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posted by Allen Barrett | 6:17 PM
220 Comments:
Janet VanZant needs to resign next!
AMEN
The first domino has toppled. All you old boys that hung your hat on that rack are probally nervous. "Boys we're coming for you."
Where is the money? Tee and Loretta both gone?
Yea it looks slightly suspicious that these jokers are resigning without the money being found yet.
8:33 - I hope you are referring to some others within our school system that are long overdue for removal! Looks like the days of Mr Jackson sweeping some of the problems caused by one local school principal are finally over. Good Bye Tee! Now you can give up your rental apartment.
In the absence of having to pay Mr. Jackson his $97,000+ salary, maybe we can rehire the Spanish and Chemistry teachers at Richland High School that were let go.
Attention GC school board members - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE listen carefully to the grievance being filed by the teacher (this was postponed at today's mtg) There are many people that are afraid to speak up about this matter and it needs to be taken VERY seriously!! This would not be tolerated at any other company or business so it should not be happening in our school system. It has been a problem for many years at this specific school.
I sure am going to miss Mr. Jackson.
This would not have even been an issue if this would not have been moved to another school.
9:59 give me a call the problem can be fixed if you don't back down. I will keep your identity in strict confidence.
Tee got what he deserved. I think Bill Holt will be next.
11:50
Let's see who else might be added to the list besides Mrs. Vanzant and Bill Holt. How about ALL of the Seventh District commissioners, Barry Hyatt, Roy Griggs, Roger Strickland, Roger Reedy, Lucy Henson, Terry Harwell, and the ENTIRE election commission with the exception of Annelle Guthrie.
There are many others, but it's a bit early for a brainstorming session.
What everyone seems to forget is that some of these people were elected by the people therefore they are wanted by the majority. Get over it until the next election when you can put someone else in the running. Just don't have Barrett and his cohorts as your backers.
I just saw the announcement of Mr. Jackson's retirement on Channel 2 News. Anyone care to guess who called them?
Don't know 6:38 why don't you tell us since you seem to no so much.
10:21 - it would not have been an issue if the choice to move the teacher was decided FOR THE RIGHT REASON!! Many know exactly what was behind that decision(and who)!!!!!!!!!!!
If only WAB could resign as a citizen of Giles County now...
7:32
Why didn't whoever called Channel 2News ask them to also do a follow-up story on the Clay McAlister lawsuit? Will that be forthcoming? Just asking.
Well 629....maybe so in some cases, however, just because some were elected doesn't mean that it
Was or became a good choice, I believe the people of Germany actually chose Adolf Hitler? How'd that work out? Tragically.
Now before you start I am not comparing ANY mentioned to him AT ALL, just demonstrating that sometimes even elected folks can turn out to be a not so good choice for the people.
An boy- folks sure got things in a wad lashi g back because Tee resigned---
If Barrett had left Giles County like the cg/enabler suggest Tee never would have resigned, we would have every retired teacher double dipping and all the money would have disappeared without us regular folks even knowing about it.
Thanks Mr Barrett keep up the good work and get rid of all the crooks and liars.
Hey CG
How's about y'all helping Tee Jackson pack his one suitcase and carry it for him to Alabama?????
Oh YEA .... y'all can stay there with him
8:40, cg, Why don't you call channel 2, 4 & 5 and ask them to?
Well I'm glad that Alan Barrett puts this information out here for everyone. It really helps to know the real stuff going on in Giles County. I also believe that no one should get a raise until after they bring back all the Teacher's they have laid off. Now with Tee Jackson leaving maybe they can give his salary to the Teacher's they laid off.
9:44-12:10
You are really pouring it on thick. What a hoot.
Could be Barrett posting anonymously. LOL
9:44-
I posted at 8:04. I am neither the Enabler or CG, as you presume. I just recently started lookiing at this craziness on here. To suggest that WAB is responsible for Tee retiring/the county getting cleaned up--that's comical, at best.
12:36pm. I promise you it was not Alan Barrett that posted at 10:00am. The sad thing is ya'll are just mad because ya'll can't handle the truth. Alan Barrett tells it like it is. Keep up the good work Alan.
RUN TEE RUN....I think Tee is pretty smart...getting out before the sh^t hits the fan! Lawsuits and money deficients!! The only problem for him now is that his lawyer won't be county funded!
The sad thing is that posts are made here by those who are so full of hatred at anything, everything, and everybody. What about putting all that effort into helping rather than hurting others.
What is happening to this county is common in most counties. It takes money to have quality education. What was good for our parents is not what's good today. It cost MORE!
5:22,
"Surely" you do understand that the problems Giles County face right now are not due to inflation and poor economics. This mess is due to mismanagement of finance. Over the whole county system. Did not mean to put it all on Tee..no hate..my post just meant that he is smart to get out of it "because" there is going to be lawsuits..not that he is solely responsible for them. Sorry if you misunderstood.
The problem with the Giles County School System is there is no true 21st Century LEADERSHIP!!! The key to a good system is support and service. Until Giles County teachers are treated as the professionals they truly are, instead of the scum of the earth, you people will never have a successful system. It was never the intention to have Central Offices use the BIG BROTHER APPROACH to supporting educators. No one has a clue on how to give support for success in Giles County. In turn, all you have is mediocrity. Stand up PEOPLE AND DEMAND COMPLETE REVAMPING OF YOUR SCHOOL SYSTEM!
Well if they would have hired Ron Shirey for Director of Schools a few years ago over Jackson things might be different now. The mans got the education, he's got the finance experience, and common sense to get out of the rain. Plus he is a fair person that is there for the kids of our community and not his pockets. Yep, just sayin. He should have had the job in the first place.
Ron Shirey would make a "great" Director of Schools but I think he is smart enough to not accept it. He has the heart and the drive but not going to have the money. Just like the Finance Director...will take a "miracle" to fix problems created by county officials and commissioners!! I wish the people that accept these positions good luck..lots of headaches ahead.
The miracle is that the County Executive, The County Commission and the County School Board all will finally realize that screwing taxpayers to continue throwing money towards friends and relatives is not the abswer.
Giles County has to have the courage to hire a Financial Management Director who has the guts to say NO!! to wasteful spending; and the County Executive and Commisiion will have to backup that person.
The County School Board will have to have the courage to hire a Director who will encourage and support all our teachers. Hold the teachers accountable and give them the tools and support to achieve greatness.
All of this could have been stop if only the Home Rule (Charter) would have passed. Now I don't think that the County Executive will hire anyone that will help the county. Remember she only has what two more years then she is gone. Come on people this county can only hope for a real miracle and its not Janet VanZant. She needs to go with the other two.
Let's all hope that the new schools director has enough brains to start cutting down on busing all kids and starts having those who live within 2 miles start walking to school .
Can only pray they will also kill off all of the stupid sports programs the schools pay for and let the affected parents start paying for their own babysitting service
See how some of the post are nothing but hatred at something. If you have never taught or worked in the schools, it's hard for you to offer a legitimate comment.
I bet 9:18 did not walk two miles one way to school. Could you imagine a first grader walking from the neighborhood of Exchange Park to the elementary school or south side.
9:18,
WOW...great idea! NOT! Dumb comment!
Here's hoping the board will have enough since to stay in county. See what we got with Chicken Little and now with Tee Jackson. This board has set up and let him dig the biggest hole that will take a while to get out of. Who ever comes in will be like Clinton cleaning up after the Bush's. Ron Shirey is a great guy on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and a complete jerk on Tues, Thursday. One thing about Shirey is you get plenty of Shirey personalities. And Debbie Braden was trained by Jackson and will be just like him. Mike Gonzales and Bill Holt have dug holes and We need Sam T back or Allen Parker. Unfortunately Tee managed to get 10 years of service to add to his 25 years in Al. So he will have a great chunk of change each month. But Tee did't go down without his cronies going to board members and pleading his case. Of all people Kyle Helton and Jimmy Alsup went out asking board members to keep him. And who else did he send out. Poor pathetic fool. GOOD BYE
9:18 You are stupid if you think that it would be ok for a 5 year old to walk 2 miles to school. I don't think that the school buses need to stop at every child's house. When I was going to school buses only ran on the main roads. Everyone had to catch the bus at the end of the street. About the sports, do you want it taken away cause you did not get to play when you was in school. Our kids like to play. Besides we the parents still have to pay a lot of the sports that our kids play.
5:22
Yours is the best post I have seen on this blog. Thank you for saying what even these troublemakers already know. And the charter would not have helped any of these counties.
To 9:18
My children are very active in sports and I provide what they need to play. We provide the transportion for them to and from practices and games. I know that one of my kids would not put the effort into his grades if it wasn't for sports.
9:47
I totally agree that Bill Holt and Mike Gonzales should be gone also. They both are two idiots. Neither one of them know how to act in public and how to treat their students and teachers with respect they deserve. Gonzales thinks he is better than anyone else. He makes the students call him Dr. Gonzales and that is stupid. With Tee, Bill and Mike out of the picture then we can hire the teachers back. Our children are the future and they deserve a great education.
9:47PM How do you know that
Kyle Helton and Jimmy Alsup
went out asking board members
to keep Tee Jackson? Just curious.
There were rumors that Dr. Gonzales was to be a principal until Jackson was ready to leave and then he would step up, Guess it must be time for Dr. G. to move on up to the big time.
But from what I have heard I would say the Dr. G. is the last thing the county needs at the present time.
Has Gonzales had enough training to make superintendent. Guarantee that he will stirr everything up for the whole county if he makes it. He certainly has made a big uproar at Elkton.
Teachers having to add so much to their lesson planning time that they really had no time to do planning for most of the children. That the teachers had no time to really plan for their classes, and do not have time to cover everything that he thinks has to be covered.
He could do this at every school in the county. Hope that those teachers can handle the stress he adds to an already extremely stressful proffession.
Our most sucessful superintendants have been the ones who came up through our teaching ranks, not those who have been brought in here by misled citizens and school boards.
5:22
where is the missing money that is not missing?
You tell them 10:40 and 2:28. I agree with both of you. We need answers.
If the school board is naive enough to put that little Hitler, Dr. Gonalez in as director of schools,everyone in Giles county will find out what kind of hell the teachers and students at Elkton school have had to endure.
The new evaluation system is state-mandated, not local. It is of course, an asinine way to evaluation professionals and as far as I can tell, no teacher actually had input into the reform. They were allowed to give lip service, just as with the calendar committee, principal at SES and so many other instances, but anyone can tell, all decisions are made far in advance of gathering teacher or public information or opinions. Here's an idea, doctors are evaluated by other doctors and are held to a high standard, lawyers are monitored and evaluated by other lawyers and from what I understand, going before the bar is no cake walk. You really think teachers are professionals. Then treat them that way, let them form a teacher discipline committee or eval committee or something similar. These ridiculous evals need not be so time consuming if ANYONE with authority in education had any common sense. Drop in on the teacher unannounced. Have a set of teaching practices the teacher should be utilizing, conference afterward for ways to improve or explain things the evaluator could not see during allotted time. STOP allowing students to evaluate teachers. Test scores are meaningless. Kids know it affects the teacher. Do you think some of them care if they pass or fail as long as they can make the teacher look bad? High stress level, fear, test anxiety, stress, subject matter introduced but not actually taught, did I mention stress, illness of student or loved one. Unless you have a robot for a child sooner or later, one or more of these factors will help determine if a teacher (who may not even have your child in class), gets to keep his or her job. Great job state department. Principals do have some leeway to make things somewhat easier and therefore practical without compromising the results. some chose to do that, others chose to make their teachers miserable, but it was a choice. Support your staff or beat them down. Every single principle made that decision last year. If they can live with it, the teachers have to also live with it. But more importantly, the most dedicated and talented teachers aren't going to take this type of treatment. The state department has taken away the "calling" to be a teacher and made it an assembly line job. So very sad for everybody!
First, I do not have any kid at Elkton, so I do not have any first hand knowledge of the day to day operations of Dr. Gonzales. But kids should call him "Dr." because he has earned that degree which allows him to be called "Dr." instead of "Mr.". And I want my children to respect adults in authority positions especially. So I think it is appropriate he makes the kids call him "Dr."
Second, please check the test scores of the county. I think I'm correct in stating Elkton's scores out performed the rest of the county by a large scale.
Everyone on here claims that this county needs "change" and getting rid of the good old boys that have been here forever. And when someone new comes in (e.i. Dr. Gonzales as a principal), then those same people gripe because now things have changed. You can't have it both ways. Either you want this county to change which means "things will change!" Or you want it to stay the same which means "nothing will change". Make up your minds!!!
-Mack
Too much negative baggage for the Dr. at Richland to become director. The board members will have to be willing to work with whomever they choose. It's going to take time to regain confidence and trust in the position.
Mr. Gonzales may have the doctor title, but he doesn't have the experience. He has not taught. He became principal after his plant life and did that in Maury County.
When you talk about test scores and comparing schools, you are really talking apples and oranges. When one school does not have the sub group as another school, it is not the same criteria for evaluating those schools. Just to say, it is more to it than just looking at scores.
10:04
So true about the dedicated and talented teachers who definitely do not want to be part of an assembly line---with no time to really reach out to a child who needs extra time to help them through problems in the their life that affect their school work. Can't do that and complete today's plan, it will have to be someome else who listens to this child.
The Shadow
10:30 How can I see the scores for every school in Giles County?
I'm not in a cat fight, just want to see which place I think best to send my children.
Had to move back to Giles County in with my parents for a while.
I agree with Mack. Out of respect the kids do need to call him Dr. Gonzales. We also need good change in the Giles County School Systems. There should have been no reason to lay off that many teachers here. I say there is a real problem. Tee Jackson did and does not deserve to have been paid what he is getting. Most of the people on the hill should not be getting what they make. First off they remind me of Washington DC, to many Chiefs and not enough Indians. I have called to talk to Tee Jackson and when you ask for him you get to talk to the Assistant. I did not call to talk to her or I would have asked for her. Why can he not talk to parents, is or was he scared of something.
9:54 "Little Hitler"! That's exactly what I have been calling Gonzales for years. Good advice too. If they replace Jackson with Gonzales, we will be jumping straight from the frying pan into the fires of hell!
Change is hard! 10:30 is correct! I do have first hand knowlede! Everybody is not going to get along or always agree. There is good and bad in every school and in everybody. Time will tell. Why don't we agree that we love this county and work together with positive attitudes. If u have a problem, take it up with that person in a spirit of kindness. Give credit where it's due. Light will expose darkness.
11:16
And goodness will trump troublemaking.
I would like to know why the other schools can't survive with one principal? Elkton and Minor Hill School only has one pricipal and they are doing great. Cutting out some of the principals jobs could help put our teachers back to work? Also, some schools have more than one PE teacher. I know the one at PES leaves school just about everyday early to attend football practice at the high school. The cuts should have been made where they was needed and not in the class room.
Elkton's scores were there before Dr. Gonzo. Bob Polly had those scores but Mike got credit. I hope the board does there home work on finding a new director. Do they really and truly know why Dr. Webb is in Giles County. I do. Mike has short man syndrome, Bill Holt is a womanizer and should feel right at home on the hill. Ron Shirey has multible personalities and let's hope they hire someone they owe something. The director will need to be someone that will make teachers want to come do there job and enjoy. Every principal needs to have to reapply for their jobs. That way some weeding out could be done.
12:04 Is there anyone that you do like and approve of?
1204
Well do tell all, why don't you? While you're at it, why don't you sign your name?
You know, it's one thing to have some dirt on sombody, but it's pretty low-down to broadcast it. What you said about Bill Holt is totally mean-spirited and evil. This is just an example of why you and the other troublemakers are so hated in this cvounty. But you mistakenly think your being despised is because you are upsetting some good old boy system. How naive and arrogant can anyone be to think that the ordinary working man out here appreciates what you are doing. Some may, but the vast majority does not like troublemaking. You need to think about that.
You people want to be a part of the solution? You want things "better" for Giles County? Then why don't you stop throwing stones and grab a hammer and help build rather than tear down?
Uh.....if memory serves me, wasn't it Dr. Gonzales who had Barrett arrested? Oh, now I get it.
Bobby Joe was a great principal and person, easy to talk to and likable. He was never given enough credit. He is gone now and Dr G is at Elkton. Let's be. fair. and give him a chance. He is not Mr Polly, but he deserves a chance to be the best with his attributes. Btw, multiple personalities, real diagnosis.... Doctors bloging!
Several points:
Dr. G does not have the leadership skills to be principal, much less director of schools. He knows allot about what the book says accordning to education. However, he cannot implement any of it.
Mack, you need to learn the facts prior to commenting about scores at Elkton. Mr. Polly stated 3 years ago that it would take until the 3rd year of the new standards to show results. Dr. G's first year at Elkton was the third year. Is anyone giving Mr. Polly credit for the system and people he put in place to get to this point? Results will not be maintained over time because of a lack of leadership at Elkton.
Calling someone who has achieved the dr. degree is appropreiate and professional. So is calling teachers by their last name. Calling teachers by their first name is unprofessional and has been done numerous times in front of kids.
Whether Dr. G. will ever gain the leadership skills needed to be a principal, time will tell. However, leaders are usually born and individuals without the skills do not gain them at such an old age. However,leaders usually care about those around them and the community their serve. Dr. G. does neither.You dont run off the people who support your school. You do not cover up teachers abusing and mistreating children. He has done both. Also, you create an environment that promotes hormony and order. He has done neither.
It is amazing how stupid some on the school board are. They stated that the letters received by board members could not be acted upon because they were not signed. DUH!!! They were not meant to be acted upon; there intent was to get the school board to investigate and come to their own conclusions. No one expected Dr. G to be fired because of a letter. But a reasonable person would conclude that if so many people are complaining, that maybe they should investigagte. Investigate does not mean to send the same croneys that helped to create to problem into the school to look around. The right people were never questioned. The people who were asked questions were generally his eyes in the school and those with personal relationships with him and his family members.
To the teachers at Elkton, you wanted Bob Polly gone. He did not discipline the kids enough. He let too much go. He has a very special friend at the school.
Be careful for what you asked for. Mr. Polly could sit back and laugh now. But he will not do that. He has too much class. But that does not change the fact that you got what you asked for. LMAO
BACK OFF and leave the Polly's ALONE and out of this!!!!!!!!!!!!
1:22
Thank you for that post. It's just a shame that people have to act like animals toward others.
God bless you and our county.
Amen 1:22...Amen
I love the dirty south!
As I said in an earlier post, if as much effort was put into building relationships as was put in trying to destroy one's character, this would be a great community. I have lived here all my life and have never seen so much jealousy, animosity and cruelty at fellow neighbors.
The anonymity of the post here also contribute to what has become a bull's eye for anyone in a leadership position, i.e., from county executive to courthouse custodians. No one and nothing seems to be without criticism.
Lets wait and see how the board decides on someone to replace Mr. Jackson. Give the process a chance. There AREqualified people who can do it here in the county. But with all the criticism, who would want to take the job?
2:28 Most of your post I like. If people don't let the board know the bad in some how will they know?
I just hope the next one will be better than the last two. I've heard teachers talk and a lot were unhappy.
I want to be a whinner when I grow up.
The TCAP test don't mean anything. Since the results -- until very recently -- affected only the school and the teacher, the majority of class time was spent teaching the test.
I'm all for achievement tests, but it doesn't seem that accurate benchmarks can be achieved this way. The tests should be administered while teaching a normal curriculum. The child either has a grasp of the material, or they may need extra help.
Just because you can pass a test doesn't mean you have mastered the subject.
Ray Lanier
So are you saying that learning how to swim means you can't swim? Or ride a bike or drive a car or add 2 plus 2 or read or write? I don't follow your logic( or lack of) there Ray.
2:28
You are SO right.
Do those who see that bullseye on the backs of certain elected officials all the way down to the custodians even realize why they feel such hatred and jealousy?
Do those who are constantly on the attack really want to be part of the solution? Are they really interested in the betterment of our county and not in self-promotion? If so, I would urge them to grab a hammer and help build our wonderful county instead of constantly trying to tear it down. Why can't they just give up on all this hate and resentment and try to wortk together with the officials we have? If they are unsatisfactory, vote them out.
Love can build a bridge. Don't you think it's time? Tell those who hate to take a hike.
Problem is, when the foundation is
substandard no matter what is built on it, the same problem will exist.
Until the old rotted, dilapidated structure is torn away a new better system can not be built to replace it. Somethings can't be fixed just replaced.
8:59
With the way you act on here and the hatred you show towards 36% of your fellow voting citizens I do not think you are a very good mouth piece for love. In regards to hypocrisy, hatred, bigotry and enabling you lead by example so feel free to speak as an authority on that subject all day. As it goes every citizen is not into enabling wrong doing like you are. It would help if you work on showing love yourself before you start trying to preach to others.
8:59
I forgot to tell you something. Take a hike.
Spineless people who will not leave their address nor name. Sad.
10:01
Grab a hammer and become a part of our community instead of following one who hates and resents. That kind of thinking is contagious. Ok?
Born and raised hear as well as support a lot of things in the community. I think for myself as opposed to being lead around by the ones that are fleecing the county. And I do not follow you, Ok. Never will. Ok.
Answer a question. Where is the missing money that is not missing?
9:12-you continue to ask where the missing money has gone. There was never any money missing. It just was not there. Money was spent that was thought to be there. PERIOD case closed. If you thought your bank statement was correct and it stated you had $1000.00 and you only had $400 something is wrong, especially when you spend $800. Now, you are $400 in the hole. Thus, laid off teachers to balance a budget that was far out of whack.
Money was spent that was NOT THERE???????
You have to be kidding!!!!!
The County and the School system had NO CLUE that there was NO MONEY??????
I talked to a woman who has lived in this could ty for eight years now. She moved here from out of state. Her comment to me was that there is such an enormous amount of hatred, meanness, and greater than thou attitudes. Let us not be known for our hatred and meanness. We have a good community, but it is rapidly gaining a disrespected place to live and work. That's a shame people.
County rather than could ty. Typo
Why hasn't the State Comproller's independent audit that was conducted in June 2012 been released to the public?
6:24
Then you had the responsibility to explain to this lady who is actually at the heart of all this hatred. Why didn't you? Actually, I'm surprised that she doesn't know who or whom has caused all this trouble.
I am not going to attack Allen Barrett, but I do feel bad for him. If I had caused all of the trouble and said all of the nasty things he has about others, I'd be worried about where I'm going after this life ends. As he does in this life, he will probably even try to tell God that he knows better than Him. WAB is getting near the end of his lifetime. If I was him, I'd start changing my ways immediately.
Mr. Barrett...
I'm not the one who wrote the above post and didn't want your buddies to blame me for it. However, I think you ought to give some serious consideration to the advice you were given. In the end, nobody gets away with anything. We will all have to appear before the judgment seat of God.
Allen may get a pat on the back for all his undoings, who's to judge,(judging others is a sin.) You may be the one who is held to blame, keep letting the pharisee's tell you what to do and think and who to vote for, see what God thinks of that?
This county's problems go far beyond AB. He may spew his viciousness here on this blog, but the meanness and hatred have long laid under the rocks here. Events have just allowed it to raise its ugly head. Too bad.
Barrett is a nothing more than a sore loser who enjoys stirring up trouble. That has and will always be his reputation. He has got to be one of the biggest idiots to live in Giles County. His crusade has failed in every way. He deserves the worst.
"spew his viciousness" sure would like to see an example that would even begin to compare with your enabling hatred toward Barrett and others.
You really are something, here you are again determining what God thinks and dictating God's actions and even declaring who is going to heaven and hell.
The audit results, please ....
Why hasn't the State Comproller's independent audit that was conducted in June 2012 been released to the public?
Don't think that anyone knows where the money including the lady who is supposed to know where every penny is.
The Shadow
9:30 - i suppose you will have to wait just like everyone else..
7:34 PM
That was a nasty remark suggesting Mr. Barrett is getting 'near the end of his lifetime"! Better watch out, you might go first. Never know from one day to the next what might happen to any of us. Cruel thoughts should be kept to yourself.
I am not sure but I think they are still auditing. I saw one of the auditors in the annex the other day.
7:34
I would have to agree that what you said about this guy nearing the end iof his life is a bit over the top. None of us have a guarantee of tomorrow or even this next hour. However, I do think he needs to repent and turn back to God. I sincerely believe that is the biggest thing he could do for the betterment of Giles County. Surely, he will wake up one day and realize the trouble and strife he has caused.
Isn't the auditor you may have seen the CTAS guy that has been here since Ms Garner resigned in May, trying to get the books straightened out? The auditors doing the regular audit audit would be separate from him.
The audit is finished the results have not been released to the public and will not be released until after Beth Moore is hired as the new Director of Finance. It allways helps an audit when the director and auditor are dating.
GTC Says:
Whether or not any of us are nearing the end of our mortal stay on this 3rd rock from the sun is frankly irrelevant in view of the whole picture of life, religion or the universe. What really matters is how we conduct ourselves that matters. Allen Barrett has the propensity to bring up and publish news articles, facts, comments that are painful to some. To others his posting are downright deceitful and he should be stopped. Well this is a free speech society. If you can’t stand what WAB is posting then ignore this blog or present facts to support your opposing position. Personal attacks only show that the person posting has no other recourse and cannot provide opposing facts to counter what WAB is stating.
GOD not us will be the final judge. Get over that fact; and none of us have a say in that matter.
Giles County has existed for many years under the cloud of “the good old boy club” that appreciates many of the citizens in Giles County are totally apathetic and will not publicly, or even privately, take a stand, controversial or not, on any issue. However, history has taught us that when the cloud of secrecy is lifted and public officials are forced to be open and responsible to the constituents changes are then made. Is WAB making a difference? I believe so in that he is forcing many of us to acknowledge that changes need to be made and that “this is the way we have always done it” no longer can be tolerated.
I do not agree, time and again, with WAB’s way of presenting his viewpoint. I would prefer that he present an issue without an editorial comment in the initial posting. He should present facts without his personal opinion and allow others to debate his posting before he wades in with his personal opinion
I think the ones that continue to point a finger and judge others position with God need to take a long look in the mirror and worry about their own salvation. I have read the hate filled posts by some that have claimed to be Christian on here before and that type of person is the last person I would ever listen to about religion. Goes the same for the few little enablers and cheer leaders of hatred that like to hide behind a shield of claiming to be Christians and think that some how justifies their enabling of wrong doing. Got some very sick hypocrites on here like 7:05. I thought that liar was going to stop posting on here. Guess it changed its mind.
What's with the751 comment ? They are dating? How do you know? If that's true it's another unbelievable conflict an or Mis- use of administration.
Just like county government....do something quietly without proper planning then it's too late to do anything about it. (re dating an reveals results after hire if true)
7:51, 8:40, Beth Moore is not dating any auditor or CTAS representative and to say so is just spreading lies. Some of you really need to get a life.
That's good to hear--I wasn't spreading something---was questioning the validity of it
From someone elses post so thanks for the help.
7:51- Just an FYI - the Audit is not finished. Whether Beth Moore is appointed as finance director has little to do with the audit. And your post about her dating an auditor is just an outright lie.
Why hasn't alternative's to laying off teachers been addressed? How about coaching stiends? Should those payments be removed prior to laying off teachers. After all, isnt this a school, not a sports program. Has anyone throught about a 4 day school week. Go to 5 Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, and then til 4 on Thursday. How much would you save with the buses not running that 1 extra day a week??? The teachers pay would remain the same because they would be working the same number of hours.
How about going without a Director of schools and allow Ms. Braden to handle it for a while. That would save $100,000. Or do alway with Ms. Braden's job as assistant director and just have a director.
Has anyone with financial planning knowledge been asked to look at the situation and find ways to cut?
How about players providing their own transportation to all away games? There are enough parents going to where a bus does not have to be used. Same for Cheerleaders and Band.
Has anyone looked at combining schools and school resources? We have a k-2 school and a 3-5 school. I hope there is not a principal on the payrole for both schools. How about a secreatary for both schools? Not to mention heating and cooling for 2 schools when they could be combined into one.
Just some ideas. I dont hear anyone else making suggestions or throwing ideas out for discussion. I all hear is people using an anonymous format to point fingers and call names.
Now is the time that the School Board and the Commissioners on the school committee should meet together and discuss REAL cuts and solutions.
What could made someone think Ms. Moore is dating the auditor? What firsthand information do you have or have you seen something? Please share as this would definitely be a conflict. Seems Beth originally said she didn't want the position of Finance Director. Suppose our little dictator of a county executive played a significant role in persuading her to apply? Wouldn't want anyone to get the job who has a back bone and tell Vanzant to shove off. Everyone knows Vanzant runs that finance office and it isn't her office to run.
1:36 - The idiot who posted at 7:51 does not have any "information" it is strickly a lie stated to hurt Beth. How childish some of you are. By posting this mess it seems it takes on a life of its own. I suggest some of you need to look up the word "libel" in state law. That should give you something to discuss.
Don't address me as "you", as I was not the one who made the statement. I don't appreciate being labeled. Simply asked a question.
2:41, "You" can get over it.
Mr. Barrett,
Can you not see where this blog needs to be shut down before someone gets hurt or into serious legal trouble? You know this, don't you?
Any body care to bet agaist that Beth will be offered the Finance Director job? Eventhough she stated that she did not want it???
It might be a good thing if someone did get into legal trouble, then it might stop some of this stupid posting.
I have thought someone might go after someone. It seems it's a fuss even if you don't call names. Since they would have to be guessing who annymous is, they just might get the wrong person.
Why can no one say what or why what someone said is wrong instead of this jumpimg on whoever posted?
That leaves that person as bad as the other person.
Why has a listing of the names and qualifications of the applicants for finance director not been posted to this blog?
The simple reason is: The County Executive and her boys on the Finance Committee do not:
1)Want everyone know what the "qualifications" are for the position. By the way the qualifications are a joke.
2) Want anyone to know who has applied for the job and what those individuals' qualifications are.
WHY? because they have made up their collective minds that they KNOW who they will hire and the selection process is a scam.
Whether or not she wants the position Beth will be offered the Director's position and then it will be up to her to decide whether or not she wants it. For her own wellbeing I hope she refuses the position and forces the County Executive, Tommy Campbell, Tommy Pollard, Tommy Pope, Tee Jackson, Barry Hyatt to select a truely qualified person who has the gutts to say NO! to wastefull spending.
4:53- the applications and resumes are public record. I am just asking why they have not been posted. Only 12 applicants is not many to choose from.
The names of applicants are being kept by the County Executive and Chairman Campbell. The reason given by both is that they must be kept secret to protect the applicants current employer from knowing they have applied for the job. I believe they are being withheld from the public in order to prevent any background information from being available Thursday at the interviews.
4:07 This is a free speech forum and while individuals are expected to write responsibly that isn't always true, but because a few can not act responsibly does not mean everyone else should be penalized. There are far too many instances where a majority is punished for the acts of a minority.
The other thing is that some seek to shut down the blog simply because they dislike the fact others are afforded a say on different topics.
4:15 I wouldn't bet against that with someone else's money. Commissioner Campbell is far to supportive of Ms. Moore to be objective and has already made comments that lend themselves to her being appointed.
13 Aug. 7:37 I certainly appreciate you not "attacking" me if your post was an example of not attacking I fear my death, you seem to seek, would have been eminent.
Sorry that you feel bad for me, I didn't seek your feelings bad or good. As for the trouble and nasty things I would certainly appreciate some examples where I did either without justification.
As for being worried where I go after this life I have it on absolute authority that I will be going to Heaven. I suggest you put your faith in and accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and you can also have that assurance and not have to be worried where you go after death.
As for changing my ways because I'm getting older that would be more along your hypocritical ways, I change my ways based on the right and wrong of the behavior and so far God has not revealed a need for me to change, but thanks for the ill conceived advice anyway.
I agree with the second August 14, 2012 posting at 7:51 AM - the prior posting at the same time was another gutter sniping, mud-slinging remark that has no merit except to the suckers who resapond to it.
10:05 is a post of admitted unvalidated mud-slinging.
10:02 not only doesn't understand the requirements of the public education system, but has no concept of reality.
1:36 is silly enough to respond to the stupidity posted in this blog except for the statements regarding Janet Vanzant.
1:56 congratulations, good post.
Are there so few people who can stay on topic to keep an intelligent conversation going? Try harder to stay on topic and create intellectual conversations.
Well perhaps you have been sent a strong delusion that you would believe a lie?
By the way, is it not true that you could be indirectly held responsible if someone gets hurts or slandered to the point that someone gets sued? I believe we both know you can.
6:58 WRONG as usual enabler. Mr Barrett can no more be held accountable for what others write than google can be held accountable for what is posted on blogs.
8:23
Wrong! There IS case law to support that possibility.
10:25
Please provide such case law.
6:23
Look it up. You have internet.
Google "Blogger Beware: Postings Can Lead to Lawsuits". It covers such things as defamation, threats, etc. You may find it quite interesting. You may also want to read about online defamation laws.
Has anybody noticed how much Tommy Campbell stays at the Courthouse annex all the time now. I've heard that he has talked Mrs. Beth Moore into applying for the Director of Finance job. The only reason he wants her is that she will be another Loretta Garner and he can tell her what to do. I'm not sure she even is a CPA. The last I heard she was "working" on that degree. We don't need someone in that position that can't help the county. Trust me, we've been down that road before. Look were we are with our finances, let's hire a person that knows what they're doing and is not scared to stand up to people like Tommy Campbell. He needs to go. He votes yes for any and all tax increases he can put on us. Him and Bill Holt.
10:25
I have looked up the case law on defamation blogs and republishing. You are wrong. The case law and precedent states that re-publishers(google, Barrett, and this blog are re-publishers) and are not responsible for the content an individual decides to post. The individual is responsible for their own posts. Same thing as a letter to the editor in the local paper. So quit lying.
CPA is not a Degree, It is a very difficult test a person must pass in order to become a CPA.
Moore has been paid as a CPA since coming to the finance department but has not gotten certification.
9:15
Have it your way, but you are wrong. I just hope someone doesn't get hurt or slandered enough to bring a lawsuit against this blog (those who slander and allow libelous statements to remain out there for all to see). You are so wrong, and I hope time doesn't prove that to you.
I believe the statements you or someone made about Tommy Campbell are alanderous remarks. Just keep it up and someone is going to show you. Word is that there's an effort underway to shut this thing down. I hope it succeeds.
Has anyone ever thought about if someone is sued over this blog, it will come out who everyone that is posting anonymous is?
I had thought cg was trying to get it shut down a long time ago with his/her post and it hasn't happen.
Someone may be able to get it shut down, but all us anonymous will be expose then. hehe
2:04
Then you should be very concerned if you have been guilty of making slanderous and libelous remarks.
You know only the ones who posted defamatory comments would be subpoenaed. The only one that can get a subpoena is one who has been defamed. I really want some one to try to get the blog shut down. That is hilarious especially if they have ever posted on here before. I think any Federal Judge will back the Constitution and it is more important to allow freedom of speech as opposed to having it censored by a few who might have their feelings hurt by a few who post on the blog.
We better keep an eye on our tax money that is probably being used for legal research in this area at this time. But as I have done a lot of in legal library research on the subject and have plenty of rulings that helped to set the precedent I will be happy to share all info I have already researched to keep this blog open.
If I am wrong I will open up a new blog with a very similar name and ask Barrett to moderate it. I hear another one is being worked on at the present and the posts are being copied from this one in case something unconstitutional were to happen and the blog was suspended for any reason.
What a laugh, that someone would actually try to legally shut down an "opinion" and statement of facts blog...yeah I see another string of them being opened--whats next? A hush order for standing out on the square and talking about what and who is doing what? Too funny. The only reason there is sooo much "trouble" with this is that a few dont' want the dirty laundry aired out after they do so much to keep thing quiet. Also--someone is "worried" about someone getting hurt because of a perceived threat---well how about just not tuning in and posting if you hate whats here so bad. Some of us just want an idea of whats going on around here....the "problems" are the ones who sling their crap and inject opinion to a subject--too often miles from the subject anyway, so why bother. Heck whenever Obama comes on the TV--my TV changes...why cant you change your blog "favorites" if you don't like it? Even if we were wrong, discussion could be focused on that "wrong" subject and you could just be content with the knowlege that someone was discussing something and be totally wrong--my guess it's just too close to the truth and some cant stand it, Oh well.
Do you all think some TV production company might be interested in making a "Reality" TV show based on Giles County? That might make some money.
The names oof applicants were in the newspaper. I guess that that is not public, huh? Yes, Beth Moore has applied and I would almost guarantee she will be the next manager.
What a shame if she is the one hired for the originally said she did not want it and now all of a sudden she does. Most all the County Officials want her to have it so they can tell her what to do with our money. Spend and tax, spend and tax and on and on we go. Does not qualified mean anything in Giles County.
7:19
If I were as unhappy as you seem to be, I would MOVE. We will get along just fine without you.
I agree that Bill Holt should be gone as commisioner and pricipal, and from what I am hearing around the schools is correct, he is on his way out at PES.
7:33 Did 7:19 say they were unhappy here?
Maybe if you are so unhappy with post like 7:19's you should move!
Sounds like 7:33 is a county employee. You've got it made like it is now, don't you. And still think people who don't agree with our government spending should just move. Laughable!
9:06
Not a county employee here. IF 7:19is unhappy here, he/she ought to move and take you with them. We will get along just fine without all of you.
to Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:31:00 AM and others. Mr Polly filled the shoes of one of the best Principals in Giles County and he filled them well. I know of only two people who expressed their opion that they wanted Mr. Polly
"gone" as you put it.
Mr Polly and his faculty agonized over student gains and how to improve them as a group with no one as dictator. Perhaps continued analysis by teachers would help studentt scores improve rather than forcing teachers into a mold.
Would the things said about WAB not be slanderous?
cg has got where he likes to say "cheif trouble maker is." We know what he means. I don't think WAB would do anything unless he or someone else is sued, then he would sue, I hope.
Now what has all this post and most of the othe post got to do with the topic of this thread?
6:49
Imbecile. Doesn't Barrett refer to himself as a troublemaker? When did someone specificially refer to him as a chief?
Hold on. You just may see a lawsuit over this blog yet.
Y'all have to have lawyers as relatives, or be a lawyer yourself, considering how much you envke "sue, lawsuit, etc." in your postings.
To:
Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:39:00 AM
What about this post? Did you make it? I don't believe you are cg.
Anonymous said...
8:53
What a laugh. Isn't barrett the troublemaker-in-chief when it comes to this charter? Is he not the one who got all this mess started in the first place?
You can't seem to grasp the concept that I have no repsect for ANYONE who constantly has to have something stirred up. You shouldn't either.
Thursday, July 19, 2012 9:15:00 PM
10:13
Well said.
7:39 Looks like 10:13 proved Barrett had been called cheif.
5:13
That would be correctly spelled chief. By the ay, since when is anyone not allowed to have an opinion about somebody?
way
Opinions are like belly buttons, everybody has one.
Got a puzzle for you to figure out. If the county gets a financial Management position and someone is hired NS then leaves. Taht person has a temporary replacement. Another part of the puzzle is that when FM comes in to play each elected official that has a budget sends someone from there office to keep up with their budget. Now back to part one, the person that is doing interim finally applied for the FM position. Today were interviews of three people one being the interim person. Would rank about third in interview. But the main thing is her position has already been filled by the Director of Schools, Tee Jackson, who is on the selection committee. Does he know something the other member don't know. So can someone please figure out the puzzle as to why a position is filled that isn't empty yet. And don't say because three positions are open. If that is the case there should be an ad in the paper. Tee can't do that on his own. Come on Sept. 30.
11:02 Why do you think Tee can't do that, it's small potatoes compared to some of the things he has pulled. Remember when he sent Moore to Financial Management from the school system after giving her a $4000.00
pay increase that the county not the school system had to pat. That increase was allowed by the finance board because she was about to get her CPA, Jackson also voted on her keeping that raise as a finance board member. By the way she still does not have a CPA.
That pay raise costs more that publishing the charter in the local newspaper. And, that rais has to be paid year after year, after year, after year .......
Yea the defeated charter really cost Giles County LOTS of money.
I just checked out this blog today and I will say this, if I started a blog that was as full of idiots and ignornace as this one I would shut it down for the fear of being called stupid. Barrett, the CG and all involved should get their heads examined. What a pitiful display of Giles County.
Let's just hope the next Director is not into owing anyone any political favors. It needs to be someone of respect to others and having the children at the heart of decisions.
541 Never hit the wrong key, laughable, cg. Where is your stuck W?
Anonymous said...
6:49
Imbecile. Doesn't Barrett refer to himself as a troublemaker? When did someone specificially refer to him as a chief?
Hold on. You just may see a lawsuit over this blog yet.
Thursday, August 16, 2012 7:39:00 AM
10:13 proved that Barrett had been called chief.
So 5:41 why are you so upset? I thought you would of been upset about one of the people applying for FM. Maybe you already know that person want get it.
Thursday 11:02 All that applied for the job were interviewed not just three. They were trying to prevent another law suit. Yep, Beth is gonna get it because they interviewed for 15 or 20 minutes and are making a decision from those short interviews. Since the only one they know anything about is Beth it would not take a rocket scientist to figure out she is it.
Mr. Forrester don't get too upset, this isn't a real blog. These aren't even real people. Only the failed financial situation of Giles County is real. This simply a place where people can blow off steam, call each other names, start rumors, anonymously, of course.
So remember this blog is for entertainment purposes only, real people who are supposed to be adults don't act this way unless they are childish.
For those of you who consider themselves to be Christian adults, how do you justify your words in this blog in regards to St. Paul's 1st letter to the Corinthians 11:13
"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, thought like a child, and reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up my childish ways."
11:31
You forgot the self elevating hypocrites such as yourself and Forrester. I find your two holier than thou attitudes amusing and hypocritical, but that does seem to be the pattern for you. You have the better than thou attitude but are too stupid to realize what hypocrites you are when you do the very things in your posts you bitch and complain others do. If you hate this blog so much then do not add to the very things you claim to find so appalling. What does it say about you since you hate this blog so much but are on here more than any one but contribute nothing but the very things mirroring that of which you complain. Be the example but we know that will never happen in your case as you love to enable wrongful behavior. Isn't that right anonymous 11:31 and Forrester.
Found on WKSR's web page. Also a sad part of it is WKSR had to get the information from WAAY. Do they not try to get news?
GCHS Student Charged After "Cutting" Incident At School
Posted on August 18, 2012
A Giles County High School student was taken into police custody after a cutting incident.
According to a statement by the Director of Schools, two 15 year-old students got into an altercation after one spilled milk on the other during lunch time. The unnamed student responded to the spill by pulling out a pocket knife and cutting the unidentified victim on the arm.
The victim was treated by the school nurse before being taken to a local medical center by parents.
The suspect was charged with a delinquent act of aggravated assault and suspended from school. Pulaski authorities are investigating the incident. From WAAY.com
The day before the boy that spilled the milk put some berries in the cutters seat and ruined his white shorts and made remarks about what was on his pants. But can't Mr. Barrett please quit allowing postings on a blog if they dont' pertain to the subject. He needs to start a new one about Financial Management.
12:02 Was Mr. Barrett the one changed the subject of this thread?
It seem to me every thread gets it's subject changed.
New blog plz.... One to offer ideas to help our children in schools. Develop coping skills and help teachers who are both under so much pressure! Seems alot of folks can ventilate so maybe new blog. Return to the land of milk and honey please!!!
8:59 You know blogs are free to start up and maintain and it only takes the time you want to invest in it so feel free to start one. Or did you want some one to do it for you?
Yeah, I'm not to swift. Have good heart, just not good English skills. Still think I can go to heaven tho. My friend Debbie is amazing, I'll ask her if she has time but she don't like the blog, says it gets her upset.
@Saturday 1 p.m. - Wlx reported it first... I heard it on there way b-4 Wksr had it. I think there website is www.wlxonline.com
11:56
I neither "bitched" nor "complained". I simply stated an observation that this blog is a place where "adults" like to come in and can blow off steam, call each other names, start rumors, and act like children.
I made a statement of what I have observed in here and did not make any statement elevating myself above anybody. You said that. In fact, based on what you said in you second sentence you agree with me.I have found that this blog basically servers a mechanism to blow off steam and pitch a fit. Think of it kind of like a padded cell. So let's laugh at all these silly people.
Humor is a GOOD thing! It helps people from taking up weapons and getting into combat with each other.
I never used the word "appalling", nor do I find this blog to be such. I find it fantastically entertaining - sort of a mixture between cage fighting and and "reality" TV show.
If the responses were actually to accomplish anything more than entertainment, then the people that respond in here wouldn't act like a bunch of kids. Since a lot of these comments drag in christianity I thought I'd just remind them of what St. Paul's letters said to those stubborne Corintians way back then. It was just away to remind them that maybe they ought to keep God out of their fussing and fighting.
Wouldn't you agree?
10:21
No I would not agree with you. I read your posts and stated my opinion. I do not see how your mind twisted "I find your two holier than thou attitudes amusing and hypocritical, but that does seem to be the pattern for you." that I agree with you. I find people like you who do the very things you preach against sickening.
T's secretary has also resigned and is going to work for FM.
Yes, she is going to Financial management to take over Mrs Moore's job but Mrs Moore hasn't left and the vote for the new director hasn't been taken yet. A county from other commissioners says it's Moore by a four to three count.
How can Jackson be allowed to vote when he is no longer the school director just a lame duck guess he just has to get in those last destructive paybacks.
Funny she already resigned prior to the new directors appointment---almost like she knoew there wold be an opening huh? SO I guess T's resignation date had to do with being able to vote for the Directors position?
Well good luck to Mrs. Moore anyway--that'll be a tough deal.
Who said she was taking Beth's place? There have been several people leave that office since Loretta left so plenty of jobs to be filled.
Why did several people leave that office after Loretta left?
Ms. Moore has the job so lets get back to Tee Jackson resigning and how much sooner can he be gotten out than Sept. 30. He is a busy little bee getting alot more screwed up. Get him gone.
Baseball bat and an open car trunk. On to the next problem.
11:32
What a cruel and evil thing to say. Is that not a suggestion of killing? Why would that be allowed to stay out there for people to read?
cg, those are your words, not mine. Do you honestly see that as a suggestion of killing someone? My but you certainly are sensitive.
1:39
If someone said baseball bat and open trunk to me, I would take it as a threat.
I thought they were opening the trunk to get their baseball bat out. You mean it means something else?
7:22
Your pretended naiveness is laughable. You know exactly what ball bat justice is.
That was meant for 7:12.
7:35 Oh great one, I didn't know what it meant until you enlightened me. Just wondered why such a silly post.
Oh well that's the first solution I've read you gave.
Again, "ball bat justice" is a phrase coined by cg, not me. How is it you can hint around at stuff and then say " oh, that's not what I meant" but no one else can.
I might have been talking about a ballgame to settle the differences, you don't know. You don't know much of anything, it would seem to me.
I would love to kick your ass. Does that mean I would like to beat the hell out of you or put you in the hospital? No. It just means I would like to kick you in the ass, knock you a bit off-balance and get you attention.
Is that a threat? No, it's more like a Christmas wish. Stupid cg.
3:32
There's not that much kicking in the world. The blogmaster needs to delete your filthy post. And you have the gall to refer to someone besides yourself as stupid? What a laugh.
3:32 is Ray.
Oh cg, you're so funny. No, I'm quite sure if I kicked you in the ass, it would stay kicked.
No offence, but you're getting on up there. It's a bit too late to try to break bad. A for effort, though, I admire your misplaced grit.
Filthy post indeed. I see "ass" on every other page in the Bible.
Damn the ass-kickers;full speed ahead.
Wrong, dumbass at 5:24. Ray signs his post, now and always. Understand, please, I don't care who knows when and what I post. My name will always precede and follow what I write.
How about yours? D-U-M-B-A-S-S. ( I slowed that down so you would be sure to get it )
Ray Lanier
5:26 was also Ray.
Wow, you just can't get it through what passes for your head that everyone on here isn't a coward, like yourself.
I will ALWAYS sign my posts, think what you want. I really feel sorry for you, you want to be right so bad and yet wrong keeps coming up and slapping you in the face. Better luck next time.
Ray Lanier
Now you can say Ray wrote this one too, dumbass.
Hey Ray
Ease up on the easy targets; remember he is a CG (Christian Gentleman) and he makes no mistakes, tells no lies, is loved by all and loves himself more than anyone else. So be humble when speaking to him; he is impotent.
Oh sorry Important
6:33 was Ray having a conversation with himself. He truly has problems. That is what you hear when asking about him around town.
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