County Commissions Trying To Kill Sunshine Law
This appeared in the Daily News Journal as an editorial on 10 November 2011. It alerts readers to a very serious attempt to weaken and destroy the State Open Meetings Law. Some Giles County Commissioners have already been in discussions supporting this proposal. While many aspects of the law are already ignored if the law is changed by this proposal there may as well be no Open Meetings Law.
"Public. Private. We often associate the first word with "government," the second with "business."
But when it comes to "government business," the first word should always apply. That's why a proposal by the president of the Tennessee County Commissioners Association to weaken the state's 37-year-old sunshine law must be stopped in its tracks.
Williamson County Commissioner Bob Barnwell has cooked up a wrong-headed proposal under which any number of members of a county commission, school board, or city council — up to a quorum — could meet and discuss public business. Public notice would only be given if a quorum of the body was present.
Bad idea. Horrible idea.
The people's business should be public, with few very specific exceptions. Yet we continue to have elected officials — those who've been granted the honor of representing the citizenry — searching for ways around the sunshine law so that public business can be conducted in the shadows and behind closed doors.
Conducting government business out in the open benefits not only the public but elected officials as well. Records are kept and maintained to hold everyone accountable. It gives credibility to the workings of government because it ensures that decisions are being made in the light of day for taxpayers to see for themselves, then determine whether those decisions are right, wrong or indifferent.
According to Frank Gibson, executive director of the Tennessee Coalition for Open Government, Barnwell is urging county commissions statewide to back his proposal with resolutions that ask their local state representatives and senators to support the measure when the General Assembly reconvenes in January. Barnwell has reportedly secured a sponsor.
Under the state's sunshine law, two or more members of a government body may not gather privately to "deliberate" toward a decision.
Contact your county commissioner today let them know that you want the public's business to remain just that."
posted by Allen Barrett | 8:49 AM
238 Comments:
Ludicrous. We ALL need to call as many commissioners as possible to stop this resolution NOW.
According to most of you on this blog, you think that we don't operate by it now. This is just an attempt to keep troublemakers quiet so that business can be conducted without any rude interruptions. Stop being so paranoid.
10:21
I think you are absoolutely right. Troublemakers continue to cause as much disruption as they can, and NOBODY I know of is trying to conduct secretive business. Thanks for an excellent post.
10:21 has his head filled with crap from the cow barn. There is a lot of business that is discussed outside regular meetings that's why there's no discussion going on in the meetings. Secrets have ruined this county and empowered the crooks that run it. If this passes Bass can kiss his chance of being county executive goodbye. This is just another power grab that will keep the people in the dark exactly where 10:21 and 10:58 want them.
We fought wars to prevent this kind of abuse of the people. Do we need another one?
11:48
The troublemakers are at it again, I see. NOBODY is trying to put one over on you guys so enough with the paranoia. And If Eddie runs, bet on it that I will be out campaigning for him.
Will you guys be trying to smear him like you did Mrs. Vanzant?
I know firsthand business takes place outside of the meetings. Stand around outside the commission meeting room before a meeting and listen. Several times I have witnessed Campbell or Stoney trying to persuade someone to vote with them on one thing or another. Dont take my word for it, go hang out and experience it for yourself.
1:41
So what if they do? What's wrong with discussing issues prior to the formal meeting. Please stop trying to stir up trouble.
To 2:25 If you can read and comprehend what you read, this is what State law says Tennessee's Sunshine Law
"The General Assembly hereby declares it to be the policy of this State that the formation of public policy and decisions is public business and shall not be conducted in secret."
Title 8, Chapter 44
(T.C.A. 8-44-101-201
The law says that any meeting is open when it consists of two or more members of a governing body empowered to deliberate toward a decision or a group making recommendations to a governing body.
3:31 (perhaps wab?)
Please don't try to condescend to me, OK? I am quite capable of reading and comprehending.
Let me ask you a question.
What is so secretive about commissioners standing around talking about an issue and within earshot of others? If what they were discussing is so secretive, then why weren't they whispering among themselves?
Are you suggesting that when two or more commissioners decide to go out for lunch, they should invite you along?
You really need a job.
Actually they were covering their mouths and leaning in to each other in such a manner as to convey secrecy. And I spoke condescending to you because your childlike mentality evidently CAN'T comprehend what I posted. If two or more commissioners go out for lunch then they are PROHIBITED by STATE LAW from talking about any governmental business that may come before the body they were elected to serve on. If they choose to talk about sports or the weather or the stock market that is perfectly legal. If however they want to take me out to lunch I will be glad to go as long as county business stays out of the conversation, I try to follow the laws. By the way I am not Mr. Barrett, I do not feel he would be nearly as nice to you as I have been.
3:52
Oh, I understand perfectly what you guys are all about. If you wanted to know what they were talking about, why didn't you just go over and ask to join the conversation?
If you think you are being nice to me, I would hate to see you when you aren't.
That is not what it means 3:52. It means that no two commissioners can hold a meeting and come to a conclusion for the entire body. It doesn't mean they can't discuss it outside of a meeting or on the phone. Get a grip on reality. I can't believe the way some of you try to spin this stuff. Maybe you are so ignorant that you think what you say is the truth.
6
:37
Thanks for the post. Perhaps that will get him to move on, but I doubt it. They never stop.
I understand this is not just Giles County wanting this law changed.
Is is state or Federal?
I don't know who started the rumor that Giles County wants it changed? I haven't heard anybody say that. This is coming from a commissioner in Williamson County that will probably try to get it passed in the State Legislature. Just like Barrett to mislead the readers on this blog into thinking that Giles County Commissioners are up to no good again. That is why he is called a liar.
From what I hear, this came up in last week's Budget Committee meeting and Stoney Jackson is sponsoring a resolution to support Barnwell's proposal to be presented to the Legislature, the resolution to be voted on in the Nov. commissioner's meeting. Any of our commissioners voting for this will be committing political suicide so I say go ahead and we will see how they come out in the next election. This would be as bad as a commissioner voting for a wheel tax in Giles county.
8:31
Sadly, I believe you are right that he is a liar. Such hypocrisy.
10:06,
You are wrong to assume that they will committ political suicide. Stoney Jackson will be a commissioner in Minor Hill as long as he runs. I also know of several people that have pushed and voted for a wheel tax and have been commissioners for close to 20 years. Don't think that because you want to hold up progress in the county that all the rest of the citizens do. Just bet one thing, the candidate you stand behind (allen barrett) will never be elected.
7:07 Great post. You are so right. We cannot let that guy gain any control here. That's another reason to vote AGAINST any candidate he supports. Just mark that down and remember it when election tome rolls around. Get the word out.
Again, great post.
It's very easy to see if, as has been claimed, I lied on this issue just attend the Commission Meeting and see if this matter is brought up.
There is no question that it was discussed in the Budget Meeting last week and the same people who have violated the open meetings the most are the ones who are now pushing to do away with it, and make no mistake if the law is changed as proposed that will be the end of open meetings where real issues are discussed in this state.
8:31PM Thur. and 7 AM Fri. have made absurd claims that I am a liar this is the perfect opportunity to actually see who's credibility is supportable. If this is not an issue being discussed and considered by commissioners then I am a liar, on the other hand if it is an issue being discussed and considered 8:31PM and 7:00AM have revealed themselves as liars.
I have had a number of commissioners call and tell me about the conversation at last weeks Budget Committee. While Commissioner Jackson is proposing the resolution he has several supporters on the Commission including the County Executive.
It is very important to watch who votes for this move to create a more secret government.
It is our tax money paying the salary and expenses of CTAS and its officials pushing this absurdity.
Its obvious this issue is being pushed through as fast as possible without the public being made much aware of it. Why did Vanzant who is supposed to administer the laws on behalf of Giles county citizens, not insist this resolution go through the proper channels, which would be the county Legislative Committee.
It isn't the Giles County Commission that decides this 9:14, it is the state. Don't get your drawers in a wad over something you obviously know nothing about. Barrett is just raising a fuss. He is as bad as MSNBC about giving misleading info to try and sway the minds of the less intelligent.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if everyone in Giles County was as intelligent as you.
You could of said what you did without giving the smart remark.
Then quit thinking that everything Barrett says is the truth. Start to think for yourself. It will carry you much farther than he can.
If 7:47's remark was for 6:26, I don't believe everything Barrett says is true and nothing you say is true.
anyone following you better start thinking for them self.
One thing you've never said anything worth repeating.
4:26 How rude you are. Besides, I am fully aware the state legislature would be voting on this but our local commission will be voting on Stoney Jackson's resolution supporting the move. Obviously I do know something about it.
8:18, you don't know much of anything unless you ask someone else. It is not being rude when it is the truth, and the truth stings a little. What county would want to be trying to conduct business with someone like Allen Barrett sitting in a corner throwing a fit and getting loud. He has been a problem at government meetings for too long. You can blame him for any commissioner wanting to have uninterrupted meetings.
8:18
Good post.It's just a shame. However, his following has really dropped off. I guess they saw that too. Looks like someone in his family would try to calm him down.
2nd 8:18 why do people like you lie so much on here. There are already laws in place to deal with people that cause a disturbance. disturbing the peace and disturbing a public meeting. If Mr. Barrett did the things you say I am sure Mrs. Vanzant would jump at the chance to have Mr. Barrett arrested. But the fact is he does not do the things you accuse him of and when they tried to have him brought up on charges for disturbing a meeting the jury found in favor of him.
Our government officials as well as other politicians do not believe the public should have input once they are elected. This is really what is wrong with our country. Inadequate public officials that are incapable of representing the people as a whole and look for every way to silence the people so they may push through their personal agendas that benefit them, their friends and family.
9:06 Great post. The truth well said.
9:06 Thanks. Totally agree with all you said.
9:06 So true, thanks.
9:06
I totally disagree with your post...unless you are talking about state and federal politicians.
Anyone who can comprehend knows 9:06 was talking about local, state and federal governments.
9:06's post fits SOME politicians in both state, federal and county.
If Mr. Barrett was all the things he's said to be and has done all the things he is claimed to have done how could he have any following? If his following has fallen off like has been claimed for continue to fear him so much.
The truth is more powerful than any one person Mr. Barrett has told the truth and some can't stand it so they try to destroy him instead of the things he says.
I think Mr. Barrett made it very clear in his 7:37 response to 8:31 either Mr Barrett or the anonymous coward that continues to attack him is a liar and that will be revealed
by whether this issue is being discussed by commissioners or not.
By the posts that followed Mr. Barrett's claim I already see that many people are aware of this issue and it is being discussed by the commissioners.
8:30
I think you are confusing people's fearing barrett with their dreading to see him coming. I think he has caused so much trouble in local government that elected officials do not want to deal with him. It has nothing to do with truth, justice, and the American Way and has nothing to do with the romantic illusion of his martrydom. It amounts to (my opinion) his being a continual and needless pain in the rear that become have just simply become very tired of.
Your opinion is that Barrett's a pain and troublemaker that people hate to see coming, that fine 9:17 now here's my opinion since we are all allowed to have one. Mr. Barrett in my opinion has done more good for this county that any other single person in the past ten years. He has forced officials to hold open meetings and allow comment from the public something that was never done before.
He has prevented the cover up of bad behavior and illegal activities by some officials. He has fought for this county and the betterment of its people. Mr.Barrett in my opinion is a hero.
11:19
You don't even want to hear my opinion of allen barrett. It is polar opposite to yours.
Already heard your opinion in your 9;17 whine.
2:00
That's why you won't hear it since you already know. And it's not whining to take issue with a troublemaker.
Went to commssion meeting this morning and guess what, there weren't one. What happened and why was it cancelled nothing was on the radio about this why? Yes I asked the lady at the radio station and she said she didn't know.
Why don't you call Mrs. Vanzant's office and fine out? Wouldn't that be the best thing to do?
Called but she wasn't in and the lady that answered didn't know.
Then call one of the commissioners.
Why was the meeting cancelled? Did they get all the decision making done behind close doors and there was no need for a meeting? Maybe they already implemented a closed door policy and did not let the public know.
10;12
Call one of the commissioners and find out. There's no need to try starting up trouble.
If they made the decision behind closed door they want have to be paid. Good thing, save money.
On 10 November in an 8:31 post I was called a liar because I had posted that the Commissioners were discussing and considering a vote to ask the state to change the "open Meetings Law". The writer did not post it as an opinion but as an outright claim based on his personal information and knowledge.
On 11 Nov. at 7:37 I posted a rebuttal to the absurd charge and challenged everyone to simple watch what the commissioners did at their next meeting and decide whose words had been lies.
The agenda for the commission meeting has been released, posted and announced on WKSR and right there in the agenda is the information that the anonymous accuser totally denied. The evidence is clear and the anonymous poster has been revealed as the liar.
Will there be an apology, I doubt it but what I don't doubt is that same person will post again with similar lies while claiming to be someone else. It was clear who the anonymous poster is and on what level his credibility rest.
I had copied this to put on blog, then see Mr. Barrett has posted about it.
From WKSR's web site.
Commissioners are expected to express their support for legislation that would amend Title-8, Chapter-44 to subject governing bodies to the same Open Meeting Act that the General Assembly is subjected to and approve the Giles County Debt Management and Fund Balance Policy.
wab
Wjy must you constantly call people liars and other sordid names when you yourself are unwilling to accept that same criticism?
Why?
To 2:16If you will kindly go back and read the posts you'll see that I was called a liar by the anonymous and cowardly 10 Nov. 8:31 poster. My reaction was to offer proof that I had not lied. That proof was given today when the commission agenda was released to commissioners and WKSR.
The cowardly anonymous poster was revealed to have lied about me. Would you have been more pleased had I referred to them as a fibber,
fabricator, fabulist, prevaricator, storyteller. Just what word would you use to describe the behavior of one who intentionally tells lies and make it clear as to just what you mean?
wab
You didn't answer my question. Why are you so intolerant of those who think you lied?
You are really giving that dictionary or thesaurus a good workout I see. Impressive.
there was a property meeting at 9:30 this morning at the court house annex.
To 4:26
I am not intolerant of those who think I lied but I certainly am intolerant of those who claim that I lied and offer no evidence to support such a claim. My 11:48 response was to the person who "stated emphatically that I lied" I simply proved that the real liar involved in that claim was the anonymous coward that stated I had lied and the proof of his lie was made clear by the agenda for the next Commission meeting and the posting on WKSR website.
While I wasn't particularly concerned with impressing you by using the dictionary I would offer you the same opportunity, learn to read and apply a dictionary, the Bible and the US Constitution and you too will be impressive.
Words are weapons of civilized peoples on the battlefield of life.
wab
I understand fully how to read those items you just listed. Perhaps if you read your Bible a little more than you do the Constitution or your worn-out dictionary, you might not be so eager to call people names or to hurt them in other ways.
Yes, words can be used as weapons by civilized people to tear people down and destroy lives. It's much the same as jealousy, resentment, and hatred can ruin the life of the person who harbors those feelings. Would you agree?
I would agree 6:58 you are the perfect example of a ruined life by jealousy, resentment and hatred.
If your example is any indication it would seem you are just as in need of reading your Bible as anyone. Read the dictionary and maybe you could understand more of what the Bible is saying to you.
Francis...
Wrong. I am a very happy and contented man. I', not jealous or envious of anyone. I love my life and have no need to try hurting others to make myself look important. Furthermore, I don't need to stir up trouble to occupy my time.However, I don't owe you or anybody else an explanation. I serve a risen Savior, and that makes my life one of contentment.
You know what? My Bible tells me to avoid those whose feet are swift to mischief. Think about it.
Have you cut off your feet 12:20 because you are as much into mischief as any one in this county only your self-righteous attitude won't let you see it. I think someone called you a pharisee on here and I believe that's the best thing to describe you. It's people like you that drive a lot of folks away from church.
OK So it is confirmed that Giles Co commissioners WILL be discussing their support of a motion to be put before the State Legislature at their upcoming Nov. meeting .
The proposal WILL reduce the effect of the State's 'Open meetings Law' .
You like that idea ? Commissioners WILL discuss YOUR business in private to determine how to maximise benefit to themselves , relatives and friends .Just as they have done here for over 200 yrs.
Do you plan to attend the meeting ?
Have you TOLD your commissioners what YOU think about this motion ?
Will you be at the commissioners meeting ?
Will you get VanZant's permission and SPEAK against it at that meeting ?
If you didnt answer 'yes' to any of the above then you're as much of an ostrich as your neighbor AND YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU DESERVE .
So quit bellyaching NOW .
3:10
I believe he one who called me a Pharisee, among other things, is allen barrett. And isn't he the one who calls himself a man of God?
I HOPE THAT THEY ALL WANT IT SO THAT TROUBLEMAKERS CAN NO LONGER TRY TO CAUSE A SCENE IN MEETINGS. I FIGURED SINCE HEMORRHOID WRIGHT WAS YELLING I SHOULD TOO. THERE ARE RARELY CITIZENS AT THE MEETINGS ANYWAY. UNLESS IT IS THE CAVE PEOPLE.
About to loose aren't we. laughable
The enabler called Barrett a liar, that it was just a rumor, that commissioners had no desire to change the open meetings law, that Barrett was trying to stir up trouble.
Barrett told the enabler that he was not a liar and he would prove it. Barrett challenged the enabler and everyone else to watch what the commissioners did in their next meeting, if the commissioners did not discuss changing the open meetings law then he would be a liar but if they did discuss changing the open meetings law then everyone would know that the enabler was the liar.
WKSR announced it, the paper reported it, the agenda list it and now everyone knows the enabler has proven himself/herself to be a liar.
Once more Barrett is vindicated and the enabler is proven to have no credibility.
Mr. Barrett could you please tell us which commissioner(s) come back from these meetings and tell you information. I really think it is our right as voters to know who is going to you with information from meetings on these subjects. I think it is our right to know who wants to have this information made public before the subject is discussed.
2:47 (possibly wab again)
The one you call enabler will say this again since you continue bringing it up. The only enablers I know of are those one or two like you who continue to promote the lie allen barrett told that I would go along with corruption and wrong. It was a lie when he told it (oh, and he never lies) and it remains the same today. Why do you so wantonly go along with that? Don't you have anything to do with your life? You people think you can just swoop down and call names, make nasty accusations, and hurt people he doesn't like and expect those like me to sit by and let you get away with it. No way Jose! That is EXACTLY why allen barrett started that lie to begin with. He just couldn't stand it that someone would challenge his behavior. Well, I'll be his huckleberry.
You mentioned vindication and credibility. I have both; he has neither. And YES, I think he is the worst troublemaker I have ever seen in my life. And enablers like you go along with it. Or, are you the troublemaker himself posting anonymously AGAIN?
To barrett I would say this. I have never said a word about the Sunshine Law.
6:37
He's not going to tell you although you and I have a pretty good idea. Doesn't he also have a spy in the courthouse and at the annex? That's the "runor" as he and his one or two followers like to call it.
rumor.
GTC Says:
Of course Commissioners meet in private to discuss County business. These days they can do that by having a conference call and not be physically near each other and therefore not be in conflict with the State Sunshine Law. What really matters is allowing the average citizen to voice their approval or disapproval regarding matters that are being discussed. The problem is that there are Commissioners who refuse to listen to any descent no matter the source. There are also Commissioners who will listen to any citizen. An elected official should be willing to listen to any citizen that lives within this County whether or not that citizen lives in the Commissioner’s district. Yes there are a very vocal few that continue to voice opinions in a loud manner and at times go beyond what should be considered polite manners. Whether or not a Commissioner agrees with what is being said is not the issue. Our Constitution provides every one of us the right, and at times the Civic Duty, to voice opposition to what is being discussed.
It is very easy to sit on the sidelines and do nothing. No participation, no responsibility, no effort, no recrimination. If Commissioners want to cease the hecklers and minimize the impact of the vocal few, just allow them to speak in a public forum. Limit the time allowed and sit there and take it. That does not mean that you have to “listen”. I bet that there are many students in our school system that sit in class, with their mouths shut, staring ahead, being polite and absorbing nothing that is being presented by the teacher.
Would it not be something if the Chairman of the Commission opened the floor for public discussion? All they would have to do is ask “who wishes to speak?” Count the hands that have been raised, divide that number into 10-15 minutes and that would be the time allowed per speaker. The citizens get up and speak. The Commissioners could either listen or daydream. The Sheriff would enforce the speaker’s time limit. It would also be nice to allow this public forum prior to the Commission voting on any matter brought before them.
I also agree that there are normally very few citizens who attend government meetings (Nov 16, 5:59 PM is correct). WHY? Possibly it is because all meetings (with very, very few exceptions) are held during “normal” working hours and very few citizens can get off work to attend. Yes it is very comfortable to hold government meetings during the day, especially for those government officials who are being paid. To hold meetings after normal working hours would impose a burden upon our government officials and this would be a great inconvenience. But WAIT! Are not our government officials working for the common citizen? Should not they do what is convenient for the average citizen?
Thank You,
GTC
gtc
No, I'm afraid the few hecklers (CAVE) will never ever be silent. And yes, the commissioners actually are striving to serve their constituencies. I know you don't want to hear that, but it is true.
I think the real problem lies in the fact that CAVE can't get their people elected. Thank God. We're not nearly as ignorant and apathetic as they think we are.
GTC A great post. I agree 100%. If meetings were handled like this there might be some great suggestions brought up. There a lot of people in the county that are more knowledgable than some of our commissioners. The old saying of two heads are better than one is so true. I am not downing our commissioners.
8:14 Good post. Only thing the people working a second shift couldn't get to the meeting if it was at night. I have no idea what the answer might be.
I noticed 8:38 said.. "We're not nearly as ignorant and apathetic as they think we are." so is he/she a commissioner? Sounds like it.
We have a lot of good commissioners and then a few they think they know best and will not listen to anyone.
I found that out several years ago and you bet I didn't vote for him and told how he acted to others. Moral of story he got beat next election. All I wanted was please keep up our beautiful courthouse.
He got out ruled and it was fixed.
GTC
Not wishing to argue, but if elected officials discuss over telephone, by e-mail or whatever, they are indeed breaking the current law.
There is already a written law that says the county executive sets the amount of time a citizen can speak, usually 3 - 5 minutes. I do not know of anyone who has raised their voice in a meeting unless an elected official has already gotten loud to that person, or provoked them with unnecessary remarks. The person who is constantly stating people are members of a "Cave" for whatever that means, is really making pretty stupid and untrue remarks. This is done to provoke dialogue on this blog that steers people away from the topic at hand.
To 6:37 Would you ask other investigative reporters to reveal their sources. Most of the meetings I attend myself so information is first hand, nothing I write on here is information that has not been verified by at least two sources. There are a number of Commissioners and County workers who are trying to do the right thing for and by the people, they have no problem with openness of meetings, but then there are a few who simply can not stand any opinion to be heard but their own, and they operate in secret in the same way some use anonymous to post cowardly "rumors" on here.
Not only are there mostly good hard working people on the Commission and in the county workforce there are many who as every bit as disgusted with the behavior of some as I am.
8:14 posted good comments and I am in agreement. The only exception I have is small and to the matter of believing "What really matters is allowing the average citizen to voice their approval or disapproval...". As important as hearing from the public is, violating written law is just as egregious. State and local leadership suffers from the same problem as does the national congress, they are not highly trusted and every secret meeting only validates that lack of trust.
I know some commissioners that say they never get calls from anyone in their district about anything. I don't think that changing the time of the meetings is all of a sudden going to get people intersted in coming to them. Most people do not care unless something directly affects them. Overall, the citizens are happy. I think that should be reason enough for the troublemakers to realize they should just shut up. If you want to say something at a meeting, call your commissioner and have them bring it up. That is why it is called a representative form of government.
FF
While I am in full agreement with 2:47, who apparently was responding to the 10 Nov 8:31 poster, I am not the 2:47 poster. At 2:47AM I was enjoying a very peaceful sleep which I continued until about 7:15 am. Thank you for considering me. The question I have for 7:21 is why do you feel everyone who writes anything remotely supportive of me has to be me? You have said many times that I am too arrogant to post anonymously, if that or any other anonymous post were written by me would that not make you wrong again? Do you ever think through your statements? Another question that puzzles me is why do you consider yourself to be the only enabler referred to on this blog. As has been stated by many before "enabler" may be a proper term for you but it obviously is not your proper name so why continue responding to it when you know it, or claim it, does not apply to you?
I repeat yet once again, I post my name because I am responsible for what I write and nothing I write is posted with out supportive evidence. It is not a matter of arrogance, superiority, or any of the things claimed by some but simply a sense of old fashioned accountability.
wab
Are you even remotely suggesting that YOU are an investigative reporter? What a laugh. I call it troublemaking.
Don't be pzzled. You knew who you were referring to as an enabler, so please don't 'crawfish" on that one. I just think it's a shame that you continue referencing that name when you have been begged to stop it.
Are you also suggesting that those who post anonymously are irresponsible? Laughable.
To Fleet Fox, Did it occur to you than some commissioners don't get phone calls because people have just given up on trying to contact them? There are some commissioners who simply will not answer their phone or return calls when messages are left. When a commissioner verbally attacks and humiliates a very senior female citizen to the point of making her cry they are not representing "the people".
You say that, "Overall, the citizens are happy. I think that should be reason enough for the troublemakers to realize they should just shut up."
How many times do you think Dr. King heard that same statement? Slave owners declared their slaves "were happy". I can even remember being told in the fifties that, most Negroes don't want to go to white schools and use white peoples toilets, "they're happy" with their own. There are just a few agitators
causing all the trouble, "the good ones are happy with the way things are". I didn't buy it then and I certainly don't buy it now. When you consider the large number of people in this county without a job, who have lost their house, are having to depend on other family members for a place to stay and are having to ask for charity for the first time in their lives they are not "mostly happy". When people are having to pay exorbitant taxes to a government where there is little to no accountability people aren't "mostly happy". Working all the overtime you can just to scrap by then seeing many whose salaries your help work 35 hours and get paid for 40 hours, the people are not "mostly happy".
To 1:51 Sorry you are still having problems with your reader comprehension, I did not intend to "remotely suggest I was an investigative reporter. Let me say it say it plain and simple for you, I "i-n-v-e-s-t-i-g-a-t-e" and I
"r-e-p-o-r-t".
While I may at times be puzzled by your statements and actions I certainly have not been pzzled by anyone that I know of.
I checked with the Federal Government and found that you have not yet registered the term "enabler" therefore I feel free to use it anytime I choose. Of course I can not be responsible for those whose guilty consciences may make them react as if it's their own person name of endearment.
I was not suggesting anything about those who post anonymously, I tried to make it clear that those who post personal attacks, make outrageous claims and tell outright lies then hide under the anonymous label are cowards with no moral character traits or integrity.
Hope that's clear enough for you, if not I'll gladly pay a third grader to read and explain words to you.
wab
I see you wrote yet another epistle. What a laugh. You go to such great lengths to justify your behavior and, trust me, it's not working. That's a memo.
You think it's cute to refer to my misspelling of the word puzzled? Don't you have anything better to do? Picking nits off nits? This outrageous blog has generated into nothing more than am orchestrated attempt to demean and hurt select unfortunate elected officials. You know, jealousy, resentment, and hatred are not very becoming. Now that is what I would truly call shameful.
You may use the term "enabler" anytime you choose, but don't direct it at me. When you do, I will have no choice but to call you a liar. Why is that? I believe I've outlined the reasons why that name doesn't fit me. However, it only brought me ridicule and more name-calling from your "colleagues" (sic).
Please do not bother giving a sermon on integrity and moral character. I can't hear a word you say; your behavior is so deafening.
You smart-aleck remark about employing a third grader to help me is absolutely condescending and stupid. You really need a job.
Hopefully, I have been able to clear up a few more of your misunderstandings.
We can see what Dr. King did for the country. While he may have made a great speech, the citizens of this country are divided now more than ever. At least during the slave days everyone had jobs. Now it is categorized as government slavery. Send out that check every month without people having to do any work. And that goes for white people as well as blacks. Everyone better vote for Newt in the next election if they want to see America rise again. This political correctness is leading us to destruction.
FF
Fleet
Excellent post.
Fix,
Yes, I too agree with you that Newt Gingrich is probably the smartest of the Republican candidates, but I worry that he might not be able to beat obama. As a former Republican but still conservative at heart, he will get my vote.
The problem with Newt is that the liberal media will do their best to destroy him if he indeed becomes the Republican nominee. And, in his personal life, there is baggage.
7:04,
Newt is the only real candidate that I see on the stage. I got caught up in the hype of Herman Cain for a bit, but he doesn't have enough experience to be there. Newt knows the government inside and out. He knows foreign policy and his ideas align most with mine.
I think he would destroy Obama in the general election because he will make him look like a child in a debate. Most of this country is ready to vote for any person that is running against Obama.
We all have baggage. The liberal media is going to try and destroy any republican candidate. I think Newt can stay calm to fight it off. He is a historian and political genius. That is a good combo to run the country.
FF
Dang, Fleet, I have to agree with your last post. Even if I'm having a hard time getting over Newt's leaving his wife when she was dieing with cancer.
Yes the press will destroy him.
I hope he does debate Obama, but there are still people out there, Daddy and his Daddy before him was a democrat and I'm voting that way.
I just hope people come to there their senses, vote for Newt.
His wife didn't die and that was 31 years ago. You have to learn to forgive someone for doing wrong as long as they move forward.
FF
Telling someone in Giles County to forgive is like pulling the moon out of the sky.
Most don't know how to forgive.
Still a good post FF.
N. G had three wives, one did die.
She didn't die until years later.
The wife that had cancer is not dead. All you have to do is research it online. There is a column written by his and her daughter that describes the truth about what happened. Fact check before you post. That is how rumors like that get started in the first place. Same goes for Giles County.
FF
Bunch of nuts. So many don't have any.
Newt stood up in the Republican debates and made a statement contrary to the Constitution and how our government is to deal with treasonous acts and the statement is made he knows the government inside and out.
He may know the government but there is a lot to be desired for his knowledge of the Constitution.
We need some one who respects the Constitution, is knowledgeable of the Constitution and it's Amendments, and has a lustful enthusiasm for defending each and every right of all citizens of the U.S. and Newt is far from that.
Our Constitution when upheld by our government and the people is the most powerful weapon in the world for keeping this country strong, competitive and free.
In addition a capitalistic free market economy made us a world leader and as governments continue unnecessary regulation, additional taxation, and spending taxpayer money to bail out companies that would have normally failed we will continue to weaken. But Congress will continue to see their personal portfolios increase in value by investing in those companies they used taxpayer money to bail out.
I was planning on voting for Newt until reading this blog tonight and saw the post to look him up on the internet. Now all I can do is think the press will eat him up.
We are doomed. Guess I'll go with Mitt. May change me mind when reading about him.
The press is going to eat them all up. I have watched the media attack every candidate that becomes the frontrunner. Newt is fully aware of the constitution. I guarantee you that he has forgotten more about the history of this nation and what our founders laid out for us to become a great nation than we will ever learn.
The only thing he said that would go against the constitution is that we should treat American citizens like a terrorist when they carry out acts of war against the United States. If you think that doesn't deserve an amendement to the constitution to do just that, you deserve another 4 years of Obama. Thinking like you do would classify you as a liberal. Anybody that hates America enough to side with terrorists and is a threat to us and our neighbors deserves to die.
Newt was the Speaker of The House when we had 4 consecutive years of balanced budgets. Clinton got respect as POTUS because of people like Newt leading the way. Don't just listen to the talking heads and the news reporters. You have to be serious when choosing a candidate and research them. America doesn't need another celebrity in the White House.
FF
FF,
your an idiot. The reason the Constitution should be defended and not amended is so every one can face their accusers and have the chance to prove their innocence. Once we start allowing death panels the right to operate in our own government then we can no longer say we are a free society.
I for one think that every one should have fair treatment and protected right to face their accusers in a court of law. Their is no need for an Amendment unless you want to live under a dictatorship.
I have seen some of the FF idiotic writings before so maybe that is what it desires but not me or any other intelligent American citizen that believes citizens have rights and that the government makes mistakes and the Constitution is a great tool to protect us from those mistakes and sometimes prejudices..
I guess Barrett will get the blame for all this about Newt.
11:33
Are we trying to get something started again?
First off 11:26, it would be you are or you're an idiot. Not your an idiot. If you think that an American Citizen that commits an act of war against the US while being a part of a terrorist group deserves any rights then I feel sorry for you. Maybe you should move to a country that lets terrorist groups run all over them. The US is not one.
Also, as far as intelligence goes, I could give you part of mine and Newts and we would both still be more logical thinkers than you.
FF
7:36 Giving you a reason to post.
11:26, You sound like a bleeding heart liberal that is too dumb to know who the enemy is. So sad that you think like that.
FF, I agree 100% with what you said. I will be voting for N.G. Great information.
9:13
I no longer call myself a Republican because of those who run the state now. I see them as a bunch of bullies who want to push teachers and other state employees around...just because they have power. I include the governor in all this. However, I am a conservative and will vote for whoever is the nominee. We simply must get Obama out of there before he completely destroys us.
As a former Republican, I'd like to see a thread started on how certain sleazeball GOP politicians are kicking our teachers and the TEA. This is one of the main reasons I decided to leave the party. Let's vote them out at the earliest possible opportunity, even if we have to vote for a Democrat.
What they are doing is wrong, and our teachers are suffering because of it. Ultimately, our children will become the real victims when quality teachers become scarce.
Hope I can get an amen on that instead of being called a name.
I give an amen to our Governer. It is about time that teachers be held responsible for how they perform in the classroom. I had plenty of teachers in Giles County that didn't need to be there. I don't think that any of the parents that want their kids to get a good education is going to give you an amen. I would like to hear some examples of how you feel republicans are keeping you down. Don't just cry about it.
10:16
Look, nobody said there were no bad teachers. That's true of any occupation. Those are the ones who ought to be fired. But what these jokers at the state capitol are doing to teachers and certain other state employees is, in my opinion, atrocious. I honestly believe haslam and his cronies are after teachers simply because they can and because they know teachers have always largely voted Democratic. Well, look out; the Dems will clean house in Tennessee next election. I will always be a Conservative, but I am through with the Republican Party. Is it any wonder why so many people have such disdain for them? I too see it now.
Thank you for not calling me a nasty name.
10:16
You need to research Senator Jim Summerville. He is a Republican who "represents" Giles County. Right! That will tell you a lot about what these jokers are trying to do to our teachers and ultimately, to our children. I will actively campaign against and vote against any of these people that I can. And that would include haslam. He needs to be gone too.
Haslam is going to run this state like a businessman. That is a good thing. I am sorry that tough decisions have to be made that finally hold government and union employees responsible, but it is a good thing. I know that teachers will be upset because they have to perform. If you are a good teacher, you don't have to worry. Everyone that I have talked to that isn't a teacher is happy with what Haslam is doing.
Again Fleet Fox,
So you will be happy, you are an idiot. Why do you want government to have supreme power and the citizens to have none? There are other countries that share your thoughts so why don't you go live in one of them.
How can you not understand that the Constitution is the governing rule of this country and when followed does exactly what is intended, protect the citizens of the United States from a totalitarian government and dictatorships. If a person is a terrorist then prove it by the rules set forth in the Constitution and then implement the appropriate punishment even if it is death.
But when stupid people like you and Newt make stupid remarks against our Constitution it only shows how stupid people allow our country to slowly turn into a place not of freedom but of arbitrary rule.
Has the alleged terrorist been proven to be a terrorist? Absolutely not, a a committee behind closed doors tagged him as a terrorist.
But thanks for showing your stupidity and lack of respect of the rules that have guided and made this country the best in the world. I am truly amazed but keep writing and you will prove to every one how UN-American you really are, or maybe you are ignorant of the Constitution and how it is there to protect citizens of this country from the stupid people.
deana,
I see you are up to your old tricks again this mornoing. Anyone who disagrees with you is called a host of names. You are so typical of the CAVE people.
It's sad that we haven't achieved to those lofty levels of intellect that you have.
9:12
Prior to his being elected, didn't haslam say he was sick and tired of teachers being blamed for poor student achievement, drop-out rates, etc.? After being elected, did he not join the likes of summerville and other so-called Republicans on a witch hunt for teachers? Oh, I think so. Why don't you ask some teachers what they think of these people, or would you consider it gossip?
EVERYONE who holds a job anywhere should be held accountable, and teachers were in fact already used to that. However, this mess going on right now is WRONG, and it's going to be too bad when mr. businessman and his cronies have bullied teachers to the point that there becomes a shortage. Then who will teach our children?
You say that a good teacher has nothing to worry about? Wrong. Again, go ask a few of them. Even the best ones are subjected to this bullying. I challenge you to go ask them. Even more importantly, ask them what they think of haslam and the Republican Party. I have talked to plenty of non-teachers who see these jokers the same way I do. That's why I left the GOP. I hate abortion, gay marriage, big intrusive government, and more entitlements, but I want nothing further to do with those people.
9:17 has a corn cob up their butt to be calling someone stupid. It is obvious that The Fleet Fox is not stupid. 9:17 is getting awfully defensive over american citizens that want to blow up everyone around them. Maybe they hate America? The Fleet Fox has written some good stuff about Newt and given factual information. The part is that opinion should be respected without all the name calling. I would have to say that I think Deanna is the one behind it.
There is a big difference in thinking that the Constitution should be changed and ignoring the Constitution. A terrorist who is a citizen of this country IS covered by our Constitution. Should they be dealt with differently I think so, but the rule of law must be upheld or we all loose. People who are not citizens and caught in terrorist activities should have no right other than those afforded any saboteur, spy during war time.
As for how teachers are being mistreated by the state administration please give some specifics. Just saying they are being bullied and abused doesn't really say much. What specifically has been done to teachers in Tennessee that you disagree with?
Frank
A couple that come to mind are taking away teachers' bargaining rights and cleverly attempting to take tenure and other benefits from them. And this new evaluation system is absolutely outrageous. But don't take my word for it; ask some teachers and principals. Surely, you wouldn't think it gossip coming from them. Would you?
I think that anyone that works for the public should be held accountable by the public. Most people don't get any bargaining rights. It is crazy for anyone to think that they are entitled to anything just because of the job they have. It is a blessing to know that you can virtually keep your job forever if you get tenure after 5 years. Teachers need to stop whining and start teaching. At least their job isn't going to Mexico. Teachers and principles make up a small minority of people in our society. I don't think they are going to be able to sway anything. Stop listening to the unions and do your job!
To the poster at 9:17, I will promise you that my ideas of how to run this country would surpass yours. Notice that I used yours correctly. I hope you aren't Deanna, because I want the youth of Giles County to learn from someone that can write and speak correctly. Next time you call someone stupid, you better look in the mirror and make darn sure you don't have the disease.
FF
Fleet Fox is knowledgeable of the differences in your and you are but absolutely stupid when it comes to the Constitution, and no I am not Deanna, but that sure does not stop you from attacking some one that has nothing to do with the post.
Although you may know how to spell two words you are very sad and stupid person and I do hope no one takes your idiotic postings seriously.
Was Fleet Fox correcting grammar on here? Maybe Fleet should have proof read his/her own post. When referring to a person you do not use that, who or whom is appropriate Fleet Fox.
I think that anyone that works- incorrect usage of that in two places taken from FF's post at 9:57
Keep up the good work FF in showing us how much more intelligent you are than every one else.
You people are showing how rude and childish you are. It always turns into someone like 10:47 and 12:44, which is probably the same person, looking for a way to discredit someone because they have a differing opinion. Calling someone stupid just makes you seem dumb and lacking in credibility or substance. Just because you don't agree with me, doesn't make me stupid. I think the constitution afforded us the right to have our own thoughts and ideas. Grow up and debate like an adult or quit responding. I think we know you can call someone stupid, but can you defend why you feel a certain way?
FF
Fleet Fox,
In your own words, better look in the mirror and make darn sure you don't have the disease.
I have read your attacks on people with differing opinions. You were even petty enough to try to elevate yourself with an attack on a simple mistake in spelling, even though your grammar is riddled with mistakes and misuse of words, but now the Constitution is important to you. I see no one else should be afforded Constitutional rights except you. You make statements in contrary to how the Constitution reads concerning the rights of citizens accused of treason and now try to use the Constitution as a shield when it suits you.
These of the reasons in a long list why I think you are stupid. Is it alright with her majesty if I express my opinion, after all it is my Constitutional right or would you deny me that privilege?
So...from 60 Minutes last night...we now have a name behind the main reason why the Republicans in D.C. had rather see us lose Social Security, Medicare, etc., before they'd raise taxes on a billionaire....Grover Norquist....a lobbyist for a Mulit-Million dollars organization with anonymous backers who is using extortion tactics to keep every single Republican in the Senate and Congress on a short lease doing his bidding. Some call him the most powerful man in Washington. Scary...very scary.
"These of the reasons in a long list why I think you are stupid."
Could you please break that down so someone of average intelligence can understand what you mean?
I have never said the constitution wasn't important to me. I said that people that commit terrorists acts against the US while working with terrorists groups aren't important to me. I think most would agree. Your liberal logic, if you can call it logic, has put us in our current position. You need to cool off so that you will stop rambling and come up with some real reasons to call me stupid. Not agreeing with someone doesn't constitute stupidity.
FF
Fleet Fox,
Do you really want me to go through and correct all your mistakes. I made a few notes for you.
Other people have tried to explain it to you so I will re post what Frank said, which is in essence what I have been saying.
There is a big difference in thinking that the Constitution should be changed and ignoring the Constitution. A terrorist who is a citizen of this country IS covered by our Constitution. Should they be dealt with differently I think so, but the rule of law must be upheld or we all loose. People who are not citizens and caught in terrorist activities should have no right other than those afforded any saboteur, spy during war time.
You do not understand that the Constitution is here to protect all citizens, especially stupid people like you, and intelligent people do not want people like you, who desire to take away the rights we have that protect us from an oppressive government. Sorry but the Constitution is a take it all deal.
You stated, "I said that people that commit terrorists acts against the US while working with terrorists groups aren't important to me." (I think you meant are but who knows with you.)How are these people found guilty? Not by proper trial as laid out in the Constitution if you have your way.
Our system is built with checks and balances and what I am defending is an American citizen's rights that is allegedly a terrorist and because the Constitution deals with alleged or accused terrorists why not follow the law of the land. The reason we have written laws is to keep us free from arbitrary rule of our government officials. -(and if you are going to continue the back and forth over grammar please learn how and where the word that is properly used)
Here are some quotes from other men who think the way I do. Maybe you will like to argue their points.
"But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government." -- Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin
"If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." -- James Madison
"It is weakness rather than wickedness which renders men unfit to be trusted with unlimited power." -- John Adams, 1788
"Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence. It is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind those we are obliged to trust with power.... In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jeffferson, 1799
well said 4;54, very well said,
Yeah, you make statements that date back to the 1700's when the world was a totally different place. They also have nothing to do with the danger that is knocking on our door today. We were given the right to amend the constitution because our forefathers knew that times would change and we would face different challenges. At one time men were allowed to settle differences with pistols in the street. I think we have gotten past that.
You and your alter- ego Frank need to come up with something better than a few quotes and name-calling. (along with all your other names that you post under on this blog) I don't think an intelligent person resorts to calling someone stupid over an opinion.
I don't trust our court system enough to rule correctly when someone commits an act of war against the US. I know far too many judges that are just as liberal as you.
FF
First of all I do not know anything about Frank except he makes good sense. But I do call it as I see it and you have provided no proof to the contrary. In fact you ignore facts and follow up with another stupid opinion.
Second the Constitution was penned in the 1700's and is as instrumental in protecting our rights as citizens today as it was in the 1700's.
Third, there are provisions in the Constitution that allows for change of the document because the authors considered the changing times, technologies and changing climate of the World. Remember in the 1700's our enemies were at every border and on our soil but the peoples rights were still important.
You state you don't trust court systems to rule correctly? But you trust a panel of government bureaucrats to make decisions concerning American citizens lives based on information reported to them from the other side of the world and without defense. Much of the information provided by intelligence agencies comes from other countries or contract employees.
Maybe you are just anti-American. You write like you are.
Read this article in today's news to see how infallible these spy agencies are that gather the information. Our own government says they are careless and lazy. But you go ahead and waive your Constitutional rights, as for me I claim all rights protected.
http://gma.yahoo.com/exclusive-cia-spies-caught-fear-execution-middle-east-233819159.htmlbased
these intelligence networks that will provide the death panels the information to decide the right to life or death by bypassing the Constitution are not infallible.
But as for supplying any thing other than an idiotic opinion of our American court system I have not seen anything relevant provided by you. May God protect us from people like you in our government.
FF,
Have you thought that the judges are following the law in rendering their decisions and since you do not know the law you attack them?
Did anyone at the county commission meeting this morning see Bill Holt get smart with Mrs. Faulkner because she nominated Connie Howell for Chairman Pro Tem of the commission? I understand he threatned her with not helping Tourism next year. He also wanted to know why she schedled a Legislative meeting for next week. Since when does the chairman of a committee have to get his approval?
I wouldn't want Connie Howell in charge of anything either. She is not the sharpest crayon in the box.
6:44, why are you so crazy that you post twice everytime? Last time you posted and then posted as frank just a couple minutes later. This time you posted at 6:44 and then again at 6:46. Only this time not as Frank. You seem to be off your rocker. The Fleet Fox is entitled to his/her opinion. He/she doesn't seem very stupid to me. Your way of thinking seems to be anti-american and dangerous. Go hug a tree and quit calling people stupid when they clearly aren't.
First I'm Deana and now I'm Frank? Try neither but it is making me laugh because you jump to conclusions with out all the facts and you prove my point in all your assumptions. The Constitution protects all citizens from government officials that make it into government offices whom suffer from the same illness as you.
The Constitution backs what I write and I know I posted facts and points that you can not argue except with stupid opinion. Just because you post as the Fleet Fox and then anonymously to create the illusion that some one else supports you does not mean every one in opposition of your opinion does the same tactics as you.
I did post 6:44 and 6:46 which was a question that I am sure the Fleet Fox will not have an intelligent, fact based answer to so instead posts anonymously to try to change the subject.
And if speaking in defense of the Constitution is anti-American then you are stupid Fleet Fox a.k.a. anonymous 7:32. So go hug your own tree. Or better yet move to a totalitarian country like Iran. If you read the article their government acts in the manner that you would have our government treat its citizens.
I'm wondering if 8:14 isn't allen barrett posting anonymously again. The syntax and name-calling seems consistent with his posts.
I did not post 7:32. I think it is funny that you are getting so torn up. Unlike you, I will post under the same name everytime I post. There is no need for me to argue with someone that gets so hostile and acts like a child. When you decide to grow up and debate someone with a different opinion like an adult, then we can have a conversation.
FF
I do understand that you have no point in fact to present that would provide any useful insight, but it is funny that ff name calls, writes hostile things toward ones whose opinion differs from its but when some one gives it a taste of its own medicine and sends their own hostile comment back to them they are acting like a child. Just have to say look in the mirror ff.
Sounds like someone ran out of things to say. Instead they just tried to repeat everything that the fleet fox said in the paragraph before it. Deanna, Scared Teacher, Concerned Citizen, Teacher and Frank, you are a real piece of work.
8:06
Good post.
8:06 and 9:24 your not fooling any one. We know you are fleet fox or daw as you previously went by.
Writing styles the same, states opinion and offers no verifiable facts to support statements.
I must be the stupid one in this thing for responding to such absurd charges.
My name is Frank and I posted two comments under this topic and neither called anyone names or made reference to the intelligence of anyone.
I made a statement in response to what I considered incomplete thoughts about the U.S. Constitution and asked some questions for specifics about how teachers were being treated so badly by the officials in Nashville. I got no specifics about the teachers. I did get a response about the Constitution comment.
I don't know Fleet Fox, Deanna, Enabler or any of the other names that have been mentioned and I certainly am not any of them.
I do resent being accused of things I have not done and would greatly appreciate if the accuser would state what I said that was wrong, objectionable or belittling to them. If you can't tell me what I said was so wrong please do not reference me with others you believe have wronged you.
I wonder if 10:32 is wab posting anonymously again? Writing style seems very similar.
I don't know if WAB posted 10:32, but at least whoever it was didn't say shameey like a little kid.
It's so strange someone always thinks post they don't like is WAB, FF, Frank or Deanna.
Funny I thought the Fox usually disagrees with Barrett
Give up Deanna, I have your mac address. I know every post that comes from your computer.
Kudos to Commissioner Tracey Wilburn who made a motion to send Stoney Jackson's motion to amend the Sunshine Law back through the proper channels which Jackson had failed to do previously. It will now be presented to the Legislative Committee for vote.
There is no Frank. Quit thinking people are so dumb. Deanna, why cover up who you are? Everyone knows that it is you. Just post. What do you have to be ashamed of?
6:15 No Mac computer. lol
Shows how much you know about computers. It is called a mac address. Every computer has one. It is how you distiguish one from another. It has nothing to do with Apple or Microsoft.
7:42
I think 7:42 is misinformed as to what a mac address actually is.
7:42 should stick with writing about history instead of playing Sherlock Holmes. He's not even a very good Watson based on his articles.
8:23 and 7:42, I am a computer programmer. I am well aware of what a mac address is. Thx!
I think TBI needs to be called in on 4:58 before the stalking goes too far.
Shut up 7:10. You are a pest.
7:47 Also, he or she is a troublemaker.
Criminal activity has been admitted so why would you not want to get such a person off the streets? Or is that person just lying about committing criminal activity? Any way the person seems to have something very personal against the person they claim to have under surveillance so it would be better to have the authorities look into it rather than wait till the alleged computer programmer snaps and does something awful.
7:47 and 8:04 seem to be enablers of wrong doing. And they would never promote any thing evil. What a laugh.
They were obviously not telling the truth. It is nearly impossible to get that information. It also isn't criminal activity. It did get the posting to stop though.
8:43
The only enablers I know of are those who continue to keep something stirred up. They blindly follow the troublemaker-in-chief. Those are the real and true promoters of evil behavior.
And that would be the real laugher were it not so pathetic.
5:46
Do you have a mental problem?
9:48
Just stating a fact. I thought you guys liked to deal with facts?
Did not hear Bill Holt jump Mrs Faulkner for her nomination of Connie Howell but it was overheasrd and told to me. Thank goodness Mrs Faulkner won't put up with Holt's crap. That man needs to go. As for the person who posted negative about Mrs. Howell, as most of we voters know she is a smarter commissioner than many and is appreciated by a lot of folks and not all in her district but wishing we were to have someone like her to represent us.
Connie Howell has always been void upstairs. Even in High School. It is no secret with the commissioners.
11:32
Aren't you gossiping as you guys say so often? You overheard something?
Maybe Connie Howell will run for county mayor.
I've only met her a time or two. Seems like a nice person. So did Vanzant when I met her, but Obama would seem like a nice person if you met him.
9:52
You need to learn the difference between facts, which your statements are not, and unsubstantiated opinion meant only to demean, which your statements are. But don't worry you are forgiven for not knowing the difference.
It's your right to show your stupidity and it is alright for me to say that since you seem to think it is o.k to call Commissioner Howell stupid.
2:20 No. Re-read what I posted.
4:09
I don't need your forgiveness. However, I honestly believe the people of Giles County would readily forgive the troublemakers if they would just stop it. I know pride would prevent their making a formal apology for all the trouble they have caused, but just to stop it would be good enough.
By the way, I posted 5:46 and followed it up with 9:52. You need to get your "facts" straight. I said nothing about Connie Howell.
5:12 I agree, the people of Giles County will forgive a trouble maker like you; so the people of Giles County will be waiting for your apology for your vindictive trouble making ways.
But as you state your pride will not allow you, so we will settle for you stopping your hatred and enabling wrong doing and that will be good enough.
8:30
You must think I am barrett. If so, you are wrong. Besides, he would NEVER apologize anyway.
By the way, the only enablers I know of are those like you (perhaps only you) who keep promoting that lie ne told. You're continuing to make him look bad.
9:09 Every one thinks enabler of evil and wrong doing fits you perfectly and you answer to the name every time it is used so why are you in denial?
9:25
No, you guys have called others pretty much the same thing. Why? Because we disagree with the way you see things. We have that right.
Now, as for me responding everytime that word shows up here, that's a lie. But anytime you assign that name specifically to me, I will point out that you are promoting the lie allen barrett told. I'm sure he would appreciate it if you would stop.
7:23 The name will stop being attached to you when you stop enabling wrong doing.
1:57
And I will stop reminding you that it is an allen barrett lie as soon as you stop promoting it. Ok?
5:04
Your the only one who is delusional enough to believe that it is a lie. Your hate filled statements are the proof that you are an enabler of evil and wrong doing.
You stated at 7:23 "Because we disagree with the way you see things. We have that right." but every time some one posts a topic or a question or has a view different than yours they get attacked and defamed and much of the times all you write is blatant lies. I know this for fact.
Why do you think that you are so special that you may throw rocks but no one is going to pick one up and aim for your head?
6:03
If you continue calling me that name, I have no choice but to call you a liar. That's right; I said you are a liar. Why is that? Here's the answer. I would never go along with anything I believed to be wrong. That was a lie when the troublemaker-in-chief told it, and you insist on promoting it. Give it up. Ok?
The only enabler I see at this point is you.
8:26
Why so hateful? No need to attack some one just because they disagree with you. It is our right. But you would rather call names. "Why? Because we disagree with the way you see things. We have that right."
9L35
Sure, we can disagree. Just stop promoting that low-down lie he told and we will be just fine. Ok?
6:00
Stop enabling and we will stop labeling, you.
2:48
Stop calling names, and I will not have to remind you that it is wrong. The only enabler I know of is apparently you. What a hypocrite.
Who is the "we" you refer to?
Every one who reads your posts and sees you for the enabler you are.
9:23 A big Amen!
9:23 What a laugher. You continue to promote that allen barrett lie. Oh, and I would almost bet that you ran through the various negative threads and came back and posted again at 12:02. Laughable.
5:57
Just because that is something you would do does not mean every one else does it. There is a lot of people who read this blog that see you for the enabler you are.
That is crap 9:44. Even though "Enabler" says the same stuff all the time, I have to commend them for staying after all the punks on here that constantly try to cause trouble. It is clear that most folks on here are miserable and have no life. They like to complain about everything and love them some good gossip and rumors. It is a shame that some would think this blog is representative of the citizens of Giles County.
FF
9:44
You seem to be the enabler and promoter of the lie barrett told. But you just can't let it go, can you? Well, neither will I pal. Stop promoting that lie.
Fleet Fox,
How do you know if what 9:44 says is true or not unless you post as anonymous and are 5:57. I have read lies that you have posted on here so I know that you are not trustworthy and would do something like that. You do use the same phrases as the enabler and seem to come to it's defense often so it does make since.
2:49,
Tell where I lied. I only post as The Fleet Fox. Just because I agree with him sometimes doesn't make me so often come to his defense. Again, name one time where I lied.
FF
At 5:34 p.m.
You prove that you don't have anything to back you accusations 10:38. This is like arguing mathematics with a child that hasn't started elementary school.
FF
Fleet Fox
You sure do use the same verbage as DAW did. Any relation by any chance or are you one and the same? I think so.
I thought I was the only one that noticed DAW and the FF are the same.
I don't know DAW. I have read his posts in the past and agree with most of what he says. Since he stopped posting I felt that someone needed to step up. I guess you thought wrong on this one.
FF
Fleet
Thank you for having the courage to stand against these people. They just can't stand it that you do.
You have my support.
Your so courageous DAW I mean Fleet Fox.
I just heard that the county Christmas party will be held tonight at First National Bank. I was wondering if a representative from CAVE will be there with cameras rolling and to create a disturbance if possible?
Too bad. I am fairly certain that Barrett and his followers are not welcome.
Since public funds will be used for this little extravaganza does that mean all citizens are invited?
Why would public funds be used for this? Is it for anyone in the county or just court house employees. If the commissioners are there enabler be sure to notice if Pollard's shoes are tied.
Anytime the commissioners meet (for a county meeting not party), I hope Barrett is there with his camera rolling and let us see who don't know how to act.
that would be Barrett, that doesn't know how to act. He has proven it too many times. I'm suprised someone hasn't knocked him out. I think now they all just laugh rather than get upset.
7:43 Then why can't just laugh instead of getting so upset?
Don't say you don't get up set, your postings prove you do.
I did a typo too. Meant to say Why can't you just laugh.
6:41
The county Christmas party is not funded with public monies, and barrett and the enablers of strife were NOT invited. If you don't believe that, call and ask Mrs. Vanzant or any of the commissioners, and please stop trying to stir up trouble. By the way, I am the one that lie was told on that I enable wrongdoings, and we both know who told it.
Now, as for Tommy Pollard, you need to just give it up. I have the utmost respect for Tommy, and you are way off base.
I keep hearing you all try to defend any words that may have not been so postitive about Tommy Pollard, but the fact remains that everytime I have heard him speak at meetings he comes across as uneducated. The not being able to tie his shoe remark was off-color but he is like several of the other commissioners, they don't need to be making decisions for the county. You can't not vote for something the county needs just because it may hurt a few feelings. That is why the county is in the shape it's in.
I think Tommy Pollard is asking the right questions at present concerning the situation.
10:20 Mr educated one, the commissioners have been made up of farmers and other no college graduates over the years and they did a better job of running the county than now.
I don't know all the commissioners but do know Bill Holt has a college degree, how many more do?
How dare you look down on anyone that don't have the education you do.
Any one may be on top of the world know, but anything could happen and they couldn't send their child to college.
It's 11:57 again. I don't know Tommy Pollard or how he talks, but someone being so much smarter than anyone else and looks down on them gets to me just like when Barrett says something about the elected officials gets to the Christian gentleman.
Was somebody kidding? Why would a county Christmas party be held at First National Bank?
It was help upstairs in the community room of the First National Bank.
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