Business As Usual Or A New Day?
Committees were assigned for commissioners today in the First Legislative Meeting since the August election. The following committees and their members are as follows, the "C"; "VC"; and "Sec" identifies the Chairman, Vice-Chairman and Recording Secretary.
BUDGET:
Commissioners Flacy(C), Jackson, Adams, Reedy(Sec), Howell, Brown, Campbell(VC).
School:
Commissioner Reece(Sec), Pope(C), Carpenter(VC) Beech, Pollard, Faulkner, Harwell.
Highway:
Commissioners Cary(Sec), Pope(C), Risner(VC), Woodard, Pollard, Faulkner, Harwell.
Law Enforcement:
Commissioners Reece, Wilburn, Risner(VC), Beech, Holt(SEC), Brown, Campbell(C)
Public Service:
Commissioners Reece(C), Pope, Adams, Woodard, Howell(VC) Houston(SEC), Coleman
Enviromental:
Commissioners Cary, Wilburn(VC), Adams, Reedy, Holt, Faulkner(SEC), Campbell(C)
Ambulance/Rescue:
Commissioners Flacy(C), Jackson(VC), Carpenter, Woodard, Pollard, Brown(SEC), Coleman
Legislative:
Commissioners Reece(Sec), Wilburn, Carpenter, Beech, Howell(VC), Faulkner(C), Coleman
Building:
Commissioners Cary, Jackson(C), Risner, Beech(SEC), Pollard(VC), Houston, Harwell
Insurance:
Commissioners Cary(C), Jackson, Adams, Reedy, Holt(VC), Houston, Coleman(SEC)
Adult Orientation Board:
Commissioners Coleman, Flacy, Reedy, Wilburn and Private Citizen William Suddarth
Beer Board:
Commissioners Jackson(C), Howell, Adams, Houston, Campbell, Cary, Beech
Ethics:
Commissioners Flacy, Woodard, Holt, Harwell, and Trustee Joann Townsend
Each of these committees were presented in such a way that there could be no question that they were made up in private, in violation of County Policy and the State Open Meetings law.
BUDGET:
Commissioners Flacy(C), Jackson, Adams, Reedy(Sec), Howell, Brown, Campbell(VC).
School:
Commissioner Reece(Sec), Pope(C), Carpenter(VC) Beech, Pollard, Faulkner, Harwell.
Highway:
Commissioners Cary(Sec), Pope(C), Risner(VC), Woodard, Pollard, Faulkner, Harwell.
Law Enforcement:
Commissioners Reece, Wilburn, Risner(VC), Beech, Holt(SEC), Brown, Campbell(C)
Public Service:
Commissioners Reece(C), Pope, Adams, Woodard, Howell(VC) Houston(SEC), Coleman
Enviromental:
Commissioners Cary, Wilburn(VC), Adams, Reedy, Holt, Faulkner(SEC), Campbell(C)
Ambulance/Rescue:
Commissioners Flacy(C), Jackson(VC), Carpenter, Woodard, Pollard, Brown(SEC), Coleman
Legislative:
Commissioners Reece(Sec), Wilburn, Carpenter, Beech, Howell(VC), Faulkner(C), Coleman
Building:
Commissioners Cary, Jackson(C), Risner, Beech(SEC), Pollard(VC), Houston, Harwell
Insurance:
Commissioners Cary(C), Jackson, Adams, Reedy, Holt(VC), Houston, Coleman(SEC)
Adult Orientation Board:
Commissioners Coleman, Flacy, Reedy, Wilburn and Private Citizen William Suddarth
Beer Board:
Commissioners Jackson(C), Howell, Adams, Houston, Campbell, Cary, Beech
Ethics:
Commissioners Flacy, Woodard, Holt, Harwell, and Trustee Joann Townsend
Each of these committees were presented in such a way that there could be no question that they were made up in private, in violation of County Policy and the State Open Meetings law.
posted by Allen Barrett | 5:19 PM
76 Comments:
More sour grapes, I see.
He just wishes he was on one the committees. Not happening in our lifetime.
Where are the sour grapes? I for one appreciate Mr. Barrett telling us about these committees and what happens at meetings since they are all held at a time I can't attend and the paper comes out once a week and then it don't tell you much .
Why is William Suddath on the porno board?
I wouldn't expect the following from NBC news:
"Each of these committees were presented in such a way that there could be no question that they were made up in private, in violation of County Policy and the State Open Meetings law."
A bit over the top don't you think 7:48?
I wouldn't expect any objective reporting from NBC either.
What I do expect is for people who have sworn to uphold the laws of this state and country to follow them.
How would you suppose all these appointments could have been made without one single discussion or conflict.
Maybe Mr Barrett is right and you are only interested in being an enabler of evil. Your behavior toward Mr Barrett is very evil and your ignoring the law is very destructive. Someone asked earlier if you raised your children to have the same disregard for rules and laws why didn't you answer that question?
10:19
I'm the one barrett continues to lie about being an enabler of wrong. He is a liar each and every time he refers to me as one who promotes and condones wrongdoing.
Contrary to what you think, my behavior toward barrett's misbehavior is hardly evil. I believe he is quite mean and malicious toward those who either disagree with him or who stand in his way. I am one who takes issue with the way he operates, and I truly think I see him as he really is. It amazes me that he has any following at all. And it angers those few like you who continue to defend him.
But, in his defense, I will say this. I honestly think barrett is having mental problems and that he should be evaluated.
Allen Barrett is right when he says the committees were planned in advance at least the more important committees. I heard prior to Sept. 20 who some of the commissioners would be as chairs.
To 5:38 I haven’t lied about you are anyone else. A lie is something you tell knowing that it isn’t true. Everything I have said about you being an enabler of wrongdoing has been very well documented. I have posted example after example that shows why there is justification for calling you an enabler of wrongdoing. The problem is that you have puffed yourself up with so much self-righteous jealousy and hatred that you just can’t see reality, but that’s what happens to people who rely on their feelings instead of their brain to discern right from wrong. It’s as simple as because you like someone you see them as right in all things, because you dislike someone you see them as wrong in all things. Without any objective examination of their words and actions you will always be at an extreme disadvantage when dealing with people.
I haven’t asked anyone to believe me simply on the basis of me having said a thing; many times I have stated that what I write should be the stimulus for doing your own research and making your own decisions about things. I have not required anyone to do or believe anything; I simply offer a unique opportunity where you can get information and respond to it. The problem is that you and a couple of others object to the people having information and being able to think and act outside the limits you set so you try and disrupt by personally attacking me and anyone you perceive as supporting me, and by continually posting off topic with threats, lies and mean spirited accusations.
You can believe anything you want to about me it still won’t make it true. People who know me are not swayed by your ugly prejudice and lies. Even by your own admission you don’t know me, never had a conversation with me but you presume to know my relationship with God, for whom I pray, what motivates me in every action and even the status of my mental health. None of these are you qualified in, yet your arrogance wrongly dictates that you are God.
Not once, not one single time have you used any factual evidence to dispute things that I have written, instead you whine that I’m mean, insensitive, etc. I often wonder what would be your reaction to the things I have written if I had not taken responsibility for them and just signed as you do anonymous. I know what you have done with others you have disagreed with and signed as anonymous. You attacked them just as viciously and accused them of actually being me.
Throughout history people who have been involved have always generated strong feelings of resentment in those who sat on the sidelines wishing and daydreaming they could be part of the parade, that they could have been the one who told the Emperor that he was naked instead of modeling new clothes. You still could get off the sidelines but that would mean giving up the comfort of your anonymity and actually openly taking a principled stand, but that is where you draw the line. It’s easier for you to remain angry at those who seek to change the wrong than to stand up and oppose that wrong and that’s what makes you an enabler of wrongdoing instead of an upholder of what is right.
Allen Barrett
Bill Holt on the ethics committee ??
There's a laugh
Obz Erva
wab
You call me an enabler of wrong. I call you a liar. Got it? Just because I disagree with you and with your misbehavior doesn't make me wrong. Got it?
Your erroneous charge that I and a couple of others do not want people to have information is another of your lies. Are you not supposed to be a preacher? Right!
I do seriously believe you have mental problems and that you should seek professional help. I was being totally frank with you.
Is there anything wrong with commissioners knowing what they are going to do before they get to the meetings. I consider this to be a proactive move and one few times that these commissioners come prepared.
There are too many commissioners and for the most part, they do not do their homework.
7:29 Agree with you there are too many commissioners. Hoping the charter commissioners will change that.
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The charter commissioners can write up whatever they want. But we as Giles County citizens MUST defeat this thing at the voting booth.
More misinformation by the 6:13 poster. The Charter Commission is very limited in what they can propose for a Charter. The greatest fear is coming from the most irresponsible public figures who are terrified that they will lose their power to control, provide jobs for their family members and be required to be more accountable to the people of the county.
You got that right. I hope the citizens of this county realizes that the ones that are against change is the ones who are benefiting from the current way the government is being run as of today. The day is coming when their glory train is gonna derail. County employees, and that includes the County Officials who have a gravy train are the ones mostly opposing the Home Rule form of government. Home rule meaning the people will decide.
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The post at 3:59 was removed because it did not meet the requirements to discuss in a gentlemanly and civil manner, while referring to the facts and giving evidence to back up whatever claims are made, making logical arguments that avoid any use of fallacy.
I read the paper today in regards to Pierre Billard's commentary. In it he states that it is against state law to reduce the number of commissioners to 7. This is against state law. The minumum number of county commissioners is 9. This change should be pursued.
Your post is a little confusing to me. Are you saying you would like to see the local commission reduced to 9 and that should be pursued?
If you don't walk Janet's line she takes you off committies. Tommy Pollard was chairman of the Ethics committee and dd a good job but she took hin off and replaced him for this year. Wonder if that had anything to do with several not voting for her. If the truth was known I would be willing to say 18 on the commission did not support her because they have figured out what she is. A BIG LIAR. lET HER SIT UP THERE AND FACE THE COMMISSIONERS and wonder who they are. In case she has forgot she can be replaced as the chairman so let her chew on that for a while.
1:20
Have you been drinking barrett's Kool-Aid? You seem so angry and full of hate.
Look, Mrs. Vanzant knows who they are, so why are you trying to stir up trouble? Besides, is it not her prerogative tyo appoint whomever she wants?
Actually NO 7:05
I am sorry to confuse you, but yes. I am saying that the commission should be changed to 9!
So Janet knew Tommy wouldn't go along with her and Stoney so she demoted him.
7:32 Please contact the Charter Commission and recommend that. They are working on it now and the more people supporting 9 commissioners the more apt they are to listen. Thanks
Let the charter committee write up whatever they want. Our job is to inform as many voters as we can about the dangers of it and get it defeated at the voting booth.
Anybody want to take bets that the 3:18 post will disappear?
What are the dangers of it?
Why would Barrett be concerned with the ramblings of an insignificant fool 3:18?
Insignificant? Hardly so pal.
Again, what are the dangers of a charter form of gov't?
1:21
Let me answer your question by asking you one? Why does Giles County suddenly need a charter form of government?
7:15 I don't know about either form of gov't. How are they alike? How are they diff? What kinds of things affect each form of gov't, like population, average income, property values, etc. I am trying to learn about both and all I read are smart aleck answers on both sides but nothing tells me WHY a side feels like it does. Like 7:15 response, you definetely were looking for an arguement and were being defensive about changing. You may be right, but I've lived a long time and have found people who are that afraid of change generally have some kind of pay-off for keeping the system as is. You could have just as easily told me the dangers. Asking what the dangers are does not equal "I am for (or against) the charter form or the current form. It means, just what I asked, "What are the dangers?" I may be an old person, but I am willing to listen,learn, and hopefully make wise choices. The sarcastic self-righteous who post so similar to 7:15 automatically assume we are siding with that Mr. Barrett. That's a dangerous assumption, speaking for myself of course. Just asking a question is not implying we want to toss the current form, it means at least for me, I don't know the pros and cons of either. So 7:15 and other smart alecks who are so scared of anything that man Mr Barrett says, would you mind please giving an old person the truth about both forms of gov't. Then I believe I am smart enough to figure what I think is best regardless of what anybody else thinks and regardless of how clever either side thinks their snide comments are.
Appreciate any help regarding the facts.
Thank you,
Naomi Carroll
Naomi,
Please allow me to respectfully say to you that I (7:15) am not looking for an argument whatsoever. I just keep asking why Giles County all of a sudden needs a charter form of government. I'm not saying it would necessarily be bad, but it's just too important an issue for the citizens to blindly vote in favor of for the sake of change. Some changes can be detrimental.
Sometime ago, I suggested that some or all of the elected charter committe members take a trip over to Knox County to see for themselves how a charter has served the people there. I was ridiculed and called names for making that suggestion. That REALLY caused me to wonder about the people who are behind this and why they are pushing it. Why would they object to a little first-hand information? So, in the absence of that sort of information, I will vote against it until such time as someone proves to me that a charter is what's best for Giles County.
I have informally talked to a lot of people about the charter issue and am finding very few who speak in favor of it. Oh, we might say people are resistant to change, and that is simply human nature. But I really don't believe anyone would be against change that could benefit our county. Of course, people like allen barrett would suggest otherwise, but he is one of the leading proponents of charter home rule, and the fact that he is behind it troubles me greatly.
I will overlook the fact that you called me a smart aleck for voicing my opinion and concern. But I happen to love Giles County and do not want to see it visited buy a disaster this charter thing could well be. I promise you that I will be working to see it defeated if what I am hearing about it is true.
3:12 you are absolutely correct. I have friends in Knox County who strongly supported the charter effort there only to be sickened by the disaster and costs it dropped on the county. Just more bureaucracy like the financial management experiment we have embarked on here based on poor judgment. We need less government, not the more this charter stuff promises.
4:36
Yes, we need to mount a community-wide effort to see this thing defeated. It can easily become a disaster and a drain on taxpayers. It is my belief that the people behind this know they can't get elected to any public official jobs, so they are hoping this (a charter) can get people out of office whom they can't of themselves remove via the normal electoral process.
There's an ironic twist to this issue when it comes to those chiefly behind it here in Giles County. They claim to be conservatives and yet, a county charter would only make county government bigger and more bureaucratic. How can that lead to the betterment of Giles County?
3:12 In what way is a charter being pushed? My understanding is the charter commissioners write the charter then the citizens vote on it. I am not reading or hearing of any pushing. I do believe citizens are being aprised of what the charter folks are in process of writing.
To Naomi Carroll
In a nutshell, a charter form of government takes the State out of local affairs and puts local government more in the hands of the people. A charter cannot go against state law but many things can be changed that would benefit all of us in Giles county. All this depends upon what the charter commission includes in the Charter which will then be voted on August 2012. Giles county continues to operate under State General Law that was put into place when the county was founded in the early 1800's. Time for change anybody?
To 7:15, I called you a smart aleck in your previous post because rather than answer my question which you act like you know the answer to, you, in my opinion mind you, smugly made your statement about why do we suddenly need a change. Don't think this issue is a sudden one, but if I am wrong, I apologize. To someone who has lived as long as me, that sounded very much like a politician dodging a question. You still didn't answer my question though and I do understand that you are under no obligation to do so, but I would really like to know the reasons some consider it so dangerous. So far all I have been able to determine is that the ones that oppose it don't really know anything about it other than Mr. Barrett is for it. I don't see that a trip to Knox County would help. Anything that a body could learn from that expensive trip could be learned from public records, I would think. People would have their own viewpoints when they came back just as the ones that gave information would give their slant on how it was working if a delegation traveled over there. What I would like to know is the differences in the two forms. For instance, I know the difference in Democracy and Communism and Socialism, and a Monarchy. I don't know the difference in these two local types of gov't. Basically all I know from the side that is against it is that their only objection is that Mr Barrett is in favor of it. But I have asked on here and "on the street" and the ones opposed don't seem to have any more knowledge than me. The ones for it seem to know a little of what would change but not much and from what I gather, the new way would give the local gov't more "say so" in how things are handled. So if both sides could please take Allen Barett out of their decision making process and give an old woman a little more information, I would be most grateful. I still have enough sense about me to not let any one man control my way of thinking when it comes to the ballot box, whether it be my husband, brother, best friend or worst enemy. I, if you will excuse an old lady's bluntness,don't give a flip about what Mr. Barret thinks, or that one they call Rapid, or anyone else. I may agree with both of them on some things and others,not so much. As Joe Friday would say, back in the day, "Just the facts, ma'am. Just the facts."
Thank you so much,
Naomi Carroll
I suggest that everyone go to a Charter Commission meeting. Very interesting. It is a good thing and could make a big difference in our future government. I was't for it in the beginning, but after attending meetings it seems like some thing is going to hold peoples feet to the fire.
6:34
No, it is NOT time for a change that can be a detriment to our county. We don't need change simply for the sake of change. There is an old adage that says one can go from the frying pan into the fire. I don't think any of us want to see that happen.
Someone mentioned that charter government would free the county from state regulations and laws in some respect. Would that independence also stop some of the state funding our county is now getting? Could the state just say we are on our own now? I wonder.
Naomi
I accept your apology for the name-calling, but I would like to ask you a question. In light of the seriousness of the charter issue, how expensive could it be for four or five people to get in a car and drive over to knoxville to check it out? I just think this would be money well spent.
The writer at 4:36 on September 26 said practically the same thing I did sometime back about how the charter has affected Knox County. When I made mention that I had some distrubing information on how the charter was working in Knox County, allen barrett and his loyal supporters called me a liar and attacked my intelligence and motives. But it didn't change the facts of the matter.
This is a serious situation, and I am persuaded that those behind it have their own selfish agendas at heart. Furthermore, we can't aqfford to pass something that could turn out to be one of our worst regtrets ever. It's worth a trip to Knoxville.
I'm wondering if the 4:36 post will somehow disappear off this blog? I'll be watching.
6:25 What's wrong with that post, it just stated why they didn't think Giles County needed the charter and I really think that post was yours.
Get a life and get over WAB.
10:56
Yes, it was my post. I just asked a question.
Sept 26 @ 6:34, Thank you for your straight-forward answer. I am grateful.
Naomi Carroll
Sept 27th, 6:23 You keep harping about the trouble a charter has caused Knoxville. Only 'trouble' they have had is a couple of former commissioners opposed term limits and took it to court. Court ruled in favor of the charter law. Disgruntled ex-commissioners lost. Giles county's charter commissioners have those reports in hand. As someone else has posted "this charter could hold some people's feet to the fire" and thats why it can be a good thing.
7:24
There's much much more to it than that, and you know it. I mentioned something about what I heard straight from a VERY reliable source over there, and barrett and followers crucified and called me all sorts of names for that. Then you say the problem over there was with only a couple of unhappy commissioners. Should voters assume that your report more reliable than mine? I don't think so!
Question. Was it not allen barrett who got all this mess started about a home charter for Giles County? if so, is it possible that the agenda is to get people out of office whom he and those like him cannot run against in a normal election and defeat? I just hope Giles Countians will remember this when it comes time to vote it down. I for one will do my part.
6:15 You mean you told why Knox County had trouble with the charter? I missed that post. I've never read a post where you really told a reason.
How about telling again what you heard from a reliable source.
Barrett probably thought he heard from a reliable source. When both sources had a different opion like you an Barrett.
I don't know a thing about Knox County and their charter. In fact I hadn't paid much attention to the charter talk because it never would happen in Giles County.
I would like to know why Knox County is unhappy beside a few unhappy Commissioners.
615 I guess you mean a "normal election process" that includes a ballot with obvious errors?
Just look up Knox County Tennessee and read the information stated by
Wikipedia, about the history of the Charter Movement and the problem caused by more than a dozen years of commissioners ignoring the law.
6:15 is being more than disingenuous in his post.
I never said the Charter Commissioners should not go to Knox County but stated that it was unnecessary for the expense to physically go there when they could easily set up a conference call, or even skype a meeting.
My reaction to the second hand information from a "reliable but unnamed source" was to call and speak with some of the commissioners and and County Mayor there. They each supported the idea that there was no problems after the commission complied with the law and that was several years ago.
When I reported that information and asked the 6:15 to call and do the same as I had he had his usual hiss fit of denial and personal attacks.
While "Home Rule" is not the answer to everything it could certainly help solve many problems and could give citizens more control over local government. Some things that hopefully will be included in the Charter when it is finished, is such things as citizens being allowed to vote on property tax increases, term limits
for some officials. No one can be removed from office if limits were approved they would reach the limit and just not be allowed to run again until the next election. There is no authority in existence or precedent that would or has allowed the state to withhold any funds from a county because they choose "Home Rule".
The problem is some like 6:15 oppose a County Charter before it is even written. Back before the Charter Commissioners were even elected 6:15 or someone like him did a number of posts about how harmful the Charter was and not the first word had even been written.
Many opportunities for advancement of Giles County are lost because some are more determined to hold on to their perceived power and authority at the expense of the county. If you have objections to "Home Rule" state them and debate the benefits and drawbacks instead of just making blanket and unfounded statements about how bad it is without stating any specifics, and indeed before there are any specifics to even discuss.
One truth 6:15 was clear about is the same as he has vaguely expressed before; the simple fact that if I am for something he is against it not because of any intellectual disagreement but because he simply doesn't like me.
I have no doubt were I to endorse breathing 6:15 would claim it was detrimental to one's health.
When the Charter is completed then intelligent people will make up their minds about it. There may be something included that I can't support but until that time isn't it reasonable to at least hold back judgement until there is something to judge? I with others worked hard to get the information and required signatures of citizens so the OPPORTUNITY to make some improvements could be had. From the beginning the County Executive, Commissioner Campbell and some other commissioners and office holders formed an opposition against "Home Rule". You may remember the sign Commissioner Campbell placed in the Courthouse Rotunda, "NO! ON COUNTY CHARTER Your County Has Existed For 200 Years On General Law"
With that attitude wonder how we ever got away from the horse and into the automobile? Same people are willing to use a cell phone instead of a rotary dial or party line but they want the County Government to continue operating as they did 200 years ago, guess they like the look of the wooly wigs.
Allen Barrett
Mr. Barrett, Good post.
wab
I can promise you this much. I will work diligently to see the charter proposal defeated. You can count on that. We got along just fine without it, and we can continue to do so.
You guys can't get elected to an office, and I honestly think you see this as a way to clear the way for that impossibility to occur.
Everyone has a 4 year term limit. You don't like them, vote them out. If they are doing a good job and get reelected, then so be it. The majority should rule.
The Charter is just a gimmick by a very vocal but very small minority to achieve power they cannot secure at the ballot box. Don't be fooled.
5:43
You are EXACTLY right about this very small vocal minority who is behind this charter issue. They cannot get elected to a dogcatcher's position, and that is precisely why they want to see term limits for those who have what it takes to get re-elected time and again when they themselves can't get to first base at the ballot box. Doesn't allen barrett's second resounding defeat prove that?
Our job is to educate as many Giles Countians about the charter issue and see it go down to defeat before it's too late. We do not need it. The only ones who do are the same ones who are pushing it, and you and I both know why they are doing that.
Excellent post.
Did I read where over a thousand registered voters signed the petition to get the issue approved. Is over a thousand voters a small vocal minority?
10:19
You miss the point entirely. No, it's a very very small but vocal minority who are pushing this mess. I have heard how those people sat up in the courthouse obtaining signatures. I had a lady tell me that they asked her to sign it and got mad at her when she refused. And, you know what? A LOT of those who signed did so just to be nice and others for whatever reasons. But the fact remains that it IS a small vocal minority behind this, and many of us know why. Those people passed this off like obama did during his campaign. They cried "It's time for change", and people fell right in there to sign it. We will have two years to educate them.
To 30 Sept. 6:56
You are very wrong about how the signatures were obtained and I challenge you to name one person who is willing to publicly state they were intimidated into signing are that anyone showed any anger toward them if they chose not to sign.
Most people were very eager to sign especially after it was explained what the Charter was all about. It was not and is not about change for change sake but an opportunity for taxpayers to have a say in how much they are taxed and how that tax money is spent. One of the main hopes for the Charter Commissioners is to include the requirement that any property tax increase must be approved by the voters.
You have and continue to try and discredit the Charter and it doesn't even exist yet. Your campaign of misinformation is more transparent than the windows at Reeves Drug Store.
If you would simply wait until after the Charter is written or even if you would attend some meetings of the Charter Commission your criticisms might have more credibility but at the moment you are attacking a non-existent entity but that seems to be more your style than addressing the real issues that our county and people face.
Must be a small group against the charter. Haven't seen any of them with the courage to write a letter in the paper against the charter where they have to sign their name.
wab
No, you are the one who is very wrong about that. Oh, I could name a few, but you wopuld only call me a liar. Let's just wait a little further down the road before we come out against this charter issue. Ok?
Here's a little advice for you. If you are truly interested in seeing a charter enacted in Giles County, I believe the best thing for you to do is to notcome out in support of it. I believe a lot of people will be against it if they know you are in favor of it. Think.
To 1:45
"Let's just wait a little further down the road before we come out against this charter issue. Ok?"
That has to be one of the most hypocritical statements you've ever made on this blog. With all the statements you've made against the Charter to say "wait a little before "we" come out against the charter" is so laughable and you tell me to think?????? Makes one wonder if you understand what "think" means, it's obvious that you have very little experience with the concept.
wab
You are a true example of one who strains at a gnat and swallows a camel. Must you be so misguided all the time?
I believe I was referring to the fact that we will wait a little further down thr road before we come out big time against the charter.
3:38
If only everyone could be so gifted as to know what you mean without relying on the words you use. Unfortunately I have to rely on words to communicate and when you use inadequate words there will be inadequate understanding, so while you may be clairvoyant and have no problem understanding yourself others simply see you as just unable to communicate on an adult level.
wab
No, your inadequate understanding is par for the course for you and has nothing to do with my words. In the past several months, I have tried repeatedly to clear up some of them for you, but you continue to come up short. Unfortunately, that speaks to the intelligence you seem to think you have and yet, your comprehension skills betray you.
Sorry 5:42 Barrett wins on this one. You said " Let's just wait a little further down the road before we come out against this charter issue. Ok?"
then when he called you on it you said, "I believe I was referring to the fact that we will wait a little further down thr road before we come out big time against the charter." which has a totally different meaning. Even you seem unsure of what you mean when you said I believe I was referring to..."
No matter how dumb or smart Barrett may be you just don't make yourself very clear in your postings and that is no one's fault but your own.
I thought he was very clear. While many oppose the Charter, no one has come out against it yet.
Trust me. That will happen.
r gordon
What is your point? Let's wait a little farther down the road and see what happens. What's wrong with that statement? You had better believe the big guns will come out against the charter a little farther down the road as well. You seem to want to suggest an incongruency where one doesn't exist. Or, are you just wanting to split hair for the sake of being argumentative? Either way, when the time is right, we shall know (a little farther down the road) what is contained in the charter and the opposition will also mount...a little farther down the road.
You have been agaisnt the charter since before it was even on a possibility. You were posting against it making all sorts of claims that could not be supported and now you say wait before coming out against it. You foolish hypocrite. People have been telling you to wait for months until at least they had sometime to be against but you in your stupidity couldn't wait but now try to make people thnk you are a mountain of patience, when in fact you are a mountain of refuse.
8:50
I refuse to accept your characterization of me as a mountain of refuse. And your calling me a hypocrite is so hypocritical. Do you have anything else?
Yes, make no mistake about it. I have been against this charter thing since barrett and his buddies got all this mess started. I think pretty much anything he and his little group are behind is reason for concern. And then, having spoken personally with some people in another county I shall not name, I became quite alarmed about the issue. We don't need it, and I'm persuaded that most ordinary people will vote aqgainst it. I'll do my part in making sure that happens.
Now, you can call me names, and that's ok. I don't need your approval of what I believe or do. And just because someone doesn't agree with you guys doesn't make that person ignorant, inbred, or an enabler of wrong.
It was your denial of being against the charter and telling people to wait and see before making up "our" minds that was so hypocritical 6:22
7:09
Who said I denied being against the charter? Those were not my words. I said let's just wait and see what happens down the road before a lot of us start coming out against it. Don't think we aren't working toward that end just as some are working to get it passed. Why are you splitting hair over that?
4:19
This is the entire statement you made
"wab
No, you are the one who is very wrong about that. Oh, I could name a few, but you wopuld only call me a liar. Here's a little advice for you. If you are truly interested in seeing a charter enacted in Giles County, I believe the best thing for you to do is to notcome out in support of it. I believe a lot of people will be against it if they know you are in favor of it. Think.
Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:45:00 PM"
It's not a matter of splitting hairs as you claim it's a matter of talking straight and standing by your words, so far you have done neither. You make many claims about what you could do and what you could prove and what you could provide but you never do any of those things just empty promises. If you don't want the Charter, which is obvious to anyone who has read anything you have written about it, that's fine just don't be so disingenuous about it. You do not have an open mind about this issue and you have supplied false negative information to support your position. You have displayed a great deal of dishonesty in your attacks against the unwritten Charter and against me personally.
wab
I must again respectfully (sic) call you a liar. I am quite genuine and sincere about what I believe and about what I have posted. The problem you have with me is that my thoughts and opinions are not aligned with yours.
Why is it that you view any disagreements anyone has with you as attacks? If so, then you have been attacking Mrs. Vanzant, Mrs. Garner, and many others for quite awhile. Would you agree with me on that?
To 7 Nov 8:15
Sorry but you have shown no one any respect on this blog especially me.
I have no problem with your "genuine and sincere" beliefs or posts and contrary to your misunderstanding about my "problems" they are not with your beliefs but with your supportive
evidence for those belief, especially those involving me.
As I and a number of others have requested numerous times if you want your ideas to be taken seriously then you must give some reasons for those ideas and support for them other than your simple "feelings" or your self determined "I must be right because I thought it". You have so little faith in your own postings that you'll not even put your name on them.
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