NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- An outside study has found the advantages of participating in
Tennessee's public pre-kindergarten program wane by the time students reach the second grade. The report conducted for the state finds that children who attended pre-K performed better in reading, language and math in kindergarten and in the first grade. But the study conducted by the Columbus, Ohio-based Strategic Research Group found that by the second grade, there was no statistically significant difference between those who went to pre-K and those who did not. The report measured student achievement using the results of standardized tests given in three academic years between 2004 and 2007.
Gov. Phil Bredesen, a Democrat, has grown the state's pre-K program since coming into office in 2003 from about 3,000 students a year to more than 17,000. Bredesen said the report shows that pre-K better prepares children for school. But he acknowledged that more work needs to be done. "It probably makes it fairly obvious we have some more work to do in the first, second, third grades to hang on to those kinds of gains," he said.
Pre-K report: http://www.comptroller1.state.tn.us/repository/RE/prekeval08.pdf
81 Comments:
This report reveals the exact same thing every other report on Pre-Kindergarten, with the exception of the governor's own severely slanted report, that millions and millions are being spent with no real benefit. This program is nothing but a scheme of socialized daycare.
Why has this program continued when daily there are cries of no money, more cut backs, more lay-offs, etc, the same reason there's a 14 million dollar hole at the governor's mansion. The only concern this head of the most corrupt administration since Blanton has is what he wants and to heck with the people. Just another example of the politicians getting the gold and the citizens getting the shaft. Allen Barrett
Looks like WAB is trying to stir up another problem no body cares about.
952 Obviously nobody in your group cares about the problem - you created it & like the cash flow & mowing the citizens down with the sickle & hammer.
When you have the population completely lobotomized, the commune will encompass all.
Speak for yourself, 9:52. I care where my tax $$$$ go....It just amazes me that some people profess to hate to have WAB "stir up trouble", but they sure hang on to his every word. If I hated the blog and the msgs so much, I simply wouldn't read it...not rocket science, 9:52. Facts are facts whether we like them or not; You don't believe WAB, why don't you post some facts instead of grumbling because someone else did?
The preK concept is little different than the re-education camps in China & cradle to grave social engineering designed to eliminate individualism.
Yes, there are problem children. Unstead of enforcing simple discipline, liberalism has turned the schools into armed camps of enforced conformity, with little rhym or reason. Zero tolerance for authority code violations & horror above horrors for hate speech. Feel goodism has eradicated get it done right, and so much more. When the will to fight is finally eliminated, we'll find ourselves enslaved with little chance to fight for freedom.
The real problem with education is that children are not taught to respect the teachers, principals and any other person involved. When we were in school we knew that we would suffer the consequences of what we did at school while we were at school and then again when we got home. Now the school has no authority to punish children. Parents never back up the educator they fight when little Johnny got in trouble (heaven forbid not spanked for it) at school and will be at school the next morning to let the principal and teacher know that their little darling could never do anything wrong. That is what is wrong and the children grow up to the real world that does not have to listen to Mommy or Daddy and can't deal with the real world.
I am totally against free babysitting. The school system cannot change their home environmnets and going to Pre-K will not make a difference.
Honey (1158) - couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately, what you describe has grown up & now two of the worst are fighting over the presidency & damned* if we can't do anything about that either!
*Literal translation is not vulgar
What could be worse that growing up in a poor family who can't afford a breakfast of lettuce and prune juice?
Growing up to be like Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pellosi, Barney Frank, Bill Clinton, George Bush, ....... endless list of leaders & media made icons --- AND of course, the NEA, CCP, & ACLU (or is it UCLA?)
At the tender age of four and earlier, a child should be learning the meanings of family, morals, and values, none of which can have meaning in the absence of God. God isn't welcome in the current school systems.
Protecting one's self, family, and possessions is more important than involuntary sharing and contributing to an oppressive society that is built on expectations of getting rather than giving. The group and community are no better than the best or worst of individuals in it. Socialism's avoidance of differentiation invites the worst to run things.
The education system is rotting with entitlements and robotic objectives liberalism. Children who are punished for defending themselves will learn to expect oppression & tyranny, and never fight it. Children who are rewarded alike for mediocrity and failure will never know the difference, never find whatever it is they can do, and never appreciate excellence.
Pre-K is not only a waste of money and resources, it expands the failed concepts of socialist indoctrination.
If we must have a baby sitter, let the churches do it. Can anyone top the Ten Commandments for a collective model of social behavior and productivity? We are a somewhat free nation because our forefathers FOUGHT and GAVE THEIR LIVES for it. The population who rolled over and complied to avoid violence have always been rewarded with unimaginable violence and devastation to themselves, their families, and their country!
Pre-K is not babysitting. Those kids are learning much needed skills. The idea is to teach kids the skills needed to better themselves--starting with pre-school. People who cannot afford the structured day care can put their children in this program. Ask the first grade teachers if they can tell the difference between a child who is in a structured program and a child that is left with an individual who babysits the legal limit of children. I grew up poor and know that I did not have the chances of other kids but had to fight to get where I am today. Give these kids a chance!!! Please leave this alone it is not affecting you property taxes or sales tax.
Many of the children in Pre-K were taken straight out of the Headstart Program, so much for the idea that these "poor" kids don't have an opportunity. More money is spent on each student in Pre-K that is spent on high school students, which one really needs more attention?
Every outside (the union controlled education gang) study has shown that there are no lasting benefits to Pre-K.
If you are a success today it is not because you were babysat by strangers or schools but because you chose to discipline yourself to do what was necessary to succeed. Many used those same tools to become successful without ever going to school.
If you think that the money for Pre-K is not affecting our property and sales taxes you obviously are not as educated, smart or successful as you think.
Money does not grow on trees even though we have a lot of politicians who act and spend like it does. Allen Barrett
The rules say that if a child is already approved for with Head Start they cannon sign up with Pre-K. Theses two programs are working together. With the price of gas if you were low income how many trips do you think you could make to Bodenham and back? My child lived in the city of Pulaski and went to Bodenham. If she were still of an age to go to Pre-K I would put her there before I would drive to Bodenham. And don't tell me to get a job, I can't physically.
7:59:00 AM
Did you get up to early, lettuce and prune juice for breakfast.
I think the government is trying to help some children that may not get breakfast or lunch by sending them to head start.
Maybe children should be taken away from bad parents and put in foster care. Sometimes that's not what is best for the child, not all foster parents are good.
Thank God that's not my decision.
634 - you missed the point. Do you want your child growing up to be like Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank? What could be worse??? Lots of us grew up poor in a poor community. Because morality and honesty were valued back then, children could learn far more then without guidance, structure, and political correctness than they'll ever learn from liberal whack jobs controlling the PRE-K indoctrination plan! Ever hear of common sense?
The point is that some people think they can pop out a baby every year and increase their government income while having someone else take care of the child. When kids start being penalized for having children instead of being rewarded with an apartment, food, income and every other benefit available maybe the illegitimate rate will go down and people will start taking more responsibility for their behavior.
The system was changed many years ago, tn was one of the first states to undergo welfare reform but as is ALWAYS the case, those who really want to can and will find loopholes in the system. And for any reform to work, the rules have to be practical and enforced. Someone writing legislation who only knows about welfare from reading articles, can't possibly know how to address issues, but you know the democrats want to make everybody equal and wealthy people who sacrificed to get where they are today will be forced to take care of these "babies having babies" if Obama wins. 'Redistribut the wealth'....very definition of socialism!!!! (no, I'm not one of the wealthy, I'm the average low paid school teacher with high student loan debt and no incentive for striving for excellence )
PreK is like finding a terd in the mail box. If you toss it out, your hands will smell & people & people will shun you. If you leave it there, you won't get any mail, won't get the utility bill, they'll turn the heat & lights off, & the kid will freeze to death & you'll be in the dark anyway.
We need to remove preK & roll taxes back with the savings.
wab..
Well, there you go again attacking the one who posted in defense of pre-k. Just because you disagree with the post doesn't give you the right to suggest that the person is not as smart as he or she thinks. You see, that's the problem a lot of people have with you. And I think it has been well defined as arrogance!
My goodness 9:18. would you suggest that the person who stated Pre-K
"is not affecting you property taxes or sales tax" is really smart enough to discuss the realities of pre-k cost?
I don't think wab was being reactive to the writers support of pre-k only the stupidity of saying it did not affect your property or sales tax.
I certainly agree with him on this issue, where does the writer or you think the money comes from, the tooth fairy?
The fundamental problem with the issue of pre-K goes all the way back to sixties liberalism and our "feel good" democrats. Add to the mix trial lawyers, moral decay, and apathy on the part of many parents, and you get a picture as to why it seems school districts are fighting a losing battle with some of the kids. No, we can't go into the homes and teach these kids how to behave and act in our society. No, we can't go into homes and teach parents how to be parents. Some trial lawyer from the ACLU would haul us into court! The reality of it is that kids from dysfunctional homes are the very ones who create the problems in public schools. We can't do a thing about it either!
As for Pre-K, I believe in its purpose. Furthermore, if the program turns just one kid around, who among you would call it a waste of the taxpayer's dollar?
If raindrops were gold we'd all be carrying buckets looking for a shower.
The reality is raindrop aren't gold and the pre-k program is nothing but a feel good daycare service that has been proven to have no lasting benefits to any child.
It was my understanding that the Pre-K program was funded by the state. I may be wrong but I thought lottery dollars. IF, that is true then your property tax is not paying for that program. Maybe someone that know can state the facts since I am guessing.
You guessed partly right. A portion of the cost is from lottery money a portion is from sales taxes and a portion is from the county property taxes.
The fact remains that regardless of how its funded it provides no lasting benefit, duplicates Headstart and cost far more per pupil than high school. The question to ask is which benefits more; someone who graduates from pre-K then by third grade is on par with those who did not attend pre-K or to put the emphasis on elementary school and high school students and get them educated and graduated? Allen Barrett
If you check other counties the Leaps program is being used for high school kids. The program help them graduate or do make-up work. They get tutoring and help with projects. If you anyone wants to talk about babysitting that is exactly what Leaps & Bounds is doing. Parents get free babysitting until 5 or so in the afternoon plus on some Saturdays. It would be much more productive to have a high school students instead of elementary students. Someone needs to check into that. We need a higher graduation rate. The state doesn't care if we provide after school care but they do want more graduates!! The Leaps program we have now is only causing problems.
wab,
There you go again. Can you not see just a tiny bit of arrogance in your response that said, "You guessed partly right"? What makes you think that YOU are the expert on any topic and that people must approach your throne to get the rest of the story or the real truth? I know I'll catch criticism from some one of your faithful followers, but I just wanted to point that out to you.....again.
To the anonymous poster of 10 Sept. 6:23.
The only arrogance noted was in your very misguided comment. If you could only bring yourself to ask for help in reading comprehension you might not have so much difficulty understanding words, sentences and their meanings.
The question was asked by the Monday, 8 Sept. 3:51pm poster, "Maybe someone that know can state the facts since I am guessing".
It was in response to this poster's question that I responded. I never claimed to be “an expert” on anything but then you don’t have to be an expert on H2O to know if it’s raining. Some things are just obvious and when you spend a little time reading and researching topics instead of staring at your own image in a mirror you have the opportunity to gain some understanding of facts. You should try it sometimes. I wonder why you never object and offer any evidence to the contrary to what I say, only how you perceive I say it?
I hope that matches the sarcasm in your statement about “people must approach your throne”? Allen Barrett
I was the "guessing" person. I was not offended by his reply. I do see the arrogance a lot of times but I was guessing so why would I be offended by his opinion.
wab..
Your sarcasm knows no bounds, and is very unbecoming of a "man of God".
Okay I was the guessing person and was not offended by the first reply but I would definitely be offended by the 2:16 comment. WAB your comments to the other person were uncalled for. You can state facts without commenting on someone's reading comprehension. That is what makes you sound so arrogant. The reply to me was fine but this was not!!
One thing you can count on is WAB gives back exactly what is given him. One of the problems today is too many people think you have to be some kind of wimp to be a preacher and there are sure a lot of them proving it. I have heard WAB preach and he no more pulls punches in a sermon than he does anywhere else.
Whether he is right or wrong I have a great deal of respect for anyone who believes in something strong enough to take a stand, identify it, and not backdown until proven wrong. Like him or not you have to admit he is not afraid to take responsibility for his words and actions, too bad more are not like him.
anonymous..
I applaud your comments about respecting a man who will stand up for what he believes and not back down. However, I must disagree with you when it comes to "the preacher." Did Jesus not teach us to pray for those who despitefully use us and to turn the other cheek? My Bibles says that; does yours?
You mentioned that, like wab or not, you have to admit that he is not afraid to take responsibility for his words and actions. Again, I must respectfully disagree with you. You mistake his being vigilant and unafraid to take responsibility for his words and actions as some badge of honor. To the contrary, I tend to think he says and does things to be noticed. Some people just love the spotlight. As for his taking responsibility for his words and actions, he has been nailed several times on this blog for inappropriate words and actions, and I don't recall a single time when he apologized to anyone. That, my friend, is irresponsible behavior.
I believe if you read a little deeper you'll see where Jesus got more than a little angry when he cleaned out the temple of money changers and crooked priest. Was it not Jesus that called the priest a den of thieves and devils?
Something you fail to understand and it has been mentioned on here a number of times by different people unless you can put some information on here to prove WAB is wrong it just won't fly simply because you don't like him. You need to grow up and start operating off your intelligence instead of your feelings. I have read several items on here over the past years where WAB apologized and acknowledged he was wrong. Also he has offered to apologize if someone proved him wrong a couple of times I remember him even offering a monetary reward if anyone could prove him wrong on a particular subject, no one did.... not even you.
So the bottom line is if you want to embarrass WAB and show him up try doing it with some simple facts cause your whining feelings are just getting old and tired.
830 - you could add the mite infested doves to the list.
Everything TJ & his elves comes up with isn't what it appears to be - "no new money", "no money", "nuttin fer da busses", ..... endless others.
To anonymous of the 13 Sept 7:24PM
Post.
You can always be sure if you try to do something you'll be criticized by someone doing nothing.
George Bernard Shaw wrote "hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated". I think that about sums you up anonymous. Allen Barrett
wab,,
How impressive of you to quote Shaw, but you surely aren't trying to make application of the quote to yourself. Are you? If so, then you imply that I feel intimidated by you? You've got to be joking.
Here's a quote I would see as a bit more appropo. Fools' names like fools' faces, oft appear in public places. I wasn't trying to imply that you are a fool any more than you were suggesting that I would be intimidated by you. Think!
I don't think WAB made an implication he simply stated what most everyone in Giles County knows except you. Your hatred for WAB clearly is the result of your intense intimidation. You can't compete with him, you can't out think him, you can't be him so get over it.
If there is any thing clear it is that you mr or mrs anonymous are expremely intimidated and jealous of WAB.
You always are talking about Mr. Barrett, but you always hide behind anonymous. If that is all you have to say all the time, why not put your name to it. If you are always right about him, then there should not be any repercussions for you saying it.
I think he has the right to know who is making such statements about him. You are taking the coward's way by signing anonymous.
Intimidate and jealous? I had to chuckle at that one. Brilliant observation though totally wrong. I have no desire to emulate the tactics of your hero. It is stated that I hate him. Again, totally laughable. What I do hate is arrogance in anyone. In other words and simply put, I dislike the behavior but do not hate the person.
I think you are the most arrogant person that I have ever heard. You are also a coward and never have anything to say but about Mr. Barrett. I don't think you even know what is going on around you, you just want to criticize Mr. Barrett.
to 3:47 anonymous
Boy, talk about arrogance. You get on here and whine like an ugly girl with a pimple on her nose. I never matters what the subject is if Mr. Barrett says anything you attack him, not what he says but him personally. Here's where your arrogance betrays you; you never, never offer any kind of rebuttal to the issues he raises other than you don't like his personality. You talk about using different approaches why not try to focus on what he says and not on what you think he is like or his motives are. You keep coming across as vindictive and jealous and that's why so many people keep pointing it out to you not based on their feelings but on your own lack of anything substantial as support.
I certainly agree with the 12:05 poster. This has to be the most ridiculous person that I have ever heard tell of.
I'm with 12:05 and 12:16 this guy is beyond ridiculous.
You continue to misunderstand what I say. Incredible. Is that willful or are you just not able to comprehend?
I think that you are the one that can't comprehend. If you only knew just how stupid you sound, I think you would stop with the stupid comments.
Let me ask a reasonable question again. Why is it that nothing is said about certain people's name-calling and negative verbage on this blog while others are absolutely crucified for saying much less?
For example, Mrs. Vanzant, Mr. Jackson, and certain others have been called everything from liars to crooks by a certain "man of God" while you condemn those like me who are simply pointing that out. Now, I am sure that is not hard to comprehend. And you have the audacity to suggest that I wish to be more like that! Don't be a puzzlewit.
If you are speaking of Mr. Barrett and it's clear that you are, the difference is when he has called a person a liar, he has put up the proof to back it up. You on the other hand continue to criticize him and others on nothing more than "your feelings". While you are picking up some words from Bill O'Reilly you might try taking a few less tokes and listen to the rest of his program. Do you have any problem with him calling another person a liar when he presents the proof or is it just Mr. Barrett? Do you find the word pinhead objectionable? If not then you won't mind me calling you a pinhead. Have a nice day.
Let us see here - we have a way of reconciling the broken path between WAB and Pin head. Because WAB knows what he is saying and provides the back up for it, we can count on what he says as reliable.
Pin head, on the other hand never fails to say and do just the opposite. It's 100% predictable. All we have to do is have Pin head speak into a computer, have the computer interpret the message by looking up the antonym for every word, spit it out and we'll not only have the same messages, there will be no conflict! Pin head will be able "be right", will get a good nights sleep , & may stop all this conflict.
You see, Pin head is really an arab from Babylon & as such is cursed to babble on & on. It's difficult to sleep next to a horny camel and wake up with a peachy sweet disposition. Give pin head a break!
ruby..
Take a deep breath and calm down. And please don't talk to me as if I were a pot smoker from the sixties. Your rudeness is noted.
Let me ask a reasonable question again (for the third time). Why is it that nothing is said about certain PEOPLE'S (that's plural by the way)name-calling and negative verbage on this blog while others are absolutely crucified for saying much less? That remains a reasonable question.
No, I criticize hypocrisy by what I see and not by my feelings. I also recognize your miunderstandings by what I read on this blog. My "feelings" have nothing to do with that.
So...if I understand you correctly, it's ok for a "man of God" to be running around calling people liars and crooks? Hardly so! I would think a better use of his time would be spent in praying for liars and crooks and trying to convert them. Situation ethics does NOT apply. And YES, I have a problem with that.
Finally, why should I object to your calling me names? You are going to do it anyway. Having said that, may I now refer to you as simply "name-caller"? Or how about Ruby Rude? I can't, because the difference between you and me is that I'll call you neither. Think.
Let's see, It's what you see that hurts your feelings, but it really isn't your feelings that you gripe about because you have no feelings.
Must have been tough in that 150 degree heat in an old VW bus filled with reefer smoke. We failed at trying to revivalize the crooks. Maybe we could send the liars & crooks over to your place for a weekend revival. Come Monday they'll be gone & never able to find their way back to GC. Trouble be gone & even you be happy.
You have got to be insane, on drugs, or drunk...perhaps all three or a combination of two!
And now you are attempting to psychoanalyze me by asserting that I have no feelings. Hilarious! Let me paraphrase what you are really trying to say: I am brain dead or on dope because I refuse to agree with you. Isn't that it? What an insight, and I am not a psychiatrist!
No, it's what people like you say that make me laugh. That has nothing to do with feelings.
You rally need to get another hobby.
To anonymous of the 20 Sept 7:13 post.
I originally posted this under the thread "The Election Isn't Over" but it certainly seems to apply here also.
Over and over people have tried to explain the need or desire to have you back up your statements with something more than your feelings or unsubstantiated thoughts.
People, including me, react to you many times out of frustration, not the frustration of being unable to contend with your point of view but with your hard-headed attitude that you are right and they are wrong even though you offer nothing in support of your arguments. If you want people to take what you say seriously then
please offer something more than your feelings in support of your positions.
I have no problem with you disagreeing with me I would just like something more than your feelings or thoughts used to support your feelings and thoughts. Many times I have given you facts and evidence on matters only to have you disregard them and attack my motive, of which you haven't a clue. You accuse me of arrogance and an attitude of infallibility among other things
but many after examining your posts see those are the characteristics most seen in you. I do not claim to know your motives yet you loudly declare knowing mine... but based on what? Nothing more than just your thoughts. Can you honestly say that is not the pinnacle of arrogance, claiming to know the mind and reason of another without the benefit of even so much as having sat down to a conversation with them?
Sir that is the problem, not that others dislike you, don't understand you or fail to agree with you. Sorry but your thoughts just don't hold water in light of the evidence that has been presented. When you offer a different perspective along with some substantiated facts then people will be more inclined to look at you differently.
For example have you offered anything to counter what I have written about this subject of Pre-K? Allen Barrett
wab..
You and your people are the ones who react to those like me out of frustration. It's unfortunate that you feel that way, but, regardless, I will continue to oppose you as long as you treat people discourteously when they disagree with you.
Here is a thought for you that does hold water. Regarding Pre-K, if the program will change the life of at least one child, it is worth the cost. How could you possibly argue with that? Granted, the program may not be perfect but its philosophy is in line with the teachings of the Lord, Jesus Christ! Gracious, you should know that. Would you agree with me on that much?
How discourteour do you think that you sound? It is ridiculous when you can't discuss anything but Mr. Barrett. There are subjects that people are trying to discuss and Mr. Barrett is not the only one on this blog spot.
And I am not the only one on here who sees how he treats people who disagree with his truths.
At least most of them give a reason, you sure don't. You never give an opinion on any topic. I would hate to think that I was so obsessed with someone, that I could not talk about anything else.
713 I'll bet you have been involved in a nanotechnology experiment that failed. It's the little things that matter - probably read Tom Thumb cover to cover before you go to bed. We're amused, not confused like you.
827 And the forked tongue hisseth - *If the pre-K program will change the life of at least one child, it is worth the cost! - and who could argue with that?*
And, who will believe a beggar who wears the mask of poverty, pleas for the needy, but takes to fatten that which takes from and agitates the cries of the needy? Faten the problem and the problem grows!
And what of the price of a child's head? Is it not worth the fattening and appeasing the bureaucracy that threatens that life?
Isn't the head of one worth the denial of many for the sake of a Godless socialism and its out of control bureaucracy?
He who cries for bread, a donkey to carry toddlers to school, and sustinenance to shelter their little bodies from the harsh elements of rain, wind, and snow DOES FOR SURE deny their little lives. The roof leaks and the busses have no brakes because that which is given to fix them is spent for new temples and alters to their god of lust and greed, and to feed the fat at the expense of the poor.
To be or not to be? You claim to be something honorable and worthwhile. Your sorry life is an icon of what not to be! You're a fraud - a fat parasite on the back of the poor, begging for more!
God provides without begging or the need of man's wealth.
To anonymous of the 21 Sept 8:27 post.
I must agree you are very frustrating to deal with not because of the power of your arguments but because of your lack of supportive information. I have no problem with you or anyone else disagreeing with me. I do have a problem being told that I am wrong based only on your overly sensitive feelings. Again and again I have asked you to simply supply some reason for your disagreement other than your thought or feelings, so far you have not and that is what makes you such a whiner. Please do not mistake the many efforts being made to bring you into the real world as a concern for the importance of your disagreements. You are simple insignificant and will remain so until you begin to provide facts in support of your positions. If you want to have a vital part in the discussions of life you must first develop more than your relativist feelings about those things being discussed.
You posted this statement, “Here is a thought for you that does hold water. Regarding Pre-K, if the program will change the life of at least one child, it is worth the cost. How could you possibly argue with that? Granted, the program may not be perfect but its philosophy is in line with the teachings of the Lord, Jesus Christ! Gracious, you should know that.”
The real question isn’t whether “one” child can have their life changed by Pre-K the evidence is already in on that and it is overwhelming that pre-K does not have any lasting significance in a student’s life. Even if it did make a difference in only “one” child’s life it would not be worth the cost when compared to the total number that “do” benefit from additional tutoring that leads to graduation from high school. It is absolutely proven that if the amount being spent on Pre-K was put into a mentoring/tutoring program for high school students far more than “one” student would benefit, have their life changed, and benefit the entire community. Pre-K is nothing more than a very expensive daycare program that duplicates the Headstart program.
Please tell me what is the philosophy of Pre-K that is in keeping with the teaching of Jesus the Christ. I can not remember anything He said about pouring money down a rat hole with no benefit other than to drown the rats in money. Allen Barrett
wab..
You know very well Christ taught such things as love for our fellow man, and He made it very clear about our obligation to children. But you are entitled to your opinion just as I am, so we might call it a draw.
Of course I know what Christ taught, my question in response to the absurdity of your comment, "Granted, the program may not be perfect but its philosophy is in line with the teachings of the Lord, Jesus Christ! Gracious, you should know that".
So I asked, "Please tell me what is the philosophy of Pre-K that is in keeping with the teaching of Jesus the Christ" and as usual you refused to answer.
Are you telling me that Pre-K a part of government, ACLU dominated school has actually adopted the philosophy of Christ as he taught it? Surely even you would not be so naive?
Your attempt to hide your weak, cowardly, inactive attitude and positions in the clock of Christ is nothing short of disgusting. Allen Barrett
wab..
There you go again, oh pious one. You just can't help the way you talk down to people who are opposed to your tactics. For example, you mentioned my weak, cowardly inactive attitude. I would say my attitude is quite active when it comes to my view of your behavior. Perhaps you should seek counseling?
You know very well that I sufficiently answered the question about the connection between the teachings of Christ and children. Still, you try to belittle me. Is that because i am yet irrelevant? And NO, oh great one, I am not suggesting that pre-k has adopted anything other than state mandates from which they operate. Perhaps you too have ventured a bit too close to the microwave.
By the way, are you judging righteous judgment when you call me names? You don't even know me, and how dare you to presume that I am less than an honorable and "relevant" member of society!
I seem to remember you said that you didn't know Mr. Barrett either. Seems kind of funny to me that you accuse him of doing just what you are doing to him. Where does that put you.
As I said before, I cannot believe that you are so obsessed with Mr. Barrett that you can not talk about anything else. Must make it hard to think about anything else every day.
1112 Wound up again & the mainspring breaks again.
You are out, unimportant, & everyone knows you were pretending to be trustworthy, honest, & intelligent.
When your leaned into your mirror and pondered "who was fairest of them all", the fairy princess asked what be your wish, You looked from the mirror and to the beautiful princess and saw only one missing thing. You said "FLY!" The beautiful princess waved her wand & walllala, zap, & there you are - a fly on a terd waiting to be flushed. You are vile!
Why don't you answer my questions, and maybe I will consider you relevant.
Let's make a deal. You stop putting your hero (the pious one) on a pedestal, and I will stop pointing out that he shouldn't be there. Fair enough?
because you are a fly on your favorite meal & about to get flushed. you'll disappear!
So you are not going to address my questions? I'm thinking that makes you a bit irrelevant.
anonymous there are two things about your questions. 1st what is your question, I looked back and couldn't find any distinguishable questions.
The 2nd thing is why should anyone bother answering your questions when you refuse to answer their questions?
Many times you have been given information and asked questions about it only to ignore it.
Mr. Barrett has asked you a bucket full of questions and you just ignore them or try to fit your feelings in as justification for the few you attempted to answer.
One thing about Mr Barrett is he will answer questions and supply the reasoning behind those answers,
you do neither and that is part of what gripes you about him.
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The questions I asked may be found on the "Election Isn't Over yet" thread. The post is 9-21-08 at 7:53 p.m. Please feel free to answer them.
Why would you ask a question under one thread and expect an answer under another thread?
If you would have read the entries under the other thread you would have gotten your answer.
It was placed on the wrong thread by accident. I don't suppose any of you "smarter than everyone else" guys ever made a mistake?
PRE-K Another liberal communist scheme to destroy America! All you have to do is throw a little money on the table & bureaucrats come a running! "It's good!" means there's free money, not that anything worthwhile will be done!
Someone said the NEA & TEA were pushing for PreK. I would think they would be trying to make it possible for teacheers to have better wages & work conditions???
If you hire more people & create more infrastucture to spin the wheels of bureaucracy faster, there is no money left to do the right thing for teachers!
If you add more on the backs of teachers to make the bureaucrats feel important, it's less time for teaching, more bureaucracy, less money for teaching & less time for educating children.
Compare spending year to year & you'll see huge increases in tax (revenue and spending), more money for teaching because of more people, & of course, scraps or nothing (this year) for the teachers that were here before the spending spree.
With all of the extreme innovations in communication (knowledge), record keeping, management, & endless etc., teacher duties should be a small fraction of what they were just a few years ago! Instead - it's the opposite! Instead, teachers are first indoctrinated and then thoroughly forced into chaos!
The NEA & TEA aren't doing their job for teachers or the community
Problem is the TEA and NEA both have a greater desire to increase membership than be a benefit for good teachers.
If they worked toward better working conditions, higher salaries, dismissal of sub-par teachers and administrators and greater respect for teachers individual teachers would benefit, the profession would benefit and students would benefit. The problem is the union membership would decrease and thus their power, money, would diminish.
Both these unions have proven to be more anti-education than any organization in the nation.
I think all unions have changed priorities to liberalism - communism - instead those who work, their jobs, or to potect members from those raid pension funds etc.
Classic is the illegals - Citizens pay billions to illegal benefits they themselves can not access, for massive job losses to those willing to work nothing, & endless corruption in government & business, & a complete gutting of the US manufacturing infrastructure!
The mess in education can be summed up by the post on Director of the year. The first time I heard it, I truly thought it was a joke. Then the paper hit the streets & the bad joke is the icon of education!
It isn't just the mess in giles county, it more of the same with bigger $, impact, & affect at the state level and federal level! Somewhere on one of the other posts is a Biblical message about liars & corrpution. - we are missing it at all levels of education direction.
We're worried about nanotechnology, when the director is lying about financial spending, revenue, and how the money is spent & will be spent! We are worried about things none of us can see or fathom, while those in charge are draining out bank account & leaving a box of rocks behind to remind us that we're too dumbfounded to do anything about it!
No one can teach or learn in a corrupt environment. Corruption begets more corruption. It's us & out children who are being corrupted & financially ruined!
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