you mentioned my "contributions" to Giles County. What positive contributions have you made? I anxiously await your answer to that one.
Excuse me, I meant to say paranoid schizophrenic. Other typos were overlooked. Sorry about that, but the points made matter more than typos.
Kendrick - A beautiful story. I really enjoyed it!
We need to get a referendum going to pass a short bald creep law. Maybe part of the sentence could be wearing a long hair wig & a sign that says, "Creep Myrtle"!
Wonder if Road Man, Wheel Taxer & the "school quire" would get reved up again for a better cause?
812 A true satanic deciple. You cast a long shadow. You taunt, tempt, taunt some more, and work to find a wedge to separate the forces of good from your little playpen. As your sun sets, your shadow grows longer and more impressive. In the end, when the sun sets, you will be what you have always been, a pimple on a pee-ants butt, with little to look forward to other than being carried away by a bowel movement.
Riddler,
Who is a true satanic disciple (correct spelling)? You speak in riddles again.
Anonymous, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:21:00 AM, said:
Kendrick - A beautiful story. I really enjoyed it!
I'm glad somebody did! Since it has cost me over a hundred bucks to plumb the depths of Speerite idiocy, I'm glad at least one fellow human enjoyed hearing about my legal problems.
We need to get a referendum going to pass a short bald creep law.
I think that is a capital idea! As long as the City of Pulaski is gonna be basing its "law" on aesthetic considerations, then I'm all in favor of passing a "law" that deals with the scourge of short bald creeps. Such a law, if properly enforceed, would positively enhance my "quality of life." So... let's get together, and make the dream a reality!!!
Maybe part of the sentence could be wearing a long hair wig & a sign that says, "Creep Myrtle"!
That's a good idea. And maybe while we're campaigning on this, we could make that old Randy Newman ditty "Short People" our official song. Sound good?
Wonder if Road Man, Wheel Taxer & the "school quire" would get reved up again for a better cause?
I don't know... but if you get the petition together, I'll be happy to sign it! And then we'll take it to these "important people" and find out where they stand on this truly urgent and burning issue.
729. You are exactly what all the other posts describe you as. I have never written to this blog until early this morning when I read the post about the QOL. I was simply stating my opinion about a factual incident that involved me and my family. But you felt the need to attack me and my circumstance with your know-it-all demeanor. Your are truly everything and more of what people say about you. Why do you feel it is perfectly fine to tell about your incident and blast your opinion all over the screen. But when someone else does it, they are stupid. I was decent enough to not even write the names of the people involved, however you feel the need to do so. Does this make you feel superior over others. Apparently so. I knew I should have not listened to my friend and read this stupid blog. I guess the devil got a hold of me, but never again. This entire blog is filled with nothing but evil and I will never be apart of it again. Free Speech, not here, nothing is free about any of the speech that is written. If someone don't agree be prepared to feel the wrath.
Anonymous, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:04:00 PM, said:
Why do you feel it is perfectly fine to tell about your incident and blast your opinion all over the screen. But when someone else does it, they are stupid. I was decent enough to not even write the names of the people involved, however you feel the need to do so.
I am somewhat confused. The remarks above seem to be directed at me -- I'm the only one who has described a QOL incident, and "named names" in the process -- yet I most emphatically am NOT the author of the 7:29 post that so offended you.
Scroll back and look at the time stamps. I replied to you once -- at 3:40 AM -- and then I went to bed. I was sleeping quite soundly when the Anonymous of 7:29 posted his criticism of you.
Moreover, when I responded to you, I was nothing but polite and respectful toward you. I did not criticize you for siccing the police on your boorish neighbor, although I did point out that you could've filed a civil suit against him, given the damage he was causing to your property.
As to my "naming names," there was a good reason for that. Considering the absurdity of the whole situation -- my being put on trial over flat tires which hurt no-one, and which no-one had ever complained about -- I assumed that if I didn't "name names," a lot of people would assume I was either joking or lying. But, with the names out there, interested parties can verify for themselves, the veracity of my claims. Please note, BTW, that I had no real interest in discussing this matter (which took place several weeks ago) until some anonymous coward/idiot brought the "incident" up, and made an issue of it.
Free Speech, not here, nothing is free about any of the speech that is written. If someone don't agree be prepared to feel the wrath.
Sure it's free. But just like you have free speech to say your piece, so everyone who disagrees with you has equal free speech to rebut what you say. That's what "freedom of speech in the marketplace of ideas" is all about. I'm sorry to see you leave, and feel that your skin may be a little thin... especially for an anonymous poster. But, like the old saying goes, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Sorry, but that's the way it works...
Your complaint about the QOL law sounds like your whining about everything else. The bottom line is that you were violating the law and you got caught. It is not up to the law enforcement official to say I'll enforce some laws but not others. They are given the task of enforcing all laws. Reminds me of your ridiculous belief that the IRS doesn't have the right to tax. Why don't you ask Wesley Snipes how that defense is working out for him.
Anonymous, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:23:00 PM:
I am going to answer your questions later today, in a new thread I just created entitled "So, Where Is The Crime????"
While I'm digging up my copy of the "law" I allegedly "broke," why don't you look at the pictures I posted in the new thread, and see if you can spot the "crime" in progress. Thanks.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080212/NEWS01/802120365
This site is a lawsuit from a couple that is suing a blog in Nashville for defamation.
To Tues 8-12 Am .......as you write so clearly "Sorry sir, but I will not keep my inane little opinions to myself." you have obviously had a recent ephiphany (or your feet washed ) and come to the same conclusion as the great unwashed majority of blog readers that your remarks are inane and little . Therefore why dont you keep them to yourself from here on ?
Rosy Mary
Rosy,
Look, I offered his excellency a compromise, but he ignored it. The offer still stands. If he will stop being so sarcastic to people, I will stop reminding him.
Why should I keep my opinions to myself? Is this not a free speech blog?
Perhaps a lot of us need a lesson in humility. Did you miss the point?
1114 spellers of spells know not the sign, will surely align little letters to whine. (confirmation of dufus award)
Riddler,
You really should consider becoming a poet or a stand-up comic.
hey Mr. PHD....you know that stands for PILE HIGHER & DEEPER don't ya??
Let's get back to the topic of this post. Would someone tell us if Lovell, Woodard, Campbell, Hughes and Brown can be made to resign, especially Lovell since it's evident he was the one who started the petition against the Financial Act of 1981 (the will of the people in 2006). If so, where do we start?
332 There are persons of wisdom and grit! An excellent idea, especially starting with Lovell!
Come on Commissioners - write in and let us know if we can do a recall vote?
While not ethical..what Mr. Lovell, Mr. Campbell and others did was not illegal. Half truths and lies do not constitute an illegal act that can be prosecuted. The only person who can file charges of ouster would be the DA.
We are stuck until the next election...unless they choose to resign. Which I doubt will happen.
I don't understand.Could someone enlighten me as to why those people currently being crucified should be forced to resign for their beliefs? Are they not entitled to act on what they perceive to be in the best interests of their constituencies, or should they resign because their convictions are not in harmony with those of you who know best? Ridiculous.
We do not yet live in a totalitarian society.
They should resign because they DO represent the citizens of the county and the fact that they presented facts that were full of half truths and lies is unethical to the oath that took when they took office.
I do believe that the rubbish they put out was to sway voters to their way of thinking. How can they stand to look at the citizens who elected them and trusted them. I guess now you are going to say "bring charges against them" again what they did was unethical not illegal.
Your funnel vision and loyalty to support this kind of behavior is what is "Ridiculous".
They should resign because they DO represent the citizens of the county and the fact that they presented facts that were full of half truths and lies is unethical to the oath that took when they took office.
I do believe that the rubbish they put out was to sway voters to their way of thinking. How can they stand to look at the citizens who elected them and trusted them. I guess now you are going to say "bring charges against them" again what they did was unethical not illegal.
Your funnel vision and loyalty to support this kind of behavior is what is "Ridiculous".
Funnel vision? Are you suggesting that I look through a funnel? Being facetious there. Nothing like a bit of light-hearted humor to soothe the nerves of the obviously agitated.
Look, everybody who doesn't vote for or act exactly as you guys want them to does NOT make them liars and crooks. Why can't you understand that? You people demonize the ones you dislike or resent, and I just happen to think it's shameful.
Someone said in another post that all we can do is wait til the next election. I think that's a far better approach than to get on a public blog and "expose" your rear ends while attempting to ruin the names of people you are mad at.
Finally, it is completely ridiculous of you to assume that I am loyal to the people you so wantonly crucify. Actually, I really don't personally know the current victims. But I DO know that what you are doing is wrong and mean.
I do not feel like I am crucifying them by saying that what they did was wrong. You are entitled to your feelings as I am. When elected to public office they made an oath to the citizens to serve them to the best of their ability..if they would have stood on those values and told the truth they would not be under this kind of scrutiny. Half truths and lies to sway a vote is not ethical. I'm sorry if you do not agree.
By the way...I never used the terms "liars and crooks"...those are your terms. Maybe they felt they were justified in trying to sway voters by not telling the truth. But I do not feel that I need someone to tell me how to vote, I just need the "true" facts and I am capable of making up my own mind. By the way I voted against the 81 act the 1st time...and probably would have the 2nd time until commissioners were tell untruths to sway me...then I felt like they were trying to hide something. At that point I researched the 81 act and came to my second decision which was to vote for it.
If lying isn't illegal, why do we report income, sale, & other things so the government can tax us? Yes, it's illegal in many different statutes and ways. We are in a state of government anarchy. There is an old fashioned solution called comeuppence & disrespect. A liar is a liar and a crook is a crook, unless you want to lie about what they do and what you can expect of them. In that case you join them!
What will these liars and crooks, oops... I'm sorry, I meant to say these commissioners who were stating their "beliefs" do next?
Turn your evidence of "illegality" over to the proper (not you guys) authorities.
Since when has an elected official pleased everyone by his/her actions? Just because they don't does NOT make them dishonest.
And the demonizing continues.
Again, nothing was done illegal, as far as what I see. There is a big difference between unethical and illegal.
Please justify how you can not see that when you go to the public as a county official and give half truths to sway the people, who have trusted you, to vote for or against a issue, that is not being unethical.
Basically, I believe, that Edwin Lovell is a good man. I just think he got all caught up with the wrong people and it snowballed on him. Does that make what he did any less unethical..no.
I think there would be a lot more forgiveness for these commissioners if at this point they would work to help Mr. Garner and her department to succeed, instead of working against her. The people have spoken (again). It is time to move on.
The commissioners that this blog are about will not be removed from office nor will they resign. That is a dead issue.
Yes, time to move on and stop the incessant whining.
The right thing to do would be for the commissioners involved - Lovell, Campbell, Brown, Woodard, Hughes - to support the financial management committee by cooperating as the law says. Then they need to read the laws pertaining to the financial management act 1981 and take note that they can be removed from office if they fail to comply. This goes for department heads as well.
708 - The flaming issue is the word liar - as in teller of untruths with full knowledge of what they are doing.. The evidence of that was plastered all over the newsprint & airwaves! The second part is making sure we all know them for what they are, so we will not rely on them for truth in anything! It's called learning by getting burned.
Let's also not forget there are Heads of Departments and County Officials that will have to follow the laws of the Financial Act of 1981 or they could be removed from office if they fail to comply. And that will include not giving up their bookkeepers and their salaries. It's states all bookkeepers from every department, except fee offices, to be transferred to the Finance Office. Read it.
Reason # 1 for the need for financial management department is proven in this article in the Tennessean about a Cheatham County Highway Bookkeeper:
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080213/COUNTY02/802130423/1130
Think it couldn't happen at our highway department...wrong again!!
Anonymous, Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:15:00 PM, said:
If lying isn't illegal, why do we report income, sale, & other things so the government can tax us? Yes, it's illegal in many different statutes and ways.
Yeah, but I'll bet if you look carefully, the statutes only provide for punishment when "we" -- the little people -- tell lies. When "they" -- the important folks who run our lives -- tell lies, there never is any punishment provided by the statute. (This is technically known as a "double standard.")
There's a poster on here who is constantly nagging WAB to go to the DA with "the evidence" or else, shut up until the next election. Well, I happen to know that WAB had evidence of commissioners holding secret meetings, and he took this evidence to the DA. Well, guess what? The "Sunshine Law," which applies to politicians, makes secret meetings "illegal," but doesn't provide any punishment for those who hold them. So, the DA told WAB, "I could put them on trial, but what would be the point, if they are exempt from punishment?"
Note, incidentally, that while politicians may be little lax about setting up punishments for laws that apply to THEM... they never fail to come up with plenty of punishments for laws that apply to US. Which brings to mind your next statement:
We are in a state of government anarchy.
You've almost got it! Nowadays, real crime (say, theft) against private individuals (ie, victims) is a low police enforcement priority, while, at the same time, "crimes against the state" (such as flat tires on an old van) are pursued with "zero tolerance" determination. The inimitable Joe Sobran refers to the resulting state of affairs as "anarcho-tyranny"... unchecked crime against individuals, combined with zealous enforcement of victimless "crimes" gives us probably the worst of all possible political systems.
I was wondering why they don't put chrome on bumpers anymore, so I looked up the word "anachronism" and instead of finding someting about lost chrome on bumpers, it said something about misplacing a person or events in time and something about making Hector quote Aristotle. I think maybe it's a code works for cronies putting cronies on the payroll - do we have a cypher out there?
Was it Hector who really shot Aristotle while in the sack with his girlfried? guess that was a blog or two earlier - sorry bout that
I finally figured it out!
Terry Hughes signed the petition to get rid of the central accounting (He's chairman of the Ambulance Committee). Lovell is chairman of the highway department and has been for years. Jack Woodard does everything that Lovell tells him to. Rose Brown works at the school office. Tommy Campbell is chairman of the law enforcement sherif committee. So folks, that covers all the departments that have been fighting the public that wants to know where the tax dollars are being spent.
Poor Terry,
I suppose the witch hunt has gone full circle. Now they are after you again. Let's see what "dirt" they can dig up to post on this blog. Believe me, they will if they can. And they don't mind who gets hurt in the fray! And that's journalism? Yes, perhaps of the National Enquirer variety.
955 - fire creaping up around the rear end? is your ship on fire? better jump off & swim for shore!
Riddler,
I'll bet you would make a great writer for this new "Inquirer". What do you think?
But perhaps the name should be changed to the Giles County Exposer.
9:55
What do you mean "again"? What had happened before with Terry Hughes, before he went behind the voters backs and supported getting the acocunting thingey repealed?
134 You really need to see an anal~ist - might help stop your walking upside down. We're real confused - don't know which end is which, if it's really a belch or a toot, iff the tummy is growling or you're mumbling, just real hard cyphering what you're all about.
I had forgotten that you guys were out to get Mr. Hughes at one time. As I said, it's gone full circle. I was distracted because of the others who came after him. You guys select who YOU think should "walk the plank" and then set out to destroy and embarrass them rather than to use the electoral process. Oh, but you know best, don't you? And, after all, we are just a bunch of backwoods rednecks who can't think for ourselves. So (laughingly) we need your guidance.
I dont know what guys were out to get Mr. Hughes and for what? Someone please enlighten me.
anonymous...
Let's not be coy now. You know as well as I do who most of them are.
Thanks 832 for telling us that we know more than we think we do. Wait could it be that 832 actually knows less than he thought? Why do you always say such stupid things then try to embarass people when they ask you to explain or back you your statements. "You know" is not an appropriate answer you someone who ask a simple question.
It's a she - as in he, she, it.
a jacksonite to the core
I am the same who asked the question at 8:29 am. Is the response of 12:33 pm directed to me? If so, I have no idea what a jacksonite is. Would I be right in thinking it is someone who supports Tee Jackson of the school system? If thats right, did "they" do something to Terry Hughes some time back or what? This is very confusing to try to read about the county but people talk around you. How can anyone hope to contribute something interesting when these phantoms are being written about? Help please.
5:04 you have to understand there is a certain anonymous on here at times who just throws out things with absolutely no meaning. Then when someone asks what do they mean they just claim that we know already and obviously stupid if we say we don't know. Having the ability to know what others are thinking clearly is part of their delusion.
504 - the 1233 comment was directed 832, definately not 504
you're right about jacksonite, but it's highly unlikely "they" did anything to him - Jackson needs his vote to get money If he votes for a jackson scam, he'll answer for it. Has he???
Are you a Bredesonian if you support our governor? How asinine.
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