What do people think about the various election results in Giles County?
Will there be any detectable differences when the dust settles?
posted by J. Kendrick McPeters | 1:01 PM
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Congrats to Bev Murrey!! Tyrant Gonzales knows how people feel about him now.
Way to go Judge Damron, keep up the good work.
So does Allan Barrett!
Congratulations go to ALAN FAULKNER. Way to go ALAN. Now don't let Bill Holt run over you.
The election is over and people are still hiding behind anonymous.
Congratulations Alan Faulkner. Allen Barrett, you tried and I personnally appreciate that. You are definately a man that never tried to hide or be kept under the mushroom. Thanks again.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot.
KNOCK, KNOCK!!!
who's there?
MICHAEL GONZALES!!!
michael gonzales who?
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did anyone notice the difference between Mr. Gordon’s and Mrs. Vanzant’s comments last night on the radio?
Question for the guy with the funny blue head:
What is your name?
It is anonymous's sister.
Well Janet and her lesbian lover are going to rule for four more years! How will that go over with the COC people? They will probably just look over it as usual!
hahaha well the voters have spoken.
Who are the COC people?
Church of Christ i think
Unbelievable. will anyone even notice that Janet Vanzant, can't read a budget, can't understand anything legal, hardley knows where she is, doesn't know where she lives and isn't sure if she is still married. I think the people of Giles County could really care less about whether they ever have any growth, jobs or opportunities. We just end up feeling sorry and falling for the pathetic whining of a woman who would use her child to gain sympathy. Maybe people really do have the government they deserve. Boy am I proud to be living here these days.
Hey Guys,
The election is over so you can take a break from spreading lies and slinging mud for at least a couple of years. I know you all must be very tired, so please try to get some rest...I know you all want to be in top mud-slinging form for the next election....
Oh by the way...
GO JANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some of these comments have got to be some of the sickest and most stupid I have ever read on any blog! How does anyone think they can accuse someone of being a lesbian unless they saw something with their own eyes or if that person made a comment or action toward them? Give it a break! MRS> Vanzant is still the county mayor and deserves respect whether you like her or not. Words hurt people for a lifetime where the sticks and stones hurt much, much less. Take your vendeta's elsewhere and leave it off the blog. How would YOU feel if someone said such a thing about YOU???? This town is always full of rumors and lies and that's why I don't like living here anymore. Know wonder industries are NOT interested in Giles County with all the crap that goes on here. I know if I wasn't born and raised here I wouldn't want to move here. Like I said, give it a break and get a life. Hopefully one day those who help spread these rumors will one day find God and realize all the lies they have told is going to get them no where.
Amen!
I wish Janet could go, but I'm sure she is spinning in circles, and won't get anywhere!
It's ultimately NOT up to the county mayor for those of you who will listen. It's up to the county commission and I hope you knew that before your voted!
Woooo! What an interesting comment to say the least. I agree 100%! If you go back and look Flacy, Harris, Jackson and sometimes Risner always vote the same. The sunshine law? Want to get back into that subject? I don't but take your time and go back and look at the number of times they voted together on "difficult" subjects. That is what is so interesting and now we have to go through it another 4 years. Hummmm.
Just watch and see.
The county executive has more authority than you understand. Another point for you, if you can't influence in that position, then you don't need to be there.
Anonymous Friday, August 04, 2006 9:53:47 PM
Hopefully one day those who help spread these rumors will one day find God and realize all the lies they have told is going to get them no where.
Where in the heck have you been for the past four years and during the election not to know of all the lies being told by Janet and her low-class friends? I suppose those didn’t bother you so much!
The post on Friday, August 04, 2006 80:06: 06:21 PM is wide known and some wanted it brought out in the open during the election.
You are quick to defend Janet but why did you not make yourstatement during the time she was lying to win the election?
I sincerely believe there was a massed and concerted effort to discredit Janet Vanzant, Roger Reedy, and others who did not go along with a certain few. Oh well. But, those efforts fell a bit short. So perhaps Giles Countians are not as stupid as presumed? Interesting.
Yes, the stupid population is greater than the educated population and the reelection of Vanzant proves that or they just like liars.
How typical of you "more enlightened and brighter" people to make a stupid statement like that Get over it!
To all of the people reading this blog and who are tired of reading this trash: let's join together and boycott the thing. Then the mudslingers can write to each other. I'm through reading as of now. Have a good life folks.
the woman is a theif also, just ask her?
I want to thank all the citizens of Giles County that I met while campaigning, that invited me into your homes for water, food and just to visit. I truly enjoyed meeting and visiting with all of you and seeing some I hadn’t seen in years. Your hospitality was appreciated.
I also want to thank all my friends and family members that put out signs, filled in for me when I had more than one event to attend on the same date, passed out cards, participated in the phone banks and spoke on my behalf. I am grateful for the ones that stepped in after Jo Anne’s accident and went door to door with me.
Thanks to Donna and Jo Anne for the decorations for the Democratic Women’s Rally and Donna for the prizes and decorations for the Senior Citizen’s Bingo Party.
To all the people that helped with my Rally at Sharewood Park, the servers, Butch for furnishing the food, The Goodsprings Band for the music and to all the wonderful people that attended, my humble thanks.
The people that wrote and recorded their radio ads, I really appreciate you taking the time to do those and I want to say how much I appreciate Kendrick for all his input and help.
Thanks for the poll workers that sat in the heat all day on Thursday, The people that endured the heat and long lines to place your trust and confidence in me by voting for me, I am deeply grateful.
I also appreciate my family for the after party and the many friends that attended.
I want to congratulate Mrs. Vanzant on her win and wish the very best for her in the next four years and the same to all the new commissioners as well as the ones re-elected. May you accomplish all your goals for the people you represent and move our great county forward.
Sincerely,
Glenn Gordon
Friday, August 04, 2006 9:53:47 PM will one day find God and realize all the lies they have told is going to get them no where.
Where were you for the past four years when it was none other than MRS. Vanzant spreading all the lies and running over people????
mr. gordon you are one classy man!
To anonymous Friday, August 04, 2006 9:23:59 PM, I think the voting in the Richland Trace (Bodenham) Poll, spoke volumes. The voting in that poll between Vanzant and Gordon said to me, the people in that area new Vanzant better than the other areas of the county. It is appalling to me the rest of the people in Pulaski don’t really know her reputation.
Our county lost out on one of the finest people ever, by not voting for Mr. Gordon.
Tommy and I would like to take this opportunity to thank each and every one who have chosen to put their faith in him as a new commissioner for the citizens of Giles County. Tommy is, unfortunately, not a "computer person". In reading some of the many posts on the blog, it is my understanding that some may take offense to my "typing" on his behalf. For this I apologize in advance. Nonetheless, it is his intention to serve not only the people in District 5, but also anyone that he can be of help to. "I greatly appreciate the votes of the people in the 5th district and look forward to serving you all with the utmost respect and integrity. Please feel free to contact me regarding any of the upcoming issues. I would also add that my home phone number is a McBurg listing, which sometimes makes it very confusing when trying to reach me. I have included my number on my campaign cards, however, I know that I have not been fortunate enough to see everyone during my campaigning. For these reasons I will include the number in this posting. Again, a sincere thank you to all who voted and to all who worked so hard on my behalf. I pledge to work hard to become the voice of the citizens who I now serve". We would also like to congratulate all the other candidates who worked so hard. "I look forward to working with each of you. I realize that it is unrealistic to expect everyone to agree on the issues at hand, but I am confident that if we all are willing to at least meet half way, we will surely be able to make the most effective decisions for the citizens we are there to represent". With Our Utmost Sincerity, Tommy and Tammy Pollard 931-732-4385 E-mail address tamtompollard@aol.com
I want to "Thank" the people of the second district for electing me to the County Commission. To my three opponents I congratulate you for a good honest and clean race. I wish you well and I look forward to working on the Commission and everyone who lives in my district feel free to contact me at any time. Let us all get to work in a positive, sincere manner and do what is best for our County. I, too, would like to express my gratitude and appreciation to Kendrick. I also sent him an email to that effect. To all voters and citizens who voiced your opinions on issues involving the good of this County I praise and comment you. You are as much a part of the system of the democratic proccess as anyone. I just wish we all could learn respect, honesty, and realize that just because one believes in something so strongly does not give one the right to take personal attacks on people in public places and fund raising events. When one attempts to impress upon candidates or public officials at such activities then one is showing a double standard by violiating those people's rights to attend a public function as an individual and a private citizen who wants to contribute to that function as a human being, not as a public servant, etc.! Think about it. The law protects those people in forms of restraining orders, peace bonds, or harassament statues. I, personally, do not think I could ever do this to a person because I believe in listening to people and letting people have their say, however when I go out to eat, go to a fund raiser, or function I believe I, as well as you, am entitled to my space. I am not by any means trying to be offensive, quite the contrary. I hope I can throw out an idea that will do something positive for the people in Giles County involved in politics.
Respectfully,
William Terry Hughes
Does this sound like someone who wants to hear from the people? Call me anytime but don't bother me in public. Talk to me in private (so I can tell you what you want to hear) but don't talk to me in public (where somebody else might overhear and be a witness when I don't follow thru). As a "public servant" aren't you suppose to serve the public which means giving up the idea of going somewhere as a "human being" instead of a public servant.
If you bother me in public I'll get a restraining order seems rather strong even for Giles County.
you crazy a-- people know no bounds and live in a completely different dimension. You have to learn to agree to disaree and to listen to others views and if those views are different from yours the other person is not bad, evil, crazy stupid or a low life, they just see the world with different eyes so get a grip and learn to play fairly and with some degree of respect and dignity.
Mr. Pollard,
I want to know if you condone lying? You supported Mrs. Vanzant during her campaign and due to that fact I am already concerned as how you will vote on issues.
Will you vote to allow Mrs.Vanzant to have two secretaries when in the past the County Executive had only one? I want you to vote, NO!
Will you vote for the $6,000.00 raise Mrs. Vanzant put in this years budget
for Jane? I want you to vote NO!
Will you check Jane’s qualifications to see if she is even capable of turning on a computer and has any knowledge of any secretarial duties other than cutting out photos from the newspaper to mail out to the public? Will you make an effort to see who pays for the postage for these mailings? You can’t just go and ask them because you will get a lie. Check for yourself. I am asking you to do this!
Will you support a wheel tax?
Will you vote for a property tax raise?
Did you vote for the Financial Act?
Will you uphold the will of the people and help implement the Financial Act?
Will you support a revision of the LUMP bill? I want you to vote YES!
Do you support zoning of ant kind?
Did you participate in any discussions or attend any meetings to create the “Vote The Ticket” and do you support that group and their beliefs especially the KKK as at least one member does?
What were your reasons for not answering the questionnaire mailed to all candidates by Mr. McPeters?
What are you thoughts on the Hunter and Smith building?
Will you vote to sell the Ambulance Service if it repeatedly doesn’t show a profit?
Are you a Democratic or a Republican?
If you and your wife do know and respect MRS. Vanzant’s assistant Jane, ask her if Mrs. Vanzant is married, if she resides in Lincoln County? When you do, we will then know if lying is a trait Jane has also.
I live in the fifth district and deserve answers to these questions since you didn’t come by my house when you were campaigning.
Monday, August 07, 2006 9:46:33 AM
Well well why didn't you run for office? The commisioners are supposed to exam the issues and do vote in favor of what is good for the county (everyone) as a whole not to appease just you. Good grief why you were at it why did't you just go ahead and demand to know his social security number and blood type?
I would like to see all the e-mail addresses and home addresses posted of each commissioner; therefore, when we have concerns that we need answers to, we can either write or e-mail them with our questions and statements. How about it commissioners? Are you willing to supply us that information?
"I would like to see all the e-mail addresses and home addresses posted of each commissioner;"
Don't strain yourself looking for a two part answer.
Forgot the <a> link syntax.
Don't strain yourself looking for a two part answer.
Use the name at the first link to get the physical address of the person.
Get the name at the second link whenever that gets updated.
Good grief-- will you whiners just get over it. The majority of the public has spoken (look at the votes). The election is over!!! Quit complaining and let the ELECTED officials do their jobs. I won some and lost some on my votes, but I am not going to spend all of my time bashing the ones that I did not vote for. The MAJORITY of the public elected them and now it OUR responsibility to support them. Oh and by the way Kendrick-- I just read your rebuttal to one the posts that you did not bash all of the candidates running-- I would probably agree with that-- you have just always bashed all of the candidates that have gotten ELECTED. If Mr. Gordon had gotten elected you would be bashing him before his term was up to. Leapards don't change their spots.
To the fifth district resident,
I guess he didn't need you vote to get elected--he had enough without it--Hmm would that be the majority-- so what would that make you?
To Anonymous, Monday, August 07, 2006 10:15:53 AM “demand to know his social security number and blood type?”
Do you live in the fifth district? If not what the heck is it to you what I ask? If you do live in the fifth district, you should be just as concerned as I am!
Anonymous Monday, August 07, 2006 1:55:50 PM Where did you see I didn’t vote for Tommy? I just said, “I have questions because he did not come by my house! I would think you would have similar questions of your commissioner also.
No matter what district the commissioners live in they all influence the entire county with thier individual vote did that ever occur to you? You are supposed to voice your opinions hopefully with some sort of logical and educated arguement to back it up not just yell at them with I WANT YOU TO VOTE THE WAY I TELL YOU. Kids and ignorant individuals demand someone to do what they want, intellient calm individuals decently ask questions, make suggestions and attempt to persuade others to consider their information.
William Terry Hughes
1963 Hidden Hills RD
Pulaski, Tn 38478
931.363.4307
931.638.1369cell phone
email: vols1973@dotspot.net
I hope this proves I will talk and listen to the people who elected me in District Two. In my blog I also said I,personally, do not feel I could do this to any person...and I was not being offensive, quite the contrary. Maybe I offended you by letting you know the rights of candidates. You also chose to take words of context and twist the statements to your negative mind set. I will not insult your intelligence by asking you about comprehension level and word meanings. In closing I stated some thing about getting people to be positive. Read what you want, say what you will because this is my last post on this blog. If you want to contact me all information is listed above. Call me, who knows we might just have some thing(s)in common. Or pick a place, bring some friends as witnesses since you must fear standing on your own two feet and having a civil discussion with another person. Are you insecure or do you need Snoopy and a security blanket to be there with you?...OOPS, now I am being hipprocitical...! Until then, it has been real and if I offended any of you, then I hope you will find it in your hearts to forgive me.
With kindest regards, I am
William Terry Hughes
This is it...there will no more cuz sum of ya jist wunt ta be plumb negatory all the time.
To Anonymous: Monday, August 07, 2006 8:44:47 PM
Post from Tammy and Tommy Pollard
“ we will surely be able to make the most effective decisions for the citizens we are there to represent”
Just what is your problem with me asking questions of my commissioner? Your commissioner is your business, not mind? I also don’t need you telling me what I can and cannot do. Just name me the questions I asked that are not decent?
As far as my being ignorant, I can spell the words “their, argument and intelligent” You better check your own ignorance gauge and quit harassing me.
Your spelling of the following words are, thier, arguement and intelligen can you detect the uneducated person now, that would be you my dear!!!
The word you miss spelled is intellient
TO:fifth district resident----- The word you mispelled is MISS SPELLED
In the previous post on Sunday August 06,2006 @8:55:14 I regretfully left out the complete email address for Tommy and myself. The complete address is as follows: tamtompollard10@aol.com I apologize for any inconvience this may have caused. Tammy Pollard
Sorry Tammy, but you did not spell inconvenience correctly.
Tammy.......I apologize for these people who are saying the things they do. Shameful, indeed!
And, I might add this: some of the most highly educated people cannot spell! That doesn't make them stupid or uneducated. And consider this....some of them were not southerners! Can you believe it!!!
I can't say for sure but I think the point was if you gonna complain about somebodys spelling make sure you don't make spelling mistakes yourself. Most of da time it ain't that hard to no what somebody is trying to say why not look at that instead of if they are spelling experts or typing perfect.
The questions ask by 5th district resident seemed legit to me and all the smoke about spelling just helped avoid giving answers. I noticed a lot of the candidates did that when they didn't answer questions in the paper or on this blog or else they was talking out both sides of their mouth. It seems to me that some of the ones elected are all ready trying to avoid questions from the people even threating to get a restraining order if somebody bothers them in public.
I do apologize for making a mistake. Thank the Lord you haven't witnessed the BIG mistakes I have made. I'm afraid to think what an uproar that might cause for some of these readers. OH but I'm sure you were joking around, right? You should have assumed that if I'm not capable of remembering my own email address that I surely would not be capable of spelling correctly either. Look forward to more mistakes from me in the future because I tend to make them quite often. There is, however, a plus side to all the mistakes because I usually learn something from all of them. Most Respectfully, Tammy Pollard
Tammy and Tommy -
A word of wisdom --- don't respond to people in a negative, condescending way. Remember to be the "bigger person" and just comment without being snide (like a lot of people on here can be), even though it's difficult.
Anonymous said...
Tammy and Tommy -
A word of wisdom --- don't respond to people in a negative, condescending way. Remember to be the "bigger person" and just comment without being snide (like a lot of people on here can be), even though it's difficult.
Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:10:54 PM
Hey Give the girl a break...you are the ones nit-picking her to death..I think I might understand why she may feel a little put out and be tempted to be a little snide with her comments. I realize that we should all be above responding to petty comments but we are all only human....at least most of us.
I haven't written anything to Tammy - don't even know her.
I was just trying to say that you shouldn't give negative people the satisfaction of letting them know that they've gotten to you. I would want to be snide, too, but I would try to keep from it.
I would just like to clarify my earlier posting. I had no intention of being "snide" in any way. As matter of fact I was simply trying to bring a little humor to the table. It would take a lot more than someone pointing out some minor spelling problems that I might have to upset me. Guess I might need to add a few HaHa's so no one gets the wrong impression. When Tommy and I made our 1st post here we actually thought we were doing something beneficial for everyone by thanking the voters and making sure they were able to contact him if they needed to ask him questions or voice their opinions on upcoming issues. Believe it or not we really do care what everyone thinks. I would also like to point out that Tommy had absolutely nothing to do with my earlier post. I will never sign his name to anything that doesn't involve him. However, he also got a good laugh about my mispelling problem being pointed out. Again, I do apoligize for the conflicts my posting has caused. Sincerly, Tammy Pollard
Let me see here. I was thinking that it was Tommy Pollard who won the commissioner's race -- or was it Tammy? Sincerely, just me
Why don't you people just leave her alone? Such a simple concept.
I’m in the 5th district and just started getting involved in the community. As a soccer mom of a large and active family the school system and sports in the school system is of interest.
I was disappointed by the out come in my district and feel that the person appointed is doing it for all the wrong reasons. Since no one on the Board has been talking about it I feel it is my responsablity.
First, he is doing it for another notch in his belt. His kids are all out of the school system, in fact one of his children doesn’t even live here anymore and his show boating is only hurting the system. Just because he THINKS he is a successful business man doesn’t mean he can understand the school system. My friend that works up there is always talking about how he is asking her questions about her job and how things work. She has been doing her job fine!
Second, How can someone who only had a High School education feel they should teach our children?
Third, Sports is a VERY important part of high school and should be given the same priority as other issues and classes.
Forth, How can he run for mayor of Lynnvile and 5th district school board, has anyone looked into this?!?! The good old boy system at work again!
Fifth, I was at the store the other day and people where saying they wished he would be the new chairmen of the school board. WHY?!?!? I am so tired of all of these radicals trying to stir things up!
To writer August 15, 4:28:
If you are commenting on School Board member Jim Greene (one I was happy to see elected) you have your details ALL WRONG. Jim Greene is a 30 year old, a small baby so only, AND has more than a high school education.
To Anonymous 15 August 7:01 post
Boy did someone give you a load of bad information. Mr Greene has proven to be one of the most effective school board members of the past ten years at least.
He has no children except for a fantastic little boy too young for school. It was the birth of this little boy that caused Mr. Greene to want to become more involved with the school system, and all of Giles County has benefited. He would be an excellent choice to chair the school board. He has never even tried to qualify to run for mayor of Lynnville.
I have never detected the slightest hint of self promotion in this very impressive young man.
Mr Greene is a fully qualified and working engineer.
If you think that sports isn't an important part of the school system ask Coach Miller. All too often sports is the only thing of importance. If academics could reach the same level of importance as sports this county would greatly impress the whole state with their elevated test scores. Allen Barrett
Amen to the above. Mr. Greene is a
fine person.
I am in the Fifth District and the lady got some wrong information. Jim Greene is going to be one of the best school board members we've ever seen. He asks a lot of questions so he will know how to serve the residents best, not so he can fire anyone for not doing their job! He doesn't have that kind of pull. The lady who doesn't like his questions needs to brighten up and realize he's asking for ALL THE RIGHT REASONS! Talk about stirring up a stink. None of the soccer mom's comments were true, other than yes I would love to see this boy be made chairman! I attended school with Bill Wallace and like him alot but feel Jim G. was the better choice.
To the soccer mom with ALL THE WRONG information I have a question, did you just move here? If you were from here I think you would have gotten your facts a little straighter. You should be more careful about your bashing until you know what your talking about. And I feel sorry for any parent that puts sports first and education second. Do you think Bill Wallace moved his child for the education? I don't think so. But you have to look over the mentallity of jock parents and try to understand where they are coming from.
The Jim Green(no e)you are talking about has different things in the paper about him and what he has done in the Lynnville community. He seems pretty involved for all the right reasons. He is trying to keep Lynnville the thriving little town it has become and doing a good job. So Soccer mom look for the intelligent side of conversations and get your facts straight.
Question? Did Claudia Johnson's radio ad hurt, help or not matter to the voters? A lot say it hurt.
Dear Soccer Mom,
Hi, I'm Melissa Greene, Jim Greene's (the one on the school board) wife. I think everyone that has posted has probably clarified that there are several "Jim Green(e)s" around Giles County.
Just for final clarification, we have one baby boy who is 8 months old. We've been in Pulaski (back home for Jim) for a little over a year now. Jim has a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering and got his MBA from Belmont University in Nashville.
As for sports being important, I don't know why you would think they weren't. I personally went to college on a basketball scholarship and still play softball and basketball on a regular basis. So, just from a spouses point of view, sports to me ARE important. But, the priority should always be on education first and sports second. Again, this is my point of view, so talk to Jim to get his opinion.
As to the comment about Jim asking your friend questions about her job and why things are done like they are, that is probably a very true statement. Jim has been in this position since early 2006, and therefore, he's trying to get as up-to-date on how things are run and why they are done that way. And if Jim doesn't understand why something is being done a certain way, then he is the type of person to go to the source (the people who deal with this everyday) and ask them for clarification. That way he is educated on what the issue is that is up for a vote.
I hope this helps clarify a little about my husband. I'm not trying to speak for him, but just give you a little background of his personal side. Please give him a call to discuss anything that ever comes up that is important to you. We're in the phone book. 931-363-2767
Thanks,
Melissa Greene
Mrs. Greene- Very classy. From: 1990 Richland High School grad.
Anonymous,Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:45:53 PM
Why would Claudia's ad hurt anything and what is your thought?
Not really my thought but hearing others talk about what a mistake it was to have her do the ad. Campbellsville people got really perturbed about it and some changed their mind about voting for him because she did the ad. I thought she sounded great and it was honesty about Mr. Gordon. He had a lot of leverage on Vanzant but would not do a dirty campaign. I don't care what people think of him as an individual but they should have paid closer attention in what Janet was saying in her campaign ads. The ad was full of lies and I can attest to several. But it's to late now. A group need to get organized called Citizens aginst Vanzant dishonesty and pay a private eye to follow her for several months and then hand her over to the DA.
i think those that are interested in Claudia doing the ad, should ask who paid for the ad?
What diffence, who paid for the ad. If she believed in the ad, and I would say she did or she would have not done it. She is not a weak person. She would only do what she believed in.
Anonymous Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:42:40 PM
You are exactly right! Some of the commissioners and the CE could not stand the fact that Claudia wrote about the commission meetings and the errors of Mrs. Vanzant. She was just doing her job!
So, with the informed people, I don’t think the ad hurt anything, unless it was a personal reason for someone.
Anonymous Sunday, August 20, 2006 4:43:23 PM
Would you mind telling me exactly what was said about the ads and who said it?
Also, was any of them a veteran?
Thanks,
To Soccer Mom,
Please show you have some decency and apologize to Jim Greene for having made all those wrong comments about him.
To Anonymous Wednesday, August 16, 2006 4:40:23 PM
Bill Wallace diffinitely didn't move Bo(a freshman who is now playing with the varsity team)from Richland to GCHS for the education. I'm am not sure about this action could someone tell me if it is even legal for him to do this. I was told you can not move your child to another school just to play sports? Who know what board policy states about that?
The board polocy says what the board wants it to say. I'm sure you're not implying that this move had anything to do with playing football when there is such an outstanding history class to be in.
I feel badly for Sandy Ralston for even thinking about questioning the election results. Kay Gibbons'clearly ran away with the votes from the get-go. I think both of these ladies are nice people and have no ill will toward neither, but I think Sandy is going to put a bad opinion in people's minds after this.
To Anonymous of August 20,4:43:
Are you willing to get the group organized or are you expecting someone else to do what you suggest?
She already has!
(Bill Wallace diffinitely didn't move Bo(a freshman who is now playing with the varsity team)from Richland to GCHS for the education. I'm am not sure about this action could someone tell me if it is even legal for him to do this. I was told you can not move your child to another school just to play sports? Who know what board policy states about that?
Thursday, August 24, 2006 7:22:47 AM)
An this is from a man who ran for the 5th district school board seat
Does anyone know who the other 12 students were that also transferred to GCHS last week?
I have heard that since Bill Wallace owns a business in Pulaski that he was able to transfer his son to GCHS. (Sports Zone)
Policy #6.02
7. Students who wish to participate in interscholastic athletic activities must attend the school(s) in the zone in which they live.
Black and white, plain and simple, this is on file with the board of education it all depends on who you are or who you know to what is considered to be a violation.
Hey, the only thing that's important is can he play football.
So stop whining about which school he goes to. You gotta keep focused
GCHS needs to go to the playoffs after getting the cowbell back.
Giles county has a quaterback and they can and would get to the playoffs without him, who says he is so great a player that just by him being on the team they will go to state and it is not fair to the boys who rightly deserve the position that was taken away when he was put on the team. To beat that he should actually be playing on the freshman team-but daddy has some pull somewhere. I guess he is too good(and I don't mean talent wise) to play with the team he should be playing with!!!!! I'm not whinning, right is right, and if it were your son whose position was taken away you would be upset.
Anonymous you are right. I was being very sarcastic in what I posted. Could this be pay back for Bill running for school board.
Might be a sneaking suspision there.
Check the TSSAA rules not board policy. TSSAA.org
Check the record books on this one boys. When Bill Wallace came to Richland High School as their star running back they were 6-0 only to have to forfeit those six games because Mr. Wallace was ineligible. It's about WIN, WIN!!!!
Not about what's right. Maybe they were transfered so they would'nt get lung cancer from the second hand smoke when they walk into Richland.
Trina Wallace says.....
Do you people not have anything better to do than talk about my son and husband? If you are going to talk about them get your story straight. First of all Bill is in 5th District. As I recall, this district contains the Richland area and Giles Co. area. We campaigned from Lynnville to Elkton, so when you comment that "this is a man who ran for the 5th district", yes it is. He is for all the children of Giles Co. Second of all Bo asked to go to GCHS. The "jock" parents had nothing to do with it. My husband and I want him to get a good education. Ask the 8th grade teachers at RHS. Bill was there every Friday talking to his teachers about his grades to make sure he was keeping his grades up.
And last, I don't think owning a business has anything to do with what school you attend. TSSAA does not care if you own a business. As an 8th grader you can transfer to a high school your freshman year and play sports. He did not go to GCHS to take the QB place. He went there to learn the game. He loves the boys that are on the team. Why don't you ask the head coach why he moved him up to varsity. I don't think it has anything to do with who we are. He did not even know who Bo's parents were until he started to school. Bo told me not to worry about what people say about him. I guess he has more character than alot of people think......or than alot of people.
Second hand smoke....what are you talking about.
Trina,
This county has a group who whine about everything in the book. It's pathetic, but that's the way it is here now.
I'm sure the second had smoke anonymous is speaking of is that of Principal McMasters. Don't worry Trina, a few more post then the bashing will turn back to Mr. Barrett. I'm sure once everyone finds out that he's secretly making the rules for the TSSAA they'll start yelling at him and leave your son and husband alone.
Oh, one other thing. If the Bobcats start winning I think they should give Trina and Bill a gas card, use of the drivers ed car and the booster club should supplement their income by $20,000.
That's just my opinion.
Mr. Barrett invites the bashing as you call it because of his smart-alecky mouth. He gets exactly what he dishes out! The old saying is true. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. Wouldn't you agree?
That is true, however Mr. Barrett seems to do a mighty fine job of taking it. A lot better job than I would.
P.S. Told ya Trina.
A free exchange of ideas does not lend itself to such things as presumptions of total rightness and superior intelligence on the part of one of the debating parties. That kind of attitude is inflammatory and counter-productive. I won't even go there on the anonymity thing. It has been sufficiently explained and should be understandable by now. In addition, it has nothing to do with bravery but rather, common sense. And, as you have seen, there are those who challenge your ideas with regularity. THAT is what I call a free exchange of ideas.
Trina,
You say Bo went to GCHS to learn the game, why couldn’t he learn the game at Richland. Maybe because someone knew GCHS was going to have a good team and Richland wasn’t and someone wanted Bo on a winning team! Also why if he moved to learn the game is he not playing with the freshman team, where he should be? I know for a fact there is at least one young man on the freshman team who also plays for the varsity and he honestly is good enough to play just for the varsity!!!!! You may say that those coaches did not know who Bo or his parents were before he started school, which I'm sorry to say is not correct. I knew a week before school started that Bo was transferring to GCHS and I knew that he would also play for the varsity team! Can you honestly say that the coaches did not know who his parents were and Bill was running for 5th district school board seat? And you say Bo asked to transfer to GCHS, there is not many kids who want to leave the friends that they have gone to school with for 9 years and go somewhere else.
The school board states that you can only play sports for the school that you are zoned in and Bo is zoned in the Richland district-the TSSAA states you CAN NOT transfer to another school just to play sports you have to have a bona fide reason.
It is not your son who people are talking about it is actually your husband! If Bill cares so much for the children why did he show his loving caring self one year at a Pop Warner game and would not let Bo and several other boys play their final game until the head of Pop Warner talked to him?????
He has also showed how much he cares for children at several baseball games, I understand he would not let Bo finish a game and sent him to sit in your vehicle until the game was over. I'm sure Bill was concerned about Bo's grades cause if he did not get good grades he would not be eligible to play sports.
As for the rules people say that they are not important, I would hate for the varsity team to go all the way to the playoffs and then be stripped of their winning games because Bill Wallace has pulled some strings somewhere.
I know Bill and I have seen him in action and I could not honestly say he acts like he cares about children except his own.
Yes you do have a very nice and polite son. YOU have done a wonderful job raising him.
Children aren't always the reflection of their parents. It's a sad thing that this fine young man is now in the middle of so much controversy. No he probably want be a super star this year and may not be next year but the hope is in the years beyond than. Without any injuries he will be a major high school star befor he graduates.
I don't understand if Bill was qualified to run for school board in the 5th district how was his son able to qualify to attend GCHS at the same time. Personally I don't care where he goes to school but I think what's good for one is good for the other. If it's true like somebody said at the school GCHS is overcrowded and Richland has a whole empty wing that letting people go to Richland would make more sense that telling them they can't while telling others they can go to GCHS if they play spors real good even if they ain't in the right school zone.
Please correct me if I am wrong. A student must live in the zone of that school. If so just check the records. If the ele, phone, cable etc. bills do not match. the child should be sent to what ever school that is allowed for him. Please this is not rocket science.
GB
Bill can pull some more strings and have the School Board move GCHS zone so it includes his address, half the road they live on is laready zoned GCHS
Trina Wallace Says....
Anonymous,(coward)
I was not going to get personal about this but now I am. My son did want to go to GCHS. He also wanted to go to Bridgeforth two years ago but we would not let him, because we did not think that he wanted to leave his friends. We were wrong!!!!! He does not have any friends at Richland because everyone talked about him and his parents just like YOU are now. Yeah, he had a couple of close friends there and they are still his friends now but the majority of the people there were jealous of him, just like obviously you are. But at least we knew who the people were that talked about him. You do not have the guts to tell us who you are. I am not going to bash the coaches at Richland because I like them all. He has been a sad kid for a long time. He had no idea if GCHS was going to be good. He had no idea if RHS was going to be good or bad. He did not care about that. I am not going to JUSTIFY what we did for our family to you or anyone else. What we did was the best thing for him, he is happy and we know we did the right thing. I had no idea that he would be on the varsity team. I know the freshman that you are referring to and I love him and his momma so don't go there with me about him being good enough I know that. But my son is good enough too or the coach would not have asked him to play on the varsity team. I feel a little anomosity there!?!?!? Bill has nothing to do with him playing on the team. Bo is a good kid and he was not raised by me alone. It takes two parents to make a good kid. He did not go to Richland to check on his grades to make sure he could play sports, he went to check on his grades to make sure he got the education. I AM NOT going to justify my family to you!!! Bill has spent countless hours with his kids teaching them the sports that they (our kids) want to play and love. He has come home from work after picking up Bo from practice and Bo wanted to throw football with him and he has. Then he helps our daughter with tumbling and and cheerleading, then he throws ball with his youngest son. Don't tell me that my husband does not care about his kids.
The school board has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with zoning a kid to play sports. Look up TSSAA to find out if my son is eligible to play or ask the coach. He is the one that told us that he could play. You say that this is nothing against me but when you talk about my husband and my son this is against me and I AM SICK OF IT!!!!!
Why does everyone have to be anonymous if they want to talk about my family? Have the guts to tell who you are. We already have an idea who you are but I guess you are ashamed to tell it. If you want to talk about the Pop Warner game, let's go there. Let's tell why he really did not want his son out there. The coach wanted to put in a new offense that my son or the other kids had never played before. Bill was not going to put his son in a position to get hurt because my sone did not know what was going on. Then the coach told lies to the president of Pop Warner to try to get Bill in trouble. If you really want to know what happened I have a letter from the president of Pop Warner apoligizing for the way Bill was mistreated and slandered. The allegations were lies and I have the letter to prove it. If you understand that he sent his kid to the vehicle then you understand wrong. My child has never ever been sent to the car. Get your story straight. Of course Bill cares about his children, don't you? Of course he wants what is best for his children, don't you? You want to talk about what a bad person he is and how he only cares about his own kids, let's talk about the fact that the next year that he coached Pop Warner football with Greg Tinnon and Buster Keaton that they went all the way to North Carolina to play in the play offs. Has any other team in Pop Warner done that? Also, when my son was 10 years old he coached a Little League team with Roger Parsons and Keith Coble and the all star team was 3rd in the state. I don't think it was only Bo or Bill who could carry a team that far. It had to be a team effort which includes the coaches.
There have been several kids that have transferred from Richland to GCHS not just mine. Why is mine the only one you are bashing?
This freshman team has an opportunity to be great in the future and I don't believe that one person will make a difference, but I can promise you this, you will NEVER hear Bill and I ever talk about another family the way you have ours. I hope that you can live with yourself knowing that you have such hatred in you heart for someone who just wants to do what is right for their family. I am not and will not let anyone bring this family down!!!! You can bet one thing I am happy for my son and proud of him and I really honestly could care less what else you have to say here because I will not reply and stoop to this level ever again. Maybe instead of writing something bad about my family you need to go out and work with your kid like Bill and I have and maybe YOU will have done a wonderful job raising your child. One without hate and animousity.
I do not see why you folks are giving Trina a hard time. I heard it myself today that a lot of Richland kids had transferred to GCHS. So what is the big beef? Sheesh!
I wonder if this is coming from the same crowd that is against EVERYTHING?
I do not have a child and this is not about Bo it is about Bill and what he will do to just win. I am sorry Bo got caught up in the middle of it.
I was there the game were Bill would not let Bo play and the reason he stated to the coach is not the one stated earlier.
I was there the year he took the team to the playoffs-only because he was allowed to hand pick his team and not follow the draft-same thing happened in baseball.
Bill has a win at all cost mentality. That is what the uproar is about not the boy-and I never directly attacked the boy.
One child in now going to GCHS and the other to are at Richland were everybody talked about is parents just like we are now-why are people talking?
I am not who you think I am!!
Forgot can't let anyone know who I am Bill might get me fired!!!
I did not read anything that sounded like a child was being attacked in such a vicious manner as stated by Mr. Barrett, I have read all the comments and from what I read it is not the child who is under fire, although he is mentioned, it is the father. It seems like people just want to know is the practice of moving your child to another school to play a sport legal. If someone could answer this question this would probably all be over! Does anyone know? Mr. Barret you are usually up to date on rules and regulations what is your take on the matter?
To Bill and Trina Wallace- When I made the comment about you owning a business in the Pulaski district-I assure you it wasn't meant to sound negative. I truly made the comment hoping people would shut up and now I come back to work after the weekend and it seems people have grabbed ahold of this subject and ran with it. If I were you, I wouldn't bother logging on. PS-I have a relative who moved two years ago out of the Richland District, this past year they found out and told him he'd have to finish at GCHS. He moved in with a family member in the Richland District and lasted at RHS the first two weeks and transferred to GCHS. He refused to graduate from a school where he'd put in 11 years and chose to graduate from one where he had very few friends. It's not about playing sports, this child doesn't play ANY. There's a problem at RHS, and ya'll know that's the truth.
JESUS CHRIST HOW DID THIS BLOG GO FROM WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE VARIOUS ELECTION RESULTS IN GILES COUNTY TO- WHY A CHILD TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER SCHOOL AND BECAME IT'S STARTING QUARTERBACK? I HAVE READ THIS SITE FAITHFULLY EVERYDAY AND NOW I REALLY AM SICK OF LOGGING ON AND SEEING HOW EVERYONE GOSSIPS. MAY YOU ALL BE JUDGED AS HARSH AS I KNOW YOU WILL.
According to the TSSAA a child can change to another school beginning his or her 9th grade year and play a sport in the county. The child can not start at his/her home school and be there for 3 days and then change. This would be a violation of the TSSAA if the child tried to play a sport. So if the Wallace's started their son on day one at GCHS then he is eligible to play football. If other students started at Richland and went for three days and then transferred they would not be eligible for sports this year.Bev Murrey
Alright, children, this is a little ridiculous. It sounds to me that someone is a little ticked off that Bo Wallace changed schools and might have taken a position or two from some other loving parent's kid or kids. It is understandable that you are upset. I did the same thing to a few kids when I changed schools down in Alabama when I was in High School. I loved every minute of it and I thank my dad to this day for allowing me to do so...when I, yes I, asked him and my mother if I could. Bill, you did the right thing for your son. Who says that a kid can not get a good education at GCHS? That is crazy. I know Bo Wallace and that kid is a worker on the football field and I am sure it will carry over in the classroom. Get off of it...Why do you care? It may be alright to be a little jealous, but ENVY will make you burn. It is kinda like that beautiful girl that comes into school...every other girl wants to take a shot at her. Remember this...it usually backfires. Wait a few years, if it does not work out for Bo and his parents, then get on here and bash them all you want to, but until that time go cast your stones at someone else that deserves it! I have not known Bill and Trina as long as some of you have, but I feel that I can judge someone's character within a short amount of time. I'd let them raise my son in a heartbeat. If football and winning is important to those parents and their children then let it be. Do you think that Bo Wallace or any other young boy/girl is going to learn more about life's struggles sitting in a classroom falling asleep to the Qing Dynasty in 1200B.C....or falling down and getting back up on the field of play. So don't give me this EXCUSE about his education. I don't think that this is what all the fuss is about is it? FACE IT...IT LOOKS LIKE BO IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND YOU CAN'T TAKE IT!!!
Whoever made those last statements about the Wallace Family hit the nail on the head. Case closed. All of this should end after those statements. Whoever you are, words well spoken! Bill, Trina, Bo, Little Brice, and Beautiful Bailey good luck in all of your future endeavors. Keep up all your good work with this community.
Wait a second! Scratch the remarks made by anonymouus. He stated when he was in high school in Alabama. This clearly disqualifies him from any intelligent statements, comments, remarks, etc. Just read article 74 item 12 of the "Giles County Guide to Keeping Outsiders Out" handbook. He is clearly an outsider. He made some very good points but now it's just hearsay. I am not an outsider so let me tell you this,
Bill, you did the right thing for your son. Who says that a kid can not get a good education at GCHS? That is crazy. I know Bo Wallace and that kid is a worker on the football field and I am sure it will carry over in the classroom. Get off of it...Why do you care? It may be alright to be a little jealous, but ENVY will make you burn. It is kinda like that beautiful girl that comes into school...every other girl wants to take a shot at her. Remember this...it usually backfires. Wait a few years, if it does not work out for Bo and his parents, then get on here and bash them all you want to, but until that time go cast your stones at someone else that deserves it! I have not known Bill and Trina as long as some of you have, but I feel that I can judge someone's character within a short amount of time. I'd let them raise my son in a heartbeat. If football and winning is important to those parents and their children then let it be. Do you think that Bo Wallace or any other young boy/girl is going to learn more about life's struggles sitting in a classroom falling asleep to the Qing Dynasty in 1200B.C....or falling down and getting back up on the field of play. So don't give me this EXCUSE about his education. I don't think that this is what all the fuss is about is it? FACE IT...IT LOOKS LIKE BO IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND YOU CAN'T TAKE IT!!!
Anonymous Monday, August 28, 2006 9:00:11 AM,
“There's a problem at RHS, and ya'll know that's the truth.”
I see it everyday, now, what can we do to fix these problems since our hands are tied behind our backs? We need help!!!! Those that can, leave.
Ms. Murrey, since you were just elected to the board you should check local school board policy. The policy, I believe says that he cannot transfer and play sports there the first year. Check your policy book!
I have read the manual but went back page by page to see what I could find. I then went on line to the TN Code Anno. and I didn't come up with anything there. In the policy book this was all I could find, but willing to search further if you would like or point me in the right direction.
Pupil Personnel: Policy #4:35
3rd paragraph: Bylaws of the Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association TSSAA) shall regulate the operation and control of secondary athletics.2 Under legal references I looked under TRR/MS 0520-1-2-.08 (1)I didn't find any of the findings with other school systems that would pertain to this subject. If you would like to talk with Bernard Childress at TSSAA he will gladly talk with you. Believe me I looked at every avenue before I printed what I did from the TSSAA. I always try to do my research and home work before I speak. I will always look elsewhere if I haven't looked before or someone give me some guidance as to looking elsewhere. As a board member I work for all children in the county and voters across the county. When I vote I will be one of seven, but will vote for what is right for the improvement for the children for learning and enjoying getting an education and teachers making it condusive to learning.
This policy was adopted December 17, 1998. I looked in the revised policy material and nothing was mentioned about athletics. Let me hear from you. Bev Murrey
It has been helpful, but I have to go on what the official with TSSAA says. That's all I can tell you. If a parent or parents want to challenge any or all they are more than welcome to do so. Mr. Childress pretty much said what you said but he said that a change from Richland Middle to a highschool is a change. Since Giles County High SChool is not zoned the student can make a placement change to another high school if it is not zoned. You can not go north with out of zoned students in Giles County but you can come south with students because of the zoning. Bev
What is going to happen to Ms. McMasters? Bev Murrey are you going to get her out of Richland like you promised a few people during the campaign?
My goodness, give the woman a chance to settle into her new position!!!!
Many people have complained about Ms. McMasters but until someone steps up and has proof, documentation, facts, or whatever else is needed then Ms. McMasters is considered to be doing a good job. If anyone wants to be brave enough to step forward with any complaints and let it be known as to who they are and what she has done then she is untouchable by me, the board, and Mr. Jackson. Give me something to work with, or I have to let things stay as they are. People that have talked to me about her have been told the same thing.Bev
Bev,
It's nice to have someone who is willing to stand up for others. Thanks-my hats off to you!!!!!!
Another bit of information on how the school board is suppose to work....We have no say so on who is hired or fired, we grant tenure. What we have to do is make Mr. Jackson accountable to us for all of the teachers, principals, support staff, supervisors, etc. If the school board members continue to hear alot of things about situations throughout the next few months then we discuss this at the retreat in the winter when we evaluate him. Wish the board could do more but he is our only employee and he is the one that is accountable for everyone else. Not copping out, just have to use what information we get to see to it that he does the right thing or he will be the one to face the consequences. Bev
Look people the board of education works for us so therefore Tee Jackson works for us and as with any job the boss can fire an employee. so it would seem like if the employer(the tax payers in Giles County) is not satisfied with the job the employer(Tee Jackson) is doing they should be fired. We as taxpayers should come together to get this burr out from under the saddle of Giles County.
Does anyone know a way that the taxpayers as citizens of Giles County can get ride of him. This man can not be allowed to stay here until 2010.
What about a petition?
i would sign it!
There is a problem with RHS,there
is a problem with GCHS,there is a problem with the school boards,
the TSSAA,and anyone involved with
doing something wrong or overlooking,violations,or manipulating the school systems.
You know what is right and wrong.
Yes I am talking about an ineligible Richland transfer student.TSSAA clearly states this
and peaple in the system are
turning a blind eye to it because they can.The TSSAA goes by the
information that is given them
by the princple,that is given him by the parents.Whats wrong then
if parents take advantage of a system that will overlook this?
whats wrong if a principle then
overlooks this?What will be next?
I know all you peaple cant really
beleive we dont know what is going on here!Just because you can get away with it makes it right,huh.
NO! It just tells everyone who plays by the rules how selfish
miserable peaple you must be to
take advantage of others.I put no
blame on any child,but on anyone
who knowingly break the rules,and
[in the system]that will allow it.
Look peaple,everyone in Giles County knows that TSSAA rules have been broken.You also know that local board rules have been broken.
The fact of the matter is that someone or ones are covering the facts with lies.If the head of the school tells TSSAA they are in compliance,that's all tssaa needs.
As I said,EVERYONE, in Giles County knows!The only reason tssaa
is not following up is because we have peaple in power that are willing to lie/not tell the whole truth/and overlook.Makes you wonder why this is happening.Is someone getting their bread buttered under the table?
As long as no one reports anything to TSSAA they will not investagate. If you feel there is wrong doing going on call them. When they investagate they will find out the answers.
that's the problem no one will stand up for the fear of repurcussions on their child
Set the scene- a high school football team-their quarterback goes down-they still win that game.
The news is not good-quarterback will probably be out for the season. the back-up quarterback is told he will start.
This is where it gets tricky. They have a third string quarterback who had a broken foot, who has only played in 2 games, and that was limited play.
He comes to school without his boot, now both quarterbacks are told they will play.
Game night third string quarterback starts and at half time they are losing, backup quarterback has not been put into the game.
At the end of the game the score is 28-3 and the backup quarterback never took the first snap in the game. They never tried anyone but the third string quarterback who had just returned from an injury 3 days prior to the game.
Let's say this quarterback is zoned Richland School went to Ricland until the eighth grade-started his freshman year at GCHS. Mind you this child has been tauted as a rising football superstar(this was posted earlier onthis thread).
I took these from previous posts:
School Board Policy
Policy #6.02
7. Students who wish to participate in interscholastic athletic activities must attend the school(s) in the zone in which they live.
TSSAA Policy
"Bona Fide Change of Residence" - A move from one community to another that justifies a change of schools. Where a family continues to maintain a previous residence for the residential purposes of that family or any of its members, the move is not one that justifies a change of schools for purposes of the TSSAA Bylaws.
"Territory" - For a public school, the "territory" of the school is the geographic boundaries and bus routes of the area served by that school as established by the local board of education. For a system-wide public school, the "territory" of the school is the geographic boundaries of the school system. For a non-public school, the "territory" of the school is the area within a twenty (20) mile radius from the school.
"Transfer Student" - A transfer student is any student changing schools for any reason other than having completed the highest, or terminal, grade at another school. A student who must change schools because he/she has completed the highest grade at his/her previous school is not considered a transfer student and is eligible to participate in athletics at any school he/she attends, without further approval, provided he/she satisfies the residence requirement above.
So basically here is the situation. A student who completes the eighth grade at Richland Elementary is not considered a transfer student and can enter Richland High School, both schools are in the designated district or territory, without restrictions to their eligibility to play sports. The same student, however can not enter Giles County High School, because it is in a different district or territory, unless they have a bona fide change of residence into the territory of the Giles County High School. It's basically like a voting district. A person must in order to vote reside in the same district that they reside. Without satisfying the residence requirement a student is ineligible to participate in sports for a period of twelve months. A violation of this rule results in a forfeiture of any games that student participated in. Allen Barrett
According to the TSSAA a child can change to another school beginning his or her 9th grade year and play a sport in the county. The child can not start at his/her home school and be there for 3 days and then change. This would be a violation of the TSSAA if the child tried to play a sport. So if the Wallace's started their son on day one at GCHS then he is eligible to play football. If other students started at Richland and went for three days and then transferred they would not be eligible for sports this year.Bev Murrey
The TSSAA is very specific in its qualification for eligible atheletes-go to their website.
Now you decide what you think is right and if any wrong doing is goin on!
There is alot of post on here saying a family is being picked on, I am an outsider looking in and I don't think that is the case. Although there are a few post that are against the father, it looks to me like people are upset because they feel some rules have been broken because of who the people are, and I see Mrs. Murrey says that it is okay but when you read all the policies they seem to say it's not. Someone needs to contact TSSAA and see what their take on the situation is. That would clear it all up. But keep in mind if or when you do this if the child was not eligible to play the team will have to forfeit the games he played in!!!!
Thanks for taking it upon yourself to use my info from the TSSAA. Just so you know the information I have printed IS FROM the TSSAA. I talked to Bernard Childress, whom I taught with at Whitthorne Middle School many moons ago, and he is with the TSSAA. If you had put down everything I said instead of bits and pieces you would have seen that I was not saying that anything was or was not okay. I was telling the public that wanted to know the rulings is what I wrote before. But you seem to want the TSSAA to say what you want to hear and not what their rulings are. And under the board policy I think you will find that it says the athletics will go by the rulings of the TSSAA. Please do your own work and I will do mine. Please give me a call if you feel that we need to discuss this further. I will gladly give you my time. Thanks, Bev Murrey
Mrs. Murrey that is your complete post from Monday, August 28, 2006 8:40:30 PM I did not pick bits and pieces. I thought the purpose of your post was so that people could use it to understand the rules. If you go over your previous post you do say that the people and policies you checked it with say that it is okay. If I offended you by all means I am sorry, but if you would read my post again you would see I did not accuse you personally of anything. Because someone thinks something is still wrong I was just suggesting that they contact TSSAA themselves for an investagation to settle the matter once and for all. Is something wrong with that?
Thanks
To Mrs Bev Murrey,
Just a quick question:
So what you are saying is even after all the research you have done says that it is okay for this child to play you can not say it is or isn't okay? If everything I came across told me it was okay than I would assume it to be okay-is that not the case here?
Mrs Bev Murrey.
Is this child a transfer from Richland?
If so,does he now reside in the district/territory of giles county?
Does school board policy#6.02 state
that, in order to play a sport a student must attend schools in the zone they reside in?
Does TSSAA rules state that without a bona fide change of residence a transfer student is ineligible to play a sport?
Do you understand what 8th grade participation means concerning eligibility?Finally'when you spoke with Mr Childers did you tell him this child is zoned Richland and has siblings attending richland schools?
It would be a great shame if this years GCHS team,especially the seniors,had to forfiet some games because of something like this.I dont think a thorough job was done in determining this childs eligibility.If I am wrong about this,someone is not being truthfull.Either way, the child in question is the one who pays for it.I think if peaple could get answers that say the same thing the rule books say,we wouldn't have this mess.
Would someone explain how this subject got under this topic & why has this angered some people. My children have been out of school too long for me to know what is going on.
Please go back up and read the posts starting on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:41:28 AM.
My understanding is, Richland is zoned but GCHS is not zoned. There were other students that transferred to GCHS from Richland this year.
This is word for word from TSSAA! You all read and decide what you think is right!!!!!!
Students Changing Schools
Section 11. General Provisions.
Residence. A student changing schools for any reason, to be eligible, must live at home with his/her parent(s) or guardian(s), unless:
(a) the student is moving to a boarding school and has no athletic record the previous twelve months in any sport;
(b) the student is moving as a direct result of the dissolution of the student's home due to death;
(c) the student is moving as a direct result of the divorce of the student's parents; or
(d) the student is moving as a direct result of the separation of the student's parents, provided a complaint or petition for absolute divorce has been filed with a court having jurisdiction to grant the divorce.
"Transfer Student" Defined. A transfer student is any student changing schools for any reason other than having completed the highest, or terminal, grade at another school. A student who must change schools because he/she has completed the highest grade at his/her previous school is not considered a transfer student and is eligible to participate in athletics at any school he/she attends, without further approval, provided he/she satisfies the residence requirement above.
Executive Director Approval Required. A school may not allow a transfer student to participate in athletics until his/her eligibility has been verified and approved by the Executive Director. The school is responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the information supplied to the Executive Director for this purpose.
Page 13 June 14, 2006
2006-07 TSSAA Handbook
Participation While Ineligible. If a student who is ineligible, under these provisions regarding students changing schools, competes in a contest while ineligible, then the student upon becoming eligible under these provisions will nonetheless be ineligible to participate in twice the number of contests in which he/she participated as an ineligible student or will be ineligible for the remainder of the season, whichever is less.
Section 12.
Eligible Transfer Students.
Except as otherwise provided in Section 13 below, the following transfer students are eligible:
a. The student has no athletic record in the previous twelve months in any sport sponsored by TSSAA;
b. There has been a bona fide change of residence by the student's parents or guardian. If such a change of residence occurs between school years, the student must transfer at the beginning of the school year to be eligible. If the change of residence occurs during the school year, the student may transfer without loss of eligibility (1) at the time his/her parents change residence; (2) at the end of the next report card period; (3) at the close of the semester or term; or (4) at the close of the school year;
c. The student changes schools as a direct result of re-zoning or reassignment of students by the local school system;
d. The student is moving from a boarding school to the school serving the territory where his/her parents live, or vice versa, provided the student has attended the school he/she is leaving for a minimum of twelve months and provided the principal at the school he/she is leaving indicates in writing that the move is not for athletic or disciplinary reasons. The move must be at the beginning of the school year. (Note: The school must be outside the day school territory of the boarding school.);
e. The student is transferring to a senior high school in the same system into the earliest grade offered at that senior high school, i.e. at the student's first opportunity to move to that school.
f. The student who has been determined by a Court to be dependent and neglected and consequently changes residences and schools as a result of a Court order;
g. The first time the student changes residence from one parent to the other as a result of a court ordered custody change, so long as the principal of the former school attests in writing that the move was not for athletic or disciplinary reasons; or
h. The first time the student changes residence from a guardian to either or both parents as a result of a court ordered custody change, so long as the principal of the former school attests in writing that the move was not for athletic or disciplinary reasons;
i. The student is attending school where the student's parent works as a full-time employee, that parent takes a full-time job at a different school, and the student transfers to the school where the parent takes the new job. The transfer must take place when the parent takes the job or, if the job change occurs during the school year, the transfer must be made at the beginning of the following school year;
j. The student who transfers from school A to school B and then returns to school A without having participated in any sport at any level or without practicing in any sport at any level at school B. This must be verified in writing by the administration of school B.
Page 14 June 14, 2006
2006-07 TSSAA Handbook
Section 13. Ineligible Transfer Students.
The following transfer students are ineligible for a period of twelve months from the student's last participation date (these provisions do not apply to students who have no athletic record for the previous or current school year):
a. A student who transfers without a bona fide change of residence by his/her parents;
b. A student who transfers as a result of a change of residence is ineligible unless (1) the old residence is outside the territory of the new school, and (2) the new residence is both outside the territory of the old school and inside the territory of the new school;
c. If a student has been ruled eligible as a result of a change of residence, and the parents or guardian return to the former residence before the student has been enrolled in the new school for one complete school year (or twelve months if the transfer occurred during the school year), the student will be ineligible for twelve months from his/her last participation date;
d. If a student has satisfied all other requirements for eligibility but was under discipline at his/her former school, the student shall be ineligible at the new school for twelve months or until the disciplinary charges have been removed, whichever is less.
If the ineligible student has an athletic record for the previous or current school year in football, basketball, baseball, girls softball, or track and field, the student is ineligible in all of these sports. In all other sports, ineligibility applies only to the particular sport in which the ineligible student has an athletic record for the previous or current school year.
According to that he can not be classified as a transfer student and so therefore he can not use this rule.
e. The student is transferring to a senior high school in the same system into the earliest grade offered at that senior high school, i.e. at the student's first opportunity to move to that school.
Can someone please explain how Giles and Richland schools are or are not in the same system and if they have different boundaries or territories.
I think this is probably why folks are upset.I have read TSSAA bylaws and I can see why this is difficult.On one hand,you can, on the other, you cant.
I also can see why folks are mad that students can transfer from Richland to Giles with out penalty but not vice versa.[I dont know or care,can see their point though.]
The biggest questions I can see would be are these schools[GCH-RH]in the same system AND same territory or boundaries.
And is a change of residence required?
Like I said,TSSAA,says tranfers
into the same system are ok but on that other hand they say a change of residence is still required if the schools are in different boundaries. I may be wrong, but boudaries are set by bus rts.among other things for public schools.
It all depends on how the TSSAA interprets the rules.
Each school is in the same system. If my memory serves me correct, I think Richland was zoned due to over crowding several years ago.
The notion of kids changing from one school to another for sports is as simple as this: the kid and the family want to be associated with a winner. Not a loser.
Also, if the kid has any aspirations to play at the college level, he has to play at a bigger school. His parents know this very well, or at least they should.
RHS used to get good athletes back in the day when they won. The fielded basketball teams with Pulaski players that lived with their 'grandmas' or some other arrangement. Girls BB also had Miss Basketball come over from Lincoln County.
It's no secret or surprise when this happens, only when it hits a nerve with some parents who are jealous. Sometimes you have to accept your kid is not as good as another. Are going to go cry to Dr. Phil? That is why I am not playing for the NY Yankees (I am not as good as Derek Jeter - though my mama says I am). Just get over it people. Go to the games and cheer for your community.
Jim F.
So Jim F. are you saying as an adult who is suppose to be a role model for today's children it is okay to do something questiionable? Are you saying that we are to tell our children that just because you can get more by doing whatever it takes to get what you want it is okay? So we are suppose to tell our children look even though this child should not be playing it's okay because they are good and they need to play here so that they can get more for themselves in the future. Sir you are wrong!!!!!!!!!!! There is a right way and a wrong way to do things and it's not by telling your children to just get over it when someone does something they should not have. Everyone should have to abide by the same rules. That is one of the biggest problems with this world today children are being taught to take what you want no matter what it does to someone else. There are still people in this world who have ethics and try to teach them to the younger generation so maybe they will not be so selfish and self-centered. I believe that seems to be the problem here not jealousy. People feel rules were broken and just want answers.
NOTHING was being said about Bo on this blog when he was out for 6 weeks with an injury. How ironic is it that as soon as he comes back to play for an injured 1st string QB last Friday, that all of this talk of him being an ineligible player starts up again??? Could it be because another QB didn't get to start and/or play in last Friday night's game??? Could this QB's parent(s) be upset that he didn't get to play and Bo did? If so, could they have something to do with all that is being said on this blog about Bo's ineligibility? Or is there a remote possibility that the father and a co-worker who have been overheard discussing this matter (the co-worker also has a QB in the football program - freshman team, not varsity) are both contributing to the discussion of Bo's ineligibility on this blog? Hmmmmmmmm - makes you wonder just a little now doesn't it?
Some of you quote part of TSSAA and try to tell people what's right and wrong about transfering schools and playing sports, but you fail to quote the bylaws that are contrary to your way of thinking on this matter. If you want to quote it, quote more than just the bits and pieces that make you look right.
This is also word for word from TSSAA as posted on their website and 2006-07 online handbook. These are the bits and pieces that you conveniently left out...
A school may not allow a transfer student to participate in athletics until his/her eligibility has been verified and approved by the Executive Director. The school is responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the information supplied to the Executive Director for this purpose. Page 13 June 14, 2006
Section 7. The principal of each school, in all matters pertaining to the athletic relations of his/her school, is responsible to this Association. The principal shall exercise control over all finances, the scheduling of contests, and all other matters involved in the management of the school's athletic program.
This means that any and all transfer students participating in sports, must have their information submitted to TSSAA by a school administrator (in this case the prinicipal). So it was up to Mr. Hastings to provide the necessary information that he collected from Bo's former school(RJHS) and it's principal (Bobbi McMasters), parents, etc. to TSSAA in order to get an approved eligibility form on file.
Section 12. Eligible Transfer Students. Except as otherwise provided in Section 13 below, the following transfer students are eligible: a. The student has no athletic record in the previous twelve months in any sport sponsored by TSSAA; e. The student is transferring to a senior high school in the same system into the earliest grade offered at that senior high school, i.e. at the student's first opportunity to move to that school.
Definition of Athletic Record and Last Participation Date:
Athletic Record – A student has an “athletic record” if the student has played in an interscholastic contest at the varsity, junior varsity, ninth grade, or any other level, on behalf a TSSAA member school or a school that is a member of a state athletic association holding membership in the National Federation.
Last Participation Date – the date of the last interscholastic athletic contest in which the student participated.
Section 13. Ineligible Transfer Students. The following transfer students are ineligible for a period of twelve months from the student's last participation date (these provisions do not apply to students who have no athletic record for the previous or current school year - Again see definition of Last Participation Date and Athletic Record!!!
Although it is complicated, it is really not that hard to understand. There are many specific rules about ineligibility, however, there are also bylaws that are put in place by TSSAA that allow certain expceptions for transfer students. That is why there are categories a,b,c,d,e,f,g,and so on. A player can fit into one or many of these categories, but he certainly doesn't have to meet them ALL in order to be eligible. As long as the player has a signed approval form from TSSAA, then he is eligible to play whether you agree with it or not.
Also, you are comparing apples to oranges if you are trying to compare the school board policy to TSSAA rulings. Unlike Richland, Giles County High School is not zoned, therefore anyone within the boundaries of Giles County can attend this high school regardless of their residence or voting district. This is where the "bona fide change of residence" doesn't apply. Not only do the Wallaces' live within Giles County, Bo started GCHS as a freshman with no prior "athletic record" - Again, please see TSSAA's definition of Athletic Record...
Oh yeah - and to the Concerned Mom - aren't you the self righteous one!!! You say that you want answers, but no matter what answers you are provided on this blog, they're not what you want to hear, so that must mean that they're all lies! You don't want answers, you just want someone to tell you what YOU want to hear whether it's an actual rule or not. How about being a role model yourself and teaching others how not to judge someone before knowing all the "facts" about them and/or their situation? Do you think that a part of having ethics is to start RUMORS just because you like taking bits and pieces of second hand information that you've collected and then making up your own little stories to tell about people? Are you insinuating that we teach our youth that if another person is allowed to do something that we're not, and we don't like it, then it's okay to taunt that person and their families until we get OUR way? Here's a suggestion - why not teach our youth that although not all rules may seem fair for everyone, they are rules just the same, and must be followed regardless of whether they benefit you or not. If you don't like the rules then be upset with the people who made them (in this case TSSAA), but not at the person who benefited from them. One more thing - you seem quite content with hiding behind your "Concerned Mom" title on this blog instead of using your name and confronting those that you THINK have broken the rules. Are you afraid to state who you are because you are part of the conspiracy listed in paragraph # 1 above???
No one who has written about broken rules, ineligibility, etc. has any validity to their accusations. You all keep referring to this rule and that rule and what's right and what's wrong, but I've yet to read any information that you've collected from an actual official or school administrator that would back up what you're insinuating. So why don't you do us all a favor and just give it a rest!
For your information I did not say that I just wanted answer if you read the post again you will see I said people just want answer. You are very presumptuous in assuming I wrote anything other than the comment to Jim F..
As far as teaching children, I was not insinuating anything. I was stating the fact that some people teach the younger generation if you want it take it no matter the cost to anyone else. No it is not right to antagonize others but it is not right to tell kids to just get over something if they feel it is wrong, either.
And for your information my post was just questioning the one above it, the question posed was just pointed in that direction asking if someone were not suppose to play somewhere should we tell our children it is okay just because that child is good? What is your answer to that?
I personally don't care where the child plays, his playing doesn't affect my child, but he did play eighth grade football for Richland. Does that qualify as an Athletic Record?
Since you seem to think I am responsible for everything I went over the post again, so you are stating that this child is a transfer student-Does he meet the definition of a transfer student according to TSSAA? This is their definition(I did cut bits and pieces this time) "Transfer Student" Defined. A transfer student is any student changing schools for any reason other than having completed the highest, or terminal, grade at another school. A student who must change schools because he/she has completed the highest grade at his/her previous school is not considered a transfer student and is eligible to participate in athletics at any school he/she attends, without further approval, provided he/she satisfies the residence requirement above.
Executive Director Approval Required. A school may not allow a transfer student to participate in athletics until his/her eligibility has been verified and approved by the Executive Director. The school is responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the information supplied to the Executive Director for this purpose.
As I said before I was just questioning the post above the one I made and nothing else. But since you seem to want to accuse me of being the author of every post that is on here, I feel the need to defend myself.
I also see that you accuse me of hiding I don't see your name attached to your post either!!!!
It's not nice to accuse someonelse of the same thing that you do yourself. At least I did put a name on my post so people reading could distinguish from other anonymous posting. Seems that didn't help did it, you still accused me of writing everything on this blog. You need to take your anger out somewhere else.
Before you attack someone you need to have your facts straight about who said what!
Have a wonderful day
Seems I may have ruffled your feathers a little, huh? Point made. Now you see what it's like to be attacked and accused of things that you may or may not be responsible for! You're right - it's not nice!!! I don't think you were the author of every other comment on this blog nor did I state such. And you're right, just like 99% of everyone on here, I did not attach my name. Funny how this makes you so angry at me now! I'm already having a great day - Thanks!
Does anyone know whether or not Richland Elementary is considered a separate school from RHS?
In that case, it would not seem like he transferred as defined by TSSAA.
I still believe that people are making a mountain out of mole-hill here. If you parents are not preparing you kids for the real world, then how are they going to react when they don't get the job they want, or the promotion they want, or the spouse they want, etc. Life's not fair. Looks like we have a bunch of people here crying because their kid is not as good as someone elses. That is a shame. Same people tell them them that 'beauty is on the inside'. Yeah - what a load.
JIM F
I did not accuse anyone of anything in my post, and you did not make me angry. I was just pointing out the fact that you choose to post anonymous but yet put me down for the very same thing. The !!!! marks were just to stress that fact and not meant to show anger in anyway. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I do not get angry just because some does not agree with me. I hope you have a wonderful rest of the day.
Jim F.
No life is not fair but the get what you want at what ever takes is not right either. I try to teach my children there is a consequence for every action(good or bad), to respect others, do not intentionaly hurt anyone else and respects the rules, regulations and laws given to them.
I just have one question: If you witnessed something/anything at all that was not right would you stand by and let it just happen or would you say something? What if that something they were doing wrong was taking something away from you?
Yes I do tell them that true beauty is in the eye of the beholder-you see just because you believe something or someone is beautiful that doesn't mean someone else sees the same way. Beauty is as beauty does also.
And to be totally honest if my child was the one who's position was taken away, YES I would be angry and would search for answers to the questions I may have IF I had the slightest thought that something was not right. There are not too many parents who would just let it go without question if they thought their child was being wronged.
I want to stress my posts have nothing to do with the Wallace family. I have seen Bo Wallace play sports and yes he is a very good athlete and a very nice young man.
anonymous said...
I know for a fact that the Wallace kid IS ELIGIBLE to play sports at GCHS and I have the TSSAA form to prove it. If anyone would like to see it please give me a call and I would be HAPPPPYYYYYY to show it to you.
Bo's MOM
Because everyone seems to be speaking of ,to ,or for me I think I should set it straight.Because ONE of the positions my son plays is qb,I started this by defaut.I didnt start this.If Bo Wallace is or is not eligible is not up to me.I have no control of this.I have not said anything about anyone on this blog until now.I know the Wallaces think I am thier worst enemy but that is far from the truth.Bill has enough enemies without me.I do have my oppinions on the matter but so does everyone.Am I upset that my son didnt play?NO,my son did play just as he has played in every game this year.If you overheard me say something you didnt like,I hate it.As I said I have my oppinions like everyone and if you want to hear it just ask me.Im at every game and most practices.If you dont want to hear it dont ask and dont be nosey.But if I am asked I will speak my mind.If you think I am worried about my son you are mistaken,he is an athelete and has helped his team and will be a big time player in the future.Anyone who knows him will tell you the same.So you can cry about what is said about you or your friends and blame me for your troubles if you want to.Go ahead,be childish,BUT
at least have the guts to sign your name.Trina does,I did.What about you?Am I upset that Bo is qb?No,im upset that J.D.is hurt,and will be glad to see him play again.I cant say enough about him.
Can you say the same thing?
I dont know nor do I care what peaple think or say about this.I am happy for my son because I know he will be a sucsess in whatever he does.
What makes you peaple think that
only a qb would be upset at this situation?It appears that there are a lot of peaple upset and I know they all cant play the same position.So think what you want,you are going to anyway.
I am not mad at anyone,just thought that if my oppinions were being said on here that I should be the one saying them.So carry on
with what I am doing and saying and crying about.Just call and let me know what it is.
OOOOOOO I think you just answered some of our questions sir.....you too spell PEOPLE like the other blogs....PEAPLE!! Thanks for that!!
At this point and time Richland is the only school zoned (and know this is not an issue being discussed just a comment I am making). As I stated before you can come South but you can't go North. Thank you for the apology. It taks a big person to apologize and I apologize for being so aggressive with my answer. I wish, for those that want it to be ineligible, that I could say the young man in question is not eligible, but by the TSSAA he is. But let's give credit where credit is due; I don't think the parents would have risk the son being ineligible as well as the school. They did their research before they made their move. The football season is almost over and GCHS is doing great, so just enjoy. Bev
Thanks Mrs. Murrey...I thought I was right...only Richland was zoned.
I had nieces and nephews in school during the time Richland was zoned and it was due to overcrowding. Homes were being built so children could attend and Giles County students were transferring to Richland also.
Exactly!
Mr. Barrett,
Welcome back I missed you posting.
Is the empty wing at the high school or the elementary school? I was unaware there was an empty wing.
As I said above, I had nieces and nephews in Richland when it opened and there were the same problems at Richland as you state at GCHS now, but remember the elementary, junior and high school was housed in one building at that time.
Are you referring to minorities as by race or the economic status?
RACE, everyone knows that.
There are many white students at Richland that are below the level of poverty and that was the reason for my question.
AMEN to the above!!! All this is now starting to sound like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's gone from election results, to eligibility in sports, to school zoning (which has now been perfected by wab I see)to race. Of course, what else should we expect from these PEAPLE - and yes I too know that it's misspelled and should be PEOPLE - not all of us are as careless as to use this spelling in multiple entries on this blog and then claim that we've never written about PEAPLE on here - (what a load from Norman Newton on that one!). Wab can't get enough support by the majority of the citizens/voters in this county to be given any authority, so he uses this blog and his few loyal followers to keep us all entertained - what a riot! Okay wab, now you can come back and bash me if you'd like and change the topic to something else that has no relevance. At least maybe this way we can move on to some other topic, as I'm growing tired of all of these...
Be careful there anonymous. You may be getting dangerously close to being labeled a pinhead or one lacking in knowledge. Yes, it is such a laugh that these "peaple" rally behind him when he is rude and obnoxious toward those who would disagree with him. And he really did start the name-calling thing. That is exactly why people like me kept "bashing" him as somebody said. It wasn't bashing at all! The whole thing reminds me of an old cartoon called "Little Toot."
Finally, power can be a very dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong people. Perhaps the voters saw that.
Just let it go as the poster above you said about the other peaple are growing tired of hearing about either of those topics.
I have heard rumor that Judge Damron is asking for a secretary's position. Is this true? If so will it be public knowledge such as will everyone know about it to be able to send in a resume?
I should of noed Mr Barret didn't just up an leave. That man can stur up more trouble than a kid whuppin a hornets nest with a stick. It aint no wonder that bill b and anonamous don't want to talk about what kinds of folks an how many are a goin to da high schools. Sum folks think if you dont do no talkin about a thing then you dont have no problem.
One time this here judge had about eight women in his court cause they was a makin a big fuss an sumbody called da police. That judge ask what was a goin on and all them women started to a talkin at da same time. aint nobody were able to understand nuthin they wus a saying. That judge wus so smart he acted jus like he was Soloman. He hit that little hammer on da desk an said he wanted some order. Then he said he was a gonna listen to each one a startin with da oldest. You no them women stood rite there an nobody said a word.
What in the world does that have to do with the fact that the judge wants to hire a secretary? I want to send in my resume if it is true. So, now will someone with an answer please respond?
The Budget Committee voted today to fund a secretary for Damron, they also voted to fund a part-time deputy for Pierre Billard. Both jobs are already filled.
Who has filled the secretary position for the Judge? How did they know it was avaiable?
I am not fussing in the above post. I just hate I missed it.
Was the job advertised? It should have been in order to give anyone interested or qualified the opportunity. Does anyone know who filled the position?
I have no idea but I would love to know. I check the paper weekly and the position has not been posted.
If the position has been advertised but, remains vacant, then I think you could contact Judge Damron's office and request information with regards to applying. If the vacancy has been filled, then someone needs to explain how that could have been done without adequately notifying the public of such vacancy,thus giving the public the equal opportunity to apply.
Well suppose Judge Damron already has someone he would like to work in his office. What is wrong with that? Anybody would hope for the same situation. It has nothing to do necessarily with nepotism or favoritism, but rather an employer's desire to hire someone he/she feels would be satisfactory. Right?
Except its against the law.
So.....would you favor an affirmative action employee that you didn't want to begin with? I doubt it, law or no law! Judge Damron ought to be able to hire whoever he deems fit for the job.
Does anyone know who this person is that he has in mind? Did he say during the commissioners meeting?
Anonymous said...
So.....would you favor an affirmative action employee that you didn't want to begin with? I doubt it, law or no law! Judge Damron ought to be able to hire whoever he deems fit for the job.
Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:53:44 PM
That is not the way government is suppose to work a private company is different but public jobs have to be advertised before someone is hired IT IS THE LAW!
I am pretty sure that I understood it that he has already hired someone but I do not know who.
I hope he has. Why wouldn't Judge Damron hire who he wants, since that person would be working closely with him. You can flood his office with resumes, and he will hire who he chooses. Get over it!
I know who Judge Damron hired, her name is April Dickey. She has been to school and has a degree. Sounds good to me. But this is Giles County as we know NO ONE WOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH!
Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:57:54 PM,
Your comment was uncalled for. As far as I can tell no one was saying anything about the person that was hired. Because they didn’t know who or if anyone was hired. I think people have a right to want to submit their application, what do you see wrong with that? Let’s lighten up on the sarcastic remarks please.
They have that "right", but....if the judge knows who he is going to hire, isn't it wasted effort?
As you can see…the people that were posting on this subject had no clue the job was available, needed, accepting applications or had been publicly announced. It seems to me they were only trying to get information that would maybe aid them in applying for the position.
You are absolutely correct in stating Judge Damron could hire whom ever he thought best for the position and I feel certain he did just that. I don’t know the lady that was hired and I am retired and not interested in any job, period. But, those in the public that do need a job have every right to want to apply, don’t you agree?
I understand what you are saying. However, if he has already decided on who will fill the position then one is only waisting their time in sending in their resume. Is it fair? That is a matter of opinion. If he chooses not to post the position then obviously he is not considering anyone else. It is also not illegal for him to hire someone without posting it. I would like to hear from the commissioners on the subject. So, if any commissioners read the blog will you please answer these questions? Is there even going to be a position available? If so, has he filled the position? Or is all of this a rumor? If the position is real, how do you all intend to vote? Thank you. Look forward to hearing from as many of you as possible.
What day in Nov. is the Commissioners meeting and time?
Next Commissioner meeting is 9AM November 20th.
Do I understand it correctly that Judge Damron should receive a host of applications and then hire the one he already wants? If he already has the one he wants, please explain to me what purpose it would serve, other than to give unwanted applicants more practice in typing resumes and completing applications. Just trying to understand. And it is a law that he look at applicants he has no intention of hiring?
It's called fair labor act and it's the law, you never know he may see someone else's application that was more qualified. Yes it would be considered nepotism if noone else were considered and if he knew this person beforehand. You would think with him being a Judge he would be willing to follow the letter of the law.
What would you do were you the one doing the hiring and already had someone you WANTED to work for you? Oh, let's be fair here..hire some minority (not picking on minorities here) because you want to support affirmative action. I'm sure that's what you would do, given the opportunity. Laughable.
It is amazing how the anonymous above is willing to critize anyone and everyone not by producing any facts to support his position but by claiming the writer has an arrogant attitude, yet he claims to know the very thoughts of those he is so critical of. I have found no one on this blog who shows more arrogance more consistantly than this anonymous. Your claims are great but your accomplishments are severly lacking.
Before all the fuss...Can someone prove that there is even a position? It looks like none of the commissioners are speaking of it.
What claims...what accomplishments?Those of your persuasion ALWAYS call people like me arrogant when we challenge your statements. But at least you didn't call me a pinhead. Right, Sally?
What in the world is going on here?
Okay, now does anyone know for fact if there is a position going to be posted or not? I need a different job dern it.
I am trying to network here!
I think your group should demand a full investigation of both Judge Damron and Crystal Greene. My hypothesis is that you will find both to be human just like you! You people never quit. Don't you have anything else to do with your lives?
But who will they start in on when they are finished "exposing" and causing trouble for these people?
Why do you jump on people who just want to know the truth. Our constitution gives us the right to know what is going on in our government-We have the right to ask these kind of questions. We also have the right to point something out if we feel it is wrong. If they are suppose to post open positions and it is not being done then they are not doing their job correctly and they should be called on it. Whats the problem with people trying to make sure our county officals follow the letter of the law? They work for us!!!!!!
I called Greene's office today. They confirmed that if the 20th goes well then Judge will have a position approved and filled. They also stated that it is not illegal for him to do it that way. The position does not have to be posted. The position is already filled. They did not disclose whom they thought has filled to position, but I tried to find out.
Did you ask Ms. Greene if she had hired an additional employee in her office? Did you ask her if it was posted?
Judge Damron should be allowed to have working for him a person he feels best for the environment. What on earth is wrong with that?
Well Judge Damron did not get the position after all. Sorry.
Judge Damron has his plate full just concentrating on his sobriety from what I hear. I guess the Law Enforcement officers have more pressing matters these days other than escorting our JUDGE home from the Elks Lodge and the American Legion.
His hiring of a Secretary also came with a request from the Board of Commissioners for an additional $10,000 to be added to his budget. I guess the Secretary possition would have been nice for HIS NIECE, Ms. Dickey.
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