A CONSULTANT OR A WASTE OF MONEY???
At the Financial Management Committee Meeting held on 5 November 2008 two significant things took place. First Commissioner Campbell was elected as chairman. What's significant about that is Commissioner Campbell was one of the people who most strongly opposed adoption of the Financial Management Act. The Committee now is made up of mostly people who opposed it's adoption. By law the County Executive, Highway Supervisor and Schools Director are members. Provisions are made for four additional appointees none are required to be county commissioners. The appointments include Commissioner Wilburn as chairman of the Budget Committee, Commissioners Reedy, Campbell and Brown. To say the cards are stacked against any serious oversight is a huge understatement.
The second thing that happened in the meeting was that after having been presented with a full explanation of the actual cost of insurance for the county and the desire to explore bidding out the insurance Mrs Vanzant stated that CTAS had recommended a consultant be hired to look at the insurance situation. After some discussion where several commissioners present stated there was no need for a high priced consultant to do what had already been done and that this was only an exploratory action to see how much money could be saved. A very quick vote was taken with Commissioners Brown, and Reedy along with members Jackson, Vanzant and Hyatt voting to hire a consultant. Commissioner Campbell passed as the last vote cast. Commissioner Wilburn voted no to hiring a consultant.
After this vote the meeting was very quickly adjourned and members walked out as the audience was trying to ask questions about the cost of a consultant and the delaying actions that had been taken by the committee. Allen Barrett
The second thing that happened in the meeting was that after having been presented with a full explanation of the actual cost of insurance for the county and the desire to explore bidding out the insurance Mrs Vanzant stated that CTAS had recommended a consultant be hired to look at the insurance situation. After some discussion where several commissioners present stated there was no need for a high priced consultant to do what had already been done and that this was only an exploratory action to see how much money could be saved. A very quick vote was taken with Commissioners Brown, and Reedy along with members Jackson, Vanzant and Hyatt voting to hire a consultant. Commissioner Campbell passed as the last vote cast. Commissioner Wilburn voted no to hiring a consultant.
After this vote the meeting was very quickly adjourned and members walked out as the audience was trying to ask questions about the cost of a consultant and the delaying actions that had been taken by the committee. Allen Barrett
posted by Allen Barrett | 4:54 PM
73 Comments:
A huge understatement? Something sinister, indeed! This needs to be investigated.
I couldn't agree more!Thank you for speaking up!
The "audience" was Barrett. Do you not see anything wrong with insurance agents doing a study even if they don't sell that kind of insurance? An agent can get a commission on another company getting the policies even if they do not work for those companies. I do not see what is wrong with someone who has absolutely no ties to this county or insurance companies doing a study.
Who would know more about insurance that someone who is in the insurance business. If you have a house fire you don't call a veterinarian to assess the damage.
Do you really think that an agent for Allstate is going to get a commission on what a State Farm agent sells? Surely you are not that naive?
I would normally agree with you about using a person with "absolutely no ties to the county" doing the study but the proposal is to have someone from CTAS (County Technical Assistance Service) serve as this "outside" consultant. CTAS works for the counties and those who lead them, they are paid with our tax money written by our County Financial Officer, and if you think they are not biased you obviously have not looked at their record. Ask any Commissioner if they feel CTAS is an unbiased agency.
No the truth of the matter is it was a delaying tactic hoping to reach the deadline for March renewal without time to get bids thus automatically renewing the policies with the same agent.
Check the post about the state audit to see what the state said about the way our county is handling our insurance. Allen Barrett
It is time for Campbell to G-O! Period.
Hmmmm. Jackson and Brown from the Board of Ed. Reckon how those cards will stack?
When will folks wake up?
WAB, Shouldn't you state that this is your opion only that this is a delaying tactic ? You only asume this is a delay tactic. Right?
No, it's not just my opinion but the consensus of commissioners present at the meeting. Allen Barrett
One thing sure about maggots - they are always on top of decaying meat - as is the first post on this thread & repeats following it!
CTAS is about as bad as it gets - a union of government bureaucrats, protecting themselves from the citizens paid for by taxing citizens! I'm sure they have a consultant ready to hold a hand out for cash to "investigate" the need for "competetive bidding".
The issue is real simple & Mr. Wilburn & Mr. Barrett seem to have an answer that costs nothing & saves the county $$$,$$$!
Thinking people find out what other people are doing. Someone else ALWAYS knowS more than dumb butts who haven't had an original idea in the past 200 years. We need to talk to other counties. That's been done by some local people, not CTAS!
Think about it - CTAS is everywhere & sees everything, but apparently knows nothing and can't even see themselves telling us that neighboring counties are not wasting big money we toss to the wind! UNBELIEVABLE!
GET A LIST OF REAL & VAlID COMPANIES AND BID IT OUT!!!!!!!
Get some people to write articles in the paper - name the neanderthals who can't think beyond writing more & bigger checks!
I agree 100% that the liability insurance, property and vehicle insurance should be bid out, but... I still think an outside source should be used. I can assure you that the local folks can get a cut by asking certain people to do a bid. They will make money off of it. I do not believe that Wilburn is trying to make money but others are.
wab...
Have you never heard of the term "split commission"? That means that two agents from two different companies CAN in fact share the commission on a sale. Surely, you are not that misinformed?
I'll tell you and Mr. Wilburn this much. Putting group health insurance out for bids is particularly risky, because an entity cannot necessarily come back to its former plan without penalty once they have gone from the figurative frying pan into the fire. There's the little problem of proving insurability. Loretta Garner's idea about the $35.00 is the smartest suggestion I've heard yet. Why don't you survey some of those who will eventually be affected by a rate disaster when it hits after the first year? I think you might find a "consensus" (doesn't mean 100%)of those people would favor leaving it alone.
Ok, I'll try just once more. A split commission can not exist unless there is an agreement between the two entities.
For a moment try to understand that just because you let out bids does not mean you have to accept any of those bid. It does not cost any money to let out bids. Health insurance benefits are not, NOT, NOT, NOT even being considered for any changes. Everything that has been discussed involves exactly the same coverage that is now available.
Causality and liability on buildings, vehicles, workman's comp. are being explored. State law requires that any contract be competitively bid, that's one reason the county was given a deficiency in the state audit. Allen Barrett
wab...
Your attempt at condescension is noted. I know how split commissions work, so I don't need an insurance lesson. But thanks for "trying one more time" to explain it.
Look, even if there were no changes in the policy benefits, that doesn't mean the rates on a new plan would not double after the first year in force. And, as I tried to explain, you can't just automatically go back to the old plan. Why don't you ask someone experienced in group health insurance?
For a moment, try to understand? You see, that arrogant attitude is the problem I have with you. If an individual disagrees with you, that's your approach. You need to "try for a moment to understand" that there are other people in this world just as smart...and surely smarter...than you seem to think you are. Ok? And when you decide you can talk to people in the right manner, I promise to stop pointing it out when you don't.
Why should anyone ask about health insurance if it is not about health insurance? Mr. Barrett has said it is not health insurance that is being talked about. Why is it that you can not seem to understand?
To 5:14/8:38 you write, "wab...
Have you never heard of the term "split commission"? That means that two agents from two different companies CAN in fact share the commission on a sale. Surely, you are not that misinformed?", and you talk to me about "condescension"? Obviously you may know what condescension may be but you're not able to recognize it when it drips from your own brain.
I had no condescension toward you only frustration at your unwillingness to understand such a simple word as "NOT". What is wrong with you that you can not understand what "NOT" means. The discussion is NOT about health care it is about other kinds of insurance that the county carries causality and liability on buildings, vehicles, workman's comp. etc.
It's not about arrogance when someone keeps telling you it's not about health insurance and you just keep whining on and on about health insurance it becomes stupidity after awhile.
I have no problem with there being smarter people than me most of what little I do know is a result of learning from people who are smarter than me. Would you expect a person to seek a dropout from kindergarten to teach college level science and have a waiting list of students to take his class, of course not, well you might. Most learning comes from others who are smarter.
Why would anyone trust your promises when your credibility level is twenty points below a dead slug?
This is my last statement to you on this matter, if you haven't grasp the reality that health insurance is not part of the discussion by now there is no hope you will later.
Allen Barrett
So, Where do we go from here?
wab...
Ok, of course you're right, and I'm wrong again. Maybe it's because you and I don't use the same dictionary. Could that be?
It matters not to me whether health insurance IS being discussed on this particular thread. The fact is, someone has been discussing it, and I have responded with my opinions just as you do. I think it would be a terrible thing to bid out group insurance.
I'm glad that you at least concede that there are others smarter than you are in this world...even in Giles County! Can you believe it?
WAB, you say that just because you let out bids you don't have to accept it. Then what do you do? I thought when you bid you had to take the lowest bid. I know I could be wrong because I am not the great WAB. I am being serious about the bidding. Don't you have to take the lowest bid when you let something out for bid. I would think, but I do not know, that you bid out and take the lowest bid unless there was something wrong with the bid, like the bid was not to specs. I thought that Wilburn, who is the commissioner not you, said that health insurance was not the main focus. That sound to me like it was not out of the question. I think what everyone is saying is that the health insurance policy is complicated.
To 6:34. I don't know the great WAB you speak of but as the plain ole WAB I ask you to consider this. If you need auto insurance and go to State Farm then Allstate, then Progressive, then to an independent agent and find a price range from $100.00 to $1,000.00 for the exact same insurance would you have to buy your insurance from the $100.00 provider? Not at this present time at least. Would it make sense to purchase the cheaper insurance for the exact same coverage, of course, it would to me. That is all that has been proposed, to simply find out specifically what is available for the exact same coverage that is now active for the county.
Now if the county let out bids and decided to purchase a product from the bidders they would be bound to accept the lowest bid received unless there were some extenuating circumstances.
Here is the part you seem to have a problem with, the county is not bound to accept any of the bids if they choose. The competitive bid process is simply a means by which you find out what someone is willing to do for a certain amount of payment.
Many times the county or city will seek bids on a project or item, they get those bids open them and find that none are acceptable, all the bids are rejected and so they do the whole thing over.
You make a snide remark about Commissioner Wilburn just as you did at me and neither are appreciated. I have in an effort to inform spoken about this issue, not for Commissioner Wilburn, he is highly capable of speaking for himself, or anyone else, for myself.
I understand health insurance is a complicated issue so are many of the other insurances that are in use. At no time, that I am aware of, has there been any discussion about changing the health insurance for the county employees, the school employees or the cat that walks through my yard each night. The only thing I am aware of is that a proposal was made to explore/examine the cost of coverage in the same exact levels/benefits now carried that
are not presently bid out or in the state pool. This is not about health insurance!
State law requires that all contracts with a monetary value of over $10,000.00 must be competitively bid. Allen Barrett
Ya'll need to be reading the Financial Management Act 1981 as it pertains to bids and the acceptance of same. One queation I feel needs to be asked is Why has Loretta Garner NOT been putting services out for bid? Seems to me she is not doing her job and earning the $70,000 plus she is paid by the county.
You are dead on 9:06 and appear to have much better comprehension skills than most posting on this blog. As far as 6:34 stated about accepting the lowest bid, you have made it abundantly clear you don't read our local paper and certainly do not know how the bid process works. If you ever pick up our local paper and seek out the invitation to bid put out by the county, you would read that they are allowed to accept or refuse any bid. You are wrong that once bids are put out and received the county has to accept one of the bids. If they choose to accept any of the bids then they are supposed to accept the lowest bid. So, no you are wrong, wrong, wrong on that one. I am not WAB telling you that so you don't have to get on your high horse and jump down WAB's throat. Jump on me...I am the one saying it now. Ask around to anyone who knows how the bid process works. Bidding out group insurance is not a BAD thing..oooohh soo scary to some. Some that don't understand and who have been coerced to see things in a negative light. And, why? Where is the basis for the fear? Someone is striking fear in the minds of county employees and hoping that will put a stop to bidding out any insurance. Hmmm..I wonder who that could be?? So much that has been posted on this topic is untrue speculation by people who know nothing about insurance or are working to discredit Mr. Wilburn in order to keep the right thing from being done. Many important duties of our so called Finance Director, Loretta Garner has been carefully overlooked, blatantly screwed up, ignorantly tackled. If you read the audit report you would know that the Finance Dir. was less than honest when she announced the findings to the public. What makes a person in her position so haphazard in following through with her responsibilities. I guess she is getting her orders from someone,perhaps our county exec. Is that the reason that proper protocol is not being followed? Is our county executive doing favors for Mr. Alsup by bargaining with our tax dollars? Suspicions are rising on this very idea in my opinion and others. It is to Alsup's advantage to not have any insurance bid out. It is to his advantage to make it sound like bidding this insurance out is a bad thing for the county to do. If all of you so called concerned citizens posting on here negatively would take a step back and do some research, get educated on this subject, you would learn how ignorantly you have been informed.
wab
If there's been no discusssion on changing the county health insurance(as far as you are aware), then why did Mrs. Garner propose that each covered employee pay an additional $35.00 in order to keep the present plan?
4:49 I would be very careful if I were you. The accusations (suggestions) you are making are quite serious. Can you prove them?
To everyone questioning the bid process. I have only two words "SCHOOL BUSES"!
This is 6:34. You are right I do not read the local paper. I cannot afford it and when I have read it I have not seen anything worth paying for. As far as the audit, I have not seen it. I would like to see it myself that is why I asked Barrett where he saw it. If Garner said one thing and Barrett said another, one of them is mistaken. I did not say lying. I looked on the state website and saw the 08 audit. That is not this years. This year would be 09 I believe. I never said I knew anything about bids, I made that very plain. I just don't think that we should take one persons word for it without knowing where the facts came from. Apparently you think Garner is not telling the truth. We need proof about that before you say that. I am not taking either word without seeing it in writing. Not what the paper has posted or what Barrett has posted. As Mr. Barrett would say "SHOW ME THE PROOF."
It sounds like WAB & Wilburn got the pig by the tail & it's squeeling. Next step is barbeque!
Recommendations are part of any acquisition - WAB & Wilburn seem have stepped up that path, something the 200 year old pilgrims haven't learned to do, yet. If county A is happy with their insurance coverage & county B is paying $750, $7500, $75000, or $750,000 more for the same thing, it's time to engage the brain & save money! Insurance companies have a long history to compare and evaluate. Bids are easy to get. References from their current customers are easy to get & so are their prices! You don't need to spend money to stop stupid tax! If the co ex wants to stand in the way, run over her!
It's like a bunch of dogs chasing a car. If you stopped & let them in, they wouldn't know what to do! Just keep on a trucking, they'll learn how to get out of the way or get run over.
Maybe they want you to throw them a bone??
Thanks WAB & Wendell for what you're doing!
Here is the link to the latest audit http://www.comptroller1.state.tn.us/RA_CA/CountyAudits.asp?C=028 it will take you to the page that list audits from 2005; 2006; 2007 qnd the latest one 2008.
I appreciate 5:28 asking to see the proof before making up their mind I only wish more people would do the same thing. The audit is not for a calendar year but for a fiscal year thus the reason it's referred to as the 2008 audit. I know it's confusing sometimes, but the government is intentionally very confusing at times.
The reason "Mrs. Garner propose that each covered employee pay an additional $35.00 in order to keep the present plan?" was because the price for that plan is going up in January and the county just don't have the money to pay the full amount of the increase. Allen Barrett
My suggestion to you 5:28 is get out and find the proof like some have. Get well versed in things before spouting off. It is amazing how blind and in denial you and a few others are. Like you have to be led by the hand like a little child. You should take all strides possible to be informed. You are right in the sense you don't know about bids. Because you don't. Don't blame me for the paper. But to say you don't like the paper and therefore don't purchase it is a whiney baby attitude. Makes no difference what you whine about the bids and your opinion is based on bullcrap if you don't read the bid wording in the paper. You have really made an ass of yourself by saying you don't read the paper and not seeing bids and then choosing to wage a battle on this subject. You really are a dummy if you want to argue your point now. If you need 75 cents for the next issue of the paper, I am sure I can dig it out of my spare change jar for you and you can educate yourself.
4:58 as for you....bring it on whoever wants to challenge me. I doubt they have the balls to do so. This is a grown up blog so don't say you are offended by my language. You should be offended by the racket and underhanded crap that is going on in this little town of ours. It does exist, just not sure if you choose to not see it or if you choose to cover it up. Either way, I don't need your advice...perhaps the ones who should watch it are the ones robbing blind the taxpaying citizens of this county.
Why don't you ask Garner the question about the $35.00? That is if you can find her on the job or willing to fit you in her schedule. Can't say you will get an honest answer from her. Don't know yet if she is a liar or just plain stupid. Probably a little of both.
The way some of you people act, how can you expect new business and industry to locate here? Some of you are constantly putting down elected officials and others whom you know nothing about.
The persons who should put their behavior in check are the elected officials. It is the elected officials that locating business and industry make contact with first. Not the everyday citizen. Maybe that is why you see no one relocating to your community. Try and get someone to do business in this town and they laugh and say they don't want to deal with a bunch of backward, good ole boy folks. It is no secret we are the laughing stock when it comes to the politics around here. Many surrounding counties talk about what a joke SOME of our elected officials are. You have to remember cities and counties have conferences and that is where everyone meets. Like I said, when I mention I am from Giles County, I am embarrassed when they tell me they have tried to do business here and have found our elected officials to be a joke. They love our lovely town and people but find most people in positions of power to be backward and ignorant. Now that is something to be proud of. Our track record speaks for itself.
8:22
Yes, I am very much offended by your vulgar mouth and wab SHOULD be just as offended and have no part in it. I would say condoning or participating in something like that is not becoming of ANYONE who professes Christianity. That's also what the Bible teaches about being partakers in such.
to 3:03
You people just never stop, do you? You are unrelenting in trying to belittle or ruin the reputations of select individuals in office. Why? Let me guess. You either want those jobs for yourselves or for the know-it-alls who are constantly involved in the character assassinations. Hey, but you guys tried that last election and not a single one gained office. Why? Let me guess. People do not like the arrogance they see in your candidates. That's exactly why they will NEVER be elected to any public office. By the way, I am proud to be from Giles County in spite of the fact that surrounding counties are laughing at us because of all this bickering. Why don't you simply move somewhere else if you are so ashamed. I'm ashamed of people like you, and I've told others when they ask me about what goes on here. you.
8:22 perhaps I don't buy the paper because I spend my money more carefully. I do my work at home so I use the internet. My 75 cents is spent feeding my family. Do you really think that spending 75 cents for a daily paper that is that thin is a bargain. I used to get the paper when we had 2 issues a week but I am not spending the same money to get news that is a week old when I get it. I'll listen to free radio or read the news online. I do not understand the 2008 audit when the 2009 year is over. The auditors wait until 2009 is over to start on 2008 books? That makes no sense. I'l wait until I see the audit in writing to make my judgements as to who really knows. It really does not sound like Garner and Barrett are talking about the same fruit. I think we are comparing apples and oranges. I did go online and I saw the audit mentioned but I still don't think it is the current audit. I will admit the possibility to being wrong.
The person who wont spend 75 cents on the local paper cant be aware that Ms Garner previously stated the audit wrote up only 2 findings and were related to the ambulance service. One thing she specified was actually the responsibility of her office. However now we see the audit results on line the findings are in her dept and not the ambulance service. Dont come back and blast the newspaper report. They can only publish facts and cant fabricat news.
As for the bid process, if you will go on line and thoroughly read about bidding under the financial management act of 1981 you will find the lowest bid MUST be accepted unless there is a problem with the bid. (Such as the bidder is a county employee which puts them in conflict according to state law. Here again, our county exec and followers are breaking the law in this area in an attempt to accomodate their friends and keep things just as they have been handled in the past. Only way to get clean government is to vote many of these folks out of office next year.
If WAB wasn't telling of the underhanded practices in the county & city they would do as they have done in the past. We need to stand behind Mr. Barrett & help stamp out crime. As far as CTAS, they will uphold wrong doing instead of inforcing the law. MTAS had done it for years for rhe Spear. He tells them what to do.
To 6:38
A fiscal year, or financial year, or sometimes even called a budget year is a period used for calculating annual financial statements. A fiscal year can have varying start and end periods. Giles County uses 1 July to 30 June as the fiscal year.
So the last completed fiscal year for Giles County started on 1 July 2008 and ended on 30 June 2009. The 2009 fiscal year started on 1 July 2009 and will end on 30 June 2010.
I hope this helps explain the situation a bit better. Since you have the internet you can contact the State Comptroller's office and have them repeat what I have just written.
You stated, "I'l wait until I see the audit in writing to make my judgements as to who really knows."
After you read the audit I would appreciate if you would post your findings and identify who was correct in identifying the deficiencies listed in that audit.
Allen Barrett
To address the first 6:38 post. You stated, "you people just never stop do you"? I ask you, what people do you speak of? As a concerned citizen which, should be representative of all people in this county then you must be talking about all concerned citizens. I don't know who you think I am or what cause I support that is unjust or unethical just because I have had experiences and knowledge of how some of our county officials conduct business and do their jobs. The reputations of others is not my job to protect. It is the ones in question that have a personal obligation to uphold their own reputation. If they make unethical or bad financial decisions for our county it is my job and every citizen of this county to take a stand and demand accountability. If you think otherwise, I question your motives for defending these idiots. What causes you to be so shallow minded? Typical drivel from those with your mindset to ask those of us who disagree with you to move. I suppose it would make it easier for you and your kind to conduct business as usual. Turn a blind eye and ignore the truth. Typical again of someone unwilling to accept black and white proof. Put the truth in front of your eyes and immediately your pea brain goes to searching for the next excuse for those who continue to do wrong in this county. Those that have taken an oath to do right by the people that elected them. Your post speaks volumes about you as a person. You don't have a shred of integrity. You sit back waiting for everyone to bring proof to you, while you sit on your lazy backside and judge our actions. I know it is hard for you to wrap you tiny pea brain around this concept but, some folks seek out the truth and when they find that things are not as they seem, they do not let their friendships and kinships interfere with doing the right thing. I imagine you would like there to be no investigation into making our elected officials explain bad decisions or any decision at all. It keeps the heat off and keeps business as usual. The problem with you is your applecart is being upset. You can spew in every post your concern for the reputations of others but, what it all boils down to is the heat is getting turned up and what was once, may not be anymore.
Mr Barrett why do you bother trying to explain something to someone who has no desire to know the truth. The person had a copy of the audit but because it didn't fit with what they thought they just dismissed it as old and outdated, that takes a lot of stupidity to say you don't know something them proceed to tell everyone that even though you don't know a thing you know it can't be right.
6:38, You should know that you can't argue with the 10 or less people (including myself) that read this blog.
You can do whatever you want to 3:52. Arguing with factual data makes you look stupid. The choice is yours.
I am not 3:52 but my argument is that the 08 audit is not the one that was mentioned by Garner. The auditors just finished and audit in the last couple of months. It may not be the major audit that is done but they don't audit 08 books after the 09 year closes. 09 closed on June 30th.
The audit was done but not released for public consumption until November 2009 however the deficiencies were known by the financial director at the time they were noted. She was given an opportunity to respond and have that response a part of the published audit. The Financial Director is also the one who released information supposedly from the audit that identified two minor deficiencies with the Ambulance Service as the only deficiencies. Allen Barrett
Yes Mr WAB. Confirmed in the recent newspaper report of same.
1st.Let Mrs. Garner report what the lowest paid employee of the county is paid.
2nd.Then see what %(percent) of their pay that $35.00 is!.
3rd.Then let everyone (Mrs. Garner, Mrs.Vanzant on down) to pay that same %(percent) of their salary for insurance.
I bet they will have another suggestion after that. The reason I say they I know who has planted that information into her head.
Vanzant, Garner, and the whole Financial Office needs to be replaced.
12:28
Should the custodian also be fired or replaced? Evereyone is a crook who doesn't meet with your approval, right?
If you don't stop with all this hatred and spewing you are going to get an ulcer. It already appears that the Hook, Line, and Sinker Syndrome is effecting your nerves. Don't be in denial about this. Start thinking for yourself.
Hey 7:27 it's time to rewind your brain and see if it can possibly work. Because a person hates the idea of being robbed don't mean they are "spewing" or that they are filled with hatred. Your hook, line and sinker comment is getting old truth of the matter is you are suffering from a sever backlash and you now have a huge birds nest in yur head.
greasy...
No, it's a bonafide syndrome brought about by allowing someone else to tell you who you should dislike and hate. And YES, it is spewing...a typical symptom of the disorder.
So are you a board certified psychiatrist who has received permission from the APA to create new categories of psychiatric diagnosis, I'm impressed.... of course you have that in writing?
One thing that is clear is your expertise in hate, after years of practice you seem to have it down pat.
greasy...
No, Hook, Line, and Sinker Syndrome is a disorder peculiar to Giles County. It spread from a very infected and highly contagious individual who seems so full of resentment toward select others in the community. You won't find it in the mental health manuals.
My credentials happent to be none of your business. I don't ask you questions of that nature, so I'd appreciate a little common courtesy from you in return.
Don't even talk to be about hatred. I hate nobody. However, I do have some expertise in pointing it out on this blog.
603 - hook line & sinker? - you swallowed the line & sinker, sank the the bottom, deep in the muck, & are praying for someone to grab your hook & pull you out.
Read the posting on the other line - don't like reality do you! Why not explain some of your handy work?
10:30
So you are an apologist for greasy's rudeness? Could you tell me specifically what "handy work" you are referring to? I really don't have a clue. And I know you will make hay out of that statement, won't you?
Hey 3:59 I don't need no apologist for my rudeness, even though 10:30 shows great creativity and intelligence, two traits you are very unfamiliar with. I worked hard to be this rude however I'll apologize for my rudeness when you apologize for your stupidity. No apology then I guess i'll continue being arrogant and rude while you continue to be stupid.
greasy...
Yes, but your rudeness and lack of class are driven by hatred, because you have fallen hook, line, and sinker for the idea that certain select officials (victims) in public office should be scorned, humiliated, and run out of town on a rail just because an angry and politically impotent individual has gotten you to think that way. Remember, the disorder is a local and infectious syndrome that only YOU can cure. And, if you don't, it's going to eventually make you crazier than you are now. Think about it.
Forget about the apology you owe me. Haughtiness and pride are a big part of the syndrome, and those traits would prevent you from doing so anyway. And sadly, I'm fairly certain that you will continue being arrogant and rude (your words).
Hey 5:53 my rudeness and lack of class has nothing to do with hatred, that's just one more of your many wrong thinking conclusions. I never said anyone "should be run out of town on a rail", a bicycle would be just fine. The thing that separates you and me is reality. When someone is taking my money I expect a certain amount of honesty and integrity from them whether it's one of my employees or a government official. You are of the opinion that since they got elected they should be able to loot the treasury for four years then be voted out. To bring it a bit closer to home if you hired someone to cut your grass then while doing that job they ran a mower into your car nine times, cut down all your pretty flowers and knocked down your deck would you fire the person before they finished cutting the grass? They would be gone after the second time they drove into my car thus I would avoid any additional damage.
Why would I owe you an apology certainly not for calling you a name after you called me "crazy". Pride is what causes some of us to strive for greater accomplishments, I know you would have none of that.
Hey, when you cut your grass be sure not to blow the grass onto the street because you'll have to pay a jenkin's grass blowing fine !
greasy...
I really think the HLS Syndrome has driven you crazy. Unless you start thinking for yourself, the hatred will drive you nuts.
You keep telling me that reality is what separates you and me. You accuse me of putting words into your mouth and then you proceed to say that I would sanction an elected official who would loot the treasury. What a laugh.
You really need to seek professional help. You have all the symptoms: gradiose delusions of grandeur, incredible arrogance, inflated ego, and etc. I wonder if you caught it from the host carrier of the disorder?
greasy...
I really think the HLS Syndrome has driven you crazy. Unless you start thinking for yourself, the hatred will drive you nuts.
You keep telling me that reality is what separates you and me. You accuse me of putting words into your mouth and then you proceed to say that I would sanction an elected official who would loot the treasury. What a laugh.
You really need to seek professional help. You have all the symptoms: gradiose delusions of grandeur, incredible arrogance, inflated ego, and etc. I wonder if you caught it from the host carrier of the disorder?
To quote Waylon, being crazy has kept me from going insane. Too bad you haven't been crazy, just look how much hospitalization and misery you could have avoided.
One only has to read your writings to know I haven't said you "sanction an elected official who would loot the treasury"... you're the one who was on here bragging about supporting Vanzant. The only disorder I have is a little irritable bowel syndrome when I read some of the things you write. Why would you think, you think what a misnomer ha, ha, that I would need to seek professional help if by your diagnosis I'm already as grandiose, arrogant and egotistical as I can get? Seems to me there's no room for improvement after reaching such lofty heights.
greasy...
Yes, you did imply that I would sanction one who would "loot the treasurey". Go back and read your OWN post. Then seek professional help.
greasy...
Excuse me; I meant treasury.
Excuse me 5:29 I have to take Greasygravy's side on this one. Greasy didn't say you supported "one who would loot the treasury, you're the one who claimed to support Vanzant. Now if you are saying that "an official who would loot the treasury and Vanzant and one and the same I think you and Greasy are in agreement.
8:49
Please go back and read greasy's December 01 post at 9:37. He (or she) said, "You are of the opinion that since they got elected they should be able to loot the treasury for four years and then be voted out". That's the quote and accusation. Did I miss something there? I am of no such opinion.
You Dumbo have said on many occasions that when I person has been elected the only thing the people should do is vote them out next time if they don't do a good job or turn over evidence to the DA about their wrongdoing then butt out.
To me that is saying "let them loot the treasury through stupidity for the term of their office. If that isn't so I expect to see you start writing about the wasteful things being done by county officials and appointed individuals. Wonder why you didn't say anything about the issue you raised by identifying Vanzant as the wasteful official?
greasy...
There you go again calling names, because someone (me in this case) has an opposing view.
YES, I've said on many occasions that corrupt county officials should be turned over to the proper authorities or be voted out at election time. I have not waivered a bit on that.
Keep on wondering pal. My vote and all the influence I can muster stays with Mrs. Vanzant. Have a nice day!
Once again, 8:41, you prove your support for dishonest lying politicians. Not all unethical activities are criminal so not all wrong activities can be turned over to legal authorities for prosecution. By your thinking Eliot Spitzer should still be governor of New York, Larry Craig should still be in the House of Represenatives, Bill Clinton should never have been impeached, Sen. Dodds sweetheart deal with Countrywide shouldn't be investigated, global warming shouldn't be questioned and all ethics committees should be disbanded. WHAT A DUNCE! Time to wake up and smell the bacon frying.
greasy...
Wrong again my arrogant friend. Just because I don't see eye-to-eye with you means I'm an enabler of wrong? That's somewhat like your stupid assertion that I would favor allowing an elected official to "loot the treasury" and then be voted out at some point in the future. Absurd!
Look, you support whomever you wish, and I will definitely do the same. The problem you have with me is that I WILL support Mrs. Vanzant and not one of those enlightened individuals who can't get elected to begin with.
Don't worry; I'm wide awake and not the dunce you call me. You need to calm down before HLSS gets the better of you.
I'm not Greasy 9:48 but, you have proven what a real idiot you are. Basically what you have said is you will support your candidate no matter what enlightenment you may have about your candidate. I think that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard!! I may throw my support behind a certain candidate but, let find out they are not being good stewards of the taxpayers money or are running their office unethically and they will lose my support. I think you are just plain brain dead!
12:24
LOOK, you support whomever you wish and be advised that I will do the same. I believe you and I both have that right.
The problem you and greasy have with me is that I do not share your views. Therefore, I'm an idiot? Wrong!
As I said, my support is with Mrs. Vanzant. She is NOT the crook a small band of malcontents say she is. Get over it. You may vote for anyone you choose.
You are right 6:09 you have the right to support anyone you choose. What you fail to understand is that most people can give a reasonable explanation as to why they support one person over another. During the presidential election it was utterly amazing how many people blindly stated they would vote for obama for no other reason than that he was black.
You can add me to the list with 12:24 and greasy as ones having a problem with you but it has nothing to do with "not sharing my views" it's that you declare your views without any support and that makes you look as dumb as someone who supported obama because he was black.
howard...
Look, don't be so arrogant as to try to define for me what I don't understand. You have your opinions, and I have mine. Oh, trust me; I understand a lot more than you think I do.
Actually, my views are none of your business. I support candidates of my choice just like you do. And I don't have to explain my reasoning to someone who would criticize me anyhow. So forget about it.
As I said, my support and my vote are with Mrs. Vanzant. Why? Again, it's none of your business. But I will go so far as to say that I do not see her as the crook a very vocal and small minority do.
Asking personal questions would also make one look dumb, don't you think?
You're looking pretty dumb 5:46 and you are doing it all by yourself. Pretty bad that you can't see past the nose on your face. Some of us have had personal experiences that we have based out opinion on as to why we don't choose to support one candidate or another. You would be wise to listen, rather than talk. You might learn something and therefore have the opportunity to change your mind in order to not look like a complete idiot.
10:09
As I SAID, you vote for whomever you wish, and I will definitely be doing the same. I would be wise to listen to you (us)? Are you kidding me? You can't be serious. And I'm an idiot if I don't? Unbelievable!
Uh, can you see any arrogance in that?
It's like a person sitting in their house watching TV when someone comes by knocks on the door and tells them their house is on fire. The home owner then decides whether to believe the one sounding the alarm or not. If there is no smoke or any signs of a fire the homeowner would be cautious
about believing such an alarm. On the other hand if the man tells you your house is on fire then shows you the flames coming from your roof only a fool would ignore the warning. You are an idiot 6:10 not because you simply ignore the warning but because you ignore the overwhelming evidence.
greasy...
I see you haven't forgotten how to call people names. Look, just ebcause someone sees things differently than YOU do doesn't make him or her an idiot. Get over yourself and try really hard to treat others with the respect they deserve as human beings!
And you have the nerve to call someone an idiot? Ridiculous.
Why would I forget how to call someone a name I don't have Alzheimer yet. You may be right though I was wrong to call you or anyone else an idiot because they ignore the facts in favor of fantasy. I should have side that kind of person is a moron.
I'm sure that's not the first time you've been called an idiot or moron it's just too clearly revealed in any conversation with you consisting of more that three words.
greasy...
Again, get over yourself. Your ego is incredible.
No, as a matter of fact, I was never called mean and nasty names until I started speaking out against those who do so on this blog. Isn't it shameful that adults have to be involved in name-calling just because they don't like what someone else has to say? Would you agree with me that it is unproductive?
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