Why Has The County Executive Been Secretly Giving Tax Money To A Charity That May Not Be A Legally Authorized Charity?
Why has the County Executive been secretly funding a charity that may or may not be a legally authorized charity?
It has been acknowledged by Mrs Vanzant that she had been giving between three and five hundred taxpayer dollars each year to a “charity” identified as “Night Out Against Crime”.
This acknowledgement came as a complete surprise to most everyone at the County Commission Meeting on Monday.
It was reported in that meeting that the state auditors had raised questions about the way the contributions had been made. Not once has the County Commission voted or even discussed this charity or making a contribution to it.
Under county rules no charity can be funded with tax money unless they are a legal 501c Charity and the paperwork is on file with the county. All non profits are required to apply for funds through the County Budget Committee then approved as part of the budget approved by the County Legislative Body.
Last year the Campbellsville library, which everyone agreed was a worthy non profit was denied funding because they did not have the proper paperwork identifying them as a legal 501c non profit.
In this same meeting it was also acknowledged that under Mrs Vanzant’s leadership the county attorney has been appointed for two year terms inspire of the county having gone through the process of getting the state legislature to pass a private act that made the appointment for a four year term.
These are only a couple of recent instances of Mrs. Vanzant ignoring the law and doing things her way, a way that has cost the county millions in lawsuits, attorney fees and financial blunders.
posted by Allen Barrett | 8:42 AM
222 Comments:
Melissa Greene has done a good job as chair of the Budget Committee. Le's hope she gets re-elected and chairs the same committee next year. She has the backbone to stand up for what is wrong and abide by the laws to get this thing straightened out.
I for one am tired of both local and state laws being ignored for the past twelve years. Time for change.
Barrett...May God bless Mrs. Vanzant for having to pout up with the likes of you and your two buddies. You just can't help yourself, can you?
Put up with. Thought I'd correct my typo before one of you three try to twist and spin it.
So 10:02 you have no problem with her secretly giving thousands of tax dollars to individuals in violation of the law?
It's the same as paying Commissioner Coleman for attending meeting they both knew she did not attend.
It's the same as paying Commissioner Harwell twice for the same hours worked.
If Mrs. Vanzant would simply follow the law there would be very few problems but with your encouragement to continue breaking the law I can see how she would continue ti think that she is above the law.
Unlike you 10:02 I want to see illegal behavior stopped; I want to see the misuse of tax money stopped; I want to see criminals held accountable for their crimes. Unlike you 10:02 I seek to see wrongdoing stopped not enabled to continue.
Barrett
You really are a snake, aren't you? Why can't you just run your own campaign based on your own "merits" (laughing) and stop taking cheap shots at Mrs. Vanzant and at least one of your 7th District opponents on a daily basis?
Why don't you explain what makes this a cheap shot, 12:53? Is it the fact of the behavior of Mrs.Vanzant herself? Or perhaps it's just because Barrett posted it? Loyalty is an admirable quality but in this case I would call it aiding and abetting. How much evidence has to be given to you before you acknowledge the truth? I hope you're not holding any kind of office.
10:03 I thought you was the English Professor that corrected everyone's mistakes.
Would someone please tell me what
Night Out Against Crime does and who is in it?
2:26
If you want some good examples of cheap shots at the 7th District commissioners, I would suggest that you read Barrett's political ad in this week's paper. That was the sleaziest thing I have ever seen in Giles County politics. What a SNAKE! I don't see how he gets away with stuff like that. But he does, and that is astonishing.
But here's something Barrett may not have considered. His low-classed remarks will get more votes for the three he is attacking than any they might lose. Good!
He gets away with it because it is the documented truth!
It is not a question of getting away with anything. The newspaper will print anything as long as you pay them.
9:58 And that is simply not true. Here's the reality of the entire matter. Allen Barrett wants to be a commissioner so badly that, in my opinion, he will do and say whatever it takes toward that end. But it's not going to work, because people know how he is. I am absolutely astounded that he has stooped to such a low level. Why can't he talk about his own "good points" and stop trying to tear down his opposition.
For Mr. Harwell, Mrs. Coleman, Mr. Campbell, and Mrs. Goolsby...I wish you all well in your election bids. It's just sad that you have to put up with the likes of a known troublemaker. The fact that you do not play his game of tit-for-tat speaks well of the character you have that he apparently lacks.
If I am trying to figure out who to vote for it will be the one that does not sling the mud every time. His speeches tell me who to vote for and yes if he is against them I will strongly consider them as my candidate.
And that same guy (Allen Barrett)is asking voters to not waste their votes on his opponents but rather to "single shot" him. What about that? Doesn't that sound pretty desperate to you?
Way to go enabler three comments in less than fifteen minutes I didn't know you could think that fast but your comments prove it.
Must be nice being a Christian Gentleman and praising people engaged in wrongdoing.Harwel and Coleman are proven thieves and Campbell ain't done nothing but raise taxes since he's been in there and supported Jackson while he destroyed the schools and kept the teachers on edge.
Giles Co. NEEDS people like Allen Barrett to try straightening out the financial mess created by 200 yrs of the good 'ole boys and gals .
The existing group couldnt cut their way out of a cardboard box without tipping someone to show them the 'right' way to do it without cutting themselves .
VOTE FOR MR.BARRETT TODAY !!!
Whiney have you not noticed how the Democrats and Republicans do in the president election?
I guess Barrett learned from the best.
You use to ask why the other District Commissioner weren't attacked. I think I have the answer. Their friends and family stay off the blog and don't carry on like you do. I see no difference in what Barrett does and what you do.
Barrett is more a fighter than the other people that's why I'll vote for him he don't back down just cause something is unpleasant or the crooks have all the power.
ONE SINGLE VOTE AND IT GOES TO ALLEN BARRETT
The mess you say that goes back 200 years, really doesn't go back 200 years. It goes back 12 years.
And the war heats up and gets uglier by the day against the 7th District commissioners. Shame on you Allen Barrett.
You give me even more resolve to go out and campaign for your opponents. And I will!
You have some nerve to expect people to vote for you. Of course you have the support of the other two here who gladly take up your cross...once you come down from it. Again, SHAME ON YOU!
I'll be voting for Barrett. He will be the only one in District 7. Mainly because of your attacks on him 8:17. I can only believe what many others think. You are none other than one of his 7th district candidates. "I'm a county commissioner, what you gonna do about it?"
9:44 You should do that. But, as he said about his opponents, you will be wasting your vote. You'll see.
I wish everyone would quit giving whinney so much attention (feeding his ego).
Someone tell me about this charity. What do they do? Who is in it? Why would Mrs. Vanzant give to it and not discuss this with the Comissoners? Was that legal? For all I know she maybe allowed to do things like that.
No 10:26 she was not allowed to do that. That is why the State Auditor put a stop to it and it was brought up at the County Commission Meeting. I believe that the reason she gave them money outside the budget all those years is because they are not a legitimate 501c non profit. When I asked about what the charity did and who served on it's board I was told that they have a cook-out. It's unknown if there is a board.
To 6:23 and his other posts.
You can certainly vote for whomever you choose, the only thing I have done on this blog and in my newspaper ad was tell the difference in my opponents and myself.
Unlike you, I believe it's more important to cast an informed vote than just vote. It's obvious from your comments that you have no desire for the voters to be informed about the record of candidates and their misdeeds. That is the very reason some of worse people keep getting elected and the county and nation keeps going down.
We have the worst president ever because people would not look at his record and past behaviors. We have candidates that can't handle their own personal finances why would anyone want them to handle tax money? Most people would not want that so you and they work to keep the information covered up and hidden. Would you knowingly, well obviously you would, put a fox in charge of the henhouse? Putting a thief in as commissioner is no different. Yes, two of them are thieves based on the fact they have taken money they were not entitled to. They didn't rob with a gun no it was more sleazy than that they rob with deceit and lies and then are protected by people like you who prefer a fantasy over the reality.
When a person has been on the commission for twenty years and can't show any accomplishments why should people continue to vote for that person.
EVERYTHING I PUT IN THAT NEWSPAPER AD WAS SOLID TRUTH. I think you know that and that's the reason you have increased your attacks with even more outrageous lies.
The main difference between me and the other candidates in the 7th District is that I am involved. In the past eight years I have attended far more committee meetings than all four combined. I have studied the TCA and know the procedures that have to be followed, I will continue to study and research and even more I will not allow projects to just lay in the dust waiting for something to happen. I can make things happen by using the law and the rules. The biggest difference is that I will keep the people informed, and seek their thoughts in town hall meetings before every Commission Meeting.
If you read the newspaper article where candidates answered questions ask why so many didn't even bother to respond. Commissioner Harwell and I spoke at the event sponsored by the Democrat Party at the high school, I have attended and spoken to every group that offered the opportunity, Mrs. Goolsby, Mrs Coleman and Mr Campbell have avoided speaking to the public completely. Mrs Goolsby's response to the question "What changes in county government would you like to see made?" Even with more than two weeks to consider that question she showed no knowledge of the current situation. With that attitude how long will it take for her to become informed.
It's important that those elected be ready to work from day one because in that very first commission meeting after the election they will have some very important decisions to make.
Barrett...
No it is you who is on the attack. I just happen to see through it and plead with you to stop. Talk about your own supposed "merits" and stop trying to tear down the opposition. It makes you look desperate and insecure. Oh, and by the way, I thought you and the other two were so against anyone assuming to know the thoughts and intents of another's heart. Aren't you being a bit hypocritical to suggest that it's ok with me that a fox guard the henhouse.
As for that sleazeball piece you put in the paper, I amazed that you have such audacity. And then you have the nerve to criticize Mrs. Goolsby for asking about what changes for county government. She asks a legitimate question and someone like you has the nerve to put a spin on it. Again, you ought to be ashamed of yourself, but I'm fairly certain that you have no shame when it comes to trying to get on the commission. Well, it's not going to happen, so you might as well stop the attacks. It really makes you look even worse than you are.
That is not what a lot of people I am speaking with are saying. They are starting to inquire, which is good for the citizens. Citizens who are informed to the truth are citizens who can make an informed decision at the voting booths.
12:20 Do you ever bother to read the things you respond to?
Mrs Goolsby did not ask the question about the changes in county government she would like to see the question was asked of her, and her answer was "it would be presumptuous to have already formed a firm plan at this time." Well, if she doesn't have enough understanding of the county government to even have an opinion why is she running for office, to keep things as they have been for the past twelve years. Well, that is exactly why she was recruited by Mrs Vanzant to run. It has been revealed that Mrs Vanzant had lost confidence in Mrs. Coleman being re-elected and sought Mrs. Goolsby as her replacement.
If Mrs Goolsby was waiting to hear from the people in the 7th district before forming an opinion what has she done to actually hear those people?
As I stated earlier a commissioner needs to be prepared on day one because they will be making some very important decisions.
As for judging your heart, I never did that, I simply reflected on your behavior. Your words of support for stealing, lying, incompetent money management and abuse of citizens makes it very clear as to what you believe. When you knowingly support a thief then you become a part of the thievery. That is what the meaning of the word enabler is.
As for your suggestion that I would do anything to get on the commission is a judgement. There are many things I would not do and have not done. I would not lie to get on the commission or steal or inflate my involvement's or thousands of other things. As I have stated my integrity is far more important to me than any human position and my relationship with God is foremost in importance.
If I lose it will not make a big difference in my life, I can pay the wheel tax, and property tax increase. I can take care of my family in face of the abuse. The reason I am such a threat to Mrs. Vanzant and her bunch is the very fact they have nothing they can use against me to make me toe their line. If I lose I will be just find but the people of the county will continue to suffer. I love this county and have endured a lot of abuse in an effort to improve the conditions in which we the people live.
I am very proud of the things I have accomplished in my life and a person like you with your warped sense of right and wrong will never make me second guess myself. What you think of me is infinitely less important to me than what God thinks of me.
Good post, Mr. Barrett. For what it's worth, I don't think we'll be hearing from the crazed one too much longer. I'm pretty sure the men with white coats will be along to collect him shortly. It seems his already tenacious hold on reality is being loosened even more by his obsession with you and the "other two on here."
Barrett...
Suffice it to say that I was in somewhat of a hurry and may have overlooked what Mrs. Goolsby said. But, in quickly passing through your epistle, I was more concerned with the meatier things you had to say. Namely, your "suggestion" that she might not be competent or fit for the job. Well, understand this; she has more integrity in her little finger than you have in your entire body.
I think you are telling another lie about Mrs. Vanzant's recruiting of Mrs. Goolsby. No, she decided this on her own, and don't bother asking how I know this. So stop lying for Pete's sakes! Now, as for Mrs. Vanzant, if she tried to recruit anybody for 7th District, I believe it would be with the idea of making sure that YOU don't get elected. You see, as long as there are at least four running for 7th District and one of them is you then it's a done deal. You will come in last. And even if Mrs. Vanzant asked someone to run to make sure you lose, isn't that her prerogative? Isn't that why certain people have been recruited to run against Mrs. Vanzant? I believe it is. And Mrs. Goolsby will be ready on day one.
You say that if you lose the people of the county will continue to suffer. Who do you think you are? And what you think of me is far less important to me than what God thinks of me. That goes both ways, pal.
At it again, eh dumbass? You spent the first part of your post testifying that JV didn't do any recruiting and the last part explaining how she did. You honestly don't even read what YOU type, do you? Oh my, what a dumbass enabler you are.
WAB - Similarly to JVZ, I am curious to know what you think that you have done to improve the county?
I'm having a difficult time seeing it from you, or her. You are just at total opposite ends of the spectrum.
"No it is you who is on the attack. I just happen to see through it and plead with you to stop."
Sounds like a lie to me. HE/she does attack. He/she sometimes says why don't you stop the attack, but he always goes on with an attack.
2:32
enabler of a lie
What I said is so what if Mrs. Vanzant did recruit someone to keep Barrett off the commission. Is it not her right to act on her own convictions? Isn't that the same thing a little group has been doing behind closed doors and in secret for quite awhile? Of course it is, and you really can't argue with that. But you will. Laughable.
4:05 I don't know who you are posting to, but I've thought for several years a lot goes on behind close doors in Giles county. Some commissioners get to the meeting and don't know what the others know. They aren't the only ones does that.
3:56 That's right he does attack more than he pleads stop. Does he really plead stop? LOL
Mr. Barrett,
According to this blog, the purpose of the "Giles Free Speech Zone" is to identify problems of concern to the people of Giles County, to discuss them in a gentlemanly and civil manner, while referring to the facts and giving evidence to back up whatever claims are made, making logical arguments that avoid any use of fallacy, and, hopefully, to come together in agreement, and find a positive solution to the problem at hand.
You stated in your post at 1:35 pm 7/24/14 the following: “Well, that is exactly why she was recruited by Mrs. Vanzant to run. It has been revealed that Mrs. Vanzant had lost confidence in Mrs. Coleman being re-elected and sought Mrs. Goolsby as her replacement.”
Would you please provide your readers with evidence to back up this claim. Thank you.
5:24
Barrett is always demanding "proof", so let's see how he answers this one...if he does. What a snake in the grass.
Voters in 7th District. Do the county a huge favor and re-elect Mr. Harwell, Mrs. Coleman, and Mrs. Goolsby. If not all three of them, return Tommy Campbell instead. Let's keep Allen Barrett off the commission.
Mr. Barrett...You falsely accused Mrs. Vanzant of going out and recruiting Mrs. Goolsby. That sir is a lie, and you need to apologize.
By the way, is it not true that a small group claiming to speak for the local Republican party went out and recruited a candidate to run against Mrs. Vanzant? THAT is all over town. Don't take my word for it; just ask around. Would you by any chance know anything about that? Please be truthful.
Giles County is known for rumors.
When someone don't like something they start a tale. It may be true and it may not.
Calling someone a snake in the grass is is not a nice thing a Christian would say. Not a ulgy word, but they way something is said isn't said by a nice person.
Barrett says things I think he shouldn't but if he says something does it make you better to try and top it?
Pray for our elected leaders like Vansant and Obama.
I suggest Psalm 109 Verse 8.
7:18
Well, didn't Jesus refer to some as vipers? I t3hink snake in the grass is a fitting description of one who does things that earn him the title.
I'm not trying to top Barrett on anything, but when he behaves as he does, I will point it out. And he is lying about Mrs. Goolsby. That's a fact, but I'm sure he will put some sort of spin on it.
Oops - sorry Mrs. Vanzant I misspelled your last. Please accept my apology.
Back to the subject, is it a legal charity?
Is it possible that Harwell uses comp time to attend meeting during the work day?
Sorry, but my sources wish to remain anonymous just as you do. I will however, with their permission, reveal their names the day you reveal yours.
Mrs Goolsby has made the statement more than once that she was asked to run. She has every right to run for what ever reason she chooses but I believe that the people also have a right to know.
As for your paranoia about some small group picking candidates I would say that would be the democrat and republican parties. I have nothing to do with the decisions of either nor was I in attendance when such decisions might have been made.
You can try all you want to keep the discussion away from the topic but the truth remains the truth. Mrs Vanzant violated yet another law and/or county policy by secretly giving thousands of tax dollars to an organization that never applied through the proper channels of the budget committee or the commissioners.
She also violated the law by arbitrarily appointing the county attorney for a two year term instead of four years terms.
As County Executive she is expected to know the laws and follow them. Her continual plea of I didn't know has become way over used.
9:28/9:32
May I suggest a few verses for Barrett, and the other troublemakers? Are you one of them?
Let's start off with Proverbs 6:16-19. Most of those verses describe troublemakers perfectly.
Let's add to the mix some others. There are many, but these seem to be verses that hit the spot. For your consideration:
Romans 12:18
James 3:17-18
Phil. 2:3-4
Barrett
So what if Shelly was asked to run? And what business is it of yours or mine who asked her? More to the point, even if Mrs. Vanzant had asked her, what's wrong with that? Lots of people are asked by those who know them. I have been asked more than once, but I would have no part of it because of people out there like you. And while those like you are very small in number, I just don't think I would have the temperament to put up with them. I'm certain that I couldn't put up with your smart mouth. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but that's how I feel about the matter.
LOOK, you told a lie about Mrs. Goolsby, and the readers DO have a right to know where you got your evidence. You like to demand proof from others. Now's your chance to offer your proof. Could you stop attacking Mrs. Vanzant long enough to explain?
Lastly, it's not paranoia about the little group who claims to represent the Republican Party. It's a fact, and you know it. Your saying you were not in attendance when decisions were made indicts you as one who does know that group exists. And now they, like you, are supporting yet another one to run against Mrs. Vanzant. I'm convinced that you know all about this. You even supported them on that Republican Primary fiasco which cost Giles County taxpayers over twenty thousand dollars. I hope the voters of Giles County remember this when they go to the polls.
Lastly, you mentioned my attempt to keep the "discussion" away from the topic. I had to laugh. This is not discussion. It's a witch hunt against Mrs. Vanzant and your opponents in 7th District. Any discussion seems to center around my asking you and your buddies to stop the mudslinging and misrepresentations and start running a clean campaign.
If voters remember that Barrett supported the Republican election and don't remember the money Vanzant gave without the commissioners knolwing and the way she lets Ms Coleman get her pay for a meeting she didn't attend, along with the 70 thousand she cost the taxpayers because she did 't want to interview a black person then what ever happens to the taxpayers is good enough for them.
I wonder if 7:05 knows what a clean campaign is. He slings mud as good as anyone.
I wonder if he is the one change churches this year.
Mr. Barrett,
I am 5:24 pm who asked that you provide evidence to back up a statement you posted on the blog. I did not ask you to reveal your sources. If you have the evidence to back up this statement, you could provide it without revealing your sources. Your statement would be more credible. I was hoping this would be the case. Otherwise, the statement is like most made on this blog, nothing more than hearsay. I hope you will reconsider and provide the evidence without revealing your sources. Otherwise, some readers and potential voters may consider this evidence the same as the “evidence” you had on Mr. McAlister during the last election.
As for revealing my name, you might be surprised by who I am. I have been in your company before and have relatives that are friends and supporters of yours, some that will be voting for you. I don’t live in your district so I can’t. The next time I see you, I will introduce myself again.
Good luck on your campaign. Personally, I think it would be quite interesting to see what you could actually do as a member of the commission.
7:05
Thanks, 7:05 am. Words you used in your posting just revealed who you are!
There you go making up stuff again enabler. If you can make your brain work normally for just a bit, try and remember. Barrett was against the Repub primary at the beginning. Look back on this very blog and even you will see the truth of that. Once passed, however, Barrett did use it. Just like an income tax law we might not agree with. Once it has passed, we all use it if it helps us in any way. Take your spin off of matters if your obsession will allow.
The title of enabler that I used was a term that I decided upon myself. I came to use this term for you after reading virtually every post you have made on here since the blog's inception. Thank you.
Mr. Barrett seems to think that slinging mud against his opponents builds him up. It doesn't. It just makes him look mean-spirited and spiteful. We are a small county and have to work with each other after all the politicking is over. Best we elect people who show respect to one another and who can work in harmony. We have seen what partisan dividedness and partisan hatred has done in Washington. We don't need it here dividing neighbor from neighbor.
Have you not watched elections in other cities and counties? This is just politics. Nothing unusual about any of this except the enabler's stance. He has gone completely off his rocker. Sad.
I for one, want to know the facts about the people running, not rumors. Like the earlier post about the judge candidate, Koger, whose land is in foreclosure. Those notices were in the paper. No rumor. We should know about that. I cannot vote for anyone in any office whose property is in default.
This blog should not just be about Vanzant. There are many other races that should be discussed. So WAB, please don't sound like a broken record and get back to the purpose of the blog.
How about those who have declared bankruptcy and neglected to tell the voters? Is that not something we should be aware of in someone who is going to handle our tax money? Same thing, isn't it?
Absolutely! And that is exactly what I am talking about. I don't know who you're talking about with the bankruptcy, but I would like to know before I vote. That is important to me. I don't want someone like that managing tax money any more than I want a Judge who borrows money and defaults on the pay back.
I agree with you completely, 3:52. The bankruptcy fact was about Mrs. Coleman in the 7th district race and was posted on here by Barrett. He was accused of attacking the person. I don't agree. I think that is information that we, as voters, should be aware of. It seems very pertinent to me.
Didn't the Harwells's also take bankruptcy?
I'm more concern with Mrs. Vanzant putting Mrs. Coleman's name down as being at a meeting she got there at the end and got paid as if she was there all the time.
Vicki Harwell did and Terry conveniently forgot to disclose the fact with his financial statement.
If a candidate makes a poor decision in the past, that is one thing. but to not disclose it or hide it during the election and us to find out about through other means is another. I want to hear about their good qualities as well as the bad; that is only fair.
2:31 how can you have respect for people who are stealing from you and lying to you.?
Telling about a someone running for office and showing poor judgement and their stealing and bankruptcies has nothing to do with making the person telling bigger or smaller on the ones doing wrong are made smaller.
5:49 I'd say the biggest amount of lying and misrepresenting has been done by those who are waging an ever escalating war against the 7th District commissioners and Mrs. Goolsby. I'm going to laugh when it backfires on them again. People are talking and I am listening. They do not appreciate the mudslinging. You'll see.
So did Barrett lie about these people or do you just support wrong doing by them 6:38
Funny how the people who are more concerned about harmony, peace, respect, etc are the ones who generally support a candidate who is under fire..."sure, I did something questionable but let's not talk about this right now, let's just get along ...." What a crock---they show no respect for a candidate or anything that suggests doing things different, just dub them a troublemaker.
Oh my goodness. "People are talking and I am listening." Jeez. "He's a picking and I'm a grinning." "I'm a little bit country and she's a little bit rock and roll." Following that vein of reasoning, "The enabler is telling lies and everyone else is trying to set him straight." What a loser he must be.
To the Christian Gentleman
Is it true Mrs. Vanzant has been giving between three and five hundred taxpayer dollars each year to a “charity” identified as “Night Out Against Crime”?
Was it her mon ey or taxpayers?
8:00/8:53/9:06/9:18
enabler of a lie
I'll ask you again. Exactly what lies have I been telling? I'd really like you to answer that question please.
You talk about peace and harmony. There will never be any of that in our county as long as those like you two individuals and Allen Barrett are causing so much trouble. Do you ever feel the slightest bit of shame for that? You two are the enablers of his lying and his misbehaving. And let's not forget who is behind the 7th District candidates being under fire. That individual is Allen Barrett and you two arte enabling that as well. Shame on you. Why can't at least one of the three of you talk about how his own ideas and stop trying to hurt the opposition? Could you respond to that please?
Finally, I have no idea if Mrs. Vanzant was using her money or funds set aside for discretionary spending. Instead of listening to the hate and resentment from Barrett about this matter, why not just call Mrs. Vanzant and ask her? It's as simple as that. Stop trying to make trouble.
I agree with you cg. It is a shame that Mr. Barrett and two others are the ones putting the District 7 commissioners under fire and the shame is that its only three people and not everyone in the district doing it! These people want to control your money and your livelihood. Why in the world would you let someone do that when they can't even control their own?
cg, why do you always demand for people to answer your questions yet there is a blog full of unanswered questions on her for you?
Why don't you call Janet and ask her then you might finally have some proof that Mr. Barrett lied and you can stop falsely accusing him and stop trying to cause trouble? Better yet, why don't you just look across the breakfast table and ask her? Oh, does she not respond to faceto face questions either?
7:29
enabler of a lie
No, you don't agree with me at all. As I said, you three just want to be in control (and you never will be) and cause trouble for those who are...the ones the people voted to be in office. Too bad they don't want "your people" telling them what to do. Isn't that what this cleverly contrived little war against Mrs. Vanzant and the 7th District commissioner candidates is all about?
It is not tropublemaking for anyone to ask those that are elected about what they do.
You should answer other people's questions and show you aren't an enabler.
You rather ask and demand they answer you.
and I want to know if stolen county property is found in the home of someone running for the county commission. That is much more important to me than someone who missed a mortgage payment.
Good morminmg to all enabler of 7th District Commissioners, Mrs. Vanzant and Mr. Barrett.
What a beautiful day why don't you go out and enjoy it instead of staying in spewing on this blog.
I think that would make the good Lord happy. He is watching all of you.
8:39 Why don't you call Barrett and ask him?
Or call your Aunt.
Vanzant stated in the commissioners meeting that she had been giving between 3 and 5 hundred dollars each year to this group. That was tax money taken out
out of her budget and not her personal money. Don't ask Janet ask Carol Wade to see the minutes from the meeting.
What people should be remembering is that Jesus was labeled a troublemaker by the people in power cause they couldn't attack His message either.
The main lie the enabler tells is that there is smearing and attacks happening. It looks to me like it's the truth and public record. He don't like it because it reveals a less-than-stellar side of his office buddies. I would be the first to condemn posting information that wasn't true but facts should be known by the voters. We should try to make informed decisions based on a candidate's record and abilities.
I think I may have missed something. When did telling the truth about someone or something that they have tried to cover up become a cleverly contrived little war?
Thank you 10:34.
Mrs. Vanzant admitted she gave the money, so why is it wrong to tell it?
That may sound like smearing her good name, but is telling the truth wrong? The voters have a right to konw how their tax dollars are spent.
I would like to know what Nights Out gainst Crime does? Is that something like neighborhood watch?
Obviously the enabler believes telling the truth is wrong. Oh, I guess it's ok if it doesn't hurt anyone's feelings. What a shame if he is representative of our Christian brethren.
night out against crime is a cook out.
11:45 Are you kidding?
No, not kidding 2:53 Google National Night Out Against Crime. Barrett is right the he local group is not a 501c charity probably why it was given money in secret.
Hey WHINNEY BABY ... what say you now?
I know ....
"Not to worry; Mrs. Vanzant possibly made a mistake but he is well loved and can do no wrong."
BULL ... this is another example of her inability to manage honorably.
11:33
enabler. You just told another lie. You say what a shame that I represent Christians? Aren't you judging me enabler? I thought you guys were all against judging...unless you three are the ones doing the judging.
6:52,
Have you ever claimed to be a Christian?
6:41 AM None of the department budgets have a "Discretionary" line item. The money had to have been taken from a padded account, yet they still want a wheel tax and property tax hike.
6:57 I claim it right now. Don't you?
CG you judge Barrett and the three you think are his buddies so they have the right to judge you.
9:10
I ask Barrett and the other TWO, yourself perhaps one of them, to stop attacking others. Ones actions judges him or her in the eyes of the community, and ultimately in the eyes of God.
While God is our Judge He has given us all brains to judge the behavior of those around us if we want them to lead us or control our lives. No reasonable person would choose to put a person with bad character in charge. Mrs Vanzant and Mrs Coleman and Mr Harwell may be really good people with a lot of great qualities but they each have shown some really bad behavior. There's no question they can be forgiven for that behavior but they have not proven that behavior will not be repeated and that is why I can not vote for them and find it unreasonable that others who know about the bad behavior could support them either.
Great post Mr. Edwards. You sound reasonable but don't expect a reasonable response from the enabler.
Thank you Mr. Edwards for bring a slice of civility to this Blog.
I suspect that WHINEY BABY will again call us "troublemakers". So be it. I would rather be called a troublemaker than vote for Vanzant who is a proven liar and crook.
Don't be so hare on the enabler y'all. He appears to only be in favor of breaking the small laws. You know, stealing, lying, misuse of office and maybe spitting on the sidewalk. No one ever gets hurt when someone breaks these little laws; I don't know why we have them anyway. Hell enabler, I believe your right. Why don't you make a list of the small laws you don't think anyone should follow and I'll probably back you up. Come on, post a list dumbass.
J.W.
That's your right, and I do not judge or criticize you for it. But I know the individuals personally and know them not to be people of bad character, regardless of what people like Allen Barrett and his two loyalists have to say about it. Again, thanks for the civil manner in which you are willing to share your views. This is as it should be.
I saw Harwell in action at the chili cook off and if that's how people of the 7th District want their Commissioner to act, so be it.
If the people of Giles County don't care if the county mayor pays commissioners for being at a meeting they didn't get to until it over, so be it.
Let' have a wheel tax and raise property tax, Vanzant, Harwell and Coleman need a raise.
You didn't even read Mr.Edward's post, did you enabler? If you did, you would see that he also believes your good friends acted with bad character. That's plainly in his comment yet you choose to take a jab at AB and his "however many" followers. He also finds you unreasonable for supporting them, as in "enabling." You have some personal issues you should really take the time to work out. I'm sure anyone stuck in your company would thank you.
I was riding up Factory Creek and noticed that they were digging a place to start putting in water lines up there and I want to know when they are going to get up to Hams Creek. I hope they have not run out of money.
Barrett
So the war against 7th District and Mrs. Vanzant continues. This is totally disgusting, and makes you look scared and desperate. And don't lie and say you are not behind this.
Barrett didn't write that, I did. What's wrong with asking a question. I just wanted to know.
8:20 PM Call your county commissioner, He knows.
It just occurred to me that it's pointless to argue with the troublemakers, so may I suggest some Bible passages for us all to read and consider? How about Proverbs 6:16-19 and Matthew 7:12. More later.
You want Bible verses how about these commandments,
"Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,"
Now just for your benefit since you may have missed this one or possibly just decided to exclude it from your verse salad:
"Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;"
Eph. 5:11 New American Standard Version
You want Bible verses how about these commandments,
"Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,"
Now just for your benefit since you may have missed this one or possibly just decided to exclude it from your verse salad:
"Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;"
Eph. 5:11 New American Standard Version
I'm so glad you posted that twice. Maybe the ensbler will at least read one of them before he starts spouting off.
Wow, that verse was tailor made for the enabler. Wonder what kind of spin he'll put on that one. Have y'all noticed that when he cannot refute the facts he just comes back with a really original "that's a lie." Good work enabler.
I am quite sick of the term "enabler". Let's move on!
Offer some comments then 10:09. This topic is about the CE giving away money illegally. What is your opinion on that?
Be careful 5th district voters, Melissa Greene is a puppet of Barrett's and she is eyeing the county executives seat!
If that's not cg, he needs to jump all over it. That's what an attack looks like. A random statement, with no proof, designed purely to hurt someone.
3:34 She has as much right to run for CE next election as JPV has.
Have the Greens pissed jv off?
Thou shalt not steal band equipment.
attack enabler attack.
What does the Bible say about that?
Mr. Barrett told about that so you aren't as cute as you think you are.
lol. what made you think I was talking about Barrett? Do you just naturally think of him when you hear about stolen property?
That is very interesting. and telling.
Who the hell else do you talk about you enabler coward. I never seen anything you comment on that don't have something to do with Barrett no matter what the subject you always make it about Mr. Barrett.
I hope he finds out who you are and stomps your sorry ass.
Barrett
That's exactly what I'm trying to do....expose the unfruitful works of darkness...those who would meet in secret and plot and plan strategies that would include hurting and smearing those t3hey resent or whom the feel are in the way to whatever goals they have. A2re you not a part of that?
By the way, let's look at Proverbs 6:16-19 again and make the application. Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush to mischief, a false witness, and a person (LIKE YOU) who stirs up conflict in the community. In my opinion, these abominations describe you perfectly.
And for those two followers, I just want to let them know that I wasn't on the blog at all yesterday, and they still dogged and attacked me. Do you have some sort of mind control over them, or are they close family members?
5:38 A post of a Christian?
9:50 A[popst of scheminmg to hurt someone? LOL
Anonymous said...
8:20 PM Call your county commissioner, He knows.
5:38 You talk about lyimg in your post. Are you really saying the following post wasn't yours?
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:32:00 AM
Anonymous said...
It just occurred to me that it's pointless to argue with the troublemakers, so may I suggest some Bible passages for us all to read and consider? How about Proverbs 6:16-19 and Matthew 7:12. More later.
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:35:00 AM
Yesterday? What a joke you are.
The more you stir shit the more it stinks. Sometimes it's best to ignore things.
You are so predictable enabler. The Bible never condemns a witness only a false witness. What you have said about me is pure false witness as you have provided absolutely no evidence or any documentation to support your false witness. You haven't even been willing or able to provide any evidence in support of the things you have said about yourself.
On the other hand Every claim I have made I have provided the evidence. I provided the sign in sheet where Mrs. Vanzant signed Mrs Coleman in for a meeting she had missed and instructed that she be paid for that meeting. I supplied the evidence that Terry Harwell was being paid with tax money twice for the same hours. I provided the evidence of Mrs. Vanzant, her own words to the County Commission, giving thousands of dollars of tax money to a questionable charity without authority.
There are many examples of Mrs Vanzant's lies that I proved, and many more underhanded dealings against citizens that I won't realist here, since it's doubtful you will read this far before making another attack comment.
As for the "lie" you claim I told about you being an enabler of wrong doing, well, you have supplied all the evidence necessary, dozens and dozens of post where you supported wrongdoing on many different levels. to prove you are an enabler of wrong doing,
Here's a simple example of your enabling. While you finally and under the burden of overwhelming evidence, admitted that Mrs. Coleman should give back the money she took that she was not entitled to, you never addressed the issue of Mrs. Vanzant having signed her in while knowing that she had not been there, then making the notation that she should and Tommy Campbell were to be $30.00 each. Was Mrs. Vanzant wrong to defraud the people in such a way? To support her in this matter means you enabler her to continue such behavior.
It's no different than when people supported the president in his illegal actions to make recess appointments while the Senate was clearly not in recess.
I'm not Barrett but lets not forget how the enabler condoned Terry Harwell's actions at the Chili cook off and then promoted the lie that Terry was somehow protecting his wife and continues to enable this lie to date. That is a true example of an enabler of a lie.
Who started that lie in the first place? Answer the Harwell's.
Doesn't matter what Barrett says the enabler speaks for itself and has cemented itself as a liar and an enabler.
The enabler is so upset he forgot he posted yesterday and lied saying he didn't.
It did not forget. It is just a liar.
All this carrying on about $300 - $500 per year to a civic event pales in comparison to the tens of thousands that was wasted on the primary where only 4 people ran, including Mr. Barrett. If he really cared about wasting money, he would condemn the primary, not the $300 or so for a civic event, or $30 for a commissioner. All this mewling and caterwauling is just to distract from the big bucks that were wasted.
The two issues do not compare 2:56. One was an illegal activity by the county executive while the other was a man participating in a primary that was instituted by a formal process. In addition, if you can take a bit of time off from your "mewling and caterwauling," read the earlier topics on this blog. Barrett clearly took the position that he was NOT in favor of the repub primary. Once it passed, however, he naturally took what advantage of it there was. You, or anyone else, would and has done the same. You need to find a bit firmer ground to stand on. At least find some truth to tell.
3:23 Good post.
Tp bad cg can't take time out from his "mewling and caterwauling" to see what is really going on.
He think im and his buddies are above everyone and can do what ever they want.
In one of his "mewling and caterwauling" he said saw a sign in Barrett's yard. Now does he live in that neighborhood or was he just trying to see Barrett since he thinks of him so much?
Not on the topic of this thread, but it's been lost anyway.
What is going on with the Bryant-Holt election?
Barrett
Then stop bearing false witness (lying) about me. You also told a lie about Mrs. Vanzant asking Mrs. Goolsby to run. STOP LYING.
Why don't you provide evidence that Mrs Vanzant did that? You are worse than a snake in the grass.
I would ask you to again read Proverbs 6: 16-19 and find out more about what you are really all about. Then I would suggest James 3:16. More later.
You really are a snake in the grass, and my prayer is that you are soundly defeated once again. But of course, you can then go home with your tail on fire and your "integrity" intact. What a laugh. And I'm sure Mrs. Vanzant can count on having to put up with your troublemaking for four more years.
I love election time when alan barrett and his 3 followers all try to bash everyone that has been elected and does not bow down to madam barrett. Then after the election he will be bashing the polling machines and then try to sue his way into office. Oh what a wonderful every four years. When are you going to call the Nashville news down??
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God hates Giles County
9:34 With an attacking person claiming to be a Christian living in it?
8:12 Since you like to post verses in the Bible to be read let me give you something to look up.
What about a person getting mad at one church and changing to another church? Is there anything in the Bible about that?
CG When are you going to admit you did post Monday? You know you told a lie.
People please, take a little bit of time to craft your comments. Some of these, in your haste to take jabs it seems, are quite incomprehensible. Fewer childish remarks, more proofreading.
He can't be bothered trying to substantiate his lies 9:59, he is too busy accusing others, also with no proof. Just think of how little time he would have if he had to prove every desperate slight he directed towards others. Hell, between that and seeing his therapist, he wouldn't have any alone time at all.
yawn
Damn 10:22, do you need someone to tell you your opinion? Your material is getting kind of old.
I think she was just bored with the lack of content on here.
9:59 As I said, cite the post. If I did make the post and forgot, I will admit it. It could be that I made a post before I left the house that day, but I honestly don't think so. While you are "citing", please allow me to refer you to Exodus 20:16 and I Peter 3:16.
Here's one enabler. Anonymous Anonymous said...
8:20 PM Call your county commissioner, He knows.
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:32:00 AM
Check the other topics. I'm sure you just forgot about them too.
How could you forget? What a joke you are.
Anonymous said...
It just occurred to me that it's pointless to argue with the troublemakers, so may I suggest some Bible passages for us all to read and consider? How about Proverbs 6:16-19 and Matthew 7:12. More later.
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:35:00 AM
That's when you first started your sermons. Which fit you msame as anyone else. So practice what you preach cg.
Good Morning. I'm out of town and found a computer I could use so thought I would check in and see what Mrs. Vanzant was up too today.
Nothing new on the blog? Same old bs.
8:47 There is now a new thread on the blog. I though of a few things to say on it, but thought I would wait and see how long it takes the great one to start making it about him/her.
Then we will talk more about paying a commissioner for being at a meeting she got to as it adjourned.
8:01 Is the Christian Genleman lying again?
Drugs in the workplace is one if the biggest problems we have in Giles County. Are you seriously bitching about the CE giving $300 to help fight this? You should talk some of the dumbass commissioners I to giving $30000 to fight the drug situation in our county!
2:57 sorry DA ! IT'S NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AGAINST CRIME! Not take a day off of drugs. Do people even bother reading before they snort that last line and post?
Evidently not 4:03. That's much of the reason we're in the mess we are in. Also it was not 300 bucks and it was not giving the money that was the point. The ce gave the money, only meant to charities, to this grilling organization. That's the point.
The point again why did Vanzant not tell anyone what she was doing. Why did Vanzant put Ms Coleman's name down as being at a meeting that was over before she got there? Why was Campbell there in Mrs. Coleman's place if she planned on showing up?
No wonder the hospital money is gone.
Vanzant should be ashame of herself for what she's done.
5:37 You forgot about the chili cook off. I just watched the video and saw how a great commissioner bragged about how he was a County Commissioner and he called a man a name unbecominmg.
Are people still going to be silly enough to vote him in again?
5:54 Yes they will. Friendship and family makes people do strange things.
i am calling channel 4. I saw Allen Barebutt moving signs on the Minor Hill highway this morning. I have it on video---- just like Barebutt did!!!!!
8:48 Why don't you do that? They will want your name, so coward you want do that, all you know how to do is fart.
What happen to the school money that was missing under Tee Jackson?
8:48 probably took it to go to culinary flatulence school.
Is the enabler trying to change the way he post hoping will forget he lied about not posting on Monday?
Has anyone seen an apology?
Anonymous"Anonymous said...
1. 9:59 As I said, cite the post. If I did make the post and forgot, I will admit it. It could be that I made a post before I left the house that day, but I honestly don't think so. While you are "citing", please allow me to refer you to Exodus 20:16 and I Peter 3:16.
Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:00:00 AM
Anonymous said...
It just occurred to me that it's pointless to argue with the troublemakers, so may I suggest some Bible passages for us all to read and consider? How about Proverbs 6:16-19 and Matthew 7:12. More later.
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:35:00 AM
You know, 7:23, in order for the enabler to apologize he would have to admit that he was wrong. I don't think his mental illness will allow that.
7:43 I think you are right.
6:54 Please please please buy a dictionary.
Has anyone seen an apology?
Anonymous"Anonymous said...
9:59 As I said, cite the post. If I did make the post and forgot, I will admit it. It could be that I made a post before I left the house that day, but I honestly don't think so. While you are "citing", please allow me to refer you to Exodus 20:16 and I Peter 3:16.
Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:00:00 AM
Anonymous said...
It just occurred to me that it's pointless to argue with the troublemakers, so may I suggest some Bible passages for us all to read and consider? How about Proverbs 6:16-19 and Matthew 7:12. More later.
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:35:00 AM
7:43/7:48 I know you are wrong. What about that, enabler?
8:17 Then why don't he admit he did post on Momday July 28?
CG the enabler is often saying to WAB, “Stop lying.”
Don’t you think he needs to take his own advice?
From the thread of
Monday, July 21, 2014
News From The County Legislative Body That Met This Morning
The enabler posted:
Anonymous said...
Barrett
Read Proverbs 6:16-19 and Matthew 7:12. Make the proper application and stop with the jealousy and resentment. It's YOUR fault that the voters don't want you. Think about that.
Calling me names only makes you look worse. And I have decided that it is a waste of time to argue back and forth with you and those other two, so I will leave you with some Bible verses from time to time in hopes that you will have that Eureka Moment wherein you will come to realize what you are doing.
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:52:00 AM
Then dined posting it on the same thread.
Anonymous said...
Barrett
That's what I've been trying to do...expose YOU.
By the way, I wasn't on the blog at all yesterday. I needed your enabling duo to know that.
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:03:00 AM
He was dining while posting? And there is a problem with that?
Typical of a dumbass who doesn't have anything to offer. You really should brush up on the topics so you could add something relevant.
A hang over so early in the morning would keep you from remembering you posted?
I think just someone tells lies.
Yeah, many of his posts lead me to believe he is an alcoholic. Poor thing.
stay on topic please
6:05 Was this your post?
"Anonymous said...
Barrett
You really are a snake, aren't you? Why can't you just run your own campaign based on your own "merits" (laughing) and stop taking cheap shots at Mrs. Vanzant and at least one of your 7th District opponents on a daily basis?
Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:53:00 PM"
Post by this person is why every topic gets changed.
If you aren't him, you must be taking up for a person who claims to be a Christian, but lies.
Not admitting he posted on Monday really makes him look bad.
Kind of like he got caught with his pants down.
wab---what a butt.
Really 9:19? That's all you got? You are definitely a child playing on his parents computer. Bad moron, bad.
8:03 enabler of One Shot
Are you a complete idiot of what? Just asking.
YES, that was my post that you cited. So if it was made on a day that I got up early, checked the blog, and then left, I will say, "I forgot; enablers, please forgive me". NOW will you drop this idiocy? Gotcha? What a joke.
7:02 Took you long enough. I was begining if you would lie about that, what else would you lie about.
Is your mind really getting that bad that you would forget you posted?
7:27
You are hilarious.
Is that the enabler that says he did post on Monday or one of his friends posting for him because they were so embrassed for him?
He knows he reads and post early every morning so why lie and say he didn't. Then say cite the post and he would apologize, then refuse to do it.
7:48 Are you insane or just plain stupid. This has been explained already. Why can't you let it go? You need some serious counseling.
Did whinney explain about his lies? I missed that. Did he also apologize?
He should on every thread.
Did he give a pitful excuse?
boring
Boring because they are telling what a crying liar you are?
Talk about counseling. You need it.
8:29 What's wrong, can't take the heat?
no heat toward me. Just a boring blog to read now.
Why do you get up and read the blog so early in the morning then?
Can't you find anything better to do?
Probably not 11:05. I'm sure his wife wants him out of bed as soon as possible.
I did not post yesterday.
Once again the enabler proves to be a liar. He wrote at 6:46 Friday 1 Aug " I have no personal agenda against Allen Barrett"
But on 3 Aug. at 2:02 he wrote, "You are right. I do have something personal against One Shot. I believe he is a wicked man".
So not only does he lie about a personal feeling toward Barrett he judges his heart as being a wicked man. CG the enabler has a greater power than Jesus in determining who is wicked and who isn't well at least in his own perverted mind.
enabler of One Shot
Here you are spewing on the third thread in a row. Your obsession with me is troubling.
Have you not commented on the third thread in a row? Perhaps you should address your own obsession.
How about responding to your lie 9:57. Which of those two comments posts by 8:22 are true and which is a lie?
Give it up 7:05. The enabler posted on eleven of the threads with 8:22's post on them and has yet to address it. He can't spin the post, so he chooses to ignore it. I guess the term "loser" describes him about as well as enabler.
The enabler thinks the ones posting back to him have an obsession with him.
Enabler you have an obsession with WAB. What about that?
On one post you don't hate thim then another you do.
Yep! He's loosing it. Can't remember his post.
I count at least four different people posting on this thread alone. I guess the enabler only counts one. What a joke.
boring
now you have 5 posters here.
You are pretty boring, but thanks for admitting the number is at least 5.
Is it not a Free speech blog?
enabler of One Shot
I just had to laugh at your suggestion that I am losing it. I think you are completely nuts.
You can't stand the fact that I do not share your love for a known troublemaker. Too bad.
Can you three now give up your attacks on Mrs. Vanzant and the 7th District commissioners?
I can't stand the fact that you refuse to acknowledge the truth about your candidates. It's your business if you want to support liars and thieves, but don't act like it's our fault. Your people did what they did and neither you nor them show any remorse. What a guy you are enabler.
I'm sure you did enabler. Many insane people laugh for no reason. You know, ignorance is bliss so you should be laughing all the time.
Ignorance is having a lack of knowledge or information. We all have a certain amount of ignorance since no one knows everything about all things.
Stupidity is basically showing a lack of good sense or judgement.
Denial in psychological terms is a failure to acknowledge a proven truth or emotion and allow it into consciousness. It's a defensive mechanism used to avoid unacceptable truths. It's like the person who drinks two cases of beer every night but denies they have a drinking problem.
The CG enabler I believe is more intelligent than to be acting out of ignorance and is smart enough to know the truth with all the proofs that have accompanied those truths. That leaves only denial as the explanation for their continued embrace and support of bad behavior. There is no way a Christian or any ethical person would claim common stealing is acceptable. There is no way a Christian or an ethical person would say that lying for political or personal gain is acceptable. So the CG enabler in order to protect their point of view must dismiss all truth and evidence of truth and exist in a state of denial. To protect their cocoon of denial requires a dismissal of ordinary intelligence and integrity which they have done. I pity the CG enabler as they have abandoned all moral character in their effort to protect some who are clearly undeserving of such efforts.
Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:13:00 AM
Are you really too stupid to know your post is why Mrs. Vanzant and the 7th District Commissioners get attacked so.
Mr. Barret post things about them with proof. I have't seen anyone pove him wrong in what he said.
Then you come along spewing and making everyone mad, so we attack your buddies.
Wake up! No one is going to stop as long as you keep spewing. I didn't say stop posting, just stop your spewing that makes others mad.
2:08
Stop lying. And stop this childishness.
6:48 What was a lie in 2:08's post?
I think there is a lot of children posting on the blog or is it adults can't grow up.
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