Now Many Lawsuits Are There Against The County???
On page 56 of the Giles County Audit For 2008 this paragraph is listed.
"D. CONTINGENT LIABILITIES: The county is involved in several pending lawsuits. The county attorney has not responded to our request to provide estimates of the potential claims not covered by insurance. However, management believes that any claims resulting from such ligation would not materially affect the county's financial statement."
Several questions come to mind as a result of this statement by the state auditor;
1) How many lawsuits presently are there against the county?
2) Why hasn't the county attorney responded to the request made by the auditors?
3) Who specifically in county management has determined that unsettled lawsuits not covered by insurance will not materially affect county finances?
4) Why haven't the County Commissioners been made aware of this situation?
Allen Barrett
"D. CONTINGENT LIABILITIES: The county is involved in several pending lawsuits. The county attorney has not responded to our request to provide estimates of the potential claims not covered by insurance. However, management believes that any claims resulting from such ligation would not materially affect the county's financial statement."
Several questions come to mind as a result of this statement by the state auditor;
1) How many lawsuits presently are there against the county?
2) Why hasn't the county attorney responded to the request made by the auditors?
3) Who specifically in county management has determined that unsettled lawsuits not covered by insurance will not materially affect county finances?
4) Why haven't the County Commissioners been made aware of this situation?
Allen Barrett
posted by Allen Barrett | 4:33 PM
87 Comments:
wouldn't just one loss be hard on the budget? How many are there that may cost the county money?
Shouldn't it concern everyone that pays taxes in this county that there are any lawsuits at all?? I would like to know what lawsuits are pending and who working for our county has put us in a possible liable situation. It seems to me that with a wave of lawsuits, some employees could be putting their jobs on the line if these lawsuits have any merit. I for one would like to see some accountability for such negligent behavior when our county loses a lawsuit. Especially, if the same office or elected offical is the negligent party. I just think numerous lawsuits should raise concern with citizens.
I don't understand why there are lawsuits against the county an the county attorney won't respond to the auditers about them. There is no legal reason why she couldn't respond.
Surely the commissioners will demand an answer from the county attorney. If they can't answer the question - that speaks volumes.
Perhaps the commissioners know that you guys are the ones who will be doing the demanding.
618 ????????? What's your point? Your absolute hate for citizens, public funds accountability, and having a free government that serves the public, is astounding.
You're bitter cause your feathers been plucked & your bare rear end is showing. We can't tell one end from the other & you don't know if you're commin or going! We know you by what you do & the respect you show the people who feed you. You may still think you're a peacock, but you're just a fowl pea with no feathers left to cover up "the real you".
I agree. He struts the square thinking his feathers are beautiful. But feathers are gone. Mouth still works.
Such foolish parodies.
Commissioners have a responsibility to KNOW what the lawsuits are, and dont forget our county executive who also knows but aint telling. Maybe she is the cause of some of the lawsuits.
So you think the county executive needs to tell YOU and certain other whiners EVERYTHING just because you guys are taxpayers? Think with me on this. Exactly who started all this smearing of Mrs. Vanzant? He should be totally ashamed of himself and you should be too for going along with it. And I am not in any way related to the victim.
I really don 't think you are related. I think you are her.
7:04
Let me ask you again. Exactly who started all this smear campaign against Mrs. Vanzant?
No, last time I checked, I'm still a man. You continue to have gender confusion issues.
OK, the person who started the smear campaign against Mrs. Vanzant was none other than Mrs. Vanzant. She is the one who has operated outside the law; lies at every opportunity and continues to snub her nose at the citizens of Giles County while spending county money faster than citizens can pay their taxes. She is the smear campaign.
thumbs up 7:16! you nailed it!!!
7:16
Wrong answer! Do you recall the "hook, line, and sinker" concept mentioned just recently on one of these very very positive and loving threads? I think what we have here is a case of the kettle calling the pot black.
No, you are wrong about Mrs. Vanzant being the villain, and I would ask you once again to tell me what I already know. Exactly who started the smear campaign against Mrs. Vanzant and certain others deemed to be undesirable? You don't have to be a part of this hate-mongering.
7:16 I guess you are remembering that Mrs Vanzant did exactly the same thing 4 years ago and blamed it on others. Games, games, games she plays.
8:18
That's your opinion. I just don't have the same view. Would you care to share your ideas on exactly where all this smearing of Mrs. Vanzant started?
6:40 you have gulped down the "Hook,line and sinker along with the rod and reel" if you think Vanzant ain't the villain in her life.
From the time when she was looting toilet tissue from the senior citizens to her lies about being a single mother raising a handicapped child whose only income was from being county mayor and needing to be be reelected to provide for him. She has lived in Lincoln County the entire time she has been County Mayor and during that time the only thing that has grown has been county government.
She is the villain and no one is more responsible for her soiled reputation than she is.
2:36
You're entitled to your opinion and to your vote. If you don't care for Mrs. Vanzant, then vote for someone else. My vote will remain with her. Why is that? Because I do NOT believe she is the villain she is characterized as being by those who have in fact swallowed the hate-mongering, hook, line, and sinker. Apparently, you are one of them.
Well, well, well, so disagreeing with what an elected official does with our tax money is now considered hate mongering, hm? I guess that makes me guilty of a hate crime as well being considered a terrorist and being on a terrorist watch list by the federal government. 2:36, as you said, we are entitled to our opinion, as are you, but because we disagree with what is happening does not mean that we hate her. I have actually met Ms. Vanzant, and found her to be a very likeable and caring person. I just happen to disagree with her politics. And by the way, I did vote for her this last time, so I have a right to complain. Just because I disagree with someones politics does not mean I have to dislike them. My wife and I are so diametrically opposed politically it is hard to believe we can see eye to eye on anything, but we do, and we love each other dearly. What you claim as hate mongering is nothing more than good political debate. However, since you will disagree with everything I have just said, then I guess it doesn't matter. Why should it matter who started the debate, you are going argue, whine, gripe, and disagree with everything that anyone says anyway. You have neither the abilty nor desire to listen to anything anyone says that is even one iota outside the dim and narrow view have maintained for yourself, and you expect those who actually have the desire to think outside the box to change to suit you. I don't want or expect you to change, but I do expect the same that you do, a little respect for all of us and let us have our own opinions. I love to fish, but I have not done anything hook, line and sinker. Please give everyone the chance to have their own point of view.
By the way, we do have the right to know how many lawsuits are against the county. that should be public record. So when does knowing what the public should know, and being allowed access to public records, considered hate mongering. If our county executive is not following the rules then she should be held accountable.
deadman...
No, hate-mongering is the attempt to destroy people just because you and a certain little group of malcontents have decided (hook, line, and sinker) that you don't like them for some reason. You misunderstand a simple point. Those like me who point out the character assassinations, name-calling, and such are the ones who are called hate-mongerers by people like you.
Please tell me WHO has ever said or even suggested that taxpayers have no right to public records. You nver heard that from me! How follish of you to even suggest such a thing.
You ask that I please allow everyone the chance to have his or her own point of view. Are you serious? That is the same plea I've had for a long time. We all should be able to share our opinions without some wise guy calling us ignorant, apathetic, enablers of evil, and etc. I for one happen to respect that right. And I don't consider it griping and whining when I point out something mean-spirited that someone has said about another individual.
5:42 You again refer to a "certain little group of malcontents". Who are you referring to pray tell? I guess you will come back with "ask around the town square, anyone can tell you". I did that previously but no one could give a name. Guess you are the only one in the know so how about sharing.
Just ask around town. Everybody knows who they are.
5:42
Why are we considered malcontents for trying to find out the truth of what is happening in Giles County? I have already said that I know alot of these people, and I like most of them, and tolerate the rest. I am not looking for people to hate, I just want to know where my tax money goes, as does everyone else on this blog. If you cannot see thru the rose colored haze you are living in, then you my friend have issues that cannot be dealt with on this blog. I can get you the number of someone who can get you back to reality. You may need to get some rest though. Please, just look, listen and learn. We all need to keep track of our government, that is our job in society. We elected them, we can not elect them also.
deadman...
My definition of a malcontent is one who runs around town with hair on fire calling people names and accusing them of dishonesty and criminal activity. Such a person is arrogant to the core and totally unwilling to accept opinions that differ from his own. He or she is ALWAYS right and never apologizes, even when made aware of misbehavior. And the true malcontent finds something wrong with practically every facet of local government. They arrogantly call elected officials ignorant, stupid, illiterate, corrupt, etc. The attacks on certain individuals are unrelenting.
I've not seen anybody on this "free speech" blog say or even suggest that it is not a taxpayer's right to question how the money is spent. But I just don't think that gives certain individuals the right to try to character assassinate those they resent or dislike for whatever reason. And when one follows along and becomes a part of that, he or she HAS in fact swallowed hook, line, and sinker. Are we not better than that - smarter than that? Think.
As always, I cogitate thoroughly the words I use, and I also ruminate on all opinions expressed. I also research, and use that information to extrapolate a cogent thought process prior to rendering my words public knowledge.
Nahhh, that was a load of hooie, I usually just shoot form the hip. However, I do try to get the facts straight before i run my mouth. I also ask a lot of questions. Like why must you be so down about everything? And yes, I really am smarter than that.
deadman...
You research and then extrapolate? Your cogent thought processes are impressive. I can tell that you surely think yourself smarter than others. Obvioulsy, you are quite familiar with your dictionary and thesaurus.
Why must I be down on everything? Excuse me, but I could ask you guys that same question. In fact, I've been asking that question for quite some time now. Will an answer be forthcoming?
Say, is there anyone in local elected government who has YOUR stamp of approval? Or do you think most are corrupt and evil, ignorant and apathetic, or enablers of wrong (hook, line, and sinker syndrome)? I suppose we need those like you in charge of things and then we will have utopia. But that's never going to happen, is it?
If everyone would ignore her, she wouldn't have anyone to argue with. She is always determined to have the last word, even if she has to twist every word around to suit what she says she is hearing.
Last time I went to the bathroom I was not a her. Want to see? It is not hard to hear what I am hearing. Go drink coffee anywhere. Wally world, gas station. Me thinks you may be the one needing a hearing aid.
Why do we have to have these cat fights?
Why not say I disagree and tell why, then but out. Or say I agree and why, then but out.
But if we did that the blog would have nothing on it.
It's never gonna happen because those people can't get enough votes to get elected to anything. Believe me, they will try though. As I've seen posted here previously, it must be frustrating to have all the answers and nobody wants to hear them.
Ever wonder if she knows which end to look at when she goes to the bathroom?
Forgive your enemies; it messes up their heads.
0628
Get over yourself. If you read both posts you would see the sarcasm I laid on myself. Yes there are several people who have MY stamp of approval. And as far as me being in charge, I think not. I more of a power behind the throne kinda person.
deadman...
You are so comical. Get over myself? What an irony.
That's what I've been trying to tell the arrogant and conceited for quite awhile now.
You say there are some who have YOUR stamp of approval. I'm sure there are, but the problem is that they have no power because they can't get elected. And woe be unto those in elected positions who do not meet with YOUR approval.
And one of the law suits against the county is William Allen Barrett. Talk about costing the county money. He is talking out both sides of his mouth!
Once again you err because you cannot remember your previous posts. You asked "Say, is there anyone in local elected government who has YOUR stamp of approval?" and I replied "Yes there are several people who have MY stamp of approval." The people who have MY stamp of approval have already been elected. Sorry.
I rest my case. Enjoy your day neighbor.
Yes, Mr Barratt has a lawsuit against the county and I can't be more happy that he does. The cost of that lawsuit is zero for the county if they would only admit to the wrongs done in creating the zoning fiasco. If the county loses those who have brought this suit led by Mr Barratt are not seeking any compensation.
This particular lawsuit could be settled in a matter of minutes if the county commission would resend the land management act or simply allow the people of the county to vote on the matter.
In this matter Mr Barratt is doing the people of Giles County a great service in standing up for individual property rights.
What property rights specifically under the land use mgmt plan are you thinking are being infringed upon? I am just curious to know.
deadman...
No, you will never rest your case as long as you have someone you think you can talk down to. Oopa. did I just use a preposition at the end of that sentence?
As near as I can tell, there are no property rights being infringed upon. They were in the past, but that's not likely to happen now that people have the rights they should have had a long time ago. It amazes me that wab would oppose such things people not being able to prevent rock quarries and other unwanted business from moving in on them unannounced and uninvited.
I agree..3:48. Why is it that the anti bunch want to see it different??
I sometimes think these people just want to oppose things for the sake of getting noticed. I have wondered about this ever since they started whining about property rights. The ones who should be whining about that are those who have to put up with the rock quarries.
How can anyone say that a lawsuit would not cost the county anything. Have you heard of lawyers cost, court cost and etc? It sounds like a little boy throwing a tantrum. If he gets his toy he will quit crying! The commission was elected by the majority. They have the right to vote how they think, not how Barrett thinks. Everyone is entilted to have an opinion but if we sue every time we disagree it would be a sad world.
Look back over the years how many time the county has been sued.
6:43
Amen! I agree with everything you said. The Commission has the right to vite and that is how our system works, regardless of what a small group of complainers think. You said what I've basically been trying to tell these people for several months now. Excellent post!
Excuse the typo. I meant they have the right to vote and not vite.
All those commissioners can be replaced if they go against their constituency, remember that. We have a bunch of boneheads on there now, with the exception of a few. I get the feeling from what word is on the street is that many of the commissioners will not be re-elected. Out with the old and in with the new. Too many citizens voicing their opinions about the fact that their commissioners are not doing a good job. They are tired of the same old, same old. Also, Janet V. will not have an easy race either if she chooses to run. Many of those tight with her in past elections are ready for her to go. But, from what I am hearing, it is her on doing. Will be nice if we get some new folks representing our county, preferably some young persons. We need progress in this county and we won't get it with the likes of Dan Speer and Janet V. I guess time will tell..all our voices will be heard at the polls.
446
I wonder if you guys will have the same problem again though...not enough voices. Indeed, time will tell.
To 5:57-You guys?? That is how you address me?? What exactly does that mean? You and I are in the same boat here,unless you are not citizen of this county. What problem did "We" have before??? I don't have the slightest clue who or what you are speaking of. Are you confused or something..??I am a stand alone citizen in this county and don't belong to a group and are capable to think on my own and outside the box. I don't know why or who you so arrogantly choose to relate me to but, I would appreciate it if you would take what I have said at face value, as my opinion representative of my experiences, knowledge and so forth. It is my concern over the direction our county is headed that I have developed the opinion I now have relative to our county leaders. You sure have proven that it didn't take long for a very narrow-minded person to respond. You have my sympathies.
8:05
Ok, so I associated your post with the usual "anti select elected officials" rhetoric on this blog. If you aren't a part of that, then I apologize, even though you refer to me as narrow-minded.
I too develop my opinions based on experiences and etc. It has been my experience that there is a small group of people here in Giles County who, for whatever reason, are determined to smear, belittle, and character assassinate those who have been deemed unfit or in some way not smart enough to hold public office. I call that arrogance. And I truly believe (my opinion) that this hatred, mistrust, and division can be laid at the feet of an unhappy and politically impotent individual who SHOULD know how to behave. For lack of a better terminology, I call it "hook, line, and sinker syndrome". But a little bird told me that there are many people around here who are beginning to recover from it.
How would you like me to address you in the future?
7:00 a.m. There is not a "group" in Giles county and Mr Barrett does not have a "group" or following as he has previously pointed out. In your deceitful way, YOU are trying to tar people with the wrong brush. You need to cut it out then apologize.
No, it is true and I'll not apologize. They may not be officially organized but we both know there is a group who find fault with anybody they don't like. I'm sorry, but most people know this and I'm surprised you don't.
9:29 How can you have a "group" if they are not officially organized? Or, are you always referring to the Giles Co Patriots group?
4:31
You can have all kinds of groups without their having to be formally organized. You know that.
Patriots Group? Are you referring to the maybe as many as ten people who are on this blog constantly griping and pointing fingers at someone? Did you mean those who are continually calling names, making accusations, and doing their level best to bring shame on selected individuals (victimes)? Could this be the ones who think they have all the answers? If so, then I am not the patriot I thought I was.
Is it not a bit ridiculous to consider a few folks "a group" if, for a variety of reasons,they are not happy with the schools director, or perhaps other folks questioning the lack of insurance bidding in the county, others people may not like Speer being both city mayor and economic director, even others opposed to how Barry Hyatt handled the Julie Phillips retention at the highway dept., etc.... They are not a "group" unless they are organized and hold meetings.
Giles County Patriots are a group that I believe are lead by a woman in Ardmore. Recently held a local meeting in Pulaski which was open to the public. Why didnt you attend then you could have observed what constitutes "a group".
4:26
Did you attend this group meeting? I don't need to attend a meeting to know what a group is.
How about three or four ladies who are on a shopping trip to the mall? Is that a group, according to your definition?
How about a group of poems? Is that not a group? Or would it not be a group unless they were organized alphabetically or in some other manner.
Are we splitting hair yet?
Your previous references to "a group" on this blog have been in association with a political group. I dont believe you can deny that or even name the folks you so consistently refer to.
And yes, I did but didnt see you there. Maybe next time?
9:02
Don't hold your breath, ok?
As for your splitting hair with me over what the definition of "group" is, I don't know what else to say? I gave you very simple examples of things that can be considered groups. As the deadman says, I rest my case.
Good idea. Hope you had a good day at work.
To the thing that has trouble letting go of the idea there is a group following the WAB and doing his bidding. The truth is it's an international family of murderously insane cult members that dress in pinstrips from India, Panama hats with purple hatbands, shoes from Korea, and drive little tiny used Vega's with electric batteries. They follow him and they are going to chop you up into little cubes and serve you in a Chinese buffet.
Now there is as much evidence for what I just described as there is for what you keep describing as WAB's group. At any level to believe either renders you stupid.
I read back over this thread and do not see where anybody accused Barret of having a following.
8:43 Maybe not, but it has been continual over the past on other threads.
Now that 5:17 has "rested their case" perhaps we will see the end of that statement and especially since Mr. Barrett has stated frequently that he does not lead any "groups".
Ok, OK if there is a group that follows Barrett then just name them if not then just shut your pie hole.
The same dumb guy or gal keeps making the same tired claim, the group, the group, the group so name the group. Anyway what's wrong with having a group are you jealous or something.
The County Attorney needs to answer these questions, one.
Two, either take action on the facts or resign.
Seem strange that there has been about four different County Attorneys since Mrs. Vanzant has been in Office!
Must be something in the water.
12:32
My, but you type fast! This is the third thread you have been on within a five minute span. Your keyboarding skills are impressive, but your spewing of hatred and defamatory remarks are disgusting.
Look, if you have the goods on Mrs. Vanzant, why don't you stop with all this mess and turn your evidence over to the proper authorities? As it is now, you and a small group of others on here look like a bunch of spoiled brats who are crying because they didn't get their way. Must be something in the water.
12:32
No, it's Hook, Line, and Sinker Syndrome. I forgot. But the cure lies within yourself.
I fear that ulcers and even more serious mental problems await you if you don't do something now.
Who didn't get their way 7:35? You seem to know so much...enlighten us why don't you??
Hey 7:38 So you're a board certified psychiatrist who has received permission from the APA to create new categories of psychiatric diagnosis, I'm impressed.... of course you have that in writing?
One thing that is clear is your expertise in hate, after years of practice you seem to have it down pat.
greasy...
As I have said, my credentials are NONE of your business. I don't need APA's permission to coin "Hook, Line, and Sinker Syndrome, and I am not trying to introduce the malady into the current DSM-IV. Besides it's a locally infectious condition brought on by one's failure to think for self.
Sure your credentials are my business. If you are going to diagnose me and suggest a treatment plan for that diagnosis I certainly should know what your qualifications are. When I go to a doctor for the first time I ask them what are their qualifications, where they went to school and were they were trained. You may be satisfied having an unknown person poke and prod you from all directions without knowing anything about them but not me. There is a difference in a doctor trained in a third world country where a proctologist still uses a garden hose and flashlight and one trained in a legitimate modern medical environment.
greasy...
What insights you share! I am highly impressed. When you get around to seeking mental health services, please don't forget to ask the clinician those questions. He or she will see your arrogance right away and will most likely draw a fast conclusion that you are in fact a kook!
greasy...
What insights you share! I am highly impressed. When you get around to seeking mental health services, please don't forget to ask the clinician those questions. He or she will see your arrogance right away and will most likely draw a fast conclusion that you are in fact a kook!
So you don't ask your doctors where they went to school and had their training.... that explains why your head is still in the dark place it's been most of your life. If you got a qualified surgeon like the ones who separated conjoined twins they could extract your head with about seven hours of surgery. Of course that would mean you have to wear dark glasses until you can get used to the light of day.
greasy...
Your life must be so dull and boring if all you have time for is to get on this blog and try to play gotcha with me. Get some help, ok?
Hey, dumbo. Did it occur to you that if all I have to do is answer your stupid posts that you might not have much else to do either. I multi-task, I read with one eye and watch Fox news with the other, write with one hand scratch with the other and type with my toes while changing diapers on twins. I tell you to see me work is absolutely amazing.
greasy...
You are so multi-talented. Did it not occur to you that if it were not for my posts you would have nobody to call names and play gotcha with?
Yes, I am amazed for sure.
Oh, you're so thoughtful. I have the obama and a whole bunch of idiot politicians to take up your slack.
But thanks for thinking of me anyway.
greasy...
I get the impression that you are a Republican. If that be the case, I just might go independent. At what point in your life did you decide that you were smarter than everyone else? Amazing.
Being a republican is not as bad right now as being an Obama supporter. Besides, dems are running for the hills. You can't find anyone that will admit they voted for him. So to say you may become independent is funny to say the least because they aren't supporting Obama either...
12:27
Ok, you didn't call me a nasty name on this thread. That's commendable.
In case you don't know, an independent is nither Democrat or Republican. I was making the point that if I had to affiliate myself with a bunch of arrogant people who think they know it all, then it's time for me to leave the GOP that I love.
I for one was proud to vote for Obama and I ain't running for the hills!
9:54 sorry but you're wrong once again. I am, have been and probably always will be a conservative independent in every area. Guess that leaves you out of the Conservative Tea Party movement. Of course they're always looking for more sheep in the socialist party bet you'd fit in there just perfect. Oh have you ever seen a politician that wasn't arrogant to some degree.... with out some arrogance they would never think they should be elected to rule over others.
I never decided that I was smarter than everyone else only that I try and not be as dumb as some.
greasy...
Wrong again my arrogant nemesis. I hate socialism, so don't bother going there. I said that I would never associate with people who think they know it all, regardless of party affiliation. I can't stomach the democrat party, so I suppose I'll just be an at-large conservative. How's that?
You never decided that, because it appears that you always knew you were smarter than others.
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