E-mail topic: The Spring Deal -- Good or Bad?
What are you thoughts about the Spring property? How do you feel about the spring being given away for 50 years? What would happen if it was needed by the county in that time?
posted by J. Kendrick McPeters | 12:32 AM
410 Comments:
If it can provide water for EVERY household in Giles County that's lacking it now, then it will be a great thing for our residents. If in fact it will create jobs, then another plus. My mother cannot go to her faucet and get water decent enough to drink or cook with. She relies on a spring just as many residents do. There's no reason every home in this county shouldn't have public water!!!!!!!!
I agree that every person should have water, but how do you feel about having it tied up for 50 years. What if something happens to Richland Creek the county needs the spring for our conty. Do you realize how much water the springs provides for RC. I'm not against jobs we need them, but I have my doubts that 100 people will be employed there, & if there are how many will come from Giles County. How many will Ice River transfer here? Will IR get the best land? What will happen to the rest of the land? There's a lot of unanswered questions that need to be explained.
I guess we will have to have a referendum on that, too.
We know Dan Speer & we know he will go to any length to make himself look good & get all the glory. We've seen it many times.
Look how he got the title of EDC.
What difference does it make who gets the glory if the county gets the jobs?
To MR. Alan Barrett,
I have tried very hard to refrain from responding to your often negative comments on this blog. I must say that your intellect, on most every subject that comes up here, is most impressive, most of the time. I must admit, however, that I am quite often disappointed when you stray from the real subjects, only to attack the character of others and likely I am opening to door for you to do so to me also. You claim to want everyone to work together yet insist on planting seeds of doubt about everything and everyone.
With that said, you should know that there are things that arise in our lives that we sometimes have no control of. This brings me to the reason for the absence of Tommy and myself at the special meeting held to discuss the "Spring" issues. Unfortunately, we had a death in the family this week and we have been somewhat preoccupied.
Furthermore, I have since learned that the majority of people were not even aware that such a meeting was to take place. I realize that it was mentioned in the newspaper, however we did not recieve this issue of the paper until 1:00pm on the day the meeting was to be held. I am quite sure that other information was made available concerning this matter, but as I have already suggested, we must have been preoccupied. I can't help but wonder why you, who seems always to be informed of everything, would not have posted the meeting and invited everyone to attend. Maybe you could consider doing this in the future.
I am sure that my opinion of you and the comments you sometimes make are of no importance to you, yet I feel the need to clarify, for the citizens of the 5th district, the reason for Tommys' absence at the meeting. It was most definitely not, as you stated, that "they failed to see any significance in this meeting". Maybe your choice of words, in stating "they" instead of "some", would have made a difference in how I have interpreted your comment. It seems that, as you have often stated to others, "it is what it is", in your post.
Tammy Pollard
Tell him Tammy. He needs a huge piec eof humble pie!
Based on what I have heard, selling the springs to an outside firm could very well be a huge mistake. If the creeks start drying up...particularly those that feed Richland Creek, we may find ourselves "up the creek with no need for a paddle". By the way, this has nothing to do with "northerners" as someone has suggested. But it could have everything to do with the future of Giles County.
Granted, the financial benefits on the front end would be tremendous, but it scares me to think what might happen to the county water table a few years down the road. This is certainly something that needs to be studied and pondered carefully. We really don't want to see Pulaski become a ghost town as has been suggested.
As for the hundred or more jobs this endeavor might create, there is a large bottling firm in North Alabama that only employs a few workers.
I just hope the Commission will do their homework on this. What may look wonderful at first could turn out to be a literal nightmare for us all. Let's not rush into this thing without a thorough investigation of the pros and cons.
Mr. Barrett
I would have thought you would have been against the sale of the springs. This has some very serious implications for the county. I would urge people to ask their commissioners to look carefully at the worst case scenario before proceeding with this sale.
There's another simple psychological principle in play here. Do we want immediate gratification or do we ignore the potential for county-wide catastrophe down the road? If there is no risk, then I am in favor of the sale. However, if there's any doubt about harmful long term effects, my vote would be to "look before leaping" on this one.
Yes, I agree that it would be much better to err on the side of caution on this sale.
Will Giles Countians eventually have to buy this bottled water to live on when out water supplies begin to deplete? You may laugh, but.....think about it.
allen is absolutely correct. the people who either didn't listen or don't want to hear the facts are sending a message that giles county does want any more jobs. this is not in the best interest of giles county. the same people will be the first to complain about higher taxes and no jobs. there are no free lunches!
Mr. Barrett.....
You continue to amaze me. And from the way you talked to Mrs. Pollard, I suggest that you got more than your fair share of self-confidence. And, when unbridled, becomes arrogance.
As for the springs at Campbellsville, all I really said was that the Commission needs to be very cautious about this. And I believe if you will check on that North Alabama bottling facility, you will find that it employs very few people. So, unless this company will be operating differently, do not look for hundreds of new jobs.
Don't get so defensive sir. I was merely asking questions and suggesting that the Commission proceed with caution. Sheesh!
Why is it that Mr. Barrett always suggests that those who disagree with him are either lacking in knowledge or confused? Isn't that arrogance to presume such? Nobody on this blog has a corner on the intelligence market!
I do not have the records to back this up, but I would be willing to bet that if they would tell the truth-- or if someone would dig through the old newspapers to find the letters to the editor-- the same people who are raising such a stink about selling the land and leasing the spring are the same ones that were ready to crucify (I believe it was James Miller--but I am not posisitive who was the County Exec at the time) the county executive for purchasing the spring and land in the first place.
I just hope the commissioners have done the right thing. This could be a disaster...and I hope to be wrong about it.
Why don't you ask Mrs. Pollard how you were offensive to her....not me! And the terms, lack of knowledge and confused, are your words, not mine. Remember, you accused me of those things, didn't you?
As for the sale of the springs, I really hope all will be well, even five or ten years down the road. And if that company can deliver 75 more jobs to the county, that's a plus. But, should the new venture cause water problems for the county, then we have to call it a minus, don't we?
At the risk of being characterized as closed-minded, let me assure you that I am in favor of this sale IF Richland Creek and others fed by these springs are not harmed. There are many people in the Campbellsville Community who are very concerned about this matter. They are not lacking in knowledge or confused either. They are just plain afraid of what might happen. But again, I hope it all works out to the betterment of our county.
Do you have selective amnesia, Mr. Barrett? You ARE the one who accused someone of lacking in knowledge and of being confused. It is on this blog somewhere. That is why i challenged you on that issue, as well as several others.
Yes, you did offend her, because she took you to task on one of her posts. Read, read, read.
Our progression? Please explain.
She did. Mrs. Pollard took you to task as I already mentioned. Surely you, not me, can find the post.
Your arrogance knows no bounds. Thank God you didn't get elected. You talk down at someone like he/she is a child and you are the all-wise and all-knowing.Where do you get off thinking you are so smart and ALWAYS right?????????
I didn't no mr Barret had beat up on a girl no oneder all them gud ole boys is takin up fer her. Where did thay git into it at any how?
Seems to me like anonymous is mighty mad at mr barret. I dont no why if hes got some proof that mr Barret said sumthing rong why he dont jus tell it and be done with it that's what i'd do. You no sumthing else i don't no is why everbody is so mad at mr barret he said he has confidance an others say he has arogance. I don't no what hes got i was just wondering how cum so many peoples can say mean thangs about him but he cant say nuthing back.
chuckles , I was just wondering why you continue to make fun of those you think not as smart as you are?
....because he says mean things to and about others.
And the other people on this blog
don't or haven't? You better go back and start at the first.
Go to "Find Out Where the Candidates Stand" to see where WAB used the word "confused" as well as many other ugly comments - something about someone lacking brain cells and the infamous "dim-witted, anal buffoon...." words.
I would have to disagree with you this time Mr. Barrett. Mr Chuckles makes a fool of himself. If Mr. Chuckles is going to responed please do so on a adult level. It is just not cute to try and talk like a back-wood hick, and yes I was born and raised here, and it is stupid people like Mr. Chukles, that make me wonder why they are on this planet and not in Mars.
Good grief!!! When did confused become so ugly? Hateful maybe!!!!
I was born and raised in Giles County, but I have to disagree with some of the bashing of Mr. Barrett. I first saw him at a commission meeting, the one where he laughed, and had an opinion of him at that time. But, I kept it to myself because I didn’t feel I should judge the man on that first meeting. Since then, I have met and spoken with him on some other occasions and I now have a totally different opinion of him. If you would do the same, I think, you as I did, will see him in a different light. He and his lovely wife have lived here for “twenty-five” years and his children attended Richland School and in my thinking, he is needlessly called an outsider.
I think he may be disliked for some of the same reasons as Claudia “a local person” and that is, for writing about what really goes on in our county government. So, why don’t you make an effort to get to know Mr. Barrett and why he feels so passionately about our county and what direction it is taking all of us or at least attend meetings as he does? I am “not” suggesting you agree with him and his views. But, talk to him in person and then form your opinion of him.
So, if you are going to bash me for this post, just remember, I was born and raised here and never lived any other place. So, doesn’t that exempt me!
I feel the need to defend Mr. Barrett also. I do not know him personally but have watched and read what he has gone through for the good of this county. How many people who live here now will go to jail trying to uncover illegal activities by our local government?
None, that I personally know. Mr. Barrett has alot of knowledge because as we all know he is as my Grandmother would say "a little long in tooth" and pays attention to issues that are affecting Giles County.
People need to stop being so critical of each other and stop looking for hidden agendas, not everyone has one. Some people do things just for the simple fact that they believe it is the right thing to do.
People could also stop taking offense to things that are said in general. I have mad statements myself-shame on Giles County-and was called on it and I had to explain what I meant. People sometimes make general comments without thinking about everyone who may be affected.
some of the people who voted against selling 20 acres and lease
partial water rights from the spring property were the same ones who lead an effort, which failed, in the late '90s to sell the entire property including the spring.
Those who oppose him feel just as passionately.
Dude, there was an incident at a fish fry. The replies did not come from the person who originally asked about it. I know, because I am that one that originally asked. And, by the way, there was more to that story, but since the elections are over, there is not a good need to bring it up now.......unless you really want to.
Mrs. Gordon was not involved in the fish fry incident of which I speak.
Allen, isn't Fred one of the more enlightened among us? Would you dare say he lacks knowledge or is confused?
Maybe we need a new thread on the blog called “The Fish Fry Incident”.
As for bashing or loving WAB, at least he has the nads to sign what he post. Wrong or right that is a lot better then a lot of us.
To Sunday, August 20, 2006 4:43:29 PM Anonymous and the Chuckles comment. I believe Chuckles is an intelligent person whom is attempting to use humor to get his or her point across.
Getting back to the subject of this thread. IIRC (If I Remember Correctly) for the less “tech” crowd.
The company is only asking for the rights to a very small portion of the springs productivity. Pulaski has very few natural and renewable resources and this spring happens to be one of them.
However, people have started all of these DOOMS DAY theory’s. I hate to point this out to you guys but I can one up on your DOOMS DAY and point out we are located between a nuclear power plant and a military brain tank (Redstone) which are both priority targets in war. The Nuclear fall out would be disastrous to us. Before we know it we would be neck high in nuclear zombies and three eyed fish. Wait, no fish because the water bottling company would be taking all the water. However the real issue can been seen when looking at Dihydrogen monoxide (also known as hydric acid).
http://www.dhmo.org/
What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
• Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
• Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
• Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
• DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
• Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
• Contributes to soil erosion.
• Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
• Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
• Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
• Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
• Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere.
• Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.
What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Despite the known dangers of DHMO, it continues to be used daily by industry, government, and even in private homes across the U.S. and worldwide. Some of the well-known uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
• as an industrial solvent and coolant,
• in nuclear power plants,
• by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels,
• by elite athletes to improve performance,
• in the production of Styrofoam,
• in biological and chemical weapons manufacture,
• as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant,
• in abortion clinics,
• as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs,
• as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air conditioning compressor operation,
• in cult rituals,
• by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members' families (although surprisingly, many members recently have contacted DHMO.org to vehemently deny such use),
• by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches,
• by pedophiles and pornographers (for uses we'd rather not say here),
• by the clientele at a number of homosexual bath houses in New York City and San Francisco,
• historically, in Hitler's death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran,
• in World War II prison camps in Japan, and in prisons in China, for various forms of torture,
• by the Serbian military as authorized by Slobodan Milosevic in their ethnic cleansing campaign,
• by many terrorist organizations,
• in community swimming pools to maintain chemical balance,
• by software engineers, including those producing DICOM software SDKs,
• in animal research laboratories, and
• in pesticide production and distribution.
What you may find surprising are some of the products and places where DHMO is used, but which for one reason or another, are not normally made part of public presentations on the dangers to the lives of our family members and friends. Among these startling uses are:
• as an additive to food products, including jarred baby food and baby formula, and even in many soups, carbonated beverages and supposedly "all-natural" fruit juices
• in cough medicines and other liquid pharmaceuticals,
• in spray-on oven cleaners,
• in shampoos, shaving creams, deodorants and numerous other bathroom products,
• in bathtub bubble products marketed to children,
• as a preservative in grocery store fresh produce sections,
• in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors,
• in the coffee available at major coffee houses in the US and abroad,
• in Formula One race cars, although its use is regulated by the Formula One Racing Commission, and
• as a target of ongoing NASA planetary and stellar research.
One of the most surprising facts recently revealed about Dihydrogen Monoxide contamination is in its use as a food and produce "decontaminant." Studies have shown that even after careful washing, food and produce that has been contaminated by DHMO remains tainted by DHMO.
Environmental Impact of Dihydrogen Monoxide
Due in part to its widespread use in industry, Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is involved in many environmental incidents each year. While most are unavoidable given current technology, there can be little doubt that the presence of DHMO in each significantly increases the negative impact to the environment.
Among the many commonly-sited DHMO-related environmental impacts are:
• DHMO contributes to global warming and the "Greenhouse Effect", and is one of the so-called "greenhouse gasses."
• DHMO is an "enabling component" of acid rain -- in the absence of sufficient quantities of DHMO, acid rain is not a problem.
• DHMO is a causative agent in most instances of soil erosion -- sufficiently high levels of DHMO exacerbate the negative effects of soil erosion.
• DHMO is present in nearly every creek, stream, pond, river, lake and reservoir in the U.S. and around the world.
• Measurable levels of DHMO have been verified in ice samples taken from both the Arctic and Antarctic ice caps.
• Recent massive DHMO exposures have lead to the loss of life and destruction of property in California, the Mid-West, the Philippines, and a number of islands in the Caribbean, to name just a few.
If you want to see how this small town's keep everything out approach has effected the county. I would be more then happy to meet with you to discuss our negative population growth or the dangers of Dihydrogen monoxide while enjoying a nice meal at the Cracker Barrel at exit 22!
Now that I think about it, we should be thanking the company for taking Dihydrogen monoxide off our hands.
Please help me stop Global Warming.
Albert Gore
Please don't mention Mr. Barrett's nads.
Al Gore..isn't he a whiner like some other people here?
Here in the south they're referred to as Barrett's fries. Kinda like rooster fries or bull fries, sort of.
Anyway, Mr. B's fries aside, when did a cracker barrel pop up on the 22? And do they serve fries? Seeing as how we haven't had a new topic in a week, 'how bout a new topic fries. it could be fish fry someone wanted or the barrett fries, makes no nevermind, so long as the topic is new.
WAB, have you gone crackers? When did we get a Cracker Barrel at exit 22?
I live near Exit 22 and unless the Cracker Barrel is hidden off in the bushes, the nearest one is across from Stan's restaurant at the Columbia exit. The only restaurants at Exit 22 are McDonald's, Subway and the Tennessean.
If in you read Mr Barret's originil message again he said that cracker barrel place was at exit 22 not exit 22. He said tha Mr Gore what he was goin to met had turned tha numbers all bakards. Looks lik to me you ought to be more woried bout them cimicals tha Mr Gore was a talkin bout bein in tha water. I seen his movin pitcher an he shor no's a lot bout things. I wuz wonderin if Mr Barret wuz tryin ta be smart as Mr Gore or if it was tha diferant way round.
The two men are a lot alike..constantly whining and spewing venom.
well, I sorta see you both as modern-day Johnny Appleseeds. However, what you sow is venom and not fruit seed.
To WAB,
That would be great! Then he/she could whine under the rock and we wouldn't have to read the word "whine/whiners constantly!!!
If you would stop whining and spewing, there would be no need for people like me to point that out. After all, wouldn't that be fair? You talk about name-calling. Mr. Barrett, you are an expert in that department. Should I list examples of the names you have called those who take issue with you?
pinhead
anal buffoon
coward
chairborne charlie
prejudiced
liar
etc.
Those are all I can think of right now. But you get the drift, don't you?
You wrote the book on having NO class. Just look at how you treat people. And you say I have no class? Pray for me at church tomorrow, ok?
I've known Mr Barrett a long time almost since he first came here and I've never known or heard of him treating people anyway but better than they treated him.
He's got a quike wit and says some things in fun that sometimes people don't get right away. He is kind and generous and very honest. In fact he is one ofthe finest people I ever knew.
I do not not you personally. I do how ever think or better yet I know I like you. You go!
GB
This blog needs a jolt of energy. It is getting very boring.
Why have a new topic... no one seems to stick to it anyhow.
START DELETING ANY COMMENTS THAT DO NOT HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT. THIS ARRAY OF CHARACTER ASSASINATIONS SERVES NO USEFUL PURPOSE!
To all the good citizen of Giles County,
I am greatly humbled by your view of me, since my first post I have been off spreading the news of Global Warming and the self-inflicted genocide of the human race.
I may not always agree with WAB, however as I stated earlier he does always seem to post his name, which is more then a lot of us can say. You have to respect that, even if you don’t respect what he is saying.
It is true, there is not a Cracker Barrel at Exit 22 or Exit 22 for those of you with Dyslexia, the keen eye and sharp thinking of the Giles County citizen is equal or surpassing that of the Former Vice President of the United States of America. Therefore, I used my political pull to find out why I ALBERT GORE, could not enjoy Uncle Herschel’s Favorite® which include Two Eggs cooked to order with Grits, Sawmill Gravy, Homemade Buttermilk Biscuits, real Butter and the best Preserves, Jam n’ Apple Butter (on request). Plus Fried Apples or Hashbrown Casserole and my choice of either Hickory Smoked Country Ham, Grilled Pork Chop, 8 oz. Hamburger Steak, Farm-Raised Catfish Fillet, Sugar Cured Ham, OR Fried Chicken Tenderloin in my favorite Tennessee county. It took hours of digging for my federally provided aids to uncover my view of the situation, however it seems that Cracker Barrel originally intended to be located at your Exit 22. Cracker Barrel required that public utilities be ran to the location. The people of Giles County and some commissioners did not feel that spending the money to run these utilities would be in the counties best interest, a power struggle ensued, and it is said eventually won by the ACB (Anit-Cracker Barrel) party. Cracker Barrel, like other corporations, does not have time to worry about such small matters and moved to Exit 46 taking all of these out of state and out of county tax dollars with it, not to mention Waffle House and its revenue or that of any future establishment. BUT, you the proud noble people of Giles County know what is best and when the Flesh Eating Nuclear Zombie attack, you shall have your Dihydrogen monoxide but not taste buttermilk biscuits.
Life would have been better if I was President.
Albert Gore
Due to the former blog being threatened with Legal Action the poster does not wished to be confused with the Real and Publicly involved “Al Gore”. The thoughts and view of the fore mentioned Albert Gore does not reflex the views or ideals of the real Al Gore, former President of the United States of America. The Poster is simply trying to find a creative way to voice his/her view without posting his/her real name and using the ever-popular Anonymous.
It sounds like Albert Gore is trying to pull an "ingenious trick" like Kendrick so "brilliantly" pulled one over on us with the "Gotcha: A lesson for the Lumpsters". Reckon the two of them are the same person? At any rate, they are both lacking in what's called a life!
true
We "lumpsters" know who is behind the whining.
To my Anonymous following,
Whatever do you speak? I have not read the “Lumpsters” post and am particularly wounded that I would be compared to Kendrick, I was under the impression that many more swear words and post would be required before I could share such an illustrious position.
To question my life while you, yourself post on the blog is how would you say… A pot calling the kettle black? Or, are you questioning the Cracker Barrel wanting to be located at Exit 22? Or, is it my up beat, attempting to be entertaining, while providing an informed point that has you troubled? Please let me know so I can try to clear things up or write in a manner that you fill is appropriate for a board of Anonymous posts.
If you are so sure that I lack a life, then that could be a fair statement. To have a lack of life, is to be dead…yet I still function and am aware of my surrounding, which means I am not dead…so to have a lack life and still exist only leaves one plausible answer…I am becoming one of the Flesh Eating Nuclear Zombies that will herald man’s self imposed annihilation.
I knew that Dihydrogen monoxide would get me…I just never realized how quickly it would act…….ach…aieee (falls to the floor in a very dramatic and Vice President fashion)
UnLife would have been better if I was President.
Flesh Eating Nuclear Zombie Albert Gore
Due to the former blog being threatened with Legal Action the poster does not wished to be confused with the Real and Publicly involved “Al Gore”. The thoughts and view of the fore mentioned Albert Gore does not reflex the views or ideals of the real Al Gore, former President of the United States of America. The Poster is simply trying to find a creative way to voice his/her view without posting his/her real name and using the ever-popular Anonymous.
I think egore has finally lost his mind!
Whats the difference between a lumpster & a dumbster"
The difference between a "lumpster" and a "dumbster" is simplt that one is a "lump" while the other is "dumb". The question is if you don't know the difference how can I trust you to get breakfast for us.
This is supposed to be about the Spring Deal---Good or Bad? Read today's newspaper A4 Tennessee Rambling by David Bowman article called " 'Til the Well Runs Dry" and get a wakeup call. Water IS going to be on up there with oil. Companies in Europe are buying up water resources in the U.S. AND OUR COMMISSIONERS WANT TO GIVE IT AWAY!!!!!!!!
To anonymous September 29,2006 1:09:33PM
Let me state, the commissioners are not “giving it away”
The company is requesting to withdraw an average of 200,000 gallons daily from a spring w/ and average flow of 2,160,000 gallons daily, which is less then 09% of the total flow.
The amount of water removed from the spring will not adversely affect any actives downstream from the spring. This includes all agricultural, residential, recreational, well, Richland Creek or the City of Pulaski’s water intake.
During extreme droughts, conditions Ice River Spring WILL suspend operations as per letter of intent.
The lease, Ice River Springs initial investment in Giles County is over $22,000,000. Some leases of this kind are 99 years in length. Ice River Springs wanted to protect their investment and was concerned that if a term of 25 years was entered into their initial investment would not have been recovered and a political decision could hurt them. (Wonder why they think that?)
If you say that the commissioners are “giving it away” then you are correct IF you only look at being charged DIRECTLY per Gallon.
The company is estimated to do the following:
100 new jobs
100 additional indirect jobs
$30,000 average salary
$3,000,000 Direct income
$6,000,000 Indirect income
$643,000 New Sales Taxes
$415,374 New Annual State Sales Tax
$117, 135 New Annual Local Sales Taxes
$22,000,000 in investments
$80,000 cash to Giles County for purchase of land at spring
99,000 sq ft. facility in Industrial Park South (which Brindley will probably get the construct, More money comes to Giles County)
30 Acres purchased in Industrial Park South
Now lets look at things in a more broader scope.
The project will open up the rear of the Industrial Park South and make available State Grants for sewer extensions and road development that the city and county would have to pay for otherwise.
Giles County has an unemployed rate of 8.7 and with the current situation in some of the local industries this number may increase.
Not only will 100 new jobs reduce the unemployment rate but also by expanding the Industrial Park South it will make Giles County more interesting to other industries.
Another piece of information you may want to think about is that the Per Capita Income for Giles Co. (1999) was $17,543 and the Median Household Income (2003) was $34,978. The link below is from the Government Census page and shows where I got the numbers.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/47/47055.html
If you notice that the average expected salary at Ice River Spring is $30,000 which is $12,457 (72%) higher then our per capita income of $17,543 not only are you producing more jobs but you would also be increasing the standard of living within the county.
I know that many people have wanted a price per gallon for the water. If you do the following
$3,000,000 per year (direct income)
$6,000,000 per year (indirect income)
$ 117,135 per year (local tax) before addition in Industrial Park South
$9,117,135 TOTAL per year additional income to county.
Now if the company take 200k gallons of water a day for 365 days a year, that is a total of 73M gallon of water a year.
Take new revenue divided by gallons of water used:
($9,117,135 / 73,000,000) = $0.1249 per gallon.
So by looking at all the facts, Ice River Springs will be paying Giles County $0.1249 per gallon. To me this is a lot better then the $0.01 per gallon I keep hearing people talk about.
So the company will be paying $0.1249 a gallon for a resource that currently generates $0.00 a year which employing 0 people.
Yes, I have read ‘Til the Well Runs Dry”. I do not see a difference between oil, water, or trees because all are “natural resources” So, if you feel that water should belong to everyone I assume that if you struck “black gold” in your back yard you would give it away because it is a natural resource which you do not feel you own?
All articles in a paper are someone’s view, not all of us get to call ourselves journalist.
Also, I have been raised that when you are willing to say something, you are to sing your name.
Thank you,
Jim Greene, P.E.
Mr Greene - are you a member of the Industrial Development Board? If not, where did you obtain your information on Ice Springs, etc?
WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE SPRING WATER NOW? WE ARE "GIVING IT AWAY" TO THE STATE OF ALABAMA AND ARE NOT RECEIVING ANYTHING IN RETURN. WAKE UP, THE OPPOSITION IS EITHER NOT INFORMED OR HAS A PERSONAL AGENDA!!
A lot of Gilea Countian are drinking it everyday. .
There is a petition to ax the spring deal going around in Campbellsville and you will never believe who’s name is on it…none other than La’ Vanzant. I would love to hear the lies she told as to why she voted on it.
Anyone know?
From what I hear the petition has already been sent to Ice River.
Vanzant voted for this sale at the EDB meeting and again at the Property Committee meeting. Yes, its true she is now siding with the families from Campbellsville. With her past and most recent behavior don't we have a case of"ouster from office"?
Would someone please explain who sponsored the petition and why did Vanzant sign it?
Why are the families so apposed to the spring deal and how many signatures did they get? I can’t believe Mrs. Vanzant doesn’t have the backbone to stand by her vote. What is wrong with her?
There is water trouble in Pulaski-How many couldnt take a bath or shower this morning or last night-I got to-I have spring water with a well-thank goodness
Anonymous of Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:17:16 PM What has today’s water problem got to do with the spring in Campbellsville?
would someone please tell why the families are opposed to the spring deal.
As stated on WRSK 10/04/06 Mr. Phillips says the water Tank holds 7 million gallons & on a normal day they are contain between 3 & 4 millions. Had they been kept full there would not have been a problem. Is there not a way to cut off the water coming from the tanks when there is a bad leak? Are there not any valves in line to isolate break when they occure? Also he stated that it was a 10 inch line Tuesday it was a 6 inch line. What was it or does anyone know?
What difference does it make about the size of the line? Maybe they are saving the tanks and pumps for a rainy day.
Just my thought, but maybe they don't keep the tank full (7 MG) because they don't typically need 7 MG of water stored at one time. Water tanks need to cycle the water that is stored in them and if you have too much water, then you end up with the same water sitting in the tank for a long period of time. This time period effects the disinfection of the water, and if the water is not used for too long of a time, then you can have disinfection issues with that water.
I'm not sure if this is the reason only 3-4 MG is stored instead of the 7 MG stated as the capacity of the tank. But it may be the reason.
Also, there are valves that can isolate segments of line. But depending on the location of the leak within the system, you may isolate the whole system by shutting off one of these valves. And I'm sure they did shut off a valve on this line to repair it, but once it is closed, no more water gets to any of the system further downstream. Thus, the tanks that are downstream cannot fill and people are still using the water that is in the tanks until they are empty. I have a feeling this is what happened.
I do think the water department did a great job getting this size leak fixed in such a short time and no one being out of water for any longer than they were.
Would someone please tell why Vanzant is now opposed to the Spring deal? Why did she change from supporting the deal?
she takes sides with who ever is standing in front of her at that time & she is trying not to tick anyone off that might not vote for her again.
Mrs. V has straddled the fence so long she has got to be sore.
no, she has not straddled the fence, she has been jumping from one side to the other. she cannot tell the truth about anything.
Get over it...Mrs. Vanzant won the election....why don't you stop whining and try to be supportive of positive things that occur in our beautiful county? Get over it, please!
There are a lot of people in Campbellsville who are against the spring and letting everyone know. To these people please only complain to your own commissioners in your district. We are getting tired of hearing it.
Friday, October 06, 2006 7:31:40 PM, I don’t give a rat’s a$# who won the election that doesn’t have anything to do with what is being discussed! It is her flip flopping on issues!
oh, but you do care about the outcome of the election. That's why you are so angry. Just calm down now and try to move on with your life. OK?
To Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:41:19 AM,
I VOTED FOR JANET, SO STOP TRYING TO MAKE THIS AN ELECTION ISSUE
& STOP TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH!!
Like I said, “It is her flip flopping on issues, such as, her voting twice on the spring deal & them turn around and sign a petition to stop what she voted on TWICE!
It is people like you that make me angry because you get so defensive every time an issue is discussed and think it is about the election results. Would you explain why Janet chose to change her mind and I will be less angry perhaps.
People like you are not helping her at all because I probably won’t vote for her next term.
I would appreciate the residents in Campbellsville that are apposed to the spring deal, to stop calling other commissioners not in your district.
WHY ARE THEY APPOSED TO THE SPRING DEAL????
To Anonymous Oct. 6, 9:37:47pm & fifthdistrictresident Oct 7 12:10:43pm----Why is it OK for a commissioner to consult with and discuss with the other 20 commissioners (from different districts than he is in) but it is NOT ok for a citizen to talk with anyone other than the 3 commissioners from his district? It is common for a commissioner sponsoring a resolution to talk with other commissioners to get input, ideas and, yes, votes. If the people feel strongly about an issue they should also be able to speak with all 21 commissioners so those commissioners can hear all sides of the issue.
As you know I live in the fifth district and I am for the Spring Deal going through. I am just voicing my opinion like the people in Campbellsville are doing. That's all! If the shoe were on the other foot, how would you handle it?
Looks like I need to get on the phone to all the commissioners & tell them I am for the Spring Deal
To the last 2 comments----NOW you're getting it!! ALL commissioners should hear ALL sides of an issue.
I am strongly against this spring deal as it was presented to the commission. I feel there has not been adequate research done (or if it has, it has not been presented to the commission or the public) for a vote to have been taken in the first place. If you have not gotten a copy of the Letter of Intent which Mayor Speer presented to the commissioners please go to Carol Wade's office in GC Courthouse & request one. There is NO mention of IRS intent to get water to any home in GC and IRS is a "fully automated" company (look at their website) so I doubt there will be as many jobs available for anyone as has been stated.
GC officials have known since the spring was bought that it would have to be developed to be used by all parts of GC. They knew it was on the Duck River Utility District; there are still many areas where no water pipes are laid. GC has not made ANY effort to begin to use this spring until now; and the only idea they have is to sell it.
What if GC got busy & found developmental grants or sold revenue bonds or God forbid, raised taxes, to develop its own spring? What if they used our own people ( who have strong minds and bodies, but no jobs)to build the plant and lay pipes and whatever else must be done to REALLY put water in homes?
Our Industrial Development Board intends to lease this spring for 50 yrs. Have any of you searched the web about the cities where these companies are coming in & buying up water rights; they are places where jobs are few and the ecomony low; the companies are convincing the government that they will supply jobs & money. After the people have checked the companies out and after studying drought conditions, population growth, as well as the detrimental environmental impact these companies can cause, they have decided to fight for their water.
Have any of you searched the web also about the drought conditions, not only in TN or the US but many other countries. If it doesn't rain, we lose valuable water. The water in an underground aquifer cannot be replenished, so if it is drained there will be no more water in that aquifer. If IRS plans to only use half of the water the spring puts out daily, why can't we forget IRS and GC supply its people with water for many more years to come. If we allow IRS to drain that aquifer, one of our major sources of water for GC could be gone forever.
In response to the remark about citizens calling all the commissioners, I will call whomever I want! And you should too! GC Commissioners make decisions that affect all parts of GC, not just the district they represent.
To AJ Dickey, Thank you, Thank you!
Finally, after begging & requesting reasons the residents are apposed, you finally gave us something to think about. I supposed we should never take someone at his or her word & do our own research. No, I have not read anything about the spring except what has been written in the paper & I must say I thought it sounded pretty good.
I thought it sounded good also until the newspaper reported that IRS had changed their proposal. You can go to WKSR.com & read past articles from about June and see the progression of this issue. I appreciate you comments. Please tell everyone you know so they can educate their commissioners. For those of you who are against the spring issue, it will take 11 commissioners who will committ to voting against the IRS deal to have a meeting called to rescind it.Please notify all commissioners as only 8 have committed.
To ajdickey,
I missed the article about IRS changing their proposal but I will read everything on WKSR.com and catch up. As for as educating the commissioners, they read this blog and you would be surprised how many people log on and never post.
Do you know why Mrs. Vanzant voted for the deal and then signed the petition to stop it and has anyone one else on the EDB changed their minds?
Thank you for the info.
See WKSR.com;Aug. 15,2006. "Canadian Co. Changes Spring Property Proposal".
No I cannot answer your questions concerning Mrs. Vanzant & frankly I do not care "why". My concern is to get this issue rescinded and more study done.
It might be the best thing since sliced bread but I don't think so.
If this is such a good decision and IRS is sincere, then why the rush????
Mr. Dickey,
The “rush” is for one simple reason. A company exists to make money. I know that will upset many people but it is a fact. The old saying “Time is money” is very true in today's world.
Giles County is not the only place in North America that has a spring, so the company can easily go somewhere else. So, please keep that in mind, when people want to "rush" it.
What a lot of people don’t understand is that it may take months before a “deal” comes before the commissioners, with companies measuring profit in quarters (ever 3 months), a couple months is a VERY big deal.
As for people only calling Commissioners in their own district, I believe that a Commissioner is suppose to represent the people of his/her district. If that is not the case, why have districts at all?
Yes it is your God given American right to call whoever you wish. I only hope that the commissioners remember to adequately represent THEIR DISTRICT. Not the social outcry caused by a couple hundred people in a county of 29,000.
Thank you,
Millar Fillmore
Thanks Mr. Barrett and Milar Filmore,
I stayed up late last night reading every thing I could about IRS and the spring and from what I read and my understanding, I have to disagree with ajddicky. So, to Mr. Pollard and Mrs. Connie Howell, I still support the deal going forward as planned
In 1996, CE Giles Collier had an engineering firm, Hart, Freeland & Roberts, do a study on developing the spring. Their response was that there was not an economically practical way to do this based on available funding and government grants for the population that it would serve.
I am a Third District resident and am very aware of the water problems in our area. It is not uncommon for us to have to haul water. Personaly I think Ice River is a good solution to the water problem in our area.
To Beets, Adams & Risner,
You are my commissioners and I am for the deal going though.
i live in the fifth district & I support the spring deal.
District one here and I support the spring deal.
I am an Ardmore resident and I want the deal done.
Beets, Adams and Risner do not want to represent the people in their district. All they care about are their own selfish wants.
Third District voters need to find a canadite for the next election that is from a different area of the district.
I think you will find that it is Mrs.Dickey.
Mrs.Dickey you need to read the post of anonymous Oct. 9, 2006 1;16.06 p.M.
Thanks MR. Barrett for pointing out that the changes in the Spring Property Proposal was an improvement for the county.
To the residents in the Campbellsville area that support the spring deal. Get active and obtain more signatures than the apposition did and Mrs. Vanzant will change her mind and support you. The commissioners in your area will follow suit because they will vote anyway she wants and she will vote anyway they want.
You can put an end to this with a little work!!!
Mr. Barrett & Mrs. Dickey were both correct about aquifers. Shallow aquifers are replenishable by rainfall, snowmelt and surface water. Fossil aquifers are generally considered non-renewable due to the length of time it takes to refill them. A fossil aquifer that has been depleted may not be renewed for generations.
Third District and of the people I have talked to more are for than against the spring deal. Sure wish our commissioners would get out and see what their people want.THE ONLY TIME WE SEE THEM IS AT ELECTION TIME.
To Third District,
There has to be more capable people to serve as commissioner in you area.
MR. Pollard and Mrs. Howell PLEASE GIVE THE SPRING DEAL YOUR FULL SUPPORT.
Everyone should read the post of anonymous Oct. 9, 2006 1;16;06 p.M.
Adams, Beets and Risner would you try to represent the whole third district not just Mark Dunavant and Campsville. Beets I suppose Dunavant tells you when you when you need to go to the bathroom.
We need Charles Morris back. He held meetings ever so often to see what the people is his district wanted. If such meetings are held now they are in campbellsville and not many people know about it.
If you are for the spring deal you need to boycott the Campbellsville store where they are getting people to sign their petition. The petition has many signatures in the same handwritting and Summertowm signatures.
The Campbellsville’s store needs to be called the Giles County Courthouse! There are more meetings and deals made there than in the real Courthouse, just take a look at the past election, especially the county executive’s race. The blame game is a specialty of theirs.
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Yeah, people would be surprised what that bunch of good ole boys does about politics in Giles County. They strategize and stretch the truth to fit their wants and some of them are willing to outright lie to get their candidate in office. So I am not surprised they have the petition and what they are doing to collect the signatures. I know all of them.
Mrs. Flacy please represent the people as well as you did when first elected.Please support the Spring Deal.
Don’t hold your breath waiting on Mrs. Flacy to represent the people like she use to, it won’t happen. Go back and take a look at the votes in Ardmore and you will understand where she stands and just how she will vote.
In past years, she did vote for what was best for her district but that doesn’t happen now because she is in that clique and she is more intelligent to be letting them influence her votes. The clique grew with the last election.
Regarding post Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:25:59 AM,
Mrs. Flacy is not part of any "clique". I know her personally and you obviously do not. She votes for what is best for her district as well as for the County itself. You are correct she is and intelligent woman. Explain to me how you arrive at your determination that she is part of a "clique"? There are only two options when voting, Yes or NO. Either way a person votes, they will be voting the same as someone else. Unless, you are the lone yes or no vote. In that case, that would contradict what you are trying to say here. If you are the lone vote you can't be voting with any "clique". Please post a valid argument.
Mrs. Flacy is an intelligent woman but she has gotten herself into a precarious situation by aligning herself with that group of collogues that scratch each others backs and some are just plain uneducated. She knows better and I am dismayed that she continues to be a part of group.
To Concerned Giles County Taxpayer, Do you attend the commission meetings? Would you please explain how you arrived at your determination? Knowing her personally does not necessarily know how she votes! One thing you can bet your boots on is this, if the County Executive, Stoney Jackson, Chan Harris, Connie Howell and Billy Beets are in favor of something, Mrs. Flacy will vote right along with them. Now, you can call it whatever you want, but I call it a clique! Check the records!
Regarding Tuesday, October 17, 2006 12:55:49 PM,
What group are you suggesting she aligns herself with?? And again, how do you arrive at this determination?? Very plain, easy questions to understand and you should be able to answer. Mrs. Flacy aligns herself with no one. She makes her decisions on her own and uninfluenced by others because they need their back scratched or she needs hers scratched. She gathers the facts and casts HER vote based on what SHE feels is right and no one else. If you say she is aligning herself based strictly on the fact that her vote is the same as someone else's then that is absurd! You mean to tell me that because some commissioners vote the same they are in alliance?? You need to do better than that to convince those of us who read this blog that she has an alliance with anyone. I will be waiting for your response detailing why you believe this, other than she votes like other commissioners.
If you think Mrs. Flacy isn’t aligned with a group, you are delusional!
Since you know mrs. flacy so well, how does she stand on the spring deal?
To Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:38:18 PM
To answer your 1st question yes, I have attended numerous county commission meetings. Isn't that what a county commissioner usually does? NO, I am not one of the previous commissioners that you mentioned in your latest post. I am afraid you need to check the records again before you go off half-cocked spouting untruths about someone. I am more than sure that if you take the past voting records in meetings any person with the slightest of intelligence would be able to see that you can assume commissioners who vote the same have an alliance. But, you do know what they say about assuming right? However, you would be incorrect in stating that those who voted alike had an alliance. I am still waiting for an intelligent response from you. Although , I have come to the conclusion I am spinning my wheels with anticipation that you can prove me wrong. So, go ahead and believe what your feeble mind will allow. Another uninformed, uneducated citizen where local government is concerned posting their opinion with no basis of credibility whatsoever. And by the way, did I mention I USE to be a commissioner before this last election? I chose not to run because of simple minded people like you who are critical of everything anyone elected does. In the future don't assume so much!
Tuesday, October 17, 2006 3:43:37 PM
I know how she feels, but why don't you call and ask her if you want to know.
Just wondering, why can't Mrs. Flacy speak for herself?
I hope MRS. Flacy is not always siding with our CE just because she is a woman.
Tuesday, October 17, 2006 4:23:34 PM
Why would you think that she can't speak for herself?
I know Mrs. Flacy personally. She is a very intelligent person. Her votes are based on what is best for the entire county not just her district. If there was a clique she is not a part of it. She is just a very smart person with common sense. That something I can't say for some of the others that are so self centered they can't see the forest for the trees.
To Anonymous of Oct.9;1:16:06p...
I cannot verify the information you speak of. Can you help?
ajdickey
To Anonymous Oct. 17, 2:38:
Agree with you about the clique of CE, Mrs. Flacy, Connie Howell & Billy Beets, but don't believe Chan Harris & Stoney Jackson should be included in that group.
Oct. 17, 2:38 called it what you want to but there is one thing that she doesn't do. That's let Dan Speer tell her what to do.
Concerned Giles County Tax Payer said...
Allen Barrett may seem like a "know it all" to most people but, he does know a lot more than most know and certainly takes an interest in being informed which is more than I can say for most of the people in this county. He is armed with knowledge and that intimidates people. I don't always agree with Mr. Barrett's actions all the time but, I do believe he has the best intentions at heart and he doesn't speak out on things of which he has no knowledge. The people of Giles County should thank him for speaking out when he does because when he speaks out on issues that people agree with he is doing it for the betterment of Giles County and that helps us all. As I see it, we need good leadership and someone who isn't afraid to rattle some cages around here. As far as your comment on him not being able to achieve all he says he wants to when elected. I would like for soemone to name one elected official(current or former) in this county who as been able to accomplish that task. One person can't bring about change alone. People in Giles County need to get educated on many issues involving our county and most importantly the issue of how poor of a job our Director of Schools is doing.
04 May, 2006 15:28
Why didn’t you just use your own name since you are so thinly veiled? I had to do some backtracking to make sure I knew to whom I am speaking! I agree with your statement, “People in Giles County need to get educated on many issues involving our county. I also attend meetings and from my eyes, I called things the way I see them or should I have worded my statement another way, such as, Jackson, Harris, Howell and Beets votes the same as Flacy and they all five will accommodate the CE. Period!
However, Stoney Jackson may be out of favor with the CE now due to the spring deal. Mrs. Flacy is an intelligent lady, but I see her as a party of that certain clique.
Just for you I am posting the definition of clique…. “A close group of friends or coworkers with similar interests and goals, whom outsiders regard as excluding them.”
To, Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:39:21 PM I haven't mentioned Mr. Speer's name!!
I have heard that the city meetings are conducted in a very professional way. Maybe our CE and commissioners should attend a few and take lessons.
AJDICKEY; There should be a record of this at the County Executives Office. However I do not know if they will let you have it.
Mrs. Dickey if you are willing to pay the engineering firm for their time you might could get them to check their records for you. I am not sure of the month just the year. Mr. Collier might remember it.
I have heard Mr. Harris is not supporting the spring deal. I sure hope this is not true.
Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:59:41 PM
Question #1)Why didn’t you just use your own name since you are so thinly veiled? What kind of question is that?? Didn't you post anonymous?? I could also pose the question to you of why you don't reveal yourself here? However, who I am is not the matter at hand here and who you are makes no difference to me.
Again, you are assuming and based upon the information you are using to come to this determination it is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You continue to assume and be in the dark like most people in this county are. Why don't you run for office in the next election? Then, you will have a vote and someone can criticize you for what they think to be the facts. See how you like being attacked. No, you don't want to be held accountable like your peers in office and that is why you don't run for an elected seat. It takes courage,determination and committment to run for election and hold office. You get put under a microscope, judged and criticized for every move you make. It is easy for you and others like you to sit back and be so critical of ALL COMMISSIONERS. You suffer no reprecussions for your statements or opinions because all the people on this blog do not know who you are. I must admit being anonymous on here makes it very easy to speak out on issues without suffering backlash and to a certain extent that is a good thing. But, let's have a little respect for people in what we say, because as I have stated your statements on this issue are only an assumption.
Concerned Giles County Taxpayer,
No, I am not assuming and the way I witness the happenings within the commission meetings is just as I stated. You asked, “Why don’t you run for office in the next election? I would not run for office because I would be treated as Mr. Barrett has been treated and I would not go along with secret meetings, put up with a CE that lives in another county, continue to ignore the untruthful statements she makes or be a part of her clique. Did you really do anything positive to stop these things I have pointed out to you while you were in office?
I can see you have some personal issues with the way you were criticized, but that is not my problem because I have never criticized you. Sorry, I am not and never have been critical of “all” the commissioners, as you have suggested. You knew when you ran for office what you would be facing, so, if you knew you couldn’t handle the scrutiny of an elected official, then you shouldn’t thrown yourself in the ring. How in the world do you get the idea that people like me don’t suffer repercussions? The main item would be paying high taxes, how about that for repercussions? You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.
I have no personal grudge with Mrs. Flacy and as I have stated, she is a very intelligent woman and that, in my opinion, she votes with a certain CE clique. You can’t deny there is a clique within the commissioners!! I have even heard some of the them say to their fellow commissioners, “Don’t worry, I have Mrs. Flacy in the bag.” That is not assumption.
Oct. 17, 9:39 PM
I never said you memtioned Speers name. I know that he tells some of the commissioners how to vote & if you know Mrs. Flacy you know she is not one of them. He has wanted to run the county for a long. He even made the statement. "I have finally got some commissioners that I can work with.
To Wednesday, October 18, 2006 12:09:42 PM, Could you please reveal the names of the commissioners that vote Mr. Speer’s way and when did he make the statement, “I have finally got some commissioners that I can work with” was it after this past election or in the past?
It was the 2001 election. the commissioners were from the 2, 6, & 7th districts.
I can’t see anything wrong with what you are claiming the mayor said. Knowing the commissioners you name are educated, business minded and have a genuine caring for our county and city, I can understand Mr. Speer being happy to finally get some commissioners to work with. In my opinion, the county and city people should work together. What is your problem with the statement?
Maybe when/if he said, “I have finally got some commissioners that I can work with”.
He meant that he finally has a group of people that think for themselves and might not vote against something just because Dan Speers is for it.
This is just another way to look at a sentence taken out of context.
AG
I am glad to see someone else agrees with me on this. The statement seemed personal to me.
Maybe you are the one taking the statement out of context. Yes they need to work together, but he wants everything HIS way not what is best for everyone.
To Anonymous of Oct. 19,2006 10;36;26 I sure wish 3rd. District had some better educated commissioners.
The ones that were elected in 2001 chose not to run again. Does that tell you something.
It was nice of Mrs. Rosemary Martin to send her list of signatures to Ice River. Now when they need employees or concrete they know who is against them.
Are you saying a list of names in support of the deal has been mailed?
No a list opposed.
anonymous Oct.17, 9;39 our commissioners are not supposed to let anyone tell them how to vote. They are supposed to represent the people. Can you honestly say Vanzant does not tell Flacy how to vote? We would have a better county government if city and county could work together in harmony. Speer is also a county resident and he works hard to try to improve things. Some are against anything Speer is for,even if it moved our county ahead twenty years.
Harmony from Vanzant? She is not capable.
Perhaps harmony could be better promoted if some of you critics would stop and try being team players. Just a thought.
The spring is not being given away for 50 years. Ice River is not getting ten percent of the water. The county could still get water if need be, so why all the fuss?
Did anyone read the letter in the paper by Anne Dickey? I did. I am a farmer in Lynnville. I think the chance of us getting good clean water is wonderful. I am not sure why she is against it. I have spoke with her husband Larry (he runs the Co-op in Lynnville) many times and the way I understand it they live on a farm that supplies them water. Therefore, I do not see how it affects the Dickey's. We farmers support her husbands job in Lynnville and I feel people who will not be affected by the spring should support people in Lynnville who could possibly benefit. Maybe we farmers should go explain it to Larry so that he can relay it to his wife.
It seems like the spring deal is a have your cake and eat it too deal. The bottling company would not be using the whole spring if the county needed it. It has been sitting there for 20 years not any benefit to anyone. Just flowing on down to Alabama.
I agree with both above statements. The Dickey lady and her husband should not care that others could benefit if they (dickey's) do not use the spring for water. The Lynnville community and everyone else would be able to use the water. Why just let it continue to flow to Alabama? Then no one gets use of it.
It seems you read my letter but did you really try to understand my point. I think EVERYONE should have water... but how do you think IRS is going to make that happen? Why can't WE use our water from that spring for you in Lynnville & us in Campbellsville & those in Minor Hill who don't have any. WE DON'T NEED IRS TO DO THAT!!!!
Our farm is blessed to have water but I know many don't and others whose wells have gone dry. I've hauled water when pipes have broken for my family & cattle, just like many of you. Do you think city people understand about hauling water?
If I didn't give a care about you having plentiful water in the future, I would not speak up.
My children & grandchildren & yours will suffer the consequences later when water supplies dwindle.
Mrs. Dickey I have children and grandchildren and great grand children and I feel no threat by the spring deal. As things are now we have problems please get more facts before you fight it so.
No ones kids or grandkids are going to suffer. As a person stated earlier, it is running to Al now and they are not using the whole spring. Anne has water so stay out of it and let the ones who do not have a chance. Anne seems closed minded. Open up to the future lady.
If it takes the IRS coming in to get us water as Anne wrote earlier then let it be. The county now has motivation. Be happy. Keep hauling your water but I want mine from the county.
Ms. Dickey I feel you do not have your facts straight. Progress hurts no one. Thank goodness we do not all think as you and your husband do. Maybe you should consider getting out of the sticks for a while. You might like water out of the faucet. Your husband needs to support Lynnville being that is where he works and receives a pay check. I know the commissioners in Lynnville have already stated to your their beliefs.
Mrs. Dickey are you not afraid your being so vocal will hurt your sons concrete business?
I truly hope you are all right. What FACTS do you have now?
Ms. Dickey is not worried about how her son will feed or support his family all she is worried about is water.
I am from Lynnville and have been doing business with Larry for years but I will seriously reconsider that now. My opinion of him and his loud wife are very different at this point.
I stand by the commissioners in Lynnville and Minor Hill and we all say COME ON IRS!!!
Anonymous,
Why don't you come to me in person & talk. I'll discuss anything you want.
Maybe someone should talk to the water company here in Pulaski and have them to shut the water off at the Lynnville Co-op and Brooks Auto Repair and let the Dickey's haul it in.
Which anonymous are you speaking to Ms. Dickey? There seem to be plenty of us? But we do have one thing in common...We think you are full of crap.
It seems none of you anonymous people can share any FACTS you have concerning IRS & the spring.
Mrs. Dickey you seem to think the county needs ALL the spring. How do you propose for them to get the money for a filtration plant? Do you have any figures on this cost to back up your thoughts.
The facts have never changed as might wish they would. It is a good thing and is needed for all the reasons that the commissioners have told you plus the letter of intent. You just choose to fuss. You have water as you typed before. So let it rest. It is going to be a done deal. I nor anyone else needs to make up new facts for you because the original facts still stand. You have no facts other than your scared we will run out of water.
I think the county WILL need ALL the spring in the future; but we need to use now the amount we need.
I don't have figures; but if the county wanted to utilize the spring, they would find the money. It always turns up somehow for other things.
Thank you for your relavent question.
There is no need to keep posting the letter of intent or the commissioners say on this site. Ms. Dickey if you need the facts go look them up as we all did. Attend a meeting but don't come on here spouting off as you know facts if you are having to ask us for them. You can read the past 196 comments minus yours and get the facts as well.
Ms. Dickey, you do not have any facts or figures. What are you doing? Are you out to ruin your husband at the co-op or your son's business? Because your doing a good job at both.
No I believe in what I say; so I'll continue to post comments.
I never said I have the answers, but a lot of questions that everyone needs to have answered before this becomes final.
So IF you have the facts, post them. I haven't seen any FACTS here yet.(Heresay & projections, maybe)
Here's a fact...You have water on your land. You are not going to be affected.
What question do you want answered, Anne? Haven't all the commissioners answered your questions that you have called and called? What more can these people say to you. It is going to be final. Then what are you going to fuss about?
Mrs. Dickey why did the money not come up twenty years ago when they tried to do something with the spring? Please share with us what you know.
I want to add to this fact thing. Fact you do not live down stream of the spring so you will never be short if the rest of the county is. The water gets to you before it gets to the spring box. I use the Co-op too. I talk to your husband.
My son is in the construction field as well as your's Mrs. Dickey and I was told your son and his family was moving off that land and now I know why.
Ms. Dickey are you going to answer the question above?
We are all waiting for you to enlighten us with your knowledge. We are giving you a chance.
When the spring was purchased, it was to be used for all the county to supply water for residential use.
I want to know why it hasn't been used for this purpose too.
Call Dan Speer he will be glad to help you out. Where does it state that the water was to be used for that purpose. I have never seen that written before. Show us the proof you have of that. In the mean time be thankful that we are now close to doing so.
I'm not originallly from giles county. Was Dan Spear mayor when this stuff began
Have you ever seen anything in writing?
I can not speak for anyone else in this blog but I have researched and researched and I have never read anything stating that the intentions were to supply residentials with water. I have read that it was in poor condition and and needed repairs. Now we have a company coming in and doing the repairs. And we get water. However, if the intent was to supply residentials with water I would love to read that. I would still be for IRS. But the information would be nice if you can produce it.
I am an ole retired commissioner and I have set in on a many meetings and I have never heard such as the purpose of buying the spring was for anything other than using the water if needed and having when the county could afford to run pipes. Now with IRS coming in and the county getting half the selling price back in it's account we well be able to afford what we couldn't afford before. It is a great thing and Giles Co. is lucky. The wait has paid off thanks to IRS.
I have not been able to find any studies done on the spring in the 80s either, but it's been said that they were done.
Where are they?
Ms. they were done. You need to go back through the minutes and find out the date and follow from there. I think they put all older documents on microchips to save them. That was the talk anyway. I do know they were done. Mr. Speer is a good man and he will help you find what you need. He will not lead you down the wrong path. Have a little faith in your county.
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