Should Commissioners Be Paid If They Fail To Attend Meeting?
At the Legislative Committee Meeting on Thursday 10 July I raised the question of whether it was appropriate, ethical and legal to pay someone who did not attend meetings.
Currently the rule is that commissioners are paid for each committee and full commission meeting they attend.
I provided the example of Commissioner Coleman who was signed in on 24 April, by Mrs. Vanzant, as having attended the meeting and being paid a full thirty dollars as a committee member, after the budget committee meeting had been adjourned and several commissioners had already left the room.
There was some outraged defense from other 7th District Commissioners, that I had no business being allowed to even bring the subject up. Others suggested that all the commissioners be paid a flat fee for being commissioners whether they attended meetings or not. Even those who proposed that idea agreed that those who don't attend are less informed and able to represent their constituents. They even agreed that it was unfair to pay everyone the same amount whether they attended or not.
As for Commissioner Coleman she was thirty one minutes late for this one hour meeting adding to her unbroken string of being late or absent from over 97% of the committee meeting she is a member of.
Currently the rule is that commissioners are paid for each committee and full commission meeting they attend.
I provided the example of Commissioner Coleman who was signed in on 24 April, by Mrs. Vanzant, as having attended the meeting and being paid a full thirty dollars as a committee member, after the budget committee meeting had been adjourned and several commissioners had already left the room.
There was some outraged defense from other 7th District Commissioners, that I had no business being allowed to even bring the subject up. Others suggested that all the commissioners be paid a flat fee for being commissioners whether they attended meetings or not. Even those who proposed that idea agreed that those who don't attend are less informed and able to represent their constituents. They even agreed that it was unfair to pay everyone the same amount whether they attended or not.
As for Commissioner Coleman she was thirty one minutes late for this one hour meeting adding to her unbroken string of being late or absent from over 97% of the committee meeting she is a member of.
posted by Allen Barrett | 9:58 AM
189 Comments:
I agree that the commissioners should be paid a flat fee. There is much work that must be done prior to and after meetings. Our way is an antiquated way of business.
While we are talking about it, there are WAY too many commissioners. What can be done to reduce the number of uninformed representatives in the county.
While we are talking about it, there are way too many things going on that deserve way more attention than a $30 commissioner pay. It should be corrected, but it is such a small matter in the grand scheme of things.
Mr. Barrett
All you are doing is gaining votes for Mrs. Coleman. Good!
You're going to lose again in spite of your efforts to discredit your opponents. People do not like such underhanded tactics.
Yeah cg, finding out the truth always pisses me off too. What is wrong with you? Oh I forgot, you condone lying and other inappropriate behavior. Sorry.
$30.00 may seem like a little thing to you but it's a lot of money to some of us. Every $30.00 should be counted that why the county has no money now, they don't count the small amounts until after they grow into big amounts.
Again, the managing of commissioner pa should be fixed, but the focus should be on a balanced budget, fiscal responsibility, correctly overseeing and managing day to day activities, generating revenue and leading.
I'm afraid we need a whole new set of commissioners before we'll see that done.
If the commissioners get paid whether they attend meetings will they attend or just ignore it?
I have to go with get paid when they attend full meeting. If they don't attend all the meeting NO PAY!
5:07 That is because you are small minded.
The current committee structure with the number of commissioners is not working. Look at the results.
A good commissioner will work far, far beyond his pay.
5:24 Do you think it is alright to pay a ommissioner that don't attend meetings?
Let the other Cmmissioners do the work and get paid what they do?
To the 1:59 poster: Thank you for removing ANY possible doubt as to whether or not you are an enabler of wrong doing. Instead of being appreciative of a citizen who is a "whistle-blower" for pointing out to mis-use of our tax dollars, you defend it and attack the messenger. It's there in black and white, proof positive, that you believer wrong doing should not be pointed out, but rather swept under the rug and anybody that dares point it out is using "underhanded tactics. Can't wait to see how you spin this one! I'm sure you will say something to the effect that you were "simply pointing out that blah blah blah and how Mr. Barrett is so evil for telling the truth.
I personally know what of the candidates that you are supporting...please stop. They are trying to win an election.
5:45 - Let's just say that I absolutely disagree with the way the county is currently being run. There are 21 commissioners and one executive. The meetings take place once every two months. In between there are a few committee meetings of which only 7 are invited. When the actual meetings take place, the majority is uniformed as to what took place in the committee meetings. This system is broken.
I believe that we should pay the commissioners a flat rate; that the committees should be done away with; that there should be monthly or bi monthly work sessions; and that there should be monthly or bi monthly meetings.
This group should be formally getting together way more often than once every two months.
I think we should do away with all the commissioners and just have a county mayor who makes all the decisions and that way you don't have to bother with committee meetings or commissioner meetings at all.
We could call the new system fascism and refer to the mayor as king or queen. What difference if we had a war to get rid of the king and establish government of the people and by the people, that stuff has become old fashioned and inconvenient.
Freedom cost and heavy prices have been paid. The problem isn't with the number of commissioners or how often they meet it's the quality of the people being elected and their personal level of honesty and responsibility.
Really? This is what you are concerned with for the county. Three posts now about it. We have school issues, industrial issues, highways issues. But we can't seem to get past the discussion of your opponent here.
Oh well. Keep playing that fiddle Nero.
10:36 - I offered a potential solution. You offered stupidity.
Don't know it it's the hate or the stupidity that has blinded you but check the topic and you should see that the posts you criticized are on topic.
Certainly there are school issues, industrials issues and highway issues and many more and they all go to the same problem stated by 10:36 the problem is "the quality of the people being elected and their personal level of honesty and responsibility."
The number of commissioners required by local law (3 per district) directly influences the "personal level of honesty and responsibility". Basically, anyone that wants to represent will get elected, with the exception of loudmouth troublemakers (WAB). The point is, if we had fewer, and if they met more often, we would have more informed and better representatives.
Pay them a nice, flat fee.
We moved here from the county that has close to 400'000 people.
There were nine commissioners.
Are you telling me that there are 21 commissioners for population of 30,000?
Unbelievable!
And you wonder why Giles county has problems.
10:25 is correct that the LOCAL LAW passed by the local commissioners requires three commissioners per district. That could be changed to as little as one per district if they chose to do so.
Fewer commissioners result in more power in the hands of a smaller group. Things are bad enough now I'd hate to think that the county could be controlled by a select few like Rackley, Spear, Vanzant etc.
Meet more often and be better informed. What a laugh. Some can't show up for the times they do meet.
Keep whinning baby.
So I guess you last two posters would prefer to leave things like they are. In case you can't tell, its not working!!
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Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:56:00 PM
You think paying them more and them not show up will help make it work?
"Listen to what the children say." LOL
Thank you Governor Haslam.
Soon to be former Governor Haslam.
Governor Haslam is not going anywhere. The ills of TN are the results of the former Dem. Governor Bredesen. I blame him, just as you liberals continue to blame President Bush for all of Obozos failures.
Tuesday 4:34 - You obviously think as a child. You obviously have not ever held any position of authority. You obviously have no solutions, but were put on earth simply to complain!
9:31 you are so wrong. It is not Bredesen's fault Haslam has destroyed education and refuses to expand Medicare for poor Tennesseans and not establishing a new health system for the state like he said he would do. We are losing millions a day of Federal money for health care "because of him. Worst governor ever. He is only concerned with money for his family at the expense of us. Wake up. Dont let the "D" and "R" be the reason you vote. Look at the person. The Haslams are crooks from way back. Check their history.
I'm glad that the star ain't taking federal money for obamacare because that means we are not under that dumbass system that would be costing the state twice what the government would give and take away the medical care that we have and increase our premiums,
obama is a damn muslim that is hellbent on destroying this nation and democrats are helping him.
It's alright to tell what Haslam does wrong, but not alright to tell what Vanzant and some commisioners do wrong?
Seems strange two set of rules.
Remember God has only one set.
2:10 And I am sure your reference is to 7th District, right?
2:47,
It is you who continue to bring up the 7th district commissioners because, although you enable their illegal behavior, you know the commissioners in the district you named are not serving the citizens. With the exception of themselves. And you know this to be true.
Whine baby whine.
4:26/5:00
No, here's what I find to be true. You are enabling a troublemaker who told a low-classed lie. That makes you the enabler. As long as you keep bringing it up, and I will continue to remind you.
You keep saying that WAB told a lie "on" you but you never offer any proof that it was/is a lie. What you have written had proven him to be right over and over again and again.
As I just told you on the previous thread, I have given the both of you (perhaps you are him posting anonymously again)all the proof you are going to get from me.
And now he's taking his ball and going home. If you can't play by his rules, then you just can't play. Big, whiny dumbass baby.
Saying I'm a Christian doesn't prove anything. There are a lot of pew warmers, but that don't make them Christians. Since we don't know him/her we can only judge by his/her post. Does the post sound like something a Christian would post?
I don't care if CG is a Christian or not, I would like for him to say Mrs. Vanzant didn't or did let Mrs. Coleman get paid when she wasn't there for the whole meeting.
When CG only comes back with something about Barrett to me that means "I don't care if Mrs. Vanzant gives the courthouse away I'm for her."
9:33
LOOK, I was NOT there and do not know one way or the other about the money. Why don't you march right up there to Mrs. Vanzant's office and ask her? Take your hero and his movie camera with you. That should get to the bottom of this "caper". Oh by the way, I have stated right here on this "free speech" blog that Mrs. Coleman should return any money she did not earn. You choose to ignore that for the sake of argument, right?
No matter how much you, Barrett, and the other mischief maker have to say, My vote and support goes to Mrs. Vanzant. Those that know her see what you guys are trying to do, and it will fail just like it did the last time. And I would almost bet that all three of you are members of this so-called "Republican" party that never meets or does anything in secret. It turns my stomach.
Why does any one need to march up to Vanzant's office when the proof has already been presented? So if she just returns the money and is not reprimanded in any way is acceptable to you? Get caught committing fraud and just return what you took and go on with your day. You are an enabler.
I presented the proof of the fraud and like the 9:30 poster am somewhat surprised that you are willing to say that Mrs Coleman should return the money but are unwilling to acknowledge that without the complacency of Mrs. Vanzant she never could have gotten the money for not attending the meeting. Look at the handwriting it's not Mrs Coleman's but Mrs By your logic, I realize I am being extremely generous here, if two people walk into a bank and rob it only the one who actually took the money was the real thief and if the money is given back that should be the end of the matter.
I promise you this is not the end of this matter regardless of how tyne election turns out.
Yeah, if you shoot someone you should be able to just take the action back and all will be well. That is the sort of asinine logic we've all come to expect from the enabler. There are a lot of repentant people in jail but that doesn't set them free.
Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:50:00 AM
Why do you pop off when Barrett tels something that happen then you cry I wasn't at the meeing.
Seek help you need it.
Barrett
Oh, I am sure that it won't be the end of the matter, even after you are defeated for a third time. I believe you will do yournathai best to cause as much trouble as possible. That's pretty sorry.
Is it trouble telling what Haslam has done wrong to the teachers or what his brother did?
You are going to have a nervous breakdown before this election gets her if you don't clam down.
You've said over and over Barrett want win and Vanzant, Harwell and Coleman will, so why are you so upset?
Oh, I guess this is your way of helping them. lol
Yeah, he's so upset he's making up new words. "yournathai?" What the hell does that mean?
Yep, he's loosing it!
"promise you this is not the end of this matter regardless of how tyne election turns out." A. Barrett
Oh good! Another $60,000 of legal fees over a $30 issue. Nice stewardship of the county money Barrett. Nice.
Put the blame where it belongs.
Pennies can make dollars and $30 will add up to hundreds.
If Mrs, Vanzant hadn't done wrong the $60 wouldn't be coming up.
Hey, at least that's a new twist the enabler is putting on his flames. Quite refreshing, actually. I've heard you say you come on here to defend people who can't defend themselves. You also stated the you would have turned the chili cook off into an even greater circus. Keeping all that in mind, what's wrong with Allen telling us facts on here that we might not here anywhere else. Isn't he also doing, as you claim to be, a service for the community? I think he is. I find I get better quality and quantity of local activities on here (once I sift through your crap)than anywhere else. Keep up the good work,
Allen. It wouldn't be important news if the enabler didn't get pissed off about it.
All this crap is George Bush's fault, everyone knows that. I'm a faithful Democrat just like my daddy and his daddy before.
10:35 There you go again promoting the low-down lie Allen Barrett told on me simply because I had the audacity to disagree with him. That makes YOU and your buddy the true enablers of a lie. Keep it up. I'm sure Mr. Barrett likes to be reminded of this. Yet, I think his pride and arrogance would not allow him to apologize and move on.
I never said that I am here to defend people who "can't" defend themselves. The people I trust and support have a bit more class than to get on this trashy blog and attempt to match wits with the likes of you, Allen Barrett, and whoever the other one is. I won't even try to tell you AGAIN what I would do in defense of myself as a human being and as one who would defend his wife's honor, regardless. Are you so dense that you "can't" understand the simplest concepts? Apparently so, because you blindly follow a known troublemaker and enable his misbehavior.
Now, I suppose it's again your turn to take a shot. If not you, then your buddy will.
Hi WHINEY BABY.... you're up early
CG, you are an idiot!
8:36
Why? Because I disagree with you? Why can't you three people just let it go?
5:57 So you are like me "NO CLASS!"
I'm not one of the two you asked "why because I don't agree with you." You and I might agree on some things, but your arrogrant way it why I dislike you and love to come back at you.
I don't see any difference in you and what you say about Barrett.
9:05, Idiot!
10:59
This is how you guys roll. Anybody who doesn't see things as you do are called names. Childish.
For a dog who denies his breed as vigorously as you do, you sure do bark whenever someone makes a post to the "enabler." If you're not one, stop answering his posts. Dumbass.
and the name calling continues. Nice
He still barks.
Idiot aka cg
VOTE GRAHAM STOWE for County Exc. He is what this county needs for the next four years. If you want you property taxes raised and a wheel tax of $75.00 go ahead and vote for Ms. Vanzant. Then we can say I told you so. think about it folks.
I've spoken with Capt. Stowe. He is very likable and quite capable in appearance. He has some leadership experience and I believe he would stand just fine as county executive. Unlike some of you, I also like Janet. I think she is a good person but this county needs more than a good person at the helm.
We're in some holes we need to dig ourselves out of and I'm afraid the status quo isn't going to get it done.
10:48/11:23
Sorry, but my vote and support goes to MRS. JANET PARKER VANZANT? And that is not a put-down of her opposition as what we see going on in 7th District. However, I will say that looking capable doesn't mean capable. Now is not the time for a change, and that's why we need Janet more than ever.
As for the tax base, what should the county do? It takes money to fund the services we have become accustomed to and expect. And the costs of those services have skyrocketed.
A couple of suggestions come to mind. The county might sell off the ambulance service and hope our loved ones never need an ambulance. Would that help Giles County? How about defunding the highway department and just let our county roads turn into cow paths? Progress?
I dislike taxes as much as anybody else, but, with everything we purchase going up, what is so hard to understand about the need for funds to pay for the county's cost of doing business? And the tired argument from the disgruntled few here is that expenses should be cut. Well, they have been cut. What now? Our county commission has kept taxes down for years, and for that I am thankful. But I'm afraid the time has come when the matter can no longer be ignored.
Why is it that Mr. Stowe has used his former rank (of Captain) on his election signs? When I retired from the DoD I was informed at my out briefing that if I ever used my rank I had to indicate "retired" after that rank. It seems that CAPT Stowe does not have to follow rules or protocol. Possibly the US Coast Guard does not have to follow DoD protocol because they are not DoD but are under the Dept of Homeland Security?
8:15 cg I thought you didn't talk about the other canidate.
Yes, taxes have been kept down by using the hospital money that wasn't suppose to be used.
I'm not for selling the Ambulance services, but if it's sold that means another ambulance service would be here so wouldn't people still get service. Sure there might not be one at three different places. Is it fair to have one at the other two places beside Pulaski and not in the other areas anyway?
cg don't have no problem with stealing and lying and things like that but a man who served his country and became a captain (Bird Colonal for army people) that would dare use that rank on a campain sign is a outrage. Stowe needs to be jailed if not exacted for such a crime.
If you people think taxes ain't gone up check you tax bills since Janet has been the mayor. If I could sale my house for what they assessed it for I'd sale it today.
If the Ambulance Service was sold Giles county residents would not receive lesser service. On the contrary. Providers of service are all held to strict Federal requirements. Not only would we save money by the service being provided by a private company (as do most counties and hospitals across the country) we would also save money by the company doing their own billing and reimbursement.
8:15 Ah the lady doth protest too much! (Or the Army officer of unidentified rank who also happens to be running for County Executive!) What a crock…what a laughing stock of a post. CAPT (retired) Stowe addressed a phone call he received from a Coast Guard attorney concerning an ethics violation complaint to the DOD concerning the use of "CAPT" on his signs in a Facebook post several weeks ago. After getting caught up on Coast Guard goings on (yes, the CG attorney and CAPT Stowe knew each other), the attorney asked Stowe what peon in Giles County he had ticked off. Told him that he had seen his website and to "keep up the good work, Captain."
The Coast Guard and DOD saw this as a non-issue, Stowe addressed the issue and yet here "someone" raises the issue again. Such desperate measures are used when all one has in their campaign arsenal are lies, rumors and innuendo. Oh, and writing grants. And let's not forget, being for: >Balanced budget and process (what process?)
>Replenishment of County Reserves
>Children, teachers and schools
>New business
>Tourism boost
>Good jobs, Full employment
(I'll bet he's for puppies and kittens too!)
And being against: >Higher taxes > Drug dealers and users.
And I have had several people tell me that they were going to vote for the military guy, not knowing that there are two military guys in the race. I think that the Army officer of unidentified rank is purposely trying to blue the lines and confuse voters on which military guy is the SUPERIOR candidate. Although both "military guys" are more capable than our current County Executive, ONE candidate stands head and shoulders above the others. ONE candidate's military career is so far superior to the other, they aren't even in the same ballpark. Besides, why is the candidate who is an Army officer of unidentified rank…unidentified? Why is his rank shrouded in mystery?
There have been many great posts on Graham Stowe's Facebook page and on his votestowe.com website. Voters really should take the time and scroll through them and read about this man of stellar character and skill. I will copy and paste one of the FB posts that stood out to me about the security checks he had to go through to be chosen as Coast Guard Aid to President Clinton. And to think that this qualified man is willing to serve the people of Giles County amazes me. (The post was too long, so I will post Stowe's FB comments about security clearance in a separate entry.
From Graham Stowe's May 15 FB page:
Can you trust this guy Stowe - the guy you don't know? Well, the intelligence agencies trusted me ... allow me to explain.
Before being offered a job at the White House I had a Secret clearance - no more than I needed to command a patrol boat. Then I was nominated to be Aide to the President - one of six candidates w/ the desired performance qualifications. Why six candidates? Because very few can pass the additional rigors to attain TS/SCI/YW-Cat1 clearance.
TS is Top Secret; SCI is Sensitive Compartmented Information. If I told you more than that I'd have to kill you YW (Yankee White) goes a bit further; this clearance is necessary to work in proximity to the President. Category 1 is for those serving in extremely sensitive positions, in daily contact with the President. These clearances were necessary to serve as the President's EAO (Emergency Actions Officer) and to assist him in coordinating nuclear weapons command & control, among other classified chores.
One of my contemporaries was denied the clearance because he had an unpaid parking ticket. Another couldn't get the job because years ago he'd been a philanderer. Yet another had a credit score marred by a late-pay penalty, from 7 years previous! I had to agree to submit to a polygraph test. I went through a battery of interviews. And they interviewed old neighbors, previous bosses, and even dug deep enough to find my high school teachers & coaches. And then I was selected! I maintained my TS clearance until retirement as a senior officer.
Folks, this may not mean much to you, and that's OK. Like you, I typically size up a person by their handshake, a meeting of the eyes, and a gut-check for sincerity. These are important, but it's understandably not enough for our security agencies. I hope to meet as many Giles County neighbors as possible in the coming weeks ... and hopefully I'll give you a firm handshake & look you in the eye! But if you want more evidence of my integrity - maybe because you assume that most who enter the political arena are easily corruptible - please consider my TS/SCI/YW-Cat1 clearance. I made it through that rigorous process unscathed, and plan on making it through the political process in similar fashion.
If you have a skeptical neighbor wondering about this CAPT Stowe character, please share!
9:13/9:48
I never said one word about Stowe. I, like most Giles Countians, never heard of him until he suddenly came upon the scene. From what I hear (hearsay of course), he was recruited and is being backed by the same little group of "Republicans" who never meet in secret...the same little group responsible for the primary that cost taxpayers over $20,000. Don't forget that! They are the ones I don't trust. And, while their apparently favored candidate can boast of lots of credentials, none of them automatically mean that he would be a good county executive. I do not mean to slight the man at all, but this is not the time for a change. My support stays firmly with Mrs. Vanzant.
Anyone supporting Vanzant has not paid attention to the deterioration of the County. She has done a terrible job as Executive.
Hey, 9:48, don't you work for Ms. Van Zant? As long as you get your thirty pieces of silver, everything is dandy. Just don't forget to put on your blinders every day.
1:25 Good one Vicky, or is this Janet? Status quo surely works well for y'all, but the majority of Giles Countians are ready for change.
As for your support for Mrs. Vanzant, how much has she cost the taxpayers in lawsuits? And why is that never a problem with your bunch? Always hearing about the republican primary, but never about the money spent on lawsuits, never a word about the hospital reserve fund. SMH.
You people really do think the voters of Giles County are stupid, don't you?
Well 3:09 they have to be a little stupid to have kept her for twelve years.
I had heard that the attack on Mrs. Vanzant was going to really get ugly. Take a look at these posts. I believe the assault is now in fill swing.
Mrs. Vanzant...if you read this, please know that a LOT of us know what's going on and that we are behind you 100%. God bless you.
That's right 10:43 if you know what's going on and you condone it then that makes you part of the problem a enabler and a crook.
8:31 No, enabler is the lie Allen Barrett told on me because I stand opposed to how he behaves and treats people. I'm sure he doesn't want to be reminded of this since he is making a third bid to become a commissioner. Good luck with that.
Why would I be bothered by the truth CG, I'm not like you. I referred to you as an enabler of wrongdoing and have seen absolutely nothing in your behavior or words that would make be believe otherwise.
Yes I have been defeated twice but when you consider the money that was spent, the lies that were told and the laws that were broken I'd say I certainly had an impact. I may be defeated again, I don't know but one thing I do know i will be defeated with my integrity intact. I will have the satisfaction that I did what I believed was right in exposing the truth about some very underhanded dealings and plain unscrupulous behavior. I will continue to rest in the tranquility that i have served God and my county to the best of my abilities. If I am defeated it will not be because I sold out or lied to anyone, can you say the same and be truthful I know you can't because your history is way to clear and public.
Lincoln said, "You can fool all of the people sometime and some of the people all the time" but eventually people will stop being fooled by people like you.
Mr. Barrett...Stop telling that lie. It's not making you look so well among people I know.
Integrity intact? Right. What a joke.
The enabler sure has his panties in a wad today.
Folks let us all stop calling the CG "enabler" I prefer "Whiney BABY" for that, in fact is what they are.
6:21
The voters are smart enough to know that the county needs someone who will stand up to the troublemakers. I think we need to keep Mrs. Vanzant for four more years.
7:06 No, you three just love calling me names, period. That's ok.
I guess I must be #4. I use to call you the CG but I have to admit that WHINEY BABY really suits you well CG. So I too will now call you the WHINEY BABY
Why don't someone give Ms. Coleman an alarm clock then she can be at meetings on time if she's not on time.
I am still waiting for someone to tell me something that JVZ has accomplished. So not that it is brought up, what has she done to stand up to the troublemakers?
9:55 She has quietly gone about performing the duties of her office IN SPITE of people like you, Allen Barrett, and whoever that other troublemaker is.
May God bless Janet Vanzant for the grief she's had to bebar because of you three.
2:26 I am not a WAB supporter, nor a trouble maker. I just know what I have seen. JVZ knows that she is a terribler County Executive. That is why she never speaks, does not answer questions, and runs solely on her popularity. This woman has been a disaster for Giles County!
3:22 Thanks for speaking up. I've heard a lot of that but they are afraid to speak up. We'll see if they have the guts to vote for someone else. BUT I think we will have her four more years.
God Bless Giles County it will sure need it.
3:22/3:59
Responding to your own post makes you look desperate.
What you said about Mrs. Vanzant is simply not true, and you know it. More importantly, I think you are way off on your assessment of Mrs. Vanzant's leadership. Of course she avoids those who are constantly trying to hurt her. Wouldn't you? Id course you would, but that's a different matter, right?
I support Mrs. Vanzant, and have already cast my vote for her. Now I can focus on helping her in the community. That's how much I am convinced that we need her now more than ever.
Voting for any candidate requires no guts per se, because it's a private matter when one steps into a voting booth.
We were told that you guys would really be stepping up the assault on Mrs. Vanzant, and we were not surprised when it started. You guys didn't disappoint us. We knew this was coming.
God bless Mrs. Vanzant and our county.
8:20 You must be nuts. I posted 3:59 and don't know who posted 3:22. Don't you wish you was as smart as you think you are.
Yes I heard you were asking people to vote for Mrs. Vanzant.
I'm as much of a coward as you I want post my name and I don't try to tell anyne who to vote for.
God Bless Giles County.
As for it heating up aaginst Mrs. Vanzant, I've only heard you cry it's going to. You must of wanted it to because most of the bad post have been to get back at you.
8:57 You bet I'm out there working for Mrs. Vanzant and will continue to do so. Your problem with me is that I do not support your candidates. Well, that's my right, and you need to get over it.
The assault on Mrs. Vanzant has heated up, but not as badly as I had heard it would. Is that because you guys know you aren't going to get away with it?
Go whinney go!
Wednesday, July 23, 2014 6:21:00 AM
Are you saying there is things out there Mrs. Vanzan has done they haven't old?
8:44 Uh oh...little girl knows a secret but won't tell it syndrome.
You know she's not going to tell it if on Mrs. Vanzant.
6:21 said not as bad as she has been told??? So what hasn't been told?
Something must of been known that was wrong or why would anyone say it was going to get bad against Mrs. Vanzant. That has me wondering.
3:00
No. Here's the deal. A disgruntled little group wants to get "their people" into as many elected offices as they can. They have plotted and schemed to that end for years now but with no luck.
The reason it was said that it was going to get really ugly in the county executive race is because of those same people.
God bless Mrs. Vanzant.
I am not part of a disgruntled little group. I am not a WAB supporter. I am not a trouble maker.
If you look at the facts and the record, Mrs. Vanzant has been terrible for Giles County!
There is no getting around it.
Hospital money, Gone.
Lost money.
Surrounded by incompetents.
No movement at exit 14.
Unbalanced budget.
I could go on, and on, and on, and on!
5:29 I guess whinney thinks anyone that don't agee Mrs. Vanzant is what Giles County needs is a trouble maker.
I don't really like Mr. Barrett, really don't know anyuting except reading the blog and I don't live in the 7th District so want be voting for him. I think whinney is a litle off his rocker.
I've seen other county mayors talked about as bad or mayube worse than vanzant and Barrett wasn't the one doing it then. We just didn't have the internet then for people to post anonymous on. They wrote letters to the paper and had the balls to sign their name.
Everyone know how I feel about JVZ! She is bad for this county, but her friends are too blind to know it!
8:37 I must say that you guys have really stepped up the war against Mrs. Vanzant. It just makes me want to go out and do more to help her. Isn't it embarrassing to you that so many people knew this attack was going to heat up? Was this another strategy planned behind closed doors? It's not going to work, because people by nature do not care for troublemakers and mudslingers.
God bless Janet Vanzant and our wonderful county, which would be even more wonderful if you guys were not here. We would of course miss you should you decide to move to a new location where your brilliance and sense of love for your fellow man would be better appreciated!
All I can say is, "GO JANET"!
Giles County would be a better place if whinney would leave Giles County.
I've never seen anyone want the attention on them so much before.
7:35 Your last sentence is a lie.
Waaa waaa! Mama, he told a lie on me. Waaa waaa!
7:35 I agree with your post. Also glad the first sentence wasn't a lie, because I really believe Giles county would be better off without his whinning.
4:12 Then you three might as well get to packing, because I don't plan on going anywhere until the Lord calls me.
The purpose of the "Giles Free Speech Zone" is to identify problems of concern to the people of Giles County, to discuss them in a gentlemanly and civil manner
Som don't know how to do that.
Poor Poor Poor WHINEY BABY. he is all alone defending Vanzant. No one else has stepped up to join WHINEY BABY and they are sad.
Let us all have a minute of prayer for WHINEY BABY so that they might find guidance.
The reason you knew there would be "attacks" on Mrs Vanzant's record is because it is so dismal. As County Executive what has she done for the county in twelve years?
The only qualification she gave in a speech at the Recreation Center was that she grew up in Giles County on a land grant farm. I'd say that's rather elitist since the farm was given to her family. Wonder why she failed to mention that she has lived on a farm in Lincoln County most of the time she has been County Executive.
Barrett
That's another lie. The individual who said the war was going to heat up knew EXACTLY what was to take place. Sure enough, you and your loyalists didn't disappoint anyone.
Mrs. Vanzant deserves a purple heart and a silver star for having to endure you and those other two.
May God bless Mrs. Vanzant and our wonderful county...in spite of people like you.
3:17 Are you trying to say you wasn't the one posting you heard it was really going to heat up against Mrs. Vanzant?
Do you really think it was alright for Mrs. Vanzant to put Mrs. Coleman's name down as she had been at the meeting and got paid when the meeting was over or about over when she got there?
Of course he does, 3:42, he's the enabler. That's what he does.
3:42/5:07
Of course I'm at least one who said that we were told the war against Mrs. Vanzant and the 7th District was really going to heat up and, as the informant stated, get really ugly. Now who do you suppose the one behind the ugliness might be? One guess should suffice.
Now, as for enabler, you two are the ones enabling and promoting the lie Allen Barrett told. Oh, but you would say he never lies.
Barrett has told the truth and provided the evidence.
Enabler has told lies and never provides anything to support those lies just say we have to believe him because he's a Christian. Well there are plenty of Christians I wouldn't trust any more than I would trust Judas who was also a Christian just not a very faithful one kinda like the enabling cg.
Barrett has told the truth and provided the evidence.
Enabler has told lies and never provides anything to support those lies just say we have to believe him because he's a Christian. Well there are plenty of Christians I wouldn't trust any more than I would trust Judas who was also a Christian just not a very faithful one kinda like the enabling cg.
I don't know if Barrett has ever lied before or not. I do know, however, that he is not lying about this. That would be your honor. Try accompanying your trash talk with a bit of truth and you might stand a better chance of being believed.
CG,
Do you really think it was alright for Mrs. Vanzant to put Mrs. Coleman's name down as she had been at the meeting and she got paid when the meeting was over or about over when she got there?
8:18/8:54/9:14
enablers of a lie
Exactly what lies have I told?
You say Barrett told the truth? About what? He told a LIE when he accused me of going along with wrongdoing. That's right; he lied. And since the three of you continue with that lie, you are hypocritically being the judgmental ones that you claim not to be. Let's leave the judgment of Christians up to God. You don't know my heart, and thank God you aren't my judge.
I will also tell you that Mr. Barrett told another lie when he suggested some alliance between Mrs. Vanzant and Mrs. Goolsby.
Now, as far as what happened with Mrs. Coleman, I have already stated my opinion on that at least three times on this blog. Why don't you ask Mrs. Vanzant or Mrs. Coleman? I wasn't there.
Wonder if we could get Dr. Webb to run for County Exective. It would be so great to see someone like him with the guts to lay off some of the people working in the courthouse like he did the Central Office. That sure would be a good way to get some budget cuts.
If the wheel tax goes threw and property tax goes up, bet they hire more people.
Enabler you have proven that Barrett did not lie when he called you an enabler your support of thieves is proof enough for anybody but you.
I don't know nothing about Mrs Goolsby and Vanzant doing anything but based on the past things that Barrett has told and Vanzant has did I tend to believe him.
I ain't read nothing on here about your opinion of Coleman taking money she didn't suppose to have but that you support her and that's enough to know how you stand on stealing.
3:41
That's another lie. The only enablers KI see here are you and another individual who insists on promoting the lie Allen Barrett told. I notice that at least one of you if not Barrett himself is on practically ALL of the current threads, either spewing venom about the 7th District commissioners or Mrs. Vanzant and of course promoting Barrett's lie.
Are you that stupid? Surely not. I have stated on this blog more than once that Mrs. Coleman should return any monies that she is not entitled to. Please stop lying and at least pretend that you are smarter than you come across.
My support remains with any 7th District candidates besides Allen Barrett. And Mrs. Vanzant has my full support. Get over it and start treating those who disagree with you as human beings.
you think Coleman should return the money she was not entitled to,well what about Vanzant who gave the money knowing she was entitled to it. What about the money Vanzant has been giving to the nigh out bunch. What about the money Harwell is collecting that he ain't entitled to.
You think that getting caught with your hand in the money bag means you just give back the money you stole well I think a thief needs to be punished and that is Coleman Harwell and Vanzant. To keep supporting thieves makes you no different from them.
I'm going to vote for Mr. Barrett. This county needs person like him very badly.
7:56 enabler
Yep, you just proved your stupidity to me.
12:14
That's what you should do. If you read that ad in the paper, I don't see how you could do that. And he had the audacity to ask that you single shot him. I have never ever seen such low-classed campaigning, and I don't recall a candidate for any local office EVER asking for a single shot vote. That sounds so desperate. We don't need that guy on the commission, so please don't help him out.
People have asked for single shot votes in every election. Barrett has proven that he is unafraid to identify the problems and those responsible for the problem. I agree he is different and it's that difference that makes him more appealing than the other candidates. His bold fearlessness and ability to get to the issue with an intelligent solution is what this county needs.
Single shot vote when there are more than one running and two or three can be elected! That's a joke enabler. People have done that for years and years. If you have someone you really want to win you vote for him only.
Sure, coleman should return the money, congress should return the bail-out money, and oh hey, let's unfight the war in Iraq while we're at it. It doesn't matter if she gives the money back or not; it matters that she took it without earning it in the first place. What a dumbass you are enabler.
Mrs. Vanzant never should have allowed the money to be paid!
You're right 12:35, only JV was directly responsible for the payment. It's on the document on this blog and still the enabler does not think it's wrong. It's kinda like t jackson, the hospital money and many other issues he enabled. He just doesn't know enough about it to say. Well that's a bunch of crap. ak 47
9:18/9:41/2:10
enabler
You are again lying through your teeth. Your man Barrett himself asked people to single shot him. NEVER have I seen a candidate ask voters to do that. I think he's a snake and so are you for supporting him.
The only enablers I see of something that is, in my opinion, very evil, is you and the other one who willfully supports and enables a lie.
3:28 Sorry, but for years I've heard single shot a person. A vote for one or two more people is a vote against
Now you've heard of it.
Sometimes it's hard to do when you have two friends running, but have to pick one or you really don't care who wins.
I bet the canidate and their family single shot their canidate.
Can't say i blame them. Nothing wrong with it.
CG if that's all you got to cry about you are in bad shape. Just saying there are other things you could post about.
Damn enabler, you should really apologize for calling the poster a liar. "Single-Shot" voting is a long used practice. Try running it through Google before you show your ignorance. Just because you've never heard of it don't make it rare. Dumbass.
5:30/7:58
enablers
I never said I had never heard of the concept of single shot. What I said is that I have never heard of a local candidate asking his voter base to do that for him. What a laugh.
To the 7:58 enabler. I did not say I had never heard of the concept. I said that I've never known a local candidate to stoop that low in an ad.
Is anyone beside me getting tired of the term "enabler"?
9:51 is it our fault that you have spent your life uninformed about the realities of life?
"Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;"
Eph. 5:11 New American Standard Version
8:43, the term enabler or the enabler?
Turn the other cheek?
I'm all for forgiveness, but one must WANT to be forgiven.
Barrett
Again, that's what I've been trying to do...to expose YOU.
Instead of spending so much time looking stupid trying to expose Barrett why don't you open your eyes and look at the real lies and thievies and abusers, but that would mean exposing your family and buddys.
3:17 I think what you have been doing it get as much attention on you as you can. You crave attention don't you?
You make the first post of a morning and when a new thread pops up you ae usuall the first one to post.
He also wanted an "attack" to begin so badly that he talked about this crap since well before the election season. I think he thought if he just put it in people's minds they would forget who started it. Too bad everyone's not the fool he is.
Has anone ever thought cg might not be for Mrs. Vanzant and is trying to hurt her? He's doing a good job of it.
Either that or he is just a truly sick person. I mean, have you read his posts? The ones he writes lately are really coming unglued. Half the time the completely contradicts his other posts. All kidding aside, I'm getting concerned about him.
4:34/4:38
enabler
You really should try to form your thoughts before you post once and then have to post again within a few short minutes.
Yours is a flawed theory. Suffice it to say that Mrs. Vanzant appreciates my help. Anymore than that is NONE of your business.
And you should really pay more attention to the content of comments. Even a fool like yourself can see the posts came from different people. You always turn to that accusation when you have nothing to refute a post with, don't you? How's that working for you?
I posted 4:34, but not 4:38.
Has everyone listened to this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saxr0s3sstY
Notice how he brags about beinmg a commissionmer.
What was that word he called the man?
And I will start posting this on every thread after every post you make.
If you do, spell-check in the future Buddy.
9:27, watch your own mistakes. Unless you know the poster's name is "Buddy," you should not have capitalized the word. That's just grammar 101 which you obviously failed.
Has anyone seen an apology?
Anonymous"Anonymous said...
9:59 As I said, cite the post. If I did make the post and forgot, I will admit it. It could be that I made a post before I left the house that day, but I honestly don't think so. While you are "citing", please allow me to refer you to Exodus 20:16 and I Peter 3:16.
Wednesday, July 30, 2014 7:00:00 AM
Anonymous said...
It just occurred to me that it's pointless to argue with the troublemakers, so may I suggest some Bible passages for us all to read and consider? How about Proverbs 6:16-19 and Matthew 7:12. More later.
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:35:00 AM
8:27 enabler
As I told you on the previous thread, cite the post. That's all you have to do.
You dumbass enabler you, people have been citing the posts since you made that comment. Are you seriously going to deny, once again, something you see with your own eyes? Damn man, even a weekend psychologist could see that you have serious problems. Seek help; it's not too late.
From the thread of
Monday, July 21, 2014
News From The County Legislative Body That Met This Morning
The enabler posted:
Anonymous said...
Barrett
Read Proverbs 6:16-19 and Matthew 7:12. Make the proper application and stop with the jealousy and resentment. It's YOUR fault that the voters don't want you. Think about that.
Calling me names only makes you look worse. And I have decided that it is a waste of time to argue back and forth with you and those other two, so I will leave you with some Bible verses from time to time in hopes that you will have that Eureka Moment wherein you will come to realize what you are doing.
Monday, July 28, 2014 6:52:00 AM
Then the enabler post on same thread:
Anonymous said...
Barrett
That's what I've been trying to do...expose YOU.
By the way, I wasn't on the blog at all yesterday. I needed your enabling duo to know that.
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:03:00 AM
Who made Monday's post then Enabler? You gave Bible verses after that. How can anyone believe you are a Christian when you lie?
5:00
enabler of a One Shot lie
Your obsession with me is almost frightening. You've lost your mind, and for what? To prove some minute point that I have already taken responsibility for? That's a mental disorder.
Even more frightening is the fact that there are a lot of people out there just like you and your friend who hate others because of their views.
When did you admit the post was yours?
I hate arrogrant people like you. I think you should be told when you act like a nut.
I've never seen why you lied about not posing Monday. Then to say cite the post and you would apologize. It has been cited over so many times I know people are like me tired of it. They are trying to make you see it or make others see what a liar you are.
7:33 t's interesting that a fine Christian Gentleman like you would find telling a lie a "minute point". Did you skip that part in the Bible, you know that part in the Ten Commandments that Moses brought straight from God, that number nine which states, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"; that means you'r not suppose to "lie"
It seems that with one post you have not only proven that you are an enabler of wrongdoing but also trivialize the Bible and the Commandments. That seems to make you an intentional sinner who has justified their sin instead of asking for forgiveness from the supreme Judge.
J.W.
You seem to be the enabler of wrongdoing by supporting one who, in my opinion, would hurt anyone who got in his way toward his goal of becoming a commissioner. Here's a suggestion someone made recently. Why don't you take up a collection and buy One Shot a t-shirt that says "I am a commissioner"?
And I never said telling a lie over a minute point is acceptable to God. Those are YOUR words. And by the way, I have explained the post on at least two other threads already, so why don't you drop it? But you can't, can you?
You have yet to take responsibility for your lie enabler. You keep saying "if" you made the comment. There is no if, you wrote it on the day you said you didn't post and have not admitted it yet. You did the same thing by saying "if" coleman took the money.... You just can't seem to admit your mistakes, can you? Egomaniacs like yourself often exhibit that behaviour. Break free from yourself and try being normal for a change.
To the enabling liar at 8:34.
What JW Edwards wrote was, "It's interesting that a fine Christian Gentleman like you would find telling a lie a "minute point".
As usual you tried to turn that statement into a totally different thing by claiming he wrote, "And I never said telling a lie over a minute point is acceptable to God. Those are YOUR words"
Those are not Mr. Edwards words those are yours in a feeble attempt to justify your own denial of the importance of truth.
This is your comment in its entirety,
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
5:00
enabler of a One Shot lie
Your obsession with me is almost frightening. You've lost your mind, and for what? To prove some minute point that I have already taken responsibility for? That's a mental disorder.
Even more frightening is the fact that there are a lot of people out there just like you and your friend who hate others because of their views.
Saturday, August 02, 2014 7:33:00 AM Delete"
Show where you have taken responsibility for anything, show where you say you were wrong to deny having posted when you actually did and continued to deny it even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
You are an embarrassment not only to Christians but to anyone who has respect for the truth and right behavior.
4:43/9:36 enabler of One Shot
OUTRAGEOUS! You are STILL beating this drum. Are you nuts? I have explained this over and over.
I'm an embarrassment to Christians? Oh, there you go again judging me. I thought you three were all against that sort of thing? Or, as I've asked you before, does it only apply when you guys are doing the judging.
Hey 3:09, I have a sister who does screen printing. If you supply the shirts, I will have that caption printed on them. I think it would be great to go to a meeting, assuming harwell pulls this one out, while wearing what we think for all to see. Get back to me. We can even get the enabler one.lpcour glen
Way to go!
Once again the enabler proves to be a liar. He wrote at 6:46 Friday 1 Aug " I have no personal agenda against Allen Barrett"
But on 3 Aug. at 2:02 he wrote, "You are right. I do have something personal against One Shot. I believe he is a wicked man".
So not only does he lie about a personal feeling toward Barrett he judges his heart as being a wicked man. CG the enabler has a greater power than Jesus in determining who is wicked and who isn't well at least in his own perverted mind.
I guess someone else must have fed the enabler some scraps. He's not following you anymore.
8:25 Who does that remind you of? I remember seeing where someone posted they went to school with Janet Vanzant and said she was a liar then.
They didn't sign their name.
Has anyone sent Ms. Coleman an alarm clock yet?
Ouch 7:27. Be nice now. That was pretty funny though.
enabler of One Shot
When may we expect this war against Mrs. Vanzant and the 7th District to end? Most people know who is behind it and why he is. And you two are loyal to this smear and attack campaign. Shame on you.
The election passing will have nothing to do with the actions of your buddies. They will still be guilty of lying and stealing even if they get re-elected. This will never end until they repent. You're big on that, aren't you enabler?
After the election I will be presenting evidence of criminal activity by Mrs Vanzant and Mrs Coleman to the Grand Jury. It will be up to the people, as to what happens after that but I don't believe the Grand Jury will be as easily duped as are many voters,
Tuesday, August 05, 2014 8:27:00 AM
Are you rerally to dumb to not know you bring on the attaks.
If one of your buddies gets beat, I think if I was you I would skip country. I've heard one say, "I wish he would quit posting and making people mad. He's going to get me beat."
Barrett
You really are a snake in the grass. How dare you!
The voters are not duped. May I congratulate you now on a solid fifth place finish in District 7?
Well enabler considering what your opinion is worth I'l take your comment as a compliment. If you want to support the lying and stealing of tax money that's up to you but it does seems somewhat inconsistent with the image you try to portray of yourself.
Barrett
Well, here you are again telling that same old lie. What is wrong with your head? I'll say it again; you are lying, and I wish you would stop it. You've only hurt yourself in doing so, and this is going to be made clear to you this very day when you again lose your election bid. Good!
Inconsistent with the image I portray? There you go again judging me. I thought you were against that? Be consistent and stop lying. Ok?
You can say Allen is lying all day long but until you provide even a shred of proof, you appear to be the one telling tales. I, personally, don't have a problem with judging. I judge you to be a liar as well as an ignorant bastard. Refute that, dumbass. I made a list of lies that you told, at your request, and you never responded. Couldn't think of any way to spin them, eh?
10:34 Your preoccupation with me is sickening.
6:08 Now that makes two people sickening. Your preoccupation with Allen Barrett is sickening to me.
6:43
Yes, his behavior makes me sick, but I am so NOT preoccupied with that guy that I would be rejoicing if he moved away and never came back. And the sooner the better! What about that?
For someone not preoccupied with a person you sure do a lot of commenting on everything he does and a lot that he don't do. It's bad enough that you lie it's even worse that you can't keep up with your lies they are so many.
8:59 And you are so in the tank for a troublemaker. Unbelievable. I suppose this is just a preview of the troublemaking to come from you three. Right?
7:32 I will be rejoycing when you leave Giles county.
You seem to think Giles County is only for you. You are sick. No wonder people don't like Giles county and don't want to move here. They've heard how you tell people to leave.
8:48
Is it safe to assume that you three will be continuing to cause as much trouble as you possibly can for those you envy and resent?
For those we resent because of their unethical behavior, you can count on it enabler.
I thought I read on another thread the enabler said the post didn't bother him. Wonder why he post back if they don't get next to him.
Did anyone notice it was a while before the enabler posted on Frida? Could it be because he was crying in his beer like the song says.
The enabler is still posting, just trying to change his style. Notice in the first two threads this week, "I haven't heard but one side."
His arrogance will not permit the changing of his style enough to not be recognized. He has to put that "I'm better than you" touch in every comment he makes.
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