Decision On New Financial Management Director Due Today?
At eight this morning the Financial Management Committee, made up of Charirman Commissioner Campbell, Highway Supervisor Barry Hyatt, School Director Tee Jackson, County Executive Janet Vanzant, Commissioners Pollard, Pope and Flacy, is scheduled to meet and decide who will be the new County Financial Management Director
posted by Allen Barrett | 7:50 AM
156 Comments:
The odds of Mrs Moore the current acting director, will be appointed the new Director has gotten even more
interesting after a very well rehearsed interview that revealed far less qualifications than other applicants but a very favorable reception by four committee members.
Will it be another case of "best fit" over most qualified I predict yes by a vote of four to three.
Or will this be another case of someone being encouraged to sue the county again?
The only reason to sue is because proper procedures were not followed in a fair and unbiased manner
I hope Beth gets the job. She is a great person. She is also smart and professional.
Barrett wouldn't recognize any of those attributes. You are going to push someone over the edge pretty soon Barrett. You might want to tighten those gossiping lips of yours.
And every one was stating how great a person Loretta Garner was and where is she? We need best qualified in that position. Do we need another missing 2.7 million dollars that is not missing? When peoples jobs depend on accurate accounting and misplaced decimals can have enormous consequences then we need the best qualified and not the best fit in that position.
Did Ms Moore get appointed? What is her salary?
Were the list of applicants ever even publicized?
Congratulations to the new Financial Manager Ms. Beth Moore.
The vote was just as I called it then Barry Hyatt changed his vote to make it five to two. Chairman Campbell expressed disappointment that it had not been unanimous.
A salary of $60,000 a year was suggested but the Chairman and County Executive countered with $65.000.00 a year, it was agreed to and accepted by Ms. Moore.
I spoke with Ms. Moore after the meeting and expressed that while she was not my first choice she was the new director and I would support her in every way I could.
Her expressed committment to an open dialogue is very encouraging and I look forward to her being very successful in a very difficult situation.
Barrett..
Did you actually walk up to Ms. Moore and tell her that, among other things, she was not your first choice? What a laugh. I'll bet she thought who cares who YOUR first choice was. Outrageous.
Yes, she will be in a most difficult situation and will most likely earn every dime of her salary because of those who want to make trouble. I sorta feel sorry for her.
who voted against Ms. Moore?
Fortunately, the voters of the 7th District made sure Barrett does not have a choice in these important matters.
11:43 why wouldn't I have done that? A responsible person has the right and obligation to express their beliefs about those things that impact their life, when a decision is made it then becomes a simple matter to supporting that position.
Ms. Moore was not the best qualified, having very little leadership experience, but she was the one chosen and I have wished her well and will support her as long as that support is justified.
She can do the job if there is no undo interference from those seeking unsavory privileges and influence.
Perhaps they should have given the job to a "proven" leader like you? LOL
Did Barrett apply or are you just hate mongering 2:03?
Hate mongering as usual, 3:48.
The hate just oozes out with the lies when ever the suggestion of anything Barrett comes up.
Mr Barrett
I was wondering if you resent females who have power in our county? It looks like it to me (my opinion).
Barrett can't manage his own life. How can he imply that he knows who or what is best for the county? Beth should have slapped the shit out of him. God knows he is so full of it that it constantly runs out of his mouth.
Hey there ain't nothing but females in every office of the courthouse so if anybody has a problem with one that automatically makes them having a problem with females don't it.
I have a little trouble managing my life to but I know when I don't have no more money to stop spending and I know when I person blows six million in reserves because they can't make and manage a budget they got a bigger problem than me.
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It seems you may have had some trouble managing to pass 3rd grade english 6:34.
It your fixed costs are higher than your income you either have to dip into your savings or get a higher paying job. That is about as simple an explanation there is. It has been a very long time since Giles County raised taxes. We are due!
It is disheartening to see how many ignorant people live in this county. Even worse to know they follow the ignorance of allen barrett.
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7:04 must be a government employee or elected official because you control your variable costs so you can cover your fixed. You know don't give bonuses and raises when the tax payers can not afford it. We don't need a tax increase.We need smarter managers of our tax dollars.
7:08 then get back in your kitchen. your hubby is probably waiting on his dinner. Chop, chop.
Our county really needs a strong financial director now. I hope that this one is better than our last one.
Knowing who did the interviewing and hiring, I'm quite certain that we did not do a good job with the process.
Knowing that you have shit for brains is makes your opinion void 7:21. I just wish some of you had a clue as to how sad of an excuse you are to be breathing the same air as the rest of us. Giles County is full of idiots and most of them moved here from another state.
7:59 I'm just curious to know what makes you think that your brains are any better than mine?
And what makes you think that my opinion should be void?
I have worked in this system and with these clowns before. I know what is going on. Do you?
Would you agree that our present financial situation is not good? And that we need a strong financial director? Would you consider those who did the hiring as unbiased, educated, etc. I think you know better than that.
If any of the commissioners that are on the committee read this. Your an idiot along with Tee Jackson, Barry Hyatt and whoever else that put Beth in. She did't want the job. How much plainer could she have made it by not applying in the first go round. She is a wonderful person, but not set up for the job. Tee knew how the vote was going to go because he had already replaced Beth. Well here we go again, and nothing has changed. Now school board hire another moron like TEE.
7:04 Who didn't pass 3rd grade English. Think English is suppose to be capital.
As for telling somebody to get a higher paying job this day and time is silly. There are people out there that use to have a higher paying job and lost it because of on fault of his own. Jobs aren't easy found now.
So when is the Financial Management Department going to release the results of the State Comptroller Office's audit on Giles County's ledger?
To those of you who claim that Giles County has not raised the property tax rate for a long time...................Why is it we no longer have a $6.5 million General Fund Reserve? AND, why is it the current Commission has gone against their own resolution not to use the Hospital Fund money and are now spending that fund?
I guess if I had $8 million I could get by without raising taxes.
I believe there was a bunch of people
not long ago asking people to honk their horns to defeat a tax increase the commissioners were trying to get, now with the outragous reevaluation of property the county has more money coming in than with a tax increase.
you don't have to have a tax increase when your property has been appraised
higher than the sky. look at the paper at how low houses are selling for compared to their appraisal thanks to McGill and his buddies from Nashville.
Congratulations to Ms. Moore. I hope she is able to stand strong and not bow to pressure of our crooked politicians that will no doubt pressure her to do bad accounting.
Your post is completely false 8:00. The county generated no new revenue from the appraisals.
11:50 I've heard some say their property tax didn't go up after appraisal and some say theirs did, strange. If the appraisal was higher than before why didn't they have to pay more and the county generate more money?
How can you even say that, 11:50? If they inflated everyone's appraisal the way they did mine, there has to be some money somewhere. Try to sell your house for anywhere close to what bluegill says it's worth.
They lowered the tax rate so the tax burden didn't change. The county can't generate any more tax revenue than it did the year before. This has been explained many times on here and in the paper.
1:33 They can't generate any more tax revenue or didn't? Sounds like they weren't allowed to generate any more.
Look at the budget and you'll see that more property tax was generated this year than last. They said there would be no increase and the law states there can be no increase but the truth is in the numbers plain and simple.
Good luck and best wishes to Mrs. Moore. I do hope that she is able to standup to the County Executive and the Commission and tell them "No over spending of County Funds".
I hope she is able to stand up to the troublemakers
CG
Your so called toublemakers are not the ones over spending tax payer money.
And they can't stand it that the voters of Giles County do not want them or their candidates to be in charge of our money. How frustrating it must be to think you have all the answers and nobody asks you a question.
So 1:33, it must just be a misprint that my taxes are more this go around than last year? Incredible how you always spread lies.
11:44 I've heard several others say their taxes were more this year than last. If the county didn't get more money could it be some got their tax lowered so the county wouldn't get more money or has someone lied?
1:15, strong chance of the latter, but the former's not out of the question. It has to be one or the other.
I'm new to the blog, so could someone tell me what Ms Moore did before becoming over the Finance Department.
From what I've been reading I can't figure out did she work at the Director of schools office or was she already working at the Finance Department?
Just wondering.
Welcome to the blog 3:56
To answer your question, she started at the schools department and was moved to the Financial Management office after a struggle to get the school system in compliance with the Financial Management Act of 1981. As she moved to Finance Mr Jackson gave her a $4,000.00 pay increase that was first described as a bonus then after more investigation it was revealed to be a pay increase for attaining her CPA that was several years ago and she still does not have a CPA but now states she is working on a government accounting certification. Later it was claimed the extra money was for being the asst. director. At the Financial Management Office she continued to work solely with the schools, this was stated at a finance committee meeting as the reason she knew little about the budget process and allowed Doug Bodary from CTAS to explain the problem the county is in financially.
I for one am hope she will be able to overcome her shortcomings and get the budget under control, but even with the best effort when the big spenders start manipulating the job becomes near impossible for any but the firmest.
Why would they want a CPA in a position that oversees every penny coming through the county? That does not make good sense when what we need is some one that is not advanced in their field and can be trained the Giles County way and not the proper way.
Her shortcomings? How can you be so arrogant? Aren't you judging? Do you think a "man of God" should be doing that?
So 6:50, you don't see the lack of being a certified CPA -- in the position she is now in -- to be a shortcoming? My damn, man, what would you call it then?
How is it being "judgemental" to state a fact? Shouldn't the FMD understand the budget? Again, it would seem that your hatred of WAB is making you blind to the facts.
Run Forest, run like the wind.
To the 1101 post, you keep saying the voters do t want them of their candidates in office, presumably the 7th district because that's the one Mr B ran for and lost. Well here's some information to think about. Saying the voters don't want them is sadly a generalization that may be incorrect. I am a voter, but I am not in that district. So not necessarily true that ALL voters don't want them. Especially when you consider the questionable circumstances with how the voter qualifications shook out. Notice that is NOT a pot shot at any of the sitting 7th commissioners. Like it or not that whole situation did was a joke. So feel free to not speak for me as a voter, just because a district doesn't vote for someone or people who question the junk that is so rampant in the governmental dealings.
8:26
Yes, it's judgmental to arrogantly presume that just because one hasn't attained the highest level of formal education needed for a job does NOT mean the person would be incompetent to do that job. I'm sure you know as well as I do thjat some indibiduals with a high school diploma are much better teachers than those with a Masters Degree. And that was NOT a slam against teachers. Some people have gotten a teaching certificatye only to discover that they could not teach. You can argue with that, but it's true. So, YES, he was being judgmental. And I'm sure he made yet another devoted friend by making such a remark about her.
The truth isn't always pleasant, cg, but it needs to be told. If she is being paid as if she has her certification, then she needs to have it for her job.
You can turn a blind eye to this as well, but you know it's the truth.
I don't know Mrs.Moore, but nothing I saw written spoke of her character, just her lack of knowledge needed for the job.
I also did not see where B presumed anything. He simply stated facts. If you must have the financial problems of the county explained to you, it's possible you may not be ready for that particular job.
Giles County has been promoted over the last couple of decades as "The Land of Milk and Honey" making it appealing for the retirement aged community. What do retireers have: money and property. What do retirees not have: school aged children. Where does the primary source of funding for the Giles County school system come from outside of state and federal funds: property tax.
Now why would anybody who has no vested interest in the public school system care about supporting it with increased property taxes?
The are very few job opportunities for the young people in this county. There is only one manufacturer in this county that produces a durable good. The other manufacturers produce goods that are highly dependent on the mood of the national economy which has been highly depressed for the last 6 years. The remaining businesses are basically service industries or local supportive economies.
If you want some thing, you've got to pay for it. If what you are doing isn't getting you the results you want you've got to change things and set your course in a different direction.
What do you want to do Giles County - continue to beat each other up or find a solution?
10:06 10:26
Go back and read what I said about the teacher example. There are some individuals who have no college preparation who are far better teachers what those with PhD degrees. You like facts. That's a fact.
Now, speaking of the land of milk and honey, I can't stand the idea that Dan Speer wants to keep this a retirement community and run all our kids off as soon as they are old enough to leave. I see that as unforgiveable. However, if you don't like it here, you can always move away as well. Just don't come back.
6:50 Are you saying she does not have shortcomings and if she doesn't have shortcomings then doesn't that make her perfect?
Haven't you said that no one is perfect? Is saying you hope a person can overcome their shortcomings anymore judging than saying a person is perfect? Once again you have allowed your hate for Barrett to make you look stupid.
9:43 said, "I'm sure you know as well as I do thjat some indibiduals with a high school diploma are much better teachers than those with a Masters Degree"
Then today at 7:34 that person says, "There are some individuals who have no college preparation who are far better teachers what those with PhD degrees. You like facts. That's a fact."
Trying to put those statements together and understand what they are saying was difficult but finally I see their point as being "you don't have to have an education above high school to be a great teacher". My question is where can you find a government school teacher of any level that has only a high school education?
It's like gas at the BP station is only $1.39 a gallon while it's $3.54 across the street for the same thing, so which station will you get your gas from? The caveat is the station with $1.39 gas is closed. The point is no matter how good a teacher you may be, without the credentials you don't get the job and that is a fact.
8:28
I thought that was a simple enough example for you to wrap your mind around and of course extrapolate. I was wrong.
Ok, the biggest and most athletic and powerful hitter on a baseball team may hit 3 homeruns in a season whereas a smaller and noticeably less athletic player may be the homerun leader. How about that one? It's really a simple concept.
cg, do either one of those players have to be taught how to play baseball? Get real.
Ray Lanier
So you moved from having high school only educations for the best teachers to athletics.
How about this you take the best educated with the best experience record and give them the job and if they can't do it fire them instead of hiring some less qualified "best fit", (slang for family or friend) and carrying them for the rest of their lives.
11:44
No, best fit means the applicant most suited for the job in terms of relevant experience, education, and ability to get along with others in the work setting. Education is important, but not the only factor. One would also consider such things as health and previous work history. Would you hire someone who has a history of constantly being in a fuss with co-workers or one who had been convicted of a past felony just because that individual had the higher degree? I wouldn't. I would look for the one who would fit in with the work environment. Ok?
7:34
You state "There are some individuals who have no college preparation who are far better teachers what those with PhD degrees. You like facts. That's a fact."
I would like you to name one example.
Maybe in a daycare facility you might have a point. Common sense tells you pertaining to any advanced subject matter you are wrong. Arts and crafts for toddlers you might be right.
But as far as advanced subject matter a person with no college prep in the courses being taught is not going to be able to explain the concepts better than one actually educated in the subject matter. Why? Because they do not have the knowledge or skills to teach the course.
The financial management office is not a daycare and we need the best qualified in those positions.
If you give a person a higher salary than their qualifications state they are worth, and they know they will not be able to find employment elsewhere at that rate, because they do not carry the qualifications to demand that salary, Then that person will do a lot to try to keep that pay, perhaps not buck the system.
I just don't get it...Ms. White was not hired into the position as the director because she did not have a CPA, she in turned sued the county and we paid her $70,000. dollars, might I add she is a black woman. Ms. Garner was hired to the position as she does have a CPA, a required...Ms. Garner is white. So what I am getting from this is if your white you don't have to have a CPA? The promise of "I will get it in six month is garbage! The facts are the facts and should apply to all, black and white. You would not let a man practice medicine on you who said "Oh I will have my license in six months...I would turn around and walk out...Either this position requires a CPA, or it does not. If it does not then why did Ms. White get her seventy thousand from us? Get real people!!! There are some crooked people in that court house, this is clear!!!
12:23
You know as well as I do that there are those rare individuals who are just natural-born teachers. And there are also those individuals who may hold a teaching degree who cannot teach. You don't need an example to understand that.
12:37
Name the crooks and sign your name. This is your chance to be bold.
yes I do because I have never witnessed what you claim in your opinion 2:31.
You need an example of something that simple? You are surely smarter than that.
2:31 If you define a crook as one who engages in fraudulent practices, is not fully straight I would be glad to name some.
We can start with Mrs Vanzant who showed a tremendous amount of crookedness when she manipulated and changed the will of the commission on the change of distance for selling beer near churches, schools and public gathering places. When you consider
Dan Watson writing articles for the newspaper in his government office when he is being paid by the county to control waste management including recycling, while the recycling area is atrocious and continually losing money.
Roger Strickland when he was being paid by the county but cutting the grass at the post office while on the county clock.
Terry Harwell who is double dipping when he is being paid by the county, and complaining about being over worked, yet is also being paid by the county to attend commissioner committee meetings, interesting that he has attended far more meetings since on the county payroll than at anytime previously.
Whoever is responsible for not filing charges against the person who stole the computer and tires from the Emergency Management Department, when the evidence and the thief were readily available.
Mrs. Bassham when she denied any knowledge of how a statement of withdrawal was accepted by her office without a date, time or name of an official who accepted it. This was after she testified all official documents coming into her office are logged in with a time stamp and initial of the person accepting the document.
Everyone who was involved in the great lie last year that the budget had to be approved by 31 July or else the ambulances would have to be parked, employees would not get paid, schools would be closed, etc.
That should be sufficient for starters, I will add more if you sign your name on your response to this post.
You forgot Allen Barrett who lied about having video evidence of someone tampering with his campaign signs and had to pay money to keep the offended person from pushing Barrett into bankruptcy for such lie.
Actually, I would put him at the top of your fraud list.
Barrett
Looks like you are about ready to be drug back into court. If anyone deserves it, I believe it's you. How dare you! Yes or No...are you calling these individuals crooks?
If one of these people sues you, will you claim that someone else wrote the 4:40 entry? Just asking. Yes, I suppose you forgot about the McAlister settlement.
I noticed he didn't say anything about David Rackley. Why is that, Barrett?
I noticed neither of the cowardly weasels signed their names to their attacks on Barrett.
Why would he deny he wrote it if he signed his name dunce? That's one of the things that makes Barrett more credible than you and that's what you can't handle being such a coward.
When did David Rackley start working in the courthouse?
I didn't realize that to be a victim of the attack required one to work at the courthouse. And you miss the point about his possibly denying that he m,ade the above accusations if push came to shove in a court of law.
5:09
I suppose you just forgot that Barrett attacked several people in his most recent rant above.
5:04, 5:05, 5:17 & 5:29, you can't sue someone for telling the truth. I promise y'all B has proof of what he has stated. There isn't the first attack in Mr. Barrett's post, simply a list of facts.
If you don't want to be labeled as enablers, stop enabling. Faith is a wonderful trait unless it is blind.
I am grateful there is somewhere for folks to read actual, provable information that they might otherwise never know about.
Now go ahead and say what you want to about me. Just be prepared to back it up with proof.
Ray Lanier
Ray
I made the 5:29 post, and it is my opinion that he attacked those individuals.
Now, as for you, I have never once accused you of anything. In fact, I think you have the potential for being a pretty cool guy. That could be considered a compliment from me to you.
The question was about crooks in the courthouse read 12;37 and 2:31.
What Barrett did was answer the challenge with those he thinks (his opinion wouldn't you say enablers) are crooks and put his name on it unlike you cowards that attack and attack in the darkness.
What Barrett did was not attack anyone but simply tell some examples of the crookedness that takes place in the courthouse.
Ray is a complete moron. He and Barrett are in a race for fool of the county. Possibly the only race either could win. It has been proven over and over and over again that Barrett is on the losing end of every debate. I don't know why you folks pay him any attention.
7:01 He made some pretty specific accusations, and I would think he had better be prepared to prove them. It wouldn't surprise me if these individuals filed a joint suit against him. Frankly, I hope they do. That's my opinion, and I'm certainly entitled to it.
One thing is certain, Barrett is clueless about law. He has gotten steamrolled by the courts in the last year or two.
You just have to wonder how many times it takes for someone to learn a lesson? What is the definition of insanity? Could someone look that up for us and post it?
Ray, I am sure you know the what it means. You know, considering you have that huge brain and all.
I read Barrett's post. Isn't he accusing these people of fraud? I hope they all sue him.
8/23 7:34 AM
If you are scared of intelligence, then say you're scared.
Please refer to the State's audit for the County's fiscal year ending June 30, 2011, i.e. FY 2010.
http://www.comptroller1.state.tn.us/repository/CA/2011/Giles.pdf
Mr. Barrett in regards to your post of 8/23 4:40 PM
The audit identifies the financial loss of $1500 from the Giles County Management Office in the previous fiscal year, as well as, the theft of a laptop and tires reported to the police on January 12, 2010. (See pg. 35 of the audit report.) The suspect of the theft of the laptop and tires was indicated to have left the state. These losses are less than the insurance deductible and the dollar amount was not expected to be recovered.
However, I find it interesting to note that Finding 11.02 on page 150 states:
"Salaries exceeded appropriations in 32 payroll line-item accounts in the General Purpose School and School Federal Projects funds by amounts ranging from $2 to $119,534."
This would mean that the shortage of funding for FY 2010 had already occurred at the time of the audit and without any changes those shortages continued into FY 2011 and 2012 that as a result generated the layoffs that the County's education system has suffered this current fiscal year out of necessity.
Ooops.
Tell me that something is not broke here.
The thing you folks are overlooking is that what Barrett has claimed is very easy to prove either true or false. How about instead of attacking Barrett just show where he is wrong wouldn't that be the Christian thing to do?
The first thing is very clearly true, I was there when Vanzant changed the commissioners vote so the distance could be changed. That is fact without any wiggle room.
11:55 This post has nothing to do with Ms. Moore, understand!
Are you saying some of the other people that applied for the Finance job had a prevues felon and can't get along with people or were you saying that about the one sued the county and got seventy thousand dollars?
I do not know Ms Moore or any of the others that applied.
Where has a person been hired to teach school in this day and time without a college education?
Many years ago they were hired with a high school education. Don't a substitute teacher now have to have a degree if they can find one that does to substitute?
10:13
At least two of the things Barrett charged are simply not true. In other words, they are lies. I don't know enough about the others to say one way or the other. Why does he do that?
Don't you find it rather comical that he forgot to mention the Clay McAlister situation? How can you defend such behavior?
10:35
I would like to address your comments and attempt to clear up some misunderstandings for you.
First of all, NOBODY said that any of the applicants were convicted felons or hard to get along with. That was given merely as an example and had nothing to do with the case you mentioned.
NOBODY said that teachers are hired these days who do not have a college education. You miss the simple point that some who lack the formal education are much better teachers than those who hold college degrees. Almost all students can tell you that they have had subs who were much better than their teachers ever were.
Speaking of substitute teachers, please allow me to enlighten you on that. Substitue teachers only need a high school diploma to be able to work in our schools. The irony of it all is that we have seasoned and experienced retired teachers who are more than willing to be substitutes, but guess what?
They rarely get called. It's a buddy type situation, and the ones who are subbing the most do not have formal education beyond high school.
You are right 7:02 "nobody" said those things.
You are also right that the whole substitute system is built like most other government jobs on buddy system. I've known highly qualified teachers who are never called to sub yet a commissioner with less qualifications and experience is called often.
6:37 enlighten us about which two things claimed are not true. If I read the question right it was to name those in the courthouse does Mc Alister now work in the courthouse, was that his reward for trying to take Barrett down?
7:33
Asinine.
Well, it looks like the same old pattern continues, attacking the messenger instead of the message. I offered some very specific statements about crookedness in the courthouse and signed my name. This was in response to a specific challenge to name names of those in the courthouse involved in crookedness.
One person claims I was wrong about two of those specific things but offered nothing to support that claim, not willing to even identify the two examples they claimed was wrong.
Why is it that something so clearly stated and so strongly rebuked has nothing offered to prove it is wrong? The fact is those are well documented things that can not be disputed with any reasonable evidence and that's why those who support and enable such behavior are so quick to personal attacks.
I said nothing about Mr. McAlister because he does not have a regular job in the courthouse as far as I know. I have much to say about the situation with Mr. McAlister's comments in last week's paper, that will appear in this coming week's edition.
Look, maybe we can save some time by just saying there is nothing a big mouth coward can say about me that is of any interest to me. People who know me know the truth and those like the enablers of the county who hide in the closet and spew their venomous, mindless, hate
while hiding under the rock of anonymity are far too insignificant to be considered. Deniers of the truth don't change the truth they only create more harm from the lie.
10:11 posted a very clear violation that was uncovered by the state yet it is completely ignored just as it was when the audit first came out. Why, isn't there any criticism of those who caused this problem and benefited from it?
Barrett
Well don't be surprised if one or more of them sues you over this.
Barrett
I just had a thought after I had made the above post. Are you the one who anonymously posted that challenge to name the crooks in the courthouse? I'm not accusing you, but I would like to know. Did you or not?
7:30
Well excuse me. I didn’t mean for you to get your drawers in a wad.
A few years ago a principal at one of Giles county schools wanted the substitute to have some college education if they substituted for his school Preferring a retired teacher. I thought by now that was a requirement instead of having a baby sitter.
I'm proud you admitted there is a buddy system in Giles County.
Why post a fairy tale if it’s not true.?
That left it looking it must fit one of them.
Anonymous said...
11:44
No, best fit means the applicant most suited for the job in terms of relevant experience, education, and ability to get along with others in the work setting. Education is important, but not the only factor. One would also consider such things as health and previous work history. Would you hire someone who has a history of constantly being in a fuss with co-workers or one who had been convicted of a past felony just because that individual had the higher degree? I wouldn't. I would look for the one who would fit in with the work environment. Ok?
Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:55:00 AM
Barrett did not post the challenge to name the crooks in the courthouse you did enabler.
11:23
I believe that question was directed to Barrett and not to you.
So the enabler/cg don't want anyone to answer his post. I wonder why he only answered the question if Mr. McAlister worked in the courthouse with his only one big word.
He just can't see he is the cause of a lot of trouble. He/she just stirs and stirs.
1:17
Actually, I think he is trying to get the troublemaking stopped.
Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:00:00 PM. thank you for not taking it personally.
Todd Masterson ( really? ), you would need to bow out of that race before anyone else would have a chance.
Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:15:00 PM, thanks for noticing. I have to agree, it is pretty impressive.
I have to agree with Mr.B, it seems to be the same old song and dance when it comes to y'all having proof. I believe everything he said can be easily disproved, if it's not true. I haven't seen the least bit of evidence pointing to the falseness of his statements as of yet. If anyone has any actual facts -- not opinions -- that what he is saying is untrue, I would be interested in seeing it. If not, that's kind of what I expected.
Ray Lanier
Oh please, 1:21, everyone knows you are cg. You can't hide, your comments are too recognizable.
I would like one thing answered...Did the position for the director position require a CPA or not? If it was not, then why was Ms. White paid the 70.000?
1:36
Why don't you stop trying to cause trouble?
CG why don't you stop tryng to be intellegent? You're just too stupid!!
That would be INTELLIGENT. I'm sure it was just a typo on your part.
CG = Christian Gentleman is also a typo
CG = whiner, complainer, liar (by his own admission) all around enabler of wrong doing. Actually enabler is incorrect since it denotes that CG is a leader. CG is too dumb to be a leader’ he is, instead a complacent follower of Janet Parker Vanzant and in incapable of staying on any blog subject. Incapable of answering any question, simple or otherwise, especially if said question goes against his sensitivities. And, finally; resorts to “why don’t you call them” when backed into a corner regarding the actions or inactions of any county official.
3:46
Why don't you move? Just don't come back.
In regards to the duties and responsibilities required to be practiced by Mr. Barry Whitt …. He is in full and complete compliance.
There is no job description, no position description, no periodic review, no oversight by any County Commission Committee (he answers only to the County Executive) and no review of his budget other than by the County Executive.
Since there are no published duties and/or requirements; he must therefore do nothing! And, that is exactly what he does…..nothing. Jeremy, his deputy is the only person in that office that has any computer skills, and writing skills, any planning skills, any financial skills. And yet the budget for the Giles County Office of Emergency Management has grown from $2,900.00 in 2004 to well over $140.000.00 today.
Even though Mr. Barry Whitt is not doing anything, he is doing something right. At least he is being paid very well …… and don’t forget the paid overtime!
YO CG ... Now that is a very intelligent responce. I have moved (actually over 5 years ago) and no longer am a resident of Giles County.
Why doI continue to post about you? Because shooting at easy targets is fun.
1:21 How do you get trouble making stopped when you post something that makes others mad? You need to learn a better way. lol
I knew better than to ask a simple question. CPA or not? All this blog is BS...nothing real..no questions answered just a blog to complain and point fingers at others. Just because one person does not believe the way you do they are wrong. Every one has an opinion, that is our right as Americans, and freedom of speech is just that.I know there is under handed business at the court house, that seems to be the way of all Americans anymore. Just cover it up, and lie like dogs...There is no such thing as truth any more. I have to pay for what I do, and trust me so do the rest of you, wrong is wrong, and right is right....
I don't think any one knows. The previous time they posted for the job it did state they wanted a CPA and gave a list of qualifications they lied but said they would choose from the best qualified of the applicants even if they did not have all the qualifications. White was not called back in for an interview even though she had more qualifications than others that applied.
This time I do not believe they listed qualifications for the position. You would think they would want a CPA at minimum in that position but apparently that was not the focus.
3:57
Well do Giles County a favor and don't move back. We are getting along just fine without you.
Yeah, our elected officials have fleeced the citizens and stolen their hard earned money and will continue to do so. That is the Giles County way and we call that getting along fine.
8:32
Well come on and be brave. Name those you are accusing and then sign your name. I thought you guys were all about doing away with anonymous posts? Yes or no?
I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part that you posted anonymously as well.
What CAVE doesn't seem to understand is that every department is audited and results are published. Or do they understand it all too well and just want to keep people stirred up?
What cg can't seem to understand is his silly post keep people stirred up.
My opinion is if he/she stopped posting the blog would die.
Then what would cg do?
He only keeps CAVE stirred up because he disagrees with them on almost every issue. That doesn't make him wrong.
what do the letters CAVE stand for?
The State audit determines if and only if the books balance and that purchases have been conducted according to State law. There is NO AUDIT as to why money was spent. There is NO AUDIT regarding fiscal soundness. There is NO AUDIT if the County Executive wishes to pay overtime to her buddies who are salaried employees and should not receive overtime.
Call and discuss the matter with Mrs. Vanzant or with your commissioners.
12:56 That is simply not true. Obviously you have never read a county audit.
Then answer this ???? why has not the State Audit team found and reported that Mrs. Janet Parker Vanzant demanded, authorized, and paid a salaried Department head overtime pay when a salaried employee is not to receive overtime pay???
Why has not the State Audit team discovered that the County Commission has ignored their own resolution "County Law" and have wrongfully used Hospital Funds????
Why has not the State Audit team discovered and reported that Giles County has (for the past four years) over paid the Continuing Effort budget funding to the school system when the system enrollment has been decreasing.
Or are you going to fold over and state your usual "That is not true".
4:00
Please refer to the State's audit for the County's fiscal year ending June 30, 2011, i.e. FY 2010. This is the last audit whose results have been released.
The link is:
http://www.comptroller1.state.tn.us/repository/CA/2011/Giles.pdf
I cannot find the term "Hospital Fund" ever used in the report. What term is used to refer to the "Hospital Fund" audit report?
4:00
Why has not you discovered the Wage and hour laws.
Why has not you discovered that a county resolution does not carry the weight of law.
Why has not you discovered that just because you can reduce the continuing effort due to lost enrollment does not mean that you have too.
Why has not you educated yourself instead of blaming others....
Saturday To 9:42 PM
State wage law does not allow salaried employees to receive overtime pay. So does the Giles County personal procedures. Janet P. Vanzant declared that Mr. Whitt was an hourly employee and therefore deserves overtime. Once the overtime was granted she declared that he was a department head and therfore salaried.
If County resolutions are not law, then why have them?????? It is a waste of time
So you admit that this county government is wasting money and ignoring fiscal responsibility?
There are members of the County Commission that spent much of their time creating ways to do what they waht to do regardless of the law and their own resolutions.
I did not creat this, the CountyExecutive and the Commission created this mess. I am just speaking about it and making the issue public.
I guess you would rather that we all ignore what is happening and continue to believe that we are doing well and all is good, and that the average citizen should just keep their mouth shut because the good old boy system knows what is best .... when in fact this County is running out of money and our tax base is decreasing, our school system is spending more than anyother county around us and the EDC is doing little to nothing.
6:55
Look, why don't you march right up to Mrs. Vanzant's office in the morning and ask her about all this? You could then drop over and vist Barry Whitt.You also might talk with your commissioners.
The truth of the matter is that there's just not enough money to pay the bills. Take off your blindfold and look at the real picture. This is going on in several of our counties. In fact, it's happening in many states. Oh, but you want to point fingers and call people "corrupt" who are trying to do what's best for this county.
I would challenge you and the other troublemakers again. Pick up a hammer and help build rather than a crowbar to tear down. Why can't you do that? Stop listening to the voice of hate and utter jealousy.
There use to be an excess fund of $6,500,000.00 in 2004 and there use to be a reserve Hospital Fund of $15,000,000.00.
Just not enough money to pay the bills??????
When you do not have enough money to pay your bills, you reduce your spending????? or, do you just take money from others and continue to increase your personal spending????
Why cannot the County reduce their spending???????
What time is Mrs. Vanzant in her office? I have gone there several times, over the last 3 months, and she is never there or not available. Only her secretary is there (sometimes), and dispite her nice smile and personality, she does not know anything or will not answer any questions.
It seems that Mrs. Vanzant would prefer to ignore the general public than stand out in public and answer direct questions. I do admit that some questions might be uncomfortable and that some answers may be very difficult; but, why does she not have the guts to admit that she does not know all the answers but will attempt to find out what the answer is??? She prefers to hind in a closet and hope that public questions will just fade away, swept under the rug or just ignored.
I have never heard her admit that she was wrong. And, boy has she been wrong in some of her mandates.
7:38
Stop lying and go see Mrs. Vanzant. She's usually there before 8 a.m. Just stop lying.
To 6:55
Just because a person is "salaried" does not make them exempt under Wage and Hour laws - federal laws I might add - not state laws.
County Resolutions are not law and only the commission can enforce their on resolutions.
If you are asking me if I think the current commission and school board know what they are doing I would answer no to the commission and maybe enlightened on the BOE. But they still have a long way to go.
What is shameful is the Hospital money that has been around for 30 years is going to be squandered because the commission does not raise taxes or institute a Wheel Tax. I for one would rather have a Wheel Tax and the $15 million in reserve. The current plan will spend about half of the $15 million and in a couple of years they will have to spend the rest. Eventually they will have to raise taxes anyway and the county will be without its nest egg.
Then everything can stop! Our poor grandchildren. I hope they have enough sense to leave Giles County before getting our debt.
Why has not you? Please!
5:56
The commissioners and executives inability to set budgets and work within them is nothing more than incompetence. If you overspend a million dollars a year for 7 years with out making cuts while continuing to expand government, continue hiring friends and family members, as opposed to qualified persons that results in wasting the citizens tax dollars is truly what is shameful.
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Where's that wheel tax when you nheed it?
Vote FOR the wheel tax !!!
5:30, I'm sure the commissioners will do just that. They're the only ones who get a vote.
Thank God we have them looking out for us, since 64% of us were too stupid to look out for ourselves.
Ray Lanier
Yo RAY
For once I totally agree with you; well maybe more than once
Thanks, 6:28, but you're probably making enemies just by saying that. Some folks don't like the truth.
Ray Lanier
“Ray Lanier said...
5:30, I'm sure the commissioners will do just that. They're the only ones who get a vote.
Thank God we have them looking out for us, since 64% of us were too stupid to look out for ourselves.
Ray Lanier
Monday, August 27, 2012 5:36:00 PM”
Mr. Lanier,
Thanks so much for reinforcing my position regarding the lack of need for a Charter form of government. Although your vote to defeat the said Charter was welcomed, admiration is extended to your point concerning commissioner responsibility. When the inside left ass pulling the wagon pulls against the team, delivery of the product is assured a failure. I applaud you for recognizing the proper voting procedures and allowing the government set forth by our founding fathers to prevail. As a self-proclaimed member of the 64%, greetings and salutations.
Mr. Barrett has been proven to be of negative persuasion as a spokesperson towards progressive ideas for Giles County. Insisting that the voters take a higher responsibility when electing county officials is paramount. Our current officials are not up to the task at hand however the voice of opposition is tarnished. Until a voice emerges that coincides with rational expectations, more of the same will endure.
Thoughts concerning identification of anonymous posters;
By utilizing mobile devices connected to unsecured hot-spot sources assures no detection or identification of my name or location. With free connection available throughout numerous providers I fail to understand one's actions in forwarding currency to a specific entity.
Klugscheißer
Excellent post 4:35
What progressive ideas are being implemented in Giles County? I would like to know so that I may support them.
Thanks
4:35 Just have a question about where those "progressive ideas" you speak of can be found?
Another question if you please where were you when Barrett was the only voice being raised at commissioner meetings and objections against the wasteful spending?
Maybe if he had more support he would not have become such a "negative voice". You come late to the party then wonder why everyone else is wore out.
Sometimes you read a post like 4:35 and you have to sit back in your chair with your hands behing your head and smile at how truthful it is.
It doesn't hurt when it takes a shot at Ray and Barrett.
I would throw a couple of insults back, but I'm quite sure they would go miles above your heads.
4:35, I'm really glad this blog is here. Otherwise you would have no venue in which to voice your dislike towards me, as telling me in person is something you obviously don't have the sack to do. There are many things worse than getting your ass kicked, such as having to live with the fact that you are a sniveling coward. I truly feel sorry for you.
Should you wake one day and find that you have grown a pair, let me know. I will be glad to continue this disscussion face-to-face. Ciao babe.
Ray Lanier
BTW, the above post applies to 7:18 as well. Didn't mean to leave you out, honey.
Ray Lanier
klug needs to learn what a imei is. Big Brother is watching and there are no guarantees of anything in the digital age. Everything leaves fingerprints.
Hell, 3:42, he's a self-titled smart-ass. Knowing that, where do you think his brains are? That's right.
Ray Lanier
At least he has a brain and common sense Ray.
Really? Where did you see evidence of that is his rambling post? He uses a lot of $2 words to say absolutely nothing.
If you find brains and common sense in that post, then you are evidently lacking in both.
Ray Lanier
You have proven my point Ray. It takes someone with brains and common sense to understand his post. Maybe he should start using 10 cent words when talking to you.
When someone identifies himself as a smart-ass why would anyone pay any attention to them?
I've read on here where some have been accused of talking down to readers because they used unfamiliar words or were considered to be
smart-alecks because they injected a little humor so when someone identifies them self as a smart ass ole cg and his gang of gossips give them instant credibility because they are in agreement with each other.
Is Klug not cg?
Mr. Lanier,
I seek reprieve of your ramblings regarding my penned response as to your self-proclaimed position of a published supporter towards the effort to deny the implementation of a Charter Form of Government for Giles County. By admission, coerced by none, your alignment with the majority helped defeat the Charter. I respectfully yield to words written by Ray Lanier; “Thank God we have them looking out for us, since 64% of us were too stupid to look out for ourselves.” I was under assumption that you were a Type D personality that conveyed only truthful and factual thoughts without error. Colour me mistaken.
$.25 words;
You ain't Rambo. You is the reason a charter form will not work. Right now I have the choice of electing officials who should be able to round up all the facts regarding policies and operations of the government. With a Charter I would have to rely on people who will not and cannot spend the time to qualify each issue based on set requirements vs needs vs wants. Hows the State of California working out for ya?
Mr. Barrett has done a fine job of telling people about government waste, manipulation of policies and procedures, and pointing out people who either lack the knowledge or the backbone to do whats in the best interest of the county. However, instead of posting the facts he has allowed himself the opportunity to express his personal opinions within the topic heading. If he wanted to add his opinion as the rest of us under the stated topic facts, then serious discussion would be enabled. He is using the same tactics as our news media. He is attempting to influence the discussion by topic heading. He is also operating off personal vendettas and agendas. I offer the heading “The Charter Failed, and The People Lost!“ as a example. “The Charter Failed” is the topic. “The People Lost” is his personal opinion. Actually it should be considered a lie because it cannot be proven as a lost. But it is his blog so he has the right to post whatever he wants.
We need new blood in government with progressive ideas. Currently any move to place new people or policies into effect will be defeated because of his association. Mathematically.
Klugscheißer
P.S. Imei is of no concern. You can identify the source of connection but without the device in which I respond, your identification would be erroneous.
Smart-ass, I had no trouble understanding your post but perhaps you did. I never aligned myself with the no-charter folks. If your was an attempt at sarcasm I fear you failed miserably. Sucks to be you, doesn't it?
Ray Lanier
You consistently align your self with the "no charter folks" Ray. Are you having trouble remembering which side you take? You should start exercising your brain as much as you do your mouth.
The guy is right. Anything associated with Barrett will fail. He can never reverse the negative opinions so many hold toward him. His followers should suggest he step in the shadows.
Dumbass at 5:11, kindly show where I have ever aligned my self with the lying no charter faction. You can't because it isn't there. Follow smart-asses lead if you wish, that just makes you both wrong.
Ray Lanier
I would much rather be alined with the truth and lose than line up with a lie just to win.
Well said, 11:38. We should all feel that way.
Ray Lanier
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