Letter From MTAS Legal Consultant States Actions Of City Council Are Beyond Their Authority
MTAS is the Municipal Technical Assistance Service established by the state to help municipalities and to which those municipalities must pay membership dues.
June 3, 2013
Re: Ability of city to regulate sales of products containing
ephedrine
The question has been raised of whether a city may regulate
the sale of ephedrine, by requiring a prescription in order to purchase the
over the counter drug. Products containing ephedrine are being purchased in
large quantities by persons operating illegal methamphetamine labs.
Ephedrine is a non-prescription, over the counter drug which
is regulated by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Title 21 of the United
States Code “National Uniformity for Nonprescription Drugs,” contains the
following language, which preempts any local regulation of non-prescription
drug products:
no State or political subdivision of a State may establish
or continue in effect any requirement--
(1) that relates to the regulation of a drug that is not
subject to the requirements of section 353(b)(1) or 353(f)(1)(A) of this
title[this refers to the section governing prescription drugs]; and
(2) that is different from or in addition to, or that is
otherwise not identical with, a requirement under this chapter, the Poison
Prevention Packaging Act of 1970 (15 U.S.C. 1471 et seq.), or the Fair
Packaging and Labeling Act (15 U.S.C. 1451 et seq.).
21 U.S.C.A. § 379r (West)[emphasis added]
This language means that a city may not impose any
regulations on sales of non-prescription drugs, or at least no regulations that
differ from the federal regulations imposed by the FDA.
If you review the further language of 21 U.S.C.A. § 379, you
will note that a political subdivision may make application to the Secretary of
the FDA for permission to impose additional regulations. The Secretary may
grant the application if three conditions in subsection (b)(1) are met.
Although public health and safety is a concern for which this subsection states
such permission may be granted, the measure cannot have an adverse impact on
interstate commerce. 21CFR§379(b)(1). I have searched the Federal Register for
any record of a successful application for exception to the operation of this
regulation, and found nothing. This leads me to conclude that exception to this
regulation is rarely, if ever, granted.
In my opinion, cities may not impose any additional
regulations on the sale of products containing ephedrine, and may not require
that persons buying products containing ephedrine have prescriptions. If a city
is willing to invest a lot of time and money, an application may be made to the
Secretary of the FDA for permission to pass an ordinance containing such a
regulation, but I
am very doubtful that such an attempt will be successful.
I hope this information is helpful. Please feel free to
contact me should you have any questions or need further assistance.
Thank you for consulting with MTAS.
Sincerely,
Melissa A. Ashburn
Legal Consultant
Why is it so hard for city/county officials to just follow the law?
Why is it so hard for city/county officials to just follow the law?
posted by Allen Barrett | 9:00 AM
211 Comments:
Even the most uninformed citizen would know you cant pass laws that go against Federal law. Why did the Board of Aldermen waste tax payer money even discussing this and why didnt the lawyer who advises the city not put a stop to the foolishness?
Because the city council believes local option is a law and they do not care what laws or which constitutions they violate. It is a pattern with our city council.
You good ole boys having your rally tomorrow. Let's see how many locals are there.
The jealousy and envy continues I see.
How is it jealousy and envy to want our tax money used wisely? Why pay for legal advice if you ignore it?
12:47 Jealousy and envy for not having a say-so in how the county is run. That's the problem with these people.
Jealousy is also someone knowing something you think you are the only privileged to know.
lol, 7:27....no, I think you really must mean a different word. By no stretch, would "jealousy" mean that.
9:22
In Giles County, jealousy means a strong resentment by those who want so badly to be in charge of EVERYTHING (they think they know what's best for us) but lack the ability to get elected to ANYTHING And that's no stretch.
Now I would wholeheartedly agree with that.
Looks like you're just wrong again cg. jealousy has nothing to do with resenting the fact that we are being robbed and lied to by some county/city leaders. Is it jealousy that causes you to dislike obama or his policies or is it because you can see how wrong and destructive they are? What's happening on a national level is the same thing that many see happening right here and it has nothing to do with jealousy just right and wrong.
Spoken by the most jealous person I know.
Speaking about yourself 11:19? Seems that way. Why are you so jealous of Barrett? Since a person has to be jealous of a person if they speak against another then you take home the blue ribbon for jealosy.
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Barrett...Looks like a "man of God" would at least capitalize the word "Christian" even if you do despise and resent me for pointing out the envy and jealousy that permeates this blog...yourself being (my opinion) the chief cause of it all.
I strongly disagree with your assessment of what's going on here at the local level. It's not envy or jealousy that causes those like me to stand opposed to Obama and what he is doing to the nation. And here's something else for you to consider...and I'm fairly certain that you have heard it before. Those who are constantly pointing fingers and accusing others of wrong are usually themselves the ones that should be watched closest. I believe that to be particularly true of the troublemakers in Giles County. Yes, I believe what goes on here has a LOT to do with envy and jealousy. I'm sorry that you and your buddies can't gain the power you so badly seem to want. But on the other hand, I thank God that you guys can't. What about that?
Your childish crying has shown us how jealous of Barrett you are. Very sad. seek help.
"Those who are constantly pointing fingers and accusing others of wrong are usually themselves the ones that should be watched closest"
We are. We have our eyes on you. And every time you get up here lying and whining we will remind you of that.
6;09
As I have told you on at least a couple of occasions, I am hardly jealous of the likes of Allen Barrett. In fact, I find him a very despicable and disgusting individual. And you don't?
Well "we" can keep your eyes on me (all two or maybe three of you) if you wish, but I would think you would have better things to do with your time.
Do you even understand the source of your hatred? That is truly sad.
To 5:08 Please show me where I have failed to capitalize the word Christian as you have claimed. I realize that my typing skills are perhaps not on par with yours but I have failed to find that particular instance where I typed the word Christian and failed to capitalize it. On the slight chance you might be referring to my not capitalizing the initials cg, I would be surprised that even you in your most arrogant pose would take exception to something that petty as cg is not exclusively a reference to any particular identification.
As for your inane comment about being watched I dare say that there are few people in this county that are watched more thoroughly than I and especially by you, that's why so much gossip is tracked right to your steps. What is amazing to me, not surprising, is that to date you have found nothing legitimate to accuse me of and produce any evidence to support your claims but your empty loud whines continue as you expose your eager quest to incriminate me is something, anything even something so small as failing to capitalize a word. My, my what a successful failure your life is.
The enabler is a very sick and sad person. Seems like some one with its self proclaimed moniker would be happy in their life and not be filled with such hate and jealousy of the one who calls it on its enabling. Seems like it would be happy there are those in the community that care what our government is doing. But in the enabler's eyes that is a privelege for a chosen few. A small group that has no problem bending laws and it is obvious the enabler believes it belongs in this group. You can tell the enabler has never read the Constitution. What a sad individual.
Barrett...I would refer you to YOUR OWN post at 9:18 wherein you referred to my as "cg". You failed to capitalize Christian. That's what I am, and even if I were not, the word still should be capitalized.
I predicted that you would try to pass of the lower case "cg" as a not-so-specific designation? Were you talking about collard greens (cg)? You know as well as I do who and what you were referring to with that designation. You are something else.
My problem with you has been and remains the way you treat people. I never argued with you about your being wrong...other than about zoning and the idiotic charter. Sorry, but I still have a right to stand up for those things I believe in. And isn't that REALLY the problem you have with me? Of course it is!
Successful life? You bet I have had a wonderfully successful and happy life to date. The Lord has truly been mindful of me. I thank Him every single day.
7:08
Wrong. As a Christian and as a gentleman, I have had a very happy and successful life. I've been blessed by God much more than I deserve and thank Him every day for those blessings. I am surrounded by friends and family who care about my life. Furthermore, I have little patience for evil and dishonesty in government at ANY level, so your assessment of me is totally wrong...not that your approval is necessary. Thank God.
By the way, Enabler is the lie Allen Barrett started on me, and I believe I've sufficiently outlined his motives for that. Having said that, let me hasten to say that YOU are the true enabler for perpetuating the lie he told to begin with.
Is anyone's name not suppose to start with a capital letter. The pot just called the kettle black
6:47 cg church goer don't you have anything better to do with your time than stay on the blog?
You got to be kidding cg you're being so petty in trying to get Barrett that you are sounding completely goofy. Maybe that's what cg stands for completely goofy.
Hey don't the devil reward his servants just because you been successful don't mean it was from God. I have to say that you helped keep Tee Jackson in his position by your support for a lot longer than he should have been so wasn't that enabling just asking?
8:16
Looks like you have a hard time staying off the blog yourself. Now that you have my attention once again by dragging up the lie Allen Barrett told on me, I will be here, the Lord willing, to refute your enabling of that sleazy lie.
Church goer? Oh...and that's not a derogatory statement about my beliefs? I think you're the one who's got to be kidding. But then again, you guys like this sort of drama, don't you?
No, any measures of success I have had in my life are directly because God gave me the ability to attain. Do you not believe what the Bible says about all bountiful gifts coming from Him? Just asking. Look it up.
As for Mr. Jackson staying in office, I had absolutely nothing to do with that. But when I found out what was going on, I quickly denounced him as one who needed to go. Please stop lying. It makes you look even worse.
Don't you have anything else to say about Terry Harwell today? Just asking.
Terry Harwell, well I watched the video, you should have, cg.
I noticed you said when you found out what Tee Jackson was doing him, you denounced him. Do you tell the commissioners what to do?
You complain about Barrett not capitalizing your name as cg, but you don't capitalize his name. Why are you so important?
5:47 Stop lying for Pete's sakes! Even though I have absolutely NO respect for your hero, I am capitalizing his name. I admit that, in the past, I used all lower case letters when referring to him, but I realized it was not right. So stop lying, Ok?
Why am I so important? Aren't we all?
Come on cg you denied for years that there was any possibility that Tee Jackson could even possibly be guilty of the things that he was so plainly doing. You also denied there was any possibility that Vanzant had used the hospital money for anything so just on those two things everyone can see where your support was enabling. Don't be shy admit Barrett was right on these and we can move on.
What about the lie the enabler told that Terry Harwell was protecting his wife at the Chili cook-off. That alone proves the enabler is a liar.
Looks like someone has the country gentleman stirred up this morning.
He will say he's not, just read his post. lol
You can't bring up what he did in the past but he can bring up what WAB said in the past. Why is he privileged?
7:21/9:57
Enabler is the lie that Allen Barrett told on me simply because he couldn't accept the fact that I as a Christian would never willfully go along with wrongdoings. He may be able to do that, but I can't. Furthermore, he refused to accept the idea that a true gentleman isn't on a public forum calling people names and trying to hurt them out of jealousy and spite. Lastly, you seem to be the enabler by promoting the lie he told.
I lost my respect for Mr. Jackson when I found out he allowed someone else to walk the plank for him. That's how it appears. I know nothing about the hospital money and never defended or condemned Mrs. Vanzant on that. However, I'd not defend anything anybody is doing that I know top be wrong, which further proves that Barrett told a bald-faced lie about me.
By the way, the only other things I've said Barrett was wrong about is zoning and the charter.
Notice the enabler skipped over the lies he told that Harwell was protecting his wife. Wonder why since it was so adamant of Terry's defense in the past.
WAB, why can't your daughter follow the law? Practice what you preach at home first then bring it to your blob! Are you opposed to this so she can have better access to drugs? Just asking a couple simple questions?
11:59
The only enabler I know of is YIOU who keeps perpetuating the lie Allen Barrett told that I willfully go along with wrongdoings. He lied. Why can't you just let it go?
Yes, I think Terry Harwell came to his wife's aid, and whether you like it or not, I have a right to that opinion. And, as I have TRIED to get you to see, I never said Terry was right to call Hughes or Barrett names. I stand by that. But I also know how important it is for a man to defend his wife, whether she's right or wrong. What would you have had him do...side with Hughes?
YOU. Thought I'd correct that before you pounce on the typo.
cg is 12:45 your post?
2:02
No, it's not. I don't conduct myself in that manner.
To 12:45 since your post is only full of lies and accusations instead of the usual filth I will respond to your ridiculous claims.
My daughter doesn't even live in Giles County, she has a full time job that carries a great deal of responsibility that requires even greater concentration and she is a very active member of her church family. She has raised two wonderful children, inspite of the incredible hardships endured from having no support from their dad. I am very proud of her and my son.
If you would like to discuss this matter further I will make myself available at your convenience, day or night. In fact no appointment is even necessary just walk up to me any time any where and I will be more than willing to accommodate a conversation. Now minus that opportunity and assuming that there is any decency or masculinity left in you I would not expect to see any more such ridiculously boorish comments about someone who has absolutely nothing to do with this blog.
You would have thought that foolish city attorney would have advised against this to the city council or did he and they were just to plain dumb to understand.
7:56. That city attorney and alderman attorney were too busy arguing and engaged in their power struggle with each other to understand what was going on in front of them!
WAB, does your daughter still have a drug problem?
9:42 I think you are the on called CG wanting to get the blog closed down.
Are you to dumb to know Barrett will still post you just want be able to post.
I hope that is what he does. We need to know what is going on in the county without all this stupid mess.
First I hope he finds out who you are.
10:46
Again, you are wrong. Yes, I am the one who refers to himself as a Christian and as a gentleman simply because I am and because Allen Barrett wanted "proof" that I do not willfully go along with things I know to be wrong. And, as for the 9:42 post, I would NEVER make a public statement such as that.
You mentioned something about certain people might eventually not be able to post on this "free speech" blog. Isn't that censorship? Doesn't that fly in the face of such ideas as open meetings, everyone has a chance to speak, etcetera? Isn't that what Barrett has raised so much sand about? Wouldn't that be an extreme hypocrisy?
10:46
Cg here again. I wanted to make one additional point or two with you before I leave.
First of all, I didn't even know that Barrett had a daughter.
Secondly, why do you get all upset about someone making a statement about his daughter and then pass off what Barrett said about Terry Harwell's possible sex change operation as nothing more than a joke? Did it occur to you that both comments then could be construed as a joke? Let's not be hypocritical.
No, my daughter, son or any other immediate family member has nor has ever had a drug problem to include the use of alcohol and tobacco products.
I have every confidence, nor have I even considered the possibility that CG is the writer of such vile lies as have been posted about my family. I am very disappointed in the lack of his understanding and differentiation between a public official who takes an action that opens the door for humorous comments, being the only male to attend an all female event, and the outrageous filth that has been leveled at a private citizen who has absolutely no involvement with anything in Giles County. It takes a very small person to attack a child in order to get at their parent. So while CG and I may not see things the same I have no doubts such behavior is far beneath him.
I do have a very good line on the scum poster, it seems a thousand dollars is a nice incentive along with the fact that even their friends were disgusted by the actions of this individual poster. So dr you are in the spotlight and the beam is becoming more focused.
"It takes a very small person to attack a child in order to get at their parent."
So true, Barrett. Perhaps you should adhere to your own advice.
10:14 Couldn't help but laugh how you have to get your digs in.
WAB! Looks like you got your feathers ruffled because someone asked if your family had drug problems! What is the difference in this and your question about a sex change operation? Let's expose everyone on this blog and shut it down!
But should everyone be exposed, there will be real trouble and no doubt lawsuits. It ought to be shut down immediately.
Hey Barrett,
So dr you are in the spotlight? Is dr supposed to be initials, or did you not get a word out correctly?
You don't see a difference in making a joke about a public figure and saying some of the most disgusting things I have read on this blog about a private citizen that don't even live here.
Whan has Barrett attacked anyone's child or anyone that wasn't involved in things here?
I think Barrett can take up for himself but attacking a child in such a cowardly way is just unacceptable.
6:28 Both were disgusting, and one has to suspect the motives of both writers who made the shameful comments.
Isn't the motive obvious? To make Barrett so obsessed with finding the identity of a poster that he proves it can be done and opens the door for anyone to do the same! Go Barrett go! Let the lawsuits begin!!! He should have saved that thousand dollars for his own attorney fees! Anybody want to buy an old Mustang?
Anyone in politics are fair game. sorry but true. A private individual can sue.
Stay out of politics are get tougher skin.
Crybabies that don't want the taxpayers to know what they are doing wants the blog closed down.
Why do you think there will be a lawsuit?
Just look at all the lies and slanderous comments by Barrett and his few followers!
I don't understand why some keep whining about lies from Barrett but no one ever tells what the lies are except CG and he can't prove it was a lie.
Even dr knows who he is. What a dumbass, he should have known he would eventually get caught. He has a history of behaviour like this. What a freak.
I just read in the paper where the Republican Party now wants a primary to be held at an approximate cost TO THE TAXPAYERS of $27,000. Now isn't that a brilliant idea? It will probably spell and end to the Republican Party in Giles County once the voters see who is going to cost them that much money. As a conservative, I just do not understand their foolish reasoning. I wouldn't want anything to do with this or with the GOP as we know it in Giles County. This is a terrible mistake if it goes forward. The Democrats will be the big winners in this.
The kiss of death for the GOP.
Who is dr
$27,000???? Their caucus would be free. Let them do that if they want to run nominees. I don't want to pay for a needless primary. I usually vote for the candidate not the party. But I will vote against any nominee of this wasteful primary.
I just read the two letters to the editor in this week's paper concerning a proposed Republican Primary. When did the local Republican Party meet to discuss this? I'd heard nothing about it until today.
Although, as a conservative, I strongly disagree with Democratic views on the taking of innocent life (abortion), gay marriage, big government and more taxes, etcetera, I would have to side with Cheri Thomas and NOT Gayle Jones on this issue. If the Republican Party proceeds with this foolishness, I am convinced that the GOP will disappear in Giles County for a very long time, especially when taxpayers find out who is costing them thousands of dollars NEEDLESSLY!
I would encourage Giles County voters, Democrat and Republican alike, to call Gayle Jones and others of her group and say NO! Is it any wonder why people vote Democratic...and I hate to admit that in view of many of the things they stand for.
I would like to know if Allen Barrett agrees with Gayle Jones and her buddies? My guess is that he does.
Well you guessed wrong as usual 9:02. Mrs Jones is a very smart involved patriot and there is a great need to identify those who would support the radical party line of the democrats but I do not support a referendum that will cost the taxpayers so much money.
With so many republicans unknowingly supporting democrats it has become almost impossible to get the county and the state set on the right track. I believe that every candidate should be required to declare on the ballot which party they are aligned with. I strongly believe that a convention would serve this effort more productively.
90:02 What business is it of yours what Barrett thinks, cg?
Then I presume your mob will be at the Election Commission meeting.
Where was this Republican party meeting held and when? Tactics such as this have ran off a lot of conservatives from the GOP.
A Republican primary at a cost of $27,000 to Giles County taxpayers is not consistent with my conservative beliefs. If this goes forward, count on taxpayers to vote every single one of them out of office. Again, is it any wonder that Democratic voters continue to vote Democratic, even in the face of things they should know to be wrong (e.g abortion, gay marriage, and higher taxes)?
I think I and my family voted for every current office holder at the court house. If any of them declare a party though we will not give them a single vote and will campaign for their opponent. Local office holders should be independent of party labels.
If this passes may I vote in both Democrat and Republican? I understood in the primary election you could vote for a president of one party and a senator of the other party.
Now if the election is at two different times how will they know if you voted for the one you thought would be the easiest for your man/woman to beat; then vote in the other election too. Just wondering why they want separate elections.
Presume all you wish 10:14 since even a stopped clock is right twice a day there is still hope for you. So far the stopped clock has a very large lead on you.
I know nothing of having a mob. Perhaps if there was a mob they would have already taken care of you and your hooligans post haste.
I speak for myself if others agree with me fine if they don't fine but I will have my say in things that directly impact me and no one will have to rely on your arrogant and wrong headed presumptions.
So then I should presume your mob will not be there?
A patriot? What a laugh!
Barrett
Do you and Gayle Jones not understand that if this Republican Primary goes forward, there won't be any Republicans left to hold offices in Giles County for a long long time? Perhaps you could use your superior intellect and reasoning abilities to talk with her and get this this thing stopped before it completely kills the GOP here?
Strange how someone said, "attend the meeting," then someone asked for everyone to attend the meeting. Then you have the know it all calls it a mob they want to be there and keeps bringing up "MOB" when they were the one called it a mob.
3:50 Then we can have Obama's followers as elected officials in Giles County.
Political suicide for the Republicans when taxpayers find out how much this will cost taxpayers. It will hurt the GOP even if it doesn't go to a primary, because people will resent what they tried to do at a serious cost to taxpayers!
No wonder [people can't stand their arrogance.
Shut down the government.....$27 billion.
A republican primary........$27 thousand.
Nice stewardship of my money guys. At least you republicans are consistent in your waste.
You need to wake up obamite it was the democrat harry reid that shut down the government while acting as a stooge for the 1st turd.
Then it seems odd that republicans are now saying they were wrong to shut down the government.
8:58
That's why I washed my hands of the GOP for now, and especially from the local party. I see the local GOP as sneaky and calculating, doing things behind closed doors when nobody is looking. I strongly believe in conservatism, but I just can't go along with their trickery and arrogance. It's become easy for me to see why the average guy will not vote for them.
Who are some of those local Republicans? I'm thinking Barrett and a few of his followers and cohorts. Get the picture?
Barrett you are an idiot! Off your meds again?
Why does anyone have to belong to a local Republican or Democrat party?
Vote for the person you believe is the best person for the job. Don't be influenced by the local people.
You may vote for a Republican one time and a Democrat next time. Not for the party.
Having a majority in Nashville with support in the counties in what’s important. Democrats have spent us into eternal debt.
11:59 I completely agree. Unfortunately the local Republican party disagrees with us and says the sheriff, county clerk, trustee, circuit court clerk, etc. must declare allegiance to one party.
I too think that is insane and I won't vote for any candidate that does, no matter which party they declare for.
6:07
He and a few of his closer buddies and allies are precisely why I have nothing to do with the local Republican Party. I see them as sneaky and arrogant. Most people learned this lesson not too long ago...was it last year? That little group of Republicans DOES NOT represent my conservative views! Even if this primary doesn't go forward, the very thought of it was suggested has poisoned the minds of a LOT of voters. Don't take my word for it. Just ask around. The Democrats have been handed some ammunition by the So-called Republican Party to use against Republicans. How stupid is that?
I don't want a small band of locals led by a Church of Christ hater narrowing the field of candidates to only one and telling me I have to vote for him or her. Thanks but no thanks Giles Republicans.
Recalling Don Parr???
2:13:00 PM If that's what they are saying will anyone run for office in Giles Cor. or I should of said get elected. Most people will like a certain person, then wham I don't like that party so not going to vote for him/her. lol
5:27
I think it's nothing more than a clever but ill-fated plan being suggested and promoted by a few local Republicans to weed out or reduce the field of candidates in hopes that some of
"their people" might have a snowball's chance of getting elected. I'll hold my nose and vote Democratic against "those people". A lot of viters will do the same.
Pretty good way to assure that no one who runs as a republican will win. And somebody called her a patriot???? give me a break.
5:35 Cut your nose off to spite your face.
1:51
Not so. I washed my hands of that bunch when I saw how sneaky and calculating they are. I am sickened by their arrogance. I want nothing to do with them. They meet in secret and do not speak for Republicans in general. But the trouble is that they are giving the GOP an even blacker eye than it already has. Even if this primary is called off, the voters are going to remember who would have cost taxpayers approximately $27,000. In my book, NONE of these people should be referred to as patriots!!!
If this little group of "Republicans" succeed in getting the primary in place, every single candidate running should register as a Democrat or as an Independent! I've been hearing that many if not most of them will register as Independent. What about that, all you "patriots" out there? Do you realize what harm you have ALREADY done to the GOP in Giles County?
Why would any one want to register as a democrat? To help promote the socialist agenda? Maybe to promote having a tax assessed on the people every time the government thinks an individual should be forced to buy a product? Real smart.
10:02
I agree, but how much smarter is it for a SMALL group of Republicans to destroy the GOP in Giles County?
Who is this SMALL group of Republicans that wants to destroy the GOP in Giles county?
5:35 Will you hold your nose and vote for Hillary in the president election?
I'm only talking about Giles County...not the presidential election.
Don't pretend that you don't know who these people are. They meet secretly and do not call a public meeting as a rule. Sorry if you can't accept that. Why would you want to be affiliated with people like that?
2:07
Would you mind explaining how calling a Republican Primary in Giles County at an expense of close to $30,000 to the taxpayers is going to further the cause of the GOP here? I'd really like to see your thoughts on that one. It's the kiss of death for Republicans. The Democrats will make sure the voters know who is behind this. It's like not only handing them the gun to use on Republicans but also a supply of bullets. Wake up!
O great pumpkin head aka 3:16 if people are meeting insecret how do you know they are meeting? How can you know who they are of they are meeting in secret?
spies!!!
3:16 Sounds like another small group in Giles County, secret meetings. I have no idea who is in this Republican group or the Democrat group.
I don't know why they want to change the Republican primary. If they want the county officials to run on a Democrat or Republican ticket why can't that be done without changing the date of the primary? Then it wouldn't be any extra cost would it?
There isn't a primary before the August general election. The republicans want the county to spend #30,000 from the hospital fund to finance one.
No, that $30,000 will be funded by taxpayers. Way to go GOP. You just messed in your cap in Giles County.
4:38
Do you honestly think Gayle Jones thought this up all on her own? There was no called meeting of the Republican Party that I am aware of. So why don't you tell the readers what might have happened if NOBODY met to discuss this?
Why do we have to have a primary in a county office election? If you have 5 Republicans and 5 Democrats running for Register of Deeds or what ever, put all 10 names down and say you can only vote for one. If the D and R is needed by the name where this D or R nut has to know which party they belong for before vote for them.
Does the party they belong to really matter in county officials? If it does I've sure missed up in some of my county voting. lol
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“You’re articulate, you’re passionate about your politics, you know the issues, and believe me, not everybody out there does,” Harwell told the group. “In my community, it was Democrat for years and years, then the Republicans moved in. I heard Wanda [Graham] talking about how important it is for women to sit at the table. We have a whole different perspective, a different heart, if you will.
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When I ran for office, there were women who came from Sumner County, Chattanooga, Memphis. They put on the T-shirt, and we turned them loose in our neighborhoods. It’s effective, and together we can do it, but that’s the key word. Together. Physically and financially together.”
Full article: http://www.brentwoodhomepage.com/democratic-women-candidates-finances-support-needed-cms-12133#.Unaij8_nbIV
I couldn't vote for Vicki because she is a follower of Obama. That is why I think it will hurt the Giles County officials to state which party they are for.
Quoting Ms Harwell: "women are blind sided by catinesss...." and Vicky is a ringleader.
2:23
I think you are right. And if this little group of Republicans succeed in forcing a Republican Primary, they will have paved the way for not only Mrs. Harwell but for any and all Democrats to gain elected offices in Giles County. Even if they don't succeed, a lot of damage has already been done, because taxpayers already know this could cost them close to $30,000 needlessly. They smell a rat!
Although I hate and despise abortion, gay marriage, bigger government and more taxes, I will oppose any and all local GOP candidates sponsored or promoted by this little group. You should as well. It's all by design.
Furthermore, if Mrs. Harwell was running against someone like Allen Barrett or Don Parr, she would have my vote in a heartbeat!
5:34 Are you saying Don Parr and Allen Barrett are the GOP party in Giles County that want this change?
5:32 I'm impressed that you are willing to ignore your principles and kill a baby, support gay marriage, endorse bigger government and pay more taxes all because you got your butt on your shoulders over something that isn't even going to happen.
7:46
Not so. I am totally against those things, but. those issues are a matter of law, and I will always oppose them.
I love Giles County and do not want it to fall into the hands of certain people. That's STILL my right to support those of my choosing and to work against those I feel should not be in charge of things here.
What a sad person 7:46 is. It would bite its nose off to spite its face. From what its boyfriend says it could only improve its looks.
4:25
Wrong YET AGAIN. I am a very happy person who sees each day of my life as a blessing. I love Giles County in spite of those few who are here constantly trying to stir up trouble. I'd be even happier if they were somewhere else. Besides, why would they want to stay here when they are so unhappy?
Why do you visit this blog so much when it obviously bothers you?
I might ask you the same question.
Wrong cg same sex marriage is not the law in Tennessee yet but with enough democrats and stupid voters it will be soon along with an expansion in abortions increased government interference and more taxes. Your hatred for Barrett is eating you alive and making you sound more unprincipled and stupid with every post.
9:16
Nobody said same sex marriage is the law in Tennessee. I believe the point being made was that, while the evils of abortion, gay marriage, bigger intrusive government, etc. need to be addressed, there are certain people who need to be kept out of Giles County government.
While it is true that I find Barrett's behavior despicable, I do not hate him. In fact, I'd like nothing more than to see him repent. How's that for being principled?
Question. Why is it that you cannot bring yourself to capitalize the word Christian? Refusing to do so reflects on you and not me.
Where did I fail to capitalize the word Christian your arrogant liar. Glad to see you are in charge of Barrett's repentance I'm sure that gives comfort to everyone. Who do you think has given us abortions, gay marriage, intrusive government and unpayable debt DEMOCRATS. You keep putting them in office on any level it only empowers them and that your moron makes you an enabler of abortions, gay marriage etc.
4:47 You are right when anyone doesn't capitalize a persons name it reflects on the one not using a capital letter. Just look at all that time you did WAB like that. Now you know what was thought of you. I'm glad you finely realized that.
I think it is disrespectful to Christians for the enabler to try to claim a title like it does. I don't refer to the enabler as a Christian, never will, because it has not proven it follows the teaching of Christ. Maybe it should worry about its own salvation and go and repent for being the quarrelsome troublemaker it is.
7:42/7:57/10:09
I would refer one or both of you to the 9:16 post. Whether you like me or not...and I really don't care one way or the other...you should capitalize the word Christian.
I admitted that to fail to capitalize another person's name was wrong, and I did make it right and have since capitalized Barrett's name, although I still have absolutely NO respect for him.
Now, let's deal with the word Enabler. That is a liar Allen Barrett told on me. It was a lie when he told it and remains as such to this very day. The only enabler(s) I see on this blog are you. Perhaps you also should repent for enabling that lie?
4:24 My post was 7:57. I just looked for a post of 9:16, maybe you need to give a date because when I looked up the post of 9:16 was about same sex marriages and I don't give a hoot about that.
5:13
November 4 at 9:16 PM. That's the one. Either you or that other one failed to capitalize the word Christian, whether you ascribe that designation to me or not. It matters not.
Seriously, is there an issue you want to discus other than me? If so, why not do it and make a fresh start?
If it matters not why do you go on about it? So this is the post you wanted us to read. I'm sorry I miss understood, I thought the post was the one you apologized in.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Wrong cg same sex marriage is not the law in Tennessee yet but with enough democrats and stupid voters it will be soon along with an expansion in abortions increased government interference and more taxes. Your hatred for Barrett is eating you alive and making you sound more unprincipled and stupid with every post.
Monday, November 04, 2013 9:16:00 PM
7:06 May I refer you back to my 4:47 post. I never said same sex marriage was a law in Tennessee.
How many times do you have to be told that I don't hate Barrett but absolutely despise his behavior? I find him despicable and hypocritical. Why is that so hard to grasp?
Wait! I thought this particular thread was about capitalization? Is it changing again?
Just heard that the local Republicans may succeed in getting a Republican primary here at a cost of close to thirty thousand dollars of taxpayer money. Good job! This will destroy what's left of the party. The local Republican party strikes me as arrogant and hateful. The Democrats will make sure that the voters know who is behind this huge cost in tax dollars. What a sneaky move on their part. Aren't these the ones who claim to be fiscally conservative. What a friggin' joke!
7:06 Don't you ever read all of a post? I just said that was the post you wanted me to read and I don't care about same sex marriages, never thought you was the one posted that. You made me think it was the one where you apologized to Barrett for not making his name a capital for so long.
I don't care what you think of Barrett. He has posted some threads I thought he shouldn't have. Don't know the man and don't care to know him, nor you. It's hard to tell which is the worse.
Again your narcissism is bleeding through like a red sock in a load of whites, O anointed one. Just because someone refers to you as "cg" does not mean that they are assigning "Christian Gentleman" to those letters. I assure you that many other words portray an apt description of you. "Constant griper" is one that comes to mind, just off the top of my head. Get over yourself and perhaps others will as well.
9:56/12:36
You claim you don't know Barrett and don't want to know him? To me, that's like saying the local Republican Party made a public announcement of their meeting wherein the primary was discussed. Of course they did!
I believe I have sufficiently covered the Barrett apology issue and don't know how to make it any simpler for you to understand. Now, as for a detailed apology to him right here on this blog, I will be happy to do that when he makes a public apology to the people of Giles County for all the trouble and expense he has caused. Is that a fair deal? Shouldn't he also apologize to Terry Harwell, Mrs. Vanzant, and others he has called nasty names? I think so. Tit for tat as it were?
Narcissism? Hardly so. If you insist on arguing this RIDICULOUS point, I will play along. You know as well as I do what you mean by "cg", so please stop acting like a child (describing behavior). A recent point I've tried to make with you is that the word Christian should be capitalized, regardless of what you think of me. Oh, I believe we both know who the narcissist-in-chief is in Giles County. Talk about someone needing to get over self. Hilarious.
9:56
I didn't make you think anything. Wish I could.
5:35 You want apologize to Barrett about the capital name until he apologizes to Harwell and Vanzant?
Then you claim to be a Christian.
Seek help!
Oh you poor thing, you didn't get an invite to the Republican party's meeting. What a shame, but you wasn't the only one didn't get an invite, I didn't either. I will and can live over it and not start a fuss and say I don't start or stir trouble.
Looks like someone is off their meds this morning.
7:39
I think Barrett and his little band need to apologize to the people of Giles County.
I am 12:36 and when and if I use the word "Christian" I will most certainly capitalize it. I know what I mean when I use the initials "cg." Your post is just another example of the habit you have of translating someone's post to make it fit with your idea that everyone else has a problem instead of you. Too bad. You're obviously an educated man; I don't know why you insist on forgetting that fact when you post.
I guess it is alright for the Democratic candidates to use Democrats from other counties to come in and campaign as though they are locals to try to get democrats elected but when the Republicans ask for what is legally a right the moaning starts. Sort of like one Mayor candidate that thought Martin students that have a right to vote in local elections should be banned but gets non locals to help with her campaign.
Besides the money is in the budget for the primary, per WKSR. Lets just hope the election commission does not sale any of the taxpayer assets like the IDB did to fund the lawsuit.
Wednesday, November 06, 2013 8:27:00 AM
I'm not saying Barrett and what you want to call his little band should not apologize to the people of Giles County. Just saying you are no better. You have been condemning people of what you have done in the past but think you don't have to apologize for what you do.
9:05
As I said, either on this thread or the one before it, I sincerely thought I had made an apology to Barrett or at least to the readers of this blog for not capitalizing Barrett's name. If that is incorrect, please allow me to "prove" that I am a better person than that. Here it goes:
Barrett, if I have failed to apologize to you for typing your name in all lower case letters, please allow me to make that formal apology right now. But I still have no respect for you. I realize that was wrong of me. Now, would you likewise apologize for the names you have called me and others and for the trouble and expense you have caused in Giles County? I hope you will and then we can stop this petit bickering.
There you go lying again. I honestly believe there is nothing Allen could say or do that would cause you to cease taking shots at him. Even in your "formal" apology you can't resist getting a dig in. Seek help; you'll be the better for it.
12:45
It's not up to YOU to accept my apology. It was not directed at you and it's not your call to accept or reject my apology.
Exactly what lie did you find in my post? What dig? I told the truth.
You are nuts!
YOU are constantly commenting on posts that do not pertain to you. I believe you justify this by saying "is this not a free speech blog?" So, is this not a free speech blog? You put "prove" in parentheses, getting in a dig about Allen not accepting your proof of not enabling because you're a Christian. You had to add that you didn't respect him. That wasn't necessary; an apology isn't an admission of respect. What would have been wrong with just saying you were sorry and leaving it at that? Can't do it, can you? I find it difficult to believe these are things that you are unaware of doing.
I simply told the truth. An apology doesn't necessarily denote a newfound respect.
You seem to be running out of original things to say. All you did was repeat what I said in my comment. I guess that will do if you can't think of anything substantial to say on your own.
LOOK, the apology was between me and Barrett, so why don't you butt out?
Everyone read post Wednesday, November 06, 2013 12:36:00 PM
He apologized for not making Barrett's name in capital letters for so long.
6:16
You are a troublemaker in every sense of the word. Yes, I want EVERYONE to read the apology so they will see how nutty you are.
6:17 How was 6:16 a trouble maker wanting everyone to read your post and telling why you apologized? Looked like a good post and hopefully everyone will now move on.
As long as this is a free speech blog I do not feel the need to butt out. Why should I? You never do. Seems like you may be going over the edge. 6:16 appeared to be directing everyone to the post where you apologized so that readers could lighten up on you about not capping Allen's name. What did you do? You called him a troublemaker. Further proof that you seldom see the content of the comments on here. If it doesn't fit into your preconceived idea that everyone is against you, you simply "translate" it into something that does. I don't think you will make it much longer.
11:56
YES! I called Allen Barrett a troublemaker. HE IS! So are you!
YES! I called Allen Barrett a liar? He is! He told a lie that I willfully go along with wrongdoings.
As for directing "everyone" to read my apology, you or the other one made that post...not me.
I just had a Eureka moment last evening. You and the other one (perhaps your alter ego) who stay on me need this kind of drama in your life. Right? Why didn't I see that before? This is your validation!
Your concern that I may not make it much longer and that I am perhaps going over the edge is so comforting. That's how it should be since we are our brother's keeper. But in case you misunderstand that, I am NOT saying that you and I are blood related. I didn't want to confuse you even further.
11:56
Is that you on another thread calling Mayor Ford and Neil Bass names? Just wondering.
You blind, arrogant fool. I never mentioned Allen in my post. I mentioned 6:16, who was simply pointing out the fact that you had apologized to Barrett. You called him a troublemaker and he was obviously on your side. Take the time to read what is written. Barring this, you make yourself look mentally challenged, and I say that with the utmost sincerity. You need help and I bet I'm not the first to tell you that.
6:16
My apologies to you. I thought you were the same guy who has been after me for so long.
When I'm wrong, I readily admit it and try to make things right.
1:08 I think everyone should have to get a number or name to post on any blog so we could see which post is which. Then no one would be accusing the wrong person for a post they didn't post. I don't know it can be done, but wish it could and anytime anyone post their number or name would come up, but the real person would stay anonymous. Like 1, 2, 30, or Tom, Dick, Harry or what ever.
I like to read the blog and get confused at who posted what.
1:38
I totally agree with you on that, and I am more than willing to cooperate with it.
However, as long as there is an anonymous provision on this blog , Allen Barrett should NOT allow another anonymous poster to make serious threats. It's going on right now on another thread, and he needs to address it.
I've been reading other blogs and it seem the same stupid thing goes on there. I don't think anyone has to watch a blog 24/7, so how can any post be stopped. They can be deleted but it could be several days before the blog master see it. I've seen a few things on this blog that stayed up long enough for me to read it before being deleted then again I see where one has been deleted and wonder what was posted.
Just because you are allowed to post anonymously does not mean that your anonymity is guaranteed. I personally think that posters have been allowed to say whatever they want from behind the veil of anonymity for far too long. Man up, as Curious Carl once told you. Oh btw, it's only a serious threat if you've got something to hide.
4:45
Yes, I agree with you. I've seen some really malicious things said on this blog about people like Ray Lanier, Allen Barrett, the Prouds, and others. This should NEVER be. That's serious, but to threaten someone just because his or her whose views are not aligned with a small faction of readers is almost as bad.
I think the threat cg is referring to is being outed. Someone evidently found out cg's identity and told him if he didn't stop giving in to his obsession with hijacking threads and turning them into all things Barrett, they would reveal who he was. Personally, I'm sick of hearing about how Barrett lied on him and all his other "pot calling the kettle black" rhetoric. Oh well, I guess we'll see.
6:39
You know what? I don't want to discuss anything anymore with you or with your buddy. I'm not going to be bullied off this "free speech" blog and will, from now on, deal directly with Allen Barrett. Thank you!
You have never discussed anything with me, 6:47. My post was for 5:33 and it sure as hell had nothing to do with bullying you. Don't be so paranoid. From what I read, no one was trying to get you off of the blog. They were trying to get you to stop being such an asshole. I'm sure you don't care, but your attitude is rather off-putting. You are a difficult person to like.
7:37
I wrote 5:33 and 6:47. Yes, I do care what people think of me. I'm hated by a couple of people on this blog, and I wish it didn't have to be that way.
But from now on, I will discuss my opinions and thoughts with Allen Barrett, so they will need to find someone else to go after. I'm done.
When anyone post on the blog anyone can and will post back to you. Only way we can privately have a conversation is a private email.
Just saying that because I was having a conversation with someone and others joined in. Nothing can be done about it.
Intimidation, bullying, and censorship do not define free speech. And on this blog, it now becomes apparent that one is free to speak his mind as long as what he has to say is in line with the general consensus of two or three people. If and when a writer goes against their way of thinking, he is called names, falsely accused, and threatened in some way to be silent. More importantly, it appears that the person in charge of this blog looks the other way. Disgusting.
That being said, I've come to a painful realization. I can no longer be a part of the conversation, because I cannot afford to have someone deliberately hurt my family. And if that person "exposed" me, I'm not sure I could find out who he is. So, the obvious choice looms large; I must sit down and shut up. The threat worked.
In a way, this seems a bit cathartic...like a punch in the nose. But I cannot go on, not knowing how low this person might stoop. And those one or two people who called me a host of names and did everything they could to discredit anything I said will now have to either find someone else to pick on or decide on a hobby. The intimidation and coercion worked! So much for free speech at Giles Free Speech Zone. Even the name of this blog is total hypocrisy!
Just remember that God knows who you are! Have fun.
I will miss you my friend. Your posts were enjoyable and thought-provoking. Always remember that when one can no longer attack a message or an idea, then they go after and attack the messenger and thinker.
6:27
Yes, that thought already occurred to me. I think these people are very dangerous and always felt that someone needed to stand up to them. I can't do it anymore. I just thank God that most people do not read this blog or pay much attention to what these few have to say. Take care and may God bless you and yours.
Anyone heard, "I'm off the blog before?"
He/she will be back, can't resist reading the blog.
Enabler,
You have done everything you are whining about. That is why people are coming after your identity. Your identity will be revealed.
It's hard to keep anyone from knowing any of us posting on the blog. Just one person knows you do and several are guessing who it is, then this one person will try so hard not to give out the name, but when watched carefully some expression will show they hit the nail on the head.
If any of us can't take what is posted, best not to read so you want be tempted to post back.
Going to be peace in the valley?
I don't agree that all this was done to stop opposing opinions. This forum calls for and welcomes different points of view. What is unwelcome, however, is the same, tired mantra on each and every post no matter what the subject. I don't think the Free Speech Blog was set up to enable one person to address a personal vendetta against another time after time. I don't think anyone wants cg to leave ( if, in fact, he really does ), they are just tired of the same old rhetoric.
To 5:45 AM 8 Nov.
I'm sorry that anyone would decide to stop posting legitimate commentary on this blog but that is a right each of us has, but to announce you are leaving the blog because it is not a free speech zone is about as disingenuous as you can get. No one has been attacked more than me on this blog, to date no one has presented any legitimate evidence that I have not written the truth. By legitimate evidence I mean something more than personal feelings, rumors, gossip and personal animosity. Here's the thing some fail to realize, with free speech comes responsibility. I have used my name from the beginning when I post and that has been very costly in many ways but it has not prevented me from expressing my convictions. I feel sorry for anyone who's convictions are so weak that they discard them at the slightest conflict. To stop posting is a matter of choice but to claim an overwhelming fear of some unknown person is nothing short of cowardice. I would suggest that if you really feel strongly about a matter then man up and take responsibility, there is nothing to fear from those who threaten to expose you if you step forward and identify yourself.
I would ask the person that made this statement,
"If and when a writer goes against their way of thinking, he is called names, falsely accused, and threatened in some way to be silent. More importantly, it appears that the person in charge of this blog looks the other way", what would you have me do? If I censor, you complain that the blog is not a free speech zone, if I address the issue you complain that I am arrogantly trying to control content, if I delete an inappropriate post you complain that I only did it because it was critical of me. I have never deleted a post simply because it was critical of me although I have had numerous people tell me that I should.
If you choose to no longer post fine but at least man up and accept that it is because of you and your fears not because the blog would not allow you to post.
Dang, I took a little break to work on my computer and evidently missed a lot of action on here. I have to agree with your post, Allen. You pay a price, at times, for signing your name on here, but if you are committed to what you say then you should own it. Y'all have a nice day.
Ray
Ray, I wondered what had happen to you. Welcome back.
Thanks, 9:38. Happy to be here.
Ray
Mr. Barrett
To allow threatening and bullying those into silence who have different views and opinions makes this blog even more the joke it's always been.
How is it free speech if it has to be monitored every second so post can be deleted?
Don't look like anyone has been bulled or threaten to silence.
CG at 5:30 am
I would hope the person who knows your identity does reveal who you are. In the past you have said some very cruel things to people, especially assuming those who get involved in an issue are "not from here" and you have on several occassions told them to leave their Giles county home if "they don't like it here". That alone, is reason enough to reveal who you are. And, if the poster who claims to know you states, you are well known in the community. If that is so, all the more reason everyone knows who you are. After all, you are a detrement to this county growing with your nasty remarks.
I thought you were leaving, cg. Remember, just because you don't keep your word doesn't mean I won't. I won't play your game where you push it to the edge with your little remarks. Your attitude is not welcome on this "joke" of a blog.
7:28 What would he/she do if he quit this blog? No one would be making him the theme of the blog.
7:28 so you are trying to bully him off the blog. Thought so.
Again speaking as if you were someone else, 7:48. What is your problem anyway? No one is trying to use your tactics and bully anybody; they appear to simply be trying to get you to stop being such an asshole. You're not going to have that though, are you?
If no one else will take up for you, you have to pretend to be someone else.
I heard several guessing who CG was today. It was interesting to see people's reaction.
I think you are right 2:20.
Mr. Barrett
What about the language shown in the 9:07 post? That ok with you?
Ouch! WWJD?
What does WWJD mean? Thanks.
I skipped Saturday and until now to look at the blog thinking nothing would be on it since cg said he/she was going to quit posting. Should of known he can't quit. lol
10:58 Agree. After the posts CG has made against innocent people over the years I would hope the poster who has a good idea who CJ is would go ahead and tell us the name. I think even though we might be surprised I also think the people who have been targeted by CG are of better character than CG would have us believe, and they wouldn't approach CG. Still would be nice to know who he/she is. At least we can ignore he/she and know the true character. The poster who has the knowledge could make the statement in the form of a question. That works.
I realize he's probably not going to change the tone of his posts, but I did agree to give him the weekend to consider it. I don't want to tell his name but it looks like his mental defects won't allow him to post like an adult. I certainly hope it doesn't cause his family any trouble as they can't help that they are related to him, though I couldn't care less what problems it causes him directly. If someone tracks him down to extract their revenge, it's nothing more than he deserves. It's on your head, constant griper. Make your choice and make it quickly.
There are many people hoping you won't back down.
sad
Poor cg, they still picking on him. I bet he is sad.
It won't be a matter of backing down. I gave cg my word I wouldn't post his name if he stops hijacking every topic on here. It really is up to him. I'm sure we all welcome his input, just not his whining about Barrett this and lost the election that. I don't see where rhetoric like that is helping anyone. Do the right thing for your family if not yourself. It doesn't always have to be about you, cg.
If cg backs off, y'all need to as well. I say this is the perfect opportunity for a fresh start. How about it?
7:02 That is a good idea IF cg backs off. Do you really think he will?
I really hope he does. I don't want his family to have to suffer any more than they already do. That is by no means a threat towards his people, merely a hope that he won't want to cause them further embarrassment. Surely he will do the right thing. We'll know very soon.
Did CG post 7:02 PM?
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