County Legislative Meeting for 17 Jan 2012
After convening and honoring the Colts Cheer-leading Team for their National Championship the Legislative Body for the County began conducting other business of the county.
Acceptance of various reports and the appointment/reappointment of several officials they moved into the resolutions to be voted on.
Resolution 2012-1 Approval of surety bonds for county employees and officials. APPROVED -NO DISCUSSION
Resolution 2012-2 Authorizing Highway Department to do work for the Cities of Elkton, Adrdmore, Minor Hill, Lynnville and Pulaski. APPROVED - NO DISCUSSION
Resolution 2012-3 Approval of County Road List for 2012. - APPROVED -NO DISCUSSION
Resolution 2012-4 Named bridge on Hwy. 64 (3rd bridge East of SR 166) James A. Wells Memorial Bridge. APPROVED AFTER STATEMENT THAT IT WOULD BE AT NO COST TO THE COUNTY.
Resolution 2012- 5 Authorizing application for Fastrack Infrastructure Development Program to build a spur behind Richland Steel. APPROVED AFTER STATEMENT IT WOULD BE AT NO COST TO THE COUNTY.
Resolution 2012-6 To amend Rule XV of the Rules of Order of the Legislative Body. THIS WAS WITHDRAWN AT THE REQUEST OF THE SPONSOR COMMISSIONER FAULKNER.
No Unfinished Business was Presented.
New Business: The motion was presented by Commissioner Jackson to appropriate $25,000.00 to secure a price of $370,000 plus to purchase 93 acres at the Hwy. 64 and 65 interstate exit.
After much discussion, mostly opposed to the motion a vote was taken with only Commissioners Cary, Flacy, Jackson, Wilburn, Reedy, Woodard, and Harwell voting to spend the money. Commissioner Harwell's vote was withdrawn after it was pointed out that he could not legally vote of financial matters before the Commission.
The main objects expressed to refocusing attention on the new property was; (1) The lose of ninety thousand dollars already spent on the original property to be used for the waste water disposal project. (2) The fact the property does not have road frontage, Eighty acres could possibly be purchased later for roadfrontage. (3) Extreme cost to develop property it include but not limited to building an access road, building a bridge, a number of culverts, altering of wetlands, and massive fill. (4) Need to stay focused on current project get it finished and get development started at the site so new tax sources can be realized. (5) The county just don't have the money.
Main reasons expressed for pursuing new property was (1) Selling price for the 15 acres will not be known until after condemnation has been completed and price set by the judge, the price is expected to be known in February 2012; (2) The property will be more expensive later; (3) The county could make a lot of money after the wastewater treatment facility is built by selling the 93 acres to developers.
posted by Allen Barrett | 10:33 AM
224 Comments:
I think it would be well worth the money to buy the 93 acres. Especially if the county is looking at long-term goals. I had much rather own 78 more acres for $2k less per acre with the chance to sell it off to developers in the future. Seems like a no-brainer. Just like most other things, we have a bunch of commissioners that don't know anything about planning for the future. Kudos to those that voted to purchase the land.
The problem with the land in question is that it's land locked and would require the purchase of the 80 something acres between it and the hwy. A road would have to be built with a bridge at a cost in the neighborhood of four million dollars.
Also there is a creek running through the property and would require dealing with the EPA in order to fill in the wetlands. If you have ever had any dealings with the tree huggers you would know any alterations to a creek or wetlands can become very complicated and expensive quickly.
Let private developers buy and deal with the property, the county has not done well with real estate investments and this would be a crap shoot at best under county control. I fully agree with those who voted not to purchase this property.
Great, I guess a private citizen can just go buy it and let it make them a couple million dollars when everything gets going good down there. The developers will be more than happy to pay the bill for a road and a bridge. It wouldn't cost the county anything. All it takes is a couple big chain restaurants, another hotel and a The Pilot Truck Stop and that exit will be booming.
This is the perfect example of how Barrett is a hypocrite by saying the county is backwards but agrees with those that vote to hold up progress and growth.
3:06 Why don't you go buy it and get rich?
Who owns this land now?
I bet if WAB had said they should of bought the land you would of been against it.
4:50
Why don't you stop getting into conversations in which you have nothing to offer. If you have an opinion about purchasing the land, say so. If not, leave the space for someone that does.
I think that the county needs to purchase the land because it would be an investment for the future. Considering its location and the future plans for the exit, I don't see how it is a bad deal. Barrett never has and never will have anything to do with the reasoning behind my opinion.
5:22
And he never has and never will have anything to do with what goes on in our county government. Be thankful for that.
And where is the county supposed to come up with the money for this property? There are a lot of what ifs in your suggestion. What if a couple of restraunts and a Pilot truck stop don't want to move in there. What if the other 80 acres isn't for sale? What if the EPA puts the Kibosh on filling in the wetlands? It may appear to you to be a good deal, but it sounds iffy to me.
A Pilot station has already wanted to come down there. Environmental folks aren't that concerned with a small creek in Giles County. It is Giles County, the other 80 acres will be up for purchase. Some of the commissioners and businessmen and women have already looked into this. It is a good idea.
It could be a good idea, but where will the county get the money to buy it, hospital fund?
Does the person now owning the property own the 80 that might come up for sale?
I'm just wondering why land would be for sale with no road to it.
If you think the EPA ain't concerned about what's happening on a little ole piece of property in Giles County then ask the guy who almost lost his farm because he cut some trees too near the creek, ask why we're paying so much to send garbage to Murfureesboro instead of to Maxwell Hill, ask the people who have been caught taking sand and gravel out of creek beds, ask the folks in Columbia how their dam is coming.
Barrett is right too many if's and the question of where the money is coming from is really big. Throwing $90,000 away don't seem very smart to me. The county sure has a good record when it comes to investments in real estate, Hunter Smith sure made a lot of money for the county and just look at how much they made from selling the old hospital property, not the hospital but the full block where the old hospital used to be that was sold for about $4,000 dollars and man that developement at Campbellville is really paying off in tourist dollars.
So no discussion of Mrs. Garners blatant disrespect for the local rules. I guess the commissioners are scared to address the situation to make sure it does not happen again.
Was the hospital fund dipped into again?
10:21 YES.
ridiculous that our commission does not have control over a county employee.
they do have control, they just choose to not exercise their controls out of either fear of repercussions; or many of the commissioners are too ignorant to really know and understand what controls they have as elected officials. maybe all will be unseated in the upcoming election. a good flushing of local government is exactly what this county needs.
Why would anyone spend $90.000 on a piece of property they don't know the price of.That doesn't make ant sense to me.
12:04
Why don't you call a few of the commissioners and find out what is really going on instead of trying to stir up trouble? There are twenty-one of them, so don't say you can't get in touch with one of them.
Not trying to stir up trouble but that is $6,000 per acre already spent on the property and we don't know the asking price.something sounds fishey here.Anyone know what the money was spent on.Title search maybe $500,survey maybe$1,000,Hydrolic study maybe $5,000,What else???
How many citizens would like to take part in some property they own. Seven County Commissioners are controlling the Agri Park that the land belongs to the People of Giles County. When it is brought up again by commissioner a large crowd needs to let the commissioner know they want the agri park open year round for so many uses. It belongs to the people and Mrs. Flacy and her six followers raise hell about people wanting to use the facilities. VanZant took it upon herself to raise the price on using the facilities and the buildings belong to different organizations. Show up and speak out about the use of the agri park.
Translation. Show up and cause all the trouble you possibly can.
It's perfectly ok to let your commissioners know that you want the park opened up. We have that right. But showing up as a mob and making demands is not the way to bring about effective change. All that does is stir up trouble and alienate people.
It worked at the Boston tea party,It worked for MLK.This seems to be the only way to get the attention of the people in charge.Remember the old saying squeaky wheel gets the oil.
6:49
Yes, and jealousy and resentment eats one up inside.
Talk to your commissioners, then show up to show support and to see how your commissioner votes. Be quiet and nice at meeting. Then voting time to elect your or any commissioner, work to support them or work against them getting elected.
If you don't go to meetings you'll never know how your commissioner voted unless you read this blog.
9:00 am And you cant show up at meetings if you have a job since all meetings are held during the daytime. Especially planned that way so a limited number of folks can attend.
Well at least I understand that the proposed Home Rule Charter will require that all meetings (Commission, committee, work sessions, etc.)are to be held after 5:00 PM.
Well, I intend to campaign against the charter. It spells trouble. What happens when the state says OK, you're on your own down there now. Then what? Do you think taxpayers will vote for a tax increase to offset the loss of revenues? No. And who will bear the cost of holding such an election? We will.
People need to think long and hard about this. Once we get it, it's practically impossible to get out of it.
11:40 AM What loss of revenue? Are you saying from the state? That does not happen at all and you know i. That is something Tommy Campbell put out as soon as a Charter was being pursued. He was put straight on that issue immediately and it sounds as if you need to do some research before you start campaigning against a Charter otherwise you are going to look dumber than you do now.
Why don't you say who you are 12:58 I think some people might pay you a personal visit to explain why the Charter is a bad idea. I think you need to be taught a lesson. Especially when calling someone dumb.
11;40 once again shows the ignorance so often associated with those who fear coming out of the eighteenth century.
What, by any stretch of the imagination, would lead any sane person to think that the state would ever "say OK, you're on your own down there". A quick check of the records would show that more money is sent from here to the state than is sent from the state to here.
Just because a charter will give the people a greater say in our local government does not mean the state will have any less say.
This is the most outrageous claim I've heard made against the charter so far but I'm sure, based on those who are running the campaign opposing it, it will not be the last totally fabricated fantasy claimed before the election is over.
I would strongly urge everyone to read the charter for yourself and not allow anyone to sway you for or against without presenting hardcore facts to backup their claims.
to 1:11 in spite of your threatening tone and feeble attempt to intimidate
I have no problem identifying who I am and will be more than glad to speak with anyone who has an interest in understanding the charter better. I'm just as sure those on the Charter Commission would be willing to do the same.
The only power the Charter is going to give the citizens is to vote against a tax increase. There are no other area that give the citizens more power.
If the commissioners don't quit spending like Giles county is rich everyone needs to vote for the charter so we want have a tax raise.
3:05 Just gave a good reason to vote for the charter.
If you want to see Giles County get into real trouble, vote for a charter style government. There is a reason that only a handful of counties in Tn have a home rule charter. Some of them wish they didn't. People need to stop whining and join the current team rather than fighting everything they do.
wab
Well, read my 11:40 post again. What I said is exactly what I meant and what I intend to do. You can smart off and condescend all you want, but that's how it is. Just because someone doesn't agree with YOU does not mean that person is ignorant. Deal with that, ok? And if anyone needs to know about the charter, I would suggest that they call members of the former charter commission and not you.
3:36
The people would NEVER vote for a tax increase, and you know it. Even so, the county would have to call an election at a cost of several thousand dollars to allow citizens to do exactly what you and I both know they will do...vote it down. So it's not exactly a moot point, because, once again, the taxpayers will have to foot the bill for the election farce.
This is but a preview of the oncoming fight to defeat this thing.
If the current team was up and above board I don't think any one would have a problem going along with their actions, especially if there was any transparency. But this ideology of nepotism has got to go. Don't hire the best qualified for county jobs only those that fit with our personal tastes.
I'm sorry but I can not just go along with what I know to be wrong. And in Giles it is our government and those who enable their wrong doing.
11:40 & 2:52
You said the state would say:
"Your own on your own." WAB said the state would not do that.
Can you prove what you said?
4:09,
You are slapping the voters in the face by saying that we aren't capable of voting for the proper people to act as commissioners and County Executive. You are in a small minority. Very small minority. Deal with it or move to a county that makes you happy.
4:09
The only enablers I know of are those who insist on causing strife and trouble here in the county.
4:23
Can wab prove what he says?
5:00
Good post. These people are a very very small minority, but they can surely stir up a stink. And I believe they do their very best to do that as much as possible. Looks like they would simply move if they are so unhappy. I thought we were going to get rid of the worst one of them, but he's apparently not moving...at least for now.
Barrett
I think you are obfuscating again? LOL.
3:52 As I said, you need to educate yourself before getting vocal. There would be no special elections for the county to pay for, anything new to be voted on would be at the same time as the current elections. And since you know so much, why dont you tell us what it is the counties that have charter government dont like and wish they didnt have?
5:55 How about you moving if you don't like the trouble you think some are stirring up?
6:51
So would referendum elections be held at no charge? That's a laugh.
What do the other counties have that they wish they didn't have? Those are topics for a little later on.
Since we have forgotten about the 93 acres, what do you think about what Newt's second wife had to say about open marriage?
6:51
Those who favor a charter for Giles County need to remember that not everybody sees things as they do. And it's just wrong to call them names and to talk down to them because they don't.
To 9:44 from a MMC Student:
So would the referendum elections be held at no charge? The answer is a very simple YES.
They would be held at the same time that Giles County holds its General Elections. Therefore ther is no additional cost to list one more issue on the already existing ballot!
I do hope this answers your question.
Thank You,
A MMC Student
4:32 Good post, just put it both ways, don't talk down to the person that disagrees with you.
Everyone his a right to his/her opinion.
Let's all act like adults.
Stop name calling and dirty words.
mmc
You could be right that the referendum on a tax increase could be held whenever there is an election. If so, I would concede that I was mistaken about that. But are elections held every year? I don't think so. And if a tax increase is urgently needed, then what?
Whether I am right or wrong about when those elections would be held, I plan to do everything within my power to see the charter defeated. We DON'T need it, and I am very suspicious about the motives of the small group that's pushing it. That alone should concern all Giles County voters. These people are dangerous and, in my opinion, are trying everything they can to get a foothold in local government. Be aware to beware.
9:01 Dangerous in what way? And just who do you think is 'pushing' for a charter? Seems to be people will vote one way or the other in August, as is the democratic way.
Let's look at this from another angle - Just why are some so opposed to having a charter for Giles county, which surely benefits everyone? Please give some definitive reasons why we should not have a charter.
MMC Student to 9:01
Thank you for your honesty. I would like to hope that the County Commission would be able to plan ahead every two years. Also the Charter requires that all departments maintain a 3-year operating budget plan and a 5-year capital plan (unlike to day where there are no financial plans supporting budget requests).
Just one other interesting point of view; a bit more than 5,000 people voted in the 2010 General election and over 3,500 of them voted for a charter commissioner. That I find very interesting.
Hope your football team wins tomorrow.
MMC
Good to see those interesting statistics. Thanks.
Most of those 3500 didn't have a clue as to why they were voting for that person. They thought it was required. Kinda makes it not very interesting. Statistics aren't facts. There is a class at MMC that teaches that. Take it.
Are you now speaking for the 3500. On an earlier post someone, maybe you 5:47, got all bent out of shape when they thought a post was implying the voters of Giles County were too stupid to vote for the right people. Now the same voters are too stupid to know what they are voting for. Which one is it?
Seems like you may be on the side of the fence that is convenient at that time.
5:47 So now you are saying nearly 3500 people in Giles county are clueless when in fact they are very smart people. Might not toot their horns like you and your cohorts do but clueless they are not.
5:47 needs to learn the difference in speculation and fact. Does Martin have a class for that.
Just because 3500 prople voted for charter commissioners doesn't mean they will vote for the charter. Those like me who oppose it will do everything we can to see it defeated.
The main thing I see wrong with the charter is the group who is pushing it. That should concern much more than 3500 Giles County voters. This so-called charter is just part of their scheme. Be aware to beware; these people are dangerous.
Correct. Make people aware of who is behind it and the charter will not pass.
7:11 AM Who is this supposed 'group' that is pushing the charter? There was a small number of people who worked to gather signatures to get the process on the ballot in order for Charter commissioners to be elected. Prior to that election you were convinced and posted over and over that some amongst those folks would run as charter commissioners. None did. You were also convinced 'they' would push 'their' candidates to be elected as charter commissioners. 'They' didnt have any candidates to begin with. The charter commissioners were elected under their own steam.
Now its time for you to reveal who you think those people are who 'behind' the charter or shut up. Until you 'reveal' you are not at all convincing and appear to be grasping at straws because you are scared the 'clueless' voters in Giles county could vote for a Charter.
You have yet to post what it is the counties currently with a charter find a problem. We are still waiting.
Anything that has Barrett and Billard attached to it isn't going anywhere. Two of the biggest losers in Giles County. I have talked to many people that didn't know they weren't supposed to choose a charter commissioner. Thought they had no option. They are against the charter. The group did a bad job of explaining it to people. If they failed to accurately spread their message, how would they succeed in running the county?
You appear to be passing the buck, 9:26. Why didn't your little "anti" group (all 2 or 3) of them get the word out just how "bad" the charter is? You proved several posts ago that you have never even read the charter yet you are allowing two men you allegdly have no respect for decide how you should vote. That is pretty "anti-American". Matter of fact I believe it is against the law and you claim you would NEVER go along with wrong doing. HMMMMMMM
Deanna
9:24
Have patience. All will be revealed in due time.
Deanna,
My guess is that you are all in favor of the charter. It's too bad you seem so intolerant of those who are against it. Let's just wait and see how it all pans out a little closer to election time.
Oh, and I didn't post 9:26 although I am the one you guys so eagerlu accuse of enabling wrong. It's still a lie.
2:31
Always trying to make yourself out as a victim. What a joke you are. And I am sure you will accuse me of being Deanna or WAB, but in reality is just a person that reads this blog and your enabling posts.
As for me I was not completely for or against the charter but people like you are starting to sway me in the direction of the charter because I see we need it especially in light of the continuous dipping into the hospital fund, the inability of our commission to control employees that violate local rules concerning the handling of cash, and the commissions approving of a budget based on speculative income from a yet to be completed weigh station.
Since there are a few of those who attack the charter based on personal prejudices against those they feel are behind the charter as opposed to the content of the charter, maybe a post assigned solely to the content of the charter and how it would affect our government would be nice with a link to the Charter.
But there will still be those that would rather cut off their nose to spite their face.
3:16 Thank you. I believe some of the improvements you outlined, plus a few others, are what drove people to try for a county Charter.
3:16
Wrong. I never claimed to be a victim of anything. But I will say this. I don't want to see Giles County fall into the hands of those who, in my opinion, would victimize us all should they ever gain any power. That concerns me greatly. Why? It's because I love Giles County and am VERY suspicious about what a small group of unhappy people, most of whom did NOT even grow up here, want to do.
You may accuse me of being against out-of-towners moving here, but that would be a lie, so don't bother. I've always been a man who believed in God, who took care of his children, and who always tried to treat my fellow man the way I wanted to be treated.
No, the people who are pushing this thing are not being attacked, and it has nothing to do with personal prejudice. Forget about that. It is my opinion that these people are dangerous and that they have an agenda which involves gaining poswer that they cannot win via the normal election process. Why is that? I believe it's because they simply think they are smarter than the masses and that they, by virtue of that intellectual quality, should have almost a right and a responsiblilty to tell us what we should think and do. That duty would also entitle them to throw rocks at and attack any elected officials they either dislike or resent for whatever reason despite the fact that the people elected them in the first place. Forgive me, but I just find all this a bit unsettling.
As for your being swayed toward voting for the charter, that's your right. But I promise you that I will do my best to go out and get two to vote against it.
I honestly feel that passage of this charter will be much worse than cutting off one's nose to spite his face. I see it more in terms of cutting our heads off to satisfy a small band of unhappy people.
If this is truly a free speech blog, then please respect my opinions and views without accusing me of trying to hide or enable something wrong and without calling me nasty names. Thank you.
4:32 When will you respect others view? That's a two way street.
4:32
you respect no others opinion and now we must respect yours. I wrote 3:16 which you directed a response to and instead of addressing what I wrote you included your own opinions as to what I would write, even though you have no foundation to make your assumptions.
I and every one can read how you try to spin every post as a personal attack against you. From your posts you do try to spin it as though you are a victim.
I am from Giles County, born and raised, and like many others that were born in Giles County and live here are sick of what we see happening in our government, and with our money.
Maybe we do need new blood in our County government that will stand up for what is right instead of being bullied by insubordinate employees that do not follow rules.
4:32 You wrote "No, the people who are pushing this thing are not being attacked, and it has nothing to do with personal prejudice. Forget about that. It is my opinion that these people are dangerous and that they have an agenda which involves gaining poswer that they cannot win via the normal election process. Why is that? I believe it's because they simply think they are smarter than the masses and that they, by virtue of that intellectual quality, should have almost a right and a responsiblilty to tell us what we should think and do. That duty would also entitle them to throw rocks at and attack any elected officials they either dislike or resent for whatever reason despite the fact that the people elected them in the first place."
You also wrote that you oppose the charter because of Barrett and Billard being involved with it.
Now forgive me if I'm wrong but that seems to be a very strong attack and some extreme prejudice.
If it's not an attack and prejudiced driven I would certainly hate to have you defend me in anything.
5:59
I'm 4:32, and I stand by every word I said. Am I not entitled to my opinions about those who are in my opinion causing all this trouble in Giles County? Of course I have that right. And you are the one who wants to spin it that I am intolerant of opinions that are in opposition to mine.
You mentioned those in government who would bully others. I see that in a somewhat different light. I think it's a small group of troublemakers who try to bully those now in government who were elected by the people they serve? The voters put them there, and you don't seem to like it? Again, the voters put them there.
8:04
Were you directing your post to me? I never mentioned barrett and Billard as the ones who are principally behind this push for a charter. Those are your words, although I will concede that I believe barrett and his small band of followers are the ones behind it
Were you not the one who posted at 9:26? If not I should have been more clear if you are, you certainly sound like him, then you may want to read your statements again.
Nope. I did not make that post.
7:01 Then you would probably agree that deciding on an issue because of who supported it instead of its merits would be a very foolish way to make a decision about anything?
Billard and Barrett are fools.
I hope that's not CG calling names.
If it's not him, I bet he don't condem`10:29.
The person who continually posts on this blog who, amongst other things, not giving facts to back-up their statements and constantly arguing, is obviously not playing with a full deck of cards. The rest of us should leave them alone and not respond to their nonsense otherwise we are being cruel.
I heard over the weekend that the 93 acres on Exit 14 that approx. 8 commissioners voted to buy would have been purchased illegally if it had passed. This is just another reason why the majority of Commissioners do not need to listen to certain few commissioners that THINK they know everything but absolutely knows nothing. Were there some deals made that not too many people knew about? Where was the County Attorney on this move to buy this property. Did he/she not know that it was illegial to purchase this property? Anyone else hear this?
Quit being a gossip 12:23. You just got moved into the fool category. Posting crap like that is useless unless you have some info to back it up. As usual, you don't. You people really are pitiful.
12:26 so you put 12:23 in the fool category think that is calling names.
For 12:23 did you hear why it would of been illegal to purchase the 93 acres? That did seem strange.
10:29 Wonderful way you have of not calling people names but are able to condemn everyone else for calling names. You must be mighty proud of yourself being so humble and nonjudgmental.
Funny how you think there is only one person that posts on here that doesn't like Barrett or Billard. Jokes on you 3:44.
8:31
Wrong. I believe anything this group is in favor of needs very very close scrutiny.
11:25
No,; it wasn't me. I would condemn the idea of calling people fools. Nice try though.
12:23
According to this blog, I think you are gossiping.
Read the charter again. If the people hadn't wanted some guidelines and staunch rules then they wouldn't have voted to have a charter commission to start with. We Need that CHARTER.
Vote for the Charter.
12:02
I believe someone just recently explained why 3500 people voted for charter commissioners. They were on the ballot, and a lot of people thought they needed to vote for them and NOT necessarily because they felt we need a charter. In fact, I talk to a lot of people on a regular basis, and I find almost every one either against it or confused by the so-called "need" for it. No, we don't need a charter, and I will do my part to see it defeated.
http://www.mtas.tennessee.edu/KnowledgeBase.nsf/0/C9DD85972D740F6B8525702A004EBFCA?OpenDocument
This document gives a little more information about the charter. Only 13 cities have the charter. 3 have repealed their charter. 5 people asked said they would like to repeal it. There are more disadvantages on the list than advantages. I am NOT for the charter. There is no GREAT benefit for the citizens. The only reason this thing has been brought up is becasue a few people keep getting upset over not being elected. They can't get their way, so they want to try and force their way. I talked to several people over the last couple days that said they thought they had to vote for a charter commissioner. Leave Giles County if you don't like it. Property is just as cheap in surrounding counties and according to some of you, those counties are the only place to get a job.
7:16
Excellent post. Yours is the message we have to get out to Giles County voters. This little group of unhappy people know they can't get themselves or their candidates elected, so it seems obvious as to why they are pushing this thing. Our job is to educate as many people as we can about what they are trying to do. It's part of a clever scheme to get their foot in the door. And don't think for one minute that they are not having their planning sessions and meetings to promote not only a charter but their own candidates. Sadly, most of these folks call themselves Republicans, and that makes me sick. I no longer want to be identified with them. I already see what the likes of Bill Haslam and Jim Somerville are doing at the state level. The only difference between Haslam and Somerville and these local folks is that the latter have no political power. Let's do what we can to make sure they never do.
I am confident that we can defeat this thing, because I too have talked to a lot of different people who don't want it. In fact, I haven't encountered anyone outside the few on this blog who are in favor of it.
People are just naturally resistant to change, and the ones I talk to are very confused as to why a small group think we need it. When they find out who the main players are behind it, it quickly becomes a no-brainer.
Gosssiping.
There is always something on the ballott I never vote for.
When you don't know anything about it best not to vote one way or the other.
I agree that a charter form of government is not appropriate in Giles County because it gives County Commissioners the power to pass county wide ordinances. I can't see our county commission being adequately qualified to make ordinances for the good of all citizens as opposed to their personal prejudices. After all it has been proven time and time again that the U.S. Constitution is nothing more than a piece of toilet paper in Giles County.
Seldom have I read a more one sided, dishonest and purely political hit piece than what’s contained in the document mentioned.
The dishonesty comes primarily from the lack of full disclosure that the MTAS (Municipal Technical Advisory Service) is funded by taxpayers through the municipalities and like its sister organization CTAS (County Technical Advisory Services) does and says whatever the controlling organizations request of it. I have yet to see a report by the MTAS or CTAS that did not support whatever the legislative bodies of the county or city wanted.
Very little of what was written by Mr. Don Darden even applies to counties in the same way it does to cities and the cities in Giles County will be no more altered by the proposed Charter than by any changes made by the State Legislature by means of a private act.
The Charter is posted on http://www.pulaskicitizen.com/Charter for everyone to read. It’s been there for several months. Misinformation will be abundant in the next few months, even more so than in the past few months. A person should become armed with the truth in the face of this onslaught by those wishing to remain in the past. Commissioner Campbell made the statement and even posted a large sign in the Courthouse, in violation of anti-political signage, that the county has worked fine for the past two hundred years and don’t need any changes now. If you agree with that assessment then by all means vote against the Charter but if you are fed up with being governed via their inaccessible meetings, private dealings and their way or the highway then you will want to consider the Charter form of government for the county.
None of the cities mentioned in the article have had a request initiated by the citizens to revoke their Charter every request has been from the management. It’s interesting that the article states that most of the cities have not had a tax increase in more than twenty five years leading many to believe that their taxes have stayed the same. Hogwash, there is not a city in the state that has the same tax income they had twenty-five years ago and while their rates may be similar a simple consideration of the change in property assessments during that time is enough to blow your mind.
Mr. Darden subject as stated on the paper was “Home rule; Home rule--Laws and regulations; Charters--City; Charters--City—Tennessee”. His focus was clearly not on counties and his information as presented is as flawed as the unemployed numbers that come out of Washington D.C.
"Common Sense" appears not to have any at all! Needs to do a bunch of research. Its a good thing we dont know who CS really is otherwise we would be shocked at the lack of knowledge. (CS, do you by any chance have a sign making business)?
7:30 AM What candidates elected to what? Please explain.
Some good info has been posted and now the dogs come out to try and defend themselves. It is funny how that always happens. Thank you for posting the article Common Sense. I will not vote for the charter after reading the article.
Folks, we must stick together and defeat this charter. Just take a look at the ones who are pushing it. That should tell you a lot.
Join us in sending the charter down to defeat. The only ones who seem to want it are the usual troubloemakers who think we here are not capable of managing our own business.
I don't think anyone has to stick together. As long as people know that Barrett and Billard are proponents it will not pass. Go ask Scott Stewart what a blessing from Barrett will get you.
4:54
I tyhink you are right. They seem to be the best players on our team.
If the only reason you can come up with for voting against the charter is two people you say are supporting it you are a sad pitiful person to be so weak minded and thoughtless.
8:06
I agree with 4:54, but I think there are two or three more who are in on this. And those people alone are a very valid reason to vote against the charter.
10:11 You named Barrett and Billard now let us hear who the other two or three are.
(Before you post as you have before telling me to get some sleep I happen to work second shift so I'll be cutting some Zzzzz while you are at the cushy 8 - 4 job).
1:456
I am not the one who named barrett and billard. I am the one who said there are two or three more who are in on this. I think you probably already know who they are. You may be one of them.
I hear that over 3,500 Giles County people voted to have a charter written? Is this correct?
That is incorrect 8:18.
I heard that 24000 voted to have Barrett shut his dumb mouth forever. Is that correct?
Still calling names.
8:39
This is going to get a lot uglier closer to election time. These people have an agenda, and I believe them to be quite deliberate and ruthless.
9:44 I would say both sides will be
ruthless near the election.
People have forgotten how to act.
Wouldn't it be nice if both sides could give good info for or against the charter and not fussing at someone.
wab
I was just reading the newspaper concerning the argument as to who will be appointed to the election commission. The article said that certain Republicans met at the home of Don Parr. Were you there? I would almost bet my right arm that you were.
Tell me something. How can Somerville go against the wishes of the election commission? Why was the recommendation for Ms. Guthrie not thrown out for a vote of the Republican Party? Can you see anything wrong with what appears to be a secretive meeting like that? Is it even lawful?
Please allow me to share my opinion about this matter. I believe with all my heart that this is just more of the same from you guys, and it stinks to high heavens. I believe you people are doing everything within your power to get those you want into key positions throughout county government. While there's nothing wrong with sponsoring those of your choosing, the manner in which this is being done is nothing short of sleazy (my opinion).
This is why I have washed my hands of the Republican Party. I will remain a conservative in the tradition of Ronald Reagan, but I want absolutely nothing to do with the likes of you, Don Parr, Bill Haslam, and Jim Somerville. In fact, I will vote Democratic against Haslam and Somerville. Not only that, but I will campaign virorously against them.
I can see why so many people have come to distrust the Republicans. I am completely ashamed of them.
Haslam and Somerville will be gone. They won't get a single vote from teachers and their families. That's a lot of people, not counting the folks who will vote Democratic anyhow. Good riddance!
Haslam will be elected again because TN has a very large republican following and we are tired of seeing Unions take advantage of the government and the workers. There are way more hard working conservatives in this state than teachers. Quit crying about having to pay your fair share.
2:30 I would disagree with you. There are a LOT of Republicans who are dissatisfied with Haslam and Somerville. They will join the Democrats and vote against them. You'll see.
So the other side is having secret meetings no. Hurts don't it.
I voted Democrate until they put Obama in, now I want vote.
I think the disgruntled have been having secretive meetings for quite awhile. In fact, I believe they mounted a concerted campaign against Mrs. Vanzant. It failed. Perhaps they used conference calling instead of meeting house-to-house?
Funny when the shoe is on the other foot how anyone acts.
1:58 When you start with a stupid premise you no doubt will end up with stupid conclusions and that is proven by your assumptions and the ass you made of yourself with such totally fictionalized accusations. If you had any idea of what you are speaking of some simpleton might actually take you serious but as it is you prove yourself totally wrong on every count.
wab
Instead of making inflammatory comments, why don't you prove me wrong on every count?
Will you deny that you and a few of your cohorts mounted a campaign to smear and undermine Mrs. Vanzant's candidacy for re-election? Will you?
Would you go so far as to deny that Somerville and Haslam have made it hard on teachers? Would you?
Were you at the so-called "Republican" meeting that most Republicans knew nothing about?
Could you just answer those questions? Thank you.
1:58 you accused WAB of being at the meeting, I was there but WAB wasn't. It was no secret meeting and Paul Manke from the newspaper was there.
Maybe the problem is they knew you weren't a republican so you wasn't invited. Bet you don't get invited to any conservative meetings either based on your level of stupidity.
8:46
Don't lie. I din't accuse barrett of being at the so-called "Republican" meeting. I asked if he was in attendance. How did you miss that?
Just because Paul Manke was there (I don't think he was) does not mean that meeting was open to the public. Why would the media be invited to that meeting anyhow? I think we should call it a "meeting of select Republicans". Why? Because only certain people were called. And I understand from another party who actually was there that nothing was mentioned about a recommendation for the election commission post. So what gives? Can you explain that? This is just an example of why I washed my hands of the Republican Party. Now I understand why so many people distrust Rerpublicans.
If I want to ask a few friends to my house, do I have to get the C. G.'s permission?
Do I have to announce that everyone is invited?
What is Giles County coming too.
7:03
If this was truly a "Republican" meeting, then it should have been announced. I know a couple of very prominent Republicans who knew nothing about it.
No, don't try to trap me or smart off by suggesting that you need anyone's permission to have friends over to your house. You know better than that.
Was this a Republican meeting or just a gathering of friends? If it was only a gathering of friends, then why invite the news media? Could you explain?
I'll tell you what Giles County is coming to. It's becoming a laughing stock, because people from outside the county know about a little group of quarrelsome people who keep something stirred up constantly. I know that for an absolute fact.
If nothing was mentioned about the recommendation of the election commission why wasn't it just friends getting together?
I can't see that is any of 6:48 or anyone else's bussiness.
Sounds like someone gotm their feelings hurt because wasn't invited.
7:21
The newspaper article did NOT portray that meeting as a mere gathering of friends. If that's all it was, then it truly is nobody's business. But why was the news media invited? Also, I got the impression that the recommendation for Ms. Guthrie originated at that "Republican' meeting, but an individual who was there said that was not even mentioned.
Hurt feelings over not being invited? Surely, you jest. I want nothing to do with the Republican Party anymore. Nothing! I now see how they roll.
7:28 I suggest you stick with Obama then if you want nothing more to do with the Republician party.
As for the news media being invited, could he have been a friend why he was invited?
Just what was talked about at this party/meeting?
Maybe the house wasn't big enought for a large crowd. Looks to me like you are trying to stir up trouble with the Republician party in Giles County.
8:41
I will vote against whoever is going to run against obama, because we must get him out of there. Conversely, I will vote and campaign against the likes of Haslam and Somerville. That's it.
From what I understand, what was talked about at this "Republican" meeting was not about a recommendation for the election commission job. So where did that come from? Could you explain? And why would Somerville disregard the election commission recommendation of Scott Speer? Can you explain that?
I really don't think what was done is legal if it was in fact a bonafide Republican meeting. Am I right about that?
8:14
I believe this meeting is what is stirring up trouble for the Republican Party in Giles County.
8:31 said "From what I understand, what was talked about at this "Republican" meeting was not about a recommendation for the election commission job. So where did that come from? Could you explain?"
I would like to hear that post explained also. I thought the gripe was because they thought they were discussing the recommendation for the election commission job. If that wasn't discussed why the fuss?
Was the governor ans omerville at this meeting?
Does Giles County need another Speer in control?
This blog sounds like Roomney and Newt.
Anybody out there reading this blog and thinking about moveing here, forget it you're not welcome or that's the way it looks.
10:25
Your charge that people who think about moving here would not be welcome is a lie. That's a no-brainer.
As for Haslam and Somerville, I doubt that either one of them was at this "meeting".
You just made my point. If Ms. Guthrie was NOT discussed at this meeting, then where did the recommendation originate?
Here's what I think. Some of those who were at this private meeting are the same ones who met privately to push the charter. Please tell me I am wrong about that.
10:25 Thanks for the advice. I had been reading the blogs to see if I wanted to retire there.
From what I had been reading I had already thought Giles County people must be a very unhappy bunch.
I'm not a Republician or Democrat, I vote for the person running, not sure I would be excepted there.
I've always had friends at my house to discuss whoever is running for election. No one has ever complained about it where I live now.
8:31 you wrote "I will vote against whoever is going to run against obama."
Brother that says enough for me to know what a fool you are and anything you write from now on will be nothing but pure bull to me.
We cannot afford four more years of obama. So far, Gingrich is my choice.
Way to go 10:45.lol
Sounds like trouble in the Republican paradise.
10:45 said it perfect for me. Anyone with the attitude of 8:31 not only don't have the interest of this country and its people at heart they have to be dumber than a box of rocks.
10:45 I agree. 8:31 is a complete fool no wonder he didn't put his name on his stupidity.
Is 8:31 the Christian gentleman? It sure sounded like him.
3:04
You are very perceptive. Yes, it was me...a Christian who happens to be a gentleman.
Having said that, would you be so kind as to address the concerns I wanted someone to explain? I really want to know. Thank you.
4:25 I have no idea why Somerville didn't except Speer. You will have to call and ask him that.
The other question you asked has me puzzled, was it why they didn't discuss the election commision. Why don't you call Don Parr and ask him. As far as I know that wasn't why they met. Was you not the first one to mentioned on the blog they met?
I wasn't invited to the meeting and my feelings aren't hurt because I wasn't.
I understood the people running for office in Giles County wasn't elected by Republician or Democrat.
Am I wrong about that?
I have no idea which party Janet Vanzant or Kyle Helton or any Commissioner belong to. Even if they feel they are one or the other. And really don't care.
4:33
I wasn't invited to the Republican meeting either, and I wouldn't have gone anyhow. I'm pretty much through with that party.
The main question I have is that, if the recommendation of Ms. Gurthrie didn't come out of that meeting, then where did it originate, particularly since The election commission had already recommended Scott Speer? Could you explain that for me?
I would also like to ask why Somerville and Haslam are making it so hard on teachers. Don't take my word for that. Just ask any teacher that question. Or, better yet, ask Eddie Bass or any of a number of Giles County Retired Teachers about it.
I read Mrs. Gurthrie was nonamited or something like that on this blog. Who posted it and how did they find it out? Was that in the paper? I don't take it.
Did the governor and somerville agree on her?
Who nominated Speer?
Just will be the job of the election commissioner?
Will they work in the election office?
O' great Christian Gentleman you have spoken and your words have revealed the truth about you I quote, "I will vote against whoever is going to run against obama" posted Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:31:00 AM.
It's no wonder that you weren't invited to a Republican Meeting with that statement I'd never invite you to any patriotic meetings either. The best you could be is a spy for the Muslim traitor.
And you claim that you don't enable evil, what a liar.
7:18
Giles County has been a laughing stock way before this blog ever originated. I can tell you when I went to college and then moved to Nashville after college, from the time I left here I never heard one positive word come out of a persons mouth after finding out where I was from.
I thought I would counter a person that was dogging out Giles County by asking if they had ever even been in Giles County. To my surprise they had and named some prominent people by name.
This was over twenty years ago but the tradition continues.
If you value our Constitution then you do not want Romney or Gingrich. They are the opposite side of the same Obama coin. Gingrich stands on stage during debates and supports Obama's actions in violation of American citizens Constitutional rights and he is your man.
Ron Paul all the way and the only politician that believes in the Constitution, has proven he fights to uphold what is outlined in it and does not believe in Global domination by the military industrial complex via NATO. Our taxes need to stay here at home instead of being given to other countries that speak as though they are our friends but act as our enemies while we continue to fund them.
What does it matter if a group of people that may all be Republicans met in some ones house.
Giles County Commissioners wanted to take their business behind closed doors and many griping now were supporting that.
The Christian Gentleman said he would vote against anyone who ran against Obama. That means the Christian Gentleman supports abortion on demand at taxpayer expense; supports higher taxes for everyone; supports government run healthcare; supports a president that has lied on hundreds of occasions; supports taking away citizens rights to own guns as allowed by the Constitution; supports violating the Constitution when it's convenient; supports a president that bows to other heads of governments; supports a president that has closer Muslim ties than Christian; supports socialism and communism; supports gutting the military; supports out of control spending to the tune of 16 trillion dollars in debt; supports amnesty for illegals; supports violation of law by operating the government without a budget; supports the illegal operations of "Fast and Furious"; supports not building the Keystone pipeline and giving the oil to China; supports buying planes from Brazil instead of American made and putting thousands of US citizens out of work; These are just a few of the things the Christian Gentleman admits to supporting yet he denies being an enabler of evil.
ann
Wrong. While you cast stones at my claim to being a Christian and a gentleman, let me make one thing perfectly clear to you. I will vote for anyone who votes against the likes of obama or anyone else for that matter who would be pro-abortion (murder). In addition to that, I am totally against big government, more taxes, gun control, gay marriage, and increased entitlements. I love conservatism. Nice try though.
Let me hasten to say that it's people like you who ran me away from the Republican Party. It is my belief that most if not all of the troublemakers here in Giles County belong to that party. Add to the mix those at the state level such as Haslam and Somerville, and you get the picture. Is it any wonder why so many peoploe dislike the mean-spiritedness and arrogance of this party? While I cannot vote for Democrats, I will remain a conservative and simply refrain from voting...other than agasinst Haslam, Somerville, and Obama. That's my right as an American citizen.
I noticed that you just couldn't help taking a parting shot at my Christianity. Shame on you. I thought you Republicans were the ones who always bragged about being more spiritual and moral? Lastly, the only enablers I know of are those like you who constantly find fault and promote that very lie. Again, shame on you.
that is not what you stated in a previous post CG. Are you lying now? Go back and read your posts because that is what you continue to do.
8:00
Wrong again. What I SAID is that I would vote for whoever runs against Obama. And that could be Gingrich or Romney. Now, as for Haslam and Somerville, I would probably hold my nose and vote for a Democrat to help get them out of office. THAT IS MY RIGHT.
Please stop calling names and respect my right to vote as I please. I forgot; you can't help it. You might profit from reading the fable about the spider and the butterfly.
Well, Well, CG has finally said something about name calling. Notice how when one of his friends called people names he didn't say anything until asked what he thought about it.
He finally said he would be voting for a Republician president when he said he didn't like Republicians. I had been wondering how he wasn't going to vote for obama or a Republician. Thught there would be someone else out there I could vote for.
Well, well Mr. Christian Gentleman on Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:31:00 AM
you wrote "I will vote against whoever is going to run against obama."
An anonymous poster asked if that was you who posted the comment, Anonymous said... "Is 8:31 the Christian gentleman? It sure sounded like him." Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:04:00 PM
You responded with affirmation of the statement by writing "3:04
You are very perceptive. Yes, it was me...a Christian who happens to be a gentleman.
Having said that, would you be so kind as to address the concerns I wanted someone to explain? I really want to know. Thank you."
Thursday, January 26, 2012 4:25:00 PM
If you will vote against anyone who runs against obama, isn't it reasonable to say that you support obama and thus support his policies and actions?
Ann called it right in her post.
Now after being caught up in your web of deceit you claim you didn't actually write what you wrote but that you actually wrote, "What I SAID is that I would vote for whoever runs against Obama."
It seems that your contradictions are contradicting themselves.
Your comments against republicans , the governor and Sen. Sommerville
all fit in with your obama support.
Now I don't care who you vote for I just dislike the hypocritical claims of being a conservative while supporting obama and the democrats. It's as disingenuous as your claim of being a "Christian Gentleman" while supporting abortion on demand at taxpayer expense; hostile attacks against Christianity by this liberal president and his followers; and the God hating socialism of communist. You are not merely enabling wrongdoing by holding these positions you embolden the wrongdoers.
Anyone who might have given any credibility to your comments before must surely have second and third thoughts about them now.
I'm sure you will respond with the usual whine about people attacking your religion, I will merely say I too am a Christian and would not criticize Christianity. I have observed that most Christians and most gentlemen display far more integrity than you have shown thus it is you and not Christianity that is being criticized.
wab
You bet I am a Christian and a gentleman. It's a nice thing to be, and I would suggest that you consider its importance. It's unfortunate that you want to belittle me for that. And how dare you to say it's disingenuous of me to claim Christ and to consider myself a gentleman. How dare you.
As for name-calling, I have already stated more than once that I believe it to be wrong, regardless of who is doing it.
Now, let's talk about Obama. I said I would vote for the candidate who runs against him. You are right in that I don't care for the Republican Party anymore, but we simply must get Obama out of office before he completely ruins this country. I will vote for the Republican candidate. How could you say I support Obama when I clearly stated that I will vote against him? What is so hard for you to understand about that?
I wish you would stop telling that lie that I enable wrongdoings. It was a lie when you first told it, and it remains as such today. Please stop it.
You mentioned credibility. What an irony. I don't think you have any at all. Yet, you want to judge me.
Lastly, were I not a Christian and a gentleman, I would resort to the mean-spirited comments you just made about me. Look, we don't see eye-to-eye on things and that is the heart and soul of debate. We can do that without belittling and sarcastic remarks and name-calling. Ok? Think about it.
wab
I almost forgot. Didn't you just personally attack me? If not, then what would you call it? I look forward to your defense.
Looks like your understanding is as flawed as your memory. You plainly stated you would vote against whoever is going to run against Obama. then you confirmed that statement just as Mr. Barrett wrote.
I don't see wher Mr Barrett attacked you personally or made a judgement against you he only used your words to describe how opposite they were to most Christian and gentlemanly behavior. I have to agree with Mr Barrett based on what you wrote then affirmed.
12:27
You know what? You are really beginning to look like a simple-minded person. Just describing behavior there.
I SAID I would vote for whoever runs against obama. That would be a Republican. There should be no argument on that, but you just can't let it go.
Why do you continue playing this game of gotcha that you are losing miserably? Is there anything you really want to discuss, or do we keep playing?
Your turn, I'm sure. Go ahead.
What does this mean 12:50
"I WILL VOTE AGAINST WHOEVER IS GOING TO RUN AGAINST OBAMA" That sir is what you wrote on Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:31:00 AM
Then when you were asked if that was you by a poster at 3:04 PM that same day you replied. "YOU ARE VERY PERCEPTIVE. YES, IT WAS ME... A CHRISTIAN WHO HAPPENS TO BE A GENTLEMAN". You posted that reply at 4:25PM approximately eight hours after posting the original statement is support of Obama.
Dude it right there is black and white and there is no way to deny it. You messed up and let your true colors be known.
Is Ole' CG going to blatantly lie again or is he/she going to get its panties out of the wad and apologize to every one that they defended an untruth so tenaciously?
jad
I won't even attempt to respond to your mean-spirited remarks. I know what I said, and I stand by it. Obama has got to go, and whoever the candidate is who runs against him will get my vote. Why are you arguing over something so crystal clear? I will vote for whoever the GOP nominee is who happens to run against obama. How can I make that any clearer?
You scoff at my claiming Christ. Shame on you. Aren't you guys the ones who often accuse people of trying to read the thoughts and intents of someone else's heart? Is that not what you are doing? I believe it is, and I know why. I just don't see things you guys' way, and that somehow makes me a bad person. God knows my heart.
Do you have anything you really want to discuss? Stop being so angry.
Thank you.
Now jump to the other side of the fence.
3:41
Do you have anything you really want to discuss, or is this all you are about...playing a game? Do you even understand why you are so angry and resentful? It's called kool-aid.
Have another refreshing glass of infectious hatred and take your next turn as I know you will. Go for it.
In reading about the Republican ruckus in the newspaper it appears Speer and Parr no longer see eye to eye, even though Speer was employed by Parr for a year and had served as treasurer of the local Republican committee. Anyone know what happened? I think S. Speer would be a good member of the election commission.
7:16
Scott Speer is the one the election commission recommended to the state election commission, but it appears that, for some reason, Somerville wants to disregard their recommendation in favor of another one. My question is who originated that second recommendation after the local commission had recommended Speer?
Has it been settled who gets the job?
Just wondering, since I'm a Democrat it's none of my beeswax.
Who originated that second recommendation and where did it take place? Why is Somerville disregarding the recommendation of the local election commission? Would one of you guys who KNOWS the answer please explain that?
wab
Would you answer the question as to where the Guthrie recommendation originated and how? I am sure you know.
I', told that the purpose of this blog is to keep Giles Countians informed. Inform us please. Thank you.
WAB, Don't answer anything to someone that can't put your initials in capital letters. If they can't respect you anymore than that they don't deserve an answer.
The newspaper article suggests the recommendation of Guthrie over Speer came from Don Parr.
I hope Gurthie gets it! She is a nice lady and will do a good job.
Who will decide who gets it?
9:32
But that recommendation was not discussed at that Republican meeting most people knew nothing about. And, the commission had already recommended Scott Speer to the state election commission. I just don't understand how that could happen.
When and where was the Republician?
Was all Republicians invited or just a few?
3:52
Just a few.
Which meeting was there just a few, the one for Speer or the one at Parr's?
If it was the one they wanted Speer, I don't see why the problem with just a few at Parr's meeting.
Parr's house, and the topic of recommending Ms. Guthrie wasn't discussed. So where did the recommendation originate? And if one person alone made the rercommendation to Somerville, why would he go along with it and disregard the prior recommendation of Scott Speer? Why?
Would one of you guys please answer the question? I am sure that one of you knows the answer. How can one man make a recommendation that a state senator would honor over the recommendation of the local election commission?
From what I'm reading it is a done deal Mrs. Guthrie got the job. Right??
Also could someone tell me the difference in some people not liking how the county officials run Giles County and some people not liking it because Mrs. Guthried got the job instead of Mr. Speer?
It is my opinion that Ms. Guthrie should not get that job simply because maybe one individual or a few at best recommended her over the already-submitted recommendation of Scott Speer. How is that ethical or fair? It's not.
I don't agree with every single thing how our county government does, but I don't attack, call names, and do anything within my power to hurt the ones I disagree with. I had a better raising, thank God.
12:34
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back when you throw slurs like that toward others.
12:34
I simply told the truth. There's absolutely no call for all the name-calling and attacks.
Wonder how so many people know so much about what happened at meetings they admit not attending. Could it be
more than two groups are involved, could it be with all the mess of the last election the election commission is coming under greater examination.
I doon't know but seems like no one else knows either.
Ole CG sure has his panties in a wad after getting caught saying he would work against anybody that went against Obama. Dude how can you continue to deny what you said when it's written right there in black and white and you even confirmed that you are the one who wrote it.
If you gonna lie you should at least do it where it ain't so easy to get caught.
4:33
where did 12:34 call you a name or attack you. They made an observation based on your prior statements. You really do strive to be a victim.
Is the one that said he was through with the republican party the one that is so upset over Speer not getting the job?
6:29
Here we go again I see. I am a gentleman who follows Christ. I don't wear panties, and I stand behind what I have said on several occasions. That is, I will vote for whoever runs against Obama. By that I mean to vote Republican. What is so difficult to understand about that? What lie did I tell? This is really beginning to make you look a bit stupid.
7:53
This is absolutely unbelievable. I never said that 12:34 called me a name or attacked me. What I said is there's absolutely no call for all this name-calling and attacks. That was directed to the ones who are guilty of doing so. Read that post again. I hope this clears up your misunderstanding.
10:34 this is where you lied, when you write something then confirm you wrote it then deny that was what you wrote and the proof is right there in front of you that good Christian gentleman is a lie.
You wrote on Thursday January 26 at 8:31 AM ""I WILL VOTE AGAINST WHOEVER IS GOING TO RUN AGAINST OBAMA"
Then the question was asked if that was you who wrote that statement
your response at 4:25 that same day
was, "YOU ARE VERY PERCEPTIVE. YES, IT WAS ME... A CHRISTIAN WHO HAPPENS TO BE A GENTLEMAN".
Now you say that, "I will vote for whoever runs against Obama" which is the exact opposite. The only reasonable conclusion that can be made is that not only do you refuse to stand by your comments but you straight out lied in at least one of those statements. Now, if you want to explain why those two statements are so opposite or why one is not a lie that's fine but to continue to deny you lied is absurd
and to blame others as not understanding what you wrote when it was so plain not only makes you a lying hypocrite but a very stupid child having a tantrum.
Why not really take some responsibility and put your name on your post and admit what is so clearly obvious to everyone who has read the posts involved.
jad
I think the kool-aid has diven you completely insane. Why can't you just let this go?
What I said is that I will vote for whoever runs against Obama. That means the Republican candidate. What is so difficult to understand about that?
I see no discrepancy between what I said and what I have admitted to, unless I looked at a post in error, thinking it was mine. This is so asinine, and I have to tell you it is making you look really stupid.
Let me say it again, and please read closely. I will vote for whoever runs against obama. That means the Republican candidate.
Do you have anything you really want to discuss besides me?
Ok, I suppose it's again your turn to call me names. Go ahead.
The words I would like to say about CG can't be said on this blog, but I have to take up for her on this one. He did say "Whoever runs against Obama."
He had said he was through with the Republician party so I couldn't believe it was really CG saying he would vote Republician.
I'm the one asked if the post was made by CG.
Very impressive 7:40 or Christian Gentleman or whoever you want to call yourself and if i had been caught in a big lie and contradiction I'd be begging the person to let it go also.. I agree you wrote "that I will vote for whoever runs against Obama".
The problem is on Thursday January 26 at 8:31 AM you wrote "I WILL VOTE AGAINST WHOEVER IS GOING TO RUN AGAINST OBAMA"
Then the question was asked if that was you who wrote that statement
your response at 4:25 that same day
was, "YOU ARE VERY PERCEPTIVE. YES, IT WAS ME... A CHRISTIAN WHO HAPPENS TO BE A GENTLEMAN".Are you now denying that you wrote an affirmed that statement on January 26?
Your statement "I SEE NO DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT I SAID AND WHAT I HAVE ADMITTED TO." reveals either a simpleminded person that doesn't know the meaning of "against" or a simple minded political hack determined to pull the wool over the public eyes or you're just a dumb liar that got caught and refuses to take responsibility for your lie.
This is the full post made by CG on January 26 2012. I challenge anyone to explain this first sentence as anything but a commitment to vote against anyone who opposed obama.
8:41
I will vote against whoever is going to run against obama, because we must get him out of there. Conversely, I will vote and campaign against the likes of Haslam and Somerville. That's it.
From what I understand, what was talked about at this "Republican" meeting was not about a recommendation for the election commission job. So where did that come from? Could you explain? And why would Somerville disregard the election commission recommendation of Scott Speer? Can you explain that?
I really don't think what was done is legal if it was in fact a bonafide Republican meeting. Am I right about that?
Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:31:00 AM
This statement was reaffirmed by CG
just hours later.
8:36
I'm glad you are impressed. Of course I will vote for the Republican who runs against Obama. We have got to get him out of there. Could we agree on that?
As for affiliating myself with the Republican Party any further than that, I won't. But I will remain a conservative. There is no discrepancy, and I just can't understand what is so hard to understand about that.
Do you have anything you really want to discuss, or shall we continue? This is absolutely ridiculous.
8:21
What you would say to me off this blog is unfortunate. This is but one example of why I see you guys are very very dangerous. Thank God, you aren't getting your way.
Are you freaking blind are that big a liar 8:53 that you don't see any discrepancy between " "I WILL VOTE AGAINST WHOEVER IS GOING TO RUN AGAINST OBAMA" and I will vote for whoever runs against obama.
The difference between against and for is as big as Alaska as opposite as you from intelligence if you can see it.
jad
I got it. You are saying I would vote against whoever is running against Obama. My goodness. If I worded it like that, then you are right. But I have since stated repeatedly that I WILL VOTE FOR WHOEVER IS RUNNING AGAINST OBAMA. That is exactly what I meant. If I used the word "against" in the wrong place, it was merely an error and oversight.
I plan to vote for (not against) whoever (the Republican) is running against Obama. Now can we please lay this to rest? Probably not, but it's worth a try.
I'm glad that's straigten out.
I still think the one that likes to be called a Christian and a gentleman is an arrogant man with too much time on his hand. That don't mean he's not a gentleman or a christian.
When he talks against or about the president or governor that is stirring up striff and trouble. No different than he accused others of doing when they question the county officials.
10:55
So do you think nobody should say a word about Obama? Why even hold a presidential election?
And there's nothing at all arrogant about claiming Christ and about being a gentleman. Would you walk into a church building and call a group of Christians for what they profess? If more people would do those things, what a wonderful world we would have.
11:16 Gett off your high horse. I didn't say anything about you being a christian. I was just talking about you complaining about some talking about some commissioners and Mrs. Vamzant when you did the same thing about Obama and the governor. You think anything you do is alright but other people can't say anything.
Well guess what I wish the governor, Obama and Vanzant and a few commissioners would be voted out. They need to go!
Oh I forgot Goodbye Tee Jackson.
I guess you wanted to think because I said you was arrogant it was about religion but it wasn't. I think you think you are right on everything and no one else should say anything.
You come off as a know it all.
1:29 That's coorect. I:29 does indeed come off as a know-it-all. Good post.
Big problem with his knowing it all is he don't even know what he's writing. When you write something then confirm it then deny it a dozen times then finally get around to actually reading your words and see how stupid you were looks like an apology would be in order but not for the know it all Christian Gentleman everyone should have known what he meant. Kind of like reading Watsons column we're suppose to know what he means when he don't even know hisself.
3:01
Are you STILL wanting to harp on what I said about voting for whoever runs against Obama. That's exactly what I meant, and it has been explained to you over and over and over again.
Do you have anything you want to discuss, or would you rather continue this stupid game?
Oh, and I really am a Christian and a gentleman. Live with that too.
YADA, YADA, YADA how can we know what you mean other than by what you say and brother you sure stepped in it when you proclaimed your determination to vote against anyone who worked against obama.
4:11 I'm sure you are tired of hearing about Obama. I bet there are a lot tired of hearing what a christian and gentleman you are.
Just what goes with free speech you can't shut them up and they can't shut you up.
4:22
Are you mentally challenged or what? I think it's what.
I said I would vote for whoever runs againast Obama. I believe this may be the fifth or sixth time I have explained this rather simple concept to you. This is really making you look bad.
Why don't you have barrett explain this to you?
I don't need somebody to explain the difference between the word against and the word for and I fully understand you are a liar if you continue to claim you didn;t write "I WILL VOTE AGAINST WHOEVER IS GOING TO RUN AGAINST OBAMA" and post it on Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:31:00
Until you admit that and stop lying about it I will continue to call you on it and I don't care what else may be you are a liar and a fool,
9:59
Ok, here we go again. As I have explained to you over and over and over, I said that I would vote for whoever runs against Obama. Why is that? It's because we must get him out of the White House and also because my conservative values find him to be repulsive.
Now, if I typed "against whoever runs runs against Obama", I can assure you that the first word "against" was posted by mistake. It just didn't occur to me until YOU kept making such an issue of it. This has been explained, and you continue trying to twist and spin it.
Please stop lying and accept the fact that my original statement was merely a typographical error. I doubt you will, but thought I'd try to reach you one more time.
You know what? I think you guys are desperate to keep something constantly stirred up and in turmoil. I just can't understand why though.
I suppose it's your turn to call me a liar again.
Yep we got to let cg have the last word or he might cry.
OK CG or DAN or whatever you call yourself today since you have finally admitted it may have been a mistake that you typed "against" one too many times and even though you affirmed that you had meant it the way it was written the first time I'll accept the possibility that you made a mistake in both writing, reading and then re-reading your original post on
Thursday, January 26, 2012 8:31:00 AM
11:28
Thasnk you for FINALLY accepting the fact that I plan to vote FOR whoever runs AGAINST Obama.
Now, will you be satisfied?
Giles County needs the charter.
4:07
No, we actually DO NOT need the charter. The system we have in place is doing just fine. It's the troublemakers who want to push this thing on us that we do not need. Just look who is behind it. Are you one of them?
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