When Is A Meeting Not A Meeting?
At the Legislative Meeting this morning it was announced by the County Executive that there had been in recent days a meeting in the Annex. about the resolution recommending the County opt out of the State required home inspections. In this meeting were some people from Financial Management, at least one Commissioner, the County Executive and a representative from the state. Immediately after stating this meeting had taken place she corrected herself and stated it was not a meeting, it was just a gathering of individuals.
Well, according to state law it was a meeting and it was held in direct violation of the state open meetings law.
T.C.A. 8-44-102 states that "all meetings of any governing body are declared to be public meetings". Governing body is defined in the statute as "any public body consisting of two or more members, with the authority to make decisions for or recommendations to a public body on policy or administration". "It is not necessary that a decision be reached before the sunshine law applies."
The statute "warns" that chance meetings shall not be used to deliberate public business in circumvention of the spirit of the act."
To simplify this entry the County Executive did instigate and take part in yet another violation of state law.
Well, according to state law it was a meeting and it was held in direct violation of the state open meetings law.
T.C.A. 8-44-102 states that "all meetings of any governing body are declared to be public meetings". Governing body is defined in the statute as "any public body consisting of two or more members, with the authority to make decisions for or recommendations to a public body on policy or administration". "It is not necessary that a decision be reached before the sunshine law applies."
The statute "warns" that chance meetings shall not be used to deliberate public business in circumvention of the spirit of the act."
To simplify this entry the County Executive did instigate and take part in yet another violation of state law.
posted by Allen Barrett | 8:38 PM
206 Comments:
wab
For Christ's sakes, will you ever shut your whining mouth? What difference does it make if you call it a gathering or a meeting?
Oh, I suppose you'll say you are doing this for the betterment of Giles County. Right!
You really ought to get a job or find a hobby.
wab
Just more sour grapes. You are absolutely pathetic.
Great 6:05 violating state law is a crime are is state law just something
a troublemaker made up and you're trying to prevent trouble making?
Has enabling evil become an acceptable activity now?
As 7:25 states this is a violation of state law. To have the County Executive and some commissioners ignore it is very telling about their attitude toward other state laws.
If elected officials can't be trusted to follow the law how can they be trusted to do the right thing in other areas of their duties?
More sour grapes I see. Are jealousy and resentment things that deserve trust?
Thanks for keeping us informed Mr. Barrett. Your diligence is much appreciated. I can't wait to run for office in 2014.
7:25
A word of caution. Don't tell anybody that allen barrett is supporting you.
It is really sad that so many people have no respect for laws. They are so open about it they criticize Mr. Barrett for pointing it out to the public. Many crooks in the woodwork. Thanks Mr. Barrett for all you are doing for the county, inspite of all the crooks wanting you to shut up. Maybe many are afraid of what you might uncover. I sure wish you were in my district, you would have had my vote. Keep up the good work. THANKS AND GOD BLESS.
8:12
I happen to be one of those people you so eagerly call a crook. That is a total falsehood, and I am not afraid of anything the promoter of strife might turn up. You seem to have bought into the same distrustful paranoia. I think it's really sad that you encourage his troublemaking.
to 8:12
I say God bless the victims of the malicious and spiteful attacks.
Isn't it interesting that no one has said the law wasn't broken by this un-meeting and given the reason why it wasn't broken. Thanks WAB you are appreciated.
Appreciated for what...trying to stir up needless trouble?
For not being an enabler of evil 3:04
3:25
Nope. There is and never was an enabler of evil that I am aware of. But what about a promoter of strife?
"But what about a promoter of strife?"
Yeah I suppose you could call yourself that too. But I do think "Enabler of all DISGUSTING and LOATHSOME EVIL" fit's you much better! HA HA!
Right, 5:04. Ignore the law, that's a much better plan. Just because Mr. B reported, doesn't make it any less a valid law. It's sad that you and so many others think nothing of either becoming lawbreakers or at least aiding and abetting those who do break the law, just because you want to make Mr. Barret the bad guy and you are obsessed with that objective. You are right, however. Mr. Barrett should not have reported this. It should have been common knowledge and blown our current county gov't apart a while ago. It's not stirring up trouble to report a crime regardless of the person who reports it. Facts are facts and laws are laws. But you plainly stating in your post(s) that this criminal activity should NOT have been reported is what gives you the well deserved name of "enabler of evil". That is also a fact, Rabid. Not much wiggle room at all.
I am not the Enabler of Evil.(But I do play one on TV)
That was a lie started by someone who should know better.(how am I doin so far?)
I am just the sweetest and most lovable human being on the planet, and I absolutely never go around starting trouble. I am just so afraid that someone is going to be hurt by something that WAB has said in his post, or cause some deranged person (like myself) to go postal on someone he's reported on. I want WAB to stop all this trouble making and blogging, and start paying me some attention. I see him everyday, and secretly desire his love and devotion.
And the brute doesn't even know I exist. BOO HOO.
Signed,
The Enabler of Love.
5:59
There is and never was an enabler of evil. That is a lie that was started by none other than allen barrett. He knows it and, rather than apologize, allows it to be promoted by his faithful few.
You don apologize for something you believe.
5:59 good post.
9:28
Nor will I stop pointing out the bald-faced lie he told about me.
"Meeting" or "gathering" - what bothers me is that the County Executive's comment wasn't reported by our news outlets. Their lead from the meeting was controversy over a proposed new meeting time. Any news gatherer worth their salt would've picked up on the comment and INVESTIGATED to see if there had been a violation of the Sunshine Law. But that would require some digging - not just sitting on one's lazy behind trolling other news outlet's websites. I think these secret meetings are probably pervasive throughout both city and county government. It's the MEDIA's job the shine the light of truth and discovery in dark, dirty corners. In the absence of that.......well, you have this blog. It's a shame, but it's better than nothing.
If this meeting had been so 'secretive", why is it that those present didn't know it was a clandestine operation? How did those who are always trying to find fault know to be there? Oh pleeeeease.
I have tried to refrain from commenting after posting threads as it seems no matter what I say it's wrong in the eyes of the "enabler of wrongdoing" and it gives him opportunity to alter the subject of the thread.
The post of 20 Jan. 7:23PM is cause for reconsideration.
The poster stated, "There is and never was an enabler of evil. That is a lie that was started by none other than allen barrett."
First of all I have not referred to this person as an enabler of "evil" only as an "enabler of "wrongdoing". To me there is a considerable difference in wrongdoing and evil. Evil is morally reprehensible and sinful.
Wrongdoing is simply misbehaving or acting badly.
By not having referred to the "enabler of wrongdoing" as an "enabler of evil" that person is discredited in their claim that I started the lie about him being an "enabler of evil". I will take credit for referring to him as an "enabler of wrongdoing" whether I was the first to do so or not I don't know, I can imagine that others who have had dealings with him in past time may have referred to him in the same manner.
Secondly for me to have lied in referring to him as an "enabler of wrongdoing" would have required that the statement be untrue. It is not untrue for the following reasons. 1. The person I termed an "enabler of wrongdoing" has defended bad and illegal behavior in comments on this blog. They even criticized on this thread
the fact that it was made public that the County Executive violated the state open meetings law. They have supported politicians that have been exposed as liars. They have defended some caught in DUI situations by criticizing those who condemned such behavior. They defended the lies and misconduct involved in the beer distance fiasco. They defended the misbehavior of those involved in the August election that were exposed as having acted in less than honorable and legal ways. There are many other instances where this person has defended and supported wrongdoing by seeking to keep it covered up and secret. I have listed many of these efforts in other threads.
So the bottom line is 7:23 is at best mistaken and at worst a plain out and out liar himself because I have not referred to him as an "enabler of evil" as he claims nor have I referred to him with any comment that was not true.
I have NEVER agreed with Barrett on any issue, but he is right on this one. It was illegal and we should note that "dirty dealing" does go on with some of our most HONEST elected officials. This is not right no matter who reports it to the public. SUNSHINE LAWS are to be followed in all dealings.
8:50 AM Excellent post!
To Allen Barrett and the so named Enabler - please drop this subject. Can see how Barrett would get upset enough to respond to the accusations and no one is interested in The Enable posts, so could we please move on.
wab
Then why don't you refrain from telling the lie that I enable wrongdoing? All I ask is that you stop promoting strife in this county. I believe that you alone have that power.
It's perfectly ok for us to talk about issues and even agree to disagree without being disagreeable, but the name-calling and attacks need to stop. Similarly, why can't you post threads that people can discuss in a civil manner without all the fuss?
While you are engaging yourself in semantics over definitions of evil and wrongdoings, I would submit to you that the words are pretty much synonymous. If I were promoting wrong then I would also be guilty of promoting evil. However, I believe the real evil is the sowing of discord, hate, and divisiveness. Would you agree?
Perhaps you didn't call me an enabler of evil, but the lie you told about my going along with and even enabling wrong is just plain deceitful. I happen to want what's best for our county and am persuaded that calling people names and attacking them at every hand is not productive. How does that better Giles County?
to Mr. Barrett and whoever 11:16 AM might be:
Dispite to two of you gping after eachother, sniping at eachother and disagreeing with eachother; that does not alter or reduce in severity what went on with the County Executive and a group of hired and elected officials. Common sense dictates that a County official when discussing a subject with another person (elected or not) constitutes a "meeting". There are also times when a public announcement of such gatherings is either not necessary or impractical. Yes I do believe that our past and current elected officials do gather to discuss and decide what courses of action are to be taken and how they will vote or proceed in the future. But, I also believe that is is appropriate for officials to gather and discuss various subjects that may or will affect Giles County. The sunshine law applies to gatherings of public officials when during that meeting decisions, expenditure of funds and/or courses of action are voted on.
Has Mrs. Vanzant violated the Sunshine Law in the past? I truly believe the answer is "YES". Is Mrs. Vanzant permitted and expected to have meetings with other County, State or Federal officials; without announcing said meetings? Again I say the answer is "YES".
Do we, the citizens of Giles County have a duty to watch and become informed regarding the actions of our officials? The answer is again "YES". Do most citizens not give a damn? Perfer not to get involved? Not seek out answers and ask poinent questions? "YES" "YES" "YES". Most of our neighbors prefer to stay at home and dream that all is well with the world. Just look at past numbers of people who get out and vote! The numbers are miserable.
Let us move on and discuss real issues regarding Giles County; such as:
What effect does the Commission vote on State mandated construction codes have on Giles County?
Will Giles County run out of reserve funds this coming June? If we do, what alternative is there to reduce spending or increase revenues?
Let us spend our collective efforts asking and answering such questions rather than harping about the County Executive meeting with other persons.
If you read page 229 of the CTAS Manuel it tells about the State Open Meetings Law covered by T.C.A 8-44-101 thru 105.
The statute declares that a meeting occurs whenever a public body convenes, that is two or more members of that body, for two purposes 1. To make a decision and 2. To deliberate toward a decision. Therefore, it is not necessary that a decision be reached before the Sunshine Law applies. However the same statute goes on to warn that chance meetings shall not be used to deliberate public business in circumvention of the spirit of the act. Courts have held that informal assemblages of a governing body at which public business is discussed and deliberated, including informal telephone discussions between members of a governing body, fall under the Sunshine Law.
To 11:50 many of the topics are offered by readers and I would welcome any topic you might offer.
I wish I had control to prevent topics being high-jacked by those uninterested in a mature discussion of factual information and legitimate concerns.
11:50 - FANTASTIC POST.......one of the most intelligent I've seen on this blog EVER!
11:50
Yes, yours was an excellent post, and I agree with your thinking. It's unfortunate that a few unhappy individuals insist on trying to stir up needless trouble. And, as for threads for discussion, why can't there be topics that deal with good things going on in Giles County, how to improve our schools, how to support efforts to decrease drug abuse, and so on? I believe this could be accomplished without calling people names or attacking them.
Let's pray for peace and an end to this troublemaking. In spite of things that are not perfect, we have a wonderful place to live. God bless our county. Amen?
How about a thread that deals with acts of kindness and benevolence that is commonplace in Giles County?
There always have been and always be meeting with one or two to decide what we are going to do before the main meeting. That's called getting help for the way you want a vote to go. That don't happen in just government.
Let's argue about something important....Yahoo posted two pictures of Obama on it's web page!! One has Obama with grey in his hair and one where it didn't!!! Big question...Does Obama dye his hair or not!!???? Now be nice...no name calling!!! This is the hot topic of the day...
Who cares if Obama dyes his hair.
What about a thread on the JFK or MLK assassinations? What about alternatives to fossil fuels, global warming, futures problems with drinking water, etc?
What about a thread on local hometown heroes who do great things? how about benevolence and love for our fellow man? Those sound interesting, wouldn't you thinki?
Good thought 8:51.Do you suppose he dyes his face and that is why he won't produce a birth cirtificate? Finally some humor on here instead of hate.
Would it not make a big difference if there was more than one member of the commission or not. It is not sunshine law if one member of commission, the County Mayor and someone from the state. It has to be two commissioners.
8:27-I find no humor at all in the Obama comment. This again shows the mentality of so many in this area.
I am a conservative, and I agree that the Obama comments were so distasteful. Such inflammatory remarks should not be allowed here.
Why can't we talk about things that don't involve name-calling, sour grapes, and troublemaking? You know, there's a lot of good going on, and there's no need to constantly try to belittle elected officials we may resent for some reason. Perhaps you lost your election bid or your candidate did, but the fact is, those elected are there and are being held accountable. So let it go for Christ's sakes and talk about something positive.
May God bless us all.
7:31 am Please elaborate how you think our elected officials are being held accountable and by whom? Fact is, they are not, other than by WAB.
10:39
They are largely held accountable by laws, a sense of duty to their fellow man, and by an ethical code of conduct. Did I say they are all perfect human beings? Of course not. However, they are not the evil crooks a few discontented people try to say they are. Isn't it ironic how those who always look for fault in others can't see or accept it in themselves?
to 10:39
Well, who held them accountable before barrett?
They held eachother accountable.
Isn't that good enough?
When did Barrett become savior of all and God of Giles County? You are giving him far too much credit. Let it GO!!
5:00
A legend in his own mind. What a laugh.
When has anything meant anything to anybody except for a choice few and then they are labeled trouble makers. So I've finally learned that everyone can stick where the sun don't shine and I don't care either. This county is becoming like something out of a horror movie. Everyone is a Zombie going through business at hand and watching everything detereate.
5:33
Here's a different slant on what you might call the deterioration of Giles County. I think our county has become a laughing stock because of those few troublemakers who find fault with everyone and everything other than with themselves. And the sad thing is that they seem determined to keep it up.
Question:
How is Giles County any more deteriorated than surrounding counties? The fact of the matter is that it's not.
Let's pray for peace and unity. That just might make our county shine like a beacon to the others.
5:33
If you're not happy here then leave. That's what I would do. We will get along just fine without you.
Amazing that the answer to improving the county is "if you don't like it move". Why isn't there a desire to improve those things that are wrong?
Guess some are just so comfortable in their complacent laziness they would rather see others leave the county than fix the problems. If all the produces leave what will the lazy do ?
6:05 Looks like instead of being satisfied to only be as deteriorated as surrounding counties you would be interested in making your home better than surrounding counties but then that's the liberal in you make everything equal except the work.
My new years wish--
For certain words & phrases on this blog to appear blank so the subject wouldn't be hijacked by this Rabid in their self appointed writer of the truth according to them...
"strife-enabler-enabler of evil,spewing,spew,soup grapes,wrongdoing," and when responding to a question one should not be able to reply--"why don't you go ask Vanzant or a Commissioner?".......is that the only "non-answer" you can think of when pressed with facts?
pleeeeaaaseeee~
You know I just bet the Indians that lived here when the white man came said "If you don't like it you can leave!" I guess that it was lucky for some of us that the new folks on the block were a bit tenacious and held on. Or most of would not be here to argue about who should go and who should stay.
Melanie
3:14 Great post!
I believe it would be a vast improvement for Giles County if some of the troublemakers would leave.
good bye enabler, hope you like your new home.
4:34 Got a good laugh.
There is no enabler. That is a lie that was started by one who ought to know better than to be telling lies.
You keep saying there is no enabler but you continue to prove there is and you're it. Why not just tell why you're not an enabler instead of repeating the same thing over and over, maybe someone would believe you if you gave a reason you're not it.
There is no enabler. Can't you guys stop with the name-calling? If you would, I'll stop referring to it as a lie. Fair enough?
Children's game, Your first.
This is no forum for discussion. I suggest either scrapping this blog or making it one that requires a log in name with the name posted. The silliness has gotten way out of hand. Civil discussions have long been a thing of the past. What is its present use? Can someone give a reasonable answer with calling someone a name? I'm listening.
Walter Reed
Walter
I agree with you that this blog should be shut down unless these people can stop calling names anytime someone disagrees with them. However, to require actual identities would be, in my opinion, a mistake.
What is this blog's present use? That is a good question. I believe it exists to it serve the interests of a few umhappy people who find fault with everything and everyone other than with themselves.
Great idea enabler shut down the blog and you enable the evil you deny you're a part of.
Have you ever read anything on this blog that was informative? According to your comments you have complained about everything including the one about Christmas.
6:09 I agree with Walter about a blog requiring people to log in with name. Let's face it, the reason you don't want a blog that requires identity is because you wouldn't be able to reveal yourself and the blog could go on very happily without you.
If you don't like the blog, why do you read it?
There is no enabler. That was a lie started by one who ought not be telling lies.
When that lie stops i will do the same.
Hey Enabler of EVIL.
When are you moving?
Need any help?
I'll even help you pack and load your house full of cheap junk if it gets you out of here quicker!
Heck, I'll bet there are some on this blog who'll even help unpack and show you to the nearest welfare office in your new home town.
Just say the word sweetie!
There is no enabler. That was a lie started by one who ought to know better than to tell lies.
I happen to think lying and stirring up needless trouble are evil.
I've been reading these blogs for a long time, hoping someone will tell why Barrett is wrong. I don't know if it is or not, but think it must be correct when no one tells why it's not.
I read, I heard something or I think something. To me that's gossip. Or they post things about Barrett because he told us what is going on.
If no one can tell us why what Barrett says is false, it must be true.
8:29
Actually, there have been few occasions wherein barrett was flat out wrong about an issue. Even more rare are those wherein he was wrong and refused to admit it or to apologize when appropriate. It's not a question of whether someone can prove him wrong on issues. The problem with him lies in his arrogant manner of presenting things and the way he treats those who disagree with him.
So, in short, barrett is on target with most issues, but his bedside manners are why people dislike him. That's the problem I have with him.
Barrett may be arrogant and have a bad bedside manner, but so do you.
6:23
He does, and I don't. You just don't like it because I point it out.
I for one would like to know who appointed you to judge anyone and try to make them do what you think is right. You are always quoting the Bible to everyone, I think you need to do a little more reading before you try to condemn anyone. Especially for something you do yourself.
Barrett has a lot of confidence but I have not seen any arrogance. The arrogance of the enabler is seen in their condemnation of others because they are different are see things different. What makes Barrett confident instead of arrogant is simply a matter of saying what he believes then leaving it up to others as to what they believe about what he said.
I have yet to read anything on here where Barrett is condemning anyone on the other hand the enabler continually writes in a condemning way.
Friday, January 21, 2011 5:58:00 PM
Says:
After watching Obama's Speech last night....he definitely did not have his hair dyed black. This is for those of you you didn't take the time to watch and I know were really concerned!!
Now let's all get back to the name-calling and back-stabbing...sorry for the interuption~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As this topic has been changed to WAB's personaility and Obama's hair color, I would like to add another one from left field: did anyone read the Whitt Miller/Vickie Harwell column in the paper praising the need for newspapers over electronic reading. Vickie must have been reading on WABs blog how many people dont plan to renew their paper because the paper aint being straight with people about who she is.
Mr. Barrett:
Upon reflection ... one must have an open mind when invoking the Tennessee State Sunshine Law. As I perceive your stance on this subject, and please correct me if I am mistaken. You are of the opinion that when any two or more Giles County officials (especially elected officials) gather for whatever reason they must announce that gathering (aka meeting) openly to the public who will have the option to attend. If this is your stance then I suggest you explain your position to Toby and Connie Howell who are both elected officials of Giles County. They both do meet on a regular basis. They are both elected. They both are in positions to make decisions, to deliberate towards a decision and make recommendations to governing bodies.
So …………………… when Mr. and Mrs. Howell get together they have to basically invite the general public. I guess this can be cured if they have separate bedrooms.
Just give this some thought.
3:50 Now this p....d me off! Connie Howell is an elected County Commission and is in a position to vote on setting policy. Toby Howell is an elected Charter Commissioner which is an unpaid temporary position and the charter commissioners DO NOT SET POLICY. Their task is to write a proposed county charter, a document which will be VOTED ON BY THE CITIZENS in 2012. The decisions the charter commissioners deliberate on are in meetings between CHARTER COMMISSIONERS and not County Commissioners.
Get your facts straight before you post.
I am not Mr Barrett but bet you might be Vickie.
There is no enabler. That is a lie that was started by one who ought to know better than telling lies.
To Wed 3-50 PM
Did you forget to take your medicine this morning ? It's showing, so pls go take it soon .
Thank goodness somebody else has already (at 4-01 PM ) tried to explain to you the difference between an elected county commissioner and a charter commissioner.
What you need to do now is go find a LARGE chalkboard and write on it 100 times ..."I understand now a county commissioner is different from a charter commissioner "
Maybe by the 99th time the simple message will have sunk in ?
If not , just go stand outside all night and wait for the cure .
Djelli Belli
3:30 PM Giles county charter commissioners dont make recommendations to governing bodies. They are working for the people only and not being paid for the time they put in.
To 3:50 Please understand that it is not my stance but the stance of the State General Assembly, the State Supreme Court along with the State Attorney General.
A reading of Tennessee Code Annotated 8-44-101 thru 8-44-105; Tennessee Attorney General opinion 88-132 (29 July 1988)and Tenn. Atty. Gen. Opinion 88-169 (19 Sept. 1988)will give a very clear meaning to the term and intent of the Open Meetings Law.
Wrong again Barrett. It has to be two or more voting members of the same decision-making body and they must deliberate a public policy.
10:20 Thanks for telling why you think Barrett is wrong. You may be right or Barrett maybe right, but at least you said something beside against Barrett.
11:15
You need to understand that there's more than one person who doesn't go along with everything barrett says.
3:33 I thought you were only going to post when someone said something bad about someone or called names.
Did 11:15 call anyone a name?
Look like to me post 11:15 was saying something nice about 10:20.
3:44
Can't you just give it a rest and stop trying to stir something up?
Give peace a chance.
7:59 When are you going to give it a rest?
People have to post back to you.
Seems like you want to keep it going.
I agree with 3:44.
To Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:20:00 AM
You say "Wrong again Barrett. It has to be two or more voting members of the same decision-making body and they must deliberate a public policy."
Barrett said, "The statute declares that a meeting occurs whenever a public body convenes, that is two or more members of that body, for two purposes 1. To make a decision and 2. To deliberate toward a decision. Therefore, it is not necessary that a decision be reached before the Sunshine Law applies. However the same statute goes on to warn that chance meetings shall not be used to deliberate public business in circumvention of the spirit of the act. Courts have held that informal assemblages of a governing body at which public business is discussed and deliberated, including informal telephone discussions between members of a governing body, fall under the Sunshine Law.
After reading the statute Barrett cited I must agree with him. There is nothing about members being "voting" members. The County Mayor and a Commissioner are both members
of the legislative body and are prohibited from meeting in private unless with the county attorney to discuss litigation.
5:22
But sometimes one can make a mountain out of a mole hill just for the sake of being contentious.
6:07 Please try not to ruin every topic.
6:07 Thats not making a mountain out of a molehill. Thats just stating the facts of the law, or are we going to continue to accept our local officials ignoring laws?
12:23
Why don't you call the state and report those lawbreakers then?
There seem to be a few angry and vengeful people who just want trouble and strife. The sad thing is that they can't find any faults with themselves.
3:40 You know you got something right, but can you see your faults.
4:07
Absolutely, and I pray to be a better person all the time. And, knowing my own faults, I'm not quick to call names or attack and judge others.
Perhaps we could all tone it down a bit and realize that making trouble is not going to solve any of the county's problems.
"Not quick to call names or attack or judge others" I must have been reading somebody else stuff on here.
My daddy used to say praying ain't much unless you put some sweat (action) in it.
9:23
Must have. Troublemaking is not my game. I'd like to see it stop.
It is better to live in peace than in bitterness and strife.
_______Confucius
Living under a tightly controlled dictator would remove the bitterness and strife of having to make daily decisions and be personally responsible. Alfred E. Newman
"I rarely seem to know what's best"
Enabler (Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:19:00 PM)
11:37
There is no enabler if you refer to me. The real enabler is the one who allows those like you to keep that lie going.
Confucius say,
"Enabler like broke record. Defect cause repeated noise that everyone find obnoxious."
Define everyone. Aren't you talking about the two or three (probably less) who are constantly on here attacking and calling names? I think so.
Confucius never said that, and there is no enabler if you refer to me. Again, that is a lie told by one who ought to know better.
Ok, your turn.
6:11 Would your time not be better spent volunteering to a worthy cause?EVERYONE is tired of reading your same-o same-o.
to 6:11
How do you know Confucius never said that? Do you know everything Confucius said? Oh, I forgot you not only know everything about people you even know why they do the things they do.
"I rarely seem to know what's best"
Enabler (Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:19:00 PM)
Confucius said: Silence is a true friend who never betrays.
It is easy to hate and it is difficult to love. This is how the whole scheme of things works. All good things are difficult to achieve and bad things are very easy to get.
________Confucius
Confucius say,
"hateful woman like leaky faucet, and often times an enabler of evil most disgusting."
9:54
There is no enabler if you refer to me. That is a troublemaking lie started by one who ought to condemn lying.
I thought you guys were all about discussing issues intelligently. What a laugh.
Ok, your turn.
Well......at least we're being original in our retort to your same ole copy and paste responses.
Anytime that lie is told, my retort will be the same.
Do you have anything else?
12:51
Yeah, all one of two of you. Keep on stirring.
Allen! There she goes posting to herself again.
Hey LADY: Allen is a married man! Does that not mean anything to women like you anymore?
He clearly isn't interested in you, and even if he was we don't CARE! KEEP IT TO YOURSELF and take your stalking else where.
TROLL!
Allen,
When are you going to BLOCK that KOOK?
8:08
Calm down, please? You are about to pop a cork.
Your suggestion that I am a lady who is chasing allen barrett is low-down dirty. But that's how you seem to run, isn't it? Do you even care that such inflammatory remarks can cause serious troubles? More importantly, do you think at all?
Were I a female, you can bet your boots I would be a lady. However, since I'm a male, I prefer to consider myself a Christian gentleman. Oh, I'm sure you will scoff at that, but it's ok.
"I prefer to consider myself a Christian gentleman. Oh, I'm sure you will scoff at that, but it's ok."
Oh really? I was wondering if the writer of "Whitt's Well" was a cross dresser. And now I know.
Thanks!
7:25
So here we are again, I see. You did just as I thought you would. Go ahead and scoff, but I spoke the truth. I am a Christian gentleman and glad of it.
No, I'm not the writer of Whitt's Well or a cross dresser. You really are a sick puppy, aren't you?
I thought you guys wanted to discuss issues? Is there anything else?
7:25
Oh, by the way. I wonder if allen barrett will allow your trashy insinuation against Mrs. Harwell to stay on this blog, even though some have read it? You were referring to Mrs. Harwell, right?
I'll bet you don't even consider how dangerous a statement like that can be if it fell into the wrong hands. Stop and think. How would you like it if someone made a statement like that about your wife or mother?
To 4:42
No hun your not a "Christian gentleman' your none other than VH in the flesh. What's most sad about you is the fact you really think people are buying into the fact your someone else.
Like another said Mam, your not fooling anyone here, and you'll never be elected as even a dog catcher in this town. Now just get over it and go away, so grown ups can get on with business at hand.
7:55
Please tell me you are not that ignorant.
I happen to be a Christian gentleman, the husband of one wife, and the father of some well-respected and responsible children. What say ye about yourself?
I thought you guys wanted to discuss issues, but it appears your only real issue is the fact that I oppose your troublemaking. Please don't deny that what you are trying to do is cause trouble. When did you decide that you hated Mrs. Harwell anyhow? Again, are you a District 7 voter?
7:55
Oh, and could you tell me what the "business at hand" might be?
7:55
Oh, and could you tell me what the "business at hand" might be?
Somebody upset?
8:08 Maybe if Mr. Barrett does not block the poster you refer to, he will tell us who they are. I think a name would be very interesting.
Oh but of course your a gentleman.
NOT!
NO honest to goodness real MAN, would ever refer to himself as a "gentleman". That's a polite title applied by others, rather than the man himself.
But on the other hand: either a cross dresser, or a scorned "sour grapes" wannabe politician might, if she's seeking to get even with a man she blames for her loss in an election.
FYI- The "business at hand" is making sure that self serving small minded blow hards like yourself are exposed, and minimized in the public forum.
In other words: NO KOOKS ALLOWED here sweetheart!
8:33
No, I am a Christian gentleman and not a cross dresser, a sour grapes wannabe politician, a blowhard, or a kook.
Uh, I think you are so busy accusing Mrs. Harwell of being a sour grapes politician that you are overlooking the real one who did not accept defeat in a gracious manner. Right?
FYI, when the lie about me stops, so will I. It's just that simple. And I have every right in the world to defend my honor.
I'll be that your wrote that while wearing a moo moo.
WHAT HONOR?
8:22
Honor enough that I know how to treat my fellow man.
Do you have anything else? I hate to keep asking.
"Do you have anything else?"
Somebody stop feeding that crazed drama queen. PLEASE?
"Do you have anything else? I hate to keep asking."
LOL- more evidence of ADS!
If you really hate to keep asking; then why oh why do you do it? LOL!!
You've got to be a woman, cause your even exhibiting the behavior of "battered spouse syndrome".
SLAP! LOL!!!!
12:22
Well, here you are spewing venom on yet another thread. Your life must be so shallow and sad. I pity you for that and for the fact that you are so full of hate. The sad thing is that you don't realize that you need to stop drinking the kool-aid and start thinking on your own two feet.
Can you remember a time when we didn't have all this hatred and resentment in Giles County? We can have it again, but the troublemaker needs to be dismissed, and we need to at least try to find the harmony we once had. That means both of us have to be part of that change. But it's never going to happen as long as you are drinking that kool-aid.
I hate to again ask this question, but do you guys have any issues to discuss other than my gender, place of employment, and testosterone level?
Oh yea I remember how peaceful it was when the guy chased his nephew down the street and cut off his head with a chain saw. I remember when life was so simple that a kid walked into Richland and killed two people and tried to kill a bunch more. I remember when resentment didn't exist and a judge removed the mayor from office for corruption. Of course there was no hatred involved when Patty torched Gaines.
You are such a dope living in a past that did not exist.
9:20
Why is it that you insist on keeping this stirred up? Do you have anything else?
Granted, there have always been atrocious acts of violence in every town across this country, but you know as well as I do that all this name-calling and attacking of elected officials has not always been.
6:06 Are you an elected official that has been called a name?
NO, but she sure did try to be! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.......
6:24 wrote "Can you remember a time when we didn't have all this hatred and resentment in Giles County? We can have it again, but the troublemaker needs to be dismissed, and we need to at least try to find the harmony we once had."
I left a statement at 9:20 and you wrote "Why is it that you insist on keeping this stirred up?"
If you don't want answers don't ask questions. We all know you're opposed to any truth being revealed here but your lies and fantasies are OK. What a work of art you are something from Dali or Picasso.
8:04
Well, do you remember a time like that or not? I certainly do, and I'd like to see peace and harmony once again. But we can't have that, can we?
Your charge that I am a liar is, ironically, a lie.
Do you have anything else? I honestly think you need to be in either anger management classes or some serious psychotherapy. All these crooks and elected officials running Giles County have almost driven you completely insane.
"Well, do you remember a time like that or not? I certainly do,"
Your either a bald face lie (which is obvious), or you were born yesterday.
Feel free to deny and attack. Just like the good little commie lib that you are.
I would certainly welcome your comment as to when this time, please state the dates, of such great peace and harmony existed not just in Giles County but anywhere on the planet.
All through history certain people have seen their world through the prism of wealth and privilege. The Pharaoh was untouched by the cries of Hebrew slaves or even the lowly common Egyptian. Roman Emperors had no connection with the hunger of ordinary citizens. Kings never wanted for the simple freedoms denied peasants. The land and factory owners sitting in their big house knew little of the problems of those who were slaves or worked for slave wages.
Even now those of privilege fail to see the realities found in the lives of those that surround them and thus have little concern for anything other than their own well being. Because one does not acknowledge difficulties and problems does not mean they do not exist. There has never been a time when, other than in Eden and that didn't last, peace and harmony dominated our existence, we simply chose the comfort of denial to the reality of confrontation. Because Neville Chamberlain declared "peace in our time" many slept easy until the real truth was revealed and the world was plunged into war.
Denial never changes reality it only delays it.
wab
No, you are wrong once again. There really was a time in the not-too-distant past when our county was pretty much at peace. Oh, there were always crimes and such taking place, but we know that's not what I am talking about.
I believe you really have a paranoid and resentful view of those in power. I'm sorry that you just don't have the ability to get elected to anything, but you can't blame that on anyone but yourself. Still, that's no reason for you to act as you do.
Commie lb? Why is that post not deleted? Can you not see that as troublemaking?
You are what you are, and it is what it is.
If you don't like it then "CHANGE"( I'll bet you got all excited when you read that!), or just go away. Why I'll even suggest a site more suited for people like you. It's called "the Democrat underground". There are folks there who will appreciate your lack of mental clarity, childlike reason, and pipe dreams dreams of a socialist utopia. Hey, you'll feel right at home. Try it! You'll like it!
"Denial never changes reality it only delays it."
Good line there Allen.
Spoken like a true patriot and a REAL MAN of GOD!
10:27
Good line, but it is not barrett's. Hilarious post.
That is a quote by Les Brown in a self-help book.
Maybe Les Brown's self help book is where WAB got the it, what would be wrong with that?
I challenge you to provide where Les Brown or anyone else is credited with the quote "Denial never changes reality it only delays it."
I searched every source on the internet and there is no place where the quote is found. I think Barrett has it but regardless the accuracy of the words especially applied to you 10:50 are dead on. Jealousy just can't be let go of by some.
9:30
I found that quote in less than five minutes by doing a Google search. How else do you think I came up with Les Brown's name? While there's nothing wrong with using someone else's quote, we should try to give the proper credit for it.
9:30
I went back to look at that Les Brown article, and here's what he said: "Denial never solves anything but delays the inevitable". I believe that can be found in a thread titled 1. Introduction - Living the Single Life: Becoming a Successful Single.
I also found another quote by Brown that says: "Someone's opinion of you does not have to become your reality".
Hey, Kids what time is it? It's Howdy Doody Time." Buffalo Bob Smith
I think Barrett's right we should start looking a cartoons if we are going to act like children. That is getting picky when you start fussing over her first made a quote and thinking every time you use someone's quote you have to tell who first said it. I wonder how many times that is really done.
I've always heard you go throw your childhood again before your die. I don't know who said that and don't care. Grow up!
wab
No, it's time you called a spade a spade. This name-calling and hatred needs to stop. In my opinion, it al;l started with your smart remarks, so why can't you say something to end it?
Parents, please keep your children off the computer.
4:23 Amen!!
To 21 Feb. 3:37PM.
Well first of all I never heard of Les Brown other than as leader of "His Band of Renown" and the guy who used to live down the street when I was about ten. If I don't acknowledge a quote from someone with quotation marks and or the name of the person the quote is attributed to then it came from me. You can do with it whatever you choose.
I am somewhat confused by your post. First you refer to me and state, "it's time you called a spade a spade". See the quotation marks? It's time to call a spade a spade you say but when I have done that you say I am being a troublemaker among other things.
I always try to use simple language with the most basic meaning so that confusion is lessened. Here's the problem, you say call a spade a spade but does that refer to a shove like instrument intended to be used for digging in the dirt with an assist from a foot or is it a black emblem on a playing card that has a pointed top and is one of four suits in the deck? Of course I could refer to an "Intrenching Tool, Collapsible, M1967" which is very specific.
The third part of your comment is really the puzzle as you state,
"In my opinion, it al;l started with your smart remarks". This statement leaves me in total confusion. If I made a smart remark how would you know what I was doing?
Finally you state, "so why can't you say something to end it" Ok, here it goes, "bye".
wab
Ok, since you want to be cute and arrogantly condescending, please allow me to say what I said in another way that perhaps you can understand.
It's time to face an uncomfortable reality. The hate speech, resentment(sour grapes), name-calling, and attacks need to stop. That is the real problem.
Now, as for what Les Brown said, would you like me to send you the internet link to his book? I didn't accuse you of pirating that quote. I just wanted to point out where it actually originated.
"It's time to face an uncomfortable reality. The hate speech"
And it's time you faced an uncomfortable reality "Lady".
1. The term "hate speech" was coined and used by Fascist/communist aka DEMOCRATS: and not by someone claiming to be a conservative.
2. YOUR PETTY! Like a woman scorned, who can't let go of something, even after it's been explained a thousand times.
3.You are completely ALONE in your thinking on this blog. NO ONE HERE CARES ABOUT YOUR NEED FOR ATTENTION. SO GO AWAY!
4. NO real man would carry on like this, much less a Christian.
Now go head to Wal-Mart and I'll meet you there in about 20 minutes. I'll be driving a blue Tahoe,and if I'm not there when you get there, please feel free to wait.
12:01
You need to calm down. It seems that you are about to, once again, blow a fuse.
You seem to be the one who can't let something go. You call me names, including the lie barrett started on me and then have the nerve to call me petty. Outrageous!
Look, it's just this simple. When the lie stops, so do I.
12:01
Would you deny that this blog fosters and promotes hatred and division? Just look at what you said to me. And, admittedly, I was ready to meet you at Wal-mart. This is exactly the point I've repeatedly made about inflammatory remarks.
Seems like this is the perfect opportunity for the enabler to show the world something negative about Barrett that it can back up.
The quote you said you found it in just a few minutes with a google search. If the enabler would now just give the page number or the reference
where the quote is Barrett would be discredited. I don't mean something that is vaguely like what he said as you did before and I disproved your claim. If the quote was ripped off then just show the author and the page number if it's in a book. So far I have found nothing even close by Les Brown.
10:15
There is no enabler if you refer to me. That is a manufactured lie that was told on me by one who o7ught to be standing against the bearing of falsehoods and mischief.
Ok, here goes. Go to google.com. When the screen comes up enter a search for "denial never changes reality; it only delays it". Scroll down to 1.Introduction - Living the Single Life: Decoming a Successful Single. You will see that quote (not verbatim) right there in the link synopsis. It says "Denial never solves anything and only delays the inevitable". I found it by entering the search mentioned above. Those two quotes are much more than vaguely similar.
Ok, enough is enough already. How many on here want to see the post of the Enabler blocked? I know I do.
I am going to send Allen Barret an email asking him to do just that.
If any of you want to help get rid of this moronic person, then please do like wise.
We are not going allow it to continually disrupt the blog because of her obvious personal issues with Allen. So please email him immediately and ask that she be blocked from posting here.
Thank you
5:39
Stop promoting that lie that was told on me and you won't have to block me off this "free speech" blog. That is ALL I ask.
You talk about what "we" are not going to allow here. Well, I won't allow you to get away with accusing me of going along with wrongdoings and, worst of all, evil. It's almost a moot point since I'm anonymous, but I honestly believe there's a larger principle involved.
5:25 that is along stretch even for you. Obviously your ambition to attack Barrett is greater than your intelligence in understanding quotes.
6:17
Go look it up for yourself; it is there.
6:46 I did and it ain't. you exaggerated and stretched it into a lie as usual just to attack Barrett.
You are a pathetic sniveling coward.
10:22
Look, I entered a google search for the quaote allegedly made by someone other than Les Brown. Guess what? About the4 quote came up on the the fifth or sixth linbk down. Although it was not verbatim, it was the same thing. Otherwise, why would the link have come up at all?
Think what you want, but that's the reality of it.
Sniverling coward? Is calling someone a name what you call intelligent discussion?
Typo: sniveling.
Don't feed the beast, and it will eventually die.
Didn't intend to have an intelligent discussion I was addressing the enabler and his lie. Everybody knows you can have an intelligent discussion with him or any hate filled liar.
9:29
Once again, there is no enabler if you refer to me. That is a low-down lie, and you seem to be the one of maybe as many as two people who are promoting it. As I said, when the lie stops, so do I.
Let him post who cares.
Lets talk about something else, how much money did buying the old Sam Davis theater cost Giles county?
And 3:52 don't get so upset, the building was bought before Janet was elected.
Didn't one or more people want to buy it and pay a little at a time,letting them get back their money.
Who was the commissioner who said they were not in the banking business.
They would have finally got back their money, but now it's gone.
4:18
Here's an idea for a topic or thread. Why not discuss the enemies Governor Haslam is making among teachers? Could this be discussed without calling certain members of our own community nasty names?
6:13 It's alright with me if that is a thread topic. I haven't heard what's going on there and would like to know. Who was the governor that decided the teachers needed to write everything down, which took away teaching time??
I still want to know how much money the Hunter and Smith building cost the County. What was paid for it, how money spent on it and what they got for it?
That was a mistake they made by not checking into it before buying. Goes to show how smart some commissioners are. That don't mean ever commissioner was in on it but was overruled. thank goodness some of them didn't get reelected.
As best I can recall,the county paid right at 90 K for the building.
And then they spent about the same to make the renovations that were done before the State Fire Marshal condemned the building for not meeting electrical, or fire codes.
You see at the time, the super intelligent Commissioners, thought they could save us taxpayers money by not hiring an Architect and a General Contractor. So they appointed Stanly Newton to hire and oversee the renovations they chose to make.
It would have been a great Idea except for those pesky laws and such that regulate the renovation or construction of public buildings.
Regulations that have been around since the early 1900s.
I think someone tried to tell them that their idea wouldn't fly. But because they were endued with such power and might; they chose not to listen.
The building was sold for 50 k to the Methodist Church, who has yet to do anything with it.
In my opinion the building should have been gutted and refurbished as a theater. The city could have rented this out, and over several year it would have paid for its self, and become an asset to the citizens.
But like alot of things in this county, we have had the most short sided leadership known to mankind, who have let untold opportunities for our city and county slip right through the cracks.
Now there's not alot left to do anything with. Oh but the square is so pretty!
Yes, what a marvelous thing to know. I've heard people from other counties make comments about how neat and attractive our town square truly is. I am thankful for that.
But are youu unaware that most of the buildings around that square are in terrible shape, and most of them are empty?
What good is a pretty town square, when there is nothing here to draw outsiders, or even industry? About the only thing the square is good for is to look at as your passing thru, and imagine of how things were back before Wal Mart and Home depot.
Unfortunately the law offices have taken over up there, and it is no longer a place of commerce.
If you think run down and empty buildings are beautiful then you'll love the square area.
The Hunter Smith Building was bought during Giles Collier's term in office. While it was a mistake to not research the project better that mistake only increased in severity over time. I understand it was Mrs. Vanzant that called the state inspectors into the matter because she didn't want to move her office over there. She is also the one who said she was getting several calls a week from people wanting to buy it and advised not to sell it for a mere 125,000.00 just a few months before selling it for 50,000.00, the only bid that was offered.
The county is in big trouble because of weak, indecisive leadership and the future only looks bleaker because of the untruths and continued violations of the law that permeate county business. While several commissioners, past and current, have made strong attempts to make the needed corrections and have given all their time and energy to bettering this county, for the most part the rose colored glasses remain focused on a mind-set in a non-existent past that prevents moving into a realistic and productive future.
The square will never be the community center it once was, just as it changed in other towns large and small, but it can and should be an active part of the community.
Mr. Barrett
Do you think our square is more appealing than the one in Lawrenceburg? Why is it that you can't seem to post anything without making accusations or calling someone a name?
To 4:08 Please tell me what accusations or name calling I am guilty of in my 28 Feb. 9:05 statement.
I believe our square is more appealing that most but that does not negate the fact there are a number of vacant and rundown buildings there.
wab
How about your accusation that our leadsership is "weak and indecisive?" I disagree.
Wouldn't you think saying some officials are guilty of untruths and law violations are pretty serious charges? Isn't that about the same as calling them liars and crooks? The implications are there.
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To 6:07
Do you think I should have said that the county is in trouble because of "strong decisive leadership" and that the future is bleaker because of the "honesty and complete observation of the law"?
Actually saying "strong and decisive" "honest and law abiding" are accusations too.
Oh, I get it, what you really want is for me to not say anything ever.
Your denials of problems is the very reason you are an enabler.
It seems with a commissioner on "You Tube" acting like an arrogant fool would open your eyes, or the lies officials have been caught in, such as the necessity to approve the budget last year or the ambulance service would be closed the next day; or if the county opted out of the expensive and controlling inspections by the state would mean no grants from the state, would be enough to wake you up but I guess it's easier to ignore and enable than to acknowledge and correct. You can continue to focus on me and try to avoid the truth but many people have seen through you and realize the truth is costing them many dollars they can no longer afford.
wab
Look, nobody said there was nothing wrong with county government. Those continue to be your words and not mine. My opinion simply differs from yours, and that's it. Just because you see things one way doesn't make it the "gospel"...no pun intended.
I noticed that you used that word "enabler" again, and that, sir, is a lie. When will you stop telling it? It doesn't appear very becoming of you. You know nothing about my relationship with Almighty God and of my desire to see things done right. Ok?
And you have the outrageous nerve to refer to a commissioner as an arrogant fool? I can only imagine what that person thinks of you.
"And you have the outrageous nerve to refer to a commissioner as an arrogant fool? I can only imagine what that person thinks of you."
Well do tell: you little cross dressing commie lib you!
When all else fails, you can always call people vile names.
Hey enabler what would you call a person Commissioner Terry Harwell performance on You Tube. He sure sounded arrogant to me when he said "I'm a county commissioner what you gonna do about it" and all the hate speech he yelled at Bob Hughes.
What is a person who physically and verbally attacks another man while being videotaped? Stupid comes to mind but Arrogant Fool also fits the scene.
"Look, nobody said there was nothing wrong with county government. Those continue to be your words and not mine." SAY WHAT?! LOL!!!
skewsss me folks, but I found that worthy of dissection. And a good laugh as well!
The ole enabler is such a commie lib! How else can any rational minded person post something so illustrative of a simple minded little spoiled teen age girl trying desperately to have something both ways, and all at the same time! And dare expect people here to believe that it is a Conservative Christian Gentleman?
TOOOO FUNNY!
But don't worry sweetie. We're not laughing with you. We're laughing at you! HA HA HA HA!
10:32
I would call Terry a better man than I am. Why? Because he showed a lot more self-control than I would have. You do realize of course that Terry did not provoke the situation? Oh, I'm sure you just forgot.
There you go again with the name-calling. Please allow me to remind you that there is no enabler if you refer to me. That is a troublemaking lie started on me by none other than the person you so eagerly defend. Are you his spokesperson?
Do you have anything further? Is there an issue on the horizon?
1:18
There you go again with the name-calling. I had sincerely hoped that was over. Guess not.
There is no enabler if you refer to me. That is a troublemaking lie started on me by the one you so eagerly defend. You and the other one (probably the same person) just can't stand it that I point out this lie. Well, you may count on me, to do it each and every time I see it for as long as I have to, the Lord willing.
Do you have ANYTHING else? Will there be an issue in the near future?
Terry showed self control? He should of showed a little more self control.
Good thing Terry wasn't the big bad wolf or not telling what would of happen. hehehehe
He showed much more self-control than I would have.
To 1 March 5:28
You stated, “nobody said there was nothing wrong with county government. Those continue to be your words and not mine. My opinion simply differs from yours, and that’s it”.
Based on those words either you have admitted that there are problems within county government or you have denied there are problems in county government. If “nobody said there was nothing wrong”, then it’s obvious you agree that there are problems. On the other hand since my opinion is such that there are problems in county government and your opinion “differs” from mine, you therefore must believe there are no problems in county government.
The one thing that is obvious from your statement is that you are once again trying to take both sides of the same opinion.
If there are problems then why do you spend so much time in personally attacking those who seek only to expose and correct them? If there are no problems then why don’t you spend some time educating the citizenry by producing evidence supporting your opinion that there are no problems in county government instead of simply repeating the same old mantra that all was well until I arrived? Produce something of substance!
You also stated in your comment, “I noticed that you used that word "enabler" again, and that, sir, is a lie. When will you stop telling it? It doesn't appear very becoming of you. You know nothing about my relationship with Almighty God and of my desire to see things done right. Ok?”
Yes, I used the term “enabler” in describing you; no it is not a lie. I have given an abundance of supportive evidence in a number of different threads showing undeniably why you are an enabler.
It’s obvious from your comment that you either have no clue what an enabler is or you have chosen, through your arrogance, to provide your own inaccurate meaning to the term.
Enabler means “one that enables another to achieve an end; especially :one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior”
You are an enabler of wrongdoing, as I have stated before, because you seek to prevent those who do wrong from the consequences of their wrongdoing. By providing “excuses” and turning a blind eye of denial you enable the continuation of that wrongdoing. Do you engage in such activity consciously probably not, but the results are exactly the same, a continuation of the behavior.
You are right in that I know nothing, other than what you have said or more clearly by what you have shown, about your relationship with God, but then I have made no claims to have any information about you and your relationship with God. That my friend has been your tool by which you have attacked me making such claims that I am “not worthy to be a minister, if he really is”; “I can’t possibly be a Christian”; “A Christian Minister would never call someone a name”; and the most incredible of all, claiming to know the motivation of my heart in matters of my relationship with God, His people and the issues I have addressed here and in other forums. Claiming to know another persons motivation or heart reveals the one making such a claim to be a plain liar.
As for referring to Commissioner Harwell as "acting like an arrogant fool" you only have to watch the You Tube video to understand the clarity of that fact.
wab
I have never argued that our county government is perfect and/or without problems. Those are your words and not mine.
You again called me an enabler of wrongdoing. That again, sir, is a bald-faced lie. When will you stop telling it? I enable no wrongdoing, consciously or otherwise.
Just because my opinions differ from yours doesn't make me a supporter and enabler of wrong. In fact, if I agreed with you, we would both be wrong!
Since you seem bent on calling me an enabler of wrongdoing, perhaps I should start calling you the promoter of strife? I believe you are far closer to being a promoter of strife than I am to being an enabler of wrongdoing.
Lastly, you state that I attack your Christianity and judge the intents of your heart. In my opinion, both are questionable, but I leave that judgment up to Almighty God.
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