County Insurance
After more than a year of behind the scenes work by some County Commissioners and private citizens a new County Insurance Committee has been established and the ground work has been done to cut the cost of county insurance by almost $750,000.00 a year without any decrease in benefits.
So how can such an enormous savings be realized, simply by having all the insurance bid out. Why this hasn't been done in the past, well, your guess is as good as anyone else. It seems through a process of laziness, incompetence, kickbacks, the buddy system and lack of concern no one with the authority ever took the initiative or had a strong enough will to do anything.
Thankfully that seems to be changing with this Insurance Committee and their strong recommendation to bid out insurance. Allen Barrett
So how can such an enormous savings be realized, simply by having all the insurance bid out. Why this hasn't been done in the past, well, your guess is as good as anyone else. It seems through a process of laziness, incompetence, kickbacks, the buddy system and lack of concern no one with the authority ever took the initiative or had a strong enough will to do anything.
Thankfully that seems to be changing with this Insurance Committee and their strong recommendation to bid out insurance. Allen Barrett
posted by Allen Barrett | 4:30 PM
180 Comments:
With Bill Holt being the Budget Chairman for the past several years he never did anything to save the county money. Thankfully we now have Wendell Wilburn as chairman and I bet he will do something about it. Is Mr Wilburn chairman of the insurance committee? I heard he might be.
Yea he's the insurance committee chairman and is doing a great job.
Maybe I misread your post. How can you say the county can save $750,000.00 a year in insurance by bidding it out if there have been no bids taken Or, has someone already given a bid that has resulted in such a savings?
I am sure this committee will do a fine job. They know what this county needs and that is to save money. It seems some people do not care that we are taxed to death and no end in sight. I hope they are not influenced by the County Ex. She could not tell the truth if her life was on the line. What is she going to lie about next. Lets hope we get someone to run against her that has the tax payers at heart. Remember this when you go to the poles.
It didn't take long before it went negative, did it?
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To 19 Oct 9:09.
You ask , "How can you say the county can save $750,000.00 a year in insurance by bidding it out if there have been no bids taken".
The number $750,000.00 is an approximate number based on the amount counties with a comparable number of employees, buildings, vehicles etc are paying. An example is Giles pays $246,000.00 a year for vehicle and building insurance. A nearby county with more buildings and vehicles pays approximately $70,000.00 less than we do each year.
Currently Giles pays $247,000.00 for accidental insurance through the state pool if this was changed to Workman's Comp through a private carrier it would cost about $115,000.00 less based on what a nearby larger county pays.
At the present time 65 counties have withdrawn from the state insurance pool because the very same and better coverage can be obtained from a private carrier.
Allen Barrett
Laziness, incompetence, kickbacks, the buddy system, and lack of concern? Yes, another negative thread. Why am I not surprised?
Ok folks, here's yet another opportunity to smear people you resent and for whatever reason. Judging from the posts already here, it looks like you are off to a good start! Shame on all of you.
What would you call it being that no one has even tried to find alternative savings before now?
So far as I can see Bill Holt is the only one identified and slandered. But he seems to have at least one defender. So all is not lost.
Teacher insurance went out of the state plan a time or two before. The insurance was cheaper the first year or two but then the suppliers went up and the state plan became cheaper. If fact the school insurance flip floped around several times from the state plan to priviate plans, trying to get cheaper insurance. The last time the Teacher's went back with the state plan they were told something about not being able to opt out again because if they did opt out they would not be able to join in with the state insurance again. If memory serves me correctly this was a decision made by the state comptroller---probably because the change in numbers covered caused trouble with the bidding process.
This is something that needs to be checked into and considered before jumping into an uninformed insurance change that could bite the county in the future.
Melanie
I understand Mr. Wilburn is in the insurance business himself. With that in mind, I am sure he will thoroughly check everything out. Lets give this new committee a chance.
WAB Why has Giles County been paying $240,000 for buildings and vehicles when it could have been covered for so much less and to which insurance agency is the county paying that amount?
The reason county insurance has been so high is because it has not been competitively bid out. My understanding is that much of the county insurance is with the state pool and the Alsup company.
Another potential problem is that some premiums are made out to the agent instead of to the policy holder, a practice that is almost completely unheard of in the insurance business.
Ask yourself if you get a no bid contract on a service then turn around and give a couple of thousand dollars to the business that the contract is with would that raise any eyebrows? This insurance committee stands to prevent this sort of thing from happening again. Allen Barrett
To Monday 9:05,
This committee has only met 1 time. How do you know he's doing a great job?
I don't know a lot about insurance, but the teacher's health insurance is handled by the State Comptroller's office and is to be bid on a yearly basis.
wab...
So are you suggesting impropriety on the part of Alsup Insurance? If so, looks like you are making yourself more enemies. Just wondering is all.
Mr. Wilburn is doing a great job at looking into how much money this county can save when he took the time to compare with other counties, counties who have bid out their insurance. The costs were extremely different with Giles County being the higher. I understand he, and others, have worked on this and spent many hours getting this information together and in doing so met much resistance from some of our county officials. I am impressed at how at least he's trying to save taxpayer money instead of finding ways to spend it.
9:34, You are correct about the swiftness of negativity...The fifth post started it; Melanie, I am not sure how you meant your statement and I usually agree with you, but just a heads up for those who are familiar, it is not slander if it's true; 3:35, I must have missed where WAB suggested anything, not being a mind reader and all, I only go by what is written, not what I believe or want to be written so I can complain about another's opinion.
7:33
I know you are not a mind reader; you've probably mentioned that at least two or three other times previously. By the way, my question was addressed to wab and not to you. Go back and read the post.
Now, let's compare apples with apples. First and foremost the county should look at ways to save money. However, how can you compare insurance coverage on a building in one county with another building in a separate county? Also, goes for health and accidental insurance. The premiums are based on the number of claims. Simply put, insurance rates are based on a number of factors. For example, I don,t believe any insurance agent would quote the same premium for auto, health, life, and homeowners to two different families with the same number in each household. Is there any need for further explination?
What a shallow perspective 9:27.
Of course agents quote different prices for auto, health, life, & homeowners to different families of the same number. You pay more if you have had traffic citations, pre-existing health conditions, age differences, and what the house is appraised at. The question is should there be over a hundred thousand dollars difference in the same basic coverage for the same basic property. Fact is we have been ripped off for a very long time by some folks who have gotten very wealthy off our backs.
Howard, not only have some gotten wealthy, what about the lack of responsibility on the part of county officials (County Executive??) and the Finance Director, prior members of the Budget Comm. and the Financial Management Comm? Under this financial management accounting system I though ALL purchaes over a certain amount by law should be bid out. Am I wrong?
You, 7:37, are right about the shared responsibility and who has the biggest hands in the pie. There is no problem with the Financial Management Act the problem is with the people who have been put in charge of it and continue to operate it as sloppy as the former financial system. It's like blaming the law that established the position of County Mayor for there being a terrible county mayor in office. You must also remember that the school system is still trying to be let of the Financial Management process.
Sounds to me that if we didnt have the financial management act this behavior on the part of some elected and appointed officials would have continued from here on out. Thanks to Wendell Wilburn, his committee and others who have revealed this 'thumb your nose at the public we can do what we want' mentality out in the open.
Why is it that any topic that is brought up - or any comment that reports accounts of meetings or elected officials - or any comment about considerations of change, bring up an immediate defense from someone or whining about an attack? Could it be the same someone or someones who had the signs made for the courthouse that things have been alright the last 200 years and to keep them that way? Just curious.
Yeah, well times are changing and thank goodness for that. Obama isn't keeping his word and keeping an open and transparent government. But, it looks like citizens and and a few commissioners are making sure there is transparency in local government. Kudos to them!!! I am anxious to find out what is revealed in this insurance debacle and who all has sat back and let it happen at the taxpayer's expense. Should be real interesting. Glad to see our local newspaper is reporting this and on the front page to boot! Thanks to the Pulaski Citizen!!
2:21
No, it's because each and every new topic that is brought up is negative in nature and designed to stir up trouble.
I think somebody had better be very careful in making accusations.
4:22 you don't know what you are talking about. Who better be careful and why? What is being reported here is exactly what took place in the insurance meeting. Are you saying the member of the committee and what is being reported by our local newspaper is not true. You are right, someone better be careful..but it isn't anyone speaking out for change and accountability for our tax dollars. Maybe you should be a bit more clear what you mean in your post.
4:22 just blowing smoke as usual. Have you considered that the reason the paper has finally printed anything about this is because Mr Barrett has embarrassed them into action. If there is anyone in this county that has proven themselves worthy of being a commissioner it's Mr Barret when that happens then we will really see things stirred up no more crookedness as usual. Mr Barret a commissioner is Vanzant's greatest nightmare that's why she pulled every thing possible in the last election.
I certainly agree!
Ruby
The local paper printed a report of the Insurance Committee meeting in the first issue following the meeting which was held last week. I dont believe Mr. Barrett had anything to do with the report in the paper.
Im talking about maybe accusing an insurance company of fraud.
No one is accusing an insurance company of fraud. You really don't know what you are talking about!! Please make comments that make some attempt at making sense. Please explain what the heck you are trying to say. You come off very ignorant of what you are speaking of.
Hang on cowboys and girls. Why not wait and see exactly how much the county can save in insurance preiums by bidding it out. Don't start claiming everyone has been doing underhanded work until you have proof. And as far as all the praising going to the insurance committee, what has taken them so long to learn the county has been supposedly paying too much for insurance?
There is no accusation against an insurance company just a specific agent and the proof is in the envelop.
I know some on here can't stand the thought of giving Mr. Barrett any credit but he deserves a lot of praise for having this blog and taking the junk anonymous people throw at him because he's responsible enough to use his own name.
You moron 9:50, the insurance committee was just formed in the past few weeks. Helloooo, where have you been. Maybe you are the one who should do more listening and less talking. Ya think??
ruby
Oh, but I do beg your pardon. I know what I'm talking about. It's a very dangerous thing make a suggestion or accusation that a local insurance agency is defrauding county government. And I believe that is exactly what was "suggested" here. Now that's no way to make friends, let alone prople who would vote for you on election day, is it?
6:16 it wasn't a suggestion. I already have friends and don't need any votes.
Beg my pardon? You do know what you are talking about? Uh, no you don't. How is it dangerous? Lots of accusations on your part that maybe you need to give some clarity to. You sound like someone who wishes they knew. Someone who hopes nothing like what you are suggesting could be happening. Hmmmm...now talking about losing votes because of decisions made.Sounds like some of the suspected sinister activity that goes on in this county. You sound like you know first hand about it? Who are you again???? hahahahahaha..no one here is stupid
Wow! It seems that anytime Mr. Barrett posts anything of truth, people attack him and say he is posting something negative to "stir up trouble". I say "Thanks Mr. Barrett for making us aware of issues in our community that are not always brought to our attention!".
I have personally gotten a quote from Alsup Insurance and after checking around found that I could get BETTER coverage elsewhere for about 1/4 of the cost! So, I know there is truth in what is being said. It only makes common sense that the county would compare prices... all insurance is not created equally and the rates vary drastically depending on where you go. By the way, I am not saying that Alsup does not provide good coverage or reasonable rates... I am just saying that they were not able to meet my needs at a reasonable rate and shopping around proved to be very cost effective for me.
I am glad that the county is making efforts to correct this problem. It is a shame that nothing has been done before now, but we can't change that. Let's just focus on supporting and encouraging the new insurance board to make the right decisions for the citizens of Giles County!
From what I hear Alsup Insurance has given a 'rebate' each year to the school system and from what I understand, those thousands were spent on lunches and refreshments for the school board meetings, etc. Is it any wonder the insurance has not been bid out?
Ruby
I was referring to the one who is making suggestions of impropriety needing friends and ultimately votes in the future.
9:20
My comments were directed to ruby and not to you. But, since you mentioned it, I must beg your pardon as well.
Don't you just love it when some moron posts on a public blog then takes offense when someone offers a differing point of view?
"I believe my comment was directed at..." or some other such nonsense. Nutjob, if you want to respond to someone there is private email and snailmail for that. On a public blog, people are free to respond to all posts, positive, negative, or indifferent. And others are correct, you don't want to be confused by facts, just toss zingers at the blog owner. Grow up.
Public blog idiot 3:48, I will comment when and where I wish and you needed setting straight anyway. It is called a spine or backbone when you think less of your self-benefit and think of others. That is what has been done here. I for one am proud of those coming forward with the information they have taken the time to research. You wouldn't understand anything like that because if all you think about are keeping votes when it comes to making a good decision or doing the right thing. You are pathetic!! Sure you are not Janet Vanzant? Sounds like some of her logic. Soon all the trash is going to be taken out. It is has been good for some of these elected officials way too long and their comrades who have benefited off their friendship with elected officials by swaying them by support or lack thereof in securing them each election. That is exactly what goes on in this crooked little town. And those crooked little people are not representative of the people of this community. Why is it that when options are being explored like are being done here, someone like you has to suggest that those who are actively working to save the county money are suggesting the unthinkable? You are a pathetic individual because you turn the tables to make those looking into things the bad people. Speaks volumes about you! What kind of idiot does not explore their options from time to time? When I get my insurance renewal each year on my home and autos and so forth,if I have had an increase I also look at other options. It is the smart thing to do. For a county to go decades without exploring options because the local agent secures their thinking that they have the best insurance they can get is ill advised and plain stupid. Surely, our local leaders haven't been this stupid! Or is their more here than what meets the eye? I hold all parties accountable. Local leaders, including commissioners as well as the agent who handles the county insurance, regardless of who he or she is, to seek out a cost savings each and every year. It doesn't appear that has been done. So, it has to make me and other citizens wonder who's interest it serves to not look at your options. We all know this centers around $$$$. Money really can be the root to all evil.
Sometimes "cheaper" insurance isn't really better. I hope they don't jump on a "cheaper" policy, just because it is "cheaper". Cheap companies tend to start out that way, and slowly but surely increase policy costs and slowly but surely decrease benefits. Insurance in general, is something everyone needs and should have. What you buy depends on how big of a gambler you are.
To the intelligent person defending the insurance committee. The committee may have just formed the last few weeks, but the people serving on that committe have known about the insurance rates for some time. Furthermore, this post started out by saying the county could save $750,000.00 by bidding out their insurance. But the article in the local paper said there may not be any savings, but was worth exploring. So, instead of everybody getting all hostile about all these so called underhanded dealings with the insurance, why not wait and see exactly what the actual savings could be. You may just find youselves eating a lot of CROW. What do you think?
Why thank you for complimenting my intelligence.!!! :)) You seem to have a thorn in your side with the thought of anyone investigating. You are who again??? Speak up I didn't hear you! There are savings to be had. Is isn't a matter of IF, it is a matter of how much. I don't eat crow, sorry to disappoint you. I don't open my mouth when I should keep it shut talking on subjects I have no knowledge. Only one person I can think of that would be against the research being done. Anyone come to your mind???
5:45 and 6:01
You could be one and the same person, and that's cool with me. It's fine to disagree, but must you be so childish as to resort to name-calling just because you don't like what I have to say?
You know, this slanderous talk about the local insurance agent can result in a lawsuit. It could come down to your having to prove the charges in court, so,I would again recommend that you who are doing this think twice about it. I would bet that you haven't even considered how this can hurt his business and sow those seeds (Johnny Appleseed) of distrust in the minds of his customers. But that's ok as long as it doesn't affect you, right? Shame on all of you who are guilty!
And, 6:01, I believe you are the pathetic individual and not me. I'm not on here calling people liars, crooks, and thieves like some do. And you try to "turn the tables" on me by suggesting (sowing seed) that I am not in favor of tax dollar savings or perhaps that I would defend wrong. Such erroneous and clouded thinking speaks volumes about you.
Finally (to 5:45), let me just say this about my post concerning who my comment was directed toward. I just think it is rude when one jumps in the middle of other folks' conversation. Don't you? It's called bad manners in case you didn't know.
Oh, what contentions, strife, and hatred an angry individual with a Napoleonic Syndrome can stir! Think.
I cant see where slander has been made against any one agent. Facts is fact. Its a good thing this insurance committee has finally been formed and as to it taking so long, you have to realize the folks who managed to get it approved have been struggling with this for months and months and meeting mucho resistance. (I wonder why). If the research finds just a few dollars saved, it would be thr right thing to do for the taxcpayers. To my way of thinking I thought the financial director was supposed to bid out all contracts and sevices over a certain amount. Anyone out there know why she didnt do it?
Anyone heard any talk about wos running for county ex?? Heard Scott Stewart, Tommy Campbell and Vanzant.
6:32 it is your thinking that keeps this county in the blind and non-progressive. If you are such a watchdog for the behavior in this county as to wrongs and rights, I would personally like to ask you where have you been all these years to keep our local leaders honest and working for the people. Seems as soon as someone begins to try and improve the financial state of our county or improve things period, there is always someone like you, who I am near certain who you are, that wants to distract readers to think those folks trying to better our county are doing wrong for doing so. It has taken courage and a lot of hard work for this committee to come together and establish credible reasoning for looking to change what the old school folks have had work so well for THEM. Those folks know who I am talking about. This committee has done their homework and to suggest they have jumped the gun proves how unenlightened you are or guilty of something. I haven't figured out which yet. You don't care who slanders someone or makes false statements. You are scared or affected by this change someway. It is clear. Your scare tactics don't work. Keep trying to divert attention, it is all going to be brought out in the open and folks can make their own judgments. This committee has only met once. Mighty arrogant of you to assume you know anything of what is going on. But, if it makes you feel empowered to continue to shoot off your mouth on subjects either you don't know anything about or try to divert attention because the heat is getting turned up, go right ahead. You will look like the fool in the end.
8:10 If Tommy Campbell runs for county exec he will be throwing his money away. He has been saying this for the past sevral elections but never runs. I think he does it to try to split the vote.
Mr Barrett maybe we need a new topic about the eletions.
That is exactly why he does it 9:23. Janet enlists his help so she is assured to get back in. I too have heard Scott Stewart is interested. I would definitely support Scott. He is an honest person and feel he understands what is going on in this county from reporting on all the meetings. He hears how unhappy citizens are in this county. They are tired of the good ole boy politics and politics as usual mentality. We need fresh ideas, someone who is for the people and and their own selfish agenda. Tommy Campbell will hopefully not be voted back in as County Commissioner. He is another fence rider. He tells you one thing and does another. I guess that is the tie that binds him and Janet Vanzant. Arrogant and most arrogant, is the perfect description for the two of them. Time for a change and better representation in Giles County and it starts with electing an honest, forthright candidate for county exec. and everything else will fall into place. Then city voters need to get Dan Speer out and better leadership in the city. When all of this is done, then Pulaski and Giles County can begin to improve and be the city/county we all need it to be.
8:55
Of course, you will make all sorts of false charges about my thinking simply because I'm not in agreement with you. That's fine. I have as much right to my opinion as you do. Who died and made you and a certain few other know-it-all complainers the ones who are always right and the rest of us dim-witted and apathetic? WRONG!
Those of us who take an active role in making our government accountable to us that's who. I don't have a problem with you having any opinion. I just have a problem with you thinking you know what is going on here. Because you DON'T! If you had any wits about you, then why haven't you launched an investigation into fraud, waste and abuse in this county??? Instead of scrutinizing those who are taking the bull by the horns to get accountability. Unless you are not a Giles Countian, the actions of those going to task to research this is not only helping all citizens of this county but, you as well. And that is what totally baffles the hell out of me! Why would you not want accountability? And why must you scrutinize anyone that does as well as how they get it done? So what if fingers, toes, feelings and egos get bruised. Life just ain't fair. Didn't your mama ever tell you that? You are a do nothin'. You just get on here and yap, yap, yap about things you are guessing at. Not a shred of an idea of what is going on. You form an opinion without even asking Mr. Wilburn and the committee how and what information they have. You are a shallow-minded person, with nothing better to do than sit in judgment. Or, are you maybe perhaps going to be affected if the insurance gets changed to another agent/carrier. You sure make me wonder!!
4:00 Maybe the person you are writing to DOES know what all has been going on and their postings are on the defense.
That is my thinking 6:11!
It is the same one that has been trying to divert attention away from every topic. She claimed that she was not going to get back on here but she can't help herself. If anything comes out of all this, it may upset her applecart.
to 4:00
Why haven't I launched an investigation into fraud and abuses? What a laugh! I leave the "launching business" to the wabhound.
People like you never cease to amaze me. You call me names and accuse me of the very things you do. Uh, I believe we call that hypocrisy. And then you apparently think you are a mind-reader. Well, you and your pals here who posted above certainly don't know what you are talking about when it comes to me. What makes you think I'm a female? I'm all man, brother!Hilarious!
You are really getting good at calling me names.
You are a female! I did not call you a name of any kind. We can leave all of the unfounded opinions and statements to you.
6:21 I know you are at the point of desperation to be right on some subject, any subject on this blog but, as much as I feel sorry for you I have to set you straight. First of all, I never suggested you were female. You gender never occurred to me. I think your clueless regardless of your gender. As far as my suggestion to investigate fraud, waste and abuse. It is your obligation and mine and any citizen who has knowledge to bring it to the attention of the appropriate people. Unfortunately, in small communities such as Giles County folks feel intimidated to question our local leaders. They feel they will be ostracized for questioning their very authority. It is easy to make enemies in this town, just have a different opinion or do not go along with the majority, that is all it takes. So, for you to suggest that it a bad thing to feel compelled to motivate and encourage those in leadership roles to look into matters you may have information about, is nothing more than being an honest, upfront,responsible citizen. Leave it to the likes of you to suggest someone is wrong for showing concern and making the effort to actively involved in the community. You know, every time you open your mouth, something else ignorant pops out of it. It would serve you well, to put a cork in it when you have nothing more to say than accusatory statements about people you have no knowledge of. As far as calling names goes, I think you are a big enough girl/boy to handle it. If you want to cry about something or tattle, I encourage you to get involved in what is going on in our local government. Their is plenty for us all to cry over regarding that. So, grow a thicker skin if you don't like honest folks offering their honest opinions about what they think of you. It seems a double standard to me. If you knew what was really going on, you wouldn't be making such ignorant statements but, my real assumption is that I believe you are someone that will be hurt in this revelation.
To: 6:32 from 5:45- First of all, I did not mention a single ins co, perhaps a reading tutor is in order for you. Second of all, I absolutely agree with you that it is indeed rude for a third party to jump into the middle of a private conversation between two others. Equally rude would be engaging in a "private conversation" in the middle of a large group of people or on a public blog. This is not a private medium, so if you do not want others reading and/or commenting on your posts, you may want to look into another form of communication. Perhaps I should not have called you a moron or nutjob. I apologize for that and realize a more constructive phrase may have been to "quit acting like a moron and nutjob."
However, I challenge you to reveal where I made unkind remarks about an ins co, and an fyi to you is also in order as you apparently do not realize that in a slander suit, the burden of proof rests solely with the complainent. One does not have to prove their statements true, the offended party must prove accusations are false. True statements are an ironclad defense against slander.
The weather has been nice!!
10:55
Calm down! You're going to have a stroke getting upset like this.
Who can tell who said what with everyone signing Anonymous?
Other people have thoughts and may want to comment about what was said.
I often wonder if the same person is writing every post.
Yes the weather has been nice, just a little cool today.
Why would you wonder that? And wouldn't it be a bit foolish, unless of course it was for the purpose of keeping a dying blog alive?
Yes, it is a little cool, but would be a good day to go fishing.
Anyone know what the weather forecast is for the remainder of the week?
The weather will be cool with hot spots of disagreement and thunderclaps of arguementative speeches.
That only can happen in the good Ole USA! Be happy we can have an opinion and disagree with one another. Disagree or Agree,either way just move on.
It want be long before we start decorating for Christmas!
Speaking of the weather, does anyone know when we might get our first hard freeze? Thank you.
To 24 Oct 6:21 AM
I was just wondering how it is that you can in one post criticize another person for calling you a name but at the same time you refer to the "wabhound". Would you say that is a bit hypocritical of you or was that not what you actually meant to say?
Even worse in your hypocrisy you protest against the idea that someone else might "read your mind"
but you seem to have no problem telling others what is in my mind and what my motivations are.
Now before you have a hissy fit about not being allowed to criticize me or that people try to shut you up because they disagree with you let me assure you neither is true. You are free to criticize all you want I would just ask that you practice less hypocrisy in that criticism. As for disagreeing with you, well, you have every right to be as wrong as you choose. Allen Barrett
wab
Uh, I was merely making the distinction as to who the blogmaster is. Wasn't I describing your behavior, based on someone else's observation? I think so. I've even ehard "reporters" referred to as newshounds. My, but you are touchy!
By the way, you have every right to be wrong as well. And so often you are.
We should experience our first hard freeze by mid November.
That reminds me that we all need to check our antifreeze in our cars.
Taxpayers are having hundreds of thousands of dollars stolen from them and wasted on unnecessary insurance premiums and some rattlebrained enabler is only interested in diverting the topic to the weather. This is the same attitude that has caused the county to be in the terrible financial situation it's in now. When responsible people decide to take back the topic and focus on making those in office be accountable then progress can be made toward improvements. It's obvious from the weathermen that open discussion and improving the county aren't priorities. Allen Barrett
WAB Don't get discouraged. There are many people behind you and what you stand for. Thanks
Let's not respond to the ignorant one. That person is only responding to their self its obvious to see.
11:18
Actually, I AM responding to people exactly like you. You only perceive me as ignorant because my thinking doesn't harmonize with yours. Your suggestion that nobody respond to me is not in the spirit of free speech by any chance...is it?
6:53 I dont perceive you at all. I dont even think of you as a person but rather an "It" a pain in the butt who should be ignored. And it dont bother me if you have opportunity for free speech or not.
What a joke you are! Do you have to check in with this so-called free speech blog each day to get your directions as to how you should think? I'll bet you do.
I'm a "pain in the butt" to you, because, as I said before, my thinking isn't aligned with yours.
We have yet to hear what you think about anything but Mr. Barrett. You never seem to have an opinion on any topic that comes up, so how can we disgree with what you think about it?
I know this may be hard for you to imagine 9:01 but, you just made a fool of yourself. Mr. Barrett has expressed himself on this issue previously on this topic. Try scrolling up. You remind me of my husband who comes in and sits down to watch tv 30 minutes into the programming and proceeds to say, "what going on, how much have I missed?" I put him in his place just like I am you. You want to contribute to the conversation and give the appearance you may know what you are talking about, I suggest you start from post #1 working your back down in order to not look foolish like this again. Just friendly advice :)
I got the impression whomever was making the comments on the weather was as interesting as the squabbling. Nobody was making points on the insurance just stabbing at each other.
10:51
If I were your husband and you treated me that way, I wouldn't even be in the same room with you. Maybe that's why he came in thirty minutes late to the movie you were watching. Why not try to be nice instead of treating him like second class? Just some friendly advice for you.
I think you just proved my point. You have been trying to make everyone think you were a man. I knew you were a woman all the time and you kept saying how manly you were.
7:30 you called it right on 10:51 but you failed to see that there was probably no inconsistency in their being both a woman and manly. It would take a lot of man to be a woman like that. She obviously is more man that her husband for him to put up with her stupid behavior.
Probably! He tags along behing her all the time.
You missed the point 6:46. Pay attention!Not only are childish but, ignorant to boot! I am not the same person you are referring to 7:30. So what I am a woman. I never tried to hide my gender. Trust me..you have me totally confused with someone else. I know which one you are talking about though and that person is not me.
I don't have anything mixed up. You are exactly who I know you are. You are always trying to take the attention away from the topic and make it seem as if Mr. Barrett is to blame for it all. I think your jig is about up!
Well, I place blame for strife and hatred precisely where I think it belongs. That's my opinion, and you have yours.
3:12 Mr. Barrett carries no hatred. Perhaps the shoe is on the other foot. As for strife, all Mr. Barrett does is report what is happening in city and county government. The strife comes from and is amongst the elected folks who are supposed to be serving the citizens.
I wonder how the old bat brought her husband in line - wrapped her drawers around his head??? can't imagine why he follows her around
I'll bet if could find out where Highway 31 was, he'd be southbound and gone.
8:35
You say he carries no hatred and yet he calls people all kinds of names when they question his behavior. Is that what you call investigative reporting? Surely, you don't believe it is.
There you go again Mr Ignorant 9:26.
Show me one person I have "called all kinds of names" because they questioned my behavior. Please don't bother trying to say you qualify because I called you a name or two. My reaction to you has resulted from your stupid claims of knowing my motivations. So show me something tangible or just shut your lying mouth. Allen Barrett
Sounds like a storm is coming!
wab
Look, you can call me, Mrs. Vanzant, and several others you dislike all sorts of colorful names and then deny that you do, but the proof is right here in the pudding. Just look at what you called me in the above post. Would that be tangible enough for you?
STOP PICKING AT EACH OTHER AND GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT. The county has excellent health insurance and it is bid out by the state. If you drop the state policy you don't get back on. The other insurance should be bid just like the health already is. The kick backs are too much. If we buy insurance from a local group and they turn around give money to the administrators to spend on meals and etc. that is wrong. Is that how Van Zant & Jackson feed everyone all the time. How many meetings are there where there are meals involved. If there is an all day meal I see feeding. If you have a meeting and it is a couple of hours they need to eat before or after they come.
I think Mr. Barrett say show the proof or shut your lying mouth. Seems pretty straight forward to me 6:20. It's not name calling when it's true.
9:49
I would refer you to the 10:49 post. Do you seriously contend that there was no name-calling?
The storm is here!
9:49
Well, you say the wrong thing in public to the right person, and you might just wind up in court. Have you ever heard of defamation of character? True or not, you nor anyone professing to be a follower of Christ should not be out here in public trying to do hurtful things to others. I sorta had the idea that a Christian would pray for those individuals rather than try to make a public spectacle of them. Is that not what Christ taught? It wouldn't hurt some of us to literally wash our brother's feet.
Mr. Barrett...
Would you humble yourself enough to wash my feet?
I volunteer to stand in for Mr. Barrett in washing your stincking feet - then I'll pour the waste water over your head!
5:28
I believe the question was directed to wab and not you. Nice try though.
public blog moron 5:56..if you don't like what response you get or who you get it from then leave and don't come back. otherwise, deal with it!
Amazing 6:20, can you not read a complete sentence. I never said I haven't called people names only that I nave not done so without also presenting the evidence for such a name. Your 6:36 post also conveniently leaves out that part about the proof for the names.
I certainly have never had any problem washing a another person's feet but if you think I would do nothing but pray for a person who was robbing me you have to be insane. Christians have a privilege and duty to pray for others but they also have an obligation to say what is right and wrong and are required to stand firmly for what is right. This has nothing to do with having humility but having the strength of character to form beliefs and stand by them.
So you can attack away my fine feathered friend but your bitter cawing will have no impact on what I know to be right. Allen Barrett
wab
Well, humility is certainly a virtue you seem to be lacking. I knew you would accuse me of attacking you by making that simple point. And I wouldn't allow you to wash my feet anyhow.
By the way, you are supposed to be a minister, and I am absolutely astounded by your behavior. Oh, but you would say I am the ONLY one in Giles County who sees that. Right? Do you understand the concept of stumbling block?
9:09
Typically, when one intrudes on conversation between two others, it's called rudeness. If you don't like that response, try growing some manners or don't come back.
The question now is who is show humility the one who washes the feet of another or the one who refuses to allow his feet to be washed?
You arrogantly state, "By the way, you are supposed to be a minister, and I am absolutely astounded by your behavior. Oh, but you would say I am the ONLY one in Giles County who sees that. Right? Do you understand the concept of stumbling block?"
I refer you to the thread "Another Freedom Infringed On" the post dated 27 October 11:03 AM.
Part of what I said there about stumbling blocks is, “Let me suggest you read about the life and ministry of John the Baptizer, Jesus, Peter, John, Stephen, Paul and dozens of other preachers in the Bible who went out “in public creating havoc and calling people names”. It seems Jesus was claimed to have turned the world upside down. You might also read 1 Peter 2:8 where Jesus is described as a “stumbling stone and rock of offense” to some folks. The Bible states that people stumble because of their blind unbelief. Now for some more modern day preachers who have publicly called others names have you ever heard of such people as Martin Luther, Jonathan Edwards, John Calvin, John Wesley, John Knox, Charles Spurgeon, Thomas Campbell, Alexander Campbell. Martin Luther King Jr., WA Criswell, Billy Graham, George Truett, RG Lee, Jerry Falwell, Bob Jones, Oral Roberts. Each of these men were very effective in leading many to Christ but were vilified and cursed by many others, did their failure to please everyone prevent them being considered preachers even outstanding preachers? Every time a preacher calls sin what it is and those involved what they are he will be considered a trouble maker and “stumbling block”. Those who only want straight talk in church and meek get along acceptance outside of church will never be pleased with the active faith of others”.
To those trying to discuss the situation with county insurance I apologize, but I can not allow some weasel like little coward to make such serious accusations without responding. Allen Barrett
wab
I would never allow you to wash my feet to show humility for two reasons. First of all, I would doubt your sincerity. Secondly, I don't think it lies within you to humble yourself to that degree. Those are opinions and not accusations.
I fail to grasp your connection between John the Baptist, Jesus, Jerry Falwell, and others with the concept of stumbling blocks. You keep asking if I've heard of those notables you mentioned. Of course, I have. Why would you think otherwise? By the way, you are no Martin Luther King, Jr. or Jerry Falwell.
The Bible also speaks of stubling blocks as things that would cause one's brother to stumble. And many times, would-be Christians are "turned off" by the hypocrisies they see among those who profess it. It's somewhat akin to the smoker with a cigarette in his hand trying to convince others not to smoke. They can't hear the message, because the behavior is deafening.
I hope my response has again helped to clear up what I see as additional misunderstandings on your part.
Wish someone would set up a blog for all those who want to criticize or praise WAB. What ever you have to say means nothing in the long run, or perhaps the short run since we may not be on this earth too much longer. God will be his judge just he will be yours and mine.
I WOULD like for this line of the blog to get back to the insurance question.
12:57 are you really that dumb or do you just play at it? WAB gave a great explanation in his statement that he referred you to but I doubt you bothered to read it since it would have interfered with your whining.
I didn't read anything where WAB compared himself to anyone only made it clear that many great preachers including Jesus was considered stumbling blocks by some people.
I would say get a brain but then you wouln't know what to do with it.
6:14 you are a true idiot! No one is having a private conversation on this blog. It is a blog!!! You must be a newbie to the computer and internet. What a laugh you are! I am going no where...sorry to disappoint you. I am having way to much fun getting under your skin!!!
2:53
The question was address to someone other than you, so why would you presume that it was asked of just anyone? And you call me an idiot? Oh, come now; we both know better, don't we?
Dear Idiot
This is a public blog, anyone is free to answer anyone's questions whether you want to hear and consider their answers or not. If you don't like that perhaps you and your friend could exchange email address and spare the rest of the pain of your criticism for using a public blog as it is intended to be used.
If you want to have a private conversation then the blog is not the place for you.
Melanie
Look, melanie, I asked a specific question specifically to wab. As smart as you apparently think you are, I am perplexed that you can't see that it was not meant for just anyone to answer. Do you have a problem with others speaking for you?
Your childish name-calling is very unbecoming of someone of your intelligence! I'll not get down to your level by playing that game. I have a little more class.
To 8:28 the only class you have a lot of is minus the cl.
Financial Management Meeting coming up this week. Not sure what day but think they will be discussing the bidding of the insurance. Will be interesting to see how Tee Jackson and Barry Hyatt and Janet Vanzant votes on bidding out the insurance.
The weather is suppose to be nice the rest of the week.
The problem will not be Mr. Hyatt. That you can bank on!
8:44
I have no class because you don't like what I have to say? Ridiculous. No, I have class because I don't get down and dirty with the name-calling.
I suppose melanie isn't bothered at all by someone else speaking on her behalf? What a joke!
You have no class not because people don't like what you say or because you don't get down and dirty with the name calling, you have no class because you have no support for what you say, you lie with ease and you defend evil and call more people names than Don Rickles. You have no class because you have no credibility and are a one topic dunce who perceives himself an intellectual gift to the world.
Financial Management Committee is scheduled to met Thursday 5 Nov. at 10:30 in the basement of the Courthouse Annex. Allen Barrett
howard...
Oh, but you are wrong, pal. I have class and taste because I know how to treat my fellow man. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but you will get over it in time. And I don't need a huge following or approval from the masses to feel good about who I am or to have credibility. There are LOTS of people who feel exactly as I do about all the strife and hatred so prevalent here in Giles County. Just because they do not get on this blog doesn't negate the fact that they are out there.
Furthermore, I am NOT a liar and enabler of wrong as you so falsely charge. I would think that he who makes false statements would be more a liar than one who shows restraint and, yes, class.
442 sounds just like a pharisee from the BIBLE. It was a trick question that nobody could answer much like the standard, "have you stopped beating your wife?"
5:21
Wrong! That was a legitimate question that really could have been answered with a yes or a no. Nothing tricky about it.
O' great humble one who loves to brag about how much class you have I notice you haven't responded to the comments by wab in the "Another Freedom Infringed On" thread. I guess you just been to busy bragging about how humble you are to answer those questions.
9:49
Wrong! I simply stated the fact that I have a little more class than to get down to certain levels. It was people like howard that forced the issue. I'm proud that I was raised to treat people right, even when they disagree with me. That is not only called class but common decency, taste, and good manners.
I don't bother going to those threads that have dropped over into the "archives", but maybe I will just have a look. You know, it's the old curiousity killed the cat thing.
Make sure you have checked the batteries in you weather radio.
Sure has gotten quiet on here. What happened to discussing the issues instead of bickering back and forth on here about trivial, childish crap? I want to know more about what role Jimmy Alsup and Alsup Insurance plays in this scenario. How long has Jimmy Alsup been servicing the county's insurance? I can't believe the leadership in this county. You have the opportunity to save the county money??? And you haven't even looked into it??That isn't very smart on the part of those who have sat idly by and allowed this coverage to never be bid out. Does anyone working for the county in these so called, "positions of power" give a rats hiney about saving our county money at any and every opportunity. It is not about keeping a local good ole boy in business just because he can offer a service to the county. at the cost of ripping off taxpayers. That seems to be how our county does business and has for decades. Well, I want the best bang for my taxpaying buck!! Friendships, kinships and everything else aside. This insurance should have been always bid. Just because you bid it does not mean you have to change the insurance. But, at least we would know if lower premiums exist and then we could make the decision as to whether we change our current carrier or leave it the same. How hard really is it to understand that??? Are our leaders really so ignorant they can't figure out what is best in this situation? Come on finance committee, bid this insurance out and let's see if we can save some money. Do the right thing, that is what we elected you to do.
10:48
The leadership may be, in your opinion, ifnorant, but they darn sure have the ability to get elected when some of the know-it-all wannabes can't.
excuse me...typo...meant to spell ignorant.
Even obama got elected 4:20 would you say he's done a bang up job. I guess I shouldn't use the word job and obama in the same sentence somehow they just don't fit.
To 10:48. Tomorrow at 1)0:30 in the Basement of Suntrust the Financial Management Committee will be meeting to discuss the very issue of county insurance bids among some other very important issues. Allen Barrett
Once again the meetings are in the morning when the people affected by change work. Leave the health insurance alone and bid out the others. If you screw up the health insurance the county will be stuck with nothing because the state will not take us back.
5:49
You are so right. Please impress that upon Mr. Wilburn. This can be a disaster.
My understanding of the State insurance program is that you cant go back on until after 2 years has passed. That aside, I've only heard grumbles about the state insurance with employees having to pay astonomic premiums for their families. Just maybe there is something better out there.
Family coverage on the PPO plan is $650.00 a month.
Teachers are very happy with their insurance coverage and want it left alone. If it starts getting tampered with they may have an uprise about what they end up with. It was done at other times and it didn't suit the teachers. They didn't get everything promised to them. So let's leave the teachers out of a joint venture.
Thank you, An Educator
You don't understand 11:17. Someone has clearly mislead you on purpose to make you panic. Nothing is being proposed to change your coverages. Health insurance isn't even the big picure. It is the other insurance the county has in place on buildings, vehicles and liability and Workman's Comp and such. Unfortunately, you could not make the finance meeting this morning because you are a teacher and were working. You have Janet Vanzant to thank for these meetings that are in the morning. There are a lot of people in office who don't want you the taxpayer to know what is truly going on. If you had been able to attend you would have clearly understand what the concern is and what measures are being taken to alleviate high insurance costs. Please don't fall for the scare tactics that our finance director, county executive and some commissioners who have trust in Vanzant and Garner are generating. They are the ones worried. They are afraid that the citizens are truly going to find out how hoodwinked we have been over the past few years. Like Mr. Wilburn said in the meeting today. This isn't rocket science. For example: If you own a $85,000 home and have it insured with ABC company and you receive your renewal in the mail from your current carrier and your premium has increased since your last renewal a year ago. Average intelligence tells you that you should shop around. You sit down with your current policy and begin calling insurance companies that sell homeowners insurance. You get an apples to apples comparison. Info based on your current coverage, claims experience, and so on and so forth. If you find out the the policy is cheaper with another company for the SAME EXACT coverage, then you entertain the idea of changing companies. Now, our county elected officials and Garner & Vanzant have not been doing their jobs to insure we are getting the best coverage for the buck. It has always been with Alsup Ins. because it has never been rebid. It has never been rebid according to Vanzant & Garner is because CTAS(County Technical Assistance Service says it doesn't have to be bid because it is in a state pool. Well, who benefits from not bidding it? Seems to me that would be Mr. Jimmy Alsup. TADA! He has had it for many, many years now. Well, why would our county exec. and finance dir. not want to bid this out? What would their basis for not doing so be? Perhaps, there is some sort of arrangement between these two ladies and Mr. Jimmy Alsup to not bid it so he gets to keep the business. At taxpayers expense of course!!! Logical people handle their own personal finances in such a way as to save money where they can, while keeping the same coverage. Why would these two ladies be so dead set against understanding this logic? Should be seen the same way with our county taxpaying dollars because that is our money as well. Everyone's money that lives and pays taxes in this county. Is it stupidity, ignorance or just plain deceiving to the taxpaying citizens of this county? It is either a black or white issue and very easily understood. There is no gray here. Bid the insurance out with the SAME EXACT coverage and see what comes in from these other carriers. Just because you bid the insurance out DOES NOT mean you have to change carriers. Anyone who understands the bidding process should know this. There is something not right with why this finance committee is being difficult. There is something not right with our county not bidding out insurance for the sake of getting a cheaper rate. It is your job Loretta Garner to be looking for all and any cost savings measures your can find. You are salary demands it. If you can't do that without having a insurance consultant then you either need to resign your position or cut your salary to offset the cost for our county to have an insurance consultant. Let me guess...is that consultant going to be Mr. Jimmy Alsup or have any ties to him??
2:30 you have some good points. My problem is that Mr. Morris is pushing this so hard. Do you think that he does not intend to get something out of this himself? I agree with the bidding out the insurance 100%. I disagree with an insurance agent having anything to do with the bidding process. I do hope that you are right about the health insurance. The school system has excellent health insurance. We have had people get off then beg to get back on. I know people who have gotten off and gone to a private carrier and paid $300 for one person and get nothing in return. Let's face health insurance is sky high.
Whatever you hear about CTAS saying since the county is in a "pooled" insurance and does not need to be bid out is WRONG. Dont believe everything you are told when CTAS is quoted. Remember we are now under Financial Management Act 1981 which says EVERYTHING over a certain amount MUST be bid out. One big problem we have is our county officials are still operating under the guidelines of General Law instead of Act of 1981. This is also true of our CTAS Representive, who, by the way, has been found incorrect on many issues. We just have to stand up to and question these people who try to hoodwink the public. Also need to ask for proof of decisions in writing.
Mr. Morris is pushing this so hard to help our county. Not everyone in is a crook or corrupt. Mr. Morris does not do the type of insurance that is being discussed. Understandably, you are concerned seeing how it is clear that Jimmy Alsup has had the business all to himself for many years and at a pretty high price to the taxpayers. To not even entertain the idea that cheaper rates could be attained is absurd. My suggestion to you is contact Mr. Morris if your are so concerned and he will gladly explain the current situation our county is in with insurance. If there is one thing that can be said about Mr. Morris, he tells you the truth. He can disagree with you and at the same time be civil. That can't be said about many on or off the county commission. Did you ever stop and think that Mr. Morris recently threw his hat in the ring for the opportunity to get back on the county commission would not allow him to be able to bid insurance or be connected in any way. Why would Mr. Morris want back on the commission if he was interested in bidding the county's insurance? Doesn't make any sense. Mr. Beet's commission seat became vacant quite some time after this insurance issue arose. Just think about things. Better yet, pick up the phone and call him if you have these concerns and let him explain. I know you will understand this much better when you have someone explain things to you that does not have a dog in the race.
It seems some of you have already tried, convicted, and awaiting the death penalty on Mr. Alsup. Take a little advice and wait and see exactly how much money if any the county has been overspending on insurance. Make sure you compare apples with apples. Furthermore, when Mr. Morris was a county commissioner, did he address the insurance at that time? Don't bid it out just for the sake of getting a cheaper bid, because sometimes cheaper is not always better. Is it?
12:40
You are right. Cheaper is not even "often" better. I hope you and others will impress this upon Mr. wilburn, who seems determined to put the insurance out for bids from what I am hearing. This can be a HUGE mistake, because the county could not necessarily go back to its present policy when the new group policy rates go through the roof after the first year. There is such a thing as proving insurability to get back on a group plan once you leave it, and I would have thought Wilburn would have known that since he is in the insurance business. Perhaps that's because he sells fire insurance on buildings and not health insurance. Please urge him to become familiar with the pitfalls of leaving a group plan.
From all I have read, I de believe the $35.00 charge proposed by Loretta Garner is the best and smartest way to go. I am CERTAIN that the county employees would wish they could go back and do just that once their coverage gets into a big mess. Tell Mr. Wilburn to leave it alone!
You who call Mr. Alsup a crook should think twice about this. And NO, I am not related to him in any way whatsoever..
What's another $35.00. If the employee is in a family plan they are already paying over $600.00 a month for that and it's going up.
$35 a month is a bargain for health insurance. The health insurance is already bid out statewide. I don't see how you can beath that. The state pays a portion of the teacher's insurance and will not pay that if they get off the state policy. That needs to be taken into consideration. It might be that if they are looking at health insurance that the county and school system will have to be separated. The county and school system are not on the same policy and do not pay the same premium but they are both though the state. The school systems get a better price because there are more school employees state wide than county employees.
Again, I fear that Mr. Wilburn is going to mess up the group insurance big time. Respectfully, I hear he's a nice man but perrsistent when he wants his way about things. I just hope he will listen to experienced people who are in the life and health insurance industry before he pursues this further.
I understand that some counties in TN that have left the state plan had their non state insurance almost double the next year. Also that the state proposed a fine for one county in the negborhood of a million to two million dollars to allow them to join the state pool after two years of increasing insurance costs.
This sould be checked out by someone in the know about insurance before any serious steps are taken to remove our teachers from the state plan.
e
Mr. Wilburn...
I hope and pray that you are listening. This is not the time to turn a deaf ear.
7:34 you are right. Let Wilburn and his crew check with Jackson County and see what happened to them. We don't have the money to get back on like they did. They learned real quick what can happen when you get off the state policy and bid out to a private company. Please check with them they have the experience and know what happens.
I just hope it's not going to be a "my way or the highway" outcome. We can't afford to buy our way back on to a plan that, given a choice, those covered under it prefer to keep in place.
Mr. Wilburn may have some experience in the fire insurance business, but this is not the time for "on-the-job training in group health insurance. The consequences can be devastating!
Why is it so hard for some of you to understand that this has nothing NOTHING to do with your health insurance, the federal government is about to screw you on that one.
No insurance benefits are seeking to be changed only the cost. What is so objectionable about simply finding out if there is a savings to be had and the size of that saving.
Vanzant and Jackson have vested interest in keeping Alsup as the carrier. Brown takes orders from Jackson and Campbell has fought against accountability with every effort even tried to prevent Financial Management from being put in place now he is the chairman, disgusting.
The consequences can be devastating.
Why can't some of you people listen.This has nothng to do with your HEALTH INSURANCE. It has been said over and over and you still complain about your Health Coverage. One employee even threatened to sue the county if they mest up her health coverage after being told repeatly that it was not Health Coverage.
mary...
What do you think Mr. Wilburn and others are talking about? Why did Ms. Garner propose(suggest)that each covered employee pay an additional thirty-five dollars in order to maintain the present group plan? I think maybe you are the one who needs to listen.
Sue away, lots of people seem to be doing that over the last 20 years.
I don't think she will win if her insurance is changed. Employers has been changing insurance for years and we aren't always happy with it, but can't do anything.
This post has nothing to do with any elected ofical or private citizen, just remembering when my employer changed my insurance.
Loretta proposed the $35 dollars when she received the county's health insurance renewal and saw how much of an increase there was going to be. Has nothing to do with Wendell Wilburn.For Pete's sake get a bit better informed before making such statements. Appears still you need to listen and perhaps, you could do that better by keeping your mouth shut for a little while, ole ye of little knowledge.
8:03
Oh, I know you are right, and I'm wrong. Isn't that par for the course? Please allow me to apologize for being just another ignorant and ill-informed Giles Countian who is totally apathetic to anything going on here. Why couldn't we have smarter people like you in charge of things? Why? Because you can't get elected!
Oh ye who know it all. That has got to be too frustrating. Ouch!
You seem to be really concerned about who wants to be elected. Could it be because you know your time is about up?
7:07
Wrong again. As I have tried to explain to you and other whiners, I have no desire to run for elected office. I've been asked, but I would never tolerate the name-calling and smear tactics this blog is well known for.
I don't worry at all about your guys getting elected. Remember, some of them tried and were soundly defeated. Yep, I'm concerned about who gets elected, but I don't loose too much sleep worrying over your candidates getting in. Remember, some of them tried and were soundly defeated. You need to ask yourself why. And NO, it's not because Giles Countians are too ignorant to appreciate their smarter than the average bear qualities! What a joke.
You are the joke if you think you are fooling anyone.
7:36
Hilarious! Why would I be trying to fool anyone? I have no ties to local government in any way, and I'm not trying to hide or cover up "corruption" and incompetence.
It has to be frustrating to know that you guys have all the answers and nobody wants to hear them. Isn't it?
Could that be why your candidates were ALL defeated when they tried to gain elected positions? Let them run again; the same thing will happen. And THAT is the real joke.
We are waiting for you to run again and see if you are so smug then.
8:09
Who are the "we" you refer to who are waiting for me to run again? Surely, you aren't still confusing me with those select individuals (Mrs. Vanzant in particular) who currently hold elected positions in Giles County? If you are waiting for me to run for an elected office, you are in for a very long wait. I never have and probably never will, although I have been asked.
You know, I too am waiting. I'm waiting to see which horses you more enlightened people will run in the next election. Well, guess what? They will get beat badly again! We are not as ignorant and stupid here as you might think.
No one is waiting for you to run anywhere you just much a fraidy cat
I'm sure the only one who has asked you to run is whatever is in your mirror when you shave your underarms. I do have to give you one thing1:15 you are every bit as ignorant and stupid as I think. You have a nice day now.
2:44
Your above post proves that you shouldn't be calling anyone ignorant and stupid.
As I said, go ahead and run your best horses next election. They will be soundly defeated again. I recall during the last election that one of them made a statement that he hoped a certain individual came in last in his or her particular race. How ironic that the one who made the statement came in practically last in his own race. How frustrating that must be!
I think you are ignorant and stupid and should be ignored!
Nixon didn't win first time he ran. A few years later he won.
I didn't say Nixon was good or bad, so don't come back with that.
7:30
Ignore away by all means. But you can't ignore the fact that your horses can't win. Ouch!
5:55:00 PM
Have you ever ignored anything?
Got have the last word.
Can we get back to the issue at hand? Enough bickering about your personal feelings already!!
12:35
That's an excellent idea, but how can you get 2:44 to stop with the name-calling? I get tired of hearing about his or her personal feelings as well.
You would need to go to the courthouse and thump him off of his computer! That's how you would get him to stop.
Now my curiosity is piqued. Who is he at the courthouse you speak of?
Do you think we could get someone to put out a new subject titled "Squabblers"? Get back on subject please.
Now 4:16 I bet you have done your fair share of squabbling on this blog. Isn't being anonymous so grand?!
I just wanted to make a comment about Thanksgiving Day. Instead of all the spewing of hatred, playing gotcha, accusations, and name-calling, why don't we consider that we are ALL God's children and that, while some of us are not as smart or charismatic as others, are loved and do count in the scheme of things? Just something to consider.
hey 8:01 here's something positive for you. It's positively the truth without you no one else would look near as smart.
g...
No, without those like me who oppose people like you, this blog would be dead.
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